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  7. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  16. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  18. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  20. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  29. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  39. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  45. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  56. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  92. Jimmy has a new video out, downplaying the risks of covid, called "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?". In it, he takes hospitalization rates per total vaccinated (0.01%)and unvaccinated (0.89%) populations and compares it to a 3.4% "death rate", that is clearly a case fatality rate (fatalities per confirmed cases) from a year and a half ago. The case fatality rate is constantly changing, is different for each country, and different for the world. He claimed he couldn't find a newer rate. Only someone who is completely inept, wouldn't be able to find the current case fatality rate. But, somehow Jimmy managed not to. Only someone who failed grade school math couldn't figure it out themselves. 800k deaths is 1.6% of 50m confirmed cases, in the US. But, somehow Jimmy, or his team, couldn't. So, he compares these two sets of numbers, that are based on totally different math, to question whether covid deaths are being "WILDLY" inflated. You know, because a 3.4% "death rate" is so much higher than 0.9% hospitalization rate. The comparable "death rate" he should be using is the population mortality rate. 800k deaths is 0.24% of 330m total population. Again, something that's easy to find the latest numbers for, or figure out yourself, but the Dore knob team couldn't manage to do. There's nothing, at all, incompatible with a 0.24% total population mortality rate and a 0.9% total population hospitalization rate. But, he's using his false equivalency to make out like covid is a lot less harmful than doctors and scientists, worldwide, have stated, and there's some giant worldwide conspiracy to inflate numbers, by over 10x.
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  96. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  101. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  113. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  122. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  126. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  127. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  154. It has been the Likud goal, for 100 years. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  191. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  207. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  209. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  221. ​ @jds614  The country needs a deprogramming, like Germany did. In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  245. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  254. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  257. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  279. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  280. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  284. His other video was called, "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?". He cites a Gallup article, which very clearly states their hospitalization rates are based on the total population, 0.01% for the total vaccinated population, and 0.89% for the total unvaccinated population. Now, you'd think that maybe the unvaccinated being hospitalized at 89x the rate of the unvaccinated might be a big deal to talk about, but no. Jimmy claims to have looked for a comparable "death rate". The only comparable death rate, to total population hospitalization rates, is the covid crude mortality rate. That number is easy to find, all you have to do is take the deaths per million rate and move the decimal 4 spaces to the left, 0.27%. It's also easy to do the math yourself. Apparently, the crack Dore knob team wasn't capable of doing either. Instead, Jimmy says he couldn't find a "death rate" from the past year and a half, so uses one from a year and a half ago. The 3.4% he uses is clearly a case fatality rate, deaths per confirmed case. Aside from not being comparable to the total population hospitalization rates, a current case fatality rate is also easy to find, and also easy to work out the math yourself. Even using the wrong rate, the crack Dore knob team was too stupid to figure out the current one. So, he takes those incomparable rates, and since 3.4% is sooooo much higher than 0.89%, he makes out like covid deaths are being "WILDLY inflated". He's either completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, or both.
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  303. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  312. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  368. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  417. ​ @poorboi8093  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  422. This event has broken Ben's mind. I'll have to ditch, if he's on reporting about it again. Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything. Ben is apparently cool with ignoring what was happening to Palestinians, and pretending everything started on Oct 7. Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through. Ben would be blaming the Jewish underground for the Warsaw ghetto uprising, instead of the Nazis.
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  457. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  482. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  496. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  542. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  558. MLK Jr did not simply criticize silence. He criticized trying to placate agitators, to silence a movement, telling them not to ruffle feathers. He criticized telling those rising up to calm down and sit down. Biden is exactly that ... "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action" ... and wants people without healthcare to sit their asses down, wants people not getting paid a living wage to sit their asses down, wants people facing racial injustice to sit their asses down, etc. Be patient. Unite behind doing nothing, or as little as possible, and be content to accept whatever you get. "I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured."
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  591. This event has broken Ben's mind. I'll have to start ditching TYT channels, if he keeps reporting on it. His mind has left reality. Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything. Ben is apparently cool with ignoring what was happening to Palestinians, and pretending everything started on Oct 7. Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through. Ben would be blaming the Jewish underground for the Warsaw ghetto uprising, instead of the Nazis. By no measure, is Israel not the aggressor ... unless you dishonestly start measuring on Oct 7.
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  606. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  610. Ok Goebbels. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  644. It all has to do with the parties switching, which has happened over time. Teddy Roosevelt was the last progressive, and somewhat worker friendly, Republican, with his Square Deal. When he saw the party was going to make a hard right, he tried coming back for a third run, but they didn't want him anymore. He then ran under his own Progressive Party. That was the major economic turning point, for Republicans. They then drove the economy into the Great Depression. Also, with Jim Crow laws in the South, and industrialization in the North (which needed more manpower), millions of black Americans began moving North. That left the Southern states even more rcst, by percentage. And, as the Democratic party became the party of workers, Northern black Americans started voting for them, and running for office as Democrats. The South was so rcst that the Republicans had to run their own rcst candidates, just to win seats. By the time of Civil Rights, the divisions on the topic were North vs South, not by party. Southern Republicans voted against, just like Southern Democrats. In 1968, fed up with the Northerners of both parties, much of the Southern rcst majority voted for a third party resegregationist, winning 5 Southern states. Nixon, already far right economically (youngest member of the House unAmerican Activities Commission, and ran a red scare campaign against his California senate opponent), then won that Southern rcst majority over to the Republican party, in 1972. Aside from giving fellow Southern boy, Jimmy Carter, one shot, that Southern rcst majority has largely been voting Republican ever since. The party was then far right and rcst. Reagan, a former FDR voting union leader, had been put on the road to crazytown during Nixon's California senate run. He then appealed to the religious xtrmsts. Plus, the NRA took its turn, away from earlier support for firearm laws, and the Republican party also started taking in the firearm fanatics. The party was then far right, rcst, religious xtrmsts, and firearm xtrmsts. All that being said ... they were still somewhat sane enough to work together, to keep the government functioning properly. Then came the Tea Party, and even more extreme Ayn Rand types. They didn't want government to function properly. They would like to end almost all government departments, aside from the justice system and the military. They won over the House Republicans. And, in the senate, McConnell did his obstructionism on key issues and the justice system. All the parts were in place for someone to capitalize on all the xtrmsts having been previously gathered into one basket.
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  670. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  681.  @Max78912  It's the most natural reaction to colonialism (a Ghandi response is quite abnormal, even though it may be the better strategy ... always make the colonialists appear to be the aggressors they are, by always being non violent yourself ... never give them a chance to fake being the victims of "savages"). And, resistance has won a number of times. When you're in it, you don't know the outcome. WWII resistance groups didn't know that Germany would eventually be defeated. They just knew that they needed to resist. Native Americans didn't know there was an endless supply of Europeans, across the ocean. The IRA military won, the IRA "terrorists" lost. The Jews of Judah rebelled against the might of the Roman Empire, with zero chance of succeeding. Not sure what Hamas expects, or if they expect anything, other than to just keep resisting. While colonialism is the foundation for Zionism, terrorism is the foundation for Israel. Groups like the Irgun and Lehi, bombed many Palestinian markets, threw dynamite into Palestinian homes, killed many civilians, including children, and even killed Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Those terrorist groups were merged into Israel's new military and intelligence agency. The leader of the Irgun, Menachem Begin, who ordered much of that terrorism, including the bombing of the King David Hotel, was elected PM of Israel. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and to overcome your adversaries. In the West Bank, Israel is using the blueprint for the colonization of North America. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives respond with violence, cry about being the poor innocent victims of the "Savages!", have the cavalry come in and out down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, it absolutely boggles the mind, that Israel is basically running an open air WWII fascist style ghetto. They're like the Puritans, who fled persecution in their homelands, only to turn around and persecute everyone else in the New World ... natives, other denominations, even hanging Quakers of all people, attacking other towns for being too hedonistic, etc. It really is absolutely disgusting, how they've become much like the thing they fled.
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  691.  @robertreese1275  The grift is to sell yourself as something you're not. He promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, for progressives. According to Jimmy, Trump being so bad, such a deranged fascist, a Trump presidency would lead to a massive progressive backlash that would "for sure" take the house (nope) and senate (nope), in 2018, and the presidency (nope), in 2020. He claimed even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda (nope), rather than follow him into fascism (they did), and Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (nope). All of his predictions were wrong so, ultimately, promoting Trump over Clinton only benefited Trump. Promoting Trump over Clinton was also promoting tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, over adding 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion. Then he promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). Then he, again ... even after all his failed predictions ... even after Trump's incompetent leadership had a hand in the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of people ... he made out like Biden (public option + Medicare expansion) was worse than Trump (still trying to toss millions of poor Americans off of Medicaid expansion). Dore promoted the worst healthcare option, each time, and then tries passing himself off as the one true champion of healthcare, because he came up with a nonsense "plan" to have a performance art vote. He also abandoned Nina Turner (M4A), and now promotes never again voting for someone running as a Democrat. Going third party likely won't even get you a single seat in congress, in the next 5 decades, let alone get some kind of healthcare bill passed, in the next century. He uses slander, not "truth". AOC never ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. She ran on what her own concept of a "ruckus" is, not Jimmy's. She backed 20 pro-M4A progressives, and helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, which actually moves you closer to ever being able to pass the bill, while a performance art vote doesn't actually do that. She has done more for M4A in 2 years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. He made out like he didn't know where she was, on M4A march day, when it was public knowledge that she was at rallies for Nina Turner, promoting M4A and trying hard to add another M4A advocate to congress. Why weren't M4A marchers promoting and supporting Nina? Why did Dore promote abandoning Nina, on his show ... abandoning adding another M4A advocate to congress? Then, there's going on far right television, largely just to agree with far right talking points. There's promoting allying with far right ancap extremists, that are trying to start a civil war. How does Dore actually benefit the left? Almost everytime he proposes actions, they're actions that seem to benefit the right ... even extreme right ... no matter that he frames it as coming from the left. You're a sucker.
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  781.  @coryddp7254  Dore promoted Trump (who ran on ACA repeal) as the better option than Clinton (who ran on lowering Medicare to 55), not caring if millions on Medicaid expansion and with preexisting conditions could lose their healthcare, not caring to get millions more on Medicare. He thought Republicans would join the left to stop the Trump agenda, rather than joining him in overt fascism. He thought Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan. During the 2020 primary he didn't back Bernie (M4A). During the general, he basically ran an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, Biden (public option + lowering Medicare to 60), again not seeming to care if Trump won, not caring if millions lost their healthcare, not caring if Trump killed thousands more with incompetent covid response, and again not backing adding millions to Medicare. He didn't know how the speaker vote actually works. He promoted that 15 progressives should "withhold" their votes (he didn't say cast protest votes). 15 abstentions + 2 unfilled seats, would lower the threshold needed to win down to 210. If the 211 Republicans voted McCarthy, he'd win. He spouted strawman bullshit, as if AOC had campaigned on paralyzing the house, or even threatening to paralyze the house, when she didn't. He also promotes going third party. The Libertarian party is almost 50 without ever having won a seat in congress. Dore doesn't give a fuck about the reality that going third party won't get anyone healthcare, and could just split progressive voting enough to hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems and let Republicans rule for decades, destroying healthcare even more. He's an asshat, and doesn't actually give two shits about anyone else getting healthcare.
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  783. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  802.  @60andover-timetotrain-join89  If you truly like history, here's Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  834. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  864. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  882. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  897.  @reutg6478  Absolute nonsense. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  955.  @thinkoutsidethelines8265  The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. The third party route is the longest route to your destination, next to teaming up with looney far right extremists that want to start a civil war, and would start shooting leftists once you help them overthrow the government. The broader progressive caucus is about 30 years old and is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justice Dems have been at it for about 4 years and have helped replace about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years, and has helped replace a few more. It's clearly the better strategy, even if you think it needs better progressive candidates. It's not like going third party is guaranteed to produce perfectly perfect incorruptible puritan progressive candidates. The Green party produced Kyrsten Sinema, ffs. Even if we imagine that you magically got a third party so popular, that every single member of the progressive caucus belonged to that party, instead of the Democrat party. What you'd have is Trump as president, due to vote splitting between Biden and Bernie in the general. You'd have Pence as the senate tie breaking vote. And, you'd have a Republican plurality, in the house, that would only have to work with a handful of the most conservative Dems, to pass whatever they wanted. They could completely ignore your third party. They wouldn't need your votes on anything. Taking over the Dem party is not only the more effective strategy, it gives you more power. If the progressive caucus can become the majority of Dems, they can pick the party speaker candidate, they can set the party agenda. If also the majority not the house, that speaker could assign committee seats, put forward whatever bills they wanted, and sideline whatever bills they didn't want. Third party is a fantasy. Dore is a grifter, who says he's for one thing, but then takes people down a direction that's never going to get you that thing.
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  958. Ben, you are not being totally honest about the history. In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. Nothing is "fair and square" after that beginning. Ze'ev also predicted, based on historical native responses to colonialism, that the natives would fight against it, until the bitter end. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, you left out that Israel, itself, was founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. That Israel, itself, elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun and bombed the King David Hotel. That Israel still celebrates those terrorists, as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood. In the West Bank, Israel is basically using the blueprint for colonizing North America. Send out settlements into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives react violently, cry that the poor "innocent" settlers have been attacked by "savages", the cavalry comes in and puts down the native uprising, and eventually the border expands to include thisse settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel disgustingly operates an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Only the fascists thought the Warsaw ghetto uprising was led by extremists. Only the fascsists considered all the WWII resistance movements (that sometimes targeted civilians) were "terrorists". Even the totally standard allied military sometimes intentionally targeted heavily populated civilian areas, like in Dresden, to end fascism. Very similar to the earliest years of colonizing the Americas, the natives originally welcomed Zionists, under the Ottoman Empire. That welcome was worn out, as it became increasingly clear that the Zionists weren't simply moving in next door, like other refugees. They had organizations buying land, that could never again be sold to a non Jew. Those organizations also stopped letting any non Jews rent, or even work on said land. It very definitely became colonialism. The British investigated a number of Zionist settlements, and clearly described all this in a report. Nothing "fair and square" has been going on, for 100 years.
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  973.  @JoKo203  I know that Dore knobs don't grasp the words like "gaslighting" and "blackmail", but do you also not grasp the word "grifter"? Obviously, the grifter would claim to be for certain things, but the way they propose obtaining those things doesn't actually get you those things. The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justive Dems are 4 years old and have filled about a dozen seats. AOC has been at it 2 years and helped fill a few more seats. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. In what reality would going third party get you what you want, quicker? Even if you magically got the third party popular enough to get all the progressive votes, in the next 100 years, you'd split the Dem votes and let Republicans rule, for decades to come, after that. Trump, and Republicans, have been trying to toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion. They, literally, want to go in reverse. That moves you further away from ever getting M4A. The directions Dore often proposes going move you further away from getting the things he claims he supports. That's the grift. The grifter promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A), for months. Then he did an about face, and made out like not supporting a secondary tactic for a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, on M4A, was enough to slander other progressives as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", and whatnot. Obviously, supporting a non-M4A candidate is worse than not supporting a secondary tactic, and moves votes away from the M4A candidate. Slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, and getting people to follow some fantasy, moves you further away from ever getting M4A. Then, after making out like simply disagreeing over a single secondary tactic, was enough to no longer consider other progressives allies, then did another about face, and promoted allying with psycho far right ancap Boogaloos, who want to start a civil war, and agree on next to nothing, aside from a handful of anti-authoritarian issues ... including disagreeing on M4A, which they want no part of. M4A and ancap are incompatible. Allying with loons, like that, is how "leftists" wind up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives. Who does he think they're going to be shooting, in their civil war? Ancap is all about private ownership. They'll be shooting any leftist that want public ownership. ...
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  1034. You don't need to guess at Likud's intent. They've had the same intent for 100 years. Likud's colonialist and terrorist origins ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  1045. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1109. Just to clarify what "government" means, in this case ... In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. He predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight said colonialism until the bitter end. He didn't care what would come of the natives, and claimed their colonialism was morally "good". Something that should be differentiated, is the colonialists can't ever really be "victims" of natives. Natives wouldn't be able to attack you, if your colonialist aggression hadn't put you there. On top of the colonialism, Israel's next building block is terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. They killed many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Those terrorist groups were merged into the new nation's military and intelligence. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, terrorist leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel, as their PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, that terrorists are heroes, and now cry that it's not, and they're not ... if Palestinians do it. Israelis have been voting for their governments, since its inception. They hold some responsibility for its actions. Due to mandatory service, almost every single Israeli is, was, or will be, a militant. Israeli militants kill Palestinians, including children, on a regular basis. Israel has hundreds of thousands of reserve militants (valid military targets) "hiding" amongst civilians, using them as "human shields". Israel also has a policy of blaming the families of Palestinian militants, and unleashing collective punishment, but cries foul, if this is done to them. That a Jewish nation is running an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, is just about the most vile thing, about Israel. Becoming the thing they fled, is a very dark part of history.
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  1130.  @andrewwells6323  Lol, you're not refuting anything. You're talking about something completely different. Your overall "good economy" being good for the 1% doesn't equate to the economy being good for everyone, nor does it refute anything I said. More and more people buying cheaply made crap from Walmart who pays many employees crap wages, cheaper things packaged in bulk from Costco, or even cheaper crap from dollar stores, has put many businesses out of business. More and more people completely depend on cheap crap just to get by, while more and more wealth ends up in the hands of fewer and fewer people. That is exactly the problem I'm talking about. More and more for them is less and less for the rest. They can't buy as much with less. It won't end well. You're completely delusional if you think it will. The masses eventually, and repeatedly, getting sick of that kind of bullshit, and rising up, is pretty basic history. There is a real world presidential candidate running on automation taking jobs. There are real world projects working on designing near fully automated societies. You could spout how looms improved the overall economy, but they put tons of weavers out of work, paid loomers less for more, and made loom factory owners rich. But, they relied on people getting incomes elsewhere to buy their stuff. Their workers couldn't afford it. You can only do that so much before there will be nobody to buy your stuff. The more and more companies that do it will leave fewer and fewer people working. Automation is really taking off. Plenty of forecasts, based on real world events, predicting a loss of hundreds of millions of jobs in coming years. Oh, do tell, what you think turned a fantastic Roaring 20s economy ... for some ... with rising wealth disparity ... into a great depression.
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  1137.  @gudmundursturluson7683  Wtf does needing to be in congress have to do with Dore promoting Trump as the better option, and encouraging viewers to vote in such a way that could only benefit Trump? You seem to have reading comprehension problems. Are you arguing zero voters actually listen to Jimmy, that he has zero influence? Jimmy predicted a Trump presidency would result in a massive progressive backlash, that would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He predicted that even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), instead of following Trump into all out fascism (wrong). In the debate where Sam stomped Jimmy, Dore claimed that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He got everything wrong. What was he right about, regarding "Russiagate"? The investigation didn't rely on the Steele dossier, that he blathers about. Mueller still indicted 19 Russians, and 3 Russian companies. The report provided some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, and said it didn't indict Jr and Kushner for criminal conspiracy because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. What's Jimmy's take? That the DNC, the FBI (run by Republicans for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), the Republican lead investigator, and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to make Pence president, or something? Rofl. What makes Fauci a "pathological" liar? "etc etc"? You didn't even give one good example to "etc etc" after.
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  1144.  @shpluk  Here's a brave, no mask, proud colonialist, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, Iron Wall, 1923: "My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage." "Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system." "There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel."" "Colonisation carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab. Colonisation can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed."
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  1147. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1282.  @michaelknight2897  Like the 80s? Conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people for millennia, and still do, or try to, and have never had a problem with using the law, or military, to do it. There's still a government agency protecting delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. It has only been 6 years since the Supreme Court uncancelled gay marriage across the country. Right wingers, including corporate Dems, have passed anti-bds laws. You lot have lost your marbles. Giant corporations, run by centibillionaires, aren't even left wing. The left would like to tax the living hell out of them They're being protected by the right. Giving giant corporations so much power, in the first place, was right wing. There being no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property is a long-standing part of private property ownership, which is right wing. If you don't have a right to be on their private property, then you don't have a right to be on their private property spewing whatever nonsense you want. They're the equivalent to private clubs, with memberships, and rules for membership. Private clubs have been revoking memberships since always. If Trump kept walking into the ladies change room at a golf club, got tons of warnings that the average person wouldn't get, and finally lost his membership, that would be totally his own fault. If you actually want free speech rights on social media, I'm pretty sure the left will back you on public ownership. Let's do it.
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  1298. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1304. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1352. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1488.  @Evirthewarrior  No he's not. Grifters claim they're selling you something beneficial, but they're actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful. All the directions Dore has proposed going, since 2016, actually get you no closer to, or further away from, M4A and socialism. Intentionally skipping all pro vaccine content in articles, and only focusing on the negatives, is intentionally portraying vaccines in a more negative light. Dishonestly comparing total population hospitalization rates to a year and a half old case fatality rate, to portray covid deaths as "WILDLY inflated", promotes that covid is far less deadly than it actually is, and that vaccines aren't as necessary as people think. Lying about an article on children and covid, and outright being against vaccinating children, is blatantly anti-vax for children. Making out like there's some big pharma conspiracy, regarding vaccines given out for free and prices negotiated by government (representing a tiny sliver of what M4A would be like) is both anti-vax (making out like it's a pure profit motive) and anti-M4A. He also not only dishonestly promoted that an unproven drug is an effective remedy, but also that it's an effective preventative, which promotes a false alternative to vaccines. Between that, and being fine with Rogan's $2000+ "kitchen sink", Dore is promoting more expensive, and paid for out of pocket, alternatives. Dore has harped on vaccine side effects, like tinnitus and myocarditis, while, like Rogan, ignoring that covid causes those far more often (myocarditis over 6x more, tinnitus thousands of times more). He and Max misrepresented what was going on with the UK healthcare system (a completely socialized system, even left of M4A) and vaccines for kids, promoting a negative light on both vaccines and socialized healthcare. He's a grifter, ffs. People have to be complete and utter morons, to not see it, by now. Or, are his numerous far right fans.
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  1562. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1566. Don't listen to Ryan and dam... Huxley was a scientist, above all else. He saw the scientific method in picking apples at the market. The agnosticism he defined was a belief in that scientific method, and it amounted to a form of demarcation. No objective testable evidence = a subjective unfalsifiable claim. Results: unscientific and inconclusive. No belief as to the truth, or falsehood, of the claim. It is not compatible with athe-ism, the belief gods do not exist, or the-ism, the belief gods do exist. “I say, strive earnestly to learn something, not only of the results, but of the methods of science, and then apply those methods to all statements which offer themselves for your belief. If they will not stand that test, they are nought, let them come with what authority they may.” "Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." He outright considered it "immoral" to form beliefs about objective truth claims without any objective evidence. So, no, not compatible with believing gods exist, or don't exist. "That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe, without logically satisfactory evidence; and that reprobation ought to attach to the profession of disbelief in such inadequately supported propositions." And, no, he didn't define it as some oxymoronic gnostic agnosticism that claims to know something is eternally unknowable or claims to know that nobody else knows either. "The extent of the region of the uncertain, the number of the problems the investigation of which ends in a verdict of not proven, will vary according to the knowledge and the intellectual habits of the individual Agnostic. I do not very much care to speak of anything as “unknowable.” What I am sure about is that there are many topics about which I know nothing; and which, so far as I can see, are out of reach of my faculties. But whether these things are knowable by any one else is exactly one of those matters which is beyond my knowledge, though I may have a tolerably strong opinion as to the probabilities of the case. Relatively to myself, I am quite sure that the region of uncertainty–the nebulous country in which words play the part of realities –is far more extensive than I could wish."
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  1693.  @ajaxaceofaces  So Jews and Muslims fleeing the Christian Spain, where they were given the options of conversion, death, or exile, fled to the Ottoman Empire, which took them in. Where Jews lived for centuries. An empire that okayed limited Zionism. An empire that decriminalized homosexuality when many Christian countries still considered it a crime or mental illness. Etc. An empire that was as, or more, liberal than a number of Christian empires. The West took that empire and carved it up into little countries. The Brits handed most of their bits to backwoods ultra-conservative Wahhabi dictators. No, they didn't create the ultra-conservatives, but they did put them in power. The French left a democratically elected government in Syria. It voted against an oil pipeline, so the US backed a coup to take them out. In Iran, a democratically elected PM was taking power away from the puppet dictator Shah, and was going to nationalize Iran's oil, so the US and UK backed a coup to take him out. In Iraq, a popular revolutionary had overthrown their puppet dictator, and was going to nationalize Iraq's oil, so the US backed a coup to take him out. In Afghanistan, communists overthrew their puppet dictator, and wanted to increase education and women's rights to the poor, so the US backed and trained religious extremists, including Bin Laden, to take them out. Etc. Etc. The problem with being more liberal, is that liberals will also tend to lean more left economically. The West has been taking out the more liberal Muslims, backing the more conservative Muslims, and poking their noses in ME affairs, pissing many of them off. You, seriously, don't think the US has fueled any hatred against itself? Supporting an Israel invasion of Lebanon wasn't what pissed people off, and got them bombed in Beirut? Bin Laden didn't list US intervention as a reason to declare war on them? Iranians didn't blame the US for decades of support for the dictator Shah?
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  1694. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1702. This event has broken Ben's mind. I'll have to ditch, if he's on reporting about it again. Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything. Ben is apparently cool with ignoring what was happening to Palestinians, and pretending everything started on Oct 7. Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through. Ben would be blaming the Jewish underground for the Warsaw ghetto uprising, instead of the Nazis.
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  1732. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  1733.  Steve Austin  Trump also funded Israel. Trump made out like American Jews not backing Israel were traitors. He okayed continued colonization. He recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capitol. None of those reduced tensions, they only increased tensions. As mentioned, he also dropped more bombs than Obama. There wasn't less violence in the ME, under Trump. Trump's best economic year was his first, while Obama's last budget was still in effect. By his own favorite measure, the stock market, it almost flatlined after his first budget, with his tax cuts, came into effect and he started his stupid trade wars. The "tough guy", Mr deal maker, lost a trade war with Trudeau, ffs. Trump had one better border crossing year than Obama. The rest were worse. There was a huge spike in 2019, that dimwit Republicans just ignored was happening. This current spike surpassed every month of Obama's back in September 2020, under Trump. He was no better on border crossings. He was just crueler to the crossers. There's actual evidence of Trump making millions in China. He also made millions from selling a Trump tower condo to a Chinese lobbyist, and millions renting a property to the Bank of China. That would be the same Bank of China that Mitch McConnell's sister in law is on the board of, that gives loans to his other sister in law, who runs a shipping company that buys its boats from the Chinese government. Considering all the bullshit you spouted. You being a former Democrat is likely also bullshit.
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  1792. We don't want to see Likud in charge of Israel anymore. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  1836. Call them out for what, exactly? AOC actually voted against the individual state department appropriation bill and voted against the individual defense appropriation bill. What morons, like Jackson, apparently want her to do is then vote against the entire budget, which includes healthcare, education, housing, veteran's benefits, SNAP, SSI, etc. She also voted against the final version of the Capitol Hill police bill. Dore knobs don't seem to know that it was heavily amended, in the senate, and sent back for a second house vote. That state department appropriation bill she voted against is what includes the annual offensive military aid to Israel. So what, if she didn't vote against a purely defensive system? She didn't vote for it, either, and it was a blowout vote. Her vote made no difference. Progressives have a bill to put conditions on the offensive military aid to Israel. They have an anti anti-BDS laws bill. They've been calling it out as an apartheid. Get a grip on reality and complain about the 400+ house members who voted for it, ffs. So what, if they didn't force a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote on M4A? The $15, dimwit Jackson was complaining they weren't getting a vote on, already did get a vote. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. What have Dore knobs done with two precious lists of no voters? Just keep bitching and complaining about those who voted for it, like pathetic useless hypocrites. And, learn some basic math skills. There are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives, which means it's impossible to pass a bill without Manchin. There is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from, to the right of Manchin. Bring enough Republicans on board and you can easily pass bills without needing squad votes. The squad only have leverage if a bill is "must pass", to Manchin. If he doesn't care if a bill will die ... zero leverage. If he amends a bill to the right, to bring enough Republicans on board ... zero leverage. Which bill has been "must pass", to Manchin, which he couldn't get Republicans on board for?
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  1915.  @heidibenner1577  Action is AOC and Bernie on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the most important thing, when getting enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass a bill. AOC also helped add a few more in the general election. A 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill. Publicly abandoning Nina Turner ... abandoning adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... as Dore did, doesn't get you closer to being able to pass the bill. Sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill and, if you let Republicans win, or let a corporate Dem win back a progressive seat, could actually move you further away. Promoting Tulsi M4A is unAmerican Gabbard over Bernie doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill ... in fact, voting against having an M4A president is actually the opposite. Trashing government negotiated under $20 prices on vaccines that are given out for free (a tiny taste of what M4A would be like) as some "big pharma" conspiracy, and spreading a general fear of the government, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill. Having your buddy Max on, so the two of you can misrepresent the UK's completely socialized healthcare system, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill. All the "action" Dore promotes gets you no closer, or even further away from, ever passing the bill. He's a grifter, who pretends he's selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful.
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  1975.  @chestervirgil7968  The $15 passed the house in the covid relief bill, dimwit. It got an actual vote, and passed the house. It didn't pass the senate, then went back to the house for a second vote. It was after that, that Bernie tried to get it in reconciliation. If the house hadn't passed the senate bill that was sent back, do you even know what happens next? It goes to house-senate negotiation, where the squad can try and pull in zero extra votes by making concessions to the zero members of congress to the left of them, and Manchin can try and pull in extra votes by making concessions to the 50 senators and 212 house members to the right of the party. In a standoff, a bill will most likely move right, not left. That is all besides the point that Dore is a pathetic useless hypocrite, who did nothing with the optics of voting against raising the minimum during a pandemic and nothing with the list of no voters. He just keeps whining, bitching about, and slandering, those who voted for it. AOC endorsed Nina in March, you dishonest douchebag. She then campaigned for her in the final stretch. Meanwhile, Dore was slandering AOC, claiming she had abandoned M4A, while she was actively trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. It was him who had publicly abandoned Nina and abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. While he was stupidly wondering where AOC was on M4A march day, she was at Nina rallies. Oh my, Dore's comment section must have been in an uproar over Dore abandoning Nina and slandering AOC and Bernie, who was also campaigning with Nina. Was it? Did you all call him out as a lying grifter? Dore, and his knobs, benefit the far right. That's just a fact.
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  2016. Tell everyone who Likud is Bernie. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2031.  @therationalnational  David. Jimmy has a new video out, downplaying the risks of covid, called "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?". In it, he takes hospitalization rates per total vaccinated (0.01%)and unvaccinated (0.89%) populations and compares it to a 3.4% "death rate", that is clearly a case fatality rate (fatalities per confirmed cases) from a year and a half ago. The case fatality rate is constantly changing, is different for each country, and different for the world. He claimed he couldn't find a newer rate. Only someone who is completely inept, wouldn't be able to find the current case fatality rate. But, somehow Jimmy managed not to. Only someone who failed grade school math couldn't figure it out themselves. 800k deaths is 1.6% of 50m confirmed cases, in the US. But, somehow Jimmy, or his team, couldn't. So, he compares these two sets of numbers, that are based on totally different math, to question whether covid deaths are being "WILDLY" inflated. You know, because a 3.4% "death rate" is so much higher than 0.9% hospitalization rate. The comparable "death rate" he should be using is the population mortality rate. 800k deaths is 0.24% of 330m total population. Again, something that's easy to find the latest numbers for, or figure out yourself, but the Dore knob team couldn't manage to do. There's nothing, at all, incompatible with a 0.24% total population mortality rate and a 0.9% total population hospitalization rate. But, he's using his false equivalency to make out like covid is a lot less harmful than doctors and scientists, worldwide, have stated, and there's some giant worldwide conspiracy to inflate numbers, by over 10x.
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  2092.  @Gee-xb7rt  Yeah. The fact that she actually opposed lowercase "l" right libertarians (ancappers), and argued that there needed to be a government, with minimal services ... "the police, the armed forces, the law courts" ... leads to her defeating herself. She just asserts that everyone would voluntarily pay taxes for those "necessities", so it wouldn't be involuntary taxes. But, we see, all the time, that people would love to not fund the police, the military, and probably wouldn't want to fund racist or bigoted courts, especially ones that constantly side with the rich, or the prison system, if they had the option. Definitely not some universal truth, that everyone would voluntarily fund those things. The rich would, and would use it to oppress the poor, is what would likely happen ... like calling in the military to bust strikes, or whatnot, like the good ol' days. That's why those things are a "necessity", in her mind ... to protect people with property and wealth. I might argue that capitalism can exist without a "government", but likely not without some kind of force, unless everyone is magically voluntarily following the same belief system. Feudalism, and absolute monarchies, are less "governments" and are more a form of governance, like a major company. They're private property owners, with their hired private armies, enforcing whatever rules they want on their private property, and charging people whatever they want for the use of their property, resources, etc. I don't consider privately owned and operated "governments" to be real governments.
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  2145.  @Addamo  Dore has been slandering people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. He promotes the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, peddling some fantasy where third parties are incorruptible and will only produce perfectly perfect candidates ... you know, like Kyrsten Sinema. He did, in fact, promote Tulsi over Bernie, which you're just lying about. He didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, did support the "medicare choice" candidate over the M4A candidate, and then turned around and made himself out to be the one true champion of healthcare, because he came up with a stupid way to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. He argued that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, vastly overestimating the benefits, claiming it would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house and senate in 2018 (wrong) and the presidency in 2020 (wrong), and vastly underestimating the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into all out fascism (wrong). If he's not a grifter, then he's a complete and utter moron. Either way, he benefits the far right more than the left.
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  2194. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2249.  @shanabell8603  Jimmy has had a video, since the Shaun video, about covid deaths. In it, he starts with vaccinated and unvaccinated hospitalization rates, 0.01% and 0.89%, that are based on the total vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, which is clearly stated in the Gallup article he cites. Jimmy instead uses the numbers as if they're based on only the infected population, and immediately makes out like the hospitalization rates are crazy low. He then compares those hospitalization rates to a "death rate" that is obviously a year and a half old case fatality rate, 3.4%. Then ... you know, since 3.4% is so much higher than 0.9% ... he makes out like covid deaths have been "WILDLY inflated". If you're using total population hospitalization rates, then the "death rate" you want is the covid crude mortality rate, which is about 0.25%. There's nothing incompatible with 0.9% and 0.25%. Jimmy was falsely making out like hospitalization rates were much lower than they actually are, for those infected, and that people were being lied to about death rates, all of which panders to the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers, who have been claiming covid is no worse than a cold or flu. Plus, he basically completely ignores that he has just shown numbers indicating that the unvaccinated are being hospitalized at 89x the rate of the vaccinated. Either Jimmy didn't read the Gallup article, himself, to know what kind of hospitalization rates he was using, or he's a complete and utter moron who, himself, decided to use the incorrect "death rate" ... a complete and utter moron who couldn't find a "death rate" that's newer than a year and a half old (case fatality rates change constantly) ... a complete and utter moron who couldn't do the simple math to find out the latest case fatality rate, or crude mortality rate, himself. He's either completely ignorant or completely dishonest. Take your pick.
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  2251. Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  2267. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted, based on all of history, that the natives would fight said colonialism until the bitter end. Being a colonialist, makes you the original aggressor. Everything natives do is a reaction to that beginning. On top of the colonialism, Israel was founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi, who killed many civilians, including children and even Palestinian Jews. Israel merged those groups into their new intelligence agency and military. Israelis elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun, killed plenty of civilians, including throwing dynamite and blowing up Palestinian homes, and bombed the King David Hotel. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood. Fascists called resistance movements "terrorists". Colonialists called unruly Natives "Savages!". Both sometimes brutally attacked civilians. They were still reacting to the fascism and colonialism. Without those things, they would have had nothing to react to. Native Americans didn't arrive at wanting to send the colonialists back into the sea, simply because they were white. The French resistance didn't want to send Nazis back to Germany, simply because they were German. Ask yourself why Jewish people were able to live side by side with Muslims, fled Christian nations for Muslim nations, for around 1300 years, even the earliest years of Zionism was accepted under the Ottomans, and then it suddenly stopped. Why was it timed around the Balfour declaration, which screwed Palestinians out of independence and self rule over the lands they lived on? Why was it timed around the first discussions of partition, with the first plan including force moving over 200k Palestinians out of lands that would be given to Zionists? Etc. Give your head a shake Ben.
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  2300.  @edwardrosser938  That wasn't Dore's argument for Trump over Clinton. He argued Trump was far worse. His claim was that a Trump presidency would cause a massive progressive backlash, exactly because he was so much worse. He claimed it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He claimed even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump presidency (wrong) rather than follow him into fascism (wrong). In his debate with Sam over it, he claimed Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He was wrong about everything. The very basis of his argument, that things had to get worse to have a bigger progressive movement, wasn't based on any kind of reality. Bernie had just created a progressive movement right after an Obama presidency. “In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk. When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” - Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Tribune-Herald, 2016 Pretty much every US intervention, since 9/11 used the war on terrorism as grounds. She was always a grifter, and Jimmy grifter for her. He spent months backing a public option candidate against the M4A candidate, then turned around and made out like not supporting some secondary tactic to get a performance art vote, was the end all and be all, slandering anyone who didn't jump onboard as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts". All those labels should apply to him, for outright going against the M4A candidate. Yes, he and his wife publicly announced they had stopped donating to Nina, and then promoted never supporting anyone running as a Democrat ever again. The Trump presidency actually hurt Bernie's progressive movement. People went screaming into Joe Biden's "more electable" arms. They didn't want to risk having Trump around another term. It did the opposite of what Dore fantasized. Jimmy is a fringe "progressive". He represents only a few hundred thousand people that voted for Tulsi, and Green party, in the last election. The vast majority of progressives vote for, and support, all the progressives he keeps trashing. His audience has become more and more packed with right wing loons.
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  2443.  @ZooomaCW  You can't "demonstrate" anything, if you don't provide any evidence to support your case. Without it, you're just blathering. The "they" would be Trump and over 100 Republican members of congress trying to overthrow the democratic process, based on bullshit. The "they" would be the 28% of Republican voters surveyed stating they didn't want Trump to concede under any circumstances. The "they" would be the right wing media that have had to backtrack due to defamation lawsuit threats, and the psycho lawyers being sued for defamation, for spouting bullshit. And, yes, the "they" would also include those who physically tried to stop the process by storming the Capitol after they were incited by being fed said bullshit for weeks. Rofl. Trump outright fires people who don't tow the party line, or state truths that don't match his lies. He has called for voters to cancel Republican politicians who didn't support his lies. He wanted to cancel funding to states and cities that didn't do as he said. He has called for plenty of other people to be fired, as well, from reporters to athletes. He convinced tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any judges, any election officials, any politicians (even Republicans), if they contradicted him. He totally just convinced a ton of people to cancel FOX for not being psycho enough anymore. Gaetz just held a cancel Liz Cheney rally. What rock do you live under? You also seem to have reading comprehension problems, and misunderstood wanting a dictator and dictatorship, as meaning currently is a dictator and dictatorship. The dictatorship part would be after you've kept the unelected ruler in power, and thrown the democratic process out the window. Yeah, no, that doesn't equate to fascism. "Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism" ~ Mussolini The complete opposite of the Marxian ideal of stateless non-authoritarian democratic socialism, is an ultra-nationalistic authoritarian undemocratic crony capitalism. Which box do Republicans, who take the extra step of trying to end the democratic process, still need to fill?
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  2480.  @BlazingOwnager  Republicans are banning things that aren't even taught in public schools. They're banning abortions and putting bounties on people who get abortions. Calling for the death penalty for getting an abortion. They're banning taking safety measures against a deadly virus. They're banning bds. They're making it more difficult and dangerous to protest. They're making it more difficult to vote. Their leader outright called to overthrow the democratic process to keep himself on as an unelected dictator. The majority of Republican lawmakers tried to overthrow the democratic process to keep him on as an unelected dictator. The majority of Republican voters believe the lies that led some of them to try and violently overthrow the democratic process. They defend police that kill their own citizens at hundreds of times the rate of numerous other developed countries. They defend having the largest prison population in the world. They defend charging, and convicting, certain people at higher rates, for similar crimes. They defend sentencing certain people for longer periods of time, for similar crimes. Etc. Etc. Etc. All of which uses government power. And, you're whining about some on the left using public pressure? It's, literally, akin to something ancappers actually promote, leaving bad Yelp reviews to fight racism, sexism, bigotry, and other forms of discrimination, instead of using the government. Give me a break. If you have to ""walk on eggshells" to not say something racist, or whatnot, then the problem is you.
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  2495. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2544. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2586.  @guiagaston7273  Jimmy outright promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, which only benefits Trump. He peddled Tulsi over Bernie, outright working against Bernie and M4A. He ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, Biden, which only benefits Trump. He slanders progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He peddles a third party fantasy, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He publicly abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... and promoted never voting for anyone running as a Dem ever again, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He peddled allying with "extreme free market" psycho Boogaloos, who want to start a civil war, overthrow the government, and have society run on pure capitalism. He goes on white nationalist television just to largely agree with right wing talking points, which only benefits right wing propaganda tv, and their audience. Government negotiated prices on vaccines, and then giving them out for free, is a tiny taste of universal healthcare. Dore and Max also lied about the completely socialized UK healthcare system. Dore has also peddled more expensive, and paid for out of pocket, vaccine alternatives. Dore pandering to anti-vaxxers is also anti-universal healthcare. Like all grifters, he claims to be selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful (Trump was running on tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, ffs).
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  2589. ​Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  2604. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. At that point, they'll be able to pick the party speaker candidate, and set the party agenda, for the house. If also the majority of the house, that speaker could also pick committee seats, pick which bills to introduce, pick which bills to not introduce, etc. In an alternate reality, where the progressive caucus was an entirely different party, what you'd have is a Trump presidency (due to vote splitting between Dem voters and progressives), Pence as the senate tie breaker, and a Republican plurality in the house. Republicans would only have to work with a few of the most conservative Dems, to pass whatever they wanted, and could completely ignore the progressive party, altogether. There is more power in getting 15 more seats within the Democratic party, than getting 115 seats outside the Democratic party. Plus, the reality is that most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Also, the "vote blue" strategy works both ways. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries tend to turn around and vote for them in the generals. Any hope of Bernie actually winning a general election, if he got through the primary, would have rested entirely upon those who voted against him turning around and voting for him. If you split the voters, you'd pretty much be handing any tight districts, and the presidency, to Republicans, for decades to come.
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  2613. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  2710.  @whyamimrpink78   I didn't simply say people die. I said people die due to being uninsured, and you didn't give a flying fuck. A legitimate complaint about the US system is that not everyone gets coverage. It's an easily preventable cause of death. Simply cover everybody. You also haven't given a flying fuck about hundreds of thousands bankruptcies, or over a million going to cheap third world countries .... all per year. Both also easily preventable. Sure, there may be other reasons people die. If they are also easily preventable, then people should try to prevent those too, no? You didn't break down crap about the Commonwealth Fund healthcare index. Like I said, there were 70+ measures. You whined about ignoring cancer mortality rates, which does suck as a good measure because you can't tell if they got better care or were diagnosed early, and dismissed them as a source. You didn't address WHO, at all, simply dismissing them as a source. You addressed my own mention of infant and maternal mortality rates, and life expectancy, which is still the global standard, and has been the standard for decades. There is no widespread medical consensus, to stop using those measures as a decent standard. The ages people survive until, before dying of cancer, in all countries, are included in life expectancy rates. You know that, right? So, if you're oh so awesome at actually extending cancer patients' lives, rather than simply diagnosing early, then that should really bump up your life expectancy rate. Preventative healthcare is still healthcare.
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  2711. @Packster Mosk Life is force. Nobody gets to choose to be born, let alone choose to be born in a specific geographic region, with a specific economic system. Life then forces you to find food, water, and shelter, or die. But the natural state of affairs, was that nobody owned anything. You're the one creating the artificial state, where property is privately owned. And, if all the property that is currently publicly owned by governments were also privately owned, I'd be forced to make money to pay someone else to own my property or to rent property, pay someone else for building materials, pay someone else for water, pay someone else for food, pay someone else for electricity, etc., or rot on the streets and die. With that, comes most people being forced to make that money by working for someone else. All those someones would have some power over my life, my ability to survive, and could set the prices for what I need to survive, and set the wage I get to try and survive on. History has shown that large landowners, and major business owners, often treat their renters and employees like shit. Sure, people have risen up and chopped off the heads of large landowners. Sure, workers have risen up in massive strikes and riots. You can blather about them using "force", but they were already being forced to work for next to nothing, barely being able to pay for all their costs. Making out like they freely entered into agreements with their employers and landlords, when the other option was to "freely" rot and die, is absolutely moronic.
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  2798.  @shpluk  Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Ethics of the Iron Wall ... "Let us consider for a moment the point of view of those to whom this seems immoral. We shall trace the root of the evil to this – that we are seeking to colonise a country against the wishes of its population, in other words, by force. Everything else that is undesirable grows out of this root with axiomatic inevitability. What then is to be done? The simplest way out would be to look for a different country to colonise. Like Uganda. But if we look more closely into the matter we shall find that the same evil exists there, too. Uganda also has a native population, which consciously or unconsciously as in every other instance in history, will resist the coming of the colonisers. It is true that these natives happen to be black. But that does not alter the essential fact. If it is immoral to colonise a country against the will of its native population, the same morality must apply equally to the black man as to the white. Of course, the blackman may not be sufficiently advanced to think of sending delegations to London, but he will soon find some kindhearted white friends, who will instruct him. Though should these natives even prove utterly helpless, like children, the matter would only become worse. Then if colonisation is invasion and robbery, the greatest crime of all would be to rob helpless children. Consequently, colonisation in Uganda is also immoral, and colonisation in any other place in the world, whatever it may be called, is immoral. There are no more uninhabited islands in the world. In every oasis there is a native population settled from times immemorial, who will not tolerate an immigrant majority or an invasion of outsiders. So that if there is any landless people in the world, even its dream of a national home must be an immoral dream. . Those who are landless must remain landless to all eternity. The whole earth has been allocated." ... the f*cking guy doesn't even think that "the simplest way out" is to not colonize another country.
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  2855.  @MiguelCruz-oz7km  Most of his Dore knob talking points were also bullshit, as is usually the case. There's a difference between voting for the budget and voting for the state department appropriation bill. AOC voted against the appropriation bill. A vote against the budget is also a vote against Medicaid, Medicare, education, affordable housing, etc., etc., etc. She also voted against the military appropriation bill. These departments have their own individual budget request bills, before the budget vote. Haven't run across a Dore knob, yet, that knows the Capitol Hill police bill was heavily amended in the senate, nor that she voted against it, on the final house vote. The guy didn't even seem to know that the $15 got a vote already. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. Instead of doing something with the two precious lists of no voters, they just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it. While Dore was claiming AOC had abandoned M4A, she was literally on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Adding yes votes to congress gets you closer to being able to pass the bill. Forcing a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, doesn't. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, in the last election. Some of those were in purple districts, and the progressive got absolutely creamed in the primaries, but the more conservative Dem managed to win the district. This midterm election is a whole other animal, and it's going to be a helluva fight to hang on to those purple district seats. Any leverage the guy thinks progressives have, rests entirely on Democrats being in the majority, and yet he sees no benefit in her helping to retain that majority. They'd prefer seeing Republicans become the majority. They just look for any little thing to attack progressives over, while not seeming to care if fascists, that tried to overthrow the democratic process to keep Dumpty on as an unelected dictator, regain power. They're the kind of "leftists" that wind up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives, when their psycho extreme right allies no longer consider them useful.
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  2953.  @alabamaman9476  Top 20 cities, 12 in red states ... 1. St. Louis, Missouri > Murder rate: 88.1 per 100,000 people 2. Petersburg, Virginia > Murder rate: 76.9 per 100,000 people 3. Pine Bluff, Arkansas > Murder rate: 56.5 per 100,000 people 4. New Orleans, Louisiana > Murder rate: 51.0 per 100,000 people 5. Saginaw, Michigan > Murder rate: 50.2 per 100,000 people 6. Detroit, Michigan > Murder rate: 49.7 per 100,000 people 7. Trenton, New Jersey > Murder rate: 48.2 per 100,000 people 8. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania > Murder rate: 46.7 per 100,000 people 9. Baton Rouge, Louisiana > Murder rate: 46.5 per 100,000 people 10. Flint, Michigan > Murder rate: 46.4 per 100,000 people 11. Riviera Beach, Florida > Murder rate: 44.7 per 100,000 people 12. Memphis, Tennessee > Murder rate: 44.4 13. Wilmington, Delaware > Murder rate: 44.2 per 100,000 people 14. Cleveland, Ohio > Murder rate: 42.2 per 100,000 people 15. Alexandria, Louisiana > Murder rate: 41.3 per 100,000 people 16. Monroe, Louisiana > Murder rate: 40.3 per 100,000 people 17. Shreveport, Louisiana > Murder rate: 37.2 per 100,000 people 18. Portsmouth, Virginia > Murder rate: 36.1 per 100,000 people 19. Kansas City, Missouri > Murder rate: 35.2 per 100,000 people 20. Dayton, Ohio > Murder rate: 32.8 per 100,000 people Top 20 states, 12 red states ... Louisiana 12.8 Maryland 10.4 Alabama 9.6 Mississippi 9 Arizona 9 Tennessee 8.3 Arkansas 8 South Carolina 7.9 New Mexico 7.9 Nevada 7.8 North Carolina 7.6 Missouri 7.3 Georgia 7.1 Michigan 6.9 California 6.9 Illinois 6.8 Delaware 6.6 Texas 6.5 Virginia 6.4 Pennsylvania 6.3
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  2974. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  3011.  @roberttelford745  The progressives who backed Bernie and M4A during the last primaries, instead of Tulsi and a public option. The progressives who helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, which gets you closer to being able to pass the bill. The progressives who were just trying help add another M4A yes vote to congress, in Nina Turner, who Dore abandoned. The progressives who did vote against the stand alone rearming Israel bill, and introduced bills to put conditions on aid to Israel. You Dore knob dimwits wanted them to vote against the entire foreign aid budget, that included aid to Palestinians, as well as non military aid around the world? And what is it with your stupid obsession with Syria? There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use, hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple NGO witnesses, independent investigations, legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, on top of the numerous UN investigations that had zero dissenting opinions, since 2013, plus tons of other human rights violations. Two dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that investigation, let alone all the others. The investigation you dimwits keep blathering about didn't even start until after the US, and others, were already bombing Syria, and the final report didn't come out until almost a year later, plus it didn't even assign blame as per Russian security council demands. It wasn't used as grounds for the bombing, ffs. You're being played by a grifter, Dore knob.
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  3056.  Bryzz Lull   Ummm, you should read a history book, or two. There was no American founding in the 16th century. Jamestown wasn't even settled until 1607, the beginning of the 17th century. Plymouth was settled in 1620. Then came waves of Puritans, who basically created a theocracy. They enslaved or killed natives that didn't convert. They banished, persecuted, or killed other Christians who didn't conform, including Quakers. They banished, persecuted, or killed non-Christians. They killed people for "witchcraft". They forced church attendance. They forced a dress code. They outlawed PDAs. Etc. There was no liberty, at all. By the time the later 18th century rolled around, when the 1775 revolution occurred, British parliamentarians had already fought three civil wars against royalists, and chopped off a king's head, over a hundred years earlier. They had also already enacted a number of bills outlining subject rights (petition of right, habeas corpus act, and bill of rights), during that time, as well. What American revolutionaries originally wanted was the same rights and freedoms as those in the motherland, where those things had already existed for over a century. British common law was so much better than colonial laws at protecting individual rights, slavery couldn't survive it. When Americans created their own constitution and bill of rights, they used the British one as a model. But, their rights didn't protect everyone's liberty, and they still conserved chattel slavery, and only managed to get rid of it by fighting a bloody civil war against those willing to kill and die to conserve it forever, decades after the British Empire had abolished it in all the other colonies it still owned, and everyone said okay, without a fight. Those millions of freed American slaves, and their descendants, were still stripped of rights, discriminated against, persecuted, and even killed, for another hundred years, before the US came up with a civil rights act, after a great struggle against those trying to conserve those lack of rights, that finally protected everyone. Americans are actually a slow bunch, when it comes to freedoms, compared to many other countries, due to so many of them trying to conserve the exact opposite of liberty. They are not at the forefront, at all. America "created" so much, for so many, because it had a ton of open land (well, once the natives were cleared out), and people were given free land ... government handouts. This also happened in Canada and Australia, both of which rank better than the US on the freedom index, on the happiness index, on quality of life, on healthcare, on education, etc., etc. Conservatives do not believe in smaller government. They love a big military and expanded policing, both of which are expanding government. Conservatives do not believe in a free market, and work towards helping monopolies, all the time, as well as support corporate welfare. So, all you basically said was ... conservatives believe in pure bullshit and propaganda.
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  3080. Rofl. He just defined agnosticism, almost exactly how Huxley did, only he called it "atheism". Idiot. Huxley was a scientist, above all else. He saw the scientific method in picking apples at the market. The agnosticism he defined was a belief in that scientific method, and it amounted to a form of demarcation. No objective testable evidence = a subjective unfalsifiable claim. Results: unscientific and inconclusive. No belief as to the truth, or falsehood, of the claim. It is not compatible with athe-ism, a belief gods do not exist, or the-ism, a belief gods do exist. “I say, strive earnestly to learn something, not only of the results, but of the methods of science, and then apply those methods to all statements which offer themselves for your belief. If they will not stand that test, they are nought, let them come with what authority they may.” "Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." "That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe, without logically satisfactory evidence; and that reprobation ought to attach to the profession of disbelief in such inadequately supported propositions." This New A-theism stuff is nonsense. "In this interpretation an atheist becomes: not someone who positively asserts the non-existence of God; but someone who is simply not a theist. Let us, for future ready reference, introduce the labels ‘positive atheist’ for the former and ‘negative atheist’ for the latter. The introduction of this new interpretation of the word ‘atheism’ may appear to be a piece of perverse Humpty-Dumptyism, going arbitrarily against established common usage. ‘Whyever’, it could be asked, ‘don’t you make it not the presumption of atheism but the presumption of agnosticism?’" ~ Antony Flew
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  3185. ​ @Exit_Sign  Facts: Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  3223.  @A_Derpy_NINJA  Do you even know what a "grift" is? Sure, he says stuff, but the whole point is that he's selling himself as something he's not. In 2016, Dore promoted Trump (platform: kick 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). He also promoted the idea that Stein had a shot. If he convinced even a single swing state voter not to bother going out to vote against Trump, or to vote Stein, then he helped Trump win. For the 2020 primaries, he promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). If he convinced even a single person not to vote Bernie, then he helped Bernie lose. Then, he spent the general running a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, again trying to help Trump win. A disagreement over a performance art vote was enough for him to portray other progressives as enemies, and then he turns around and promotes allying with far right nutty ancap Boogaloos, that want a civil war. That's the kind of idiot move that lands you on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives. He goes on Tucker mainly to agree with him. He abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress. He, again, is promoting third party fantasies, to draw off progressive votes, and hand power to Republicans, just as the broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. He slanders progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, to try and get people to lose confidence in them. He, at least, benefits the right more than the left.
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  3227. ​@velvet1865 The Hindutva founder wasn't even religious. He redefined what it meant to be "Hindu". His definition did not include Muslims, Christians, or Jews. "As World War II become imminent, Savarkar had initially advocated a policy of neutralism centered on India's geostrategic equations but his rhetoric grew coarser with time and he expressed consistent support for Hitler's policy about Jews.[107][108] In a speech on 14 October, it was suggested that Hitler's ways be adopted for dealing with Indian Muslims.[107] On 11 December, he characterized the Jews as a communal force.[107] Next March, Savarkar would welcome Germany's revival of Aryan culture, their glorification of Swastika, and the "crusade" against Aryan enemies — it was hoped that German victory would finally invigorate the Hindus of India.[107] On 5 August 1939, Savarkar highlighted how a common strand of "thought, religion, language, and culture" was essential to nationality thus preventing the Germans and Jews from being considerable as one nation.[107] By the year end, he was directly equating the Muslims of India with German Jews — in the words of Chetan Bhatt, both were suspected of harboring extra-national loyalties and became illegitimate presences in an organic nation.[107][108][109] These speeches circulated in German newspapers with Nazi Germany even allotting a point-of-contact person for engaging with Savarkar, who was making sincere efforts to forge a working relationship with the Nazis. Eventually, Savarkar would be gifted with a copy of Mein Kampf.[107]"
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  3255.  @libertybell5796  Your bell is cracked. "He made proposal after proposal to circumvent the increasingly entrenched positions: colonial representation in Parliament, reorganization of the empire on a more equal basis, the establishment of a paper currency fund in the colonies to meet the revenue requirement, a return to the old requisition system, etc." https://web.lib.unb.ca/winslow/franklin.html "Some Americans called for colonial representation in Parliament. As James Otis put it in The Rights of the British Colonies Asserted and Proved:" https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/excursions/sons-liberty-resistance-stamp-act-part-two "In the course of the 1760s and 1770s, William Pitt the Elder, Sir William Pulteney, and George Grenville, amongst other prominent Britons and colonial Americans, such as Joseph Galloway, James Otis, Jr., Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, the London Quaker Thomas Crowley, Royal Governors such as Thomas Pownall M.P., William Franklin, Sir Francis Bernard, and the Attorney-General of Quebec, Francis Maseres, debated and circulated plans for the creation of colonial seats in London, imperial union with Great Britain, or a federally representative British Parliament with powers of taxation that was to consist of American, West Indian, Irish and British Members of Parliament." http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/taxation_without_representation#Representative_Proposals_before_1776 And most of those who didn't consider representation in parliament feasible, simply wanted semi independence, and not complete independence from the crown, even up to the First Congressional Congress. Revolution and complete independence was only settled on as a last resort, after they felt they exhausted all other options and negotiations.
