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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Jimmy has a new video out, downplaying the risks of covid, called "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?".
In it, he takes hospitalization rates per total vaccinated (0.01%)and unvaccinated (0.89%) populations and compares it to a 3.4% "death rate", that is clearly a case fatality rate (fatalities per confirmed cases) from a year and a half ago. The case fatality rate is constantly changing, is different for each country, and different for the world.
He claimed he couldn't find a newer rate. Only someone who is completely inept, wouldn't be able to find the current case fatality rate. But, somehow Jimmy managed not to. Only someone who failed grade school math couldn't figure it out themselves. 800k deaths is 1.6% of 50m confirmed cases, in the US. But, somehow Jimmy, or his team, couldn't.
So, he compares these two sets of numbers, that are based on totally different math, to question whether covid deaths are being "WILDLY" inflated. You know, because a 3.4% "death rate" is so much higher than 0.9% hospitalization rate. The comparable "death rate" he should be using is the population mortality rate. 800k deaths is 0.24% of 330m total population. Again, something that's easy to find the latest numbers for, or figure out yourself, but the Dore knob team couldn't manage to do. There's nothing, at all, incompatible with a 0.24% total population mortality rate and a 0.9% total population hospitalization rate.
But, he's using his false equivalency to make out like covid is a lot less harmful than doctors and scientists, worldwide, have stated, and there's some giant worldwide conspiracy to inflate numbers, by over 10x.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@insikwakwak8299 Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. They've always been living on that land. People from England, Russia, and Germany, offered to take half the land they lived on, and let them keep half. That's colonialism. Plus, if you "offer" partition, and the vast majority say "no", then you're clearly the one using force on them. The post Nakba population of Israel was 715k Jews, and 156k non-Jews. That means the 700k ethnically cleansed (started before Israel's declaration of independence) non-Jews were the actual majority, even within the borders of Israel. To believe the Zionist terrorists (Irgun and Lehi founders of Likud) had zero intention to ethnically cleanse the actual majority, would require believing those terrorists had zero intention to create a Jewish state. It's a nonsensical notion to peddle.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@steviejohnson378 In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. He also predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would react by resisting until the bitter end. The Zionists just didn't care what would happen to the natives. The ethnic cleansing involved in colonialism is already waging war.
On top of the colonialism, Zionists also resorted to terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets, amongst other civilian targets, killing many, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as heroes. They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
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@latrinemarine826 Was it wrong when the Irgun and Lehi did it? Those terrorist groups were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists and rapists as "heroes". Likud was founded by the leaders of those terrorist groups. Israelis elected both those terrorist leaders as PMs. All evidence suggests that Netanyahu is carrying on with those terrorists' Likud platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", which promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq.
Do you condemn the Irgun/Lehi/Likud terrorists and rapists, celebrated by Israelis?
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It has been the Likud goal, for 100 years.
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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When it came to Civil Rights, the Southern Republican politicians also voted against. They were equally as racist as the Southern Democrat politicians. It was the Northerners, of both parties, that passed the bills, and Southerners, of both parties, who voted against the bills.
Fed up with the Northerners of both parties, the Southern racist majority voted for a third party resegregationist, in 1968, winning 5 Southern states. Nixon then won that Southern racist majority over to the Republican party, in 1972.
These people trying to make out like the most racist colonies/states, for centuries, up and magically became the least racist states. No.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@richhopson6063 Nixon doesn't get enough credit. In the house, he was the youngest member of the Un-American Activities Commission. While running for the senate, he ran a major Red Scare campaign against his opponent. During that campaign, he also somehow convinced FDR voting, union leader, Democrat, Ronald Reagan, to drop his support for Nixon's opponent, and put him on the path to crazytown.
In 1968, fed up with the Northerners of both parties passing Civil Rights bills, the racist Southern majority voted for a third party resegregationist, winning 5 states. Nixon then won that racist Southern majority over to the Republican party. Except for giving Southern boy Jimmy Carter one shot, they've largely remained Republican ever since.
So, Nixon is the one who started collecting all the nuts into one basket, starting with the extreme anti-socialists and Southern racists. Reagan added the religious extremists to the basket.
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@jds614 The country needs a deprogramming, like Germany did.
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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The biggest failure, when it came to Yang, was American interviewers not looking into how a VAT actually works. He got away with repeatedly claiming it was a way to tax giant corporations, like Amazon. A VAT is actually specifically designed to not tax businesses, in order to avoid cascading taxes upon taxes. At every stage, the business gets to reclaim its input VAT (VAT paid on purchases), from its output VAT (VAT collected on sales). It's only the final consumer that doesn't get to reclaim their VAT paid, and ends up paying the entire tax. His VAT/UBI combo would have had money funneling to the very top, faster than ever before. Since corporations wouldn't actually pay into the UBI, as he claimed, they would have only benefitted from extra trillions being spent, making a corporation like Amazon extra tens of billions a year, and Bezos extra billions a year.