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  3294. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3479.  @therationalnational  Side note, David: As a Canadian living with a VAT (GST), you should do a bit on how a VAT actually works, for Yang and his gang. They seem to be clueless about the fact that it's built into the system that businesses get paid back for their input VAT. Meaning, Yang's claim that a VAT forces corporations to "pay their fair share" is bogus. Many gangers also seem to be under the delusion that exempting "staples" means only big ticket luxury items will be taxed. We exempt staples, here in Canada, but that doesn't include the electric bill, phone bill, internet bill, cable bill, toys, games, basically any entertainment with a cost, non staple snacks and pop, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance ... many things that still affect ordinary people. Since it doesn't actually tax corporations like Amazon, handing consumers $3t, and Amazon's share of consumer spending being 2%, instead of making them pay, he'll make them an extra $60b a year. That would make Bezos something like an extra $12b a year. He'd have to personally blow over $120b a year on goods and services with a VAT to pay in more than he'd get out of the plan. If giant corporations and the super rich get more out of the plan than they pay in, that means someone else is paying in more than they're getting out. Since it does tax many day to day items, those already getting $1000+ a month in government assistance would be worse off. Opting in or out won't give them any extra money, but they can't opt out of paying a VAT. As an example: any single parent on full SSI disability ($775), that currently stacks with SNAP ($355+ for household of 2+), will be worse off. Yang has neither stack with UBI.
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  3554. @Bet Your lunch Ummm, infighting is exactly what Jimmy wanted. He started slandering everyone and anyone who didn't go for his "strategy" to get a performance art vote on M4A. AOC never once ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. Jimmy lied and pretended she didn't do what she said. AOC did say she wanted to cause a "ruckus" means, based on whatever "ruckus" means to her. Jimmy made up what "ruckus" meant, to him, and again lied that she wasn't doing what she said, as if something is objectively a "ruckus", or not. An old lady, thinking your music is a bit too loud, can think you're causing a "ruckus", ffs. It's a fairly subjective term. AOC backed 20 pro-M4A progressives and helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress. That actually gets you closer to ever being able to pass the bill than a performance art vote does. On that, alone, she has done more for M4A, in 2 years, than Dore has in his entire lifetime, and more than any third party, that can't win a single seat in congress. Dore made a big deal about where was she on M4A march day, as if she was in hiding. Well, it was public knowledge that she was doing public rallies with Nina Turner, that day, promoting M4A at those rallies, and trying her best to help add yet another M4A advocate to congress. Dore, on the other hand, publicly abandoned Nina Turner, on his show, publicly abandoned trying to add another M4A advocate to congress. Also, remember, that Dore promoted Trump (platform: toss 10m poor Americans off of Medicaid expansion) over Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion), he promoted Tulsi (platform: public option) over Bernie (platform: M4A), and ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's (still wanting to toss millions off of Medicaid expansion) only remaining viable opponent Biden (platform: public option and Medicare expansion). Then, he tries to pass himself off as the one true champion of healthcare. Rofl! You have got the wrong fraud. Dore is a grifter. He doesn't care if anyone gets, or loses, healthcare. He says one thing, but then proposes the worst healthcare option.
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  3766. In all its previous forms, it has always been Revisionist Zionsim's goal to colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories, and more. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  3797. David, he has also been lying from the start about who a VAT actually taxes. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT be a tax on businesses. "The GST takes into account the cost of inputs – the factors used in manufacturing or production – at each stage of the process to avoid double taxation. Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption." http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt) "a consumption tax because it is borne ultimately by the final consumer. It is not a charge on businesses." https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en Even Amazon knows. "How VAT works in Europe", "How to claim back VAT". https://services.amazon.co.uk/services/vat-resources.html That includes getting credited back input VAT on advertising, which he repeatedly lies about. https://www.burtonbeavan.co.uk/reclaim-vat-google-adwords/ If he doesn't actually make Amazon pay into the UBI, and their share of US consumer spending is 2%, handing consumers $3t a year will only make Amazon an extra $60b a year. That would, in turn, make Bezos something like an extra $6b a year ... a ton more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT. Yang's plan will make giant corporations and the super rich even richer, and increase inequality. That ad has other subtle diahonesty, because he doesn't have his UBI stack with SSI disability or SNAP, which do currently stack together. A single non working caregiver with a disabled child could now be getting over $1000/month. Even if they opt out of the UBI, they can't opt out of paying a VAT on many things. Non staples, here in Canada: utilities, phone service, internet service, snacks and pop, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance, toys, games, basically any entertainment with a cost ... all kinds of things that would still affect their lives.
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  3828.  @investmotivation1014  Don't you know the definition of the word "grift"? Dore says he's for things like that, but the directions he proposes taking don't get you any closer to getting them, or even take you in the opposite direction. How does sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, get you M4A in the next century? How does a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote get you any closer to getting M4A? When adding M4A yes votes to congress is the very thing that gets you closer to ever being able to pass it, how does slandering those like Justice Dems and AOC, who have added yes votes to congress, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? When you publicly abandon Nina Turner ... abandon adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... and promote never voting for someone running as a Dem ever again, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? How is literally peddling someone against the M4A candidate, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? How is trashing government negotiated vaccine prices, for vaccines that are then given out for free (a tiny slice of what M4A would be), not mean you're fighting against M4A? How is misrepresenting and attacking the completely socialized UK healthcare system, not mean you're fighting against socialized healthcare? How is peddling more expensive, privately paid for, alternatives, not promoting the opposite of M4A? How is peddling Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion), as the better option, not going outright backwards? What has Jimmy proposed doing, since 2016, that actually gets you closer to getting M4A?
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  3841. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  3859. ​ @seanmccartney5177  How so? It has been Likud's goal for 100 years, in all its previous forms. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  3878. NekoMouser //I identify as an agnostic atheist because I understand how words work and believe in accurate labels to facilitate better// Well, you obviously don't understand how something works, because "agnostic a-theist" doesn't describe a specific position. Someone could be an agnostic weak/negative/soft a-theist, who has no belief, either way, and no knowledge claim. Or, someone could be an agnostic strong/positive/hard a-theist, who believes gods don't exist, but doesn't claim to know. Those 4 position models are nonsense. Or, you could just call one position "agnostic" and one "athe-ist", if you're not a fan of an illogical convoluted mess. //Atheism ONLY means you lack a belief is god or gods.// You know what's more pathetic than theists who don't know much about the long history of their chosen religion? A-theists who don't know the history and usage of a couple words. First came atheos + ist = someone who believes no gods exist. Then came theos + ist = someone who believes gods exist. Then came agnostos + ic = someone who is without knowledge (as in completely uncertain, due to lack of evidence, and not compatible with beliefs, either way). "Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." ~ Thomas Huxley, 1884 Then came a + theist = not a theist (a rock is not a theist). "In this interpretation an atheist becomes: not someone who positively asserts the non-existence of God; but someone who is simply not a theist. Let us, for future ready reference, introduce the labels ‘positive atheist’ for the former and ‘negative atheist’ for the latter. The introduction of this new interpretation of the word ‘atheism’ may appear to be a piece of perverse Humpty-Dumptyism, going arbitrarily against established common usage. ‘Whyever’, it could be asked, ‘don’t you make it not the presumption of atheism but the presumption of agnosticism?’" ~ Antony Flew, 1984 This a-theist usage is the newer one. It is still not the most popular one, not even amongst non-theists, most of whom choose "nothing" or "agnostic" on surveys.
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  3881.  @kendrasspongeasmr210  "nobody knows" Pretty much everyone identifying as a-theist doesn't know what Huxley actually said, nor do they know the history of the words ... that's who doesn't know much. Name a single other ist/ism that attaches the prefix last. The words were athe-ist and athe-ism, for hundreds of years. The belief gods don't exist and those who believe that. Huxley clearly described agnosticism as having to do with belief, and not having a belief either way. Yeah, you either believe you left the door unlocked, or you don't, but you also either believe you left it locked, or you don't, and you could be totally uncertain, not having either belief. You folks like to pretend there's no such thing as real athe-ists (hard atheists, strong atheists, positive atheists). Weak/soft/negative a-theism = Huxley agnosticism. Strong/hard/positive a-theism = athe-ism. It makes no real sense to call two totally different positions of belief/non-belief the same thing. Yes, the position of no belief either way shares no belief gods exist with the real athe-ist, but it also shares no belief gods don't exist with the theist. It had a no balief commonality with both positions but shares neither of their beliefs. Huxley named the position of no belief, when it didn't have a name. Christians, at the time, erroneously considered not believing x to equate to believing not x, and labelled all non-believers "atheist". Doesn't change how they defined the word though. They defined it as believing gods don't exist. By that definition, they were wrong to label all non-believers "atheist". That's the error Huxley pointed out and then provided a label for simply not believing, either way. 20th century idjits, like Smith and Flew promoted the a-theist redefinition and hijacked that position into a-theism. Every inanimate object in the universe is not a theist. It's a stupid redefinition that then requires qualifiers to clarify and tell two positions apart and doesn't necessarily even describe people. Personhood is in the "ist", and an a-theist is not an ist. A rock is a-theist. If we temporarily need to group two positions together, I prefer the non- prefix. Athe-ists and agnostics are non-theists. Theists and agnostics are non-atheists. Theists and athe-ists are non-agnoatics. For any claim, it is objectively true, x, or not true, ~x. Subjectively, you can believe x, believe ~x, or form no belief either way. A: belief x, no belief ~x B: no belief x, no belief ~x C: no belief x, belief ~x Yes, both B and C are not As, but A and B are also not C's, and A and C are not Bs. Three distinct positions of belief regarding x. Why redefine a label, making B and C the same thing?
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  3898.  @mellow_badger8585  Rofl. Tucker had pro Assange segments going back a year before Dore was on, you dimwitted Dore knob. He didn't move Tucker's position on anything. Dore went on, agreed with Tucker that it was problematic that Dumpty had been banned from social media, and using the bullshit first amendment argument. There's no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property. A leftist should be pointing that out, and pointing out the way to get free speech rights is through public ownership. Someone whose not sucking on Tucker's far right white nationalist balls, might also point out that things like inciting insurrections and defamation aren't protected speech anyway. He played right along with the right wing framing of "cancel culture", not pointing out that conservative religious folks have been cancelling things and people for millennia, still do, and often even use the government to do it, not just public pressure. Then, and this was right as the second impeachment was beginning, Jimmy threw Tucker and his audience the off topic bone that he too considered the first impeachment to be a sham. Then, he finally got to Assange, who Tucker didn't show any indication of disagreeing with Jimmy on. Right wingers love WikiLeaks. Assange isn't a right/left issue, in the least. The issue isn't common ground, dingleberry. The issue is priorities. Right wing morons care more about bullshit, like CRT that isn't even taught in K-12, than they do about getting themselves healthcare. If they prioritized healthcare, they wouldn't be right wingers. An "extreme free market" Boogaloo psycho, that wants to start a civil war, isn't going to vote for the same people you are, just because you both agree an a handful of anti-authoritarian issues. They'll be shooting you, if you try and implement M4A, after you help them bring down the government.
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  3948. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by multiple measures ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  3980. Which was Einstein? He considered Likud's founders on par with Nazis. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  4062.  @gnubbiersh647  Harris argued it was already a given that, if you set a subjective goal, science can help you achieve that goal. Meaning, if you subjectively define "well being", and subjectively set that as your goal, then science can help you reach that goal. Or, for example, if you set reaching the moon as your subjective goal, then science can help you achieve that goal, and everything you do then objectively gets you closer to achieving that goal, or it doesn't. What people didn't believe was that science could itself set the goal, so that the goal was objective. By saying he wanted to prove that wrong, Sam had to show that the goal, "well being", is itself objective, to give us something beyond what he already acknowledged was a given. He argued all concepts of morality are about "well being". If that is actually the case, that would mean they all have different concepts of "well being" (a Christian's, for example, would be measured not by how healthy and happy you are, but instead measured by how closely you are following God's will, so your soul can have ultimate happiness in the afterlife). Sam set aside their beliefs in an afterlife, or any other concepts, and began arguing as if there was only one concept of "well being" ... his ... and that it is only measured by his standards. He had basically defeated himself, at this point, and is exactly at what he said was a given, at the outset. He also tried to support his concept, by arguing morality is only about sentient creatures, and that we don't value the "well being" of rocks. Problem there is ... we do. If we deem that a structure or sculpture, made of rocks, has historical value, we consider it immoral to harm or destroy it. Same with any rocks deemed to have artistic value. We also deem some environments to have value, including any rocks within, and provide them protection. We also deem many shiny rocks to have value, and some people will kill each other over them, considering that value to be worth more than another human being's life. He also made out like that also applies to lesser life forms, and yet some people's concept of morality includes all life forms. He didn't provide any real "objective" demarcation line. Are cows, pigs, and chickens, below the line? Most people's concepts of morality okay slaughtering them. Plenty of people think the world would be better off without humans. Plenty value certain animals over other human beings. Hedonists value simply fulfilling your desires. All these concepts of morals and values aren't samesies. Even ignoring that many concepts of "well being" include an afterlife, the various moral concepts aren't all using the exact same concept of "well being", that Sam puts forward, for this life. He goes completely deranged, and argues that an objective fact can change. He gives as an example, the distance of the Earth to the Sun. The problem there is that he's leaving out that any measurement to the Sun would be made at an exact moment in time. It will forever be true that, at that exact moment in time, we were exactly that distance from the Sun. If something is truly an objective fact, it will always be true. To support his "moral landscape" argument, he provides chess, as an "analogy". He claims it is a game of "perfect objectivity", where a move is objectively better or worse. No. Someone subjectively decided to create a game, subjectively decided on the board, the pieces, how those pieces would move, and how to win (back to what he said was already a given at the start). People have also subjectively come up with alternate rules. People have subjectively come up with alternate boards (3D Star Trek chess). Chess, and any game with rules, is more akin to laws, than morality. Once you've subjectively decided something is a rule/law, then you are objectively following the rule/law, or you aren't. Sometimes we decide laws are themselves immoral, and change them. Even when you're within the game, with the rules in place, nothing says it's wrong to maybe let your kid beat you once in a while. If that's your subjective goal, then what is "objectively" a better or worse move could become completely flipped, and there'd be nothing wrong with that, even though it would appear to be an "objectively" horrible move, by Sam's singular (and subjective) way to measure things. He also tries using healthy vs unhealthy, as an analogy to moral vs immoral. The problem there is that healthy/unhealthy don't include oughts. Eating a Big Mac might be unhealthy, but there's nothing really saying it's wrong to do something unhealthy (unless maybe it forces something unhealthy on others, against their will). Technically, skydiving increases your odds of dying, or being injured. So? People do it for kicks. Being healthy, or unhealthy, depends totally on your own subjectivity. If you subjectively want to be healthy, only then you ought not do X. If you subjectively don't care about being healthy, then you ought to do X, if you want. This is nothing like morality. We don't say go ahead and randomly kill someone, if you want. We'll call it "immoral", but that no longer means it's behavior/actions you ought not do. Sam paraded around like a peacock, making out like he was a genius, making out like Hume wasn't all that, and that he was the one to have finally filled, or dodged, the is/ought gap .... Nope. He is a complete and utter moron, who never got beyond what he said was a given, from the outset, and was just too stupid to see it. He had filled the gap with subjectivity, just like everyone before him. He also showed his limited grasp on objectivity vs subjectivity, when fear mongering about AI. He didn't take the angle that people would be able to greatly misuse it (as is possible). No, he took the Terminator angle, that it would rise up against us! Except, it doesn't matter how "intelligent" a computer is, there's zero indication that one can set its own subjective goals. That's because they care about nothing. Any goals one has, has been programmed in. An AI would be following at least one human's goals. A super intelligent computer, knowing a lot of facts (objectivity), would still make none of its own decisions (subjectivity), because it just doesn't care about outcomes. Humans have to program in all the decision making. They might give it a little room to learn the most efficient route, between point A and point B, for example, but once it learns the most efficient route, that's the one it will stick with. It will never, in a billion years, decide to take the scenic route, all on its own, because it just doesn't care. It feels nothing, good or bad, when "seeing" things. Sam has been taking sci-fi way too seriously.
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  4063. How do you arrive at both sides of colonialism being wrong? Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  4119. The only "claim" that Zionism had to this specific land, was based on a fairy tale book. After living relatively peacefully in Muslim countries for 1300 years ... being given refuge when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile ... the Ottoman Empire even okaying the earliest form of Zionsim, which was more like immigration ... Zionist religious extremism, the switch to colonialism, changed everything. Jewish extremists believe in the OT/Tanakh, which is the worst book in the trilogy, by many miles. India represents almost the entirety of the Hindu world. It ranks lower than Saudi, for the treatment of women. And, now there are Hindutva fascists, running the country, persecuting Sikhs, Muslims, and Christians. Christian nuts, in Africa, actually campaigned against wearing protection, even telling people that condoms cause AIDS, as tens of millions of people died. Plus, there are plenty of other Christian extremists around. Europe and North America no longer represents the majority of the Christian world. The majority is represented by Central/South America, Africa, and Asia. The US likes to say "Mexican cartel", but there are some you could also describe as a "Christian cartel", that worship a saint of death, and chop off more body parts than ISIS did. Christian Brazil is also the deadliest place on the planet, to be gay. They also challenge Buddhist Thailand for the child sex tourism capital of the world. Psycho Buddhist monks have also been doing very bad things. Most suck pretty bad, if you actually take a hard look, and don't just focus on the one you've already predetermined is the worst. Ancestral spirit worship doesn't seem too fanatic.
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  4182. I have been watching, and after the Oct 7 attack, you threw anyone offering context usnder the bus with those outright cheering the attack. You said you didn't want to hear any explanations, then proceeded to give an explanation as to why and what Israel would do. You spent a show saying the bombing of the first refugee camp was bad, not the following refugee camp bombings, but basically ignored all the other bombing, as if that was perfectly normal. That first show, after the attack, you also did the standard bit about Israel being "progressive", and stuff, and Muslims not so much. Fascists, operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, aren't progressive. Colonizers aren't progressive. A country, where the actual majority was ethnically cleansed from, and never allowed to return, is no more democratic than Hitler having an election after purging his political opponents. You've been acting like an "enlightened centrist", both sides-ing, when Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  4186.  @libertybell5796  Sam Adams signed, even after fighting had broken out ... "For such arrangements as your Majesty's wisdom can form for collecting the united sense of your American people, we are convinced your Majesty would receive such satisfactory proofs of the disposition of the Colonists towards their Sovereign and Parent State, that the wished for opportunity would soon be restored to them, of evincing the sincerity of their professions, by every testimony of devotion becoming the most dutiful subjects, and the most affectionate Colonists. That your Majesty may enjoy a long and prosperous reign, and that your descendants may govern your Dominions with honour to themselves and happiness to their subjects, is our sincere prayer. John Hancock. New-Hampshire: John Langdon, Thomas Cushing. Massachusetts: Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine. Rhode-Island: Stephen Hopkins, Samuel Ward, Eliphalet Dyer. Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Silas Deane. New-York: Philip Livingston, James Duane, John Alsop, Francis Lewis, John Jay, Robert Livingston, Jr., Lewis Morris, William Floyd, Henry Wisner. New-Jersey: William Livingston, John De Hart, Richard Smith. Pennsylvania: John Dickinson, Benjamin Franklin, George Ross, James Wilson, Charles Humphreys, Edward Biddle. Delaware Counties: Cæsar Rodney, Thomas McKean, George Read. Maryland, Matthew Tilghman, Thomas Johnson, Jr., William Paca, Samuel Chase, Thomas Stone. Virginia: Patrick Henry, Jr., Richard Henry Lee, Edmund Pendleton, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Jefferson. North-Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes. South-Carolina: Henry Middleton, Thomas Lynch, Christopher Gadsden, John Rutledge, Edward Rutledge." https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Olive_Branch_Petition_1775
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  4252. AOC had donated to a number of progressives in conservative districts, in the last election. A bunch got creamed in the primaries, but a more conservative Dem did manage to win the district. The midterms are a totally different animal, and there will be a helluva fight to just try and hang on to their majority. Purple districts will be the hardest ones to try and hang on to. Dore knobs just don't care if Republicans get the majority, and don't care if progressives have even less power being in a minority party. Hell, they don't even care if progressives sit on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, for the next century. I've yet to run across a Dore knob that actually knows what was in the final version of the Capitol police bill, and what AOC's final vote was. All the first house vote actually did was send it to the senate, to have the shit amended out of it, just to be sent back to the house. AOC voted against it, when it came back. Her vote was irrelevant, because it had been amended enough to Republicans' liking to bring them onboard. The $15 did get a vote. It even passed the house, and got a senate vote. There's an ever so precious list of no voters. Weren't Dore knobs making out like they were going to do big things, with a list of no voters on an important policy? How come all they've done with this one is bitch about those who got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting and voted for it? The FTV "plan", out of Jimmy's mouth, before anyone else amended it, was for 15 progressives to simply "withhold their votes" or "not vote" for Pelosi. It's wording he used repeatedly. That wording implied abstaining, which would have given the speakership to McCarthy. Jimmy incorrectly thought it was impossible for McCarthy to win, because he thought you outright needed 218 votes to win. Drone strikes have dropped to almost nothing. Shouldn't Dore knobs be praising Biden, for that? They are such all or nothing puritan dimwits.
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  4273. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  4277.  @KingoftheJuice18  You were literally spouting strawman nonsense that I never said, and repeatedly trying to broaden category beyond what I said to a point where you could then imply I'm labelling too many people, when it was you who did it. I assumed you weren't dishonest, and simply misread and misunderstood. If you prefer me saying you're dishonest, then so be it. A guy named Mussolini conveniently wrote the doctrine of fascism, as well as an Italian encyclopedia entry on what is fascism, describing what he meant by "fascism". Plus some extra characteristics from common historical actions (Me not limiting characteristics strictly to what Mussolini wrote actually lessens who would be a fascist. I can broaden the category to only what he wrote, if you want.). If you don't allow that it can be identified by certain characteristics, then you don't allow that it exists. Republicans have checked off almost all those boxes, for decades. They took in the extreme anti-socialist McCarthy types, they took in the southern racists, they took in the religious extremists, they took in the Koch backed Tea Party nutters, and now Trump cultists and Qanoners. They've been fed so much propaganda that FOX viewers are less informed than people who watch no news at all. Even gerrymandering, disenfranchising, and suppression, already made them somewhat anti-democratic. Now, 28% of Republicans outright don't want Trump to concede under any circumstances, over a hundred Republican lawmakers wanted to overthrow an audited and certified election, that all election officials were saying was secure, and you're just not quite sure, yet. What would it take?
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  4336.  @secularsocialist  As a Dore knob, you should know that Dore himself argues to not just listen to people's words. A grifter will claim to be selling you one thing, but is actually selling you something completely different. Just pointing at things he claims to be for, isn't evidence of anything. What directions does he actually propose taking? On Rogan's show, Dore not only dishonestly peddled Ivermectin as a proven effective remedy, he peddled the further dishonesty that it's a proven effective preventative. The average price of a bottle of 20 Ivermectin pills is $100. If you take 1 a month, as a preventative, that's worth 3+ shots a year, if you take 1 a week, that's worth like 15 shots a year, and it's paid for out of pocket instead of free from the government. He also seemed fine with Rogan's $2000+ out of pocket "kitchen sink", as an alternative to getting the vaccine. He, and Max, also lied about the completely socialized UK healthcare system, while pandering to anti-vaxxers, making it also anti-socialized healthcare pandering. His anti-vax schtick has also been anti-socialized healthcare, and pro handing "big pharma" even more money out of pocket. Everyone at FOX is vaxxed. Being vaxxed doesn't mean you can't peddle anti-vax propaganda. He has been caught peddling misinformation, multiple times. If I spend hours telling people that skydiving is really really really dangerous, and then wrap the conversation up by saying you should try it. That wasn't a pro-skydiving conversation, dimwit. You're lying. He has a video called "Hillary Presidency Worse For Progressives & America Than Trump". That's just the reverse wording of Trump is better than Clinton. He outright peddled Trump as the better option. Tulsi was never to the left of Bernie on anything. He just didn't do his homework. “In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk. When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” - Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Tribune-Herald, 2016 Pretty much every US intervention, since 9/11, has used the war on terror as justification. You're the one lying. Dore's Boogaloo buddy clearly stated he was for an "extreme free market". Jimmy was fine with that, and promoted allying with that. Jimmy is the kind of "leftist" that winds up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives. I didn't criticize simply going on FOX, dimwit. Dore went on and agreed with Tucker's right wing framing of free speech and Trump being tossed off of social media. Dore, and Glenn, generally take the right wing framing. They don't point out that there's no such thing as free speech rights on someone else's private property. They don't point out that, if you want free speech, then public ownership is the way to get it. They don't point out that inciting an insurrection isn't even protected speech in public. Then, and this was right as the second impeachment was beginning, Dore threw in the off topic bone that he considered the first impeachment bogus, to help cast a shadow on the second impeachment. Then, he finally got to Assange, but plenty of right wingers like WikiLeaks, and Tucker has some pro Assange videos going back to a year before Dore was even on. Even that wasn't even a left wing issue. "Pressuring" and slandering are two different things. Dore slanders those who have been helping to add M4A yes votes to congress. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Pelosi has already reintroduced M4A again, this session (she also did last session), and it's sitting in committees again. Dore should be pressuring those currently sitting on the bill, instead of those who have co-signed it, and have been increasing the congressional vote count. Pretty much every direction Dore peddles benefits corporate Dems, or Republicans. At best, a third party gets you less than 400k voters and you're sitting in an irrelevant party. At worst, you convince enough progressives to split off their votes, to hand seats back to corporate Dems, or Republicans. All for some fantasy, that your perfectly perfect puritan progressive party won't produce another Kyrsten Sinema. You're bending so far backwards, to defend a grifter, that your head is up your ass.
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  4339.  @whyamimrpink78   That number is completely abnormal, compared to the rest of the developed world, because everyone has coverage in the rest of the developed world. Zero people are dying DUE to not having coverage. I don't know why you can't grasp this simple concept. If there are any deaths DUE to that specific reason, simply giving everyone coverage will outright eradicate that as a reason for someone dying. Nobody can die, DUE to lack of coverage, if everyone has coverage. This is really really simple, man. You are trying way too hard, to dodge a very simple fact. Understand? Show me you understand this very simple fact, by answering the following ... If every American has healthcare coverage, how many Americans will die DUE to a lack of healthcare coverage? You just seem to want to control for every tiny little thing, in some lame attempt to argue it's impossible to find the US system is bad, or that it's impossible to compare to others and find it's worse. You know that would also mean it's impossible to find the US system is good, right? But you've tried to argue that it is. If it's impossible to measure, if all measures are completely arbitrary, then you've got zero grounds for arguing it's a good system. "The study assessed mortality among uninsured and privately insured persons aged 17 to 64 years, controlling for demographic characteristics, smoking, alcohol consumption, body mass index, leisure time activity, self-rated health, and physician-rated health after the NHANES physician completed the medical examination." "In the main model, being uninsured was associated with a mortality hazard ratio of 1.40 (CI, 1.06 to 1.84)." https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2635326/relationship-health-insurance-mortality-lack-insurance-deadly The Commonwealth Fund study. You know, the doctor run organization. Not the American Enterprise Institute, run by Ayn Rand types. So, the Oregon study was all of 2 years, measured a handful of things, and included most of the healthiest ages to be, 19-64. It excluded the elderly, and children, who are most at risk. Still ... "it did increase use of health care services, raise rates of diabetes detection and management, lower rates of depression, and reduce financial strain." So, how do you think that diabetes and depression management would play out over 20 years, or more? How do you think the increased visits would affect the elderly, and children? There's nothing about pregnant women. How do you think increased visits would affect infant and maternal mortality? How is the reduced financial strain not an objectively better outcome than having increased financial strain? Firstly, you were the one all concerned, and singling out lifestyle choices, not me. That's a way to deal with lifestyle choices. Are you opposed to speeding and seatbelt laws? Secondly, you right wingers seem to be willy nilly with your support, or disdain, for consumption costs/taxes. You're perfectly good with corporations making billions using public roads and infrastructure while paying little to nothing for those things, want parents or students to cover their own education costs, want people to cover their own private healthcare costs, but if healthcare goes public you don't want people who make shit choices to pay a little more towards it. That's not "controlling" your life. That's simply charging you an extra fee for an express lane pass to needing healthcare. Like higher car insurance for young or bad drivers. Like higher life insurance for smokers.
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  4399.  @andrewwells6323  No, dumbass, as I've repeatedly said, you're just talking about different things than I am. That is you misrepresenting me. The overall economy doesn't refute anything I'm saying. You seem to think 2 $5/hr jobs is just as good, or an improvement from 1 $10/hr job. As individuals, the 2 $5/hr workers can buy less stuff. A decent paying job being automated, doesn't equate to an improvement for workers, even if it creates the same, or more, lower paying jobs. The workers are still fucked, at an individual level, and can't buy the same amount of the same stuff. People operating power looms were then paid shit, compared to hand loom weavers ... while overall cost of living was up ... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-loom_riots Automation to replace 800m jobs, globally, by 2030, and you might want read worst case scenario, if a country doesn't prepare, because the US sure as hell isn't good at preparing ... it also refers to hitting the middle class, and increasing wealth disparity ... https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/future-of-work/jobs-lost-jobs-gained-what-the-future-of-work-will-mean-for-jobs-skills-and-wages So, your 2 $5/hr workers then buy the cheapest shit they can find, just to get by, and neither can afford some of the things the $10/hr workers could. They can't afford to buy the same stuff. Walmart steps in with cheaply made crap, and shit paid employees, to sell to those workers, and their own shit paid workers. They then put some businesses selling better quality items, and/or paying employees better, out of business. Those people might then have to go work in the Walmart for shit. https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2405-real-cost-walmart.html With more and more shit wages, or stagnating wages, individuals can't afford to buy as many cars. So, here GM has some options ... a) take a hit in profit or exec salaries, and pay employees more, so they can buy cars; b) move the plant to Mexico, save a ton of money, and pass that savings on by drastically reducing prices of cars for customers; or c) move the plant to Mexico, save a ton of money, and keep that savings as profit. Unlike Walmart bringing in cheap poor quality, GM moves towards the same quality for cheaper ... but where are all the coinciding price reductions on vehicles? There aren't any. They're using it as a temporary way to increase profit margins. They'll be fucked once all of their plants are already in Mexico, and they need another way to cut costs, for a temporary rise in profits. They're paying people 10x less, in Mexico, yet moving a plant never results in a large reduction in price. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/jan/03/gm-now-top-automaker-in-mexico-as-it-idles-us-fact/ In fact, not only aren't prices on the same, or similar quality, items going down, overall, the cost of living keeps going up and up, while wages don't keep up. Meaning ... people can't afford to buy as much stuff. https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/09/25/real-wage-growth-is-actually-falling/ Based on your bullshit, cost of living outpacing wages shouldn't even be possible. In fact, outsourcing, automating, keeping wages down, laying off as many people as possible, etc., should actually be lowering the cost of living, by your argument, but I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe you think a handful of tech items represents how everything works?
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  4444.  @davidhughes4089  A big part of covid numbers has to do with the initial outbreak. Unfortunately, Boris didn't take things seriously enough, right out of the gate. There's a strong correlation between trace testing rates (tests per confirmed case) and covid spread. The UK's testing rate was even lower than the US' pathetic rate, early on. Both countries were testing 5 or less people per confirmed case, for months. Italy, Spain, and France, weren't much better, testing under 10 people per confirmed case. All of them had a pretty bad 2020. Once the cats were out of the bag, it was hard to try and gain control, and get ahead of the virus. Canada and Germany got up to 15+ fairly quickly. Denmark, Norway, and Finland, got up to 20+. They all had medium results. Canada's covid deaths per million rate, for example, would translate into 54k total UK covid deaths, instead of 150k, and would translate into about 250k total US covid deaths, instead of 850k. Countries like S Korea, Vietnam, Australia, and New Zealand, got their testing rates up to over 50 people per confirmed case, early on. They all had excellent results. Australia's deaths per million rate would translate into about 6k total UK covid deaths, and about 36k total US covid deaths. You just can't get ahead of the virus spread, testing only 5 people per confirmed case. If the infected person has been in the vicinity of 50 people, before testing positive, and you only test 5 of those people, then you only have a 10% chance of finding who they infected. If you aren't actively looking for asymptomatic carriers, then they'll just keep spreading it wildly. The UK is now up to almost 29, ahead of Canada at 22. Germany has dropped to 13. Australia is up to 71. New Zealand and others are testing in the hundreds per confirmed case. The US is up to 13, but things are so politically divided, you know that's going to be a lot higher with some people and a lot lower with others, who are just letting it spread now, and who are even legislating to oppose attempts to contain the virus anymore.
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  4475.  @gudmundursturluson7683  Rofl! The tea party was backed by the Koch brothers, and other far right donors that were pressuring all the Republicans in congress. There were constantly growing numbers of them. Republicans don't actually need to be pushed that hard to move further right. As you can see, the majority are plenty happy to support all out fascism. Plus, the only way a minority within a party can have any power over the majority, is if that majority is unwilling to work with the other party. If the non tea party Republicans had simply worked with enough Democrats, they could have passed whatever they wanted, and totally ignored the tea partiers. There are zero big donors pushing other Democrats to jump onboard with progressives. New congressional Dems aren't joining the progressive caucus weekly. Corporate Dems have no natural tendency to move left. Plus, the Manchin types are clearly willing to work with Republicans. Expecting similar results to the tea party would be completely moronic. They aren't, at all, samesies. Justice Dems have increased the progressive vote count. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass a bill. AOC helped add a few more, as well. She was on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, trying to add another. Dore slanders those progressives, who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. And, he publicly abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. Other countries don't have the same political system, or similar party divisions. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. Even if you magically got a significant percentage of progressives to vote third party, then Republicans would rule for decades to come, due to vote splitting. "Vote blue" works both ways. The vast majority of those who vote against progressives in the primaries tend to vote for them in the general. Any hope of Bernie becoming president would have relied on "vote blue" working for him. Progressives running as Dems has proven to be the far more effective way to win a seat than going third party has. Plus, you're not guaranteed a third party will only produce perfectly perfect puritan progressives. Green produced Kyrsten Sinema.
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  4488. Kyle, please do a segment on how a VAT actually works. It's built right into VAT systems that VAT registered businesses get their input VAT credited back to them. It is not a way to make corporations like Amazon "pay their fair share", as Yang falsely claims. While he's claiming it will force Amazon to pay taxes, Amazon is already operating in countries with a VAT and has their own tutorial page on how businesses get their input VAT credited back. https://services.amazon.co.uk/services/vat-resources.html "If the person or businesses that is buying is registered for VAT they can deduct the amount of VAT paid from his/her settlement with the tax authorities." https://www.hwca.com/accountants-hull/what-is-vat-input-and-vat-output/ "The GST takes into account the cost of inputs – the factors used in manufacturing or production – at each stage of the process to avoid double taxation. Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption." http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt) Since a VAT won't actually tax Amazon, and since their share of US consumer spending is 2%, handing consumers $3t will only make them an extra $60b a year, while still paying nothing in taxes. That would, in turn, make Bezos more money a year than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT. The very people Yang claims he's going after will only get richer from him.
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  4549. ​ @barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  4579. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  4648. What are you talking about? They've always criticized Bibi. And, the problem is bigger than just Bibi. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  4685. The crime rate jumped in 2020, under Trump, dumb dumb. Averaged out, Trump had more border crossings per year than Obama. He sucked worse than Obama at the one thing racists voted for him for. Trump also ended zero wars and dropped more bombs per year than Obama. Plus, pissed off Iran, backed out of nuke deal with Iran. Ignored his dictator buddy in N Korea, who is estimated to have built 30-40 nukes under Trump's watch. Gave Putin secrets about Israel. Gave some rando billionaire donor nuclear secrets. All his "peace" deals were nonsense, between countries that weren't really fighting. By Trump's own favorite measure, the stock market, his biggest gains were in his first year, under Obama's last budget. When his own first budget, and tax breaks for the rich and corporations, kicked in, the stock market almost flatlined. Dumpty had one of the worst pandemic responses in the world. Both, in terms of health and economic support for the people. Inflation and gas prices are up around the world. Nothing to do with Biden. The US is actually doing better than most. On top of all that, Trump is actually a lifelong criminal. His daddy had him committing tax fraud, when he was in diapers. He had to settle 2 suits for not renting to black Americans. He racked up $10.5m in fines, for improperly running his casinos. He and daddy were fined for gaming fraud, when daddy bought $3m in chips and didn't cash them in, to try and bail out his incompetent son. Settled suit for grifting his own Trump University fans. Guilty of rape and defamation. Guilty of bank fraud. That's not even getting into how divisive he is, with his hate and fear mongering.
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  4790.  @loverainthunder  The dynamics of power is that, on bills, there are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives. That makes it absolutely impossible to pass bills without the likes of Manchin. On the flip side, there is the entire Republican party to the right of Manchin, to try and draw extra votes from. If enough Republicans can be brought onboard a bill, then you can pass it without needing progressive votes. A standoff between the left end and right end, of the party, is far more likely to move a bill even further right, rather than left. With regard to the speakership vote, the house hasn't been paralyzed over a speakership vote in about a century. It's not some business as usual tactic. Starting an all out intra party war could have consequences. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. At that point, they could pick the party speaker candidate, at the Dem caucus. If there's an all out war, with corporate Dems, then they'll likely do the same thing right back at you, and you'll need them, and their votes, more than they need you, and your votes, to be able to pass anything. Okay, you've started a war, for what, exactly? A purely performance art vote. You get a new list of names of congress members that won't sign onto the bill every new session of congress. You have a list of names of politicians who wouldn't sign on, during a pandemic, for 2020. You have a list of names of congress members who haven't signed on, during a pandemic, for 2021. Surely, Dore, and his knobs, are pestering and pressuring every single one of the members of congress who haven't signed on, and organizing protests against them ... wait, what, Dore, and his knobs just keep harrassing and slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters? Pathetic. Pelosi actually introduced the M4A bill last session, where it died in committees. She has also already reintroduced the bill, this session, and it's sitting in committees. So, on top of the first two lists, you also have a list of committee members, who let the bill die, during a pandemic, and a list of committee members, who are currently sitting on the bill, during a pandemic. This ... this must be the group of people Dore, and his knobs, are pestering and pressuring, and organizing protests against, to get them to take up the bill ... wait, what, Dore, and his knobs just keep harrassing and slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters? Pathetic. Dore is a grifter. What he actually promotes is having progressives sit on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, handing the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and letting Republicans rule for decades to come.
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  4791.  @loverainthunder  People were pretty freaking energized to get rid of Trump. People like Dore promoted the idea of letting Trump win ... that he was a better option for progressives than Clinton. He had a fantasy that it would result in a massive progressive backlash, that would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He claimed that even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), instead of following him into outright fascism (wrong). He claimed that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). Letting Trump win was stupid. If those are the only two viable options, still get your asses out and vote the conservative Dem as a vote for that being the worst you want the country to go, instead of letting things get even worse under Republicans. Letting Trump win actually sent voters screaming into Biden's "more electable" arms. It hurt the progressive movement. Bernie started a movement immediately after an Obama presidency. The very premise of the argument, that you need to go backwards to go forwards is idiotic, and has no basis in reality. Going backwards, with Republicans, has shifted the country further and further right. If progressives actually want to move forward, then they should energetically vote to not go backwards, even if the primary doesn't go our way. Progressive candidates, themselves, are highly reliant on "vote blue". If they win the primary, the vast majority of Dems who voted against them in those primaries, will turn around and vote for them in the general. Any hope of Bernie becoming president, rested entirely on all Dems voting for him, in the general. We do need a blue team, that may not be entirely comprised of perfectly perfect puritan progressives, for things to go the progressives' way. I get being jaded, and disappointed, but stop the cycle of madness, and keep f*cking Republicans out of power, forever. They've gone completely bat shit crazy fascist, ffs. Trying to completely overthrow, and end, the democratic process, is the last box that needed checking, to move them from being undemocratic to anti-democratic. Worry about getting even more of them out of office, worry about getting more conservative Dems out of office, before flipping out on, abandoning, and wanting to replace, progressives who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. You don't think AOC used what little leverage she had effectively, so be it. But the reality is still that she helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, in just 2 years. That's more than any third party has done in 50 years. That is going against the DNC candidates. Recently backing Nina was AOC still going against the DNC candidate. That's not the "status quo". And, that is infinitely better than going outright backwards, with Republicans. Get a grip on reality and focus the jaded anger where it should be. This getting angriest with those most aligned to your own views, is nonsensical. Slandering the vast majority of progressives, and the vast majority of progressive voters who vote for them, as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", and writing them all off as no longer allies, because of some stupid secondary tactic, is lunacy. Getting so jaded and angry, because you didn't get your way, and not voting, or casting a useless vote, and letting Republicans back in power ... THAT is the "status quo". That is what has been happening for decades. All the covid misinformation is even more dangerous lunacy. Jimmy should be shut down, at this point. He is now making money off of encouraging people to die.
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  4795.  @scoogsy  Harris agreed it was already a given that, if you set a subjective goal, science can help you achieve that goal. If I want to go to the moon, science can tell me if something I do objectively moves me closer or further from that goal. Likewise, if you insert your own subjective idea of "well being" as your subjective goal, then science can also help achieve that goal. If Harris doesn't provide anything that gets you beyond that given, then he completely failed at showing how science can tell us what our goal should be ... a purely objective goal. He failed. He defeated his own hierarchy nonsense in a seperate article, where he fearmongers about AI that is as advanced beyond us as we are to ants. If his hierarchy was actually objective, then he should be arguing that we should do whatever the AI wants, that it has objectively more value than us, as we supposedly have objectively more value than ants. He then claims that all moral systems are about the "well being" of conscious creatures. If that's the case, then there are as many concepts of "well being" as there are concepts of moral systems. But, Harris moves on as if there is a singular concept of "well being" ... his own subjective one ... by which he can then "scientifically" judge all other moral systems. He can't seem to make an analogous analogy to save his life: Chess is a game with rules. It's not analogous to morality. It's analogous to laws (rules). Laws may be a reflection of a society's current morals, but they aren't themselves morality. People can come along and argue a law is itself immoral, just like they can come along and change game rules, if they want, and play a new way. "Healthy" and "unhealthy" don't include oughts. "Moral", on the other hand, is how we ought to behave, and "immoral" is how we ought not behave. He seems to be totally clueless as to what "poisoning" actually is, claiming some totally objective difference between "poison" and "food". "Poisoning" is simply too much of something in your system. We eat cyanide in apples. We can get poisoned from too much water. Most "poisonings" are overdoses of medications that are supposed to make us healthier. Harris failed, and never provided anything beyond what he agreed was already a given. He also failed at some pretty basic philosophy.
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  4840.  @Noodles1771  Are you on Dore's payroll? He makes more money than she does. Make up your dumbass Dore knob minds. Is using social media to spread progressive ideas worth anything, or not? You lot make out like her doing it is not of value and not doing anything, while making out like Jimmy is some kind of warrior of truth, and now you're crying that she's not doing it? You idiots are all over the place. She helped add more M4A yes votes to congress during the election. If that's "folding", then "folding" is what's needed to ever pass the bill. The $15 got a vote. It passed the house, the congressional body she belongs to. Remember when Dore and his knobs were claiming getting a vote on important bills was a big deal? The vote produced a list of no voters. Remember when Dore and his knobs made out like getting a list of no voters was a big deal? Now they think getting a vote is useless, and proved getting a list of no voters is pointless, because they aren't going to do anything with it anyway. Dore knobs are pathetic good for nothings, who just keep bitching about those who voted for it. Freezing student debt payments and interest, until the end of September, was one of the first things Biden did, dumb dumb. It hasn't been a pressing matter that needs to be immediately resolved. She, and others are pushing to extend the freeze again, until next March. At least the dimwit loudmouth Trump, and his cult, benefitted the far right, like they're supposed to. Why does dimwit Dore, and his Dore knob cult, also benefit the far right?
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  5000. @Robert Carlton Which of JFK's 3 points do you think are false? "But instead of holding out a helping hand of friendship to the desperate people of Cuba, nearly all our aid was in the form of weapons assistance - assistance, which merely strengthened the Batista dictatorship - assistance which completely failed to advance the economic welfare of the Cuban people - assistance, which enabled Castro and the Communists to encourage the growing belief that America was indifferent to Cuban aspirations for a decent life." "Secondly, in a manner certain to antagonize the Cuban people, we used the influence of our Government to advance the interests of and increase the profits of the private American companies, which dominated the island's economy. At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands - almost all the cattle ranches - 90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions - 80 percent of the utilities - and practically all the oil industry - and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports." "The third, and perhaps most disastrous of our failures, was the decision to give stature and support to one of the most bloody and repressive dictatorships in the long history of Latin American repression. Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years - a greater proportion of the Cuban population than the proportion of Americans who died in both World Wars, and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state - destroying every individual liberty."
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  5055. By every relevant measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  5067.  @anticom6099  No. I didn't say the books alone are the problem. I said they have a problem with the books. You're the one trying to pretend that they don't actually have a problem with the books, that it's only the books in combination with the teacher manuals that they have a problem with. It's you that's trying to make out like, if the teacher manuals weren't involved, they wouldn't have a problem with the books, when there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the books. The fact they they include "Anti-Mexican" in their complaint, because one of the books also shows examples of racism directed towards Mexicans, is another indicator they have a problem with the books. It's also an indicator that they're dishonest, because they're arguing the examples of racism towards black Americans is instead Anti-White, not Anti-Black. Examples of racism directed towards Mexicans should likewise be Anti-White, rather than Anti-Mexican. Anti-racism can only be Anti-White, if you're arguing white people are all racists. Is that what you're arguing? Is that what you're claiming the teachers' are saying? They don't teach that there were any white Americans involved in fighting against slavery, fighting to end segregation, or whatnot? That would be weird, if that were the case. But I highly doubt that is the case. How the f*ck is being against government authoritarianism itself authoritarianism? Have antifa stormed the Capitol to try and overthrow the democratic process, and install themselves an unelected dictator, or something? You're basically arguing American revolutionists were themselves authoritarians, just by fighting against authoritarianism. That's moronic. You're turning much of history into "fascism".
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  5070.  @anticom6099  No. They clearly state that they have a problem with the books and the manuals. They have a problem with the books. They have a problem with the manuals. Take away the books, and there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the manuals. Take away the manuals, and there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the books. You're the one clearly inventing a position for them, straight from your imagination. Rofl, did you go to PragerU, where they teach John Brown and Lincoln were bad guys, or something? Oh, and now you've gone and protected your own unsupported claim with another unsupported claim. There seem to be plenty of online lesson plans, and curriculum outlines, about abolitionists, Lincoln, and the Civil War. I think it's you, who should be the one showing the some teachers are teaching that emancipation came about with zero white people involved. Umm, it was a British colony, and they were British subjects, at the time, dimwit. They were fighting against their own Empire's police/military and their own government (including attacking people in positions filled by their own neighbors), and the Loyalists most definitely lived on the same land they did. You're nothing but projection, clearly being the one inventing a position for the complaining "moms", and clearly being the one reinventing history. How is a system that has police killing citens at 50x the rate of the UK, 150x the rate of Japan, an immeasurable hundreds of times more than the rate of Denmark, not authoritarian? US citizens are only killing each other at 4-5x the rate of those countries, while the police are killing citizens at 50-hundreds times more than they are. How is imprisoning more of the population than any other country in the world, including all the dictatorships, not authoritarian? Again ... when was it antifa stormed the Capitol to try and install their leader as an unelected dictator? Rofl. I like the way you say "over our republic". The R in USSR stands for Republics. The R in PRC stands for Republic. The important part is the US being a representative democracy, not being a republic. Basically every country that's not a monarchy is a republic. It's moron Republicans who constantly argue for a more undemocratic society, now even arguing for a completely anti-democratic society. Right wing loons: Communism/socialism never succeeds! Also right wing loons: China is killing us economically! Give it a rest, dimwit. If you think you sound any different than a million other right wing nutters, you're wrong. And, you're proving to be just as ignorant as the rest of them, as well.
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  5071.  @anticom6099  Nope. What is explicitly stated is that they have a problem with books and manuals. You have only provided evidence that you have severe reading comprehension problems and a vivid imagination. Nothing you blathered changes the absolute fact that they were British subjects, living in a British colony ... a colony, btw, that had recently needed protection during the French-Indian War. They were fighting against their own King, not someone else's King. They were fighting against their own parliament, not someone else's. They were fighting their own police/military, not someone else's. Their neighbors were amongst those in appointed positions. Their neighbors were the Loyalists. There are loyalists whose ancestry traces to the Mayflower, and even before the Mayflower. You saying their was a clear difference is just you providing more evidence that you are a complete ignoramus. Oh geez, now you're bringing out the evidence that you're an absolute loon. So, you believe that the most racist states ... where the majority voted against abolitionists and voted for slavery, for decades, where the majority voted for secessionists, where the majority was willing to kill and die for the "right" to own and abuse other human beings (which is what their new constitution was largely about) ... states where the majority (from both parties) then continued to vote for Jim Crow and segregationists for another hundred years, states where folks were perfectly fine with lynchings and the KKK ... just magically up and became the least racist voters, now representing the least racist states, voting for the least racist party, almost overnight. Rofl! The fact that all the Republicans, in those states, also voted against Civil Rights, indicated Republicans were just as racist, in those states. The fact that the Democrat president created the bill ... the fact that the majority of Democrats passed the bill ... didn't, at all, push all those racists in those more racist states to start simply voting for the racist Republican candidates instead of the racist Democrat candidates, from their racist states? Nope, they just magically stopped being racists, according to lunatic right wingers, like you. And the vast majority of the millions of black Americans ... who left those more racist states during the great migration, and moved to those less racist states, and started voting for those Northern Democrats (which represented the majority of Democrats that voted for Civil Rights, just like Northern Republicans did), and have become a significant percentage of Democrat representatives ... must be completely clueless as to which party is more racist. By your own standards, you've provided evidence you're a racist, by portraying black Americans as violent and stupid. Red states, where it tends to be easier to get a gun, actually tend to have both higher firearm mortality rates and higher homicide rates. The per capita gun violence capital of the US is St Louis Missouri, not Chicago. Chicago, the place right wingers keep blathering about, isn't even top 10. Don't pretend like you care if people shoot each other, as you're providing them the environment it's easiest to get a gun in. US civilians are killing each other at 4-5x the rate of those countries, while the police are killing civilians at over 50x the rate of those countries. That's just a fact. US police are the most violent gang on the streets. Rofl!! Aaaaand, now you've provided evidence you're a cultists. There is zero evidence the election was rigged, you nutbar. Did you ask Santa for a JFK Jr, for Christmas? No. Trying to save lives is not the dictionary definition of "fascism". And, yes, it saves lives. Australia's covid death rate would translate into about 26k total US covid deaths, instead of 826k. 75-90% of those dying are unvaccinated. The hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated is 89x that of the vaccinated. Smoking has been pretty much banned indoors everywhere. Smokers have to pay higher insurance rates. Smokers have to pay extra taxes. Every single state already has vaccine mandates for public school kids. The federal government already has vaccine mandates for the military and immigrants. That's the kind of thing you're whining and crying about. Literally, NOT the definition of fascism, but instead health and safety measures, the likes of which have been around for over a century. At this rate, there will be about a million fewer Republican voters, by 2024, due purely to stupidity. Dumpty was doing business in China, he leases property to the bank of China, he sold Ivanka's condo to a Chinese lobbyist ... Mitch is married into a family that runs a Chinese company, that buys government made boats, that gets government loans, and that has another daughter on the board at the bank of China ... Republicans are kissing plenty of China ass. Dumpty did no real damage to China, but he did do some significant damage to American farmers. Good thing Trump was still able to have wealth redistributed to those according to their need, from those according to their ability, and help those farmers out, considering it's such a terrible philosophy, that will soon fail. Yes, I did rebut your plainly bullshit statement by calling it bullshit. That's the only rebuttal a bullshit strawman deserves. Just the fact that you think overemphasizing anti-racism could possibly be the "most racist", when you've got states that still have Confederate "Heroes" Days, when you've got hate crimes rising, when you've got unite the right rallies with people marching with Confederate and Nazi flags, anti-Semitic tiki torch marchers, a "leader" telling citizens (even ones born in the US) to go back where they came from, a "leader" that likes to reminisce about the good ol' civil rights era when you could beat protesters, when you've got PragerU making out like slavery was good, when you've got Tucker peddling replacement propaganda, etc., etc., etc. You: But, but, but ... that teacher pointed out there was racism one too many times! They are the most racist!!!!!!!!! F*ck off, with that bullshit. You don't know what "evidence" means. The only evidence you've provided is evidence that you're an ignorant, idiotic, lunatic, death cultist, that's living in some alternate reality.
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  5159.  @whyamimrpink78  A surge in demand can cause inflation, which happens when you reopen. Your argument against Biden is incoherent, if you actually wanted Trump to provide more covid relief, as well. The house had already passed two different HEROES Acts. All the senate had to do was vote either through. McConnell didn't even allow a vote on either. You're spewing nonsense. Countries with much better pandemic responses also tended to have better economies, and it wasn't because they did nothing and simply stayed open no matter what. Almost all of the best response countries quickly had very high testing rates (tests per confirmed case), testing 50+ people pcc. The mediocre response countries, were testing 15+ people pcc. The US, on the other hand, had a pathetic covid testing rate, testing about 5 people pcc, for months, that Trump did nothing about. The US had pathetic mask use, encouraged by Trump. If things were getting out of control, in some areas, and more severe measures were taken, Trump encouraged defying them. Nothing you blathered about states, or your politician anecdotes, was an actual argument that they had better economies or better health responses. Just a big nothingburger. Nope. There's no evidence ows actually sped up the development of vaccines. Again, the first one out of the gate had nothing to do with ows, and others that had nothing to do with ows were coming out at similar times to those that did. At most ows was about ordering enough supply and distributing it. Trump didn't order as much as he could, didn't leave enough of a supply, and wasn't prepared to distribute as much as he possibly could.
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  5163.  real progressive  Fuck you're a moron. The Ottoman Empire welcomed hundreds of thousands of Jews fleeing Christian Spain, where they lived for hundreds of years. They allowed for controlled Zionism to start. They decriminalized homosexuality, when many Christian countries still considered it a crime or mental illness. They weren't any more aggressive than any of the other empires of the times ... made treaties with Christian nations ... allied with Christian nations. No, the West didn't create ultra-conservative Wahhabism, but they did take that fairly liberal Ottoman Empire, carved it up, and the UK handed a bunch of pieces to ultra-conservative Wahhabi dictators. As the UK phased out, the US phased in. France left Syria with a democratically elected government. When it voted against an oil pipeline, the US backed a coup. Iran's democratically elected PM was taking power away from the puppet Shah and was going to nationalize Iran's oil. The US backed a coup. In Iraq, a popular revolutionary leader had overthrown their puppet dictator, and was going to nationalize Iraq's oil. The US backed a coup. In Afghanistan, communists overthrew their puppet dictator, and wanted to expand education and women's rights to the poor. The US trained and armed Jihadists to take them out. So ... put ultra-conservatives in power, supported them economically and militarily as they spread their Wahhabism around, took out more liberal Muslims, helped suppress more liberal Muslims, etc., and considering the US trained the extremists who attacked them, yes they've caused some extremism, dumb dumb.
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  5200. @UCy9d4PdVUo2g4EwmwgFwfcg Buddy, I'm a Canadian. Our politics are almost entirely left of US politics and, personally, I almost can't score any further left, or further libertarian, on a political compass test. Economically, most US Democrats are to the right of our Conservative party. I think both the US parties suck ass, and I struggle with not believing that the US is a majority of morons, for not voting Bernie, and for not joining the rest of the developed world. I also understand the benefit of having a viable third party (NDP, which I vote for) and, under normal circumstances, might support not voting Democrat, letting an average Republican be president, let the Democrat party fall apart, and pushing for a third party to rise up. Having said that, it's not normal times. US Republicans are outright cookoo for cocopuffs insane. They're letting hundreds of thousands of people die, and you've got 70m people who look like they'd be willing to close the door on democracy, and check the final box for outright fascism, just to keep Trumpty Dumpty in office. That's not the time to be bashing the most progressive people you've got. Whether you're a full blown USSR style communist, an underground anarchist, or a US crony capitalist (all totally not in the same tribe) you team up and take out the damn fucking fascists ... pronto. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the fucking psychos should be your biggest enemy. Have your cold war with the corporate Dems later, or on the side, but stay focused on who the biggest threat is. Bannon is calling for heads. Jones is calling for a revolution. Oath keepers are saying they're armed and ready, when Trump gives the word. Proud Boys are standing by. But, hey, let's take this time to bash AOC and make baseless bullshit claims that progressives are just there for appearances, as if the corporate Dems actually wanted progressives to win instead of fighting them tooth and nail. That's getting into some conspiracy crap and, whatever the case, they should be the last people on your hit list. That's if you actually want to move the US left, which I'm no longer sure Jimmy does. I stopped watching because Jimmy was seeming more and more like a Sam Harris type, claiming to be more liberal than the liberals he was constantly bashing, while spouting all kinds of crap far right nutters would lap up. And, no, the odd swing at a Republican, every blue moon, doesn't balance things out.