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@Zackattack94 One thing about obesity is that it's not contagious. Another is that some countries, with universal healthcare, have added junk food taxes, as both a deterrent and to help them pay for their increased healthcare costs. Similar for smokers (who can also pay fines, higher life insurance, and are pretty much banned from smoking in any indoor public spaces). So, sure, treat the unvaccinated, but maybe have them pay more taxes, pay more life insurance, and ban them from public spaces.
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@peeptbgod7047 No, no facts, at all. The terms "Philistia" and "Philistine" are as old as the terms "Israel", "Israelites", "Judah", and "Judahites". Philistia existed alongside both of those kingdoms, for as long as they existed. Israel was the most short lived kingdom, being wiped out about 120 years before Judah and Philistia, by the Assyrians. Refugees from Israel went to Judah, which is how they all became Judahites, and the term "Israelites" lost use.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@sgtwrench69 What was it Jimmy "blew up"? Some stupid Steele dossier, that intelligence agencies, and the Mueller investigation, decided themselves wasn't reliable, and didn't base their investigations on?
Multiple intelligence agencies, the house intelligence committee, the senate intelligence committee, and the Mueller investigation, all concluded Russia had interfered. Mueller indicted 19 Russians, and 3 Russian companies. The FBI, under Trump, said they were interfering again, in 2020. The Mueller report included some 200 pages outlining information sharing (collusion, which isn't a legal term) that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, and stated Manafort, Kushner, and Jr, weren't charged with criminal conspiracy because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. None of that has been debunked. They just couldn't get a supermajority, in the senate, to act on it.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@ComradeCatpurrnicus Not to mention that the vaccines have government negotiated prices, and are given out for free. That's a tiny slice of what M4A should be like, but he spreads all kinds of misinformation about covid and vaccines, plus doing his "big pharma" schtick, to make it seem like crap. He, and Max, also did a bullshit bit on myocarditis, and trashed the completely socialized UK healthcare system, while they were at it. And, Dore also peddled an unproven, more expensive, paid for out of pocket, vaccine alternative, on Rogan.
The guy is selling the complete opposite of what he claims to be for.
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His other video was called, "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?".
He cites a Gallup article, which very clearly states their hospitalization rates are based on the total population, 0.01% for the total vaccinated population, and 0.89% for the total unvaccinated population. Now, you'd think that maybe the unvaccinated being hospitalized at 89x the rate of the unvaccinated might be a big deal to talk about, but no.
Jimmy claims to have looked for a comparable "death rate". The only comparable death rate, to total population hospitalization rates, is the covid crude mortality rate. That number is easy to find, all you have to do is take the deaths per million rate and move the decimal 4 spaces to the left, 0.27%. It's also easy to do the math yourself. Apparently, the crack Dore knob team wasn't capable of doing either.
Instead, Jimmy says he couldn't find a "death rate" from the past year and a half, so uses one from a year and a half ago. The 3.4% he uses is clearly a case fatality rate, deaths per confirmed case. Aside from not being comparable to the total population hospitalization rates, a current case fatality rate is also easy to find, and also easy to work out the math yourself. Even using the wrong rate, the crack Dore knob team was too stupid to figure out the current one.
So, he takes those incomparable rates, and since 3.4% is sooooo much higher than 0.89%, he makes out like covid deaths are being "WILDLY inflated".
He's either completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, or both.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@tidus9942 You were using percentages, and then you went and threw them all away. Regressive taxes, like a VAT, are regressive because poorer people end up paying a higher percentage of their income and wealth, than rich people. What you're proposing is a horrible idea.
Other percentages, for you ... The bottom 50% own about 1.5% of the wealth, but pay about 3% of taxes. The top 1% owns about 30% of the wealth and pays about 30% of the taxes. The top 1% should be paying 60% of the taxes, double what they are now, if they were taxed at the same ratio as the bottom 50%. And, that's not even counting the shitbags who live off of stocks and options, and pay jack shit back into the system that helped make them rich.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@waltermasterson Next time you run into a "decolonizer": The other guy was right. People simply converted. Palestinians and Jews share DNA, going back a couple thousand years. Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, going back to before Philistia, Israel, and Judah, ever existed. They're Arab and Muslim much like indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. There's no indication all the current "Arab" countries were genocided, or ethnically cleansed, and completely replaced by actual Arabians, from a tiny desert country. People simply converted, and were culturally Arabized. Ironically, the Zionists are genociding what were the ancient Jews, that never left. Even the Palestinian Jews, who never left and never converted, were targeted, alongside their Palestinian brothers and sisters, by Zionist terrorist groups (Irgun and Lehi), for not supporting colonialist Zionsim. You don't get to use Palestinian Jews, who didn't want you there, that you killed, as some 1700 year old place holder.
As for a 1700 year later "return" ... that would be like rounding up millions of people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "return", claim half of England, and cleanse the "returnee" half of its current inhabitants. It's an absolutely insane idea, and still colonization. Europeans have ancient roots in Africa. They still colonized the sh*t out of it.
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@andrewwells6323 Rofl. What fantasy land are you living in?
Plant closures have not been good for the economy. That's an absolutely moronic thing to say. What economist says it's great when a plant packs up and moves to another country? If all the plants moved elsewhere, the economy would collapse.
Wages have not kept up with inflation. You're just outright lying.
Advances doesn't equate to people with jobs who can buy your stuff. If everything were automated, there'd be nobody to buy your stuff. You'd have to hand people money, like a UBI, so they could buy anything.
Those at the top would rather lay off multiple small wage employees, to save costs, rather than take a cut to their large salaries, or a cut in profits. This is also evident, everytime cuts are made.
A great depression, with widespread joblessness and people starving, is a failure. Widespread labour riots is a failure. The masses being so pissed they rise up and overthrow a capitalist government is a failure.
Wealth inequality is now at Gilded Age levels. Last time it ended in failure.
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@sprigredfrog Did I say "Trump", dumbass? Republicans have been defending anti-gay hate speech as "free speech", for years. They've defended Richard Spencer's white nationalist nonsense as "free speech". They've defended numerous gatherings, similar to the "Unite the Right" rally, hosted by white nationalists, as "free speech". The Proud Boys, just had some infighting because their combat leader wants to state clearly that they're a white nationalist group. So, I really don't care about your anecdote, about never having personally met one. The FBI has repeatedly stated that white nationalists are the biggest terrorist threat. Hate crimes by white nationalists are up. You're just ignoring all that in your calculations.
The US was founded by people who protested, rioted, tarred and feathered, destroyed private property, and eventually declared outright war, killing people, all because they didn't want to pay a new tax specifically to fund the police/military. To claim anti-authoritarianism is fascism, is beyond nonsensical. It's outright the opposite to having a police state.
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@poorboi8093 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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This event has broken Ben's mind. I'll have to ditch, if he's on reporting about it again.
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything. Ben is apparently cool with ignoring what was happening to Palestinians, and pretending everything started on Oct 7.
Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through.
Ben would be blaming the Jewish underground for the Warsaw ghetto uprising, instead of the Nazis.
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@michaelbeason8856 It seems I didn't say they pioneered simply expanding borders. So, shove your strawman.
If you don't see the similarities between Manifest Destiny, the belief that a god had destined certain people to settle all of America, and the belief that Israelites are a god's chosen people, who gave them a holy land, that's destined to be theirs again, I don't know what to say.
There is also a similarity in exact method. Most border expansions, and conquest, involved conquering a land and ruling over its people, which is why genocides, and ethnic cleansing, are treated somewhat differently. They aren't the norm. Just blathering about border expansions doesn't reflect the exact method of expansion. Moving settlers out into native territory, acting like a victim when you're attacked, then ethnically cleansing the area and expanding your borders, over, and over, and over, for over a hundred years, isn't even some standard method of ethnic cleansing. Attila just plowed through other territories pushing massive populations of Goths ahead of him. No feigning a willingness to live side by side in peace with the Goths. No acting like the victim of Goth aggression.
If you have a better example of something more similar, I'm all ears.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@gizroc How is it "opinion"? Countries like Vietnam, S Korea, Japan, Australia, and New Zealand, responded amazingly. Countries like Norway, Denmark, Canada, Germany, and others, responded decently to mediocrely. The US would have had 200+k fewer covid deaths, just responding in Canada's mediocre fashion.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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MLK Jr did not simply criticize silence. He criticized trying to placate agitators, to silence a movement, telling them not to ruffle feathers. He criticized telling those rising up to calm down and sit down.
Biden is exactly that ... "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action" ... and wants people without healthcare to sit their asses down, wants people not getting paid a living wage to sit their asses down, wants people facing racial injustice to sit their asses down, etc. Be patient. Unite behind doing nothing, or as little as possible, and be content to accept whatever you get.
"I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.
I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured."
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luke lifter A whole lot of nonsense, there.
Norway had immediate lockdowns, and a medium testing rate (tests per confirmed case). It's not the same country as Sweden. Sweden, which didn't do much, and landed itself amongst the top countries in the world for covid deaths per capita, 5-10x the rate of its neighbors, Norway, Denmark, and Sweden. Other countries with medium testing rates (like Canada and Germany) also had mediocre results, but better than countries with low testing rates (US, UK, France, Italy, Spain). You're spouting nonsense about testing. In countries with extremely high testing rates (like S Korea, Vietnam, New Zealand, Australia), it didn't lead to finding more and more cases, or deaths. It allowed them to get ahead of the spread and quarantine asymptotic carriers, leading to fewer cases and deaths.
Japan had one of the lowest covid deaths per capita rates, with just their readiness and willingness to wear masks. All the negatives you claim about mask use, would have affected them more than almost anyone else. 80% of the population has been using masks. Nothing you stated about testing is true. And, although slow, are trying to get all their elderly vaccinated by July. You're lying about them not touching vaccines.