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  5233. Netanyahu is the biggest Hamas supporter, and Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through. Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  5249.  @t-swizzle8102  Rofl! Do you know what a false equivalency is? The Tea Party was backed by leading Republican donors, like the Koch brothers, who were also pressuring Republican members of congress to move further right. Are there any major Democratic donors pressuring Democrats to move left? No? Republicans have a natural predisposition to moving right, anyway. Do corporate Dems have a natural predisposition to moving left? No? With that pressure on congress members Tea Party numbers were regularly increasing, as members converted. Are corporate Dems converting to being progressives? No? And, the only thing that gave Tea Party members the power to block any bills, was the other Republicans' unwillingness to work with Democrats, instead. All they had to do was make some concessions to Democrats, bring enough Democrats on board, and pass the bill without needing Tea Party votes. Do corporate Dems have a complete unwillingness to work with Republicans? No? There's no equivalence to the Tea Party's situation. It's math, dimwit. There are zero extra votes to the left of progressives. It is absolutely impossible to pass a bill without Manchin. On the other end, there is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from. Bring one Republican on board, and it's entirely possible to pass a bill without Bernie. Bring enough house Republicans on board and it's entirely possible to pass a bill without the squad. If corporate Dems are willing to work with Republicans, a stand off will more likely end up pushing a bill further right, not left. Empty virtue signalling is going on and on, for a f*cking year about a missed chance to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, ffs. A performance art vote would get you no closer to getting M4A. Fighting to increase numbers in congress actually does move you closer to being able to pass the bill. You dimwitted Dore knobs have things completely backwards. Dore is sitting in his $2m garage and not giving a shit if anyone ever gets healthcare. That's why he doesn't care if the country goes outright backwards, and 10m of the poorest Americans are thrown off of Medicaid expansion. That's why he doesn't care if you sit on the sidelines for the next century. That's what he doesn't care, when he helps another grifter campaign against Bernie. That's why he didn't care, when he abandoned Nina. He's a grifter, dimwit. His increasing right wing audience should have clued you in. Or, maybe you're one of them, just pretending. You're more upset at Democrats, that you only got $1400, than you are at Republicans, every one of which voted against giving you anything? $1400 and $0, is totally samesies, to you? No difference? Just how dumb are you? Plus the unemployment extension they all voted against. Plus the eviction moratorium they all voted against. Plus repeatedly extending the freeze on student loan payments and interest (How are you still having to make student loan payments?), that they're all opposed to. Rescinding numerous Trump executive orders is totally samesies as Trump signing those orders. Signing a.number of new beneficial executive orders is totally samesies as not signing those orders. A near end to drone strikes is totally samesies as Trump dropping more bombs than Obama. Oh, oh, but I'm a brain dead Dore knob ... look at this thing that hasn't changed ... they're totally samesies!!! You're obviously the one that doesn't care, dimwit, if you have the luxury to let Republicans, and corporate Dems, rule for decades to come. Whatever you think of current progressives, running as a Dem is clearly the more effective way for a progressive to win a seat in congress, and remove a corporate Dem.
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  5272. People use words differently. Narrow definition "atheism" = the belief that gods don't exist. That is the way the word was originally constructed, athe(os)-ism. That was, by far, the most common definition, when Huxley came up with "agnosticism". It is still the most common definition outside atheist circles. Huxley's 19th century "agnosticism": "Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." George H Smith promoting using the less common broad/weak/negative definition of atheism, in the 1960s: "Critical atheism presents itself in various forms. It is often expressed by the statement, “I do not believe in the existence of a god or supernatural being.” This profession of non-belief often derives from the failure of theism to provide sufficient evidence in its favor. Faced with a lack of evidence, this explicit atheist sees no reason whatsoever for believing in a supernatural being." George, on narrow/strong/positive atheism: "Critical atheism also assumes stronger forms, such as, “God does not exist” or, “The existence of a god is impossible.” These assertions are usually made after a particular concept of god, such as the God of Christianity, is judged to be absurd or contradictory. Just as we are entitled to say that a “square-circle” does not and cannot possibly exist, so we are entitled to say that the concept of god, if it entails a contradiction, does not and cannot possibly exist." If the more popular narrow definition is used: "Notice that agnosticism emerges as a third alternative only if atheism is narrowly defined as the denial of theism."
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  5279. What's more pathetic than theists who don't know the elaborate and lengthy histories of their chosen religions? A-theists who don't know the history of two damn words. They also don't seem to know that they're actually a minority of people who use the word that way. Even on surveys, more non-theists choose "nothing" or "agnostic" than choose "atheists. Most of the people you're claiming as a-theists aren't using the word that way, at least not to self-identify with. The word was put together atheos + ist, someone who believes gods do not exist, some 100 years before there even was a word "theist". There was no word "theist" to attach a prefix to. For any claim:X, you can believe it’s true, believe it’s false, or have no belief either way. Person A: belief X is true, no belief X is false Person B: no belief X is true, no belief X is false Person C: no belief X is true, belief X is false Considering B and C the same thing, just because they share "no belief X is true", makes as much sense as considering asexuals and homosexuals the same thing. Here's a Sesame Street game... Which one of these things, is not like the others, which one of these things just doesn't belong? Polytheist = someone who believes in many gods Polytheist =/= many theists Pantheist = someone who believes everything is god Pantheist =/= everything is a theist Monotheist = someone who believes in a single god Monotheist =/= a single theist Zootheist = someone who believes an animal is godlike Zootheist =/= an animal theist Amoralist = someone who adheres to the doctrine that there are no morals Amoralist =/= not a moralist Abiogenist = someone who believes in abiogenesis Abiogenist =/= not a biogenist Atonalist = someone who creates atonal music Atonalist =/= not a tonalist Athe-ist = someone who believes no gods exist Athe-ist =/= not a theist A-theist =/= someone who believes no gods exist A-theist = not a theist
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  5282. Ryan Marshall I quoted the exact man who defined agnosticism as a philosophy, dumbass. "That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe, without logically satisfactory evidence; and that reprobation ought to attach to the profession of disbelief in such inadequately supported propositions." In what reality is considering it "immoral" to form beliefs about objective truth claims with no objective evidence, compatible with forming beliefs with no objective evidence? Or, do you also have a reading comprehension problem? belief: “I say, strive earnestly to learn something, not only of the results, but of the methods of science, and then apply those methods to all statements which offer themselves for your belief. If they will not stand that test, they are nought, let them come with what authority they may.” or believes: "Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." believe: "I trust that I have now made amends for any ambiguity, or want of fulness, in my previous exposition of that which I hold to be the essence of the Agnostic doctrine. Henceforward, I might hope to hear no more of the assertion that we are necessarily Materialists, Idealists, Atheists, Theists, or any other ists, if experience had led me to think that the proved falsity of a statement was any guarantee against its repetition. And those who appreciate the nature of our position will see, at once, that when Ecclesiasticism declares that we ought to believe this, that, and the other, and are very wicked if we don't, it is impossible for us to give any answer but this: We have not the slightest objection to believe anything you like, if you will give us good grounds for belief; but, if you cannot, we must respectfully refuse, even if that refusal should wreck morality and insure our own damnation several times over. We are quite content to leave that to the decision of the future. The course of the past has impressed us with the firm conviction that no good ever comes of falsehood, and we feel warranted in refusing even to experiment in that direction."
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  5284. All the laws were already there. 3 Subsection 318(4) currently: (4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, or mental or physical disability. C-16 amendment: (4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability. 4 Subparagraph 718.‍2(a)‍(i) currently: (i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or any other similar factor, C-16 amendment: (i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity or expression, or on any other similar factor, 1 Section 2 of the Canadian Human Rights Act currently: 2 The purpose of this Act is to extend the laws in Canada to give effect, within the purview of matters coming within the legislative authority of Parliament, to the principle that all individuals should have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs accommodated, consistent with their duties and obligations as members of society, without being hindered in or prevented from doing so by discriminatory practices based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability or conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered. C-16 amendment: 2 The purpose of this Act is to extend the laws in Canada to give effect, within the purview of matters coming within the legislative authority of Parliament, to the principle that all individuals should have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs accommodated, consistent with their duties and obligations as members of society, without being hindered in or prevented from doing so by discriminatory practices based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, disability or conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered. 2 Subsection 3(1) of the Act currently: 3 (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered. C-16 amendment: 3 (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.
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  5419.  Judge Parker  If you think the parties haven't changed, then you're simply brain dead. Republicans have given a home to extreme anti-socialist McCarthy types, religious extremists, racists (the Nazi and Confederate flag wavers and Tiki torch carriers show up at "Unite the Right" rallies and Trump insurrections), religious extremists, Reaganomics and neocons, gun fanatics, Tea Party nutters, the Trump cult, and now Qanoners. It has become a party of lunatics. Parties didn't used to vote along party lines. Sure, 38% of Dems in congress voted against the Civil Rights Act, but so did 20% of Reps. If you're going to use the minority of congressional Dems to make out like they were a racist party (ignoring that they introduced the bill), that "logic" should apply to Reps, as well, making them both racist parties, at the time. Black voters, themselves, have almost entirely migrated to the Dem party, since then. What ... are the vast majority of black Americans racist against themselves? Do you think the vast majority of black Americans can't recognize which party does, and doesn't, give a home to racists? Republicans just got done letting Trump (the government) convince tens of millions of them not to believe any media, any politicians, any judges, any lawyers, any election officials, any intelligence agencies, any police, any military, any doctors, any nurses, any scientists ... anybody ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradicted Supreme Leader Trumpty Dumpty. Republicans aren't like the founders, who protested and rioted against authority and taxes that specifically funded the police/military. They are the authority, who back the police/military, and instead chose to fight against democracy to keep an unelected ruler in power. Republicans are the good loyalists to authority.
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  5430.  @fubarace1027   Talk about bullshit. Some racists in X doesn't equate to being just as racist as Y, if there has far more racists in Y. It's more and less. Trying to make out like there was the same percentage of racists in states where the majority of voters voted for abolitionists as states where the majority of voters voted for anti-abolitionists, is just moronic. The same goes for voting for anti-segregationists vs voting for segregationists ... which only ended about 50 years ago. There are still black Americans alive who lived under it, and still white Americans who voted for it. Trying to make it all sound like some ancient history is also bullshit. The southern strategy is also documented, by Republicans themselves. What "history" are you preserving? The statues were put up decades after the fact, by a group of racist Southern women. Either you're honoring those willing to kill and die for the "right" to enslave others, or you're honoring the work of a bunch of racist women, that were largely a sister group to the KKK. There's zero evidence that having no statues of Nazis led to Nazis being erased from history. There's zero evidence that ripping down a statue of Saddam erased him from history. It was simply the act of ripping down a monument to an asshole. If there so much less racism than 50 years ago, why do they still need stupid shit like this explained to them? In 2021, why the hell are there still Confederate Memorial Days, even called Confederate Heroes Day, in some Southern states? They're either more racist or more stupid.
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  5589.  @meganalves9967  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  5630.  @bravesirkevin  You seem to be moving the boyfriend into the position of the publisher, or whatnot, and giving him the ability to outright stop her from associating with someone else, completely against her will, rather than simply giving her an ultimatum, and letting her choose. If she's the one making the decision, and he's the one giving an ultimatum, then she's the publisher. She's the one with the power to make the final decision. You seem to be ignoring that she could choose to keep the friend and ditch the boyfriend. You're trying to deny his right to say "it's me or them". You're trying to deny his right to not want to associate with the other person she has brought into his life, allowed into the space he's in. You've also repeatedly agreed that it's okay to give an ultimatum, with every example I've given that includes what you agree is a valid reason to do so. Which, again, means your "analogy" could only come anywhere close to actually being analogous if there was absolutely zero valid reason for giving the ultimatum. Who decides that? And, the whole point of bringing up the Dixie Chicks, was to point out hypocrisy. Those pro war nationalist right wingers made out like they had a valid reason for trying to cancel the Dixie Chicks, and now many of those same people are crying about "cancel culture", as if cancelling is always wrong. You seemed to be straddling that same hypocrisy line, where you agree to cancelling if you agree with the reasons, but we're still trying your damnedest to make out like cancelling, in general, is "abuse". Again, who is asking for people to be cancelled for absolutely zero reason? It's not really a thing, right? So, you are determining that reasons you agree with are valid reasons to cancel, and reasons you don't agree with are "abuse". You need to be arguing against specific reasons, arguing why you think it's wrong for those reasons, and give up making out like it's always wrong, because you already completely failed in that department.
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  5804.  @greenith  Oh geezus. Firstly, you mixed up input VAT and output VAT, indicating you clearly have no clue what you're talking about. Secondly, it's pure bullshit that businesses would keep the price exactly the same. Yang's linked to pass through rate study, on his own VAT page, even debunked his bullshit. Regarding the "central question", it found a 100% pass through on on standard rated goods and services. The pass through rate only lowered by including partially rated goods and services, including the large amount of zero rated staples. Including zero rated goods and services is only relevant to overall CPI or inflation, not who pays, because nobody is paying on zero rated, 0% pass through, goods and services. Not only do businesses not eat the tax, it found that most "prepared" months ahead of time, raising their prices and pocketing the extra, until the VAT increase actually kicked in. Thirdly, you're horrible at math. The $20 in the $220 is the VAT. They don't owe $22 on $220. They owe the $20 on $200, -$10 for their INPUT VAT, leaving them a $50 profit, exactly as before. Lastly, you are completely missing the fucking point of the government intentionally crediting businesses back their INPUT VAT. It's exactly so they DON'T consider it a cost, which would cause cascading taxes upon taxes, making things even worse. The VAT is outright trying to avoid taxing businesses. Look at this again. The final consumer pays $2 on the final $20 value. The government gets $2. The businesses all get paid back in full. It was never intended to tax the businesses. The result is the same as a 10% sales tax on $20. https://images.app.goo.gl/jkmycdqrbgQgzTL46
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  5830.  @joshboston2323  Well, there's his nonsensical morality argument, that includes him using completely garbage "analogies". One being using chess as an "analogy" to morality, and calls it a game of pure objectivity. But, chess has rules, which is an analogy to having laws, not to morality. And, those rules were created by the subjective decisions of its creator, people make the subjective decision to play or not, people make the subjective decision whether they actually want to win or not (might want to let their kid win), people make the subjective decision whether they want to use alternative rules or not, ... He also argues against himself, first claiming all variations of morality are about "well being". If true, that would mean everyone has a different idea of what "well being" entails, everyone has a different subjective concept of "well being". But then he makes out like his version of "well being" is objective and uses it to judge other versions of "well being" as worse. He doesn't ever actually get beyond his initial statement about the consensus being that science/objectivity, can't tell you what main goal to set, but once you subjectively decide on a main goal, science/objectivity can tell you, objectively, whether a course of action will bring you closer to, or further from, reaching that goal. All he did was stick in his own subjective version of "well being", as the main goal. It was complete nonsense, by a dimwit who thinks he's smarter than Hume. There's also his fearmongering about AI, as if an AI having more knowledge (objectivity), giving an example of an AI that's more intelligent to us than we are to ants, will somehow lead to it turning against us (subjectivity). There's zero indication we can even create an AI with its own subjectivity, its own ability for primary goal setting. You have to worry about the programmers who are programming in the primary goals, not an AI suddenly up and deciding it wants to organize paperclips, one day. An AI has no personal desires.
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  5848. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  6001.  @zachdave2994   @zachdave2994  Lol, you're like someone arguing a medium, or minimum, security prison, isn't a prison. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  6010. Shouldn't anyone who supports Likud, and Netanyahu, be censured? Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan" ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  6055. ​ @barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  6075. Most isn't all. There will be a pocket of people already collecting $1000 per month, or more, in assistance who will be worse off if most things cost at least 10% more. Any plan to help the poor shouldn't hurt some of the poor. Also, a single parent's $1000 per month isn't going to go nearly as far as a single non-parent's $1000 per month. Any plan for the poor that doesn't factor in children, and give an increase for children, is crap, especially if things for the children will cost at least 10% more. We exempt basic staples here in Canada, but that doesn't include clothing, which growing kids can plow through, toys, or other entertainment. On top of having a negative effect on some amount of poor people, he is completely bullshitting that a VAT is a way to make corporations like Amazon "pay their fair share". Corporations simply collect the tax and pass it along to government. The consumers pay the tax. Many who do end up in the plus will actually spend their extra money on corporations like Amazon, making Amazon even more money. That, in turn, will make people like Bezos even more money, and the more money someone has, the more they hoard. Hoarded money isn't affected by a VAT. The upper middle class and lower end rich, who already spend a lot but don't hoard as much, will be the ones paying into the VAT the most, as a percentage of their income/wealth. Yang's plan, as is, will hurt some poor people, hurt the upper middle class and low end rich, while making giant corporations and the super rich even richer.
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  6084.  @putinpuppet2063   Sure, empirical senses can be flawed, which is why we have more and more people make observations for things like science, to minimize the chance of flawed observations. Assuming parts are working properly, they're fairly objective, and what one person sees another person sees. Flawed parts doesn't make for a "subjective" observation, it just makes for an incorrect observation. Even a camera could be out of focus, have a scratch, or a microphone could be glitching, etc. Doesn't make their observations "subjective", just incorrect, or flawed. What would be an example of a purely objective wrong decision? Right, Ben is full of all kinds of crap, and is quite dishonest about his facts over feelings mantra. There's no factual evidence to support his religious beliefs. I said make it matter, not make it a fact. I also outright said above that objectivity, facts, truth ... should be independent of any subjectivity. Him simply stating that life begins at conception, isn't actually an argument for action, one way or the other. He states that fact like there's then an automatic objective, emotionless, jump right to anti-abortion, simply because it's "life". So it's "life". So what? That doesn't actually matter without subjectivity. Ben subjectively cares about that zigot and doesn't want it harmed. His feelings are his actual argument, not his fact. Right, an action can't be taken without subjectivity. Not helping someone? Either A, you don't care either way, which means you didn't actually make a decision (like I said above, a robot would sit there observing ... that's not "deciding" not to act, it just doesn't give a crap, so doesn't act ... neither would a vacuum cleaner). B, you subjectively have a desire to see what happens if you don't help, so decide not to. C, you subjectively fear more for your own safety if you try to help, than you do theirs, so decide not to. Or, some other subjective reason to actually decide not to. How could you actually decide not to act without subjectivity?
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  6098. @Christopher Bradley That made no sense, since the reality is that Dore, and others of his ilk, have drawn the hardest lines. If you don't agree with just a single stupid pointless plan, then you get slandered as a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", or whatnot. Slandering and "self criticizing" are two different things, and if you attack those who are closest to you, the most, and those who want to go completely backwards, the least (if at all), then you end up sounding mich like FOX. Since when did the left give up on sensible gun control, that works in most other developed nations, including all the ones ranked higher than the US on freedom indexes? Rittenhouse should have never been wandering the streets with a gun, in the first place. He would have been arrested long before the shootings in pretty much every other developed country. But, since he was, compare it to another case, where a guy shot up a church. A neighbor from down the street ran down to the church with his gun. He didn't see what was going on inside the church. He then shot at the armed gunman who came out of the churh. The gunman, who had been shot then got in his vehicle and sped off. Another man drives up and the neighbor guy jumps in that vehicle, tells him what happened, and they chase after the gunman at 95 mph. The gunman drove into a ditch and died of his gunshot wounds. US law has allowed people, who didn't witness the crime, but think they're chasing a murderer, to use even deadly force. The Rittenhouse case goes against that. The Rittenhouse verdict would seemingly allow the church gunman to have killed the two men chasing after him, and shooting at him, in "self defense". Ironically, that seems to allow people to shoot "good guys with guns" in "self defense".
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  6118.  @secularsocialist  Just how slow are you? I didn't claim simply giving opinions on YouTube and making money was grifting. I clearly spelled out what I meant by grifting. A grifter, like a snake oil salesman, claims to be selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful. Incredibly ironic, you claiming others are lying and strawmanning. Nope, you're lying. He claimed Ivermectin was both an effective remedy and an effective preventative, on Rogan's show. He got caught in that lie with his first video on his new right wing platform, Rumble. Probably signed a deal, like his grifter friend Glenn did, for some of that Peter Thiel money ... made from working with the CIA, btw. By Jimmy's own "logic", he himself is both a grifter and a CIA agent. You also lied about what he did with his dishonest comparison of rates based on totally different math. Nope. He outright promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, and made up some delusional fantasy to justify what he was saying, none of which came true. Promoting voting for Stein is also promoting letting Trump win. In no reality was she going to win, right. So you're just promoting not voting for the only viable alternative to Trump. I know what actual anti-vax people say. They say covid is like a cold or flu, isn't that bad, so isn't worth getting vaccinated. Dore lying that covid deaths are "WILDLY inflated", by over 10x, supports their position. They claim there are alternatives to vaccines, and Dore promoting Ivermectin, and other unproven crap, as effective, supports their position. They claim the vaccine side effects are worse than covid. Dore constantly going on about negative side effects, while never pointing out that the rates for the same things, like tinnitus or myocarditis, are much much higher with those who get covid, supports their position. They claim it's some big pharma scam and Dore peddling that it's some big pharma scam, supports their position. Nope. Tulsi wasn't to the left of Bernie on anything. Bernie said no intervention in Venezuela. Bernie spoke out against the right wing coup, and in favor of Morales, in Bolivia. Bernie called airstrikes on Syria illegal and unauthorized. Dore, and his knobs, just didn't do their homework. Jimmy's guest clearly stated he was for an "extreme free market" and Dore clearly promoted allying with him. Boogaloos are psychos, that want to start a civil war, ffs. Rofl! Dore literally brings up the bill of rights, with Carlson, you dishonest lying dimwitted Dore knob. That's exactly what he was talking about. While also peddling the right wing bullshit, that giant corporations, owned by centibillionaires, are "the left". He's his own best joke. Fighting to add more yes votes to congress, when getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass a bill, is the most important fight. Dore has actively worked against doing just that, and slanders people who have done just that. He's a grifter, who claims he's for X, but is actually peddling you Y and/or Z.
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  6124. Likud platform, "between the sea and the Jordan" ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  6158.  @sergeikhripun  Yeah, and Tucker had pro Assange videos going back a year before Dore was even on. Right wingers love WikiLeaks. Assange isn't some left wing issue. Did Tucker convince Dumpty to pardon Assange? No. So, Jimmy goes on the show, and immediately agrees with Tucker's right wing framing of Trump being kicked off social media because of left wing cancel culture, and blathers about the first amendment, which doesn't even apply, and only feeds right wing morons' victim complex, and feeling their rights are being violated. Utter bullshit. Jimmy should have pointed out that there's no such thing as free speech rights on someone else's private property. He should have pointed out that right wingers are the ones siding with private property, and that, if you do want free speech rights, then you should back public ownership. He should have pointed out that giant corporations, owned by centibillionaires, aren't "leftist", in the least. He should have pointed out that right wingers are the ones who handed corporations so much power, argued they're people with their own rights, including the right to their own beliefs and right to act on those beliefs. They created the monster they're crying about. Plus, he should have pointed out that inciting insurrections and defamation aren't protected speech, even if you made social media an actual public square, through public ownership. He should have pointed out that conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people for millennia. He should have pointed out that Republicans are fine when the government outright violates free speech, like the head of government firing or threatening to fire anyone who contradicts him, like anti-BDS laws, like LGBT books, like making it harder and more dangerous to protest, like an FCC still protecting delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples, etc. He should have pointed out all the times Republicans have promoted cancelling a business or a person ... for kneeling, for being gay, for being trans, etc. He should have pointed out that "cancel culture" is nothing new, and not something just the left does. In fact, the left hardly uses government, in comparison, and instead uses social pressure, which is basically like the libertarian solution, to use Yelp, or something, to push a business to behave the way you want. Yeah, and this was right before the well deserved second impeachment, Jimmy then threw in the off topic bone, to Tucker and his audience, that he too considered the first impeachment to be a sham, feeding their doubts about the second one. Nothing in the Mueller report has been refuted. Intelligence agencies didn't rely on the stupid Steele dossier, and are even the ones who decided it wasn't reliable. No clue what you think "Russiagate" is. It's just a fact that Russia interfered in the election. Trump's own FBI concluded the same thing, in 2020. Without relying on the Steele dossier, the Mueller report laid out some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, stated Jr and Kushner weren't charged with criminal conspiracy because it would be too hard to prove they willfully broke the law not because they didn't break the law, and laid out evidence of obstruction. The only people I see blathering about "Russiagate", is you Dore knobs. Then, like I said, he finally talked about Assange, which was already something Tucker had no problem with. Nothing Jimmy said on that segment challenged any of Tucker's far right views, or his audience's. A total love fest.
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  6202.  @edwardz.rosenthal9946  Yeah. I get the frustration, feeling like it's slow going. But, the progressive caucus is only about 10 more seats away from becoming the majority of house Democrats. Some of their most vocal members could protest vote Pelosi, now, but even as a whole, they don't actually have the majority to swap her out in caucus. Pelosi has said this is her last ride as speaker. So, the next caucus speaker election will be up for grabs anyway, and the progressive caucus could have the majority by then, if everyone sticks by them, and elects some more. Letting someone like Tim Ryan get his foot in the door, now, and take over the job could make things tougher. He's even more anti-progressive than Pelosi. Paralyzing the house now could be propagandized against progressives. Pushing corporate Dems to have to work with Republicans to dodge paralyzing the house could make things worse for progressives. There are risks to forcethevote. If they get the majority of the Dems, next election, and Dems get the majority of the house again, they could pick a speaker who could put the M4A bill up for a vote as many times as Republicans put the ACA repeal bill up for a vote. They could put progressive policies up repeatedly. They're close. Promote the forcethevote idea. If they go for it, they go for it. If they don't want to risk it, they won't. Still stick together, do all that stuff you can still do anyway, and you can start now ... pressure any Rep not signing on, have and promote M4A rallies, find good candidates to take out anyone who won't sign on, spread proper information, etc. Don't set fire to the ship, jump overboard, let it sink, and start from scratch, over a secondary tactics disagreement. Jimmy isn't a good figurehead for a movement. The Libertarian party will soon be turning 50 years old without ever having won a seat in congress. The Green Party is 20 years old without ever having won a seat in congress. That's the reality of third parties in the US, atm. Need to get people on the inside to change how elections work, get big donors out of politics, etc., before third parties can really be viable, I think. It may seem like a revolutionary idea in the moment, and you have grand ideas of everyone jumping onboard and it being a short trip to your destination, but it's actually a long road to nowhere, as the system works now. Sticking with progressives is the shorter route, even if it seems slow.
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  6206.  @IDF_R_HEROES  By every relevant measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  6387.  @joshualocicero6799  Bernie is centre-left, not far left. He points to centrist European countries to emulate, with mixed economies. He doesn't call for total economic equality and an end of capitalism, which would be the actual extreme left. In reality, there is no extreme left in US politics. On the other hand, there are numerous extreme right, Ayn Randian, politicians in US politics. So, US politics ranges from far right to centre-left, and simply agreeing with a few of Bernie's suggestions doesn't make one a leftist. Conservatives in most developed countries still agree with having a public health care system. They might not be extreme right economically, but they're still on the right. Everything left of far right isn't "left". Fascists using language to try and sway workers to their side is exactly the way it worked the first time around. Nazis, for one, weren't socialists any more than North Korea is democratic, simply because the word is in their party name. They may not have been extreme Ayn Randian on economics, but they were still right wing. They destroyed unions, and socialists, communists, and unionists, were the first people they tossed into camps. One of their main arguments against Jews, one of the main reasons they hated them, was that a Jew, Marx, came up with socialism. Playing to the workers was just bullshit, the same as when Republicans do it. Fascists were actually backed by leading industrialists, large land owners, and most church leaders. They were leaders in privatization, turning public tax dollars into private profits. But you can't win elections with only those votes. You have to con some idiots to your side. As well as simply lying about being on the side of workers, which they aren't, they use other rhetoric, like extreme nationalism, including an ideal national identity. That ideal being "brave" white male heterosexual Christians taking back "their" country. But they're actually cowards, afraid of people different than them. Spencer has heaped tons of praise on Trump. He's not a freaking leftist.
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  6392.  @joshualocicero6799  Ugh ... 1. You have zero clue what an ad hom is ... https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html 2. I never personally claimed Marx invented socialism, you daft twat. I stated that's what the Nazis argued, and one of the reasons they gave for hating Jews. That's just a fact, which I am 100% correct about. I already pointed that out to you, but you were too stupid to grasp it. I made a statement about Nazis, not Marx. Please grasp that this time. 3. Seriously ... arguing that people should just accept their lot in life, give up the class struggle, not fight the upper class, and simply work hard to better yourself, is not freaking socialism, in any sense of the word. That's right wing "American Dream" style bullshit, which doesn't tell you that only outliers manage to change their economic position in life. The vast majority stay in the same bracket their entire lives. Turning public tax dollars into private profits is not socialism, in any sense of the word. That's pretty much the opposite. Confiscating the property and businesses of minority citizens and handing them to your big business backers is not socialism in any sense of the word. Handing your industrialist buddies slave labour is not socialism in any sense of the word. Owning people is a capitalist endeavor. 4. Economics that only apply to a few, is far different than economics that apply to everyone. Even if his country was entirely white, I already pointed out that women wouldn't benefit economically. They'd be nobodies without husbands, and then wives. Screwing 50% of the population seems quite different than Bernie, economically. If we were talking democracy, and one said everyone could vote, and the other said every man could vote, those wouldn't be the same thing. If women can't work, and can't benefit from a minimum wage hike, etc., then their economic policies aren't at all the same. Plus, they've outright said that they need to win people over on the left so, like earlier fascists, and like Republican, and many Democrat, politicians, they're likely just full of shit. What do you consider yourself? Please don't say ancap.
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  6424.  @auniquedisposition9009  Dore didn't just say f that. He, literally, promoted Trump as the better option, vastly overestimating the benefits, claiming it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong) in 2018, and the presidency (wrong) in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into outright fascism (wrong) and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). Do you have some fantasy, that Green candidates, like Kyrsten Sinema, are incorruptible? The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Bernie has always been one of M4A's most ardent supporters and promoters. M4A might not even be part of mainstream conversation, without him running on it. To call him a "sellout", or whatever bullshit, is slander. Justice Dems have added about a dozen M4A yes votes to congress. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 pro-M4A progressives, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Adding enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. It's the exact thing that needs doing. It's the exact thing you'd still need to do, even if there had been a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. To claim those people are "sellouts", or whatever bullshit, is slander. Absolutely nobody ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. That's a bullshit strawman. Absolutely nobody ran on Jimmy's idea of a "rucus", they ran on their own idea of what that means. Another bullshit strawman. While AOC and Bernie were campaigning for Nina, trying hard to add another M4A yes vote to congress, promoting M4A as they were doing it, Dore was posting a video with a lying title claiming that they had both abandoned M4A. Dore was the one who abandoned Nina, and abandoned adding another yes vote to congress. There's no real disagreement on major policies. This all started with a disagreement over a secondary tactic, that wasn't even very well thought out. Someone supporting the tactic (like Kyle), or someone not, shouldn't have been that big a deal. Dore used a lack of support to slander any progressive that didn't bow down to him. He's someone who didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, promoted Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" (public option) over Bernie and M4A, who now passes himself off as the one true champion of healthcare, and anyone who disagrees is a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer". It's insanity. He doesn't actually give a crap about anyone else.
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  6451.  @roberttelford745  "Russiagate", with a Republican leading the investigation, produced some 200 pages of documented information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to illegal conspiracy, and only didn't indict Jr and Kushner because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. Thinking Republicans like Mueller, the DNC, the FBI, and Australian officials, all teamed up to take out Trump, just so Pence could be president, is the nutty conspiracy. Multiple UN investigations, and numerous NGOs operating in Syria, support the chemical weapons claim. Dore was right, because a single reporter working in Russia, said otherwise? Arguing "free speech" on privately owned property is a completely garbage argument. There's no such thing, because you don't have a right to be on their private property in the first place. Make an argument for public ownership, if your a "real" leftist, rather than going on Tucker's show and agreeing with the moronic and contradictory right wingers. And AOC just got done campaigning for Bernie and his M4A, while Dore was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". She used her platform and PAC to back 20 other progressives, helped take out a few more corporate Dems, and helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress. That's exactly what you need to do to ever pass a bill, exactly what you'd still need to do even if there was a guaranteed to fail vote. Dore, the new one and only true champion of healthcare, didn't give a crap if 10m of the poorest Americans might lose their Medicaid expansion, didn't care to add 40m more older Americans to Medicare, and doesn't give a crap about leading people down the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. All or nothing often gets you nothing. One of those MPP puritan leaders even recently left the MPP, because he decided even they weren't pure enough for him. He'll go along way with his party of one. Reducing your number of allies down to as few pure people as possible isn't a winning strategy.
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  6452.  @roberttelford745  Whatever amount it affected the election outcome is irrelevant to the fact that it happened. 29 Russians indicted, 3 Russian companies, the other things I mentioned above, none of which you refuted. Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for lying to congress, with no underlying criminal charge. Mueller, a Republican, also laid out evidence that could be considered obstruction, but said they couldn't indict a sitting president. No. Multiple UN inspections concluded there were chemical attacks. HRW and Doctors Without Borders are amongst NGOs that also corroborate chemical weapons attacks. All of which spoke out against the US, when it came to WMDs in Iraq. Now they've all joined the US to spew fake propaganda is what Dore wants you to believe? FTV was much ado about nothing. You already had a list of names of those in congress that wouldn't sign the M4A bill. If Dore had 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates laying around, why didn't he run them in the election that just happened? When Pelosi introduced the bill to congress, last session, and it quietly died in committees, where 90% of bills die, why wasn't that, at least, used against all the committee members who didn't push it through? Progressives just got the $15 minimum wage to stay in the covid bill for one round of voting. Now you've got a list of those who voted against. So, what's the Dore plan? Oh, to sit on his ass, in his garage, and whine about those who voted for it, rather than those who voted against. Now, getting a vote isn't worth anything, to him. Dore knobs make out like a guaranteed to fail vote was itself M4A. It isn't. And, like I said, you'd then still have to do exactly what AOC did ... work to replace as many as you can with pro-M4A progressives. Slandering someone as a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "shill", "betrayer", etc., isn't "a bit of criticism", ffs. It's the kind of thing that got Republicans, who said the election was fine, death threats, when Trump spoke that way about them. Luckily, Dore isn't as influential as he thinks. Trump, who Dore promoted as a better option for progressives than Clinton, not caring if 10m Americans lost their public healthcare, and not caring to add 40m to public healthcare ... and now pretends like he's the one true champion of healthcare. He's a joke. He minimized the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left in blocking the Trump agenda. Reality is, most followed him into overt fascism. Dore claimed the moon would fall into Lake Michigan, before Trump could fill multiple scotus seats. Reality is, the moon is still where it should be. And, he overestimated the benefits, claiming it would lead to a progressive wave that would, "for sure", take the house, senate, and presidency. Reality is, progressives made slight gains, with no evidence they couldn't have made similar gains without a Trump presidency. Seriously, minimizing your allies to as few puritans as possible, isn't going to get you anything. At best, you peel off enough progressive voters from the Dem party to hand the party totally back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, while your new third party sits on the sidelines. That benefits progressives how? They're the backwards party. It's the party that wants to move in the completely opposite direction. There's no such thing as "free speech" on private property. Again, argue for public ownership, if you want that right. Someone claiming to be a far lefty, like Dore, should have public ownership in their repertoire. Instead, he's using contradictory right wing talking points. Also, inciting violence isn't even protected speech, to begin with.
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  6489.  @glondokakurswongog3790  Rofl. What a load of crap. If Dore didn't think he was accomplishing anything, why the hell did he keep bragging about forcethevote trending? If he didn't consider what he was doing as fighting, then why was he doing it? You're making no sense. He didn't back Bernie in the last election cycle. He backed "Medicare choice" Tulsi. You're spouting bullshit. If he actually recognized that AOC helped add more M4A yes votes to congress, exactly what you need to do to ever pass the bill, exactly what you'd still need to do even after a guaranteed to fail vote, then he wouldn't make out like she wasn't doing anything. It reduces his own forcethevote "plan" to have a failed vote, and then do nothing. There was no crime. Pelosi introduced the M4A bill just last session. It died in committees. There was no progressive uprising over it, no mass protests, not even any outrage from Dore himself. It took a single reporter's question to get Biden on record saying he'd veto M4A. Plenty of corporate Dems and Republicans just said they were opposed to it, during their campaigns. Every new session, you get a new list of names of those who don't sign onto the bill. There's no need to threaten to paralyze the house, to get a list of Dems to primary, or Republicans to run against. You've already got a list of some 300+ names. Where were the 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates, that Jimmy has laying around, in the election that just took place? Why didn't he pull them out and run them?
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  6491. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  6494. It seems like you're just trying to avoid the term "socialism" and/or the term "centrism". You can have partial socialism, just like you can have partial capitalism. Seriously, what do people think centrism is in the centre of? What do people think a mixed economy is a mix of? If you socialize a sector of the economy, say the health insurance industry, making it publicly owned and operated, then that sector is then run in a socialist fashion. Privately owned and operated schools are run in a capitalist fashion. Publicly owned and operated schools are run in a socialist fashion. Privately owned and operated electric companies are run in a capitalist fashion. Publicly owned and operated electric companies are run in a socialist fashion. Etc. If you went 100% with either, you'd have full blown capitalism or full blown socialism. Centrism is a mix of the two. "Social democracy", to me, doesn't seem to really describe an economic position, at all. The economic position you described is centrism (the real centre, not the centre of the US's almost completely right of centre political spectrum). You want to get to central station. The democratic socialist train is heading in that direction. You can take it as far as maybe 50/50 capitalism/socialism, but then you can jump off the train at Central station. And that's fine. It's democratic. If the majority of people aren't ready to move further, then that's fine. That's what a democracy is about. That's the current destination Bernie is headed for, and hasn't suggested going any further, at least not for now. The Republican train, on the other hand, just keeps chugging further and further right, currently taking the country with it. While the corporate Dem train wants to take you to a fake central station, that's actually between the real central station and the extreme right station, and not truly central, at all.
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  6632.  @mroctober3583  He promoted Trump as better than Clinton. He promoted Stein as having a chance. If he convinced anyone in any 2016 swing state to vote Trump, vote Stein, or to not vote at all, then he helped the lunatic, that has let thousands of Americans die, get elected. Throughout the pandemic, he has basically been running constant attack ads against Trump's only viable opponent, again not seeming to care if the lunatic wins and even more people die. He's attacking the credibility of the woman whose progressive PAC just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress (exactly the thing you're going to have to do after the vote fails anyway), going against the DCCC. Corporate Dems have openly stated that's why she was punished and not given the committee seat she wanted. She's punching and getting punched, and Dore knob throws in a kick, accusing her of being a "shill" and "wimp". He doesn't care if he undermines progressive politicians, because he's promoting a People's Party, which would be starting from scratch, and wouldn't get you enough seats to pass M4A for decades, if ever. If Dore has 100 pro-M4A progressive candidates in his back pocket, why didn't he pull them out for the election? If he and Briahna want pro-M4A protests, then why haven't they been coordinating with the DSA's M4A rallies, all along? You know ... before the election that just fucking happened. He was more worried about shit Obama (no longer a politician) was saying, or Colbert crying. Dore has his own healthcare, and doesn't give a crap if he tears everything and everyone down to start over. Nothing to lose? What if corporate Dems just keep putting Pelosi back as their speaker candidate over and over again, or even someone to the right of her? Do you just keep paralyzing the house, as they blame progressives for not being able to pass minimum wage, or student debt relief, or lowering social security, or whatever else people just voted for? Jimmy, himself, just argued that corporate Dems would rather lose to Republicans than work with progressives. The dimwit didn't recognize that that's an argument against his own strategy because, if that's really true, then that gives progressives less leverage, and means they could orchestrate something even worse with Republicans, and blame progressives.
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  6690. Rofl. Mueller actually provided hundreds of pages of evidence, showing collusion that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy. All it took was two lying words, "no collusion", from your cult leader, for the cultists to ignore hundreds of pages, and Mueller's own words that the report didn't absolve Trump. Mueller indicted 26 Russians and Russian companies. He indicted a bunch of Trump's staff. The report stated they only didn't indict Jr and Kushner, because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. Provide an ounce of evidence 2020 was rigged. If there was an ounce of evidence, FOX wouldn't have settled the defamation case against them. Same with all the other defamation cases. You cultists cried and cried about 60+ cases being tossed out, not getting a day in court, and when opportunity comes along ... nothing. All absolute bullshit. If there was a single ounce of evidence, all the insurrectionists could have proved they were the ones fighting to save democracy, not overthrow it ... nothing. All absolute bullshit. If there was a single ounce of evidence, Trump and co-defendants should be rushing into court to finally prove the election was stolen! Nope. Trump is stalling, and co-defendants are flipping and pleading guilty ... nothing. Absolute bullshit. 6 investigations into Hillary, while she was Trump's political opponent ... all found nothing to charge her with. More Republican and Trump bullshit. People forget, but Dumpty claimed that election was stolen too, claimed he actually won the popular vote. He set up his own election integrity commission, and they found ... nothing. Just pure bullshit out of Trump's mouth. Trump and you cultist also started trying to imply Biden was a criminal, while he was Trump's 2020 opponent, and still haven't stopped while he's Trump's 2024 opponent. Still ... nothing. Just absolute bullshit from the Trumpty Dumpty cult. Get it? Do you actually grasped the difference between evidence and no evidence? Trump is being charged, because there's actual evidence of crimes. Trump has been a criminal since he was in diapers, thanks to his tax dodging daddy. Fined for breaking laws many times, lost lawsuits for being a grifter, lost lawsuits for being a racist, lost divorces for being a cheater, ... you picked one of the biggest losers in the world, to be your cult leader.
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  6695. Canada's system needs improving. We only rank better, overall, than the US, amongst developed countries, so pointing to Canada isn't some big gotcha. It's a federal/provincial partnership, with the provinces being in charge of their own healthcare systems, and the federal government adding funds to it. A province like Quebec actually has more private involvement than Ontario, but has higher wait times. So, it's not simply single payer = longer wait times. We don't have tens of thousands dying due to being uninsured, don't have hundreds of thousands going bankrupt from healthcare debt, and don't have millions going to other countries to find healthcare they can afford. If some Canadians with money decide they don't want to wait for non life threatening elective procedures, and go elsewhere, so be it. That's still rare. Most Canadians who get healthcare in the US, happen to already be in the US, and need healthcare while there, like all the elderly Snowbirds. They don't actually go to the US specifically for healthcare. It's like triage, where those who need it most go first, instead of those who can afford it most go first. We have higher life expectancies, lower infant mortality rates, lower maternal mortality rates, etc. By the most common measures, used to rate healthcare worldwide, Canada beats the US in outcomes. If your superficial comparison was valid, all single payer countries should have longer wait times, but the UK's system (the most socialized and usually rated #1) scores better than the US in timeliness of care. They also produce more medical papers per capita, than the US. We also have room to almost double the amount of money invested into our healthcare, to make improvements, before hitting US cost levels. A number of issues with single payer systems come from conservative parties not funding them enough.
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  6719.  @ToxicAudri  The details of how a UBI is paid for is important, and he kept saying that giant corporations would pay into it, and kept comparing his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by oil companies. The thing is that a VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation (which would be worse anyway). Yang even posted a link to a pass through rate study that he didn't grasp, or lied about. What it actually showed was a near 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services. It was only by adding lesser rated and zero rated goods and services that the pass through rate dropped. Yang claimed that indicated businesses were paying for a large portion of the tax, when it actually meant that a large portion had less tax or no tax (zero rated are staples that people buy most). The final consumer was still paying the entire VAT. Without corporations paying for it, or even into it, then all they get is the benefit of extra trillions being spent. Instead of taxing Amazon, as Yang said, they would make extra tens of billions a year, which would make Bezos extra billions a year. He could buy a brand new $500m yacht, every year, pay $50m in VAT, and still have extra billions left over. Also, in a future that's increasingly automated, you can't have increasingly unemployed consumers paying for their own UBI. You need corporations to pay the people, like the Alaskan dividend he kept comparing his to, like he kept saying it should be. His words didn't match his actual plan.
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  6726. You wake up, dumb dumb. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  6806.  @justanotherguy1794  Progressive house members did get the $15 minimum to stay in the covid relief bill, when it was first talked about taking it out because it might not get by senate rules, and it passed the house. People were already griping that the covid relief didn't go out the day after Biden was inaugurated. How many times should the bill have bounced back and forth between the house and senate? Who in the senate was going to suddenly change their minds? AOC did use her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A candidates, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. A guaranteed to fail vote, isn't itself M4A. Dore uses fake support percentages for how wildly popular he claims M4A is. If you actually look at the Pew survey he referred to, it's only 54% of Dems that want all out M4A, and only 36% of Americans. There wouldn't have been some massive uprising over it failing to pass. Half of congress just got done an election cycle, and pretty much every voter knew where their candidates stood on healthcare, when they voted. She also campaigned for Bernie and M4A, while Jimmy was pushing Tulsi and "Medicare choice". Jimmy is also the guy who didn't give two shits if 10m of the poorest Americans lost their Medicaid expansion, and didn't care to add 40m older Americans to Medicare. He also doesn't care if he leads people down the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. What he promotes doesn't actually indicate that he cares if anyone gets healthcare coverage anytime soon. The broader progressive caucus is some 10-15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. I think people should stick with the Justice Dem approach, until they're the majority, can pick the party speaker candidate, can control the house if still the house majority, and then see what they do. I think giving up on them, when it's that close, to go some decades long route that doesn't get you even a single vote for or against even a single bill because you don't have a seat isn't a winning strategy. Technically, even Bernie is a centrist, out in the real world, but I think he, and a number of other progressives, are genuine. Might not always agree on tactics though, and disagreeing on a single secondary tactic shouldn't be the end all and be all of the relationship, or support.
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  6837.  @majorlazor5058  Yeah, a VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses, in order to avoid double taxation. Every step in the chain gets to reclaim their input VAT, except the final consumer, so they end up paying the entire VAT. As soon as he presented it as a way to tax corporations like Amazon, I just laughed. Amazon UK even had its own tutorial pages on how a VAT doesn't tax businesses. Arguing with some of his cult, they'd move to ... well, price elasticity will make businesses eat some of the price increase, and indirectly pay some taxes, blah blah ... but Yang himself posted a link to a pass through rate study that he didn't grasp, or intentionally misrepresented. It showed a near 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services, and it was only by adding lesser rated and zero rated goods and services that the pass through rate dropped. Yang used the overall dropped rate to claim businesses were paying a significant portion of the VAT, when it actually meant there was less tax, or no tax, on a significant portion of the sales (staples, what people buy most, are largely zero rated). He repeatedly made out like his dividend was similar to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by oil corporations, when it's totally not. If you don't have corporations paying for, or even paying a significant portion of, the dividend, then they only get the benefit of extra trillions a year being spent, funneling money to the very top to be hoarded. Yang would have been making his buddy Musk extra billions a year. Musk probably knew it, because Tesla operates in VAT countries.
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  6928.  @afridgetoofar1818  A grifter, like a snake oil salesmen, claims to be selling you something beneficial, but they're actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful. So, for example, Dore sells himself as being for M4A, but the directions he proposes going actually get you nothing, or something worse. He promoted Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion) ... which is something worse. He promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A) ... outright campaigning against the M4A candidate. He promotes the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence ... which gets you nothing, or, if you do manage to persuade just enough voters away from progressives, hands the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and let's Republicans rule for decades to come, which is worse. Adding M4A yes votes to congress (as Justice Dems and AOC have done) is the only possible way to ever pass the bill ... Dore using a lack of support for a performance art vote, that doesn't actually get you any closer to getting M4A, to slander those who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, is counterproductive. While AOC and Bernie were campaigning, teying to add another M4A yes vote to congress, in Nina Turner, and promoting M4A while they were doing it, Dore slandered them as having abandoned M4A, meanwhile Dore publicly abandoned Nina and promoted never voting for someone running as a Dem ever again ... it was him that abandoning adding another M4A yes votes to congress, which is counterproductive. He, and Blumenthal, have spread bullshit about the UK healthcare system, which is a completely socialized healthcare system, even more left than M4A, regarding vaccines ... counterproductive. That goes along with him spreading doubt and misinformation about vaccines in the US, which is government negotiated prices for freely distributed vaccines, a tiny sliver of what universal healthcare is like, and Dore peddles unproven, privately paid for, alternative remedies and prevention ... counterproductive. In what reality, outside him simply mouthing words, as grifters do, is there any indication he actually wants to achieve M4A?
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  6935.  @neon-kitty  Having a progressive on the show doesn't make it a progressive show. Stopped watching before the cast switch. There was less debate on Rising than there was on Crossfire or Hannity and Combes. Saagar, who's supposedly an anti-Trump conservative, regularly softened just how bad Trump is, making it seem like Trump is just a little over the top and not a batshit crazy fascist. Likewise, for Trump's cult, who he made out like they were just being a little silly. And, I don't recall him ever leading Republicans down a path towards not voting for Trump. Krystal, on the other hand, was really trashing Biden (Trump's only remaining viable opponent) and telling progressives that they don't owe Biden their vote. What's the overall message, if it says Trump isn't all that bad, Biden is bad, don't stop voting Republican, but possibly stop voting Democrat? Or, even in the primaries, with the repeated fawning over Yang (who would have had money flowing to the very top faster than ever before, because he's completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, as to how a VAT actually works) ... Bernie had a really tough fight in 2016, and lost. That was running as the only progressive, and getting all the progressive votes. Going into the 2020 primaries, everyone should have known that every single vote taken away from him would be extremely important, and likely help produce another progressive loss. But, people still peddled multiple other "progressives". That kind of stuff is all simply a math problem. If you're taking a vote away from the most competitive progressive, then you're lowering his odds of winning, which lowers the odds of a progressive winning, at all. I started feeling like Krystal and Saagar were a gateway down a path that ends with Dore and a Boogaloo, and their comment section was reflecting that more and more. Kim Iverson went batshit crazy during covid. To normalize her is insane. Her moronic, look how great Sweden is doing (regularly the worst country in Europe, at the time), covid will end with warm weather, and generally shitty covid attitude is likely what killed one of her own staff, but she powered on.
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  6985.  @Xpistos510  The basic VAT formula for a business is ... x = input VAT (collected on sales) y = output VAT (paid on expenses) x - y = z If z > 0, the business repays itself for y from the x it collected, and sends z to the government. It has paid 0 in the end. If z < 0, the business keeps all of x it collected, and gets a refund for z from the government. It has paid 0 in the end. It is only the final consumer that doesn't get paid back, so ends up paying the entire VAT. Paying the businesses back is based on the basic principle that, if you leave it as a cost, they'll include it in their price anyway, and then the next stage would end up paying taxes on taxes. You find that in some places where businesses don't get a sales tax exemption. They'll pay sales tax on an expense, add that sales tax they paid into their own sale price, and then a portion of the sales tax on their sale is a tax upon a tax. After multiple stages, you get cascading taxes upon taxes upon taxes... So, even if Yang didn't use the VAT formula, and did use a sales tax, attempting to tax businesses, it would actually end up being even worse. Consumption taxes aren't the way to go, to attempt to tax businesses. So, then you get Yang cultists, like SR, arguing price elasticity, or whatnot, claiming that, even though the VAT might not directly tax businesses, businesses will adjust their pre tax prices down, effectively eating some of the tax, paying some indirectly. But, Yang's own linked to pass through rate study totally debunks that argument. If you actually read it, it shows an almost 100% pass through on standard rated (20% VAT) goods and services. It was only by including lesser rated (8% VAT), and zero rated (0% VAT), goods and services, that the overall pass through rate dropped to around 50%. Yang mistakenly took that to mean that businesses were paying half the tax, when it actually means that there was less tax, or no tax, on most of the sales (the zero rated category is for staples, the necessities that people buy most), and that consumers were paying the entire tax, on what was taxed. The lesser rated category even showed that not only did businesses mark up their price to include the entire 8% VAT, but they marked it up even a bit more, for a little added profit.
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  7114.  @web-angel  You're failing at the math you were promoting. All Dems would have to do is adjust their bills to pick up 6, or more, Republican votes, and ignore you. You couldn't hold up anything. Like bringing in the Republicans who have their own $10 minimum wage bill, and doing $10 instead of $15. Dems on the right have more leverage because they can possibly bring in extra votes. There is the entire Republican party to the right of them. There are zero extra votes to the left of progressives, whether they part of the party, or not. They can't bring in extra votes, if votes on the right end of the Democratic party are lost. They can only ever push things as far left as the right end of the Democratic party is willing to go, and can't offer anything if votes on the right end are lost. There's a reason why the right end has more leverage. And it's exactly the math you were talking about. 6 votes at one end and 6 votes at the other aren't exactly samesies, if one end can bring in extra votes, and the other can't, in the case of a standoff. They've voted against things. They've made pretty good use of speaking and committee debate times. They've introduced bills and amendments. They've helped move public opinion. Zero seats, and zero attention, won't even get you that. Not a single vote on even a single bill. Libertarians, the most popular third party, get none of that, and are treated as largely irrelevant. AOC backing 20 other progressives, helping to add more M4A yes votes to congress, helping to remove a few more corporate Dems, pissing off the people Dore knobs falsely claim she has sold out to, isn't treated as irrelevant. There's a difference between the corporate press criticizing M4A, when you present it, and them simply being able to point at the fact that you're delaying covid relief.
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  7151.  @bozeeke  Nah, the Nazis were more the racists. Fascists don't have to necessarily be racists. So, you don't think the people literally waving Nazi flags, waving Tiki torches shouting about Jews, waving Confederate flags, and other white supremacist symbols/flags toting nutjobs, spewing hate at "Unite the Right" rallies, and the like, are the racist Nazis? But, people who want hate speech laws (like in Canada and other developed countries) are the Nazis? You know that sounds insane, right? Lol, how is the "complete opposite" of socialism, not capitalism? Or is capitalism not right wing? Fascism promotes ultra-nationalism, and "collectivism" in putting the country first (like "America First", and calling different politics "unAmerican") but, it does not promote economic collectivism. It promotes rugged "heroic" individualism and denies the class struggle, you know ... accept your lot in life, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, and do the best you can ... It simply argues that all those different classes work together for the good of the country. Again, the closest thing to a dictatorial leader, is the one currently fighting to have valid votes thrown out, and has 27% of Republicans saying he shouldn't concede under any circumstances. Fascists were leaders in privatization, actually. They were backed by leading industrialists, large land owners, and religious authoritarians. Hitler promised his industrialist backers he wouldn't redistribute wealth in any significant way, and literally killed off any prominent party members who wanted such a thing to happen. Fascists practice crony capitalism. There are US Republican politicians, and even a party that get millions of votes, who promote far right economics, a la Ayn Rand, etc. Are there any US politicians getting significant numbers of votes, who even promote economics that would move the US left of Denmark (a centrist country), let alone to the actual far left (100% publicly owned and operated economy)?
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  7191.  @theciakilledjfk5973  Next to nobody outside of some progressive circles (where everyone is already pro-M4A) were talking about Jimmy Dore, or FTV. Something like 20 people showed up for the DC FTV rally. Bernie still has more Twitter followers. Bernie, and his M4A, who she used her platform to campaign for, while Dore knob was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". She also used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives. The pandemic had started before the primaries were over. Guess what? The M4A candidate didn't get elected, and no amount of DNC fuckery could have screwed Bernie, if the masses had voted for him. Most of those other pro-M4A candidates didn't make it through the primaries, either. Only a few did. Americans just got finished ranking how important M4A was to them. They went with the idjit who said he'd veto it, if it somehow passed both the house and senate. They went with mostly anti-M4A corporate Dem and Rep congress members, yet again. Dore had this fantasy, in 2016, where a Trump presidency would be better for progressives than a Clinton presidency. It was going to lead to some massive progressive wave that would, "for sure", lead to progressives taking the house and senate in 2018, and a progressive president in 2020. None of it happened. He vastly overestimated the benefits and vastly underestimated the risks. Even with the benefit of hindsight, knowing full well that people started complaining about not getting covid relief fast enough (including, I think, Jimmy Dore), you think they would have been impressed with paralyzing the house for some amount of time, to not actually get them M4A, but simply to get a guaranteed to fail vote?