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Start with using a more honest left-right measure, in the US. By Canadian standards, US progressives are centre to centre-left, US corporate Dems are centre-right to right of centre, and US Republicans and Libertarians are right of centre to far right. While there are a fair number of US politicians who spew far right Ayn Rand philosophy, there's no actual far left calling for complete economic equality, equal ownership of property, resources, and means of production, and an end to capitalism.
Corporate Dems aren't "left", at all. Even right of centre politicians in other countries support things like universal healthcare and gun control. Many US corporate Dems are right of them.
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@Evirthewarrior "constantly attacks everyone from the left"
No, he doesn't. He has currently been attacking a vaccine, with a government negotiated price, given to the public for free. That's, literally, a tiny taste of what M4A would be like. He, and Max, have also made a dishonest attack on the UK's completely socialized healthcare system. He has also peddled unproven, more expensive, paid for out of pocket, alternatives. None of that is, at all, leftist.
Jimmy's voting advice benefits Republicans more than anyone else. That is not, at all, leftist.
He promotes allying with "extreme free market" psycho Boogaloos, who want the complete opposite of socialism, and a civil war. They would be shooting you, if you tried to install M4A, after helping them overthrow the government. That's not, at all, leftist. Dore is the kind of "leftist" that ends up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives.
Dore is a grifter. Grifters claim to be selling you one thing, but they're actually selling you something else. He benefits the far right.
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This event has broken Ben's mind. I'll have to start ditching TYT channels, if he keeps reporting on it. His mind has left reality.
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything. Ben is apparently cool with ignoring what was happening to Palestinians, and pretending everything started on Oct 7.
Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through.
Ben would be blaming the Jewish underground for the Warsaw ghetto uprising, instead of the Nazis. By no measure, is Israel not the aggressor ... unless you dishonestly start measuring on Oct 7.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Ok Goebbels. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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It all has to do with the parties switching, which has happened over time.
Teddy Roosevelt was the last progressive, and somewhat worker friendly, Republican, with his Square Deal. When he saw the party was going to make a hard right, he tried coming back for a third run, but they didn't want him anymore. He then ran under his own Progressive Party. That was the major economic turning point, for Republicans. They then drove the economy into the Great Depression.
Also, with Jim Crow laws in the South, and industrialization in the North (which needed more manpower), millions of black Americans began moving North. That left the Southern states even more rcst, by percentage. And, as the Democratic party became the party of workers, Northern black Americans started voting for them, and running for office as Democrats. The South was so rcst that the Republicans had to run their own rcst candidates, just to win seats. By the time of Civil Rights, the divisions on the topic were North vs South, not by party. Southern Republicans voted against, just like Southern Democrats.
In 1968, fed up with the Northerners of both parties, much of the Southern rcst majority voted for a third party resegregationist, winning 5 Southern states. Nixon, already far right economically (youngest member of the House unAmerican Activities Commission, and ran a red scare campaign against his California senate opponent), then won that Southern rcst majority over to the Republican party, in 1972. Aside from giving fellow Southern boy, Jimmy Carter, one shot, that Southern rcst majority has largely been voting Republican ever since. The party was then far right and rcst.
Reagan, a former FDR voting union leader, had been put on the road to crazytown during Nixon's California senate run. He then appealed to the religious xtrmsts. Plus, the NRA took its turn, away from earlier support for firearm laws, and the Republican party also started taking in the firearm fanatics. The party was then far right, rcst, religious xtrmsts, and firearm xtrmsts.
All that being said ... they were still somewhat sane enough to work together, to keep the government functioning properly. Then came the Tea Party, and even more extreme Ayn Rand types. They didn't want government to function properly. They would like to end almost all government departments, aside from the justice system and the military. They won over the House Republicans. And, in the senate, McConnell did his obstructionism on key issues and the justice system.
All the parts were in place for someone to capitalize on all the xtrmsts having been previously gathered into one basket.
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@nathandwyer7273 Let me get this straight ... The guy who promoted Trump as the better option, wants to make friends with far right extremists, and has an increasingly far right following, isn't corrupt, and is wanted. But someone who campaigned for Bernie, instead of Tulsi, and used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and has done more for M4A in 2 years than Dore has in his entire lifetime, is corrupt, and isn't wanted?
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@Evirthewarrior The reverse is also true, Dore knob. Adding 55-64 year olds adds healthier people, than just the 65+ crowd, to the Medicare risk pool, people who would pay into it but need it less. Dore knobs don't grasp basic math.
I'm stupid? Dore vastly underestimated the benefits, claiming it would lead to a progressive wave that would "for sure" take the house and senate in 2018 (didn't happen) and the presidency in 2020 (didn't happen). He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into overt fascism (didn't happen) and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (the moon still hasn't fallen). He's a complete and utter moron, living in some fantasy land. The progressive movement behind Bernie started after an Obama presidency, dimwit Dore knob. You don't need a psycho as the head of government.
I know exactly what he said about the Boogaloo guy before he came on, and while he was on. Dore is an idiot. The dead peeps on the Night of the Long Knives were leftists, dumb dumb, that teamed up with right wingers.
You're the one who brought them up, dimwit.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@arceusthomas2447 Rofl.
a) You're moving your goalpost, dumb dumb. What you previously stated was that they didn't prevent infection, therefore they didn't work. They work by reducing infections, hospitalizations, and deaths, which is what other vaccines also do.
b) How long antibodies are effective, and how effective they are to variants, has to do with the virus, not the vaccine. Just like how a flu vaccine, made the old fashioned way, is taken once a year. Yes, there are breakthrough cases every month, during flu season. It still reduces infections, hospitalizations, and deaths. That's what vaccines are supposed to do. And, if the flu was year round, you'd also probably need 2-3 shots a year, to maintain your level of protection. That's because flu antibodies don't last as long, the flu mutates a little regularly, and there are multiple strains floating around at the same time.
Mumps antibodies last almost 30 years, but there are a fair number of variants. The vaccine is about 88% effective, and there are dozens, to thousands, of breakthroughs a year.
85% of people being hospitalized and dying are unvaccinated, and you're claiming they don't work, like a complete and utter moron.
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@Max78912 It's the most natural reaction to colonialism (a Ghandi response is quite abnormal, even though it may be the better strategy ... always make the colonialists appear to be the aggressors they are, by always being non violent yourself ... never give them a chance to fake being the victims of "savages"). And, resistance has won a number of times. When you're in it, you don't know the outcome. WWII resistance groups didn't know that Germany would eventually be defeated. They just knew that they needed to resist. Native Americans didn't know there was an endless supply of Europeans, across the ocean. The IRA military won, the IRA "terrorists" lost. The Jews of Judah rebelled against the might of the Roman Empire, with zero chance of succeeding. Not sure what Hamas expects, or if they expect anything, other than to just keep resisting.
While colonialism is the foundation for Zionism, terrorism is the foundation for Israel. Groups like the Irgun and Lehi, bombed many Palestinian markets, threw dynamite into Palestinian homes, killed many civilians, including children, and even killed Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Those terrorist groups were merged into Israel's new military and intelligence agency. The leader of the Irgun, Menachem Begin, who ordered much of that terrorism, including the bombing of the King David Hotel, was elected PM of Israel. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and to overcome your adversaries.
In the West Bank, Israel is using the blueprint for the colonization of North America. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives respond with violence, cry about being the poor innocent victims of the "Savages!", have the cavalry come in and out down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat.
In Gaza, it absolutely boggles the mind, that Israel is basically running an open air WWII fascist style ghetto. They're like the Puritans, who fled persecution in their homelands, only to turn around and persecute everyone else in the New World ... natives, other denominations, even hanging Quakers of all people, attacking other towns for being too hedonistic, etc. It really is absolutely disgusting, how they've become much like the thing they fled.
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@richardp6461 What conviction? He peddled Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A), for almost a year, outright working against the M4A candidate. Then, he peddled his pointless 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, and slandered anyone who didn't support it as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", or whatnot. Surely, outright working against M4A is worse than simply not supporting some pointless secondary tactic. Then, after making out like that was enough to write off other progressives, who agree with you on policy 99%, as allies, he promotes an "extreme free market" ancapper, who disagrees with you on most everything, including M4A, as a potential ally. Then, he abandoned Nina Turner, one of M4A's most ardent supporters ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress.
The guy flips and flops all over the place, on a regular basis. He takes whatever contrarian position he thinks will sell best, at the time.
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@robertreese1275 The grift is to sell yourself as something you're not.
He promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, for progressives. According to Jimmy, Trump being so bad, such a deranged fascist, a Trump presidency would lead to a massive progressive backlash that would "for sure" take the house (nope) and senate (nope), in 2018, and the presidency (nope), in 2020. He claimed even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda (nope), rather than follow him into fascism (they did), and Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (nope). All of his predictions were wrong so, ultimately, promoting Trump over Clinton only benefited Trump.
Promoting Trump over Clinton was also promoting tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, over adding 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion. Then he promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). Then he, again ... even after all his failed predictions ... even after Trump's incompetent leadership had a hand in the unnecessary deaths of hundreds of thousands of people ... he made out like Biden (public option + Medicare expansion) was worse than Trump (still trying to toss millions of poor Americans off of Medicaid expansion). Dore promoted the worst healthcare option, each time, and then tries passing himself off as the one true champion of healthcare, because he came up with a nonsense "plan" to have a performance art vote. He also abandoned Nina Turner (M4A), and now promotes never again voting for someone running as a Democrat. Going third party likely won't even get you a single seat in congress, in the next 5 decades, let alone get some kind of healthcare bill passed, in the next century.