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  7227.  @typhoon320i  Rofl. Those are just facts. You're the one who seems upset that people would want corporations and the super rich to pay their fair share. Fact: The bottom 50% owns about 1.5% of total wealth, but pays about 3% of total federal taxes (including payroll, which those who falsely claim the rich pay more than their fair share leave out), a 1:2 ratio. Fact: The top 1% owns about 30% of the wealth and pays about 30% of federal taxes, a 1:1 ratio. Amongst that 1%, the lesser rich, who make a living on actual salaries, albeit large ones, are also paying for the welfare queen billionaires, who don't pay their fair share. Gas tax doesn't cover all roads anymore, and other taxes are used. The military you mentioned protects corporate interests abroad, and trading lanes. Yet, the ones benefitting the most from those things, pay the least towards them, as a percentage of their total wealth. If Tesla is importing parts for 200k cars a year, and transporting those 200k cars out on roads, then they, and their shareholders, are benefitting 200k times more from protwcted trading lanes, and roads, than each of the individual Tesla buyers. Amazon depends on those things even more, and gets to pay zero taxes for years? And, you think that's groovy. You're making up nonsense, about them deploying their money, at appropriate times, to the benefit of all. Trump just gave them even more tax breaks and many used the savings to buy back their own stocks, to artificially inflate the price, rather than use it to create more jobs, or increase pay. What's wrong with taking trillions out of the economy, and not circulating it back in? Really?
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  7245.  @thenumbersss  Bernie's proposals are what a number of other developed countries do, before they tax consumers with a VAT. Scandinavian countries have high unionization rates. Norway nationalized oil resources. Sweden has corporations pay in for retraining. Denmark has double the percentage of government workers. Numerous countries have over double the US's minimum wage. More paid vacations. More paid parental leave. Etc. Etc. That's how you make businesses pay in. Then you put a consumption tax on better paid, higher living standard, consumers. Yang is clueless, and has a very superficial plan, that won't actually make corporations pay in. Yang doesn't have UBI stack with SSI disability, or SNAP. SSI can stack with SNAP. A disabled person on full benefits, plus kids, could be getting over $1000 a month. SNAP, alone, has a cost of living adjustment. A single parent of 3, in Alaska, could be getting over $1000 a month. Whatever the exact number, you're good with making some very poor people worse off, while handing people getting by just fine a monthly spa fund, a sportscar, or something? Yang could run as a Republican, because his plan will benefit couples, even those without kids, more than single parents, because he doesn't adjust for kids; his plan will benefit less urban, lower cost of living, areas more than urban areas, because he doesn't have an adjustment for cost of living; likewise for states with lower state taxes that do as little as possible for their citizens; a VAT doesn't actually make corporations pay anything they don't want; ...
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  7246.  @curiosityl.6261  Hinkle blathered a bunch of standard Dore knob bullshit, is all he did. The Capitol Hill police bill was heavily amended in the senate and sent back to the house. AOC voted no on the final version of the bill. AOC had just backed progressives in purple districts, that got creamed in the primaries, and the Dems who beat them managed to also beat the Republican. This midterm is going to be a helluva fight to try and hang on to the majority. Whatever leverage progressives have, completely evaporates, if Republicans win the majority. Go ahead and be pissed, if you think AOC broke a promise, but trying to retain the majority is smart. The FTV "plan", out of Jimmy's mouth, was for 15 progressives to simply "withhold their votes" or "not vote" for Pelosi. He never mentioned a need to cast protest votes. That implies abstaining. And, he made it very clear that he thought it was impossible for McCarthy to win, unless Democrats actually voted for him, so would see no problem with abstaining. 15 progressives abstaining would have handed the speakership to McCarthy. FTV was also about a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. It doesn't actually move you any closer to being able to pass the bill. The only possible way to ever pass the bill is to get enough yes votes in congress, which makes adding yes votes to congress the most important thing. Justice Dems, and AOC, have helped to add more M4A yes votes to congress. AOC was fighting to add another, in Nina Turner, campaigning on the ground for her. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. Progressives did get the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. It actually passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. Dore knobs have done nothing with those lists of no voters, and just continue to slander those who voted for it. Drone strikes have been reduced to almost nothing. That's one thing Dore knobs should be praising Biden for. Instead they keep whining. All, or nothing. AOC, and other progressives have a bill trying to put conditions on the annual military aid to Israel. They have an anti anti-BDS laws bill. So she voted to rearm a purely defensive Iron Dome. So what? Just a lot of much ado about nothing.
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  7272. ​ @SamNMman505  ​Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  7284.  @michaels8620  Yeah, a C-SPAN covered floor vote ... totally samesies as thousands of people marching down a highway, covered by all media. Women's suffrage had a first vote to see how close they were to a supermajority, because the parties weren't as partisan, at the time, and they weren't sure how far off they were. They literally held back the bill, the next session, because they didn't think they had the supermajority yet, and saw absolutely no point in having a guaranteed to fail vote. Where are you getting this repeatedly having failed votes being beneficial from? The $15 got a vote, and even passed the house to get a senate vote. Dore knobs argue it was useless, and just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and voted for it. How did getting a vote help? Isn't turning it into a hill to die on, and to slander M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, part of what turned it stupid? FTV was dead in the water as soon as Dore, and his knobs, used it to slander AOC, and the vast majority of progressives, which was almost right out of the gate. Yeah, Dore killed his own plan, by being a moron. That's the reason you try to detach the man from his own plan, because he's too hard to defend. If he was easy to defend, there'd be no issue with keeping him attached to his own plan. Don't you think he destroyed any chance of getting any of the 15 progressives he named, on board, the moment he started slandering the first one? Any leverage Hinkle believes the squad has entirely depends on Dems being the majority of the house. This midterm will be a helluva fight to try and keep that majority, especially in those more conservative purple districts. Is there some benefit to progressives becoming a minority within a minority, and having Republicans win the majority?
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  7493.  @jojomany5792  You shut up. The Anuna, the seven judges, rendered their decision against her. They looked at her -- it was the look of death. They spoke to her -- it was the speech of anger. They shouted at her -- it was the shout of heavy guilt. The afflicted woman was turned into a corpse. And the corpse was hung on a hook. After three days and three nights had passed, her minister Nincubura (2 mss. add 2 lines: , her minister who speaks fair words, her escort who speaks trustworthy words,) carried out the instructions of her mistress (1 ms. has instead 2 lines: did not forget her orders, she did not neglect her instructions). ... "They will offer you a riverful of water -- don't accept it. They will offer you a field with its grain -- don't accept it. But say to her: "Give us the corpse hanging on the hook." (She will answer:) "That is the corpse of your queen." Say to her: "Whether it is that of our king, whether it is that of our queen, give it to us." She will give you the corpse hanging on the hook. One of you sprinkle on it the life-giving plant and the other the life-giving water. Thus let Inana arise." The gala-tura and the kur-jara paid attention to the instructions of Enki. They flitted through the door like flies. ... They were offered a river with its water -- they did not accept it. They were offered a field with its grain -- they did not accept it. They said to her: "Give us the corpse hanging on the hook." Holy Erec-ki-gala answered the gala-tura and the kur-jara: "The corpse is that of your queen." They said to her: "Whether it is that of our king or that of our queen, give it to us." They were given the corpse hanging on the hook. One of them sprinkled on it the life-giving plant and the other the life-giving water. And thus Inana arose.
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  7681.  @FuddlyDud  1) Corrected me about what data? I didn't post before yours. Glad we agree that we can also reduce pediatric flu deaths with covid measures. Win win. 2) Yes, what I said is actually true. I described lab results, and you didn't debunk those results. Lab results are the best for telling whether masks are effective, if used properly, because there are generally also other measures taking place out in the real world, so it's harder to dissect. People doing things wrong doesn't debunk that masks are effective. It's not an argument that masks don't work. It's an argument that some people are incompetent at mask use. If I build a car with improved safety features, proven in testing, you driving it off a 1000' cliff and obliterating the car and yourself, doesn't prove the car didn't have improved safety features. Masks are effective in reducing spread. The US had a pathetic pandemic response, and there is a good percentage of partisan anti-maskers in almost all communities. Why would anyone really want to use real world stats from the US? Canada had a better adherence to covid rules, including mask use. Their covid deaths per capita rate would translate into 400+k fewer US covid deaths. Japan has had a heavy reliance on mask use, and their covid deaths per capita rate would translate into about 45k total US covid deaths. France, Italy, Spain, and the UK, all didn't take the virus seriously enough, at first, much like the US, and let it get well out of control. Germany took it a little bit more seriously. Like other Western countries, none quickly resorted to mask use, and had mask shortages even for medical staff. They, instead, started resorting to quarantines and lockdowns. Germany's were more effectively implemented. It's not like Italy quickly jumped to its current rate of mask use, and it completely failed them. Italy and Spain currently have high mask rates and are currently below Germany in 7 day covid cases per capita. How quickly countries got their testing rates (tests per confirmed case) up, also factored into isolating and quarantining carriers. The US, UK, Italy, Spain, and France had pathetic testing rates, for months, as the virus spread. The US and UK still have shitty testing rates. Numerous Asian countries, besides Japan and China, quickly turned to masks, at a high rate of use, and have amongst the best covid outcomes in the world, even though the virus started in their region, even if they share a long border with China, like Vietnam. Before it even hit S Korea, their president was talking with corporate leaders to increase mask production. That mask use has included kids in school. Covid amongst kids in Japan actually increased 3x during their August summer break ... up from the school rate. Mississippi (pop 3m) alone had more student covid cases than all of Japan (pop 126m), in Aug. Florida (pop 21.5m) beat out Japan's entire month in just one week of Aug. It's as if Japanese kids followed the rules while in school, and those rules actually helped, and then they let loose a bit during break. What are you even talking about with FL and CA being the same, anyway? FL has an above US average 2366 deaths per million, while CA has a below US average 1720 dpm. FL currently has a 74/100k daily cases average, while CA has a 27/100k daily cases average. Florida is the only state where more people are dying now than at any previous time during the pandemic. What are you looking at that makes you think they're close to the same? 3) What? Billions earmarked for schools have been in every covid relief bill. Florida simply didn't submit a plan, to get the funding before school started. They didn't have a back to school covid plan. Still no clue why you're comparing CA and FL.
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  7682.  @FuddlyDud  Was there a Part 1? Locking down doesn't simply have to do with time, ffs. Italy didn't implement major widespread lockdowns until they hit hundreds of deaths. Germany implemented major widespread lockdowns when they hit dozens of deaths. Germany was quite clearly the more cautious of the two, and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Oh, give me a break. The weather quite obviously doesn't have much to do with anything, like some people made out. Didn't Trumpty Dumpty say it would magically go away when the warm weather hit? Shocker ... it didn't. Doctors and scientists still don't know if there's any actual seasonality to covid. There's no evidence what you're saying actually plays a major factor. FL is hotter than California, on average, in the summer, and currently has more cases and deaths per capita. Italy and Spain are hotter than Germany, and Germany currently has more cases and deaths per capita. Covid has clearly shown it likes all weather, and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Less developed countries like India and Brazil, that get very hot, but have much less air conditioning, still have horrible covid rates. The UK is clearly islands, and they clearly sucked ass. The US is clearly effectively an island, relative to China, and they clearly let the virus come in by flights, not walking across a border, and clearly let it spread like wildfire within its own borders. It was Canada and Mexico that didn't want Americans coming into their countries, for most of the pandemic. You ignored Vietnam, which clearly isn't an island, and clearly shares one of the longest boarders directly with China, and has one of the best covid outcomes. S Korea clearly isn't an island. Canada and Germany clearly aren't islands and did much better than the US. Clearly Denmark, Finland, and Norway aren't islands and clearly did much better than the US, not to mention having 5-10x fewer covid deaths per capita than their neighbor, Sweden. There are a number of Carribean countries, that are clearly islands, and clearly aren't having as good outcomes as the non island countries I mentioned that had decent to excellent outcomes. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. You're flinging poop and hoping it sticks. Japan is actually an outlier, amongst countries the had excellent covid outcomes, in that its testing rate is actually low. They clearly relied more heavily on mask use, and other measures, and you clearly still don't know what you're talking about. On top of that, you sound paranoid. And, the topic was mask effectiveness, not mandate effectiveness. What difference does it make if the mask use is cultural? You're the one changing your argument, dumb dumb. You're moving the goalpost. Masks proved to be effective in Japan. The outcome for an entire country, isn't quite "anecdotal", and on par with you comparing outcomes from two different states, dimwit. You're also the one who called for real world data. Not only are you completely clueless, you're a walking contradiction, a hypocrite. What the hell are you talking about? Florida has about half the population of California, and they did spike up to about 20k in the winter while California spiked to about 40k. Florida clearly did not have a similar spike last Aug. They had a spike in July, as did California. California is having an Aug spike now, too, but Florida's is clearly far worse, with almost 50% more cases and almost half the population. As I clearly mentioned, there is a good sized percentage of anti-mask idiots in every US community, making the US a shitty country to use real world data from, for an example of following covid rules. Do you have reading comprehension problems, on top of your other issues? Why isn't there a much larger disparity between CA and FL? Because there is a large minority in CA that are idiots and a large minority in FL that aren't idiots. Apparently, you literally didn't read an article saying Florida was one of 5 states that didn't submit a plan, by the deadline, that would have handed them a couple billion from the covid funds dedicated to schools. Seriously, your just pulling crap out of your ass.
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  7683. Rofl. I explained that dates don't indicate whether one was a more conservative response than the other, and you just come back and say to look at the dates again. Closing down at dozens of deaths is objectively the more conservative response than not closing down until hundreds of deaths. Italy had 366 deaths by the time of their major March 8 lockdown. Germany started various lockdowns between Mar 13-22. Germany was at 55 deaths on Mar 22. Your argument is beyond moronic. I wasn't citing Trump as saying anything factual. I was citing him as another example of weather spewing stupidity. Just how bad are your reading comprehension problems? I literally pointed out that Florida and California had similar spikes, relative to population. Were Floridians all huddled in their homes, due to the freezing cold Florida winter? I understood perfectly well, which is why I pointed out that it's hotter in Italy and Spain than Germany, but you wanted to reject the current trend there, because it's currently the opposite of your nonsense weather narrative. Canada had spikes in the fall and spring, as did Greece and France. Japan's last little uptick was in May, which is neither their hottest or coldest month. You said I was wrong about the US letting the virus fly in, and countered with the fact that the US let you fly in. You're spewing gibberish, at this point. If covid was brought in by border crossers, the US spread would have looked a lot different. Japan, reported their first case within a day of the US. The US' first case was someone who flew into Washington state from Wuhan. The virus did not walk into the country. It flew in. By Mar 3, Washington state (pop 7.6m) had over twice as many deaths as Japan (pop 126m). Initial East coast clusters were traced to a Wuhan-Italy-US trip, also flying in. There's no actual evidence that the US' problem was having land borders. Yes, an ocean between China and the US, "effectively" makes it an island "relative" to China. Do you know what "effectively" and "relative" means? Canada shares a long land border with one of the shittiest covid outcome countries in the world. Germany shares land borders with some of the shittiest covid outcomes in the EU. Vietnam shares a large land border with the virus's country of origin. Norway and Findland share borders with the shittiest Nordic country. The UK, French Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Aruba, Sint Maarten, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands, Saint Martin, Seychelles ... all worse than Germany. Those, plus Ireland, Trinidad & Tobago, Malta, Curacao, Saint Lucia, all worse than Canada. There are about a dozen more, including Jamaica and Bahamas, that are worse than Vietnam and Norway. Plus, even Australia, Japan, and New Zealand, have worse numbers than the country of origin, China. How a country responded played a bigger factor in how good an outcome they had, than being an island had to do with anything. Yes, I do understand that Vietnam and S Korea are actually prepared for epidemics, unlike many other countries, and have plans in place, including mass mask use. You sound like a psycho. Vietnam's covid deaths per capita rate would translate into under 60k total US covid deaths, instead of over 690k, and you're more worried that the government might be able to track you through the covid app on your cellphone, that you're already carrying around with you but not worried they're already tracking you with it? Oh, the horror ... this app I can freely download, and can freely delete, is showing me if I've come in contact with someone who freely enters that they've tested positive. So scary. Oh no, a government computer might know whether I'm at the variety store or at the gas station, and .... what? What comes after that? Between you spewing contradictory gibberish and other nonsense, and now paranoid conspiracy theories, and arguing freedumb over hundreds of thousands of lives, I'm done reading your crap.
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  7774.  @Cyrus992  Pretending like both are exactly the same is nonsense. Trying to toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion isn't samesies as not doing that and possibly adding 40m older Americans to Medicare. Sure, it's not M4A, but all or nothing often gets you nothing. Dore promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton. He claimed it would lead to a progressive wave that would "for sure" take the house, senate, and presidency, by 2020. Wrong, on all counts. He vastly overestimated the benefits. He also didn't see Republicans as far worse than Democrats, and claimed they would join Democrats in voting against the Trump agenda. Instead, they embraced overt fascism. He vastly underestimated the risks. He even gaslit (actual gaslighting is trying to falsely make someone feel crazy, or appear crazy to others, not simply to mislead people) Sam Seder, making out like the possibility of Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan, and what Sam was saying was insane. Events have proven that Dore was the completely delusional one. Dore has also promoted going third party, which hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. At best, you peel away enough progressive votes to hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades. It's a fantasy to think that's a viable option to get what you want. The system needs to be changed to make third parties viable, and you can't do that from the outside. "Call out" shouldn't equate to slander. AOC campaigned for Bernie and his M4A, while Dore was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". Her not having an M4A platform wasn't a deal breaker for him. AOC also used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helping to add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helping to take out a few more corporate Dems. Adding more yes votes is exactly what needs doing to ever pass the bill. It's exactly what you'd still need to do even if there was a guaranteed to fail vote. Pretending like that isn't fighting for M4A is garbage. Pretending she has sold out is garbage. She also never once ran on threatening to paralyze the house. Dore making out like she did was a strawman, giving his own meaning to her words, when she never indicated such a meaning. He also makes false equivalencies between things like a bill that's about 100 votes short in the house alone, that wouldn't get any hearings or major debate if you somehow dodge going through committees, where those things happen, and comparing that to an impeachment that only fell a few votes short in the senate, and got a hearing and major debate. He also misrepresents surveys. The Pew survey he cited about 88% Dem voter support for M4A actually showed 88% support for some kind of government responsibility for healthcare, but only 54% for all out single payer. He used it to claim the majority of Americans wanted M4A but, same thing, it showed that, of the majority who said the government had a responsibility to make sure everyone was covered, only 36% wanted all out single payer. On the other hand, the majority of Americans wanted Trump impeached. There was no equivalence between the two things, any which way you look at it. Using his made up nonsense to trash progressives, making people lose confidence in them, will only end up benefiting corporate Dems and Republicans, the ones he is supposedly against. For him to spend weeks making out like a disagreement on a secondary tactic was a deal breaker, and that anyone who didn't agree with him was some kind of fraud, was no longer an ally, he immediately turned around and made out like some ancap Boogaloos, who are the complete opposite when it comes to economics, who don't want any government healthcare, at all, could be allies, just because they're anti-authoritarian on a few topics. That's actual insanity. And, the progressive caucus got the $15 minimum to stay in the covid relief bill for a round of voting. He immediately turned around and made out like getting a vote doesn't count for shit. Even that isn't good enough. Simply getting a vote was a huge freaking deal, and a deal breaker, one second, but then it's worthless, the next. He's a walking contradiction. He's only consistent in his Dems = bad message. However he has to twist things, manipulate surveys, slander, contradict himself, the message is consistently Dems = bad. For a "real" progressive, he seems to promote actions that benefit Republicans most. Odd.
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  7785. No one has argued the US invented slavery. No one has argued slavery didn't, or doesn't, exist outside the US. No one has argued slavery no longer exists. Crowder is arguing against strawmen of his own making, on all those points. As for his claim that slavery has never been racially motivated, that's a blatant lie. Western chattel slavery was developed around African slaves, and was different from other types of slavery. Simply saying "slavery", implying they're all samesies, is nonsense. Other forms of slavery, practiced elsewhere, didn't tend to be lifelong and multigenerational. Black Americans, in the early colonies, weren't slaves. They were indentured, like white people. Then, very racially motivated laws, around the colonies, started chipping away at any semblance of rights. At first, they tried being subtle, by making laws against enslaving Christians (all the whites were Christians, while black Africans were not, at the time). When black people started converting, then they dropped all subtlety, and became very race specific. There were laws all across the country, as well as the brief mention in the constitution. There was also the Confederate constitution, which made the racial aspect of slavery extremely clear. There was also another hundred years of racially motivated segregation and Jim Crow laws, against the very same people that had been enslaved, indicating their treatment beforehand had also been racially motivated. The majority of Confederate state voters were racists, plain and simple. They voted for pro slavery candidates, and against abolitionists. They voted for secessionists, and against unionists. They were willing to kill, and be killed, for the "right" to own, abuse, torture, rape, and even kill, black Americans. They voted for segregationists, and against desegregationists. They were majority hardcore racists, for centuries, on a massive scale. Anyone who thinks that all suddenly went away, in 50 years, is a complete and utter moron, or a grifter.
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  7829.  @Fuwuzworsh  It is absolutely not a strawman, to point out the absolute fact, that even the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, the most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. It is absolutely not a strawman to point out the math of having power in congress and that, as a third party, you could be completely ignored, until you get a majority, if the other two parties work together. You, apparently, have no clue what a "strawman" is. AOC just used that PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives in the last primaries. She helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Some of the progressives she backed got absolutely trounced in very conservative districts, but a conservative Dem did end up winning the general. So, you Dore knobs are upset, that she wants the party to hold those seats in the midterms. I get it ... Dore knobs like Republicans in the majority, and progressives in a minority party. Wait. On one hand, a Dore argument is that corporate Dems would rather work with, or lose to, Republicans, than they would to work with, or lose to, progressives. On the other hand, a Dore argument is that they'll hate losing to Republicans, so much, that they'll turn more progressive. You realize that that's gibberish, right? Both can't be true. Just pretend that a hard all or nothing stance got you absolutely nothing, like you wanted.
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  7856.  @Hunter_Brandon  Dore didn't say to cast protest votes. His original plan, to simply "withhold", or "don't vote", would have handed the speakership to McCarthy. The fact that Pelosi ended up winning the speakership with less than 218 votes, and speakers before have won with less than 218 votes, proves that Dore was wrong when he insisted it was impossible for McCarthy to win without 218 votes. His 15 would need to cast protest votes, which Dore wasn't saying to do, or McCarthy would have been speaker. Even the amended plan, to cast protest votes, wouldn't necessarily be a threat to Pelosi. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats shy of being the majority of the party. They don't yet have the numbers to pick a progressive speaker. As long as the corporate Dem majority stuck with her, they could keep choosing Pelosi as the party speaker candidate over, and over, and over. All the 15 would be doing is paralyzing the house ... during a pandemic, meaning no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., with everyone blaming them. It could have been a PR nightmare. Plus, moving forward, now that you've openly started an all out civil war within the party, what happens when the progressive caucus does get those 15 more seats and picks the party speaker? Going third party is nonsensical is what the issue is. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. But, let's say you magically got enough progressives to vote third party that a progressive puritan party wins the same number number of seats as the current progressive caucus, 97 in the house and 1 senator. What you'd have is a republican plurality in the house, that only needs to work with a handful of the most conservative corporate Dems to pass anything, and could completely ignore the progressive party. You'd have Trump as president, since progressives and Dems would have split their votes between their two candidates. And, you'd have Pence as the tie breaker in the senate, making it a Republican senate. On the other hand, getting only 15 more progressive seats, within the Dem caucus, would make them the majority, would allow them to pick the party speaker candidate, would allow them to set the party agenda and, if also the majority of the house, put forward whatever bills you want and pick committee members. You know those committees that Dore doesn't consider important. Pelosi actually introduced M4A last session. The parliamentarian sent it to committees, where it died, where 90% of bills die. Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill, this session, and it has again been sent to committees. Instead of pressuring, calling out, or protesting, committee members to take up the bill, what are Dore, and his knobs, doing? Slandering AOC and Bernie, who were just trying to add another progressive vote to congress, in Nina Turner, who Dore abandoned. The paths Dore takes, or proposes, seem to benefit the far right most.
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  7866. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  7867. Your Twitter take on the fund freezing was shit, I have to say. The Supreme Court had agreed that blockading a border is already illegal. That makes donating to illegal activities, not legal. They are following donations for illegal activities to the accounts (following the money). They are not picking people out of a crowd and tracking them to their accounts (following people). Simply don't take donations to do illegal shit, and this would never apply to you. Unless you're one of the fabled Soros sponsored protesters, and you're doing illegal shit, this would never apply to you. Striking isn't illegal. Peaceful protest isn't illegal (blaring air horns 24/7, also not peaceful). Both of those are actually protected by the charter of rights. Comparing either of those to a border blockade (an actual military tactic), and what the Geneva conventions might consider sound torture, is nonsense. Plus, the IRS and CRA are freezing assets without due process and without emergency powers, all the time. Prosecutors have the assets of people charged frozen, before trial so they don't offload and hide their money, without emergency powers, all the time. Freezing people's assets has been going on forever, which makes freaking out about this one time, when it's applied to far right anti-vax loons, and when it took emergency powers, a weird take. Biden just froze an entire country's assets, with no due process or emergency powers needed. Maybe have his powers limited, so he can only do something like that, if given emergency powers by congress.
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  7883. woof beast Learn to read. Sam (the objectivist), not me (the relativist), should back up his objective morality stance and believe that if something is wrong, then it is always wrong. See, there's no contradiction, if I'm actually talking about two different people. Neat how that works, eh?  Sam got his PhD for the thesis The Moral Landscape. He took the philosophy route to neuroscience, not the biology route. He's not a scientist. He's a philosopher...and not a good one. The straw man was pretending I took an objective morality position myself, and then attacking it. I stated nothing about me, or my position. You were attacking some opponent you made up in your head. You started this second reply off with a straw man too, arguing against something I didn't actually say, because you have a reading comprehension problem. Focus man.  I've read enough of his crap. He clearly shows that he has no clue what the word "objective" actually means... "Consider, by analogy, the game of chess. Now, if you’re going to play good chess, a principle like, “Don’t lose your Queen,” is very good to follow. But it clearly admits some exceptions. There are moments when losing your Queen is a brilliant thing to do. There are moments when it is the only good thing you can do. And yet, chess is a domain of perfect objectivity. The fact that there are exceptions here does not change that at all." What actually is objective, about chess? The board is 8 squares by 8 squares. Certain pieces are allowed to move in a certain ways. If your king is captured, you lose the game. And, that’s about it. A good principle is not "objective", at all. What you ought to, and ought not, do is totally relative to your goal, and the situation you are in. Even winning being the goal isn’t an “objective” truth. If you are playing your child, and want to let them win, then you ought to let your king be captured. If you’re in a situation where you believe the best move is to lose your queen, then you ought to lose your queen. There is no “perfect objectivity” to chess. You make your move relative to the situation you are in, and relative to your end goal. Sam seems to have a serious problem understanding, exactly, what “objective” means. It should mean that something is true, independent of a mind. Something that is objectively true should always remain true. If a mind is deciding that something is true sometimes, but false at other times, to suit them, then that something should not be considered “objective”. It's relative. 
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  7904. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  7911.  @mellow_badger8585  Not at all upset. You don't have to worry your little Dore knob head, about me. It is literally not a town square, exactly because the town doesn't own it. They are private social clubs, with tos you need to adhere to, to retain your membership. Private clubs have been revoking memberships, since the dawn of private clubs. Private property owners have been having people removed from their private property since the dawn of private property. You have no right to be on someone else's private property, which means you have no right to be on their private property spewing whatever you want. If Trump walked into some golf club's ladies change room one too many times, as he is prone to do, and got a number of warnings not to, nobody would care if his membership was revoked. He'd also lose access the property, and saying what he wants on the property. That's the way private property works. Right wingers are the private property pushers. They're the ones that handed giant corporations so much power. They're the ones that made them equivalent to people, and argued they could have their own beliefs. They just get upset when those beliefs don't align with theirs. If Hobby Lobby was doing something anti-women, or Chick-fil-A was doing something anti-gay, they'd have no problem with it. They're only upset because they can't incite insurrections, defame voting machine companies, and spread covid and vaccine misinformation, without consequences. None of those things would necessarily even be protected speech in public, either. They're fine with outright using the government to make anti-BDS laws. They were fine with the government (head of government) firing, or threatening to fire, people who said things that contradicted him. They're fine with maintaining the FCC to protect their delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. Etc. These aren't people that actually care about free speech, or they'd support the one way to get it. No, they just want to try and regulate things in a way that protects them from consequences. Rofl. I know the history of the ACA. So, the thing that Republicans didn't introduce to congress as their own policy, that they all voted against, that they have tried to repeal dozens of times over, that Trump ran on repealing, that they are still trying to repeal and are still fighting in court, is "their" big policy for the lower class? I've never argued that Democrats don't do things to harm the working class. I'm asking about what pro working class policies the right has. The left has things like M4A, the Green New Deal, student loan relief, free college, affordable housing, etc., etc., etc. Sure, a bunch of corporate Dems aren't left enough, and need replacing, to make any of those happen. Upper and lower class has always been the same thing as right and left. The upper class has always managed to get some working class stooges on board, to support their crap that doesn't do anything for the working class. If your best example of "their" policy that helped the working class is something they voted against and have constantly fought against, that's pretty sad.
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  7920. Rofl. Ben "facts don't care about your feelings" Shapiro's entire worldview is based on a fairytale. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. And, other early Zionists said similar things. Like Ze'ev predicted, Palestinians have been reacting to colonialism, like everyone else before them. No religious nuttery required, for that reaction. Even Native Americans reached a point, where they were so sick of being colonized, that they wanted to push the white man back into the sea. And, it wasn't simply because they were white, or did it have anything to do with the Natives' religion. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: You simply outright lied, about Israel not being an occupier. Nazis didn't actually live inside the Warsaw ghetto. Colonizing and occupying don't mean exactly the same thing. Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  7938.  @jrodamores87  Cry about reality all you want, but it won't change it ... Library of Congress: Crossing the Straights "The first Cubans to flee were the wealthiest—affluent professionals and members of the Batista regime who feared reprisals from the new government. More than 200,000 of these "golden exiles" had left Cuba for the U.S. by 1962, when air flights between the two countries were suspended. Between 1965 and 1973, a few flights resumed from Varadero beach in Cuba, and 300,000 more Cubans, who became known as Varaderos, seized the opportunity to emigrate. Many of the Cubans of these first waves felt that it was only a matter of time before the new government was overthrown, and planned to wait in the U.S. for their opportunity to return." Long View: How the Fight Against Castro Once Terrorized U.S. Cities "On April 12, 1974, José Elías de la Torriente was sitting in his home in Coral Gables, Florida, when he was shot and killed by an unknown assailant firing through the living room window. Torriente, a prominent local businessman, had crossed Miami’s Cuban exile community after failing to follow through on plans to invade Cuba and overthrow Fidel Castro. His death marked the start of a period of political violence that would lead the FBI to call Miami the terrorist capital of the United States. Though it’s largely forgotten today, some Cuban-American exile groups in the mid-1970s were responsible for one of the most impactful waves of terror in U.S. history. Authorities in that period tied them to 113 bombings on U.S. soil, killing around a dozen people. In 1974, Cuban exiles accounted for 45 percent of all terrorist bombings on the planet, according to José Luis Méndez’s Los Años del Terror."
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  7939. ​ @picilocarnal  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. And, other early Zionists said similar things. Like Ze'ev predicted, Palestinians have been reacting to colonialism, like everyone else before them. No religious nuttery required, for that reaction. Even Native Americans reached a point, where they were so sick of being colonized, that they wanted to push the white man back into the sea. And, it wasn't simply because they were white, or did it have anything to do with the Natives' religion. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: You simply outright lied, about Israel not being an occupier. Nazis didn't actually live inside the Warsaw ghetto. Colonizing and occupying don't mean exactly the same thing. Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  7976.  @SR-lh4rm  That was a whole lot of nonsense. Businesses are never the final consumer, because they are also selling goods and services to consumers themselves. Whatever input VAT they've paid, they can subtract from whatever output VAT they've collected from their own sales. Even if they have a return period where they've somehow paid more input VAT than they've collected in output VAT, they can then get a refund from the government for that amount. Businesses don't f-ing pay into a VAT, in the end. Inventing some alternate tax, that leaves the cost on businesses, would be the opposite of what a VAT does, and would allow for double taxation. If my business bought something for $1000 and paid $100 in an additional 10% tax, then I would make sure to cover my extra costs. Instead of selling for my pre tax $2000, I'd now sell for $2100, to keep the profit margin the same. The next buyer would then get charged $210 additional tax, $10 of which would be a tax on the $100 tax I included in my price. If they used to sell for $3000, they'd now sell for $3210, to keep their profit margin the same. The next buyer would then pay $321 in additional tax, $21 of which would be taxes upon taxes. You get it? If I buy for $1000, pay $100 input VAT, know I'm going to get paid back, I then sell for $2000, collect $200 in output VAT, pay myself back $100, and send $100 to the government. The next sells for $3000, collects $300, keeps $200, and also sends $100 to the government. What you're inventing would be f-ing worse. It's exactly what a VAT is designed to avoid. You are so amazingly clueless.
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  7989.  @SR-lh4rm  ROFL!!!!!!!!!! You said absolutely nothing, at all, of relevance to what I was saying. That was absolutely hilarious! Thank you. Yes, if you think someone has described a loophole, or some way to "game the system", then you should be able to give an example of how that might happen. You just can't, because you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You're babbling nonsense. It doesn't matter which way you do your accounting. For the VAT period in question, you fill out a VAT return, and simply list all input VAT paid during that period on all expenses for the business, and list all output VAT collected during that period on sales. You subtract input VAT from output VAT, paying yourself back for all input VAT, and sending the government the difference. Or, if you've somehow paid more input VAT than you've collected in output VAT, you send for a refund from the government, and still get paid back all your input VAT. There's no loophole, because it's specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in the first place. There's no "gaming the system", when the system isn't designed to tax you in the first place. There's no way to make money off it, without committing a crime. You are so absolutely clueless. How many hours have you spent inventing bullshit. Go watch a few min video on how a VAT works. Amazon, who Yang claimed a VAT would tax, even has tutorials on exactly how a VAT doesn't tax businesses, even for non resale B2B expenses. You're quite insane cultist.
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  7990.  @anderseckstrand7033  AOC supports M4A. She shares that support for M4A on a platform that reaches 40x more people than Jimmy. On top of her 10m direct audience, a single M4A tweet of hers was retweeted 70 thousand times, compared to Jimmy's best, at under 2k (and that was during this big "trending" moment he thinks he's having). The woman absolutely destroys Jimmy at the only thing he does. On top of that, she was the one who took out the #2 corporate Dem, she started a progressive PAC to counter the DCCC, she fended off another DCCC backed corporate Dem, her PAC helped get more progressives elected to congress even as corporate Dems lost seats (which is why she was punished, as they mentioned) ... you know, doing the things, getting progressive numbers up, that need doing to actually get M4A to pass. That's the kind of stuff that will have to still happen after Jimmy's vote fails, anyway. She has done more for the progressive movement in 2 years than Jimmy has in 20. And, Sam, well he did his best in 2016 to convince at least one moron, that Trump was dangerous, and that multiple scotus seats being filled was a possibility and also dangerous, but ... the idiot stuck to his guns, thinking Trump would be better for progressives, would bring about a massive progressive wave leading to a 2020 Warren presidency, that Republicans would even work with the left against the "maniacal fascist", and that the likelihood of Trump filling multiple scotus seats was on par with the moon falling into Lake Michigan. Maybe Sam could have done more, pushed back even harder, but it's not really Sam's fault that the guy was so stupid.
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  7995.  @Evirthewarrior  There's already a record of people who haven't signed on to M4A. You'll get an updated record, when the bill is reintroduced next session. AOC just helped replace some corporate Dems who wouldn't. You still need to replace almost 100 politicians in the house and a couple dozen in the senate. If Jimmy has 100 new pro-M4A progressives in his back pocket, why didn't he pull them out and run them in the election that just happened? If you can't even replace all the ones already openly opposed to M4A, trying to get a few extra names of fakers isn't going to help you much. A vote guaranteed to fail won't even necessarily expose fakers. They could vote for it without worrying it will pass. What do you mean it would already have passed the house? You're delusional. It needs almost 100 more people to sign on for it, in the house alone. No. It's not "literally impossible" for the Republican candidate to win. It's majority of votes cast. For every 2 abstentions, absents, or unfilled seats, the threshold needed to win drops by 1. Jimmy arguing that corporate Dems would rather work with Republicans than progressives is actually an argument against his plan, not for it, since it increases the risk they'd work together against progressives. And if they just let you keep paralyzing the government, during a pandemic, that could also look bad on progressives. No votes on a minimum wage increase. No votes on lowering the social security age. No votes on more covid relief. Etc. They'd definitely propagandize it all, to make progressives look as bad as possible. Jimmy thought the moon would fall into Lake Michigan before Trump could fill multiple scotus seats. He's not good at risk assessment. Negatives, that he makes out to be impossible, actually aren't impossible.
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  8003.  @Evirthewarrior  Fascists are fascists before they get complete power. 28% of Republicans, and many Republican lawmakers, don't want Trump to concede under any circumstances. Whether it happened, or not, they've embraced overt fasism and the end of the democratic process. Many are leaving their already batshit crazy FOX News for even more extreme absolutely nonsensical propaganda stations. He packed in tons of conservative judges, including multiple scotus seats (When Jimmy did his risk assessment, he even agreed that would be horrible, he just thought it was as likely to happen as the moon falling into Lake Michigan. Is it horrible or not?). You lot are insane, yourself, if you think that's samesies as neolibs. And even more insane, if you think progressives are samesies as neolibs. We might not be talking about M4A, if it weren't for Bernie. Him recognizing that Republicans are even worse, and opposing them, just means he's sane. And, AOC helping to add extra Pro-M4A votes to congress is exactly what you need to happen to ever pass it. Many of the anti-mask protesters, etc., have been Trump cultists, encouraged by their cult leader. Why would it have been worse, without their cult leader? Why would it have been worse with a pandemic response team prepared to act? The US has had a pathetically low testing rate, one of the most important things to actually contain the virus. Why would it have been worse? N Korea's president gathered corporate leaders and told them the country would need a ton of masks, and it got done. That's leadership. It didn't take forcing them. It had nothing to do with whether federal, state, or local politicians had what powers. Trump's response has been complete incompetence. He also repeatedly threatened state and local politicians going against his bullshit, with defunding. He encouraged his cult to ignore them. Even if they have more control over some things, he fought against them.
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  8014. @Zackariah Schultz If you say things like "I will argue", with zero reference to others arguing the same thing before, then you're presenting the argument as your own, not simply something you agree with. Might be fine for a casual conversation, but not for a lecture, article, or whatever, presenting yourself as a scholar in the field. What ... do you want an entire lecture, or article, quoted here, showing an absence of him giving credit to other philosophers before him? All his lectures and articles? Lol Criticizing a specific idea is different from fearmongering about people and arguing to discriminate against them. You know the difference between criticizing authoritarian forms of communism and regressively fearmongering against left leaning people of all sorts, like during McCarthyism, right? If you've never heard him present simply "Muslims" as a problem in a "thought" experiment, like with nuclear weapons for example, or never heard him argue to profile Muslims, then why are you so worried about someone you know little about? Do you also know there's a difference between a book and a religion? Harris has outright said himself that he just recently learned this from Nawaz, which then contradicts a number of his previous arguments, and validates the critics of those previous arguments. His AI argument has to do with an AI as advanced to us as we are to ants. He argues we'd have to worry about it having different values, that don't align with ours, and it turning against us. But, if you use the same argument he uses for Moral Landscape, then the AI's values should be objectively better than ours, and the AI should objectively have more value than us. Contradicting his own hierarchy argument, which gives us more value than ants, Sam still values humans more than the advanced AI. If his hierarchy was truly objective, then any future AI, or other species, found to be more advanced than us, should objectively have more value than us. No, simply calling someone else an idiot isn't idiotic. Repeatedly presenting arguments that contradict your other arguments is idiotic. Presenting old ideas as your own is idiotic. Not being able to get any further than what you already say is a given is idiotic. Constantly presenting non-analagous "analogies" is idiotic. Etc.
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  8064. ​ @hajkie  No. He called out the bombing of a refugee camp. He seemed fine with everything else. His starting point was that Hamas was the aggressor. He didn't want to hear any context. He threw people providing context under the bus, and in the same box with people openly cheering the Hamas attack. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8066. ​ @rachelh7886  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8134. ​ @moscowboyjer  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8150. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8175. ​ @matthewgoedtel5998  Pakman is acting like an "enlightened centrist", not much different than Piers Morgan, when there are objective facts that Israel is the aggressor. Being in the middle, not recognizing reality, is somewhat as delusional as being opposed to reality. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8204.  @FoxExcess  Saying they wanted to be seperate from the British is like saying Confederates wanted to be seperate from the Union. It has nothing to do with the cause of the whole situation. The cause was a tax to pay for the red coats stationed there, who kept the peace and defended the colony during the French-Indian war. Colonialist leaders actually went out of their way, trying not to separate, and to resolve their grievances through the British government. Pretending like there isn't a problem with US cops, and like everyone they harm deserves it, is simply moronic. Even with the internet, you somehow haven't seen cops caught on a security cam beating the shit out of someone who wasn't resisting, which they claimed was? You haven't seen a video of cops shooting a kid with a toy gun before the car even completely comes to a stop? You haven't seen a video of a cop caught on someone's cell phone shooting a guy in the back and then planting a gun? Etc. Etc. Etc. Do you somehow think that every bad cop has magically been caught on camera, and that there aren't a bunch more of them that haven't been? Christ, the colonialist protesters were violently throwing rocks at red coats when the red coats shot and killed only 5 of them, and they considered that a "massacre", and the red coats in the wrong, blaming all of them, and the government, for the actions of a few. You don't seem to give a crap if cops line up like a firing squad and blast a kid full of holes, just for holding a knife. Face it. You're the authoritarian, on the side of King Dumpty. Are you also ones of those idiots whose ready to do away with the democratic process?
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  8248. ​ @frankie4827  Hey MAGA moron, "Trump's" big stock market gains occurred during his first year, while Obama's last budget was still in effect. The stock market basically flatlined, at the start of 2018, when Trump's first budget, and his tax breaks for corporations and the rich, kicked in. Even with all the stock buybacks, falsely inflating stock values, that corporations spent their tax breaks on, the stock market barely held its head above water. There has been no major change in border policy, and no open borders. Your type keeps whining about drugs, when it has been well documented, for decades, that drugs mainly come across at legit border crossings. Drug dealers don't want their drugs washed down the river, or stuck in holding, dumb dumb. Plus, Trump had more border crossings, averaged out per year, than Obama. He wasn't better at it than the guy before him. Gas prices started jumping under Bush. People don't seem to know that US oil companies have long complained that OPEC kept oil prices too low. Oil costs more to produce, in North America, so there's less of a profit margin. As soon as the US got a foot in OPEC, by invading Iraq, prices started jumping, handing US oil companies the larger profit margins they wanted, from NA oil. Prices spiked to $4.40 (adjusted to 2023 dollars). By the end of Obama's presidency, prices had dropped to $2.59 (2023 dollars). The price went back up to around $3 (2023), under Trump, and only dropped in 2020 (globally) due to COVID, not due to anything Dumpty did. There is global inflation, due to rebounding from COVID, not due to anything Biden did. The US is actually doing better than many other countries.
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  8254.  @JohnJ469  You are a complete and utter moron. There are 2 axes, economic and authoritarian, so the terms I used were just fine. To make out like a 100% privately owned and operated absolute monarchy (100% totalitarian capitalism) is samesies to a society with all worker owned industries and a direct democracy (100% anarcho-socialism), simply because the latter is a kind of "socialism" is absolutely nonsensical. You'd have to be dumber than a stump, to believe that. One person owning everything is the complete opposite of everything being publicly owned. One person being the ultimate authority is the complete opposite of authority being in the hands of everyone. Both Italy's and Germany's pre-war (all nations' war economies are more controlled) economies favoured privatization. They were leaders in it, at the time. Again, people just doing stuff together, as a group, isn't f*cking socialism. People could be trying to defeat socialism, as a group, and that's exactly what fascists tried to do. Nazis were literally arresting people for "illegal socialist activity", not "illegal international activity". Hitler literally killed off the left leaning members of his party on the Night of the Long Knives. He made a secret pamphlet, for his industrialist backers, telling them there would be no serious attempt to redistribute wealth. He handed his crony backers slave labour. He handed his crony backers Jewish businesses and property. He handed his crony backers seized businesses and property, after conquests. They got rich off of him. That's why they also stood trial, after the war, because they weren't doing it at gunpoint. To think that the monarch of Spain (who had enough military available to squash the fascists, but instead decided to back them, exactly because they had been fighting socialism), and other nobility, representing the epitome of private ownership, were socialists, is truly f*cking bizarre. Plenty of governments got bossy during wartime, dictating what needed to be produced, dictating what couldn't be hoarded, dictating lights out, etc., etc., etc. ... that doesn't equate to socialism either. Every country in WWII didn't suddenly become magically "socialist", just more authoritarian.
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  8259.  @Newton-Reuther  Organizing or sponsoring? What are you looking for, exactly? 2 weeks ago: "AOC at a ramadan event in New York. Spoke about a ceasefire and conditioning aid to Israel! AOC has been calling for a ceasefire. Tonight, she spoke in a rally with Cori Bush to a group of rabbis." "Progressive Democrats protest Israeli president's address to US Congress Jul 18, 2023 — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib say they intend to boycott address due to Israel's treatment of Palestinians." "Ilhan Omar leads 384 worldwide leaders in call for Gaza ceasefire The American signatories are the representatives Omar, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, André Carson, Greg Casar, Jesús García, Hank Johnson, Summer Lee, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Nydia Velázquez and Bonnie Watson Coleman." "'Squad' Dems face backlash calling for 'ceasefire' after Israel attacks Oct 7, 2023 — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., called for a "ceasefire and de-escalation" after the surprise terrorist attack by Hamas on Israel." "AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights Nov 15, 2023 — Twenty-four Democrats in Congress have urged Joe Biden to end “grave violations of children's rights” by pushing for an immediate ceasefire" Votes against the State Department appropriation bill (which includes the annual aid to IL), every year. Bills to condition aid to IL. Bills calling for ceasefire. She, and the other progressives, are prepping to take on AIPAC sponsored opponents, shortly.
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  8283. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8318. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8488. Ummm, most modern countries have mixed economies. A mix of capitalism and socialism is working almost everywhere. We went through periods of little socialism, where only the rich were educated and got the best health care, while the poor were mostly uneducated, except for a very few that charity schools could handle, and they only had access to charity hospitals where you were more likely to die, or get sicker. The Western frontiers were basically ancap environments, before the law and government moved in. Private landowners hired private armies and settled disputes privately. It quickly devolved into feudalism. Cattle barons were a problem right into the 20th century, until the law and government moved in and stopped them. Feudalism may have worked for some time, but it ultimately failed. People got sick of private land owners, with monopolies, running their lives. Marx pointed at tribal socialism as the roots of socialism. Tribes didn't haggle over trading part of a deer for the use of a fire. That's just nonsense. People just had different roles, and they shared pretty much everything. That worked for tens of thousands of years, before people started settling and claiming property. Socialism/anarchism was also working in Spain. Their system didn't fail, it was conquered by fascists. People point at Venezuela, but they nationalized a single resource. That's not outright socialism. That's a mixed economy, like almost every other. Their problem was being too dependent on a single resource and then the price of oil dropping. Even Saudi had losses. They just had more savings and had already started diversifying their economy. Also, very authoritarian versions of anything are bad. Sure, authoritarian chrony communism sucks. So does authoritarian chrony capitalism (fascism). Authoritarian capitalism has failed its citizens. Anarcho-capitalism has failed, by devolving into feudalism. Randian Libertarian capitalism has failed, because the rich just aren't charitable enough. Authoritarian communism has failed its citizens. Mixed economies, democratic socialism, anarcho-socialism, are still up for debate, and the only positions that aren't proven failures.
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  8524.  @jamesmcelroy5830  Like the fact that not voting, or casting a useless vote, only benefits Republicans? Like the fact that Dumpty did fill multiple scotus seats, and the moon didn't fall into Lake Michigan? Like the fact that there were dozens of inspections showing Syria used chemical weapons, and that 2 dissenting opinions on a single inspection doesn't even refute that inspection, let alone all those dozens of others (that didn't have dissenting opinions)? Like the fact that the entire progressive caucus doesn't have the majority needed to pick a different party speaker candidate, meaning the majority of house Democrats could have kept picking Pelosi over and over and over again? Like the fact that Dore actually promoted that 15 progressives abstain, rather than cast protest votes, which would have handed the house speakership to McCarthy? Like the fact that Dore promoted abandoning Nina Turner ... abandoning adding another M4A yes vote to congress, when getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill? Like the fact that he spewed a ton of garbage about COVID, vaccines, and "alternatives"? Like the fact that Rumble is funded by Peter Thiel (mega MAGA donor, who made his billions helping the government spy on its citizens), and they paid Tulsi, Greenwald, and Dore, to join their platform? Etc. Grifters claim they're selling you something beneficial, but are actually selling you something useless, or even harmful. The paths Dore proposes taking don't lead to where he claims they do. They lead to Republicans ruling for decades to come.
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  8547.  ArchAingeal    Rofl. You're bad at editing, then, dumbass, because there's no longer a reply of yours here that starts "god what a nonsense reply", no longer a reply between my two definitions, no longer a reply to jump to from the partial notification. That's all that is left, a partial notification. Oxford: The presence of, or support for the presence of, several distinct cultural or ethnic groups within a society. https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/multiculturalism Stanford: "Yet multicultural claims include a wide range of claims involving religion, language, ethnicity, nationality, and race. Culture is a contested, open-ended concept, and all of these categories have been subsumed by or equated with the concept of culture." https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/multiculturalism/ Canadian Multiculturalism Act: recognize and promote the understanding that multiculturalism reflects the cultural and racial diversity of Canadian society and acknowledges the freedom of all members of Canadian society to preserve, enhance and share their cultural heritage; BC Multiculturalism Act: to recognize that the diversity of British Columbians as regards race, cultural heritage, religion, ethnicity, ancestry and place of origin is a fundamental characteristic of the society of British Columbia that enriches the lives of all British Columbians; http://www.immigrantwelcome.ca/resources/42-canadian-multiculturalism-act. I think you're just not recognizing that a "culture" is attached to some group of people, and those people could be grouped a variety of different ways, including by ethnicity. Can't all the words, you're moronicaly nitpicking about, also be used in a cultural sense? Scottish culture? English culture? Pakistani culture? Native American culture?
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  8560. ​ @X2LR8  No thanks. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8600.  @Nitro1000  Rofl. You're making up nonsense. You made it sound like "suppliers" aren't themselves companies that can deduct their input VAT from their output VAT. They are, and also end up paying no VAT. Only the final consumer can't reclaim their VAT. Most companies aren't illegally dodging taxes, by hiding huge numbers of sales. They're using a ridiculous number of write offs to legally cancel out their tax burden. A VAT won't change that. Nowhere did Yang claim that, although a VAT doesn't tax businesses directly, it'll force them into honest accounting, and indirectly force them to pay corporate taxes, or some such nonsense. He outright, incorrectly, claimed a VAT would tax giant corporations, directly. He singled out Amazon. Meanwhile, Amazon UK has their own tutorial page on how a VAT doesn't tax businesses. He also posted a link to a pass through rate study, that he didn't grasp, or lied about, claiming it showed businesses were paying a large portion of the VAT. It actually showed a near 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services. It was only by adding lesser rated and zero rated goods and services that the pass through rate dropped. It wasn't that businesses were paying a large portion of the VAT, it was that a large number of sales had less or no tax added (most sales are necessities, that are zero rated). Consumers were still paying the entire VAT. Yang argued himself that corporations should be paying for, or into, the UBI. He repeatedly compared his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by corporations. But, his VAT/UBI combo plan wouldn't actually do that. If you don't have giant corporations paying into the UBI, then they only get the benefits of it being spent. That would make the likes of Amazon extra tens of billions a year, which would make Bezos extra billions a year. As a consumer, he could buy a brand new $500m yacht, every single year, pay $50m in VAT, and still be extra billions ahead. The vast majority of the money would trickle up to the very top and stay there. That's the entire problem with "trickle down", right now.
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  8677. ​ @mychannel5019  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8678. ​ @elconquistador5469  The UN Office of Genocide Prevention considers ethnic cleansing in their wheelhouse. Because, if they don't move, they die. Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  8681. Nah, it's more a problem with folks like Pakman, and people scared to call certain things "socialism". "Social democracy" is a decent mix of both capitalism and socialism. If you want to socialize a sector of society, say have health insurance publicly owned and operated, or education publicly owned and operated, then those sectors of society are socialistic. If you did that with all sectors, you'd have 100% socialism. If you privatized everything, have all sectors privately owned and operated, then you'd have 100% capitalism. Nobody disagrees that privatizing something isn't capitalistic. A true centrism (not US centrism which is actually right of centre) would be about 50/50 capitalism/socialism. Denmark pays like 60% taxes, has 70+% unionization, and has 30% of its workforce in the public sector. It's a pretty even mix, and ranked one of the best places in the world to live. So, "social democracy" is more properly democratic centrism, which is both "capitalism" and "socialism". David, and others, are just being dodgy, implying it's not at all "socialism". Basically every country in the world, except for the few remaining absolute monarchies, is now running on some percentage of both capitalism and socialism. Bernie is committed to democracy, and is currently only pushing for that kind of centrism. If his actual ideal is well left of that centre, then he's a democratic socialist. If not, then maybe he should call himself a democratic centrist. Either way, he is committed to the democratic part, and will only go as far as democracy will allow.
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  8695.  @franquil85conn  It doesn't matter where in the US, for federal taxes. No clue why you're including them. If Amazon is in NYC or Juneau, it's all the same to their revenue, and they weren't officially involved. That would be the branch of government AOC was elected to, and she was also not officially involved. She had absolutely no vote on the matter. Cuomo blamed state senators, who were officially involved. AOC isn't one. Amazon blamed state and local officials, who were officially involved. AOC is neither of those. The mayor blamed Amazon. You clearly only mentioned annual income tax, which wouldn't pay back the city, at all, which was offering half of the $3b. Cities shouldn't be paying for stadiums, either. Let the billionaire owners pay for them. There was a proposed housing project, for that property. So, the city was throwing away property taxes, by a) offering for an already lower rate commercial use, and b) offering to cut that already lower rate in half. NYC already grows by around 25000 people a year, the vast majority of which find jobs, without throwing away over $1b to a billionaire. That amount of jobs is a blip, in a city of 8+ million people. Plus, beyond throwing money away ... one of the issues was that Amazon wouldn't commit to hiring locally. Bringing in thousands more people, while tossing out housing projects (including 1500 affordable housing units), would drive up demand on what's currently available, increasing rents, and not employing the locals. Pure downside for the locals. Stop talking about things that are irrelevant (federal government, federal representative, income taxes) to paying back the city, if you don't want to hear how they're irrelevant to paying back the city, and take a civics lesson or something.
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  8759.  @Gonken88  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8760.  @laqueefa8509  Dore is an idiot. The original "plan" he "organized" was to hand the speakership to McCarthy, because Dore's original wording, and numerous times after, never stated that the 15 progressives he picked need to cast protest votes. He kept repeating simply "withhold" or "don't vote for", which implies abstaining. It took others to fix the major hole in his "plan", because he's an idiot who doesn't know how the government works. Dore also "organized" helping Trump win in 2016, by arguing that Trump was a better option than Clinton, not caring if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown of Medicaid expansion, and not caring to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion. He also "organized" supporting Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" over Bernie and M4A. He also "organized" an attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent in 2020, doing what he could to help him win again. He also "organized" support for the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. A route that would, at best peel away enough progressive votes from Dems to hand the party totally back to corporate Dems and let Republicans rule for decades. Dimwit Dore knobs don't grasp that "vote blue" works both ways, and that Dem voters who vote against progressives in the primaries vote for them in the general. If you simply split off progressives, elections would look like a two candidate Dem primary vs a single candidate Republican general, and Republicans would win in most places. Dore is a grifter, who doesn't actually care about getting anyone healthcare anytime soon.
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  8786.  @GD-rd6ig  Man, you are so dishonest. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8820.  @James-gq4tb  Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923 ... "There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority. My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage." It is apparently very expected, and always has been expected, that the natives would "respond" badly to colonialism, and yet Israel continues to do it. Colonialists are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. If you don't want to hear about anything the colonialists did, prior to the Powhatan Confederacy's massacre of Jamestown civilians, and act like that is the first thing that happened, and then argue as if it's reasonable and expected that the colonialists would "respond ", then you're not getting an objective picture, at all. Native Americans got to the point where they wanted nothing more than to push the white man back into the sea, and it wasn't simply that he was white. Jews lived in Muslim nations for 1300 years. Muslims took them in, gave them refuge, when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. The Ottomans even okayed very early Zionism, which was closer to simply immigration. Everything changed when Zionism turned colonialist, and they started talking about carving out a colonialist nation. Muslim nations didn't just magically turn anti-Semitic, for no reason one day.