He uses slander, not "truth". AOC never ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. She ran on what her own concept of a "ruckus" is, not Jimmy's. She backed 20 pro-M4A progressives, and helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, which actually moves you closer to ever being able to pass the bill, while a performance art vote doesn't actually do that. She has done more for M4A in 2 years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. He made out like he didn't know where she was, on M4A march day, when it was public knowledge that she was at rallies for Nina Turner, promoting M4A and trying hard to add another M4A advocate to congress. Why weren't M4A marchers promoting and supporting Nina? Why did Dore promote abandoning Nina, on his show ... abandoning adding another M4A advocate to congress?
Then, there's going on far right television, largely just to agree with far right talking points. There's promoting allying with far right ancap extremists, that are trying to start a civil war.
How does Dore actually benefit the left? Almost everytime he proposes actions, they're actions that seem to benefit the right ... even extreme right ... no matter that he frames it as coming from the left. You're a sucker.
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@wombatcitystudios Except there are zero far left politicians, calling for complete economic equality and an end of capitalism. On the other hand, there are multiple far right politicians, spouting Ayn Rand crap. The US political spectrum ranges from far right to centre-left. There is no real left wing in government. The "radical" progressives point at developed centrist countries to emulate, not the USSR or anarchist Spain.
Even outside professional politics, the "extreme" left is tossing milkshakes, destroying property, and getting into some fights. The extreme right is running over people with their cars, shooting up mosques, shooting up synagogues, shooting up black churches, is behind a rise in hate crimes, and behind a rise in domestic terrorism.
You seem to be spouting some false equivalency.
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No Ma'am Other way around. There are politicians that promote total Ayn Randian laissez-faire, which is as far right as you can get, economically. There is a far right in politics. There are zero politicians promoting complete economic equality, which would be as far left as you can get, economically. There is no far left in politics.
Sanders, who gets labeled "far left", points to centrist European countries to emulate, where capitalism is still working just fine, mixed with some sectors, like health care, being socialized. Saunders is actually a centrist, maybe centre-left, tops.
US politics shifted totally right of centre, with McCarthyism and the Cold War, and hasn't recovered. You are the one who seems to be in the everything left of right is left crowd. Your comment is pure irony.
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@coryddp7254 Dore promoted Trump (who ran on ACA repeal) as the better option than Clinton (who ran on lowering Medicare to 55), not caring if millions on Medicaid expansion and with preexisting conditions could lose their healthcare, not caring to get millions more on Medicare.
He thought Republicans would join the left to stop the Trump agenda, rather than joining him in overt fascism.
He thought Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan.
During the 2020 primary he didn't back Bernie (M4A). During the general, he basically ran an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, Biden (public option + lowering Medicare to 60), again not seeming to care if Trump won, not caring if millions lost their healthcare, not caring if Trump killed thousands more with incompetent covid response, and again not backing adding millions to Medicare.
He didn't know how the speaker vote actually works. He promoted that 15 progressives should "withhold" their votes (he didn't say cast protest votes). 15 abstentions + 2 unfilled seats, would lower the threshold needed to win down to 210. If the 211 Republicans voted McCarthy, he'd win.
He spouted strawman bullshit, as if AOC had campaigned on paralyzing the house, or even threatening to paralyze the house, when she didn't.
He also promotes going third party. The Libertarian party is almost 50 without ever having won a seat in congress. Dore doesn't give a fuck about the reality that going third party won't get anyone healthcare, and could just split progressive voting enough to hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems and let Republicans rule for decades, destroying healthcare even more.
He's an asshat, and doesn't actually give two shits about anyone else getting healthcare.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Andrew g Poor people, left or right, may share being in similar situations, but the ones on the right have bought into certain beliefs, like: socialized anything is bad, capitalism rules, the rich provide jobs, the unemployed are simply lazy, bootstrap stories aren't complete outliers, minimum wage is bad, etc., etc. If they were to be convinced otherwise, did turn against the rich, and started supporting things that actually help poor people, then they'd no longer be on the right.
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@thewhiterabbit498 Rofl. They let one guy convince tens of millions of them not to believe any media, any politicians, any judges, any lawyers, any election officials, any police, any intelligence agencies, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses ... anyone ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if any of them contradict Supreme Leader, Big Brother, Trumpty Dumpty. They aren't a savvy bunch.
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@60andover-timetotrain-join89 If you truly like history, here's Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@chris.kellly There's zero inconsistency in how herd immunity works. Every vaccinated person, between a high risk person, and a covid carrier, adds an additional line of protection, that the virus has to fight to get through.
Take the flu vaccine. It only has about a 50% efficacy rate, due to the multiple different strains, and it taking some guess work to determine which will be dominant strain this season.
So, at an individual level, the high risk vaccinated person is 50% protected, if they come in contact with a virus carrier. In a group, if you add another vaccinated person between them, and the high risk person is now 75% protected. Another, and they're 87.5% protected. Another, and they're 93.75% protected. That's the science of herd immunity.
Unvaccinated people, on the other hand, provide an unprotected path for a virus to more easily travel.
Not too hard to grasp.
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Yes, it does. Pakman outright didn't want to hear about any kind of context, what Israel had done prior to Oct 7, what the US has done prior to Oct 7, and threw those people, just presenting objective facts, under the bus with open Hamas supporters. He put them all in the same box. He wanted things to be judged as if Oct 7 was the first thing to happen, that Hamas was the aggressor, and that Israel was the defender.
This year alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Over 1200 Palestinian hostages, held indefinitely without charges, by Israel ... over 200 Palestinians killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians displaced due to the endless colonization of the West Bank ... and, the continued operation of an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. To make out like nothing happened, prior to Oct 7, and that Israel is a defender is just outright dishonest.
It's just a fact that Israel is a colonialist state. Colonialists are never not the aggressors when it comes to the natives.
It's just a fact that Israel is considered an occupier, and that it's against international law for the occupier to use collective punishment and settle occupied lands. On the other hand, the occupied actually have a right to resist occupation.
By multiple measures, it is outright moronic, or biased, to make out like Israel is the one "responding".
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@MrIndiemusic101 FYI, in the poll I was referring to, the number was double the national average, at 32%, in Alberta. It was double Ontario, 16%, and more than double Quebec, 11%. But, hey, go ahead and pretend like Alberta isn't our most conservative province. Pretend it's not the province that spewed forth the Reform Party, that wanted a moronic US style senate, private health insurance, anti-gay legislature, etc. In other words, tried to have a US style Republican party, that failed getting enough support in other provinces.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@Tilip Muejark The covid 1% mortality rate is 5x higher than the automobile accident mortality rate. Do you think street lights, speed limits, seatbelt laws, child seat laws, helmet laws, drinking and driving laws, licensing, vehicle safety standards, etc., are fascism?
The polio paralysis rate is 2x lower, and the mortality rate 20x lower, than the covid mortality rate. Do you think mandating the polio vaccine for public school students and immigrants is fascism?
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@JC-sf6sf Again ... you and Shapiro proved you have zero clue how interviews work. It's just a fact that interviewers are there to ask questions, not answer them ... not to be interviewed themselves. Arguing an interviewer is dodging questions, when they aren't there to answer questions in the first place, is dumb. Really dumb. Fact.
It was Shapiro who proved to be dodging and redirecting, by trying to reflect the questioning back at the interviewer, instead of just answering. Fact.
It was Shapiro who proved to be dodging and redirecting, by ranting about bias and accusing the interviewer of being a leftist, instead of just answering. Fact.
It was Shapiro who proved he's a hypocrite by being offended by "barbaric" while, in the same interview, justifying "fascist". Fact.
It was Shapiro who proved to be a whiny little bitch, by taking his ball and running home. Fact.
He was wrecked, and none of your stupid spin can change that. Fact.
Insult all you want. I originally didn't say crap about your opening derogatory remarks, so why whine like a little bitch about mine? Especially since your argument is factually dumb, by definition of the words "interviewer" and "interviewee".
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@MultiMolly21 Currently, the bottom 50% owns about 1.5% of total wealth, but pays about 3% of total taxes (a 1:2 ratio), meanwhile the top 1% owns about 35% of wealth and pays about 35% of total taxes (a 1:1 ratio). The bottom 50% are paying more taxes, as a percentage of wealth.
The top 3 billionaires, alone, own as much wealth as the bottom 50%. If you have 2 equal piles of wealth, they should each pay equal amounts of taxes, meaning those 3, alone, should be paying as much total taxes as the bottom 50%.
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@reutg6478 Absolute nonsense. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@sjwslayer7403 You're an idiot. Explain how a fetus with an unformed brain that hasn't even developed pain sensors, emotions, consciousness, etc., can suffer liked an actual child, with a conscious, aware, developed brain, that can feel pain, discomfort, fear, sadness, etc.
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@LadyMaeloraBeesbury Mate wrote a Syrian "scandal" piece, that could have been written from anywhere in the world, using Wikipedia as a source, but leaving out the info that doesn't fit your narrative. He, and Dore, have repeatedly ranted about a report that doesn't actually assign blame, that didn't even come out until almost a year after the US, and others, had bombed Syria, so had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria. He's being an idiot. Two dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that investigation, let alone the dozens of previous investigations. In fact, there was another chemical weapons use, just the month before, which had a no blame investigation, and a follow up blame assigning investigation, with zero dissenting opinions. They have made a big todo about nothing.
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@HenriFaust It isn't a science question. It's language question. People have been using gender terminology that doesn't match biological sex, for millennia. Gender represents a persona, not necessarily the physical person. Almost all Christians, Muslims, and Jews, accept their god doesn't have a physical sex, but use masculine gender terminology, for it. People have been using feminine gender terminology, to describe sexless objects, like ships, since forever.