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  8881. ​ @tomiapple9848  The world didn't begin on Oct 7, dimwit. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8888. Likud, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  8897. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8910. ​ @TransKidsMafia  Fact is Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8915. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  8954.  @andym9571  It is a fact that the British planned to carve out a colonialist nation for the Zionists. They then hummed and hawed over multiple plans, and had numerous bureaucratic commissions looking into all aspects of the society, geography, etc., etc., trying to figure out exactly how to do it. Years went by (it was 30 years from the Balfour declaration to Israel's declaration of independence). It is then also a fact that the Zionists got impatient. After about 10 years in, they created terrorist groups, like the Irgun and Lehi, and started attacking the Brits. They also bombed Palestinian markets, killing many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). And, once WWII refugees started coming in, it somewhat overwhelmed the Brits, who weren't done doing their figuring out, and they tried to slow down refugees coming in, which intensified the Zionist resistance to them. So, it's somewhat along the lines of the British starting the colonies in North America, and then the Americans rebelling. It just happened over a shorter period of time, and resistance from the settlers started before the British had even finished their planning stage. But, they were definitely there to do colonialism, and a new nation, carved out of native territory, did emerge. As for those terrorists, the new nation of Israel merged them into their military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, terrorist, murderer, child killer, who bombed the King David Hotel, as PM. To this day, Israelis celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Rivlin hosts 90th anniversary of founding Irgun Zvai Leumi (Etzel) By GREER FAY CASHMAN Published: MARCH 1, 2021 Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
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  8958.  @bravesirkevin  No warping. You straight up seem to be restricting my human rights. So I can't ever threaten to stop using a company's services, if I don't like the service they're providing, or the environment they're allowing for? That sounds like you're the one demanding I either stay in an abusive relationship, or just leave quietly, with no middle ground of coming to a compromise for the relationship. Either that other guy is doing something inappropriate, or he's not, right? If he is, she might agree with my argument and ditch him. If he is, but she won't ditch him, you would rather me endure the inappropriate behavior, and just whine about it, without taking an actual stance? If he isn't, she might think my argument is nuts and ditch me. Or, maybe she'd tell me to stop being paranoid, or she'll leave me. Or, would you likewise have her either endure a paranoid boyfriend, or leave quietly, with no option of compromise? Banning the Dixie Chicks largely started at the top and went down. Right wing media corporations made a big deal about it, and the ones that also owned music stations stopped playing their music. It wasn't like they were coerced by the masses. That's back to private companies deciding for themselves. Can they, or can't they? Can they share their displeasure with the Dixie Chicks with the public? Not being able to make demands from a service you're paying for, or a service that's making money off you, sounds nonsensical. If an apocalypse preacher is shouting at people in a restaurant, does everyone simply have to endure it? You can't tell staff to make the preacher stop, or you'll take your business elsewhere?
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  8961.  @bravesirkevin  Holy fuck, you're all over the place. Your original "analogy" didn't include any possible valid reason. I give an example, adding a possible valid reason. You didn't like me adding a possibly valid reason, and again made a zero valid reason "analogy". Then, I address that, and you say I'm going to extremes. Now, you say there could be many reasons. Right, and can any of those reasons be valid? Bad influence? If her friend is a junky or alcoholic, and is leading her down the same path, is having an intervention, and giving an ultimatum, "abuse"? If my kid falls in with the wrong croud, and they talk the kid into stealing something, is it "abuse" to say they can't hang around with that crowd anymore? That sounds like absolute nonsense. Your "analogy" only seems to work if the reasoning is based on absolutely nothing. But, again, when I point out that's not analogous to anything, you think I'm the one who's extreme. Plenty of people think Israel is doing no wrong. So it's okay to boycott, if you think they're doing wrong, or not? As someone else mentioned, you seem to be the one arguing against freedom of association, by not allowing people to say they don't want to associate with certain people. Why would the preacher be "not allowed" to preach in a restaurant? Are you saying businesses can set rules for behavior on their private property, and fully have the right to kick people out who violate those rules? And it doesn't count as abuse? What if they don't have a rule, yet, for a certain behavior? Is it "abuse" to ask management for a new rule, that gets someone kicked out? Who is doing anything analogous to going into a church and demanding a preacher stop preaching?
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  8974.  @bravesirkevin  What are you even talking about? Fascists weren't censored, and rational thought didn't win out. Intolerance was tolerated and rational thought wasn't gloriously victorious. Trump just got done convincing tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any courts, any election officials, any doctors, any nurses, any scientists, any other politicians, anybody, even to not believe their own lying eyes, if any of those contradicted Supreme Leader. He pulled off the most Big Brother like propaganda campaign in US history. He even convinced 28% of Republicans (still millions of people) to embrace overt fascism, saying they didn't want him to concede under any circumstances. They were okay with openly ending the democratic process and keeping an unelected ruler in power. Do you think all horrible ideas that have taken over countries just magically popped into the minds of the masses one day, or something? I don't think you know much about history, at all. Did women win the right to vote, simply by convincing everyone with rational argument? No. They had to protest, as well as make ultimatums, on top of rational debate. And then, after pushing the majority to their position, they forced it on the remaining irrational sexists. Did slavery end simply with rational argument? Did segregation end simply with rational argument? Just how long do you think we "need" to debate racism, exactly? Do you not consider the subject settled? Numerous countries have hate speech laws (which are simply similar to defamation and threat laws extended to groups of people, rather than just an individual) and those countries top the US, which doesn't have hate speech laws, on multiple freedom indexes. You slipped all the way down the slope to severely intolerant regimes, regimes that actually rose up by freely spreading their intolerant ideas.
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  8976.  @bravesirkevin  Ironic, coming from someone who apparently didn't read, or didn't grasp, what I actually said about fascism. Hell, you didn't even seem read, or grasp, a quote you posted yourself, in its entirety. You seem to think fascists magically appeared in positions of power, one day, that their intolerant ideas just magically popped into the minds of the masses. Apparently, you would have been defending their "right" to promote the idea of having a single dictator make all the wrong decisions, promote the idea of ending democracy. You'd be someone claiming that them being able to spread their anti-democratic ideas, that would end people's most important form of speech, as a good thing, right up until they did attain positions of power. And then you'd be screwed. Debating exactly what form of democracy to have is different than debating whether zero democracy is bad, right? Aren't we done with that debate? Dictatorships are bad, aren't they? Debating solutions to rape or murder, is different than debating whether we want them happening in society, or not. What is the benefit of a Richard Spencer promoting the idea that a racist society, a single race society, would be good? To me, that's like someone promoting the idea that allowing people to rape and murder whoever they want, would be good. That person is insane, and is promoting things that would harm, and clearly violate the human rights of others. It appears, to me, to be an attempt at incitement, because if enough people bought the ideas being promoted, terrible things would happen to others. You said you were against incitement, but it seems like you would defend incitement, as it's happening. You also don't seem to grasp a little word, like "simply". Did I say there was zero rational argument behind any of those things? No. I asked if there was "simply" rational argument, which already implies there was some. You know, "simply", as in only, or just. And, I didn't even state exactly how complex I imagined anything to be. Saudi isn't even 100 years old. 19th century European women, travelling in the previous Ottoman Empire, thought women in the Empire had more freedoms than them. That same Empire had decriminalized homosexuality, while countries in Europe, and states in the US, were still considering it illegal, or a mental health issue, and locking people up. The freedom loving Brits were the ones who instead handed land to a theocratic monarchy, and the freedom loving US is the country who has rewarded that theocratic monarchy's behaviour the most. Both of those freedom loving countries have also overthrown democratically elected non religious fanatics, in the ME, just because their economics leaned a bit to the left. And, they've outright backed religious fanatics, as well. American colonies still had Puritans, 100 years in, who didn't allow women to do much. And, are you now promoting Britain using ultimatums, in business dealings, to cancel other countries' ideas of how to do things, as a good thing? That wasn't abusive boyfriend behaviour? You, basically, just argued that it's perfectly fine for the Dr Seuss folks to decide that racist images aren't really family friendly, or social media platforms to decide their TOS to appeal to whatever audience they want to attract. It's perfectly fine if a business guesses what its consumers want. Totally abuse if consumers tell a business what they want. I don't watch CNN, or FOX. So, my solution is to watch neither, rather than both. Seriously? You think it's possible that local Republican election officials, state level Republican officials, conservative judges (some even appointed by Trump himself), federal Republican election security officials, and even some right wing media, joined up to cover up widespread election fraud? You think it's possible that politicians worldwide, media worldwide, doctors worldwide, nurses worldwide, scientists worldwide, are perpetrating a covid hoax? Do you also think it's possible that the Democrat party are a bunch of devil worshippers that eat babies, or whatever?
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  8977.  @bravesirkevin   Fascism: Extreme anti-socialism, it's the number one thing Mussolini stated fascism was opposed to. Anti union, they destroyed unions and outlawed striking. Ultra nationalism, everyone work together to make the nation great, with an idea of what makes for an ideal nationalist, and those further from the ideal being considered un-. Authoritarian, building up policing, surveillance, and the military. They were backed by leading industrialists, large land owners, religious leaders, and even monarchists and nobility ... the rich and powerful. Propagandists, that created cults with cult leaders. And, anti democratic. The US already had a problematic democracy, with gerrymandering, voter suppression, the bullshit electoral college, the senate being able to block bills from the far more representative house. Overtly overthrowing the democratic process is really only the last nail in the coffin that Republicans need to hammer in, to go all out fascist. Even a bunch of corporate Dems only need to hammer in a few more nails, and are borderline. You know fascists were, and are, fascists before attaining complete control, right? Trump, and many Republican lawmakers proved themselves to be overt fascists, ready to hammer in that last nail. Over 70% of Republicans were going along with all that bullshit. And 28% of Republicans surveyed didn't want Trump to concede, under any circumstances. The Jan 6 storming of the capitol was closer to being a coup than Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch, and had more people participating. I'm pretty sure it's you that doesn't know what fascism actually is. "Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism", Mussolini. The Marxist ideal is a stateless non-authoritarian democratic socialism. The complete opposite is an ultra-nationalistic authoritarian crony capitalist dictatorship. By implying I want one party, because I don't think racism, sexism, and bigotry, need a platform, like you do, means you're arguing that the Republican party is all about racism, sexism, and bigotry, or that they somehow couldn't be a party without those "ideas". Well done. You're making that party sound great. In reality, I'd actually like to see no parties. Vote for individuals and their stated policy positions. Politics as a team sport is stupid and lazy. Mail in voting was up all over the country. I'm quite sure that, if you looked at the other states (that Trump didn't challenge), you'd find a similar breakdown, that more voters voting for the candidate who encouraged voting by mail, voted by mail, and more voters voting for the candidate who encouraged voting in person, voted in person. The only difference between the states that were challenged, and the rest of the country, was that their Republican state legislators didn't update their election system, to start counting mail in ballots early. So, unlike the rest of the states, you got to witness the day of voting count, and then the mail in voting count being added after. Trump used the imagery of that process as propaganda. With zero evidence, from his election night podium, he started spewing his voter fraud crap. He was perfectly fine with just beforehand saying he won states the AP had called for him, the night of. His daughter even congratulated him when the AP called Alaska for him, days after he had started spewing his voter fraud and anti AP bullshit. You know even after winning in 2016, he was also baselessly declaring widespread voter fraud, claiming that's why he didn't win the popular vote, right? He even set up an election integrity commission. It was finding nothing of the sort, so he quietly ended it. Trump just throws shit and hopes it sticks. This time it has gotten his friends, that threw shit with him, hit with billion dollar defamation lawsuits. I guess they'll get their day in court, like they wanted, lol. Do you think it's just a coincidence, that countries that rolled out testing quicker and tested at higher rates, rolled out masks quicker and had higher mask use, created apps for covid tracking, etc., faired better than countries that didn't do those things, only did some, and did what they did slower? The US and UK were testing at a rate of 5 people per confirmed case, for example, while Vietnam (shares a long border with China) and S Korea were testing 50+ people per confirmed case. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Sweden, for example, is in the top 25 for covid deaths per million, with a covid death rate 5-10x higher than its neighbouring Nordic countries? Quarantines have been a pretty standard response to epidemics, for centuries now. Doctors and nurses wearing even cloth masks, way before the newer disposable masks, was pretty standard stuff. You're worried governments want to keep powers, that they've actually always had, to make people stay indoors, generate less revenue, and have to pay out more in assistance? Why would they want that? To what ends? It makes zero sense. Do they all have shares in UberEats, or something? Remember when the British government wanted to keep on telling people to turn off their lights, to ration food, to enter shelters whenever they said, etc., after years of war? Me either. And, I'm quite sure, now, that you're the one that doesn't know what fascism is. Btw, I didn't say I was American. I'm Canadian. I also don't have a horse in the race. You, and the other guy, created a horse for me from pure imagination. US Corporate Dems, and maybe a very few less extreme Republicans, are almost like Canadian Conservatives (right). I wouldn't ever vote for, or show support for, them because I like their policies. It would only ever be to oppose something worse. I don't even tend to vote Liberal (centre-right, kind of like the broader US progressive caucus maybe), and only did once, to get rid of Harper. I tend to vote NDP (more centrist, like the Justice Dem style progressives and Bernie). To me, most US Republicans (far right) are batshit crazy. We had our Conservative party split, before, and some created an even further right party. It failed. Only 14% of Canadians surveyed said they'd vote Trump. That almost half of Americans voted for him is insane. We also have hate speech laws, haven't hit your slippery slope, and are still ranked higher than the US on freedom indexes. We had a not horrible, but still only mediocre, covid response. If the US had a similar, just mediocre response, they could have had 300k fewer covid deaths. The US response was horrible. Massive incompetence, at multiple levels. I was telling Cuomo lovers that he was as incompetent as Trump, from the start. We also put our asylum seekers up in hotels, not prisons. Plenty of Canadians stay in the US longer than they're supposed to, and don't get rounded up and tossed in those ICE prisons. You, literally, chastised me for adding options to justify ultimatums. Then, still used the words "abuse" and "mistreat", to describe justified ultimatums. Now you're justifying ultimatums, and more. You also, still seem to have zero clue what I asked, about women's suffrage, slavery, and forced segregation. You can blather on about rational arguments and "negotiations" all you want. Again, I never said that didn't happen, and outright implied it did. It still won't change the fact that that's not all it took. Slavery not standing up to old English law, the authority, in mainland England, is that authority forcing its will on those who wanted slaves. Declaring people pirates and chasing them down was force. Making trade ultimatums was force. The US having to go to war was force. Not having the option to not sell your slaves to be freed, and keep them, was force. The authority, backed by the will of the majority, forced that will on the irrational holdouts, that couldn't simply be reasoned with. Almost everything you've described was force. There are Scottish clubs, Irish clubs, Italian clubs, Greek clubs, Catholic schools, Muslim schools, Jewish schools, schools for people of various European descent, boys' clubs, girls' clubs, women's clubs, men's clubs, women's gyms, men's gyms, women's sports, men's sports, etc., etc., etc. What kind of segregation are you worried about, exactly, that's even remotely equivalent to Jim Crow style segregation? A busiiness guessing that doing X will lose them consumers, or doing Y will gain them consumers, or doing A would be good for public relations, or doing B wouldn't be good for public relations ... decisions businesses have been making for centuries ... are now "abuse", if they feel any kind of pressure (they always have, and always will, feel the pressure of possibly doing something that tanks business), or if their customer base or the public just comes out and tells them so they don't have to guess. But multiple ways of forcing the idea that black people aren't animals, the idea that they shouldn't be property, on people in your country, people in your colonies, and even people outside your country or empire ... all good. So, the finding that FB was giving right wing media, like Shapiro, more algorithm weight was them supporting Democrats? Odd support.
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  8978.  @bravesirkevin   @bravesirkevin  Holy crap, you are completely clueless. What I said was that fascism is the opposite of the Marxist ideal, which can also be called anarchism, or libertarian socialism. An authoritarian form of crony capitalism vs a non authoritarian democratic socialism. Socialism is abroad category, like capitalism, not a narrow position, like fascism. 100% privately owned and operated on one end and 100% publicly owned and operated on the other end, with various degrees of mixed economies in between ... not counting the military, justice system, and basic government, which even Ayn Rand fans, US Libertarians, and the like, argue are needed for a functioning full blown capitalist society. Don't even have those and you get ancap on one side and anarchism, ansoc, on the other. Have those, and go super authoritarian, and you've got fascism on one side and capital C Communist countries on the other. You're a complete joke. There were a number of socialist enclaves in Italy. They weren't created by the federal government. Mussolini and his fascists went after them even before gaining power. It's one of the reasons the King handed Mussolini power, to quash rising socialism ... from the bottom. Anarchists in Spain set up communities, as well, from the bottom. They didn't always get along with the more authoritarian Soviet style communists, but they sided with them against Franco and his fascists. Much like Libertarians and ancappers side with Republicans, when it comes to certain things. Saying socialism is opposed to liberty, when it comes in a libertarian flavour, is completely idiotic. Rofl! What a load of crap. If something lasts (for how long exactly?), then there was no force involved? There was zero force involved in the American Revolution? Zero force involved in taking the land from natives? Zero force involved in CCP takeover of China? Zero force involved in defeating fascists? Zero force in colonizing Australia with criminals? Zero force in adding Scotland and Wales to England, to become the UK? Northern Ireland? Zero force in adding Quebec to Canada? Seriously, history is jammed packed with successful uses of force, and people then accepting the results. That's pretty much the basis for how peace treaties work, after force is used. To pretend like the law isn't force is just as nonsensical. Laws are "enforced" by police "forces". If the law says you can't have a slave, but you really like the idea of having a slave, then you'll most likely get your ass tossed in jail, if you try for it. Did the South leave the union over slavery, enshrining slavery in their new constitution? After winning, did the North let them keep their slaves, if they wanted, or were they forced to give them up? You've gone from contradicting yourself to babbling complete and utter nonsense. Yeah, all the Chinatowns, in various North American cities, have been nothing but trouble. Sounds like a warzone every Chinese New Year. And the Scottish pipe bands are a bunch of hooligans. Please don't tell me you want everyone to be of one culture. You just don't want them gathering together, in the same spot, or what? You didn't use the right winger words, but you implied their "reverse racism" is going on. Where at? You've already argued that it wasn't "abuse", for say abolitionists to pressure and convince enough lawmakers to abolish slavery, and then enforce it on the rest of society. Yet, you're still going on as if someone pressuring a company is "abuse". Hell, you've just justified a whole ton of crap, with your acceptance = no force argument.
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  8986. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  9005. ​ @crabbypattie  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  9043.  @garyelder4610  You MAGA morons wanted someone to run the country like he does his businesses. He did. He has been committing fraud since he was in diapers. "March 06, 2015 WASHINGTON, DC – The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) today imposed a $10 million civil money penalty against Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort (Trump Taj Mahal), for willful and repeated violations of the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). In addition to the civil money penalty, the casino is required to conduct periodic external audits to examine its anti-money laundering (AML) BSA compliance program and provide those audit reports to FinCEN and the casino’s Board of Directors. Trump Taj Mahal, a casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, admitted to several willful BSA violations, including violations of AML program requirements, reporting obligations, and recordkeeping requirements. Trump Taj Mahal has a long history of prior, repeated BSA violations cited by examiners dating back to 2003. Additionally, in 1998, FinCEN assessed a $477,700 civil money penalty against Trump Taj Mahal for currency transaction reporting violations." "1991 The Trump Castle Casino Resort, admitting that a $3.5-million loan from Donald J. Trump’s father violated state gaming laws, has agreed to a $30,000 penalty, officials said Tuesday." "But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day. Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings."
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  9054. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  9065.  @imlikewhat860  It's not the you need a license. It's that they don't already have a useable ID on hand. They're made to go out and get an extra ID, to vote. If you don't think taking a day off work is an issue, then you have zero clue what it's like to be poor. The poverty rate for black Americans went from near 60% down to 30% after the Civil Rights Act and the migration North. It was a North South divide, back then, not a Dem Rep divide. You're living in some delusion, where the parties are exactly the same as 150 years ago. I don't think you know how racists work. A racist has an ideal in mind, with characteristics. They can add religion to it, nationality to it, ethnicity to it ... whatever they want. Nazis managed to be racist towards Jews, Poles, Romani, etc., all of which were white. The KKK managed to also hate Jews and Catholics, because they added the Protestant characteristic to being the ideal white person. I also don't think you grasp that the vast majority of black Americans are descended from slaves. They were ripped away from their nations, ethnic groups, cultures, heritage, ancestry, and all thrown together into a singular slave culture. Africa is a massive continent, with dozens of countries and hundreds of different ethnic/cultural groupings. Black Americans don't tend to know which one they came from, and have developed their own cultural grouping. Black American is not simply a race. Much like descendants of black slaves in Jamaica, Haiti, etc., developed new cultures, in those countries. The only difference being they are the majority there.
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  9089.  @Angela-eh8yn  Every single Republican campaigns against M4A. None of them have signed onto the M4A bill. Republican voters elect them anyway. They'd likely vote for a moron who'd ban masks and vaccines over an M4A candidate. The ACA was actually popular amongst Republican voters, but they kept voting for candidates that wanted to repeal it, and a bunch of state level idiots who didn't sign onto Medicaid expansion. Republican voters are complete idiots, who would rather block a gay marriage than have better healthcare. The vast majority of Republican voters are completely irrelevant to ever getting M4A. They won't ever make it a condition for getting their vote. As for more conservative Dems, they have also campaigned against M4A. They also won't sign onto the M4A bill. It's not some big secret who's opposed to it. Pelosi actually introduced the bill to congress just last session. It died in committees where 90% of bills die. So, on top of a list of names that won't cosign the bill, and a list of those who have openly campaigned against M4A, there was a list of committee members who let the bill die. What did Dore do with any of these lists? Nothing. He keeps bitching about those who have promoted it, campaigned on it, and have consigned. AOC, on the other hand, helped replace a few of them. Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill to congress, this session, and it's in committees again. Instead of bitching at, and protesting, someone who has done more for M4A in 2 years than he has in his entire lifetime, maybe Dore should encourage protesting and pressuring committee members to take up the bill? FTVers have proven that ftv was all a grift, to try and peddle a third party. Progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. It even passed the house and got a round of voting in the senate. So, just getting a vote on an important progressive policy is a big deal ... getting a list of no voters from both chambers is a big deal ... right? Nope. Just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it.
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  9100.  @fredsanford1437  You mean, overstimated leverage, for a guaranteed to fail vote, and not actually M4A (which Bernie campaigned on, with AOC campaigning for him, while Dore was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice", and AOC also backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helping to add a few more M4A yes votes to congress and helping to remove a few more corporate Dems). Dore knobs have since proved they would have done absolutely nothing with a failed vote, anyway. There was a vote on the $15, and they just continued to whine and complain about the people who voted for it, instead of those who voted against, and have done absolutely nothing with their treasured list of names of no voters. Just a bunch of lazy good for nothings, following a "real" leftist, who promoted Trump as a better option than Clinton, who didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion and didn't care to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, and who failed in all his predictions. Gotta love "real" leftists that benefit the far right most. Go on Tucker, not to challenge right wing ideas, but to agree with them ... make friends with extreme right ancap Boogaloos who want the complete opposite economics to socialism ... such a "real" lefty Jimmy is. Repeating what CIA pro war talking points? Like speaking out against US support for Israeli policies? Speaking out against US support for the war in Yemen? Ignoring that they have voted against US intervention in a number of places, which "pro war" talking points are they repeating, exactly?
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  9106. You don't have to be anti-Semitic to believe there are proxy wars going on. A right wing Israeli "think" tank saying to not destroy ISIS. https://www.salon.com/test/2016/08/23/israeli-think-tank-dont-destroy-isis-its-a-useful-tool-against-iran-hezbollah-syria/ Israel defense minister saying he prefers ISIS over those friendly with Iran, like the Syrian government or Hezbollah. http://news.antiwar.com/2016/01/19/israeli-dm-prefers-isis-to-iran/ Saying Israel has collaborated with ISIS. https://www.richardsilverstein.com/2017/04/23/breaking-former-israeli-defense-minister-confirms-israeli-collaboration-isis-syria/ Saying Israel has attacked thousands of Iranian, anti-ISIS, targets. https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-acknowledges-long-claimed-weapons-supply-to-syrian-rebels/ The US fueling and allowing Al Qaeda in Iraq to grow into ISIL. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq The US arming Al Qaeda in Syria. https://www.foxnews.com/world/i-gave-the-us-trucks-and-ammunition-to-al-qaeda-the-chaotic-us-effort-to-arm-syrian-rebels Syrian Jihadists, armed by the CIA. https://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-cia-pentagon-isis-20160327-story.html US weapons to ISIS. https://www.newsweek.com/europe-limit-us-saudi-weapons-sales-went-isis-1215758 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/isis-us-saudi-arabia-arms-fighters-jihadis-military-capability-enhanced-weapons-syria-terrorism-a8112076.html Thousands of Toyota trucks sold out of US controlled Iraq to ISIS. https://abcnews.go.com/International/us-officials-isis-toyota-trucks/story?id=34266539 Used US trucks ending up in the ME with ISIS. https://www.cnn.com/2015/12/14/us/terror-truck-lawsuit/index.html Etc.
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  9132. Israel was itself founded on terrorism, by terrorist groups like the Irgun and Lehi. Israel itself elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun and blew up the King David Hotel. Israel still celebrates those terrorists. They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a path to independence and statehood. And, 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote the Iron Wall, which fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted, based on historical responses to colonialism, that the natives would fight it to the bitter end. In the West Bank, Israel is basically using the blueprint from the colonization of North America. Move settlements out into native lands, piss off the natives, the natives respond with violence, act all shocked and horrified by the "savage" attack, send in the cavalry to squash the natives, and then eventually expand the border to include the settlement. Rinse and repeat. Sure, Native Americans wanted to push the European settlers back into the sea, but it wasn't like they had no reason for wanting to do that. Like in the early years of Zionism, under the Ottomans, they largely welcomed the newcomers, until those newcomers proved themselves to be racists, bigots, and violent expansionists. In Gaza, Israel has disgustingly created its own open air "ghetto". They are, again, acting like the Puritans of America, who fled persecution for the New World ... only to turn around and persecute everyone else there. They fled from those trying to throw them in ghettos, only to end up creating their own.
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  9145.  @seandoyle296  You're talking like Harris. "Islam" didn't have a relationship with slavery. "Islam" doesn't exist on its own. Certain Muslims have had a relationship with slavery. There's also wasn't particularly racist, as they also made non Africans slaves. And, like you said yourself, they couldn't keep any of them as slaves, if the slaves converted. Converting didn't help African slaves in the Americas, because their status as slaves was entirely race based. There's also a difference between temporarily enslaving people for a period of time (which was often done with prisoners of war and criminals, and even developed countries still do with criminals) and chattel slavery, where you get to own them as personal property for life, and own their children, and their children, ... You also seem to be conflating conquest with forced conversion. It actually benefited Muslim rulers to not force convert populations, because they could tax non Muslims a little bit extra. It benefited non Muslims, that they could pay a little extra to keep their ability to practice their own religion. The majority of the population in Hispania remained Christian, under Muslim rule, and Sephardic Jews remaiined Jewish. That's quite different than the Catholic conquerors giving Muslims and Jews the options of conversion, death, or exile. European Catholics also conquered more of the Orthodox Byzantine Empire than Muslims did, but it's not considered quite as big a deal. It's more acceptable for Christians to conquer other Christians. But, if Muslims happen to conquer a Christian area, it's portrayed as some kind of holy war, when it wasn't necessarily so. It was largely Christians who made things into holy wars, that comprised of both conquest and forced conversion. They had crusades against northern pagans, crusades to "reconquer" Hispania, and crusades against Muslims to the East.
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  9146.  @seandoyle296  Do you have reading comprehension problems, or does your mind only jump between two extremes, of all good and all bad? I didn't call anyone "noble", or argue anything was "utopic". I simply explained some differences. You were mentioning the spread of Islam, in other posts. Not sure where I lost you, while explaining the difference between simply conquering vs conquering with forced conversion. I used Catholics, as an example, because all of Europe was Catholic, at the time, and they force converted along with conquest. They had been force converting since the Roman Empire adopted Christianity and force converted its own populace. You can go on about Muslim conquests, but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't much practice forced conversion. Alexander conquered all the way to India, as well, but he didn't force convert the populations along the way to believe in the Greek gods. Pre-Christian Romans conquered large amounts of territory, but also didn't force convert populations along the way. There's a difference between spreading your borders by the sword, and spreading your religion by the sword. You get that, as a rate, 12m over 500 years is worse than 17m over 1300 years, right? You also failed to mention the millions of slaves being bread like livestock, over hundreds of years, in the Americas, on top of those traded from Africa. There were 4 million, in the US alone, in 1860, and millions more in the 200 years prior. Chattel slavery, like that, wasn't commonplace in Muslim nations, while manumission was common, even mandatory in places. There were black Moors accepted as rulers. There were also Sudanese Mamluks accepted at the elite levels of your slavery hierarchy, that also went on to be rulers in places. There was also a hierarchy in the chattel slavery of the Americas, where whites couldn't be chattel slaves, blacks were considered good chattel slaves, and natives were considered bad chattel slaves, so were wiped out, ethnically cleansed, or simply worked to death en masse. You have an uphill battle trying to argue other forms of slavery was as racist, or as bad, as it was.
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  9147.  @seandoyle296  It does seem to be a reading comprehension problem, because you don't seem to be grasping things I am saying, and make up things I haven't said. What I'm talking about is me simply pointing out the fact that Muslims didn't do X, and you then jumping to comparisons to "apologetics", "nobility", or "utopia", I haven't apologized for anything they actually did. I haven't called anyone "noble". I haven't painted anything as a "utopia". In what reality is having multiple forms of slavery some noble utopia? It's not. Pointing out the fact that they didn't really have race based chattel slavery is simply a fact. That chattel slavery itself wasn't common in Muslim nations is just a fact. Not sure how you're going to dig up millions of extra black slaves, that were bred into slavery, when that wasn't really much of a thing in Muslim nations. Them freeing slaves being more common doesn't change that they enslaved someone to begin with. It doesn't make them saints. It just means they practiced slightly less horrible forms of slavery, and were somewhat less racist. Muslims were only about 16% of the population in India, when the British started ruling, after centuries of Mughal rule. There's no evidence of an ongoing mass forced conversion effort of the populace. Hindu princes helped rule, and Hindus helped run the administration. The Sikh religion itself draws from both Hinduism and Islam, and was only in its infancy around when Mughals started ruling. It actually grew and spread, under Mughal rule. It was mainly just one ruler that tried to force convert people. I'm sure it had nothing to do with them forementing uprisings, and whatnot. You're the one desperately grasping at little anecdotes, to try and make out like two largely different spreads were the same. But, you don't actually have stories of widespread, ongoing, relentless, forced mass conversion, almost everywhere Muslims ruled ... like within the Roman Empire against pagans, like within new territories conquered by Christian Romans, like Northern Crusades against pagan rulers, like Eastern Crusades against Muslims, like the "reconquest" of Spain, like a Chinese Jesus waging one of the bloodiest wars in history, like enslaving or wiping out native Americans that wouldn't convert, Orthodox Russians force converting pagans and Muslims and Jews, etc. Force converting was almost everywhere Christians ruled, on an ongoing grand scale, for centuries. Grasping at what this one Muslim ruler did here, or that this happened to this single Christian there, isn't actually evidence that the overall spread was the same. That there aren't endless accounts from almost everywhere Muslims ruled, and that you have to grasp at little anecdotes, is actually evidence the overall spread wasn't the same. And, again, simply pointing out a fact, isn't arguing that tons of bloody conquests, or any brutal rulers, were some noble utopia, or apologize for anything they actually did do.
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  9148.  @seandoyle296   Are there lists with Europeans considered to be superior chattel slaves, in the Americas, or were they not at all on chattel slave lists? Is there an example of blacks being considered inferior, and used as chattel slaves, in just Spanish controlled Americas, or was it also in the British controlled Americas, the France controlled Americas, the Dutch controlled Americas, the Portuguese controlled Americas? Were natives considered inferior in one European empire's colony in Africa, the Americas, East Asia, the South Pacific, or in pretty much all of those colonies, for hundreds of years? Were there black Christian rulers ruling over major parts any Christian empires, like there were black Muslims ruling over major parts of Islamic empires? Were there Africans or natives even being made governors, or generals? The Zanj rebellion wasn't even a black slave only rebellion, and black slaves might not have even been the majority of rebels. It included Beduins and Bahrani, who were Muslim. It included Basra peasants, who were Muslim. It included previously, or partially, freed slaves, of various races, who were Muslim. They were led by a free Muslim man, who was largely Arab, with a grandmother that was a freed slave, who preached the extreme egalitarian philosophy of previous Kharijite rebels, the first Muslim sect, who had also operated out of Basra. The rebels were also, themselves, quite brutal, slaughtering and burning villages. Your rebellion totals are for both sides, dumb dumb, and the side you're claiming them all on wasn't all black, maybe not even a majority black. Not to mention, that said rebellion led to Islamic empires no longer using large concentrations of slave labour, which kind of f*cks up your bullshit samesies narrative. Even in that brutally authoritarian area of a single Muslim empire, the very fact that many of them were previously freed, or partially freed, slaves, indicates they weren't practicing endless chattel slavery. I'm doubting you even know what that term means, since you keep comparing things that weren't it, to it. It means someone being property for their entire lives. It means their children being property from birth, even if it's a white man's child, for their entire lives. And so on, and so on, generation after generation. Even within that same empire, there were also prominent black Moors in positions of power in parts of it. I have no clue where you're getting the idea that white Christian European nobility would be fine with black Christians ruling over them, or power sharing with black Christians, or even for it to be common to have black Christians amongst their governing administrations. And that's the only possible idea you could possibly have, to think the two were equally racist. Brutality doesn't debunk manumission. Spaniards eradicated entire islands of its people, brought in tons of slaves, cared less if they died as they were constantly bringing in more ... plus weren't commonly freeing them, on top of that. You don't think there were any land deaths, or camp deaths, prior to shipping slaves west? There were also millions shipped to Asian and African markets, by Atlantic slave traders. South Africa was largely uninhabited. They imported a ton of slaves. And European slave traders weren't, at all, capturing Europeans to be slaves, while Muslims like Barbary pirates did. Why? Because their chattel slavery was entirely race based, ffs, while the non chattel Muslim slavery, hierarchy or not, wasn't entirely race based, didn't have a chattel category for people of certain races you didn't even consider human. Christian nations also had non racist debt slavery, political slavery, and criminal slavery, on top of their purely race based chattel slavery. Many of them were treated very poorly, but were released if they made it through their time served. Australia was founded on that kind of non race based non chattel slavery of criminals ... while they were almost entirely eradicating the black natives, because they were racist as f*ck. But hey, some Muslim guy made a hierarchy list, so samesies. Oh geezus. Yeah, Christians also converted slaves ... on top of force converting all of Europe, Russia, people in numerous colonies ... samesies.
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  9174. By every measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything. Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through.
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  9183. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  9221. ​ @deepblueseeds5563  You're a nutbar. Both Jews and Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. The region of Canaan was then dominated by Egyptians, Hittites, or both splitting it. Then, the Hittite Empire collapsed and Egypt was pushed out. The Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, plus Philistia, all emerged from that power vacuum, at about the same time. None ever controlled the entire region of Canaan. Israel was the first to be wiped out, by the Assyrians. Tiny Judea, and Philistia, were both conquered by the Babylonians, at about the same time. Neither Israel, nor Judea, existed for any significantly longer period of time, if at all, than Philistia. The Babylonians were conquered by the Persians. The Persians were conquered by the Greeks. And, the Greeks were conquered by the Romans. Here's where things get really interesting. Even though Rome brought advancements, creating a more developed society (What have the Romans ever done for us?), the Jews felt oppressed, and rose up on multiple occasions, and actually killed tens of thousands of non Jewish civilians. Rome, in turn, used excessive force, collective punishment, destroyed temples, and ethnically cleansed many Jews. And thus began their 1500+ year walkabout. Except, the entire population wasn't ethnically cleansed, nor genocided, nor is there a non fairy tale account of it ever being completely ethnically cleansed or completely genocided. Which means, part of the native population has always remained. Hence, the Canaanite DNA amongst Palestinians. What's not connected to DNA is religion. It would be pretty easy for a native population to convert to Christianity and then Islam. It would be completely moronic for someone to claim you can tell which group was there first by what religion they currently practice. Now, if you go on a 1500+ year walkabout, you're no longer coming back as a full fledged native, who never left. If you ethnically cleanse those who never left, off the lands they lived on, and claim those lands for yourself, you're coming back as a colonizer. Europeans have African DNA, if you go back far enough, but they still colonized the sh*t out of Africa. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the natives. In 1918, Ben-Gurion fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would react by resisting until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them. He thought their colonization was "good", and also wrote that they'd need outside help, to force the outcome they wanted. Everything is going according to plan. Respond to uprisings just like the Romans. Keep people in an open air WWII style ghetto just like the fascists. Colonize the West Bank just like in North America. Israelis have learned from all, as they've gone along, and become the very things they fled from.
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  9239. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  9281.  @TheOldSchoolGamer93  The difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, is that Muslims didn't simply stick a new new testament after the first two. It rewrote the whole thing, and left out many things they considered to have been inserted by man, into the first two, including a bunch of the worst laws from the OT/Tanakh. You have to get into the Hadiths, which aren't used by all (somewhat like Catholic catechisms), for it to get as nasty as the OT/Tanakh. It was actually the more tolerant, of the 3, for about 1300, of its 1600 years, until the Ottoman Empire was carved up, by Christian nations, and parts handed off to more extreme Muslims. Since then, part of the problem with being a more moderate Muslim, is that it also went with being somewhat more leftist. Christian nations, especially the UK and US, didn't like that. One, or both, supported ... a coup in Syria, when their democratically elected government voted against a pipeline ... a coup in Iran, when their democratically elected PM wanted to nationalize their oil ... a coup in Iraq, when their popular revolutionary leader, who had overthrown the Brit's puppet king, proposed nationalizing their oil ... religious extremists in Afghanistan, when Communist Muslims overthrew the Brit's puppet king, and wanted to do horrible things, like extend women's rights to all women, not just the rich. For 1300 years Jews lived amongst Muslim nations, in relative peace. They were given refuge when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. The Ottomans even okayed the earliest form of Zionsim, which was closer to just immigration. Zionist fanatics returned the favor with colonialism, terrorism (Irgun and Lehi), and occupation. Similarly, to the US and UK above, Netanyahu promoted, and helped transfer money to, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization project, which is based on further religious nuttery. So, it's not exactly as straight forward as Islam includes the other two, so it is as bad as them, plus more. The earlier two are partly responsible for the current versions of Islam, and the nations ruled by it. Turkey is the last remnant of the Ottoman Empire, not Saudi. Women there fight to keep abortion rights, like in the US. Homosexuality there has never been illegal, because they carried over Ottoman law, which had decriminalized it before a lot of Christian nations did, or while some were still considering it a form of insanity. TL:DR ... Relationship Status: It's complicated.
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  9296.  @jdelapaz14  "Russiagate" ... is that where Democrats, Republicans like Mueller and Romney, the FBI (which been run by Republicans for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to get Mike Pence made president? Lol. Russia having bot farms and sharing information with Dumpty's team is pretty straight forward. There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2013. There have been dozens of no fault UN investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been dozens of fault finding investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses. There have been dozens of healthcare worker witnesses. There have been multiple NGO witnesses, including Doctors Without Borders. There are multiple legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims. Two dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that investigation, let alone all the others. That investigation wasn't even started until after Israel, the US, the UK, and others had already started bombing Syria. The final report didn't come out until almost a year later. Plus, it was an initial no fault investigation, that didn't even assign blame. The report wasn't used as a reason to bomb Syria. There was another chemical weapons attack just the month before, which had both a no fault investigation and a blame assigning investigation, with zero dissenting opinions, that blamed Syria. The US, and others, could just as easily use that one as some retroactive justification. Dore is the one spouting a nutty conspiracy, that all of the above are in cahoots to lie about Syrian chemical weapons use. Syria actually using chemical weapons is pretty straight forward.
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  9351.  @A_Derpy_NINJA  You clearly don't know Dore's "argument" for promoting Trump as the better option than Clinton. He agreed Trump was worse, agreed he was a raving fascist, but claimed letting the psycho win would lead to a massive progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would result in progressives "for sure" taking the house in 2018 (wrong), taking the senate in 2018 (wrong), and the presidency in 2020 (wrong). He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republican lawmakers would join the left in voting against a Trump agenda (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). To argue Clinton would have been worse is both completely moronic and not, at all, what Dore argued. And, Dore thinking to let him win, again, after all his predictions were wrong, and after Trump helped kill hundreds of thousands of Americans, is psychotic. Did you know there's a big world out there, beyond the US, and US government agents? Doctors across the world support the vaccine. Peru has had one of, if not the, highest uses of Ivermectin, in the world, and also has the highest covid deaths per capita rate, in the world. A large Ivermectin study was pulled from publications, when it was found to be fraudulent, with fabricated and faulty data. Why the need to fabricate results, if it works? Did you know Ivermectin is also owned by a giant pharma company? Dore goes on Tucker to rant and rave about Democrats and progressives, often agreeing with the far right arguments, and Tucker nods along. Dore has never really challenged Tucker, or his audience, about anything.
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  9368. Stop bullshitting. You don't care about others having healthcare. In 2016, you promoted Trump as a better option, not caring if that might lead to the repeal of the ACA and millions losing their healthcare, including people with preexisting conditions. During the 2020 primaries, you promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice" aka public option) instead of Bernie (M4A), not caring about getting the better healthcare plan, and not caring that you might peel away enough votes from the more viable progressive and let Biden win. You spent the general basically running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if that would lead to the ACA being completely repealed, not caring if he killed thousands of more Americans, and no longer advocated for getting even a public option, or the Medicare age decrease that would put millions more on Medicare. Plus, you're promoting yet another third party that won't even get you a seat in congress in the next 50 years, let alone get you M4A, and could just split progressive voting enough to lose the gains they've made within the Dem party, handing it back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying the healthcare system even more. If anyone is a "fake", "shill", "sellout", or whatnot, it's clearly you, Jimmy. AOC backed Bernie over Biden, Biden over Trump, and just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the only thing that will ever get M4A passed, failed show vote or no failed show vote.
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  9369. ​ @X7Excalibur  You seriously want to use a "nobody wants them" argument, when Jewish people are involved in the equation, and make out like that's the fault of the unwanted? Jordan has 3m Palestinians, btw. There are hundreds of thousands more, in other neighboring countries. Turkey had over 3m Syrian refugees. How about maybe stop making ME refugees? How many people did the Irgun and Lehi assassinate? Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  9386.  @Aj-zr8dz  Do you mean build coalitions by doing things like having your progressive PAC help get more progressives elected to congress, or do you mean build coalitions by calling other progressives "fakes", "sellouts", and "shills" over a tactics disagreement? Ideas from discussions? AOC reaches 10m people (40x more than Jimmy) with every tweet, not to mention other social media. Her enemies even help spread her ideas all the time. Jimmy "trending" one thing, that barely anyone outside progressive circles is talking about, that has mostly just caused infighting, doesn't even compare. His retweets are mostly in the hundreds, and not over 2k. She had a single M4A tweet retweeted 70 fucking thousand times. That's worth more than 35 of Jimmy's few most shared tweets. What the ... ? People Party pusher, Jimmy Dore, pitted himself against progressives in congress. In 2016, he also pushed the Green Party, even pushed Trump over Clinton. He obviously doesn't actually give a fuck about winning anytime soon. He's obviously fully prepared to start from scratch, and even willing to let a "maniacal fascist", and a psycho fascist cult, run the show, and let the Democrat party fail, for however many years it would take for a third party to even get one seat in congress, let alone enough seats to pass any of their own bills. And, yes, he pointed at how much popularity Bernie gained in a little amount of time, and tried arguing Stein could possibly do it too, and maybe even become president. https://amp.reddit.com/r/jillstein/comments/4vwr6p/jimmy_dore_president_jill_stein_its_more_possible/ Trump has dropped more bombs than Obama, and Dubya killed more people than both of them combined. Who are these worse neolibs you speak of? You say I'm misrepresenting him, etc., over and over, but don't really get into detailing how, exactly. It's funny, though, reading a Dore fan go on about "character assassination", while defending Dore. Yeah, so let's trash the most progressive politicians in congress!!! That'll show those oligarchs!!!
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  9392.  @Aj-zr8dz  And I, literally, listed Syria as starting under Obama. Don't know why you're rambling on about it. Seriously, you know that, even amongst fascists, one can be worse than another, right? Hitler was worse than Mussolini, by miles. They weren't samesies. Sure, the US has been dancing near the edge of lake fascism for decades, but you have to be fucking insane to think being at the water's edge, even dipping a toe in, isn't worse by far, than being a little further away on the beach. You didn't actually provide an example of neolibs getting away with more crimes against humanity, killing more people, or anything of the sort. A bunch of the stuff you listed for Obama started under Bush. You can't even show they're just as bad, or worse, when it comes to foreign policy, let alone national policy. I don't know why you're even trying. Jimmy, himself, called Trump a "maniacal fascist". That's what he argued would be better for progressives than a neolib ... exactly because the "maniacal fascist" is worse. The idiot thought it would be a great idea to put a "maniacal fascist" in charge, to drive people left. He thought even the less fascist Republicans would jump on board and join the left to work against the "maniacal fascist". No. Didn't happen. Jimmy's 2016 "plan", if anyone followed it, turned Republicans even more fascist, caused a rise in hate crimes, caused a rise in right wing terrorism, caused stupid trade wars, caused multiple scotus seats to be filled, caused an incompetent covid response killing tens of thousands of fellow Americans, etc. If Dore convinced absolutely anyone in a 2016 swing state to vote Trump, to vote Stein, or even to not vote, then he is partly responsible for all that ... plus, dropping more bombs abroad. For someone who did their best to help bring all that about, to act like they are the fucking King of progressives, and call anyone not agreeing with him "fakes", "sellouts", and "shills", is bullshit. He doesn't really know how politics works. As I said, he doesn't even grasp that corporate Dems being more willing to lose to Republicans than work with progressives, is actually an argument against his own plan. His plan partly hinges on corporate Dems rather working with progressives than losing to Republicans. It partly hinges on them not propagandizing a paralyzed house against progressives, and the whole thing turning out worse for progressives. It partly hinges on a totally unknown amount of outrage ... what if there is hardly any, except amongst progressives? And sustained outrage, 2 years from now ... what if it does off? He's doing his best to trash the credibility of progressive politicians, who have done far more than him, all over a tactics disagreement, and a plan that isn't a completely risk free slam dunk.
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  9413. There's a difference between Dore's claimed positions and what he actually does. He promoted Trump as the better option in 2016, which could only benefit Trump. He clearly didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, and didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would leads to progressives "for sure" taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into all out fascism (wrong), and he claimed Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). All of that only benefited the far right. During the 2020 primaries, he backed Tulsi over Bernie, which didn't benefit the most progressive candidate and didn't benefit M4A. During the 2020 general, he ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, which could only benefit Trump, the far right. AOC, meanwhile, campaigned for Bernie, and backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives with her platform and PAC. She helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, as did the Justice Dems. Adding enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Because they didn't support his half baked plan to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, Dore slandered people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. That is of no benefit to progressives and benefits the far right. After spending weeks slandering people over a disagreement over a secondary tactic, making out like they aren't allies, he turns around and promotes far right ancap Boogaloos, who basically disagree on all economics, are the complete economic opposites to socialists, as potential allies, because they agree on a few anti-authoritarian issues. And, I have to say, for someone his age to be shocked and amazed that ancappers agree on some anti-authoritarian issues with ansocs, means he is a complete ignoramus. That only benefits the far right, and is how you wind up on the wrong end of a Night of the Long Knives. He doesn't simply go on Tucker. He largely agrees with Tucker, and doesn't challenge him. That only benefits Tucker and the far right. AOC and Bernie were just campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A, trying hard to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Dore abandoned Nina, abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, and slandered AOC and Bernie with a video stating they both abandoned M4A. In fact, it was Dore and M4A marchers that abandoned Nina, who was having rallies with AOC, both promoting M4A, that same day. Abandoning Nina, and abandoning adding more votes to congress, is of no benefit to progressives. After weeks of making out like just getting a vote on an important progressive policy would be great, making out like getting a list of no voters on an important progressive policy would be great ... progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting, it passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also got a senate vote ... Dore and his knobs turn around and make out like a vote and list of no voters is useless, and just keep bitchimg about, and slandering, those who got it to stay in for a round of voting, and who voted for it. He, and his knobs, proved they're nothing but a bunch of pathetic useless hypocrites, that are of no benefit to progressives. The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The 4 year old Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC, who has been at it 2 years, helped replace a few more corporate Dems. Dore promotes a third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, that hasn't won the most popular progressive third party a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. Zero seats, zero bills introduced, zero amendments, and zero votes on even a single bill, for what? For some fantasy that a third party candidate, like Kyrsten Sinema was, is going to be perfectly perfect and incorruptible? And, there's more. Dore is a joke.
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  9414. Dore and Greenwald ... Them ranting about "free speech" is ridiculous. There's no such thing as "free speech" on someone else's private property. You don't have a right to be on their private property, to begin with, so you never had a right to be on their private property spewing whatever you want. Glenn whining about "free speech" and editors asking for editorial rewrites (literally part of the job of editors, since the dawn of publishing) is outright moronic. If Dore was an actual leftist, he should be using the absence of free speech on social media to promote public ownership, instead of just agreeing with Tucker over the poor treatment of Trump (incitement isn't even protected speech in a public forum, but Dore didn't argue Trump did anything wrong). Dlore and Mate ... Aaron is being an idiot. There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2012. There have been dozens of UN investigations, that didn't assign blame, that had zero dissenting opinions. There have been dozens of follow up, blame assigning, investigations, that assigned blame to Syria, that had zero dissenting opinions. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple NGO witnesses, independent investigations, legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, etc. In 2018, alone, there was a chemical weapon attack, just the month before the one Aaron whines about. It had an investigation, that didn't assign blame, with zero dissenting opinions. It had a follow up, blame assigning investigation, that assigned blame to Syria, with zero dissenting opinions. Then there's the investigation Aaron is going on about ... Israel, the US, the UK, and France, had all started bombing before inspectors even made it to the sites. The final report, which didn't assign blame, wasn't released until almost a year later. The report had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria, and 2 dissenting opinions doesn't even debunk that single investigation, let alone all the previous chemical weapons uses, including the one just the month before, that could have been used as grounds for war crimes violations. Aaron's Syrian "scandal" is much ado about nothing. They're all loons.
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  9427. ​ @nisa3695  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  9469.  @X7Excalibur  Did I say a theocracy was progressive? Do they have freedom of religion? No and no. The West carved up a more moderate Muslim empire, and handed bits of it to religious extremists. They've backed coups against more moderate, and more democratic, Muslim governments and politicians, who happened to also lean a bit to the left economically (nationalizing oil, voting against a pipeline, or whatnot). They backed religious extremists to take over Afghanistan. They've backed theocratic Saudi as it has spread its ultra-conservative brand of Islam around the world. Then they turn around and bitch and whine about Muslims being too extreme or conservative, and go blow up hundreds of thousands of them. It's insane. And, someone like Harris is an apologist for US interventions, and blames it all on the religion. He's an idiot. He has sounded like an ISIS leader, claiming there is a one true version of Islam, and those who don't follow that aren't "real" Muslims. Turkey is the last remnant of the Ottoman Empire, not Saudi. Homosexuality has always been legal in Turkey, because it was made legal in the Ottoman Empire, at a time when many Western nations still considered it illegal, or considered it a mental disorder. European women travelling in the Ottoman Empire had reported that they thought women there had more rights than in Europe. Today, women in Turkey protest against similar stuff as American women, when conservatives are in power. Of all the Abrahamic religions, Islam allowed for freedom of religion, first. They also used to be leaders in math and science. The west has helped many Muslim nations go backwards, rather than forwards. In some cases, helped them become worse than ever before. That's partly why there are Muslims who aren't "normal" 2021 people. And, no, that's not blaming the west for creating extremists, from scratch. But, if you install extremists, support extremists, support the spread of extremism, remove moderates, suppress moderates, etc., then you've helped create a more extremist environment.
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  9505.  @greenith  Rofl, whether I'm for or against this tax or that tax is irrelevant to the facts, that you can't seem to grasp, or are going out of your way to dance around. It really cracked me up when you called reality "ideology", while arguing against it like a devout cultist. You don't simply have a different "opinion", dumbass, and this was never about "opinion". Yang is, objectively, bad at VAT math, just as you are. And yes, I will start calling people dumbasses, when they prove themselves to be dumbasses. You are, objectively, a dumbass. Objective facts (not subjective opinions) that haven't changed due to your irrelevant deflections or outright bullshit: by intentional design a VAT is not attempting to be a tax on businesses; a VAT is outright trying not to be a tax on businesses to avoid double taxation; a VAT is therefore not a cost on businesses being passed along; a VAT is instead a sales tax on the final consumer only collected in stages; by definition a VAT is an indirect tax; VAT pass through rate studies also show a 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services proving businesses aren't voluntarily eating the tax by keeping prices down; meaning anyone promoting a tax that's designed to NOT tax businesses as a way to tax businesses is completely clueless or completely dishonest (or a mixture, I guess, as you've proved to be both). Last fun fact, for you: All the government links I provided, that you can't grasp, and argued against reality with, were purely for your benefit. I've already had a ton of experience with a VAT, and learned all about it long ago. I'm Canadian. I was already an adult when the VAT/GST was introduced 30 years ago. I witnessed the effects of it being implemented. I also operated a VAT registered business and filled out VAT returns for years. You, ignoring links to educate yourself on the VAT, and pretending like you could educate me on it was priceless. Thanks for the laughs.
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  9557. ​ @alexb8878  There came a point when Native Americans wanted to push the white man back into the sea. It wasn't simply because he was white, dumb dumb. It was because they were colonizers and ethnic cleansers ... Ze'ev Jabotinsky, Iron Wall, 1923 ... "Voluntary Agreement Not Possible. There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority. My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage." "Arabs Not Fools This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system. All Natives Resist Colonists There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel."" "Colonisation carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab. Colonisation can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed."
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  9606. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  9612.  @klauskinski5969  So, Dore and Aaron have clearly explained the fact that the report they kept blathering about didn't actually assign blame, as per Russian UN demands on every first round investigation? They clearly explained that the investigation didn't even start until after the US, and others, had already bombed Syria? They clearly explained the fact that the no fault final report didn't even come out until almost a year after the bombings? Meaning, it's a blatantly obvious fact that the report was never used by anyone as grounds to bomb Syria. They've clearly explained the fact that there have been several of these no fault finding investigations, with zero dissenting opinions, since 2013? They've clearly explained the fact that there have also been several fault finding follow up investigations, with zero dissenting opinions, most finding fault with Syria, since 2013? They've clearly explained that, just the month before the incident they keep blathering about, there was another chemical weapons attack, which went through both rounds of investigations, with zero dissenting opinions, and found fault with Syria? You know it's possible to both not support the US, and others, unilaterally deciding to bomb whoever they want, as well as accept the fact that the Syrian government is complete shit, and has committed numerous human rights abuses, including using chemical weapons on its own citizens? Dore and Aaron seem to make out like it has to be one, or the other. If you don't agree with them, that Syria did no wrong, then you're a US government shill, or something.
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  9614.  @klauskinski5969  1. That doesn't clarify what you're talking about. 2. No. UN inspectors never said Saddam had nuclear weapons, and I didn't say to take the US' word for anything. You're either ignorant, or dishonest ... quite possibly both. 3. It was 9 days after the incident, ffs. Just how long do you think chlorine sticks around in the air for? Non white doctors, and rescue crews, were in there before that. Rofl. History has shown plenty of dictators doing stupid or insane things, and plenty of things that get them bombed, or attacked. 4. You have severe reading comprehension problems, on top of being ignorant. I didn't take Dore and Mate's positions. They're the ones that keep rambling on about a specific report, as if it affected anyone's decision making. It didn't. It's a nothingburger they keep going on and on about. That was what I said from the start, so have no idea how it magically turns into a contradiction. 5. UN inspectors didn't support the US' claim that Saddam still had WMDs, dimwit. Dissenting opinions, in that case, would have said there were WMDs. You seem to know nothing about what happened, leading up to the war with Iraq. Look at who is funding? The UN was funding inspections. They do not have a history of supporting the US' other WMD claims, and Russia (Assad supporter) could veto whatever it wanted (and did veto a bunch of proposals). The multiple incidents that went through two rounds of investigations is because even Russia accepted the conclusions of the first round. "Risk publicly their life"?! Rofl!!! Who has been killed, or even harmed, for having a dissenting opinion, or endlessly blathering support for dissenting opinions? You're a loon.
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  9742. ​ @reader-mx9ss  You are objectively the aggressors, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  9752.  @spectralthundr9525  We started with small government and little interference in economics, after ditching monarchies. Charity schools and hospitals left most of the poor uneducated and with little health care. Zero environmental regulations had companies polluting and poisoning the environment. No law or government, on the Western frontiers, quickly devolved into feudalism. No protection of rights led to persecution, discrimination, and worse. Deregulations, in the past decades, have led to greater monopolies. Things have gone backward, since deregulations and giant tax cuts, to wealth disparity levels on par with the Gilded Age. If that's the past "greatness", politicians are aiming for, it kinda sucked for the vast majority of the population, and ended with labour riots and a great depression. Anyone who thinks capitalism doesn't need any regulations is just clueless about history. As I said, the Western frontier, and an ancap environment, devolved into feudalism. Feudalism is private property owners, with private armies, resolving disputes privately, with no oversight above those private property owners. An absolute monarchy is one of those private property owners monopolizing all the land within certain borders. They set rules for living on their private property. They set rents for living on their private property. They use their private armies to enforce those rules and rents. Then they also settle disputes privately with neighbouring monopolizers. Zero oversight above the private property owners. The whole point of a government of the people, for the people, was to end monopolization. If it's not doing, at least that, then there's no real point to it. Cattle barons were a problem into the 20th century, and only the law and military moving in stopped them. If you want capitalism, it needs to be highly regulated to work. Or else, don't do capitalism. The current corporate model, of ever increasing profits, is unsustainable. It's just impossible to keep having most of the money funnel to the top. That is what will bankrupt countries, not their social programs. There weren't a ton of social programs in the early 1900s. The government even tried helping with union busting, and fought against spreading the wealth. Massive wealth disparity bankrupted the nation. If the consumers, at the bottom, have less and less to spend, it will eventually catch up with the producers, at the top. They'll only be able to cut costs for so long, before everything crashes. Seriously, the consumer should bear half the costs, the producer should bear half the costs, since they're both benefiting from the transaction, and things should be marked up about 50%. Stories of 1000%+ markups is crazy ridiculous price gauging. Things we deem necessary for society to function should be non-profit. The government taking public funds and turning it into private profits, for necessary but privatized services is also nonsense.
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  9771.  @tessa63627  I get it. Throwing 10m of the poorest Americans off Medicaid expansion is totally samesies as not doing that and possibly expanding Medicare. Being shortchanged $600 in covid relief is totally samesies as zero new covid relief, zero new unemployment extension, zero new student loan freeze, zero new eviction freeze, etc. Corporate friendly socially conservative judges are totally samesies as corporate friendly socially liberal judges. And progressives being in the minority party is totally samesies as them being in the majority party. I get that Dore and his knobs don't actually care about anything. All or nothing, or even less than nothing and going completely backwards, for them, because they don't care. They've also proved they don't actually care about simply getting a vote on something important. Weeks of making out like just getting a vote on something important is a big deal ... making out like getting a list of no voters would be huge and lead to big things ... then the $15 minimum gets a vote aaaannnd ... they keep bitching about those who voted for it, and do absolutely nothing with a list of no voters. Just a bunch of pathetic do nothings, who want everything handed to them. I get it. Fighting in the media ... the only thing Dore does, btw ... doesn't count for shit. Spreading ideas to the masses doesn't count as fighting, or getting anywhere. Also, adding M4A yes votes to congress ... the only way to ever pass the bill, and the thing you'd still need to do after a guaranteed to fail show vote ... and removing more corporate Dems from congress, doesn't count as fighting. That reduces ftv down to having a guaranteed to fail show vote and then doing nothing. Entirely pointless, from the get go. No, dumb dumb. You claimed they didn't fight for covid relief for the people, and claimed no covid relief bills were geared towards the people. Either the Heroes Act has zero to do with covid relief, or you were spewing complete bullshit, as Dore knobs tend to do.
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  9792. ​ @msbkaioken136  You're saying a lot of nothing. Here. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... The history of Likud is the history of Revisionist Zionism. In 1923, its founder, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, wrote The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. That same year, Ze'ev separated from the Haganah, and began training his own Betar militant youth group which, along with other Revisionists who broke from Haganah, formed the Irgun, and Lehi, terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Vichy Lebanon, and continued fighting against the British, throughout WWII. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the non-Jewish majority of Palestine, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and there were at least 711,000 non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the non-Jewish majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Those terrorist groups also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists, on the other hand, wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, then became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, wrote about, in a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories (OPT) are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... that millions more Palestinian refugees, don't have a right of return, to vote ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  9944. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  9958. Max Miller considers this to be Judaism? In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism. All the Zionists, and their supporters, who are justifying slaughtering civilians, are the people who are truly justifying the Hamas attack, because they're wrong about who the actual aggressor is. Like Ben Shapiro, arguing it was okay for the Allies to intentionally target the most densely populated parts of Dresden, or drop bombs on Japanese cities ... If he insists, but Israel (colonizer, ethnic cleanser, occupier, ghetto operator, ethno-state) is actually Nazi Germany in the WWII analogy.
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  9963.  @lotsofuwuenergy3983  You, clearly, tried to argue that someone else, using some other method of grouping things, would mean they're doing something other than math, when that's not at all the case. Whether someone describes changing amounts with modern Arabic mathematical notation, or describes changing amounts with the Babylonian sexagesimal number system, or some alien method, it's all still math. Whether they're measuring in km, or measuring in miles, or measuring in some alien method it's all still math. Whether you group things differently and count out 50 individual pennies, or count out 10 nickles, they represent the same amount. Whether you measure the speed of light by Earth year or Mars year, it's still traveling the same speed. So, I don't see how I could possibly be saying the same thing as you, when you think simply using different names, symbols, or grouping methods, is no longer math. Languages may be a social construct, and people can use all different kinds of languages and methods to communicate, but that doesn't make everything they're communicating a social construct. Saying a chemical reaction turns into a social construct, once we've discovered it, makes little, to no, sense. It's like saying that, if I've never seen snow, then discover it, snow is a social construct. And, the first person I replied to, clearly, tried to argue that because a "3" doesn't exist in reality, without humans, what that "3" represents doesn't exist in reality, which also isn't the case. Again, that's like saying since letters forming the word "tree" don't exist in reality without humans, or this 🌲 symbol doesn't exist in reality without humans, then trees don't really exist. It's nonsensical. A water molecule would still have the same amount of atoms, what we call "three" or "3", whether we ever counted them, or ever developed names and numbers, or not. Math is based on objectively existing amounts. Even if people weren't around to label atoms grouped together as objects, there'd still be some massive amount of atoms in the universe, there'd still be a (1) universe, and the big bang would still have equated to no universe (0) + a universe (1) = a universe (1), and there'd still be an ever growing amount of time passing. The two of you are basically arguing that absolutely everything in existence, that we know about, is a social construct, and supporting arguments you both used were nonsense. Maybe try explaining how absolutely everything is a social construct without the nonsensical arguments.
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  9992. ​ @jds614 Absolute bullshit. Zionists knew exactly how things would play out, and they did it anyway. Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923 ... "There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority. My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage." "This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system." Likud was founded by Irgun terrorist Menachem Begin, child murderer, Palestinian Jew murderer (because they didn't support Zionism) ... and Ariel Sharon, war criminal who massacred Palestinian villages. Their platform ... "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty." All evidence points towards Netanyahu still aiming for that goal.
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  9996. How a UBI is paid for is important. A VAT doesn't actually tax corporations like Amazon. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT be a tax on registered businesses, and only the smallest of businesses aren't required to register. "a consumption tax because it is borne ultimately by the final consumer. It is not a charge on businesses." https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en "Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption." http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt) Yang, and this channel apparently, are either clueless or lying, when they claim it will tax corporations. Amazon won't pay in a dime, and will only benefit from $3t in consumer spending. Their 2% share of US consumer spending would make them $60b extra a year. That would, in turn, make Bezos something like an extra $6b a year ... far more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT in a year. Yang would have money funneling to the top handful of people at an even faster rate than it is now. That's unsustainable. 30 years after Yanganomics will look worse than things do 30 years after Reaganomics. If there's going to be mass automation, an expanding economy doesn't guarantee more jobs for humans, and you're handing Amazon an extra $60b a year that they can invest in automating faster. Yang likes to dishonestly compare his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which has corporations paying Alaskans a dividend for their resources. If Alaskans went out and spent every dime of their dividend on gasoline sold by those same oil companies, it would be a wash. The two would keep feeding each other. Not even close to the same thing Yang is proposing.
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  10009. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  10015.  @AmitArtz  Some intellectually weak strawmanning there, Mr Physicist. Either that, or severe reading comprehension problems. I made no argument about whether something exists, or doesn't exist, whether it's "true", or isn't "true". I mean, the clue to my position, on that front, is in my profile name. You even claimed to formerly be one, and yet you don't seem to grasp what that position is. And, the only one who seems "triggered", is you. It is you, who just argued that the word "god" can mean 8 billion different things, making it a gibberish word, not me. That makes you the one now arguing that simply using the word in a sentence makes the sentence incoherent. I, on the other hand, argued that claiming god is guiding him, wants him to do this, or wants him to do that, is incoherent. The word I used was "unevidenced", which makes no claim of whether something exists, or not. Being a physicist, you should know that supernatural things lie outside the bounds of science, exactly because they are unevidenced. If there was empirical evidence, they'd simply be natural. Whatever his experience was, how could he even prove to himself that it was indeed a god, and not a fairy pretending to be a god. How would he ever be able to tell the difference? His conclusion is incoherent. It doesn't follow that a "feeling", or whatnot, was a sign from a god. On top of that, as I originally said, throw in the fact that there are multiple people claiming this person, that person, or themselves, were chosen by a god. It's incoherent nonsense, when opposing football teams, or armies, or politicians, claim God wants them to win.
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  10031. ​ @Cheesesteakfreak  Sam is an idiot. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  10110.  @zachdave2994  Lol, you're like someone arguing a medium, or minimum, security prison, isn't a prison. Likud's own platform states that the Pal territories are not, and never will be, independent. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  10112.  @zachdave2994  Your comment was about who was worse, between the two sides fighting. My comment addressed that Znists making WWII analogies put Israel on the wrong side of the analogy. You rambling on about whether Nazis were worse than Znists is completely irrelevant to that point. Znists are the colonizers, the ethnic cleansers, the occupiers, and the ones operating a ghetto. It's completely irrelevant whether a Nzi ghetto was worse than a Znist ghetto. It doesn't affect my point, in the least. They're still the Nzis in the analogy. You were the one deflecting to irrelevance. Rofl. The history of Likud is the history of Revisionist Znism. They have never wanted peace. Likud's platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  10157.  @zachdave2994  Your original "argument" brought up the Allies, in response to IL klling children. I mentioned a few reasons why IL is more analogous to the Axis. The clonization, which you ignored. The occpation, which you ignored. And, that they're the one operating a WWII style fascist ghtto. That was the one thing you grasped upon, which isn't even necessary, to make the point that Znist invders, clonizers, and occpiers, are more analogous to the Axis than the Allies. Clonizers are never not the aggrssors. Znists are the aggrssors. Nzis were the aggrssors. As for Gza, it is walled, just the same. IL controls the borders, airspace, shores, electricity, water, what goes in and out (including food), and who goes in and out, just the same. The IL occpier has complete military dominance over the walled space, just the same. There actually were not Nzis "everywhere", inside ghttos, like you said. They didn't like interacting with Jws, and didn't want their troops doing so either. They tried to minimize contact with Jws. Hence the Jwish councils and Jwish ghtto police, who administered the interior of ghttos. The Nzis militrized, and guarded, the perimeter, just like IL. Not all Nzi ghttos had forced slve labour, like you said. Some had work permit based labour. Some Jwish councils even negotiated to create places for Jws to work, so they could earn extra food and money. Not all Nzi ghttos had experiments, and ghttos weren't the same as exterm camps, as you've tried to make out. Gza not being 100% on par with the worst possible Nzi ghtto, doesn't mean it isn't equivalent to any WWII style fscist ghtto. You would rule out a number of actual Nzi ghttos, with your standards. Gza has enough similarities, to qualify.
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  10183.  @bellfaith1065   Hrrrm, YouTube not liking some word here .... 60+ court cases ... nothing. Multiple state investigations ... nothing (some even finding more votes for Joe). Every single insurrectionist court case, a chance to provide evidence the election was rigged and that the insurrectionists were the ones trying to save democracy ... nothing but a bunch of guilty verdicts. Every single defamation case, a chance to provide evidence they weren't lying ... nothing but settlements for hundreds of millions of dollars, so far. Every single RICO defendant case, a chance to prove the election was rigged and that they were the ones trying to save democracy ... nothing but flipping, guilty pleas, and attempts to delay, so far. Plus, you seem to have things backwards. You're the ones claiming a crime happened, and you can't even provide an ounce of evidence. You're the ones wanting innocent people charged, based on zero evidence. You can't even build a good enough fake case, to get a judge to look at it. On the flip side ... Donnie boy has claimed the Emmys were rigged, claimed the first Ohio primary was rigged, claimed the 2016 election was rigged and that he actually won the popular vote (he even set up his own election integrity commission which found no such thing), and then claimed the 2020 election was rigged. There is a documented history of him lying, and being unable to take an L, like a man. He's just a spoiled little "billionaire" brat, who cries whenever he doesn't get his way.
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  10203.  @janimay7564  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  10408. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  10413. ​ @samuelross9884  Rofl. You sure typed out a lot, but were wrong, and no longer worth reading, in the first sentence. Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, dimwit. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are Hispanic and Catholic. All these "Arab" countries weren't completely emptied of people and totally refilled by actual Arabians from a small desert country. You Zionists are complete and utter morons, if you actually believe that's what happened, or completely dishonest bullshit peddlers, all to try and justify colonizing and ethnic cleansing Palestinians. Canaan was a land of independent city states, which shared a similar culture, mythology, and language. Do you morons want to go back to that? No. The first nation to rule over Canaan was Egypt. Do you morons want to give it back to them? No. You want to pick a very specific 500 year period in time, and return to that ... nothing before, nothing after. When Egypt was pushed out of the region, right beside the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, emerged Philistia, at the same time. Since then, all, or part, of the region has been called Peleset, Philistia, Philistine, Palestine, or Filastin, by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks (Aristotle wrote that the Dead Sea was "in Palestine"), Western Romans, Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims, Christian crusaders, the Ottomans, the British, and even the first Zionist congress, that wanted to create a home "in Palestine". You know what the region wasn't called, all or in part, since about 700 BCE? Israel. Even Israelite refugees to Judah stopped calling themselves that, and started calling themselves Judahites. Then, when they later created their religion in Babylon, that's why it became known as "Judaism", not "Israelism". Even when they gained some semi-autonomy, under the Greeks, they called it "Judea", not "Israelea". But, even your garbage take on history wouldn't matter. Ancient history is irrelevant. I can't round up millions of people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "go back", claim half of England, and cleanse that half of its current inhabitants. If we did, we'd still be colonizers and ethnic cleansers. No part of the definition of "colonizer" says people "returning", after a long absence, can't be colonizers. All Europeans have ancient roots in Africa. They still colonized the f*ck out of it. If you're simply ignorant, fix that. If you're a dishonest person, that lies to try and justify colonialism and ethnic cleansing, you're disgusting.
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  10430. ​ @GR33TINGSEARTHL1NGS  He's an ignoramus. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... The history of Likud is the history of Revisionist Zionism. In 1923, its founder, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, wrote The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. That same year, Ze'ev separated from the Haganah, and began training his own Betar militant youth group which, along with other Revisionists who broke from Haganah, formed the Irgun, and Lehi, terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Vichy Lebanon, and continued fighting against the British, throughout WWII. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the non-Jewish majority of Palestine, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and there were at least 711,000 non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the non-Jewish majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Those terrorist groups also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists, on the other hand, wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, then became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, wrote about, in a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories (OPT) are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... that millions more Palestinian refugees, don't have a right of return, to vote ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  10433.  @knukkaboom4491  You're a moron. It's right in the word, dummy. "Feudalism" comes from the old Germanic word "fihu", which means "cattle". "Fihu" is also where the word "fee" comes from. Sure, there was a variety of bartering, but there was a standard ... the cow. Just like ten dimes is worth the standard dollar, ten chickens might be worth the standard cow. Early feudal lords were, effectively, cattle barons of old. Like the dimwit you are, you jumped straight into nations, with laws, skipping over the earliest feudalism, with no minted coins, with no kings, without even a unified nation, well outside Rome, amongst Germanic tribes. A family would settle land, the family head would be owner, the family would grow, the settlement would grow, but still be considered to be the head's property, the head would pass it down to an eldest son, just like centuries of inheritance, and also perfectly okay in an ancap environment. The settlement might grow to attract other settlers, but they'd still be considered to be living on the head of the family's property. He could charge them rent, make them pledge loyalty, make rules, whatever he wanted, for the right to live on his property. All perfectly fine in an ancap environment. If they had a property dispute with a nearby clan, they'd settle it with their private armies. If you got sick of the other clan, maybe you'd just go outright conquer their settlement, and claim it as your own. There's no oversight, or legal system, saying there's anything wrong with that in an ancap environment. Now you privately own two settlements, so maybe you stick a close family member, or friend, in as manager of your other settlement. Then maybe you add another, and another, etc. All perfectly legal, because there is no law above you in an ancap environment. Etc. Etc. Etc. Until you've got a large enough group of settlements, to declare yourself a king of something ... the Angles, the Franks, ... whatever. Absolute monarchies are complete private ownership of an entire region. The private owner can make whatever rules (laws) they want, for living on their private property. The private owner can charge whatever price (rent, tax) they want, for living on their private property. The private owner can mint his own money, with his face on it, good inside his privately owned nation. The private owner can hire a private policing force, to enforce the rules for living on his private property. Etc. So you shut down the government, and turn the US ancap ... what's to stop giant corporations from hiring large private armies and throwing their weight around? What's to stop the rich from hiring small private armies, and throwing their weight around?
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  10451. A new myth being promoted by candidate Andrew Yang: "Amazon, Google, and other companies funnel hundreds of billions in earnings overseas. In fact, Amazon paid zero in taxes last year. A VAT makes it impossible for them to benefit from the American people, automation, and infrastructure without paying their fair share." In actuality, a VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation. A VAT is a sales tax collected in stages with all the business stages getting their input VAT credited back to them. Anyone promoting a tax designed to not tax businesses as a way to tax businesses is speaking gibberish. Comparing his dividend, which won't have corporations paying into it, to the Alaskan dividend, which is paid into by corporations, is totally disingenuous ... Yang also seriously needs to stop pretending that every UBI is alike, because they aren't, and how they're funded is extremely important. His claim that a VAT/UBI combo will have corporations paying you for your data, paying you for every automated truck mile, or paying you to show you ads, is utter nonsense. Let's say I sell computers. Like any business, to make a profit, I have to first cover my costs. If a portion of my per computer costs are $100 in Facebook data, $100 in Google ads, and $100 in automated Amazon deliveries, that $300 will included in the price of my computers. Add a 10% VAT, and my business would initially pay $30 in input VAT on those costs, but then, when I sell, I will collect $30 in output VAT on that $300 portion of my price. The business gets to reclaim that $30, paying no taxes in the end. The government gets $30, and the customer pays $30 ... pays a tax on their own data, pays a tax to be shown ads, and pays a tax on the automation taking their job. Yang's own linked to pass through rate study debunks his claims. Regarding the "central question", the study found a 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services. It was only including zero rated goods, and other things that are only relevant to overall CPI or inflation, that lowered the pass through rate. A zero rated good or service is irrelevant to who pays the tax because nobody is paying on a zero rated item. Taking a standard rated 100% pass through item, and a zero rated 0% pass through item, will give you an average pass through of 50%, but you can't reverse engineer that, like Yang, and claim consumers and businesses paid 50/50. No. The consumer paid 100% on 50% of the items. The broader findings of the pass through study simply means consumers are paying about 100% of the tax on about 30% of the things they spend their money on. Since a VAT won't have corporations paying into the dividend, and since he already agrees current taxation won't have corporations paying into the dividend, then they will only get the benefits of the dividend being spent. Amazon's share of US consumer spending is 2.3%. If even 2% of $3t is spent on Amazon, they'll make an extra $60b a year. Instead of making them pay their fair share, Yang would make giant corporations extra billions a year. Americans should learn how a VAT works, and try to figure out if Yang is just clueless or if he's lying. If lying, remember he originally wanted to replace all government assistance programs, including SS, SSDI, and VA benefits, and originally wanted to have a VAT on everything, including food. The "humanity first" candidate had to hear negative feedback to be convinced those weren't great ideas. https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt) Even Amazon knows a VAT doesn't end up taxing businesses. https://services.amazon.co.uk/services/vat-resources.html
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  10463.  @ubuu7  Okay, but making the Bezoses of the world, who live on stocks, extra billions a year, because your not taxing their source of their increasing wealth, giant corporations, is a big problem. It's unsustainable, especially in a future with mass automation, and a largely unemployed consumer base. Tons of unemployed consumers can't be the ones funding their own UBI. As to other sources of funding, Yang already agreed giant corporations were dodging paying taxes through those methods. It's part of the basis of his argument to make them pay through a VAT. He just doesn't understand that they wouldn't pay through a VAT, either. The regressive topic is a different one. Unless everyone's income and wealth is equal, a consumption tax will always be regressive (a higher percent of poorer people's total wealth and income, including their UBI income, than a very rich person's). You can try and offset it, but it will still be regressive. And, no, some of the poorest people are already collecting benefits of a kind that Yang didn't have stack with his UBI, so his plan doesn't always benefit the poor most. Many could receive little, to no benefit, from the UBI, but still have to pay a VAT on many things. That could make some worse off. For example, Yang didn't have his UBI stack with SSI (not to be confused with SSDI) or SNAP, with do stack together now. Someone with a permanent disability could be collecting $993 a month. So, you give them $7 extra a month, but if they have to pay even $8 in VAT, on $80 worth of monthly purchases, or bills, then they're worse off. A "luxury" isn't a product in a certain price range, it's a category of product. A flip phone would have a tax just like an iPhone. A very basic flip phone service would have a tax just like a top of the line smart phone service. A movie would have a tax just like a Broadway show. McDonald's would have a tax just like a fancy restaurant. Etc. And, all the rich people also wouldn't have to pay taxes on their better quality, and larger amounts, of zero rated goods and services, staples, necessities. Sure, many people would be better off, but blanket statements about all the poor being better off, just aren't true. Meanwhile, many people who are pretty well off would get extra shopping spree money, or vacation money. Based on a basic household budget, and how much is spent on VATable goods and services, a single adult household wouldn't start paying more in than they get back until about a $400k income, $800k income if a two adult household. That's kind of nutty, if you're doing nothing to improve the lives of a bunch of the poorest citizens.
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  10504. ​ @aidancoutts2341  Actual facts say that Israel is the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  10525.  @gigiontube  Apparently you, and many idiot corporate leaders, can't even do basic math, or only care about the short term gains vs long term sustainability. If all jobs went to $3 a day Mexicans or Haitians, or were automated, then nobody would have any money to buy anything from those stupid companies, and everything would collapse. Only a complete moron would think you could send all jobs to super cheap labour countries, and still survive. They need to sell in a market where people actually make enough money to buy their crap and make them a profit. So, no, they don't simply need workers. They also need people with money, who can afford their goods. They need a safe environment to sell their goods in. They need a decent infrastructure. Surely, if you used your brain, you'd see they aren't making their billions off of Haitian consumers. Some companies use $3 a day Haitians to cut costs, but do they sell all their goods to those Haitians? Of course not! It would be moronic to think that was feasible. No, they bring their product to the US to sell. So, even, those shit corporate leaders, like Trump, who outsource their labour, still bring the goods to the US to sell, and still benefit the most from doing business there. Oh Jesus, the economy has been trending for the better, since 2009. It was a global financial crisis, you dumb twit. Russia is trending better since 2009. The UK is trending better since 2009. Etc. Etc. Trump must be magic. He made things better around the world and before he was president. Amazing! Taxes aren't theft you stupid twatwaffle. That just shows you're a moron who doesn't know the definition of, at least, one of those words.
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  10553.  @jlassonful  What a load of crap. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  10611. ​ @ThePoliticalBulldog  Dimwit. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  10696. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  10728.  @davidackerman6837  You mean like Jimmy, who has his own healthcare, and didn't care if promoting Trump as better than Clinton would lead to the ACA being repealed and millions losing theirs, including those with preexisting conditions? Like Jimmy, who promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice" aka public option) over Bernie, not supporting the better healthcare plan, and not caring if peeling away votes from Bernie could let Biden win? Like Jimmy, who spent the general running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if that would lead to total ACA repeal, and suddenly not supporting a public option that also included lowering of the Medicare age, which would add millions more to Medicare? Like Jimmy, who's backing a third party route that won't even get you a seat in congress in the next 50 years, let alone get you M4A, and could just be popular enough to split progressive voting and hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying the healthcare system even more? That guy doesn't give a flying fuck if anyone ever gets healthcare. Threatening to paralyze the house could just get you a paralyzed house, with corporate Dems blaming progressives for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., during a pandemic. Slandering progressive politicians, who just help add more yes votes to congress, just as the progressive caucus is an election or two away from becoming the majority of house Dems, when they can actually have the majority to pick the speaker, and then bring up progressive bills for votes as often as they like, is moronic. Jimmy is a pro at overestimating the benefits and underestimating the risks.
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  10744.  @edwardz.rosenthal9946  Yes, the ACA provided millions more with healthcare, and covered people with preexisting conditions. Not awesome, but a step forward. Republicans went nuts trying to repeal it. It even took an Obama veto of their repeal attempts in the end. So, a person who actually cared about those millions having healthcare wouldn't promote a Republican president, who'd sign a repeal, as a better option for progressives than Clinton in 2016. Dore did what he could to help Trump get elected, even promoting Stein as having a shot. He didn't give a crap if that meant millions could lose their healthcare. During the 2020 primaries, he promoted Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" (public option) over Bernie and his M4A. He didn't give a crap if her plan wasn't as good as his. He didn't give a crap if he peeled off any progressive votes from the more viable candidate, and help Biden win. He didn't give a crap. During the general election, he basically ran an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, Biden. Again he didn't care that Trump and Republicans were trying to gut the ACA, he didn't care about getting another small step forward with lowering the Medicare age and a public option (which he had just fucking supported with Tulsi). He didn't give a fuck. The only way to possibly ever pass M4A is to get more yes votes in congress, which AOC just helped do. She used her platform and PAC to fight DCCC backed corporate Dems. She threw punches. They just punched her back, by not giving her the committee seat she wanted. Dore, the armchair general slandering her over a fucking tactics disagreement, is a coward stabbing her in the back. Jimmy doesn't have the balls to get out of his garage and run himself. Go ahead, try to get the forcethevote movement going, but if it doesn't happen, all the slander will have done is convince some idiots that they should abandon congressional progressives. Again, that's not giving two shits about the small gains of getting more yes votes in congress, not giving a shit about moving forward. Plus, he's stupid, and doesn't even make a proper risk assessment, which could backfire and hurt progressives and M4A. On top of all that, he's ready to go with yet another third party, that likely won't even win a single seat in 50 years (the Libertarian party is turning 50 in a couple years), let alone get you M4A. He doesn't give a crap if that splits progressive voting, loses the gains made within the Democrat party, fully hands the party back to corporate Dems, and lets Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying even the public healthcare insurance there is. He doesn't give a flying fuck. He's a fucking child, whose gets so impatient with small steps forward that he abandons them and changes directions, if that leads to small steps forward he again abandons them and changes directions, and so on ... in the end, Jimmy Dore will lead you nowhere. Maybe you could try to argue that he cares so much that he can't act rationally, but his actions indicate he doesn't give a fuck if anyone ever reaches destination healthcare. Colossus? If spreading ideas across social media counts as fighting, then AOC completely destroys Jimmy in the only arena he fights in. Total annihilation. Her platform is worth about 40 of his. A single M4A tweet of hers is worth about 70 of his. It's nonsensical the number of Dore knobs who consider Jimmy to be "fighting" but consider her using her much larger platform to spread progressive ideas, including M4A, to be doing nothing. We probably wouldn't be having this discussion without Bernie making M4A a mainstream talking point. Again, if spreading an idea counts as fighting, then Bernie is a champ. Disagree with his pragmatic lesser of two evils approach, but to also call him a "fake", "shill", "wimp", is just more bullshit slander. Dore doesn't actually give a fuck about getting anywhere. Remember when the Tea Party ate their own Tea Party friendly politicians, and fractionalize the Tea Party itself? Me either.
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  10746.  @edwardz.rosenthal9946  The US healthcare system is disgusting. The lack of support for those in need is disgusting. But, unless you can somehow change the way government works, or overthrow the government, getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass a bill. Getting more pro-M4A candidates elected, or converting enough candidates already elected, is the primary tactic, no matter what else is going on. Anyone working on that primary tactic isn't doing nothing, isn't a "shill", isn't a "sellout", isn't a "fake", and definitely isn't a "wimp", if they're in the swamp getting their hands dirty and trading punches in the actual political trenches. This is all a debate about a secondary tactic, and whether it would provide more ammo, to accomplish the primary tactic. It's not going to get you M4A now. It's almost 100 votes short in the house alone, let alone the senate. So, what would it get you? A list? You already get a new list of people in congress who won't sign onto the bill when it's reintroduced every new session, that need to be converted or replaced. You can already use that list to pressure them, protest them, or primary them. Why weren't the 100 extra Pro-M4A candidates Jimmy has lined up in the election that just happened? Why wasn't BJG organizing mass protests against anti-M4A candidates during the election that just happened? Why wasn't during the elections the time to act? Why isn't now the time to act, instead of after a failed vote? Catch a few fakers? Who cares about trying to ferret out a few fakes, when you have 100+ people to convert or replace in the house and senate, already? There's already a lot of names to work with, without worrying about whether there's a few fakers, who wouldn't even have to expose themselves knowing it won't even pass the house. Get a record of them outright opposing M4A to use against them? It took a single reporter's question to get Biden on public record saying he'd veto M4A. It didn't take threatening to paralyze the house. Plenty of these people have just campaigned and made public statements against M4A. So why isn't this being used against them already? What are Jimmy and his supporters waiting for? They could be doing whatever is supposed to spontaneously happen after a failed vote, right now. A debate on the floor? That's the best reason I've heard. It could be used to inform the public and garner more support (only 36% of Americans want outright M4A, 26% want some private/public mix like a public option, and the others want the status quo or are complete Libertarian morons). But, the corporate Dem and Republican majority would also be using their debate time to misinform. Likely the corporate media, as well. It might be more productive to run some kind of pro-M4A information campaign directly to the public, where they don't also hear 3 anti voices, and a bunch of bad MSM press, per 1 pro voice. So, I'm more unsure on this point, and don't see the big benefit of the others. So, for questionable gains, there are risks. If people desperately want M4A now, then they should already be doing most of those things already. The DSA has been having M4A rallies. Get out to them, promote them, start your own. The CBO (the government itself) just released a major study showing various types of single payer systems actually reduce overall costs. Spread the info. If your rep's name isn't signed onto the M4A bill, demand to know why. If they won't budge, make sure to support a pro-M4A candidate against them. If there isn't one, find one fast. What are all the impatient Dore fans waiting for? Do it right fucking now! Or are they just lazy armchair generals hoping a failed vote will spark others into rising up and doing it for them?
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  10793.  @barkrussell4083   @Bark Russell  But you keep acting like those rules mattered in every election ever, when that's objectively just not the case. They've only mattered 5 times. The 2 times it happened in modern history, produced 2 of the dumbest presidents in US history. What was the upside? You also keep inserting your subjective opinion about people, and accusing them of just being sore losers, when they accepted multiple losses, before, when electoral and popular gave the same result. The popular still would have given you Reagan and Bush Sr. It's specifically the fact that the electoral has trumped the popular, twice in the past 20 years, that people have a problem with. You can't seem to grasp that that happening makes people feel disenfranchised. It puts a spotlight on just how many millions of their votes don't matter. If you think feeling that way is simply being a sore loser then, again, I have to say you're not too bright for continuing to repeat it, and that has nothing to do with simply disagreeing on the mechanics of it all. Also, the founding fathers weren't perfect. They disenfranchised over half the population (women and minorities, and even allowed for disenfranchising white men who didn't own property), and they didn't even require states to let the general population vote for president. Their rules allowed for state assemblies to just elect the president for everyone in the state, which happened in numerous states at the beginning. People in 1920 could have simply said that not letting women to vote has "worked" for 130 years, why change the rules now? Because the rules sucked.
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  10812.  @edpachomovas3807  ​Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  10961. Stop bullshitting. You don't care about others having healthcare. In 2016, you promoted Trump as a better option, not caring if that might lead to the repeal of the ACA and millions losing their healthcare, including people with preexisting conditions. During the 2020 primaries, you promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice" aka public option) instead of Bernie (M4A), not caring about getting the better healthcare plan, and not caring that you might peel away enough votes from the more viable progressive and let Biden win. You spent the general basically running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if that would lead to the ACA being completely repealed, not caring if he killed thousands of more Americans, and no longer advocated for getting even a public option, or the Medicare age decrease that would put millions more on Medicare. Plus, you're promoting yet another third party that won't even get you a seat in congress in the next 50 years, let alone get you M4A, and could just split progressive voting enough to lose the gains they've made within the Dem party, handing it back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying the healthcare system even more. If anyone is a "fake", "shill", "sellout", or whatnot, it's clearly you, Jimmy. AOC backed Bernie over Biden, Biden over Trump, and just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the only thing that will ever get M4A passed, failed show vote or no failed show vote.
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  10963. 75-90% of people dying are unvaccinated. According to the very Gallup article Jimmy cited recently, the hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated is 89x higher than the vaccinated (then he went on to dishonestly compare those rates to a "death rate" that's based on totally different math and also a year and a half old). So, yeah, people not getting vaxxed are morons. The UK has a totally socialized healthcare system, not just socialized health insurance. Their moron of a leader also didn't take it seriously, for some time, and they also had a shit result because of it. Some other countries with single payer health insurance, also had shit responses. They, and the US, all had pathetically low trace testing rates, testing fewer than 10 people per confirmed case, for months, allowing the virus to spread. Countries with high trace testing rates (50+ people per confirmed case), and a high percentage of the population following guidelines, like S Korea, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, and some others, had excellent responses. Their covid death rates would translate into 750+k fewer deaths, in the US. Even the death rates in countries with mediocre testing rates (15+ people per confirmed case) and somewhat better following of guidelines, like Canada, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Norway, and some others, would translate into hundreds of thousands fewer deaths, in the US. So, no, simply having universal healthcare didn't save a lot of lives, and yes, the go to covid measures can save hundreds of thousands of lives, if people follow them. People fighting and arguing against them are morons. Jimmy is also a moron.
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  11004.  @gilbertlam9398  Fact is that Hamas is just a poor man's Likud. Likud was founded by Menachem Begin, Irgun terrorist leader who bombed the King David Hotel. The Irgun also bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Begin ... terrorist, child murderer, Jew murderer ... as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", platform, declares an intent to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  11074. These super rich shits, living off stocks, aren't paying as much in taxes, as you make out. It is the lesser rich, with large taxable annual incomes, paying most of the 1%'s taxes. Nobody needs billionaires to continue existing, just to pay taxes. The rest of your argument was about them going to trickle down their wealth, by creating more businesses, jobs, and other bullshit, which they aren't really doing. Their wealth increased by $1.7t over the pandemic. Where's the $1.7t in new businesses, raised wages, expanding current businesses, charities, etc.? They need consumers with money, to exist. Plenty more taxes in other countries, and they keep their businesses there. Nothing you blathered changes the fact that property taxes tax property, annually, not on sale, when the value is realized. Nor did you change the fact that "property tax" used to tax all property, and was effectively a kind of wealth tax, which worked just fine, before income taxes. Why would it lower the value of the stock? It would put more stock up for sale, each year, and the value would depend on demand. It would be a way for others, including retirement plans, to buy more of the stock. Inflation doesn't simply magically rise with money supply, all on its own, dimwit. People with more money want to buy more stuff. Instead of keeping prices the same and increasing supply to meet the new demand, businesses raise the prices until demand drops to meet supply. The problem was, first, allowing for supply to drop so much, during the pandemic, and giving more money to businesses than consumers. If they had given the money to consumers, they would have kept demanding stuff from businesses, who would have then kept up supply. If you hand the money to businesses, then they get paid for not having to sell/supply anything, and they can let supply drop. You're basically arguing that people need to be paid shit, so they can't demand more.
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  11117. Get rid of Ben Gleib. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  11134. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11175. ​ @bikeman78  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11218. ​ @danielbaroni4166  If you justify killing Palestinian civilians, for the actions of Hamas, then you've likewise justified killing Israeli civilians, for the actions of Netanyahu. Congratulations. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11268.  @joshualocicero6799  Me: explains how capitalist communities without law and order also devolved into feudalism on the Western frontier. You: you didn't explain how ancap devolves into feudalism. An absolute monarchy is not really a government. It is a form of governance not much different than a private corporation. The owner of the company claims property and resources. They can make rules for living on their private property. They can charge whatever rent they want on their private property. They can hire private security to enforce the rules and collect the rent on their private property. They can hire private militaries to protect their private property and interests. Etc. There are zero rules against any of that in ancap. It's like owning a very large apartment building without government interference. To say none of that is okay under ancap is to say people can't own apartment buildings, set rent, make rules, and protect said apartment, under ancap. Now, if two of these folks have differences, there is no legal body they have to answer to, to settle the dispute. They can settle it anyway they want. If they can't come to a private agreement, then they may pit their private armies against each other. If one apartment owner claims the neighbouring apartment is also theirs, what governing legal body will settle the dispute? None. If the US switched to ancap tomorrow, is there any rule saying Amazon, and other corporations, can't buy up as much of the US military as they can afford? No. What is wrong with a direct democracy? How would you ever decide to go ancap without at least one vote? Lol
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  11287. ​ @rs72098  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11288.  @robertbaur3145  Comparing some websites to air is itself a little insane. Plenty of people still don't use social media, don't us one or the other, get sick of one or the other and stop using them, etc. People don't tend to not use, or stop using, air. Sure, they are big. Sure, they are popular. Sure, they have worldwide reach. But, social media are not only private property, they're actually private social clubs, with memberships, and you have to agree to tos to get a membership. They truly aren't even as public as a mall, that you can freely walk in and out of without having to sign an agreement, let alone a public square. Private clubs have been revoking memberships their entire existence. Getting banned from the most popular private club down the street isn't even close to being banned from every single club, or being banned from the street, and not even in the same universe as being banned from air. Nobody would bat an eye, if Trump lost his golf club membership, for wandering into the women's change room one too many times. Like I said, I'm all for public ownership, but if the right wing private property capitalists aren't, then they should quit f*cking whining about the world they created. Rand Paul's ideal right-libertarian world would hand corporations unlimited freedom and power to do the very thing they're doing. For him to keep a membership at one private club, for the sole purpose of coming back to it, to whine about it, and to promote the new private club he belongs to, is pretty sad. If this were my club, I'd perma ban him, for publicly announcing that's all he was going to use my club for.
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  11312. Max Miller considers this to be Judaism? In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism. All the Zionists, and their supporters, who are justifying slaughtering civilians, are the people who are truly justifying the Hamas attack, because they're wrong about who the actual aggressor is. Like Ben Shapiro, arguing it was okay for the Allies to intentionally target the most densely populated parts of Dresden, or drop bombs on Japanese cities ... If he insists, but Israel (colonizer, ethnic cleanser, occupier, ghetto operator, ethno-state) is actually Nazi Germany in the WWII analogy.
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  11447. "Enlightened centrism" is biased, if it goes against objective reality. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11491. ​Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11492.  @deej20007  Spending months supporting Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A), and then quickly turning around and making out like even just not supporting a secondary tactic for a performance art vote on M4A makes someone a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", etc., slandering people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. Then, after slandering anyone who didn't support his secondary tactic, making out like that single thing meant they were no longer allies, turned around and promoted allying with psychotic extreme right ancap Boogaloos, who want to start a civil war, and who agree on next to nothing when it comes to the economy and social programs, including being completely against M4A. Pretending AOC ever ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. She never did. Slandering AOC and Bernie, claiming they had abandoned M4A, while they were campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying hard to add another M4A advocate to congress. Meanwhile, it was Dore who abandoned Nina Turner, on air ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress. Claiming the vaccine doesn't protect anyone else but the person vaccinated. If you're much less likely to get infected, or even if you carry a smaller viral load and are contagious for a shorter period of time, if infected, those all help protect people around you better. Dishonestly misrepresenting an article showing how more contagious viruses can be deadlier to a population, even though they might not be deadlier on an individual level. The dishonesty that Shaun pointed out, that can't all be blamed on a producer making a stupid mistake. Completely changing the meaning of an article, and skipping over all the bits that go against your narrative, isn't a mistake. That's the kind of thing you do, when you know that's what your boss is looking for. Dore is a f*cking grifter, who benefits the far right, more than the left.
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  11511. Yang doesn't know how his key tax, a VAT, actually works. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation. It's a sales tax, collected in stages, with the business stages all getting paid back their input VAT. Because a VAT won't have corporations like Amazon paying into the dividend, they will only get the benefit of the dividend being spent. Amazon would make an extra $60b a year from $3t in added consumer spending. Ironically, that's billions more they could invest into speeding up their automation timeline, putting people out of work even faster. That would also make the likes of Bezos extra billions a year more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT, speeding up inequality. "a consumption tax because it is borne ultimately by the final consumer. It is not a charge on businesses." "taxable persons (i.e., VAT-registered businesses) deduct from the VAT they have collected the amount of tax they have paid to other taxable persons on purchases for their business activities" "the taxable person is entitled to deduct all the tax already paid at the preceding stage. Therefore, double taxation is avoided" https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en "The GST takes into account the cost of inputs – the factors used in manufacturing or production – at each stage of the process to avoid double taxation. Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption." http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
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  11534. Likud's foundations, and actions, go back about 100 years, to Ze'ev Jabotinsky. In his 1923 The Iron Wall, he fully acknowledged that Zionism was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native population would fight it until the bitter end. He encouraged doing it anyway. His militant youth group, Betar, and other followers of his, from the Haganah, formed the Zionist terrorist group, Irgun. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews, who didn't support colonialist Zionsim. Another Zionist terrorist group, Lehi (Stern Gang), splintered off from the Irgun. Lehi was considered worse than Irgun, were assassins on top of being terrorists, and even tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain. The Irgun ended up being led by Menachem Begin, who had them bomb the King David Hotel. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir. Both terrorist groups opposed partition, for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all, while the Zionist terrorists wanted to colonize it all. Those terrorist groups were involved in many of the massacres that sparked the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of 700k Palestinians. After the Nakba, the Israel population was 715k Jewish and 156k non-Jewish. That means the Jews were a minority, even in the Zionist half of partition, prior to the Nakba. To believe the Zionists had zero intention to ethnically cleanse the non-Jewish majority would require believing they had zero intention to create a Jewish state ... which is a ridiculous proposition. Begin founded Likud. Shamir joined. War criminal, Ariel Sharon, also joined. Their platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq. Likud has a long bloody past, and promises a long bloody future.
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  11580. Taking an "enlightened centrist", both sides-ing, position, doesn't equate to informative or level headed. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11629.  @mycosys  David doesn't seem to cover events, unless something has happened to Israel, or unless there's some news about Hamas doing something bad. Prior to the Hamas attack, there had been almost one Palestinian a day, killed by the IDF or settlers (who are rarely punished). I don't know if I'd say he's an outright Zionist, but I do think he has a bias. "Zionist" also has a definition. It's not simply name calling. Leaving out details, like that, and the entirety of the history, has David, like most, framing things in a way that makes Israel out to be the one responding to Hamas' violence. After hundreds of Palestinians were killed, this year alone, why isn't Hamas instead framed as the one responding to Israel's violence? People are more understanding as to why say Geronimo left the reserve his tribe had been forced onto, multiple times, to go on a warpath. Not framing Israel as the colonialist power that it is, allows for propaganda like "The savages have attacked poor innocent settlers!", rather than "Natives have left the dirt patch they were forced onto, and have attacked people that have been colonizing and ethnically cleansing them, for a century." Maybe unintentional bias, but considering how he criticized AOC for an "uninformed" comment about Israel/Palestine, I would expect him to be more precise. As I said, above, Ze'ev fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. After that point, the colonialists can never really be the "victim". Natives would never be attacking them, if they hadn't done the colonialism, in the first place. On top of the colonialism, Israel was founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. They killed a bunch of Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israelis elected a terrorist, Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun and bombed the King David Hotel. Israel merged those terrorist groups into their new national military/intelligence. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are heroes. Making out like Hamas is "pure evil", without ever mentioning that Israel was founded on similarly "pure evil", and had a "pure evil" PM, is a bias. Even now, Netanyahu has a terrorist in charge of the West Bank. He was previously arrested on his way to bomb a highway out of Gaza, to block the withdrawal of settlers there. He's a racist, who has said that "Palestinian" people don't exist. He's an ultra Orthodox nutjob, who equates homosexuality with bestiality. Plus, he's a genocidal maniac, who made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jews, in all Israel/Palestine. Casually mentioning , now and then, that Israel is an "apartheid state", doesn't get to the true depths of how horrible it is. These are Jewish people that are running an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. It is insanely ghastly, that they've become the thing they fled from. Again, not sure if I'd go as far as saying David is himself a Zionist, but he does show an abnormal bias, when it comes to Israel. Not very objective.
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  11647. ​ @HelloJamesBond  You are the one doing the reversal of who is the aggressor. Everyone going on about Oct 7, is like freaking out that Native American "Savages!" had attacked some colonizers. Sure, not productive and morally questionable, but the natives weren't the aggressors. Or like claiming the resistance groups behind the Warsaw ghetto uprising were the aggressors, against the Nazis. Zionism is colonialism, as the early 20th century Zionists weren't shy to admit. They simply argued their colonialism was "good". One of those being Ze'ev Jabotinsky who, in his 1923 The Iron Wall, fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism and that, based on the entirety of history, the Palestinian natives would fight it until the bitter end. Followers of Ze'ev formed the Irgun and Lehi terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering Palestinian men, women, and children, even Palestinian Jews, who didn't support colonialist Zionsim. The Lehi were considered even more extreme, tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain, continued fighting the British during WWII, assassinated British diplomats, etc. Israel merged those terrorists into their military and intelligence agencies. The leaders of those terrorist groups founded Likud. Both those terrorist leaders were elected as PMs, by Israelis. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorist groups as "heroes". Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Lands of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. They are indigenous, and have basically just been reacting like any people being colonized, for the last 100 years. It is Zionism that is based on absolute batshit crazy religious nuttery. Plus, the fact that partition was forced on the actual majority (1.3m non-Jews vs 630k Jews), against their will ... That non-Jews were still a majority in the Zionist portion of partition (856k non-Jews vs 715k Jews), until 700k were ethnically cleansed and never allowed to return ... And that, all Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, and the millions of Palestinians have no vote for the actual authority over them, Israel ... Means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. They're operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, ffs. They're, objectively, the aggressors, the bad guys.
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  11650. The thing I take issue with is calling what private companies do on their own private property, "censorship". If I owned a newspaper and magazine shop, and didn't want to stock the NY Post, that's not "censorship". If my store had a community bulletin board and someone pinned up something I didn't want associated with my store, me taking it down isn't "censorship". It's not like you can't go buy the NY Post elsewhere, or go advertise your thing elsewhere. Only if some government authority told me that I couldn't stock something, or couldn't let people post something, would it be censorship. I get that Facebook and Twitter have large monopolies, and going elsewhere isn't as effective at spreading information, but it's still possible. Twitter got popular because some people liked it better than Facebook. Instagram got popular because some people liked it better than Twitter. Many young people like Snapchat better than all of the above. Now TikTok has become popular. There's also Reddit. And, there's 4chan and 8chan for the more fringe stuff. It's like some people think they have a right to post whatever they want wherever they want, when that's absolutely not the case. The owner of a restaurant doesn't have to let some Armageddon preacher come in and scream at the customers, and booting them out isn't "censorship". If Facebook is skewing information to the right, maybe people who lean left should just stop using it. If Twitter is skewing to the left, maybe people who lean right should just stop using it. If either want to keep as many consumers as possible, they should probably try to be as objective in their algorithms and fact checking, as possible.
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  11738. FACT: Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11759. ​ @ThePoliticalBulldog Dimwit. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  11807.  @michaelpeyton5730  Sounds like you don't know how C-16 actually works. You probably got your info from lying Peterson. In the US, you can get charged, or sued, for threatening, defaming, verbally harrassing, etc., an individual. However, you can basically say whatever you want about an entire group of people, like promoting that all gays should be killed. That's crazy. All of those laws protecting individuals, plus things like conspiracy to commit, and incitement, are anti-speech laws, even in the US. No country has unlimited free speech. There's no such thing in existence. Never has been. Hate speech laws, in Canada, basically treat that kind of speech, against groups, the same as it applies to individuals. C-16 basically makes it clear, that trans are protected, under those laws. You can't get charged, for accidentally using the wrong pronoun, or anything like that. But, repeatedly using the wrong pronoun, intentionally, can be considered rising to a level of harassment, much like your boss, or teacher, calling you "dickhead" everyday. People can more easily understand that "dickhead" is harassment, but less so that intentionally using the wrong pronoun is. The law clarifies things. That same law, btw, was already in place, at the provincial level, in multiple provinces, for years, including the province JP worked and lived in. And yet, he had zero examples, to support his bullsh*t slippery slope argument. There are still zero examples to support his bullsh*t slippery slope argument. He had been working under that law, for years, so when he made his "alpha" claim, that he'd use whatever pronouns he wanted ... that seemed to coincide with the law, for all those years.
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  11832. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  11840.  @DeborahSch  Anyone who thinks an ethnic cleansing colonialist occupier is democratic, has a warped sense of what democracy is. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11847. ​ @scotchbarrel4429  ​Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11851. ​@RuckFussia Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  11865. ​ @TheInfographicsShow  You literally quoted Huxley ... "Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." ... and then proceeded to ignore that he defined the agnostic position as covering belief. He was a scientist. His agnosticism is the basis of demarcation. No verifiable/falsifiable evidence = suspension of belief. He outright called it "immoral" to believe a claim without evidence. Huxley defined agnosticism, when the definition of "atheism" was athe-ism, the belief gods don't exist. It was 20th century "philosophers" who, while completely admitting they were doing so, pushed for the a-theism redefinition. One of them, George H Smith (not an actual philosopher), was actually an athe-ist (and a cowardly one) who seems to have just wanted to steal agnosticism's no burden of proof. And, to create a distinction between the new a-theism and agnosticism, he also pushed redefining the latter. He did what you did, in this video, quoted Huxley, and then totally butchered what Huxley actually defined. You also seem to have left out a position, at the start ... that of the a-theist who believes no gods exists, but doesn't claim to know. The redefinition of athe-ism to a-theism, has a-theism covering 3 positions, not 2. The a-theism redefinition creates this convoluted mess ... Gnostic theist Agnostic theist Agnostic weak/negative a-theist Agnostic strong/positive a-theist Gnostic strong/positive a-theist A "gnostic" is a knower, and an "ist" is a believer. The "ist" is actually redundant, if you're calling someone a "gnostic". You can replace the suffix. The former athe-ism definition makes things a lot less convoluted ... Theo-gnostic The-ist Agnost-ic Athe-ist Atheo-gnostic If we have a Schrodinger cat experiment, the agnostics would suspend belief, until the box is open. Some other people might believe the cat is alive, alive-ists. Some others may also believe the cat is dead, dead-ists. To group the agnostics together with the dead-ists, as non-aliveists, is nonsensical, since they are also non-deadists.
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  11946.  @lastfirst5154  Shove the delusional bullshit. Her M4A tweet with 70k retweets was before Jimmy's showboating, and reached her millions of followers even without retweets. Even now, while he's "trending" (not actually on any top trending lists), Jimmy can't break 2k retweets. She absolutely annihilates him at the only thing he does. If that's considered fighting, then she's laying waste to the social media battlefield. He's an armchair general, shitting on someone fighting in the trenches, someone who actually moved the M4A agenda ahead by helping get more pro-M4A progressives elected, while Jimmy was whining about Colbert crying, and shit Obama (no longer an actual politician) said. Jimmy doesn't give a crap if anyone has healthcare. He has his. He knew the only thing between the small gains the ACA provided, and the repeated attempts to have it repealed, had been Obama vetoes. He knew conservative judges could be bad for women's health. He still promoted Trump as a better option than Clinton, or Stein (which only helped Trump win). He didn't give a crap if millions of previously uninsured, including those with preexisting conditions lost their healthcare. Again, in 2020, he spent the general election basically running attack ads against Trump's only viable opponent. Jimmy didn't care if the fascist fuck who helped kill thousands of Americans won again, and he fought against the Medicare age being dropped and a public option, with no alternative on the Republican side. He's also ready to start from scratch with another third party, and not get M4A for decades, if ever. He's a poser.
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  11949.  @lastfirst5154  She just used her platform and PAC to get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. That's what what you'll still have to do, even if you get a vote that's guaranteed to fail. She used her platform to do exactly what needed doing. I doubt Jimmy even has 100 new pro-M4A candidates lined up, to replace the ones who will need replacing in the house and senate. When he does, go to her to actually do what needs doing. Dore? Rofl. He peddled the shit that Trump would be better for progressives than Clinton, claimed the moon would fall into Lake Michigan before Trump could fill multiple scotus seats, claimed it would bring about a massive wave of progressives and flip the house, senate, and bring about a 2020 Warren presidency. He peddled the shit that Stein had a chance. Now he's using his platform to peddle the shit that he actually cares if anyone gets healthcare coverage. He did what he could to get Trump elected in 2016. He didn't care that could lead to the repeal of the ACA and millions losing their healthcare coverage. Jimmy, basically, spent the 2020 general election running an anti-Biden campaign, Trump's only viable opponent. During a pandemic, he didn't care if Trump stayed in power and killed more Americans, he didn't care that millions more would get coverage by lowering the social security age to 60. Jimmy is also, once again, promoting a third party. He's willing to start from scratch and maybe win a house seat in a few decades, while Republicans run the show because you've split the vote. Anyone who believes that that guy gives a shit about getting you healthcare coverage anytime soon, is overflowing with the amount of shit they've been shovelled.
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  11962.  @mircogam   Now you're making up fake crap for what he supposedly really means, but never said. No, almost no gangers I've come across know how a VAT actually works, let alone most Americans. No, he outright claims on his VAT page, and in multiple interviews and rallies, that a VAT is a way to make corporations "pay their fair share", not their owners. He had an absolutely ridiculous rally, where he both claimed Google was moving money to its EU headquarters in Ireland to avoid paying taxes, and that a VAT wouldn't let them get away without paying taxes. Ireland has a freaking 23% VAT rate. They obviously don't give a shit about the VAT, because they don't pay it. They're there for Ireland's low corporate tax rate. Plus, what you, a supposed account, aren't seeming to grasp is that, if you make Amazon an extra $60b a year, then you're making Bezos something like an extra $6b a year. He'd have to personally blow through over $60b on goods and services with a VAT to pay in more than you're making him, which would never happen. He could by a new $1b yacht every year, pay $100m in VAT, and still be in the plus $5.9b, from Yang's plan. Meanwhile, yes, there will be some poor people who will get zero economic benefit from the UBI but will still have to pay the VAT on many things. And, it doesn't matter if someone already getting $1000+ in assistance opts in or out. They can't opt out of paying the VAT. They'd be worse off, having to pay 10% more on numerous things. No, a business doesn't need to absorb part of the VAT, if it doesn't want to. Only the smallest of businesses aren't required to register for the VAT, which aren't competition. Or, the business is in a VAT exempt or zero rated sector, and also isn't competition. These giant tech companies are already operating in countries with a VAT. They don't absorb shit. When the EU switched from seller's VAT rate to buyer's VAT rate, they started charging the buyer's full VAT rate. Yang is skipping many of the things other countries do to make corporations and the rich pay in. The UK has higher marginal income tax rates, a higher minimum wage, double the union participation to negotiate better wages for workers, a stamp tax, etc. Scandinavian countries have ridiculously high union participation, so high they don't even need the government involved in setting minimum wages, higher marginal tax rates than the UK, paid parental leave, more paid vacation days, Norway owns a 60+% share in their oil production, Sweden has businesses pay into a retraining program with an 80+% success rate, etc. They also have about double the percentage of the population working decently paid government jobs, than the US doea. Then those countries tax their better paid, higher standard of living, consumers with a VAT. A VAT doesn't make corporations pay in. If you think Bezos only being able to recover half the VAT on his cell phone, because he uses it half the time for personal calls, is him "paying his fair share", then you're an idiot.
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  11973.  FreePalestineFromPalestinians  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  12017. ​Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12063.  @ranzilberman  I'm not the one arguing a people didn't exist, racist. We're all homo sapiens, from Africa ... therefore it's okay to "go back" to Africa and take it all, that it's impossible to colonize Africa? That's equivalent to what a moronic 1700 year old "right of return" is based on. Oh, but you don't want it belonging to the Romans, so it's actually a "return" to some 3000 year old nation, that only existed for 500 years out of thousands of years of history. Are we going to "return" everyone to thay specific ancient 500 year span of time? I, in no way, argued that it would be reasonable for me to round up 6 million people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "go back", claim half of England, and cleanse "our" half of its current inhabitants. I think that's an absolutely ridiculous notion. Canaan was a collection of city states, and not a nation. Egypt was the first nation to rule over Canaan. If you want to moronically return to some kind of "origin" nation, why not let the actual original ruling nation have it? Here's your history lesson, racist ...  c. 450 BCE, Herodotus: "From there they marched against Egypt: and when they were in the part of Syria called Palestine, Psammetichus king of Egypt met them and persuaded them with gifts and prayers to come no further." "But I myself saw them in the Palestine district of Syria, with the aforesaid writing and the women's private parts on them." "in this province was all Phoenicia, and the part of Syria called Palestine, and Cyprus." "These Phoenicians formerly dwelt, as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria. This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine." c. 340 BCE, Aristotle: "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said." Both well before the Romans.
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  12064.  @ranzilberman  The ancient history argument is nonsensical and irrelevant. Returning the world to 3000 BCE is insane. By every relevant measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12118.  @Emjaemidd  Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, ffs, and have a close genetic relationship to Jews. There was most definitely a land of Philistia, comprising 5 city states, around the same time as the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea. Israel was wiped out by the Assyrians, and Judea and Philistia were conquered by the Babylonians. Even the more modern version of the word has been around for centuries. "c. 450 BCE: Herodotus, The Histories[57], First historical reference clearly denoting a wider region than biblical Philistia, referring to a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê"[58][11][59]" Doesn't matter if there's a country. Someone from Michigan is a Michigander. Someone from Detroit is a Detroiter. Was there a Palestine political district? Yes. People from that would be Palestinians. "c. 1000: Suda encyclopedic lexicon: "Παλαιστίνη: ὄνομα χώρας. καὶ Παλαιστι̂νος, ὁ ἀπὸ Παλαιστίνης." / "Palestine: Name of a territory. Also [sc. attested is] Palestinian, a man from Palestine.[205]" "1177: John Phocas, A Brief Description of the Castles and Cities, from the City of Antioch even unto Jerusalem; also of Syria and Phoenicia, and of the Holy Places in Palestine[213][214]" "c. 1350: Guidebook to Palestine (a manuscript primarily based on the 1285–1291 account of Christian pilgrim Philippus Brusserius Savonensis): "It [Jerusalem] is built on a high mountain, with hills on every side, in that part of Syria which is called Judaea and Palestine, flowing with milk and honey, abounding in corn, wine, and oil, and all temporal goods"[221]" "1560: Geneva Bible, the first mass-produced English-language Bible, translates the Hebrew פלשת Pleshet as "Palestina" (e.g. Ex. 15:14; Isa. 14:29, 31) and "Palestina"[233]" "1563: Josse van Lom, physician of Philip II of Spain: A treatise of continual fevers: "Therefore the Scots, English, Livonians, Danes, Poles, Dutch and Germans, ought to take less blood away in winter than in summer; on the contrary, the Portuguese, Moors, Egyptians, Palestinians, Arabians, and Persians, more in the winter than in summer"[236]" "1779: George Sale, Ancient Part of Universal History: "How Judæa came to be called also Phœnice, or Phœnicia, we have already shewn in the history of that nation. At present, the name of Palestine is that which has most prevailed among the Christian doctors, Mahommedan and other writers. (See Reland Palestin. illustrat.)"[305]" "1841: John Kitto, Palestine: the Physical Geography and Natural History of the Holy Land, Illustrated with Woodcuts.[351][352]" "1897: First Zionist Congress: the Basel program sets out the goals of the Zionist movement: "Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine"" "1902: Salim Qub‘ayn and Najib Nassar, "A Palestinian describes Palestinian towns."[390][398]" "1915: VIII Corps (Ottoman Empire), Filastin Risalesi ("Palestine Document"), an Ottoman army country survey which formally identified Palestine as including the sanjaqs of Akka (the Galilee), the Sanjaq of Nablus, and the Sanjaq of Jerusalem (Kudus Sherif).[407][408]" "1918: House of Commons of the United Kingdom: Minutes: "Major Earl Winterton asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what facilities have been given to the Palestinian and Syrian political leaders now in Egypt to visit Palestine?"[410] An early use of the word Palestinian in British politics, which was used often in following years in the British government[411]" You'd have to be a complete and utter moron, to actually believe that Palestine or Palestinians didn't exist.
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  12170.  @WanderingIdiot81  Man, you're dishonest. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives. She has always been friends with, and supported, Cori. The issue with that primary was politics, and the fact that Clay had signed onto the Green New Deal, so she didn't give her official endorsement and donation to Cori until the general. I get that Dore knobs don't care about burning bridges, but if Clay had won, AOC would still want that GND vote. In what reality do you think Manchin, and the other dipshit senators, would change their minds? If the senate and house disagree, then the bill goes to house-senate negotiation. Manchin could have offered concessions, and lowered the minimum to $10 (as some Republicans had proposed), to pick up enough Republican votes to ignore the squad. Where can the squad get extra votes from, if they lose Manchin's vote? There is the entire Republican party for Manchin to try and draw extra votes from, to the right of the party. There are zero extra votes to the left of the party. They don't have anywhere close to the same amount of power and leverage. Because corporate Dems outright running against M4A isn't enough? Them not signing onto the bill isn't enough? Again, FTVers proved they're pathetic useless hypocrites. They've already shown that they don't actually value getting a vote and getting a list of no voters. FTV was a complete sham. Progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. Not sure what other squad members asked for, but Pelosi did give AOC a shot at that committee seat she wanted. Those who voted, stabbed her in the front exactly because she had fought them and backed progressives against them in the primaries. Dore knobs then stab her in the back, falsely claiming she isn't fighting, even lying that she didn't back progressives in the primaries. She, and Bernie, were just backing Nina, campaigning for her, promoting M4A while they were at it, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Meanwhile, Dore abandoned Nina and abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, and then slandered AOC and Bernie, claiming they were the ones who abandoned M4A. He's a dishonest grifter.
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  12181. ​ @Bobsbusters  Israel is the Nazis, dumb dumb. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12194.  @j___9594  Empirical evidence is objective, and we go through day to day life trusting our senses, but senses can be flawed, tricked from the wrong perspective, or some sich. That's why we rely on consensus. Not because number of believers equates to truth, but because numbers making the same objective empirical observations decreases the chance of error. If I observe an item on a table to be a flower, and dozens of other people observe it to be a stone, then odds are I'm hallucinating, the light is reflecting in a weird way from my perspective, or something of the sort, and the truth is that there's a rock on the table. Allowing every individual to have their own truth, their own knowledge, would mean it's true the item is both a rock and a flower, which makes no sense. You'd have to accept every individual claim of a religious experience, seeing a ghost, or being abducted by aliens, as "knowing" gods, ghosts, or aliens, exist, it being "true" they exist, if justification is not required for actual "knowledge" or "truth". Not only would you allow for an individual's flawed observations to be "truth" or "knowledge", but you'd also have to allow for unjustified subjective beliefs to be, as well. Someone could declare they "know" anything, claim anything to be "true", and you're not requiring them to show any justification. Numerous people are simply taught to accept unjustified subjective beliefs as being "true". They don't even necessarily have a claimed personal experience, but still declare they "know", still declare what they believe is "true". Now all the religious people's conflicting claims can't all be true, if there's a single truth, but if you allow that each individual can have their own truth, then they can all be true. That's not logical. Reasoning should tell us that there isn't "my truth" and "your truth", that there's only "the truth".
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  12199.  @klauskinski5969  No. Dore shows her saying one thing, claims she said something else, and morons lap it up. Show me a single speech, or video, where AOC ever ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. Votes on bills are not samesies as impeachment votes, ffs. Every new session of congress, you already get a new list of names of members of congress who won't sign on to the M4A bill. There was already a list of names of those who wouldn't sign onto the bill, during a pandemic. Pelosi actually introduced the M4A bill, last session. The parliamentarian sent it to committees. You also have a list of names of committee members who let the bill die, during a pandemic. The bill has been reintroduced, this session, and is again sitting in committees. You've got a list of names of committee members who are currently sitting on the bill, that you could be harrassing to take the bill up. Instead, you lot just keep slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters. How has letting Republicans win, again, and again, instead of keeping them out of power, benefitted anyone who isn't rich? Now you're slandering this, and other channels. The idea is stick to trying to take over the party. The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems, in just 4 years. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, and helped add a few more to congress, in just 2 years. Dore promotes a route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, hasn't won the most popular progressive third party a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. He promotes a fantasy, that the third party route would be quicker, and also promotes the fantasy that some third party will only ever produce perfectly perfect incorruptible puritan progressives, when we have former Green candidate, Kyrsten Sinema, as evidence that's not true. The cycle has been to give up on Dems and let Republicans win, over and over. It's moronic. Treat the primaries as the major progressive battlefield, but still vote in the general to never have Republicans in power again, even if you lose the primaries. You would have wanted Clinton or Biden voters to turn around and vote Bernie, vote blue no matter who, if he had won the primaries, right? Or would you have wanted to see Bernie lose in the generals, and see Trump win, like a "true" progressive?
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  12201.  Michael Thomas  Government bureaucracy? Rofl. No, your increased administrative costs, are caused by having so many different private insurers, different kinds of plans, and different ways of filling out forms. Every other developed country has lower administrative costs. You seem to be clueless about this topic. Bullshit. Everyone knows it's not completely "free", just that it's free at point of use. Just like an infrastructure bill is paid for with taxes, but you don't pay to drive down the road or across a bridge. Your health care system is bankrupting people. Your system is sending over a million people a year to get surgeries in super cheap places, like India. You get subpar results for extremely high costs. That is a completely moronic system. Straight up dumb. It is quite reasonable to come up with a new way of doing things, and it's not demagoguery to do so. That's stupid. Not sure what you're not understanding. You were having negative migration flow, with Mexico. That means more Mexicans were going back than were coming in, stupid. There was no crisis. Plus, Texas found that undocumented immigrants added more to state revenue than they cost. You realize they pay property taxes, where they live ... they pay sales taxes, where they shop ... and that the majority fill out yearly income tax. They are paying into services, like Medicare and social security, which they can't benefit from. A wall will not fix that bigots are clueless and stupid ... and, yes, your moron president promised Mexico would pay for it. That is really promising something free, if another country is going to pay for it ... which it didn't ... and won't. That is your actual demagogue and chief.
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  12203. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  12213. ​ @joeshmoe4671  You're right, a lot of the world are morons, and/or complicit. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12285.  @63rambler66  So grandpa went from fighting Nazis to living with Nazis? Zionists are colonizers, ethnic cleansers, and occupiers, operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. They are Nazis. Those Zionists definitely did "cry like babies" about what Russia and Germany did to them, and used it as grounds to do those same things to Palestinians. They also did resort to terrorism, massacres, assassinations, and rape. Likud was founded by the leaders of the Irgun (bombed Palestinian markets, murdering men, women, and children, also bombed the King David Hotel) and Lehi (considered worse than Irgun, even tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain). Those terrorists were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected those terrorist leaders as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Palestinians have Canaanite DNA dimwit. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. All, or part, of the region has been called some variation of Palestine by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks (Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be "in Palestine"), Western Romans, Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims, Christian crusaders, Ottomans, British, and even the first Zionist congress, who wanted to create a home "in Palestine". And, there was a handful of documentation of the people being called Palestinians, during those previous times, as well (I don't use my provincial identifier as much as my national one, but for someone to claim I don't have one, would be moronic). What else would you call an inhabitant of Palestine? That's what the British were calling them, during the mandate. You're a complete and utter moron.
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  12306. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  12318.  @Lisa-pl6gv  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12353.  @wjumeau  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12379. To actually get Pelosi out, or prevent someone worse being picked, you'd need the majority of votes in the Dem caucus. Blocking her at the house vote just paralyzes the house. It then goes back to Dem caucus, where they can keep picking Pelosi as their speaker choice over and over and over, or someone worse. How long do progressives paralyze the house as they get blamed for no new covid relief, no minimum wage hike, no Medicare age reduction, no student debt relief, or whatever else they can use to make progressives look bad in the eyes of the people? If Dore is right, that corporate Dems would rather work with Republicans than progressives, that's actually an argument against his tactic, not for it. Corporate Dems could work a deal with Republicans to dodge paralyzing the house. Pelosi could quietly agree to a Republican request in exchange for having enough Republicans play sick, or abstain, lowering the threshold needed for her to win. None of the movements you mentioned included threatening to paralyze the house. AOC just did exactly what needs doing, used her platform and PAC to help get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress, going against DCCC backed corporate Dems. Exactly the thing that would still need doing after the vote fails by almost 100 votes (it only has 124 people signed on, and would need 218 to pass a full house vote, so not sure where you're getting 30 from). If you, or Jimmy, have 100 (or even 30) new pro-M4A candidates in your back pockets, why didn't you run them in the election that just happened? I'm sure AOC would have done what she could to help them get elected too. Or are these 100 new candidates going to magically appear after a failed vote? It only took a single question, to get Biden to say he'd veto M4A. It doesn't seem that hard to get a politician to publicly say they're opposed to M4A without having to threaten to paralyze the house.
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  12400. ​ @danielarista1352  Israel is objectively the aggressor, btw, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12505.  @luciferkotsutempchannel  A "grifter", like a snake oil salesman, says they're selling you one thing, but what you actually get is something completely useless, or even harmful. Dore sells himself to idiots as the one true champion of healthcare. But, in reality, he promoted Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion); peddled Tulsi (public option ... no not the Australian model, which was a lie) over Bernie (M4A); he used a pointless performance art vote to slander progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime; he publicly abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate and yes vote to congress; and, he peddles yet another third party, when the third party route hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. What grifter Dore has actually been selling is the less benefitial healthcare option, the slowest possible way to ever get M4A, and even going completely backwards on healthcare. He sells himself as pro vaccine. But, in reality, he peddles vaccine misinformation, leaving out every single positive vaccine sentence in multiple articles; he outright lies that a vaccine doesn't protect anyone else, and slanders those who say otherwise; he outright lies about what articles say; he peddles unproven covid remedies, like ivermectin, even peddling the most extreme misinformation, that ivermectin is an effective preventative. What grifter Dore actually promotes is vaccine hesitancy and not needing a vaccine. Dore sells himself as anti-war. But, he peddled Tulsi "I'm a hawk" Gabbard; after Trump dropped more bombs than Obama, Dore didn't seem to care, and spent the general running constant attack ads against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, Biden; he whined like right wing bitches about Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan; he has no interest in Biden reducing drone strikes; and he constantly bitches and whines about a UN report that had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria, instead of constantly attacking the person who bombed Syria, Trump. What grifter Dore is actually selling is more bombing, criticism of ending war, and indifference to less bombing. Dore portrays continuing to support Dems as the definition of insanity. But, in reality voters haven't continued to support Dems and kept Republicans out of power. What voters have done is repeatedly given up on Dems, let Republicans who repeatedly move further right win, and then the corporate Dems meet the Republicans in the new "middle", because that's where they think more votes lie. It is actually Dore that has repeatedly proposed giving up on Dems and letting Republicans win, which is the exact cycle the country has been in, for decades. He is the insane one, by the very definition of doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result. Dore sells himself as a supporter of free speech. But, he peddles the right wing narrative that private "leftist" corporations are taking away your free speech rights, when the fact is you don't have free speech rights on someone else's private property, and never did; he doesn't point this out and doesn't promote public ownership, which would give you free speech rights; he has censored his own guest, for saying Sam Sender's name; and he didn't point out to his good buddy, white nationalist, Tucker Carlson, that incitement and defamation aren't even protected speech, nope he just agreed with Tucker's right wing takes. All of this increasing his right wing audience and makes him more money.
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  12517. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12526.  @hwajuhwarang    I'd suggest this because it's exactly not who the candidate is claiming will pay the tax, meaning they're either clueless or lying, neither of which is a good attribute for running a country. If lying, it's the same "humanity first" candidate who originally didn't have UBI stack with anything. On his own, he thought it was a good idea to toss the elderly off social security, veterans off VA benefits, and disabled people off SSDI, until he got negative feedback. Even now, he still thinks it's a good idea to make disabled people on SSI have to choose. I'd suggest this, because massive inequality and automation are huge problems, so why would speeding up either, and likely both, be a good thing? The top 3000 US corporations are already hoarding $2.7t. If you're going to have a UBI, that should be what pays for it. You shouldn't be increasing the hoard at an even faster rate. While the plan makes Bezos extra billions a year, there are millions of disabled people collecting SSI and SNAP who will get zero economic benefit from the UBI. Even if they do opt out of the UBI, they can't opt out of the VAT, and will be worse off. That's fucked up. Where are you getting free counseling from? While his end healthcare goal might be universal coverage, his transition to that is a public option, which isn't taxpayer funded, at all. A public option creates a public insurance that then competes with private insurance, paid for with a premium, and you have the option of not signing up, and not paying, for it. LA tried that, in hopes it would lead to universal coverage, and 6 years in they're nowhere close. Everyone with marriage problems will be long divorced before universal coverage happens, if it ever does, using that method. Odd headline? His VAT page, what he says about his key tax, is mostly bullshit.
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  12542.  @SMP1993  So you're expanding the issue from not just one person, and not even the original 4 person squad, or the new 7 person squad, but beyond the squad to some 14 persons. That the progressive caucus could have done something, or 14 of them could do something, is a different argument than the squad, or AOC, being able to do much of anything. The progressive caucus definitely screwed up, and the squad called out those who voted for the bill. Just so we're clear ... some Dems actually do want to pass some things, including Biden? It's not like they don't care if nothing passes? Because, calling bills "must pass" entirely rests on the premise they actually want to accomplish something, unlike the majority of Republicans who just want to tank everything. Dore knobs often then turn around and make out like corporate Dems and Republicans are samesies, which makes the "must pass" argument incoherent. So, you think that if there was a 14 person squad, and they could threaten to block the bill, then Biden would get involved and pressure Manchin? So, does Manchin care if the bill tanks, or no? If not, why would he care what Biden says? If yes, what makes you think he'd move left, instead of simply making some other concessions to Republicans, to get a few more of them on board, for "bipartisanship"? His entire argument was that he didn't want a bill that had only Democrat support. Why would he suddenly move in a direction that would lose him his Republican friends' votes? Then you'd have to increase your squad numbers even more, and I still don't understand why you think Manchin wouldn't just amend the bill even further right. If Pelosi, or the DNC, are getting AOC to campaign for Nina, and getting her to help get Cori, Bowman, and Mondaire, get elected, then maybe they aren't so bad. Or, maybe, just maybe, she isn't doing their bidding, and they are pretty bad.
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  12555. Then they're Nazi apologists. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  12585. ​ @dennis3351  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12627.  @josephvargas7806  It did not lead to civil unrest. You're inventing "history". There was only a few weeks between one session ending and it being reintroduced at the beginning of the next session. There was no civil unrest in those few weeks. Civil unrest was during the summer before, and the summer after. Women's suffrage had 3 votes in congress. Maybe you're thinking of some state level voting, because a number of states had already included women's voting rights, because it had become so popular, by the time it got to congress, after decades of women's activism. Some failed vote didn't spark activism, activism led to the voting. It was also a constitutional amendment, requiring a super majority, and 3/4 of states to ratify it, at a time when voting didn't go down party lines (like during the Civil Rights Act, a higher percentage of the Republican party voted in favor, than the Democratic party, because politics wasn't samesies as today). The first was a vote to see who did and didn't support it. You already know which Democrats sign onto M4A, and with today's party partisanship know that no Republicans will magically up and vote for it. The nineteenth was, literally, held back for a second vote, until they thought they did have the numbers. They, literally, saw no point in having a guaranteed to fail vote. When they thought they had the numbers, they brought it up for the second vote. It won a supermajority in the house, and only lost the supermajority in the senate by 2 votes. Not quite the same as a bill that is 100+ votes short in the house, alone, and won't even see a senate vote.
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  12631.  @josephvargas7806  There's a clear list of those who won't even sign onto the bill. It's 100+ votes short in the house alone. Trying to ferret out a few fakers is pointless, if you don't even have an extra 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates laying around to replace enough of the ones that are openly opposed to it. Any fakers could simply vote for it, knowing full well it wasn't going to pass. You need to get the bill to the point of having the potential to pass, to ferret out fakers. The left end of the party doesn't have the same power to play hardball, as the right side of the party. There are zero extra out of party votes in the neighborhood of, or to the left of, the most progressive Dems. There is the entire Republican party, with members who vote similarly to Manchin, or are to the right of him. If progressives had say refused to revote on the $15 minimum, the bill would have gone to house-senate negotiations. If Manchin could bring enough Republicans on board to pass a $10 or $11 minimum wage, without progressives, then he'd win the negotiations, and minimum wage likely wouldn't be dealt with again until 2025. Even the broader progressive caucus is still 10-15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. They still don't have the numbers to pick a different party speaker candidate. If they blocked the party's pick at the house speaker vote, the party could keep picking the same candidate over and over and over. There's no real power to replace Pelosi with someone more progressive, while the right side of the party does have the numbers to replace her with someone even worse. There's some serious overestimating as to how much power progressives actually have in congress.
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  12645. ​ @fredflintstone6729  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12737. ​ @TheRedStateBlue  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12745. ​ @ProudPatriot-t8x  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12793.  @ultimosoneto674  Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  12797.  @gmeister3022  It is pretty much only a religious conflict, from the Zionist side. There was absolutely no basis, for sticking people from Europe and Russia, there, except some fairytale claim of "god given" land. Palestinians are reacting like pretty much all natives react to colonialism. Zionist terrorist groups, Irgun and Lehi, targeted Palestinian Jews alongside their Palestinian brothers and sisters, because they didn't support colonialist Zionsim. You don't get to use people you murdered, as some ridiculous 1709 year old place holder. Plus, Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, dumb dumb. They are also likely the Jews of old, who simply converted and were Arabized (like Hispanic Native Americans). Me rounding up people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "going back", claiming half the country, and cleansing "our" half of its current inhabitants, would be a ridiculous notion. It would still be colonialism, if we had a superpower backer, to help force it on the current inhabitants. And, me, having some distant cousin living there, doesn't make it any less ridiculous. Jews lived amongst Muslims for 1300 years, with few incidents. They had a Jewish "Golden Age". They were given refuge, when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. The Ottomans even okayed the earliest form of Zionsim, which was closer to immigration than colonization. This whole thing is about the Balfour declaration, and Zionsim converting to colonialism. Native Americans reached a point where they wanted to push the white man back into the sea. It wasn't simply because they were white, dimwit.
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  12831. People think she is smart? Most violent crimes surround personal relationships, and surprise, surprise, most personal relationships are same race relationships. Hard to stop friendships/relationships going bad. Who should we protest about that ... just protest against relationships in general? Sure, there are also stranger on stranger crimes. But, these are already considered crimes. Police are out looking for a suspect to arrest. Police probably won't hesitate to shoot that suspect if they resist. So, where and what are you supposed to protest? The local gang hideout? Shout at them to behave themselves? If criminals would just listen to reason and quit, we wouldn't have any crime. It is beyond stupid to suggest protesting criminals. Do police tend to go to whatever lengths it takes to bring their own to justice? No. They tend to protect their own, and so do the courts. The rate at which they're charged and convicted of similar crimes to other members of society is far less. Plenty of police departments have been found to use racial profiling, and excessive force. Now, a broken justice system is something you can protest. People whose salaries the public pays with taxes, to protect them, who then mistreat innocent members of the public .... that's something tax payers have every right to protest. If people you're paying are misbehaving, it's your duty and responsibility to get them to behave themselves, or get them out. Numerous agencies, across the world, have been recording increases in far right extremism, hate crimes, and terrorism. Ridiculing facts doesn't make them go away. That you don't care is quite obvious.
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  12839. ​ @tonywilson4713  I suggest you instead see his first video on Israel-Palestine, after Oct 7, in which he threw anyone wanting to provide context under the bus with people outright cheering the attack. He didn't want anyone explaining anything Israel had done, prior to Oct 7, but then went on to explain what Israel would do, in turn, as if they were the defender, just like Piers Morgan. The only things I've really seen him criticize is turning off electricity, and bombing one refugee camp. His peace plan is very adamant about needing to remove Hamas, but not nearly as adamant about needing to remove Likud. Likud's "between the sea and the Jordan" platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  12875.  @MichaelAChristian1  Are you stupid in real life, or do you just play stupid on the interwebs? The evidence is that states with a majority racist white population switched parties, is that they clearly started voting for a different party. And yet there's zero evidence to support claiming they went from being the most racist voting block to being the least racist voting block. 1964 Civil Rights Act: House Republicans in Florida all voted nay, in Kentucky they all voted nay, in Missouri they were split, in N Carolina they all voted nay, in Tennessee they all voted nay, in Texas they all voted nay, in Virginia they all voted nay, ... 1968 Civil Rights Act: House Republicans in Alabama all voted nay, in Arizona they all voted nay, the one in Arkansas voted nay, in Florida they all voted nay, in Georgia they all voted nay, every nay vote in California was Republican, every nay vote in Indiana was Republican, every nay vote in Iowa was Republican, in Idaho they all voted nay, in Missouri they all voted nay, in N Carolina they all voted nay, in Ohio every nay vote was Republican, in S Carolina the Republican voted nay, in Tennessee they all voted nay, in Virginia they all voted nay, ... There's zero evidence the Republicans they started voting for, in more racist places, were less racist. There's tons of evidence they simply voted for a racist in a different party. There's tons of evidence that party tried to appeal to those voters (not try and get Democrat politicians to switch sides). There's tons of evidence that millions of black Americans migrated to less racist states and black Americans across the nation switched to voting for Democrats. You probably worship a being who, if they existed, "murders" the majority of "babies". You probably don't give a crap that tons of fertilized eggs are destroyed, used for science, or don't take, during the IVF process. You probably don't give a crap that scientists can now create an embryo from a sperm, without an egg, making every living sperm a potential human life. You probably also don't give a crap what happens to actual birthed babies. You anti-abortionists are some of the biggest bullshitting hypocrites going.
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  12992.  @moshebuchachevsky5650  You're not very bright. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  12996. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13039. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  13042.  @adamronengorlovitzki3350  Zionists colonized Palestine. Zionist terrorists, Irgun and Lehi, massacred Palestinian civilians. Partition was forced on the Palestinian majority, against their will. Even after partition, the non-Jewish population, of the colonialist Zionist portion, was over 100k more than the Jewish population. Zionists ethnically cleansed about 700k of them, and never let them return. To believe that Zionists had zero intention to ethnically cleanse them would require believing that they had zero intention to create a Jewish state, which is ridiculous. Those terrorists were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies, when Zionists did declare their ethno-state. The leaders of those terrorist groups founded Likud. Israelis elected those terrorist leaders as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq. Netanyahu has proven he intends to keep that promise. All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by every relevant international body. Likud continues to use the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank ... Move settlers into native territories, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, the poor "innocent" colonialist settlers cry about being attacked by "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel operates an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, then bombs the hell out of it, when there's an uprising. With partition forced on the majority, ethnic cleansing of Israel's actual non-Jewish majority, and the fact that Israel, the occupier, has actual authority over all Palestine territories and the Palestinians within, but doesn't let them vote for their occupying party ... Israel is actually about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Yes, Israel is a fascist state.
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  13053. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13100. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13216. ​ @marca7542  ​Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13248. By every measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything. Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through.
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  13303. ​ @Adam-wi5bh  Like I said ... Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13309. ​ @JonathanRootD  By every measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13310. ​ @damnedseagull6194  I know. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  13312. ​ @AnjaliD-nb7cr  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13357.  @jimbledsoe9083  You mean the very VAT systems Yang keeps pointing at? Why yes it is a guide for those VAT systems. Can you show me a VAT system that doesn't credit back input VAT? "The GST takes into account the cost of inputs – the factors used in manufacturing or production – at each stage of the process to avoid double taxation. Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption." http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt) "When you buy supplies for your business, you'll be charged 10% in GST which you can claim back as a credit. At the end of each GST period – usually quarterly but occasionally monthly - you need to account for the GST you've collected on your sales minus any that you've paid (the credits) on your purchases. The difference is the amount payable (or refundable if credits on purchases exceed debits on sales)." https://www.hrblock.com.au/tax-tips/beginners-guide-to-gst "But the amount of Consumption tax paid will be compensated with the amount of the Consumption tax collected. Companies collecting Consumption tax in their business activities must file returns and pay only the difference between the amount received and the amount paid during the taxable period." https://www.eu-japan.eu/taxes-accounting/consumption-taxes
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  13361.  @albertfj  Because the main tax he's pushing doesn't actually tax corporations. Handing consumers trillions, will make a company like Amazon tens of billions extra a year, which will make Bezos billions extra a year. He'll get more out of the Yang plan than he'll pay in. Other developed countries with a VAT have corporations pay in with higher wages, through higher minimum wages or high unionization, and through other methods, first. Then the VAT taxes the better paid consumers. Yang doesn't really have them paying in. He complains about tax loopholes, but doesn't have a plan to even attempt to fix loopholes. If those at the very top get more out of the Yang plan than they pay in, then that money is coming from somewhere. That will be some poor people, who won't get more than they're currently getting so the VAT will just be a negative ... they'll pay in more than they get out. It will be the upper middle class and lower end rich, with high but fairly fixed salaries that won't jump with sales or stocks increasing, like doctors or lawyers ... they'll pay in more than they get out. It will be the many administrators of current government services, who Yang will ironically automate out of their jobs ... they'll pay in more than they get out. Sure, in a vacuum they'd be worse off without $12k a year. But, in an alternate plan, someone automated out could get 5 years salary and free college to learn something new, and/or a guaranteed new job. If you're automated out with Yang, you've got 26 weeks of unemployment plus $1000 a month. Then it's just the $1000 a month, if you haven't found a new job.
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  13368. I think you're looking for the morons who are both anti-Israel and anti-Ukraine, because they're simply anti-USA. This is a both anti-Russian colonialism, and anti-Israeli colonialism channel. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13378. People need to stop being afraid of the word "socialism", including you, David. A "social democracy" is a very mixed (capitalism/socialism) economy. If 100% of the economic sectors were publicly owned and operated, that would be 100% socialism. If 100% of the economic sectors were privately owned and operated, that would be 100% capitalism. Centrist countries are a fairly even mix of the two. If you're going to pretend they aren't, at all, socialist, simply because it's not 100% socialism, then you shouldn't be pretending they're capitalist, either. The public owning a 60% share in Norway's oil company means it's 60% socialized, a more socialist than capitalist company. Many countries have a mostly socialized health insurance industry, making that industry almost completely socialist. The UK has an even more socialized healthcare sector, much like the VA, which is even more socialist than capitalist. Yes, the public owning, operating, and maintaining roads, is socialistic. The public owning and operating schools is socialistic. The public owning and operating emergency services is socialistic. Some sectors, however, are tied to whether a country is more, or less, authoritarian, more so than they are tied to whether it's capitalist or socialist. While the VA's medical care can be considered socialist, the authority side of the military isn't. Even extreme right Ayn Rand types, would keep the military, law enforcement, and the courts. They just want those things to protect their self interests, though. Authoritarian capitalists (fascists) use those things to make themselves even more money, and expand their interests. And they are no longer truly publicly owned and operated if they're serving an oligarchy, rather than the actual public at large ... sometimes even working against the public at large. The only purely capitalist countries left in the world are the ones still owned and operated by absolute monarchs, like Saudi.
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  13384.  @calebarmstrong5621  Rofl. You'd have to believe that the vast majority of minority voters, and the vast majority of minority politicians, are complete and utter morons, that have zero clue which is the more racist party. You clearly don't think the vast majority of minorities can discern which is the more racist party. That's pretty racist. Hint: there are red states still celebrating Confederate memorial days; there are red states still flying symbols of a willingness to kill and be killed for the "right" to own and abuse other human beings; one party is fighting to be able to worship their favorite racists at their memorial statues; Confederates and Nazis hold "unite the right" rallies, not unite the left rallies; one party still fights to let businesses to discriminate against whomever they want; even though it takes 5-6 generations, on average, to change economic classes in America, and it has only been a few generations since segregation and an almost 60% poverty rate for black Americans, Republicans still want to do as little as possible to try and help lift people out of poverty; slavery ended with leaving millions of black Americans completely destitute, with zero compensation for centuries of labor, and Republicans won't even sign on to simply explore the possibility of reparations; Republicans keep backing a clearly unjust justice system and abusive police; Republicans have hardly any minority representatives; Republicans are trying to downplay racism in history; Republicans are going on a tirade against a university law course, banning it from public schools, when it isn't even taught in public schools ... Seriously, the list goes on. What kind of crack are you smoking, to think that list represents the less racist party?
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  13427. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13450. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13488. Part of the problem, which seems to be more of a US thing, is American right wingers portraying fascism as leftist. So, if you just follow the capitalists, you won't ever get an oppressive government ... and people blindly follow them into an oppressive government. It goes hand in hand with things like FOX pretending they don't belong to one of the largest MSM corporations in the world, and their viewers thinking they're anti-MSM. Then they rail against the majority of MSM sources, while listening to a single MSM source, and claim their opponents are brainwashed by MSM. Or, like Trump pretending like he wasn't the government, while holding the most powerful position in government, and his cultists being fine with him, the government, firing, or threatening to fire, federal employees that said things he didn't like. That's the government punishing people for what they say. Meanwhile, they complain about private companies making their own choices, and screaming like it's a violation of free speech. Or, like when they make out that they're the ones who are most like the founders, and defending freedom. But, the founders protested, rioted, and even went to war, over taxes that specifically funded the police/military and a lack of representation ... which is anti-authoritarianism ... while their opponents fought against democracy to keep an unelected ruler in power ... which is authoritarianism. It's BLM that's more like the founders, and Capitol insurrectionists who are more like the Loyalists. They believe the complete opposite of reality, and head directly into what they think they're moving away from.
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  13515.  @jakeroper1096  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13553.  @tn2378  Campbell was wrong to state that UK numbers could indicate what was going on in other countries. The US excess mortality is higher than the covid deaths. If you're going to take it at face value, like that, then the US is undercounting covid deaths. But, you can't really take excess mortality at face value. You have to calculate all the pluses and minuses for other causes of death, to find out if the covid deaths are over, or under, counted. All the mask wearing, etc., could have reduced deaths, due to other viruses. The lockdowns could have reduced deaths due to work related accidents. That second number, is the official number, used by the government and media. It's deaths with covid listed as the cause. Unless, you go through and do the excess mortality calculations, nothing really refutes this number. There's nothing incompatible with the first and second numbers, unless you really breakdown the excess mortality and show that they are. Campbell also misrepresented the third number. It said, on the paper, "with covid", not that covid "contributed" to the death. The other video, that Matt mentions, shows how a cause of death report is filled out. Putting covid in the bottom section doesn't mean covid "contributed" to the death, just that they had covid. Putting covid in the top section means covid was considered to have contributed to the death (which is the second number). The difference between the second and third number means some 20k people, that had covid, died of other things, and the covid wasn't listed as contributing to the death. There's nothing incompatible with the second and third numbers. And, Campbell making out like the government and media haven't been reporting that comorbidities increase your odds of dying, all along, was pure bullshit.
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  13557. ​ @skontheroad  Would being in Israel, somehow change the fact that the Balfour declaration converted immigration Zionism into colonialist Zionsim? Change the fact that Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, in his 1923 The Iron Wall? Change the fact that followers of Ze'ev formed the Irgun and Lehi terrorist groups? Change that they bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, including Palestinian Jews who didn't support colonialist Zionsim? Change that the Lehi tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain? Change that they fought against the British all through WWII? Change that they assassinated British diplomats and bombed the King David Hotel? Change that they were involved in multiple massacres, during the Nakba? Change that Israel merged those terrorists into their military and intelligence agencies? Change that the leaders of those terrorist groups founded Likud, or that Israelis elected both terrorist leaders as PMs? Change that Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes"? Change that Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories? Change that all Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, and the UN SC, making them responsible for all occupied territories, as the actual authority over those places and people? Change the fact that they've been illegally colonizing the West Bank for decades? Change the fact that they're operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza? Change that they have as much "right to defend themselves" as Nazis had a "right to defend themselves" from the Warsaw ghetto uprising? How would being in Israel, change any of that?
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  13577. ​ @KrazyManuel  The world wasn't created on Oct 7. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13578.  @youtube.censor.not.reacting  Point out where ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13690.  @itsmeagain1828  What a load of rubbish. Your last sentence is pure irony. Health & safety isn't right or left. Seatbelt laws, speeding laws, drinking and driving laws, don't equate to "communism", any more than distancing and mask wearing do. You're arguing incompetence is right wing. The WHO never argued it wasn't deadly. They argued travel bans wouldn't do as much as preparedness would do. They were obviously right. Trump didn't prepare and the US ended up being one of the worst hit countries in the world. And, again, health & safety has little to do with right and left. China produces 28% of the world's carbon emissions, and their emissions are lower than the US per capita. And the aid for reducing emissions, under the Paris accord, wasn't based on who produces the most. It was based on developed vs developing vs undeveloped countries. All the developed countries paid more than developing or undeveloped countries. Being in the Paris accord doesn't push the US left of any other country in the Paris accord. Reagan gave amnesty, and a path to citizenship, to millions of undocumented immigrants. Are you so far psycho right wing that you think Reagan was a commie? Clearly, like Trump, you have no clue how tariffs work. Copenhagen is on track to become the first carbon neutral major city. Denmark is on track to cut emissions 70% by 2030, and be totally carbon neutral by 2050. Nothing you've said puts the US even in the same neighborhood as Denmark, let alone an inch to the left, which is still a long long way from all out communism.
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  13785. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13799. ​ @jamessilver6429  He's an idiot. Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  13874.  @michaels8620  Calling something "performance art" isn't the same as calling it "stupid". It's just a factual description of what it would have been. In no reality would it have passed. There's already a historical record of those who won't cosign, plus a historical record of committee members who sat on the bill, after Pelosi introduced it, all last session. Likewise, for this session. So, it would have been purely for show, right? "Performance art" is exactly not a hill worth dying on. If you do it, cool. If you don't, whatever. As soon as a certain someone (that you don't want to mention, on a video about a guy spewing that someone's talking points) turned it into a purity test, slandering anyone who didn't immediately jump on board a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer", etc., he turned a lot of people off. Part of any good plan is the ability to sell that plan to others, especially those you want to implement the plan. He who shall not be named was a horrible salesman, and his sales team was equally horrible. I think it's less about staying on someone's good side, and more about not feeling it's worth slandering them over it. The party speaker candidate is chosen by simple majority of the Dem caucus. The entire progressive caucus doesn't have the majority needed to be able to pick the party speaker candidate. The corporate Dem majority could keep picking Pelosi over and over and over, or someone worse. All you'd be doing is paralyzing the house, for an indefinite period of time, until a speaker was elected. For what, exactly? What happens when the progressive caucus does get the 15, or so, more seats needed to become the majority of the Dem caucus? You've started an all out intra party war, and they do the same thing, to you. Then what? The only way to actually pass the bill is to get enough yes votes in congress to be able to pass the bill. While he who shall not be named was slandering AOC and Bernie for abandoning M4A, as he himself abandoned Nina Turner, they were on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Bernie, Justice Dems, and AOC, have done more for M4A in a few years, than he has in his entire lifetime.
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  13896. ​ @jamez2918 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13912. ​ @selvamthiagarajan8152  You don't agree with reality? Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13918. By every relevant measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  13942.  @anitad5935  What? That 1.3m was from around 1991, and after living amongst Muslims for some 1300 years. The largely Christian US then came along and bombed the hell out of Iraq, then laid siege to the country, for a decade, and then came back to bomb the hell out of the country, again. The population had already been estimated to have dropped by about 500k, to 800k, by 2003. The US then allowed extremists to grow, out from the very place people blamed Saddam for gassing, and spread throughout the North, amongst the Kurds, many of whom joined ISIL. It was under the US' watch that IS started killing and persecuting everyone, including mostly Muslims. And, it was mostly Muslims (Kurds are 99% Muslims) who stopped them. Over 2 million people fled Iraq, not just Christians. So, who was genociding who, exactly? The foreign Christian invaders bombing and laying siege, killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, including Christian Iraqis? IS killing anyone who wouldn't join them? Most of the world were against both of those. Who's still genociding? Some estimates say there actually could still be almost 500k Christians in Iraq, but they keep delaying taking a census, to be able to verify any numbers. A couple hundred thousand took refuge with the Muslim majority Kurds, who protected them from IS. There have been the same ethnic groups on opposite sides, and different ethnic groups teaming up. There have been the same religions on opposite sides, and different religions teaming up. The US turned Iraq into a big clusterf*ck.
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  13951. ​ @MarkMayhew  First wrap your brain around who the actual aggressor is. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  14025.  @kylequest  A public option is not as good as M4A. Also, Bernie did not propose a total ban on private insurance. Just no duplicate coverage, exactly how Medigap isn't allowed to offer and charge people for things their Medicare already covers. Let's say someone is already collecting full SSI disability benefits, plus SNAP, which are currently stackable. They could easily already be getting $1000+ a month in assistance. Okay, so Yang doesn't have UBI stack with SSI, only SSDI, and they opt out of getting UBI, but they can't opt out of paying a VAT. Unless you expect them to live a life with no phone service, no internet, no electricity, no transportation, and numerous other things that don't get counted as basic necessities, then their cost of living will increase. You will have made someone already living in poverty effectively poorer, while handing upper middle class and lower end rich people more per year than they'll pay into a VAT (someone would have to be spending $120k a year on VATable goods and services to be even, $240k for a couple). That makes little sense. Plus, he never made it sound like new people could opt in to the old programs (which he wants phased out), so new disabled people might just be stuck with the $1000 a month. And, no, getting people off programs with jobs, but keeping the programs for safety, isn't the same as wanting to totally phase out programs. I mean, on his own, the guy originally thought it was a great ideas to not have UBI stack with anything and get rid of everything, including social security. It took a bunch of negative feedback for him to change his plan. He's not really as caring or smart as people think he is. And, again, he doesn't seem to have a clue how a VAT actually works. He will make giant corporations extra tens of billions a year, making their owners and large shareholders extra billions a year. They'll be more than happy to pay whatever thousands a year extra on personal products, for that exchange. Yang would have money flowing to the very top faster than ever before. He needs a different method to pay for the UBI, one that will have those at the top paying in more than they'll make back, and won't be a burden on some of the poorest people.
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  14035.  @rafidifrancesco7956  Zionism converted from something more like immigration to colonialism, with the Balfour declaration. Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923: "There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority. My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage." "Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system. All Natives Resist Colonists There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel."" "This statement of the position by the Arab editor is so logical, so obvious, so indisputable, that everyone ought to know it by heart, and it should be made the basis of all our future discussions on the Arab question. It does not matter at all which phraseology we employ in explaining our colonising aims, Herzl's or Sir Herbert Samuel's. Colonisation carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab. Colonisation can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed."
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  14045. He should say the same about Likud. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  14087. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  14109.  @jimv803  The US deciding how it was going to independently react is actually a seperate issue from the UN investigating accounts of chemical weapons use. As per Russian orders, that single investigation, which you think debunks all the rest, didn't even assign blame. The US deciding who to blame, and how to react (Obama didn't drop bombs after the first major use of chemical weapons, instead negotiating the destruction of chemical weapons), was totally the US' decision. It's a method for killing people. There's not really a dispute that he was still dropping bombs on his own people, killing them, in a war he's already winning. Russia was vetoing over a dozen UN resolutions against Syria, like the US does with Israel. Russia is, likewise, a terrorist nation, that invades places it feels like, has massacred seperatists in the name of fighting terrorism, is involved in proxy wars, etc. The fact that there were hundreds of reports of chemical weapons use and they were still winning, and still being protected as best Russia could, wouldn't deter them from continuing use, even if all those reports were true. Making out like doctors without borders, who had their own bases of operations for awhile, and then also had contacts in hospitals across the country, is some CIA front group, is nonsensical. Making out like legal human rights organizations, and courts in countries like the Netherlands, which also took the US to court and ruled the war in Iraq illegal, are now CIA front groups, is nonsensical. Etc. The answer can be both that Syria is using chemical weapons and that the US shouldn't be bombing or invading countries unilaterally, or with tiny coalitions of the willing.
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  14148.  @bluebottle1988  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  14258.  @gnubbiersh647  Because there's no moral issue, if nobody cares. We no longer consider women wearing pants to be a moral issue, because people no longer care if women wear pants. Who cares, if they actually care, and why, is relevant. Matt Walsh is a Catholic. There's literally a Catholic catechism stating that the god he worships is sexless, but it's apparently perfectly fine to use masculine gender terminology, to identify it. Catholics also believe that sexless god transitioned into a human male for a time. They outright worship a trans god. In fact, the vast majority of Christians do. That makes them all hypocrites, when they whine about trans people. The mere existence of a Y chromosome doesn't guarantee maleness (Swyer syndrome). The gene needs to express, to create maleness. For the first 5-7 weeks, only the mother's X (female) chromosome expresses. Anyone (including Matt and Ben) arguing life begins at fertilization, is arguing we're all female (or, at minimum, all sexless), which makes them trans. They ignore the fact that there are also trans men out there, beating birth certificate certified males, in sports. Lia Thomas was beaten by a trans man, Iszac Henig, before Henig transitioned. The two effectively swapped leagues. Would anyone have cared, if Henig hadn't transitioned, and continued beating women? Thomas has broken no national or international records. She simply swam during some slow years in the women's division, in her categories. Kate Douglass broke 18 national records, but people preferred to blather on endlessly about Lia. Those people are the ones detracting from the accomplishments of a birth certificate certified female, by focusing on nonsense. The makers of the movie admittedly refused to go through the transitioning process that would actually allow them to qualify as women. It's a completely dishonest movie. Nobody is transitioning, just to beat women. Hardly anyone is doing it. So, what's your big issue with it?
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  14259.  @gnubbiersh647   Because there's no moral debate, if the person you're debating doesn't actually care. We no longer consider women wearing pants to be a moral issue, because people no longer care if women wear pants. Who cares, if they actually care, and why, is relevant. Matt Walsh is a Catholic. There's literally a Catholic catechism stating that the god he worships is sexless, but it's apparently perfectly fine to use masculine gender terminology, to identify it. Catholics also believe that sexless god transitioned into a human male for a time. They outright worship a trans god. In fact, the vast majority of Christians do. That makes them all hypocrites, when they whine about trans people. The mere existence of a Y chromosome doesn't guarantee maleness (Swyer syndrome). The gene needs to express, to create maleness. For the first 5-7 weeks, only the mother's X (female) chromosome expresses. Anyone (including Matt and Ben) arguing life begins at fertilization, is arguing we're all female (or, at minimum, all sexless), which makes them trans. They ignore the fact that there are also trans men out there, beating birth certificate certified males, in sports. Lia Thomas was beaten by a trans man, Iszac Henig, before Henig transitioned. The two effectively swapped leagues. Would anyone have cared, if Henig hadn't transitioned, and continued beating women? Thomas has broken no national or international records. She simply swam during some slow years in the women's division, in her categories. Kate Douglass broke 18 national records, but people preferred to blather on endlessly about Lia. Those people are the ones detracting from the accomplishments of a birth certificate certified female, by focusing on nonsense. The makers of the movie admittedly refused to go through the transitioning process that would actually allow them to qualify as women. It's a completely dishonest movie. Nobody is transitioning, just to beat women. Hardly anyone is doing it. So, what's your big issue with it?
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  14287. Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of that happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're not very bright. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  14288.  @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of that happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're a little slow. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  14289.  @gnubbiersh647   Take 3 ... @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're working with one brain cell. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  14290.  @gnubbiersh647  Take 4 ... @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  14291.  @gnubbiersh647  Take 5 ... @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, go through the physical changes, ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero individual trans Olympic medalists in the 20 years they've been allowed? Or, from any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  14292.  @gnubbiersh647  Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess. It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport. Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, go through the physical changes, ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports. "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!" That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records. How many other examples would you like to talk about, from the zero individual trans Olympic medalists in the 20 years they've been allowed? Or, from any of the other trans athletes, that haven't won anything? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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  14326. ​ @Ghastlyteaparty  ​I think you are very much underestimating just how organized they were. Maybe look into things like the Domesday Book, pipe rolls, close rolls, patent rolls, Inquisitions post mortem, etc. Like the owner of a large private company, a monarch did delegate. They had their upper management (nobles) who, in turn, had their own lower management (sheriffs, tax collectors, game wardens, etc.). The monarch kept very very close track of who was running their lands for them, the upper management. Each level of the hierarchy only had to keep track of the level just below them, so the monarch didn't have to keep track of the peasantry. Each level would keep track of the level below, and it would be the lowest level of local Lord, or their henchmen, who would know all the peasants under their charge. The nobles basically leased the land, from the monarch, for X amount per year. They, in turn, assigned the lower management to extract that amount from the peasantry, plus whatever profits they wanted for themselves. Serfs were not living some lovely communal life, with all kinds of time off. They were basically indentured servants, tied to the land, and each had their own individual annual debts to pay. The ownership hierarchy made profits from the labor of the masses. They made profits off of sales by the much smaller merchant class in their lands. They made profits off of people traveling through their lands (tolls). Seeing as they were also the justice system, they also made profits from fining people. The ownership hierarchy had their hands in everything, and the working masses owned nothing.
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  14334. YouTube has absoluyely nothing to do with first amendment rights, unless the government is interfering. You clearly have no clue what the first amendment says. Update: Russia isn't communist anymore. It hasn't been for a long time. There's nothing "red" about it, except their flag. They're now another borderline fascist country ... exactly what leftists should be against. Dore does not support M4A. He peddled Tulsi over Bernie, for months. Then, he flipped and starting slandering progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, solely because they didn't jump onboard some pointless performance art vote. Then, after making out like a disagreement over that single pointless secondary tactic was enough to slander other progressives as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", etc. ... making out like that one disagreement was enough to write them off as no longer allies ... he flipped again, and peddled some "extreme free market" nutbars, that want to start a civil war, and don't agree on much of anything, including not agreeing with M4A, as potential allies. He slandered AOC and Bernie some more, claiming they had abandoned M4A, at the exact time they were on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A advocate to congress ... one that Dore publicly abandoned, he abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. Adding enough yes votes to congress is actually the very thing that moves you closer to being able to pass the bill. Getting enough yes votes is the only possible way to pass a bill. Plus, he promotes the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Better on foreign issues? Another reminder that he promoted Tulsi, who has been saying she's a "hawk" on the war on terrorism, at least since 2016. Pretty much every US intervention, since 9/11, has used the war on terrorism as grounds. He, and Mate, blathered for what seems like forever over an irrelevant report that had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria. It was a no fault investigation, it didn't start until after the US, and others, had already bombed Syria, and the final report didn't come out until almost a year after the fact. Why weren't they constantly attacking, by name, the president who actually did the bombing, Trump? Actually, I don't recall Jimmy complaining about Trump dropping more bombs than Obama, for 4 years. Weird. Jimmy also whined about Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, along with all the other right wing media, crying about how a war ended instead of praising the fact that it had ended. The thing about a grifter is that they claim to be selling you one thing, when they're actually selling you another. Dore sells himself as being for M4A, but the directions he actually tells people to go won't get anyone M4A in the next century, and possibly even head you in the opposite direction (promoting letting Republicans win, who want to go in the completely opposite direction than M4A). He claims to be anti-war, but hasn't much attacked the biggest warmonger in the last 4 years, supports a self described "hawk", and whines when a war ends. Now, he's claiming he's pro vax, but keeps peddling covid and vaccine information. There are, at least, two videos by others describing his dishonesty. Plus, he was just dishonest in two more covid videos. He's actively trying to kill people for money, now. He has also claimed to be for free speech, but he censors his own guests, he goes on white nationalist tv just to agree with right wing framing about poor president Trump being banned, he doesn't point out that there's no such thing as free speech rights on someone else's private property and that, if you actually want free speech rights, you should push for public ownership.
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  14432. Anti-Nazi didn't equate to anti-German, dumb dumb. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  14462. ​ @stretch2success  Look again. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  14468.  @egobrain6826  If he knows full well that the hospitalization rates are based on total population ... because he 100% totally read the article, and he 100% isn't a lying grifter, or a moron ... then the number he would be comparing is the 800k deaths in a 330m total population, which is a population mortality rate of 0.24%. There's nothing incompatible with a 0.24% population mortality rate a 0.9% population hospitalization rate. It means about a quarter of those hospitalized die. The hospitalization rate for those with covid has been estimated up to 5%. Nothing incompatible with that and the current US case fatality rate of 1.5%, or the covid infection fatality rate, which has been estimated at about 1% all along. The infection fatality rate would suggest that 800k deaths means that there have actually been about 80m infected Americans (many of those missed are probably because the US testing rate - tests per confirmed case - has been pathetically low). A 0.9% hospitalization rate for the total population, is about 3m hospitalizations, which is a 3.75% hospitalization rate based on total estimated infected, and a 5.63% hospitalization rate based on confirmed cases. The 1% infection fatality rate is close to a quarter of the 3.75% infection hospitalization rate. The 1.5% case fatality rate is close to a quarter of the 5.63% case hospitalization rate. All the numbers are quite compatible. If anything, Dore's Gallup numbers help confirm all the others are fairly accurate. He's just stupid, or dishonest, as are you.
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  14491. ​ @TheRedStateBlue Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  14504. ​ @barbaraklein3944  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  14562.  @RecMike  Bullshit. The civil rights act was preceded by years of protests. The bill had majority support. The bill was introduced late in the session and a minority filibustered until the end of session. The bill was immediately reintroduced the next session, they filibustered about 50 more days, and then the majority passed it. It didn't fail a vote. Women's suffrage was also preceded by years of protests and activism. Multiple states had already given women voting rights. The first vote was not purely for show, but to find out how everyone would vote. The parties weren't as partisan as they are now. It was brought up for a vote by the majority who supported it, not some minority of congress threatening to paralyze the house if it wasn't. It also got a majority of the vote but, being a constitutional amendment, it needed a super majority, which it didn't get. The bill was literally held back the next session, because they didn't think they had enough votes, and saw absolutely no reason to have a purely performance art vote. They thought they had enough votes the next session, but it failed by 2 votes. It passed the following session. And, in neither of those cases did the movements constantly attack and slander its biggest congressional supporters. Those examples are totally false equivalencies. Dore knobs have endless false equivalencies, bullshit strawmen, and slander. The current parties are quite partisan. You know absolutely no Republicans will vote for M4A. And, most of corporate Dems have also openly campaigned against it, and refuse to cosponsor the bill. There's no big mystery as to how everyone will vote. No chance it might pass. You've got a list of members who won't cosponsor the bills. Convert or replace them. Where were the extra 100+ viable progressive candidates Dore has laying around, that he could have run in the election that just happened? You've also got a list of committee members, who are currently sitting on the bill (Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill to congress ... she introduced it to congress last session, as well, where it died in those committees). Pressure and protest them, until they take up the bill, instead of slandering and protesting M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. Do something constructive instead of destructive.
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  14589.  @treeman5274  Is California controlled by progressive Democrats, or are you pretending all Democrats are samesies? If the later, then it seems like you have the uninformed opinion. I wouldn't suggest that any corporate Dems need to be replaced, if I expected them to pass M4A. If you think I've said corporate Dems don't need replacing, then you have serious reading comprehension problems. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. If you think the third party route is the quickest route to getting M4A, then you're clearly delusional. The 30 year old broader progressive caucus, with M4A on their platform, is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The 4 year old Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years and helped replace a few more corporate Dems. The M4A bill has the most cosponsors it has ever had. Aaaannnd ... Dore and his knobs want to start from scratch with zero seats, zero bills submitted, zero amendments added, and zero votes on even a single bill. Such genius level political moves are hard to comprehend. Did Pelosi get AOC to use her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, did she get AOC to back Nina Turner? If so, maybe Pelosi isn't so bad. If not, then maybe making out like AOC is in her pocket is complete bullshit. Ah, so "real" progressives don't want to fund the Global Fund to fight AIDS, TB, and Malaria, that has helped save an estimated 38m lives. Got it. Didn't AOC, Omar, Khanna, and other Dems, join Rand Paul, and other Reps, in urging Dumpty to follow through with his pledge to pull out of Syria and Afghanistan? Biden finally pulled out of Afghanistan, and Dore was bitching about it.
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  14595. ​ @OtherBarak  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  14601.  @ynemey1243  He didn't make a video supporting Nina in the 6 months leading to the election, he and his wife let everyone know they had stopped donating to Nina, and he encouraged people to never vote for someone running as a Democrat ever again. How the hell does that not equate to abandoning her? Justice Democrats have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems with progressives. That increases the number of M4A yes votes in congress. AOC helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. And, if you were wondering where AOC was on M4A march day, she was campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. The M4A marchers could have gone to Nina rallies, to also support adding another M4A yes vote to congress, but they also abandoned her. And then Dore slandered AOC, saying she and Bernie had abandoned M4A. Bernie also campaigned for Nina, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. It's just a fact that they've all done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. It's just a fact that he slanders them. It's simple math, that a third party is a losing strategy, and would benefit Republican most. Let's say you got everyone currently in the progressive caucus to run for your progressive third party and they managed to win the same number of seats. That'd be 94 seats in the house and 1 (Bernie) seat in the senate. Trump would have won the presidency, with Dem and progressive votes split between Biden and Bernie in the general instead of the primary. Republicans would control the senate with Pence as the tie breaker. In the house, Republicans would hold a plurality and only need a handful of the most conservative Dems to work with them to pass whatever they wanted and completely ignore the progressive third party. Even a successful progressive third party would benefit Republicans most. It's just math. And, the actual reality is that the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. You could be talking a century to even win one seat. It's a delusional fantasy. Progressives would gain more power by simply getting the 15 more seats the progressive caucus needs to become the majority of house Dems, than they would getting 100 seats as a third party. I don't think you know what a "strawman" is.
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  14615. ​ @monicack523  Ironic. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  14616. ​ @skontheroad  Fact is, Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  14620.  @Unfamous_Buddha  Where am I losing you? Tea party pressure also can from giant corporate donors, pushing the party further right. Are corporate Dems' corporate donors pressuring them to be more progressive? No. I'm not talking about amounts. I'm talking about what their donors are pressuring them to do. The Tea Party had become the majority of the Republican caucus by the time they had another party speaker vote. It wasn't some tiny minority taking over the party. And, again, if old school Republicans really wanted to get around the tea partiers, all they had to do was work with democrats to pass bills without needing tea party votes. I get it. You morons don't actually care that Democrats are in danger of losing the house in 2022. You'd prefer to see progressives in a minority party, and see Republicans become the majority. Learn some basic math. It is impossible to pass a bill without Manchin, because there are zero extra votes to the left of the party, if you lose his vote. On the other end, there is the entire Republican party to try and get extra votes from, if you lose a progressive vote. It is possible to pass bills without the squad by moving a bill to the right and picking up Republican votes. The squad refusing to sign bills could actually push legislation to the right. Unlike the old school Republicans, corporate Dems are willing to work with Republicans, as the likes of Manchin keeps saying. The $15 got a vote. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also got a senate vote. Wasn't just getting a vote on an important progressive policy supposed to be a big deal? Wasn't getting a list of no voters on an important progressive policy supposed to be a big deal? Apparently not. Dore knobs are pathetic useless hypocrites and have proved that ftv was a sham. Instead of going after the no voters, they just keep bitching about those who voted for it. Pelosi introduced the M4A bill last session. It died in committees, where 90% of bills die. She has already reintroduced the bill this session. It's sitting in committees. Instead of slandering and bitching about people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime, why not try pressuring committee members to take up the bill?
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  14722. ​ FreePalestineFromPalestinians  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  14796. I love Chomsky, but Germany had numerous parties, at the time. You could blame the Centre Party for not forming a coalition, or the German National People's Party, or the Bavarian People's Party, etc. Numerous combinations of parties could have formed a coalition with more seats than the Nazis. You could also blame the Social Democrat Party, itself, for breaking with its roots, leading to members breaking off and forming the Communist Party, in the first place. "Social democrat" and "democratic socialist" meant the same thing, originally. But, even though the Social Democrat Party didn't drop Marxism from their platform until the 50s, they started moving towards the right during WWI. During WWI, they tossed out any anti-war members of the party, which led to a split and two Social Democrat parties, MSPD and USPD. Then came the German Revolution and the overthrow of the monarchists. The SPD leadership sided with centrists, conservatives, and former Imperial Officers in the military, against workers wanting production nationalized and overseen by direct democracy ... exactly what "social democrat" was supposed to be, at the time ... and a democratic military, with officers elected by their men. SPD betrayed their base, just like Democrats did, long ago. You can't do that, and keep expecting those you're betraying to blindly follow. The clearest blame, is that it was the fault of all the morons or assholes, who actually voted for the Nazis. Seriously, you're still going to have a country with a large population of fascist morons and assholes. Why? And how do you get rid of them, rather than continuously just choosing a lesser of two evils to try and win a few more seats than them for a few years?
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  14797.  @kyoakland  2016: Dore promotes Trump (running on tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option to Clinton (running on adding 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). 2020 primaries: Dore promotes Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). 2020 general: Dore runs a constant attack add campaign against Trump's (still trying to boot 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, plus having a hand in killing hundreds of thousands of Americans) only remaining viable opponent, Biden (running on a public option and Medicare expansion). 2021: Dore is the one true champion of healthcare, and anyone who doesn't do as he says is a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", etc., including progressives who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. He promotes a nearly nonexistent third party, when even the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, and even if you got a third party popular enough to split off every progressive vote, that would just lead to Republican rule for decades to come. Promotes making friends with far right Boogaloos, who will be shooting leftists once they start the civil war they want (Jimmy is like the dipshit "leftists" who got themselves killed off on The Night of the Long Knives.). Repeatedly goes on far right television, largely just to agree with them. Abandons Nina Turner ... abandons adding another M4A yes vote to congress. What does this guy do that benefits the left, in any way? All of the above seems to mostly benefit the far right.
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  14813.  @ph6794  You're cheering on the aggressor? Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  14816.  @StephenZ827  Lol, that wasn't the only reasoning for cutting back production. During WWI farmers had been encouraged to take out loans, expand their farms, and pump out as much wheat, corn, etc., as possible, to meet the demands of the war. Prices were also artificially inflated by the war. When the war ended, and European farms started getting back on track, prices started dropping. US farmers then tried to pump out even more to make up for their losses in price, to pay off their loans, which made matters even worse. Not only did it make matters worse on the price front, but all that farming exacerbated the effects of the drought that came along, creating the Dust Bowl. Hundreds of thousands of farms failed, and led to the greatest internal migration in US history. Excessive farming didn't simply drive prices down, it helped cause and perpetuate an ecological disaster. It was the farmers who needed prices higher, to survive on less farming. The introduction of new farming methods, ways to protect farmland, and higher prices, saved countless more farms from going under. He also saved countless more banks from failing, by introducing savings protection, and getting people to put their money back into banks. Not sure how saving banks is hobbling them. He also introduced Glass-Steagall, and ditching it was one of the causes of the great recession. You can blather about the "theft" of gold, but the New Deal saved countless lives, farms, banks, businesses, the environment, etc.
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  14874. ​ @AOLAmericaOnline  Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  14896.  @anti-corporatecapture3844  To catch you up to date, Dore knob ... Jimmy's doctor of nursing practice (not an actual MD), friend, from across the pond has been debunked already. 1. What's going on in one country can't just easily be applied to another. The US excess mortality rate was higher than its covid death count, not lower, like the UK. Something completely different is going on. It was stupid of the doctor of nursing to suggest this. 2. An excess mortality rate, that is higher or lower than the covid death count, doesn't automatically mean something is off with the covid death count. You have to count up all the pluses and minuses from all other things people died of. Only if all those other deaths don't match the difference, then there's something off with the covid count. If you straight up take it at face value, and claim the UK is overcounting, that would mean the US is undercounting. 3. The second number is the official number used for deaths due to covid by the government, and the media. No other. 4. The third number, if you read the paper, says "with covid". It does not say covid "contributed" to the death, as the dishonest doctor of nursing stated. That simply means there were some 20k people, on top of the second number, who died of other things, but had covid. Not the government, nor the media, use that number as the covid death count. 5. Not counting people listed as dying due to covid, simply because they had comorbidities, is disgusting. People with asthma tend to live about as long as anyone else. Not counting them as a human being, because they had a precondition, is disgusting. You and Dore are as bad as private for profit insurance companies. Someone with type I diabetes, doesn't count as a human being? You're writing them off as the walking dead, like complete loons.
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  14912. Facts: Followers of Ze'ev Jabotinsky formed the Irgun and Lehi Zionist terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering Palestinian men, women, children, and even Palestinian Jews, who didn't support colonialist Zionsim. The Lehi were considered even more extreme, tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain, continued fighting the British during WWII, and assassinated British diplomats. Those terrorist groups opposed partition for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized at all, while the terrorists wanted to colonize it all. Those terrorists committed massacres, rape, and torture, during partition violence. The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel, to cover up that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah. Those terrorist groups were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies. The leaders of those terrorist groups formed Likud, and both leaders were elected as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promised to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Zionism = colonialism, terrorism, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, an ethno-state, occupation, and operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Or, in other words, Nazism.
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  14953. How is there a two state solution, with Likud? Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  15038. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  15050. ​ @edwsc3  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  15092. ​ @Woobieeee Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  15095. ​​ @ThePoliticalBulldog  That is the dumbest shit I've read so far, in the past few days. Both have Canaanite DNA, making them both native. The Egyptian and Hittite empires dominated the Canaanite region; then, for a brief time, there were the kingdoms of Israel, Judea, and Philistia; then the Assyrians wiped out Israel; then the Babylonians conquered Judea and Philistia; then the Persians conquered the Babylonians; then the Greeks conquered the Persians; then the Romans conquered the Greeks ... Romans didn't conquer "group A", and the ones that did, Babylonians, also conquered "group B", and took some of both populations hostage to Babylon. "Group A" decided to rebel against their Roman oppressors, multiple times, killing tens of thousands of Roman civilians, so the Romans responded with excessive force, destroyed their temple, and ethnically cleansing them out of Jerusalem. Sound familiar? Group B simply didn't go anywhere. Still sitting there, with their Canaanite DNA. After a 1500 year walkabout, group A decided to return, not as neighbours, but to take half the land and ethnically cleanse those who had remained off the land. On top of being Colonialists, they also formed terrorist groups (Irgun and Lehi), and killed many group B civilians, including children, even killed group B Jews (who didn't support Zionism). That colonialism and terrorism was rewarded with statehood. And, anytime group B rebels against their group A oppressors, group A uses excessive force, and does more ethnic cleansing, just like the Romans. Group A also decided to set up an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, for group B. They've become the very thing they fled Europe and Russia from.
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  15139. Stop bullshitting. You don't care about others having healthcare. In 2016, you promoted Trump as a better option, not caring if that might lead to the repeal of the ACA and millions losing their healthcare, including people with preexisting conditions. During the 2020 primaries, you promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice" aka public option) instead of Bernie (M4A), not caring about getting the better healthcare plan, and not caring that you might peel away enough votes from the more viable progressive and let Biden win. You spent the general basically running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if that would lead to the ACA being completely repealed, not caring if he killed thousands of more Americans, and no longer advocated for getting even a public option, or the Medicare age decrease that would put millions more on Medicare. Plus, you're promoting yet another third party that won't even get you a seat in congress in the next 50 years, let alone get you M4A, and could just split progressive voting enough to lose the gains they've made within the Dem party, handing it back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying the healthcare system even more. If anyone is a "fake", "shill", "sellout", or whatnot, it's clearly you, Jimmy. AOC backed Bernie over Biden, Biden over Trump, and just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the only thing that will ever get M4A passed, failed show vote or no failed show vote.
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  15153. ​ @ThinkingCap_  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  15186.  @beng2729  You don't seem to know the definition of “colonize”. The Normans can most definitely colonize the Anglo-Saxons. Again, Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, dimwit. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are Hispanic and Catholic. There's zero account of actual Arabians, from Arabia, completely genociding Palestine and then completely refilling it with people from a small desert nation. They simply conquered and ruled, like all the others before them. The majority of the population had already converted to Christianity, by the time they arrived, and then simply converted again, to Islam. After going on a tour for hundreds of years, if you “come back” to claim the land, you’re coming back as a colonizer. Everyone is African, if you go back far enough. People still colonized the crap out of Africa. What does it matter what “Palestine” describes? I have a city identifier, a provincial identifier, a national identifier, a region identifier, … You're simply a racist, trying to make out like a people doesn't exist. Native Americans, Africans, indigenous Australians, hadn't submitted the proper nation creation paperwork with the proper authorities, and only lived in regions … they were still colonized, genocided, and ethnically cleansed. Palestinians were the ancient Jews, dumb dumb. Most converted to Christianity, then most converted to Islam. Not that difficult to understand. The Irish are largely still quite Celtic in ethnicity, but they aren't still largely practicing ancient religions. Barely anyone in all of Europe is practicing ancient religions. They weren't all completely genocided and replaced with people practicing Christianity. They simply all converted, dimwit. A new religion isn't any kind of evidence of an entirely new people. I seriously can't grasp just how stupid someone needs to be, to think that's the case. You also don't seem to know what “influx” means. There were about 7k Jews in Palestine, in 1800. Even if they all arrived in the 18th century, that's not an “influx”. Again, the non Jewish population doubling twice, in 147 years, can almost entirely be explained by reproduction rates. You're exaggerating the numbers of Jewish immigrants, prior to 1800 and exaggerating the number non-Jewish immigrants after 1800. Nope. More lying. Uh huh, and? That's how it's still being used. There are Christian Palestinians. There were Jewish Palestinians. Irgun and Lehi terrorists targeted those Palestinian Jews alongside their Palestinian brothers and sisters, for not supporting colonialist Zionsim. Do you even know what “Arab” means? It's not mutually exclusive from being Christian or Jewish. What were the Arabic speaking Palestinian Jews? Nope. Lying again. Romans renamed it Palestine, as it had been named before. Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be “in Palestine”. The Jewish population only owned about 5 percent of the land, prior to partition, and were the majority in zero districts. To become a “Jewish state” would require ethnic cleansing, and that's exactly what happened. Zionism is colonialism. And, the more Zionists talk, they indicate it's even Nazism, making out like human beings don't exist, and justifying killing, ethnically cleansing them, keeping them in open air WWII style fascist ghettos.
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  15194.  @Zenith118  "There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority. My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent. The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage." "Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies. To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system. There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised. That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel.""
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  15211. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  15214.  @wvu05  Most states have a mandatory retirement for judges. Kind of odd to retire those who interpret the law, but not those who create the laws. There are a number of other government jobs with mandatory retirement. Also odd to force retire generals, but not the ones telling generals what to do. Odd to force retire older intelligence agents, but not the ones telling them what to do. Out in the private sector, the majority of people over 50 feel like they were forced out of jobs they wouldn't have retired from, and are now in jobs they didn't particularly want, for less money. There are plenty of contracts that conveniently run out at a certain age. Businesses all over find ways to get people to retire, if they really want them to. And most people do get the hell out by the time they're 65. The original "democracy", in Ancient Greece, much like the US' original "democracy", only included only landowning males, not women, not non landowners, not slaves ... various restrictions might make a democratic system more, or less, democratic, but it doesn't completely abandon it. The US already isn't a direct democracy. That doesn't make it completely "anti-democratic". Most democracies aren't. The US is less democratic than a number of countries, due to gerrymandering, the senate, the electoral college, disenfranchisement, and voter suppression. Doesn't make them completely "anti-democratic". Completely "anti-democratic" is trying to overthrow the democratic process, to keep an unelected ruler in power, like what Republicans tried to do. An age limit is more democratic than a term limit. You could have as many terms as you want, up until a certain age. There's a minimum age for both running and voting. Automobile accidents increasing again at higher age categories, and it's not because they're careless, like many teenage drivers. It's because cognitive decline starts setting in. At 65, 15-20% of people are experiencing some kind of mild cognitive decline. By 70, average cognitive scores are dropping below those of 25 year olds, who aren't allowed to run for many positions. Do you think Bernie's hospital visit, and heart stents, put a bit of a damper on his campaign and gave the opposition some ammo? Would have been nice if he started running for president, become a household name, and have his policies part of mainstream conversations, decades ago. Maybe he would have, if he had known he wouldn't be able to later. And, for every Bernie, who still seems to have his wits about him, how many Trumps or Bidens, who seem to have, at least, some mild cognitive impairments ... how many Dianne Feinsteins or Reagans, who had more ... how many congress members taking Alzheimers medication? Or, how many that simply want to return to the 1950s, that they thought it was awesome? Bernie just happened to be on the right side of most things, all along. Many have been on the wrong side of things all along, and are entrenched. An age limit might not get you something much better out of McConnell's district, but it might get you something more progressive out of Pelosi's, or Feinstein's, once the seat is freed up.
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  15236.  @michaelernest7224  Yeah, Likud (founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists) seems like it has totally been on board with Palestinian independence ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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  15249.  @deborahrainabotvinik3894  Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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  15272.  @Breadbored.   I'm nitpicking because I want to be clear about what's what, for anyone reading. You referred to the "Canada" system, not your provincial system. You said that Canada system had "fundamental" problems. Then you gave government negotiated doctor salaries as an example, while leaving out that that's a provincial government negotiation, not a federal (Canada) government negotiation, and that it's not a problem across the whole system. Anti M4A folks love to pick up on any negative anecdotes about the Canadian system, so I just want to be clear. To be clear, the US already has hospital shutdown problems in less populated areas. Those hospital shutdown problems are even worse in areas that didn't accept federal assistance to expand Medicaid. You don't know if your hospital might have already shutdown if it wasn't for public funding. Keeping hospitals afloat in less populated areas is a fundamental problem for any system, and possibly a worse problem without public funding. So, your example was neither a "Canada" problem, nor a "fundamental" problem with our system specifically, nor even solely a single payer problem. Our system evolved over decades, so it's also not a problem with any hasty implementation. And, yes, universal coverage is inherently better than not having it, even if there are still issues. If we agree on all that, then we agree your initial post was kinda bullshit, just like I said, as well as some of the other language you used, all of which I didn't misread, at all. If you're reading that I'm arguing against anything other than specific statements you made, then you're the illiterate one.
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  15356.  @emgtexas  And I have tried to be respectful as all you've basically argued is that your g0d has incomprehensible magical thinking. Zero logical thought to actually solving the problem. According to Genesis 2, it took the dmwt g0d creating all the animals and birds in existence, before figuring out Adam might like another human being to help him. The dmwt g0d, knowing full well that Earth 1.0, starting with Adam was doomed to fail, and that he'd have to start over with Earth 2.0 and Noah, still went ahead with Earth 1.0. He could have just started with Noah, and Earth 2.0, in the first place. Etc. The biblical g0d isn't described as exceptionally bright, or good. Pretty much just a ruthless dcttr. If other beings can exist without requiring that g0d creating them, then what's your basis for claiming other g0ds can't also exist? "Middle aged"? He had just created them. There's no indication they had lived in the garden very long, at all. Plus, they were totally innocent, not knowing good or evil. They were child-like. Their father, never even warned them to avoid talking snakes. Rofl! You believe your all powerful g0d let things go down a road he didn't intend? Again, if he knew the Adam and Eve he was about to create, would get hoodwinked, then he could have chosen to make the smarter, chosen to give them some kind of innate sense that talking snakes are bad, chosen to give them unshakable wills, ... The possibilities are limitless, aren't they? You're turning your g0d into a lame duck ... Just had no ability to do things any other way. And yet, you haven't given a single realistic scenario that disproves it. I know the version Adam I am about to create will fail. I have the ability to create an infinite number of other versions, some amount of which would never fail. I have the power to toss the snake across the universe. I have the power to hide the tree across the universe. I still create the scenario, and version of Adam, that I know will fail. How is there any possibility of Adam not failing, once created? If there's no possibility for Adam to do otherwise, once created, then he never had an actual choice.
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  15357.  @emgtexas  You said there could possibly be other powerful beings in existence that didn't require a g0d to create them. How can you then claim there can't possibly be other g0ds? If you've thrown away the core ... this one g0d created everything argument ... while still including the existence of magical beings, then you've opened things up to infinite possibilities. Adam and Eve had just been created. There's zero indication they were "middle aged", especially mentally. They were completely mentally innocent, not knowing good and evil, like little children. And yet, you've given zero realistic scenarios, that actually get around the problem. Your main argument is the good old, "g0d works in mysterious ways", you can't know how a g0d thinks, garbage. His thinking process is described, multiple times, in the Bible, and he's not described as being exceptionally bright. Scenario: A and B are planning to prank C, by A jumping out and startling C, while B videos it. Not long before the planned prank, B receives a text, from himself, from the future. It's the video of what happens. It shows C severely overreacting, tripping, falling down a flight of stairs, landing badly, and no longer living. If B does nothing, and remains an observer/recorder, things will go exactly the same way. A will never not startle C, and C will never react differently. If B truly does not want C to be unalived, they have the power to change the scenario. It's absolutely ridiculous, to claim g0d wanted any other outcome than the one he got. An all powerful being could have changed the scenario in any number of ways. Now, let's say B is actually a g0d, who created C. That means C didn't get traits through genetics or upbringing. C was created, by B, to be high strung and to overreact. Unless B changes their created tendencies, C will always react the way they reacted in the video. Even if B didn't want to change the scenario, B could design C differently, so that they don't overreact. If B changes nothing, C can't possibly do anything other than what was shown in the video from the future. In a debate about free WILL, you've argued WILLpower has nothing to do with it, which makes no sense. It has everything to do with it. If Adam never possessed enough will to resist temptation, then he never had the option to react differently. G0d both could have created a stronger Adam, and could have created a different scenario.
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  15381.  @emgtexas  Rofl. Ironic opening, considering the fact that Satan "choosing" is irrelevant to the point I made, dingus. The point was that your god could have chosen not to create him, if he really wanted Adam to succeed, and if he was all powerful enough to change the vision of the future he saw. Apparently you're arguing your god is not all powerful, and apparently you are too thick to grasp any points being made. Yeah, that takes willpower, dingus, which he didn't have enough of. The entire premise of the story was that they didn't know good from evil, right from wrong. He chose to leave two innocent, ignrnt, effectively children, that he knew would fail, that he knew he hadn't given the proper skills to, alone with Satan and a tree that would curse them and their descendants for all eternity. But, apparently you're now arguing your God didn't have a choice. That he's not all powerful. That the future he sees is set in stone, and he can't deviate from it. Yeah, the circle is because you haven't solved the problem, dingus. How can someone who doesn't exist make an actual choice? Or, how can someone who now exists chose to do something differently than what God saw, prior to creating them? Constantly repeating that God can see the future, when that's already a given, means you're as sharp as a spoon. Even a god's morality would be based on their own subjective likes and dislikes. Your god wasn't required to create pigs, make them tasty, and then declare it immoral to eat them. He felt like it.
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  15386.  @emgtexas  The point at issue, is prior to the creation's existence and any actual decisions it could make. It doesn't exist. If you say there's an existing future Adam, making actual decisions, then Adam doesn't need creating. If you say an uncreated, non existent, Adam can make decisions, then you're arguing for the logically impossible. No creation or the logically impossible ... which is it? And yet, you keep arguing your god does have limits, by claiming the future he sees is a fixed actual future, and not simply a possible future. If Satan sits down and bets God that he can make Job deny him ... then God looks into the future, if Satan's suggestion is accepted, and sees that Job would pass the tests (abuse, suffering, and mrdr) ... Could your god have chosen not to pointlessly trtr Job? Was the future seen only one possibility, or was it the one and only fixed future and your god incapable of choosing to do otherwise? In the end, your god chose to allow for the pointless suffering, just so he could win a bet. Do you think there's some big difference between Thor and Spock? Now you're arguing your god has limits, again. If your god isn't subjectively picking and choosing whatever he thinks is moral or immoral, then what ... is some outside influence making him? Does he not have the ability to choose whatever he likes? Love is subjectivity. Like is subjectivity. Yes, I know I like pizza. It being an objective fact that I subjectively think pizza is good, doesn't magically make it an objective fact that pizza is good.
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  15409. @emgtexas  If it's possible to have both limits and free will, then you don't need to have limits to evil removed, to have free will, exactly like I said. Already been over this, but you argued against it. Now you're arguing for it. Then you'll argue against it. Then for, then against. You are just about the most inchrnt theist I've ever run across. It also refers to snakes as just snakes many times in the Bible. You haven't got there? You didn't even manage to finish only 2 pages about the tree and eating the fruit? He cursed snakes to forever slither on the ground and get under the heel of women. Rofl. "Ambrosia" is an immortality giving food or drink, in Greek mythology. Does the tree of life produce fruit that grants immortality? Yes. Then, it's an ambrosia tree. An all powerful god could just make them immortal, or remove that immortality, by thought. The tree is completely pointless. Just something borrowed from other mythologies, like much of the OT. He had absolutely no reason to punish them. Your all knowing god would have actually known that Earth 1.0, starting with Adam, would completely fail, and that he'd begin all over with Earth 2.0, starting with Noah. There was absolutely no good reason for anything, no point to anything, prior to Noah, in that fairytale. Being all powerful, he could have seen his failure of a creation, changed his mind, and started with Noah instead. He chose failure. Rofl. God is depicted as not being very intelligent, in the Bible, and also mad. Did you read how he kept trying to create companions for Adam, and then finally decided on creating Eve for him? If your god knew all that, before actually creating them, why didn't he just create Eve for Adam from the get go?
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  15410. @emgtexas  Rofl. Genesis 1 and 2 have contradicting orders. You can't use Genesis 1 to claim he already created them. In Genesis 2, the one where the trees and rule come into play, it literally says he made Adam before animals. Then proceeded to make animals, so Adam wouldn't be alone. “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.” Only then does your god proceed to make animals, looking for a suitable companion, but none are suitable. "But for Adam no suitable helper was found." Only then does your god decide to make Eve for him. You sent me to a video, which literally says only your god has free will. You already lost the debate, so no clue what position you're even arguing now. You've repeatedly pulled complete nonsense out of ... I don't know where, only to back peddle. Your arguments defy logic, and the meaning of words like "created". I've listened, but haven't heard any actual sense. You can't even make it through the 2 whole relevant pages in your own fairytale book, and don't even seem to understand the parts you are reading. You've twice now not understood the order of what it literally says (Eve's words after her gaining knowledge, not before, and animals after Adam). You don't even know that "Allah" is just Arabic for "God". Even Arabic Christians say "Allah". It's the exact same Abrahamic god, not a different god. The same god as the Jewish "Elohim". Sorry to say ... that you're about as sharp as a spoon is just a statement of fact. What's to respect?
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  15413. @emgtexas  You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid the knife, that they will cut themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only your inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen. Dingus, why give them the ability to do evil, in the first place? Why include it in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣 Rofl. You think they were smarter than that? There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any smarter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other. Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you believe you could see all the nations on earth, from the highest mountain, on a sphere? Or, see the tallest tree from everywhere on earth, on a sphere? Those would only be possible on a flat earth. Do you believe all the stars can fall to earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights within the firmament (dome). Do you believe the moon is itself a light? It's not. Do you believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old? It's not. Do you believe that all of mankind, and all animals, rebooted from one tiny starting point, within the last 6000 years? They didn't.
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  15414. @emgtexas You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid a sharp object, that they will harm themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only an inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen. Dingus, why give them the ability to do evil, in the first place? Why include it in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣 Rofl. You think they were smarter than that? There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any smarter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other. Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you believe you could see all the nations on earth, from the highest mountain, on a sphere? Or, see the tallest tree from everywhere on earth, on a sphere? Those would only be possible on a flat earth. Do you believe all the stars can fall to earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights within the firmament (dome). Do you believe the moon is itself a light? It's not. Do you believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old? It's not. Do you believe that all of mankind, and all animals, rebooted from one tiny starting point, within the last 6000 years? They didn't.
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  15415. @emgtexas   You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid a sharp object, that they will harm themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only an inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen. Dingus, why include the ability to do evil in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣 Rofl. There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any brighter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other. Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you truly believe that all the stars in the sky could fall to Earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights, within the firmament (dome), as described in Genesis. In actuality, stars are distant suns, and if one got close enough, it would be the Earth that would fall into it, and it would only take one.
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  15432. @emgtexas  I'll mark down "if you" as more little words you don't seem to know the definitions of. You are arguing that nothing existed, for any amount of time, prior to creation. That means your god didn't exist for any amount of time, prior to time existing. So, who created your god, since he has a starting point? Only eternity (infinite time) has no starting, or ending, points. I remember when theists used to claim their god was eternal. Now they're claiming he too has a starting point. Weird stuff. Is he like the Egyptian god Ptah, who nonsensicallly created himself? Water is mentioned before he creates light, and the days start to pass. Before you were arguing there was "THE" Bible. Now you're arguing that, not only are there other versions, but "THE" Bible isn't even translated properly. You can't seem to keep anything straight. The "primordial waters", or "cosmic ocean", represent chaos, from which the creator god (in multiple mythologies) creates order. Calling it a "void" doesn't debunk my argument. Egyptian mythology: "The void itself was described as a primordial body of water out of which rose up a mound shaped like a pyramid—a benben." Only 2 original apostles, and supposed NT writers, claimed to have seen undead Jesus, Matthew and John. The only other supposed writer, to make the claim, was Paul. Absolutely nobody else wrote down their testimony. That's just 3 people, not hundreds. I take it you believe in aliens, since you think alien abduction claims are valid evidence.
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  15438. ​ @barbaraklein3944  The 100 year bloody history of Likud ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections. Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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  15473.  @eavesdropper0  Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ... Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  15475.  @Snihawk  What a load of horse shit. The IDF has its largest base in a shopping mall, cowardly hiding behind civilian human shields. The IDF has over 400k militants (reservists), amongst its populace, cowardly hiding behind civilian human shields. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ... Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense. Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal. Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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  15511.  @Fuwuzworsh  You're the one who replied to me, first, and opened with saying I was strawmanning. How can I strawman you, before ever responding to you? You're incoherent. Nader changed the Democratic party? The only change I saw was that in 2000, they had a presidential candidate running on climate change as the centerpiece of his platform. Obama and Biden have both been to the right of Gore, on that subject. Gore losing pushed them further right. Likewise, instead of bringing about a progressive wave, as Dore claimed a Trump presidency would bring about, everyone went screaming into Biden's arms. It was an Obama presidency, that ended with a progressive movement forming behind Bernie. Sure, Biden is a right winger, and letting Trump win, led to Biden. So, the answer is to let Trump, or DeSantis, win again ... let outright fascists who wanted to overthrow the democratic process win again ... because that'll do what, exactly? There's zero evidence letting Republicans win moves Democrats left. There is decades of evidence showing that, when Republicans move things further right, corporate Dems then meet them in the new "middle". There's evidence that a progressive movement can come after a fairly ineffective Dem presidency, and that repeatedly going outright backwards, with Republicans, isn't necessary. You're both arguing to not vote blue, and then pointing to polls, showing that not voting blue will lead to Republicans winning. Biden simply being ineffective isn't telling people not to vote Dem. You are. You're promoting having a Republican majority, because that'll be sooooo much better.
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  15513.  @Fuwuzworsh  It is absolutely not a strawman, to point out the math, or the fact that repeatedly letting Republicans win has accomplished nothing but moving the country further right. Sorry, that you find math and facts "hysterical". Voting Obama, kept McCain and Palin out of office, and led to a progressive movement under Bernie. What did letting Trump win lead to? Where's the massive progressive wave, Dore claimed would "for sure" materialize and take the house, senate, and presidency? Oh right, that was a fantasy. That Dore fantasy, btw, was based on the argument that Trump was so much worse than Clinton, it would cause a bigger backlash (it did) ... that was suppose to be majority progressive (it wasn't). Now, your Dore knob argument is that they're tots samesies. So, you're arguing Dore was an idiot, for thinking Trump was far worse? Either way, it seems he was an idiot. You also seem to be sticking to arguing he's an idiot for saying Dems would rather lose to Republicans, than progressives. Voting Gore would have kept Dubya out of power, and put a president with climate change as their priority, in the white house. Gore and Dubya ... tots samesies. Sticking with Carter would have kept Reagan out of the white house. Carter and Reagan ... tots samesies. Voting blue works both ways, for progressives. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries still tend to vote for them in the general. It helps them win general elections. You want to split that voting, which would mostly help Republicans win generals, based on some fantasy that letting Republicans win is what will make corporate Dems change, when there's zero evidence that is the case. You want progressives to have fewer seats, be in a minority party, or be in an insignificant party with zero seats. Yeah, sounds awesome. Consider the primaries the major battle. It's also the election where there's the most room to increase voter turnout, progressive turnout. If progressives happen to lose, then still vote to keep Republicans out, vote to say you don't want the country moving any further right than a corporate Dem. Rofl, no. Profanity often comes out, when I hear something unbelievably stupid. And, I'm perfectly calm. Your mental telepathy has failed you. Labor force participation isn't the lowest in history. It isn't even lower than the lowest point, last year. Consumer confidence isn't the lowest in history. It also isn't even lower than the lowest point, last year. You're hysterically making up nonsense. Weird how a "socialist" would actually lie, to try and make Trump look better. Weird how you Dore "socialists" promote things that would benefit Republicans most.
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  15515.  @Fuwuzworsh  Rofl. I don't even like Biden, you dimwitted Dore knob. Trashing him doesn't affect my argument. How is letting Republicans win, a strategy? It's a failed "strategy", that has been repeated, for decades, and has only moved the country further right. Like I said, vote for progressives in the primaries, try to increase progressive voter participation in primaries, when more corporate Dem voters don't come out to vote. It's the best place for progressives to win, not in generals, running as third party candidates. But then, whatever the outcome, vote in the general, to say a corporate Dem is as far right as you're willing to go, to say neutral is better than reverse, to keep whatever progressives there are in the majority party rather than a minority party, and then focus on getting more progressive seats in the next primary. All the evidence points against letting Republicans win being a good "strategy", and shows it causing a Dem shift to the right, not left. All the evidence points towards a progressive movement coming about without needing a Republican in power. All the evidence points towards going third party as being a decades long endeavor, to even win a single seat in congress. The simple math of congress is that a progressive third party would need a majority, to ever be able to pass anything, and that Republicans and corporate Dems could completely ignore them, and pass anything they wanted, otherwise. Dore cites the definition of insanity, but then proposes doing the same thing, that has been happening for decades. Stop letting Republicans win, even if the current Dems kinda suck. Focus on getting corporate Dems out in the next primaries, rather than just letting them lose to Republicans, which has done absolutely nothing but repeatedly moved the country backwards. What projection? I, in no way, ever promoted Trump as being better for progressives than Clinton. I, in no way, promoted going on a far right white nationalist's propaganda show, just to largely agree with a bunch of far right talking points. I, in no way, promoted allying with psycho ancap Boogaloos that want to start a civil war, and would likely be shooting lefties, if that civil war ever came about. I, in no way, promoted abandoning Nina Turner, an ardent supporter of M4A, just because she was running as a Dem. I, in no way, promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). I promote progressives get out and vote during the primaries, getting more progressives in congress, but never letting the country move further right than a corporate Dem. That's called harm avoidance, and I'll take a Chomsky, or Bernie, over a BGJ, any day of the week.
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  15522. If the majority of Republican lawmakers are trying to overthrow the democratic process, ditch any of their members that accept the results, and try to protect themselves by not having an investigation, how is that not a Republican policy? When they still seem to have Trump as their leader, even though he's still spewing that the election was stolen, and others of them have rallies, continuing to spread that nonsense, how is that not Republican policy? If Republican lawmakers, across the country, try to curtail voting, using the same nonsense as grounds, how is that not Republican policy? A perfect illustration of your point is that, since the Dems in the house passed the $15, and since most of the Dems in the senate voted for it, that because it didn't ultimately pass, that's a good reason to let Republicans take the house, senate, and presidency, because ... that'll really show those corporate Dems, that voted against it, what's what? Why didn't letting Trump win show them what's what, after Obama? Why didn't letting Bush win, after Clinton, show them what's what? Why didn't letting Reagan win, after Carter, show them what's what? You seem to having some serious delusion, that doesn't match the reality of the last 50 years, or more. There's absolutely zero evidence, suggesting letting Republicans win, moves corporate Dems to the left. The very fact that a Manchin doesn't give a crap, if he tanks Biden's entire platform, is evidence he doesn't give a crap. He'd probably love losing the progressive wing of the party so he, and his Republican buddies, can pass all the "bipartisan" bills they want, without having to deal with progressives in his party. You say sticking with blue, has gotten the country where it is, but that's not, at all, reality. The majority of voters have not gone out and voted blue, no matter what. Enough voters have stayed home, or voted third party, to let Republicans win over, and over. It is exactly what you're proposing, letting Republicans win again, that has gotten the country where it is. Nothing you've fantasized coming about, by letting Republicans win, has actually come about, any of those times, but you want to let them win again, because maybe this time things will be different. The majority getting out and voting, and sticking with blue, is exactly what hasn't happened. That's actual history. Let me be more clear, I'd pick a Chomsky over a dozen BGJs and Chris Hedges. Neither are anywhere close to his weight class and, quite obviously, the vast majority off progressive voters, don't agree with them, or Dore. I'm blinded? You're the one proposing doing the same thing over, and over, but thinks you're going to get a different result. You're the one following a loudmouth contrarian, who makes out like everyone who disagrees with him is a fake, fraud, or sellout, just like Dumpty. You're the one defending a jagoff who has repeatedly backed the worst healthcare policies, has abandoned adding M4A advocates to congress, but passes himself off as some champion of healthcare, who's leading you down a road to never even winning a seat in congress. The same jagoff who had some grand fantasy about letting Trump win, and absolutely none of his predictions came true, and yet you entertain his new fantasies. The Puritan People's Party is a joke, with one of its main leaders already leaving the "party", because even they weren't puritan enough for him. The Green Party has produced the likes of Kyrsten Sinema. The reality is that you can't possibly get a third party, of any significance, as puritan as you like, or even guarantee a third party won't have corruptible members. Actual history shows that corporate Dems have repeatedly moved right, after letting Republicans win, not left, even after 3 terms (12 years) of Republicans. Just how many years do you have to let Republicans rule, to get corporate Dems to move left, exactly, in your fantasy scenario? The reality of math says that a progressive third party couldn't accomplish much. As long as there are a handful of corporate Dems, like Manchin, willing to work with Republicans, they coukd pass whatever they wanted, without needing a single progressive third party vote. You seem to have more faith in corporate Dems, than I do. I don't think they're very moveable. I think you need to replace them, and I don't see how going third party will ever accomplish that. Justive Dems have replaced more corporate Dems, in just 4 years, than all third parties combined have, in 50 years.
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  15523.  @Fuwuzworsh  What aren't you grasping? Splitting off progressive votes, will allow Republicans to win. That's just math. It is absolutely a historical fact that Republicans have been allowed to win repeatedly, and it hasn't moved the Dems left, in the least. They have been moving right, along with Republicans. What don't you get about them moving more towards the position of those who beat them, not further away from it? Even just talking elections with left leaning challengers, the Green Party is now 20 years old. They have run against them multiple times. They even possibly spoiled two elections. In what way did those election losses move corporate Dems left? They didn't. There's no evidence to support anything you're arguing, and plenty of evidence against it. You're the one spewing falsehoods and fantasy. Oh right, they're all in cahoots, and no politicians, no appointed officials, nor any of their aids, have exposed that they're all in cahoots. One of the tightest lipped conspiracies in history. And, your "evidence" is that, since something you wanted didn't get passed, that they must be in cahoots? I never once argued Biden could be pushed left. You're the idiot arguing corporate Dems can be pushed left. I've argued to replace them. I already stated this, but you either have severe reading comprehension problems, or are completely dishonest, leading to you ironically spewing strawmen, which you erroneously opened complaining about, when I hadn't even addressed you. I'll have to assume the completely dishonest part, at this point. I also haven't budged, to the right. I propose suffering through a corporate Dem majority, until they can be taken out in the primaries. You propose suffering through a Republican majority, and no way of getting rid of them, because voting third party won't get rid of them. You outeight propose entrenching a fascist Republican majority, for some undetermined amount of time, until your fantasy comes to fruition, and then unironically claim I'm the fascist supporter? You're hilarious. Trump was blamed for the current (2020) state of the country, and people went screaming into Biden's "more electable" arms, desperate to be rid of him, so desperate they didn't want to risk voting Bernie. Letting Trump win, having Stein possibly spoil the election, is what Dore promoted, what you are promoting. None of his fantasies came true. There's zero indication yours woukd, either. Your answer would have been to let Trump win, yet again? Because, next time it'll work, for sure. Stop pretending that a Republican, like Reagan, couldn't change all kinds of economic policies, and absolutely destroy the country for working people. It doesn't take a Democrat to pass things. You're making up more fiction, implying it does. You're the one proposing letting "to the right we go" happen, ffs. I'm proposing voters get out and vote not to let that happen. Maybe you do have comprehension problems.
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  15526.  @Fuwuzworsh  Yes, it is possible, hence the fact that there are progressives in congress. DNC shenanigans can't overcome overwhelming numbers. Nina's campaign team, for example, didn't do any canvassing, to get people out to vote. There were hundreds of thousands more potential voters in that district. Barely 70k came out for the primary, and she lost by only 4k. Yes, the corporate Dems, and their allies, threw everything they had, at her, but she had twice as much money, and could have stomped her opponent. Her team blew her money on media ads, and barely spent a dime on canvassing. That's how AOC won her district ... canvassing, canvassing, canvassing ... and barely spent a dime on media ads. Not that it matters to you Dore knobs, since King Jimmy abandoned her ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress ... because that's what "real" M4A supporters do. Hate to tell you, but the "liberal" brand was destroyed, already. And, they didn't do it on their own. Islamophobes started bashing the hell out of "liberals" after 9/11. Republicans always try to convert normal words into insults. Even Dore is using the word like an insult. Why do you still want to use "liberal", for branding? That sounds dumb. Stop pretending like Republicans couldn't get NAFTA done. Reagan had already signed a deal with Canada. Bush Sr was headed for a seperate deal with Mexico. Canadian conservatives then came in late and wanted in, to merge the deals into a 3 way deal. Bush Sr simply ran out of time. The deal was passed by a Republican majority. The majority of Dems voted against it. Stop your fiction. Republicans would have passed it, just fine, without a Dem president. You seriously think NAFTA and Glass-Steagall were worse than the Reaganomics' trickle down myth, and the massive amount of deregulation Reagan pulled off? Reagan had a big hand in destroying the healthcare system, making it so unaffordable, but now healthcare isn't the end all and be all, for you lot. The messaging from Dore, and his knobs, is incoherent. One second anti-war is the end all and be all, and passes are given for shittier healthcare policies, as long as the candidate lies about being anti-war. The next second, healthcare is the end all and be all, and no passes are given, not even for simple strategy disagreement ... anyone who disagrees on strategy is a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer", blah blah. Now, you're telling me that neither of those is of primary importance. Now, it's a foreign trade deal, and one specific deregulation that are far worse than the tons of deregulation in the 12 years before, far worse than making healthcare unaffordable, far worse than warmongering. Get your priorities in some coherent order. And, maybe add climate change, as a priority. Republicans have repeatedly rolled back environmental protections, and many still pretend like it's not a thing. Republicans wouldn't have even tried to change the healthcare system, at all. The ACA not only flattened the rate prices were increasing yearly, a little, it also added 10m poor Americans to Medicaid expansion. Numerous Republican states opted out of Medicaid expansion, for their citizens. The ACA, in no f*cking way, is more conservative than what there was before, and red states turning down more Medicaid for their poor, sure isn't samesies, let alone anywhere close to being better. I'm pretty sure you're one of Dore's far right fans, at this point. Again, vote blue works both ways. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries, tend to vote for them in the generals. It's exactly what every progressive would have wanted, if Bernie had won the primaries. It's how progressives can beat Republicans, in some tighter districts. I get it, "real" progressives don't actually want any progressives in congress, and want Republicans to rule, for decades to come. So very brave of you, to offer up poor people to be thrown of healthcare, and other, benefits. So very brave of you to offer up going completely backwards on climate change. So very brave of you to offer up those targetted by racist and bigoted policies. All for some misplaced faith you have in corporate Dems, changing their ways. If only a leftist third party can spoil an election for them (already possibly happened, twice), then they will see the light (they didn't).
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  15528.  @Fuwuzworsh  No. The fact is that Reagan had already signed a trade deal, with Canada, which was the starting point. The fact is that Bush was working on a seperate trade deal with Mexico. The fact is that it was Canada who then came in and wanted to merge the deals into a three way deal, which pushed negotiations passed the end of Bush's first term. If Bush had a second term, there's zero evidence negotiations would have magically failed and the three way deal wouldn't have gone through as planned. Everything was already in the works, and supported by the majority of Republican lawmakers. There's zero evidence it required a Democrat to finalize the deal. That's totally fiction, on your part. In 1980, US healthcare costs were rising on par with other developed nations. They started spiking before the end of Reagan's time in office. If US healthcare costs were half what they are now, that would be less incentive for businesses to move elsewhere. If US healthcare costs were half what they are now, people could better afford to weather a drop in property prices. You know Canada also lost some factories to Mexico, right? However, they don't have hundreds of thousands of people going bankrupt over healthcare costs. They don't have tens of thousands of people dying due to a lack of healthcare coverage. They don't have over a million people, like cancer victims traveling to India for chemo, for affordable healthcare. Etc. But hey, no, healthcare is suddenly now way down the list of importance, for Dore knobs. Neutering Glass-Steagall was not directly responsible for the 2008 crash. It was responsible for banks becoming "too big to fail", but had little to do with the housing market. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, was a Republican bill. Almost every single Republican lawmaker voted for it. Why the hell would a Republican president have been unable to sign it into law? Would his hand have magically dropped off, or something, if he tried to sign it? You make zero sense, claiming a Dem president was required, to do this or that. If Republicans wanted to pass it, but somehow couldn't, what was the obstacle? Have you looked at John McCain's voting record, who he picked as a VP, etc.? You clearly don't know what an "ad hominem" actually is. You should refrain from using the term. Nina has been on multiple progressive channels, since her loss. There's zero evidence she still "loves" Jimmy, since he publicly abandoned her. Some video of Jimmy's wife, talking to her sometime before they publicly abandoned her, isn't evidence she still does. Most people aren't fond of being publicly abandoned. She seems to be on the "fake", "fraud", "sellout", progressive channels, rather than his. Seems to indicate she loves those who supported her to the end, more. Again, I'm the one who wants to replace M4A no votes with M4A yes votes. Your the one that doesn't want even a single M4A yes vote in congress, and wants to let Republicans rule for decades to come. You're the one supporting an idiot who promoted tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, as the better option. Republicans are not the party of workers. Their healthcare plan will be out in a couple weeks (repeat this for years). Every single one voted against a national $15 minimum, or it would have passed. You're making up nonsense. Sounding even more like a far right fan, with every post. I know exactly who corporate Democrats are. I'm the one who wants to keep replacing them with more progressives ... force them out ... toss them in a ditch. You're the one actually proposing a fantasy that you can move them left, by letting them lose, even though there's zero evidence of their previous losses moving them left. Again ... blue, no matter who, works both ways, and is how some progressives manage to win their seats. It's the only possible way Bernie could have won a general election. I can only assume you never wanted Bernie to win.
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  15530.  @Fuwuzworsh  Rofl. You say I don't grasp things, but I'm the one, literally, calling them "corporate Dems", and I'm the one who doesn't think corporate Dems are changeable. They need to be replaced. You're the one promoting some fantasy, where they suddenly see the light, and change their ways, after losing an election (which has never happened anytime they've previously lost elections). A cult is when one loudmouth convinces tens of millions of people not to believe any other politicians, any election officials, any judges, any lawyers, any scientists, any doctors, any media ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradict the words of their supreme leader. Yeah, the Trump cult is a cult. You're definitely one of Dore's far right fans. There are already vaccine mandates for public school kids. There are already vaccine mandates for immigrants. You have to show ID to drink, drive, smoke, gamble, hunt, fish, carry a gun, etc., etc. The law makes you cover your junk in public. Businesses can require shirts, shoes, suits, ties, or whatever dress code. They can require their own ID, membership. Schools can have dress codes. You're clearly deranged and making a mountain out of a molehill. Did you know that Australia's covid death rate would translate into about 20k total US covid deaths? Instead, it's pushing 800k ... over 700k unnecessary deaths and you're crying about things that have already been going on for decades and decades. Listening to a broad, worldwide, consensus of the vast majority of scientists and doctors, is exactly not like a cult, that hangs on the word of a single, or very few, uninformed dufus. Seems like you're a fan of two cult leaders.
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  15534.  @Fuwuzworsh  Again, like I said, even if the broader progressive caucus isn't puritan enough, for you, a dozen Justice Dems, that don't take any corporate donations, is still an immeasurably better start, than starting from scratch, with a fantasy scenario. As for the broader progressive caucus, a minority doesn't have the power to pass anything they want, they don't have the power to block bipartisan bills that don't need their votes to pass. They can block some highly partisan bills, but that's it. So, if a Manchin doesn't care if that highly partisan bill gets passed, you want to see progressives take an all, or nothing, stance, and likely get absolutely nothing. You want to see mainstream media (mainstream = the media the majority of Americans consume) blaming progressives, over, and over, and over, for nothing getting passed, and think that will benefit progressives? Once again, you show your "bravery", your willingness to sacrifice those without clean drinking water getting clean drinking water; your willingness to sacrifice those without broadband getting broadband; your willingness to sacrifice making even small improvements for the environment and stick to the do absolutely nothing about climate change status quo; your willingness to sacrifice poor families having a hard time paying for childcare getting free childcare; your willingness to sacrifice the elderly, and disabled, getting home care benefits; your willingness to sacrifice the homeless, and those struggling with housing, getting more affordable housing; your willingness to sacrifice hungry children getting food; your willingness to sacrifice those who need hearing aids getting free hearing aids; etc; etc; etc. Your "I'm taking my ball and going home, because I didn't get exactly what I wanted" attitude, is so incredibly "brave". So much better, for the poor, hungry, homeless, elderly, and disabled, to get absolutely nothing, at all, than to get small improvements. Wait ... what? You harped on me about mentioning the mathematical reality of needing a majority, and now your fantasy is to completely replaced the Democratic party with some perfectly perfect puritan progressive party ... which would mean replacing the current majority. You repeatedly argued that you wouldn't need a majority, that you'd just have to make them lose enough, to force them to change (that decades of history doesn't support). Now your fantasy is to not only magically get all progressive votes, but all Democratic party votes? That's pretty ambitious, I must say. Incredibly unrealistic, and you're seeming incoherent, but ambitious nine the less. Yes, they have been challenged by the left, in primaries (when the majority of progressives do their voting), and lost to a number of progressives. Whether you accept there's 100, a dozen, 8, or even 1, progressives in congress, all those numbers are better than zero. If you don't accept there are any, then you're likely too puritan, and unlikely to work with the vast majority of other progressives, to ever accomplish anything. The constitutionality of vaccine mandates have been challenged before. None were found to be unconstitutional. You don't get a vaccine, you can't go to public school, but can go to private school = you don't get a vaccine, you can't go to work, but can start a business from home. The polio vaccine was given to millions of kids within a couple years of it being developed. Phase I testing of current vaccines started over a year ago. In your "expert" opinion, how long does it take, exactly, to deem a vaccine safe? And, actually, the covid mortality rate is about 1%, while the polio paralysis rate is about 0.5%, and the polio mortality rate is about 0.05%. Plus, the polio vaccine is also multiple shots, not just one, and they do keep track of whether your due for a new dose. There are absolutely tons of rules for the road, as well as licensing, safety standards, and insurance requirements, while the automobile accident mortality rate is only 0.25%. Not being allowed to just hop in an uninsured, unsafetied, vehicle, without a license, and go drinking and driving, without a seatbelt, driving at any speed you want, and ignoring whatever lights or signs you want, is so authoritarian, when the mortality rate is so low, am I right? The military are required to get vaccines, and take shots for this, or that, when traveling abroad. All kinds of businesses require you to wear protective gear, for your job and a bunch are mandated by OSHA (no, they didn't pull out, they're awaiting a court decision and, no, a common stay doesn't mean anything has been decided about constitutionality). Seriously, there are a crap ton of rules and laws, in society. The vast majority are no big deal, but have to be followed daily. Also, if you're eating hot dogs, eating fast food (any restaurant food, for that matter, where you're just trusting what's being handed to you), drinking pop or even tap water, taking whatever drugs your doctor prescribes, etc., etc., but then make a big fuss about not knowing exactly what's in a vaccine (that has an ingredients list) that has passed safety standards across the world, then I think you're just a big baby, and babies can't make decisions for themselves, or the community. Only some extreme health nut, who watches everything that goes into their body, and knows what every little thing is, has some unhypocritical grounds for wanting to know exactly what's in a vaccine, that has passed global safety standards. Grow the f*ck up, already. Over 700k unnecessary deaths, over 140k orphans, and you're crying about nonsense. Again, Republicans just voted against a national $15. They, and conservative Dems, just negotiated a public option out of the BBB. Keep dreaming.
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  15566.  @mroctober3583  Her PAC just helped more progressives get elected against DNC backed corporate Dems, while Jimmy was basically campaigning against Trump's only valid opponent, yet again. The organization she is a member of, the Democratic Socialists of America, have been having M4A rallies, that M4A champion Jimmy Dore hasn't been covering because he's too worried about Colbert crying or kissing Obama's (who isn't a fucking politician anymore) ass. So, you think lying, by calling her a "fake" or a "shill", undermining the credibility of the few actual progressives in congress, is great motivation is it? And what if asshole Pelosi considers it a bluff? Do AOC, and 10 others go through with abstaining and let a Republican become speaker of the house? Or do they vote for her and look like idiots? I get Jimmy doesn't give a crap if Republicans win (he has his nice new $2m house and has healthcare either way), but do all his fans agree? If Pelosi takes the threat seriously, holds the vote, it loses, then you've got yourself a list of names looking very much like the list of names you've already got, and then you campaign against those people, run progressives against them, which AOC is already doing ... you hold rallies, which the DSA is already doing ... until you get enough support to pass M4A? Why not just promote the rallies already happening, instead of stupidly worrying about Buttigieg's transportation qualifications, and spending time trashing the most progressive politians going instead of the least progressive? Why not promote those progressive candidates, instead of whining about Obama speeches (again, not a politician anymore)?
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  15570.  @jeffvonbergen291  Yeah, I do. I spelled it out. Do you have severe reading comprehension problems? The other dimwit was making out like Republicans and corporate Dems are samesies. They aren't. Corporate Dems suck, but they aren't samesies. How does sitting in an irrelevant third party do anything about Manchin? Even if you magically got enough people on board so that all the progressive caucus seats were actually some perfectly perfect puritan progressive third party, the PPPP party, here's what you'd have ... Trump as president, due to vote splitting in the general, between Bernie and Biden. One seat in the senate, and Pence as the tie breaking vote. In the house, you'd have a Republican plurality, which would only have to work with a handful of corporate Dems, to pass whatever they want. The PPPP would be completely irrelevant. They'd need to become the majority of the house and senate, to be able to pass anything. So far, the most popular third party hasn't won even a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Within the party, the progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. They could then pick the party speaker candidate, and set the party agenda for the house. If Dems are the majority of the house, that also means that speaker can assign committee seats, introduce whatever bills they want, and sideline whatever bills they want. There's more power in 15 more seats, within the party, than 100 seats outside the party. Whatever you think of current progressives, running as a Dem is very clearly the more effective way to win a seat in congress, and taking over the party is the shorter path to getting any power.
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  15611.  @Nanofuture87  Yes, it does mean that some people had zero rights in the societies that didn't recognize them as having rights. That's exactly why they had to fight to get rights. They did not come naturally, and society did not act as if they believed in some centuries old philosophy that those people had natural rights. You were originally talking about societies based on centuries of believing in such a philosophy, and now you're denying societies can have philosophies. Again, without a society deciding what is a right, and what isn't, all you have is a bunch of individuals with freedoms. Claiming land, which Libertarians believe in, violates other people's ability to freely access said land. Claiming resources, which Libertarians believe in, violates other people's ability to freely access said resources. Even Libertarians don't believe that freedoms equate to rights, cherypick which freedoms they think is a right, which they don't, and who is deserving of them. Societies have done Libertarianism, and it sucked. Only kids with money were educated. Only poor people who could find a rich sponsor could get healthcare. Landlords could charge whatever the hell they wanted. Employers could pay whatever the hell they wanted. People could claim lands that natives used to freely travel and live upon. Businesses were free to discriminate, pollute, destroy the environment, smash unions. Etc. Etc. Etc. And, no, the market didn't self police itself. There was zero indication of any widespread belief in natural rights, unless greed, making money, and shitting on the poor, is some keystone to natural rights. In an environment where property is privately owned, and almost all property is already claimed, how is being forced to abide by the rules of all the property owners, and business owners, to make a living to survive, complete ownership over yourself? Sure, you have the "right" to not deal with them, and go off and die somewhere. Big woop.
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  15612.  @Nanofuture87  I am distinguishing. That there are no rights without the recognition of rights, is evidenced by thousands of years of history. You could blather all day long about about slavery violating your rights, as you toiled in the cotton fields, but you clearly wouldn't have any rights, until they were recognized by society. Even you are requiring a group of like minded people to recognize "natural rights", to have a society based on them. Sucked, according to the natives. Sucked, according to the poor and uneducated. Sucked, according to the poor and unhealthy. Sucked, according to massive labor movements and rioting. Sucked, according to massive protests by minorities and women against discrimination. I did not mention simply that it sucked, but that there was no indication of a belief in natural rights, other than the "right" to screw people over. Are you arguing for anarcho-capitalism, or Libertarianism? The later could still have a government that sides with business owners, land owners, corporations, etc. Still have a justice system that sides with their "right" to bust unions, sides with their "right" to use children as labor, sides with their property "rights", etc. Yes, Libertarians do pick and choose which freedoms they consider rights, and which they don't. Can't you claim the property the entire apple tree is on, and deny everyone else an apple, not just your singular apple, and force them to pay for an apple if they want it? Can't you claim a water source, and force everyone else in the area to pay for water?
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  15616.  @jknowstheway1462  You know the colonization of North America took centuries, right? Likud's bloody 100 year history ... In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population. Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups. That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others. In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic). This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion. Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut". Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ... "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine." Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state. On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq. Likud platform ... 1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel) a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace." "Settlement Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone." 1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs." "The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting." All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection. That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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