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@LikeLikeLikeLikeLi It basically comes down to the fact that ... To win seats in the South, Republicans ran their own Southern rcst candidates. By the time of Civil Rights, the division was North-South, not Rep-Dem. Dems wrote the bills. A Dem president signed the bills. Both the Northern Reps and Dems voted for. Both the Southern Reps and Dems voted against. Fed up with the Northerners of both parties, the Southern rcst majority voted for a third party resegregationist, in 1968, winning 5 Southern states. Nixon then won that Southern rcst majority over to the Republican party, in 1972.
On the other side, with the Great Migration North, and industrialization, millions of black workers started voting for the more pro worker Dem party. That migration also left the South even more rcst, percentage wise.
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@thinkoutsidethelines8265 The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. The third party route is the longest route to your destination, next to teaming up with looney far right extremists that want to start a civil war, and would start shooting leftists once you help them overthrow the government.
The broader progressive caucus is about 30 years old and is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justice Dems have been at it for about 4 years and have helped replace about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years, and has helped replace a few more. It's clearly the better strategy, even if you think it needs better progressive candidates. It's not like going third party is guaranteed to produce perfectly perfect incorruptible puritan progressive candidates. The Green party produced Kyrsten Sinema, ffs.
Even if we imagine that you magically got a third party so popular, that every single member of the progressive caucus belonged to that party, instead of the Democrat party. What you'd have is Trump as president, due to vote splitting between Biden and Bernie in the general. You'd have Pence as the senate tie breaking vote. And, you'd have a Republican plurality, in the house, that would only have to work with a handful of the most conservative Dems, to pass whatever they wanted. They could completely ignore your third party. They wouldn't need your votes on anything. Taking over the Dem party is not only the more effective strategy, it gives you more power. If the progressive caucus can become the majority of Dems, they can pick the party speaker candidate, they can set the party agenda. If also the majority not the house, that speaker could assign committee seats, put forward whatever bills they wanted, and sideline whatever bills they didn't want.
Third party is a fantasy. Dore is a grifter, who says he's for one thing, but then takes people down a direction that's never going to get you that thing.
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Ben, you are not being totally honest about the history. In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. Nothing is "fair and square" after that beginning. Ze'ev also predicted, based on historical native responses to colonialism, that the natives would fight against it, until the bitter end.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, you left out that Israel, itself, was founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. That Israel, itself, elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun and bombed the King David Hotel. That Israel still celebrates those terrorists, as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
In the West Bank, Israel is basically using the blueprint for colonizing North America. Send out settlements into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives react violently, cry that the poor "innocent" settlers have been attacked by "savages", the cavalry comes in and puts down the native uprising, and eventually the border expands to include thisse settlements. Rinse and repeat.
In Gaza, Israel disgustingly operates an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Only the fascists thought the Warsaw ghetto uprising was led by extremists. Only the fascsists considered all the WWII resistance movements (that sometimes targeted civilians) were "terrorists". Even the totally standard allied military sometimes intentionally targeted heavily populated civilian areas, like in Dresden, to end fascism.
Very similar to the earliest years of colonizing the Americas, the natives originally welcomed Zionists, under the Ottoman Empire. That welcome was worn out, as it became increasingly clear that the Zionists weren't simply moving in next door, like other refugees. They had organizations buying land, that could never again be sold to a non Jew. Those organizations also stopped letting any non Jews rent, or even work on said land. It very definitely became colonialism. The British investigated a number of Zionist settlements, and clearly described all this in a report.
Nothing "fair and square" has been going on, for 100 years.
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@TransKidsMafia You seem confused. All, or part, of the region has been called some variation of Palestine by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks (Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be "in Palestine"), Western Romans, Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims (Filastin), Christian crusaders, Ottomans, British, and even the first Zionist congress (19th century) that wanted to create a home "in Palestine". It was Israel that ceased to exist. Even the Israelites became Judahites (Jews). Even when they wrote down their religion, during Babylonian exile, it became known as Judaism, not Israelism.
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@JoKo203 I know that Dore knobs don't grasp the words like "gaslighting" and "blackmail", but do you also not grasp the word "grifter"? Obviously, the grifter would claim to be for certain things, but the way they propose obtaining those things doesn't actually get you those things.
The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justive Dems are 4 years old and have filled about a dozen seats. AOC has been at it 2 years and helped fill a few more seats. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. In what reality would going third party get you what you want, quicker?
Even if you magically got the third party popular enough to get all the progressive votes, in the next 100 years, you'd split the Dem votes and let Republicans rule, for decades to come, after that. Trump, and Republicans, have been trying to toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion. They, literally, want to go in reverse. That moves you further away from ever getting M4A.
The directions Dore often proposes going move you further away from getting the things he claims he supports. That's the grift.
The grifter promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A), for months. Then he did an about face, and made out like not supporting a secondary tactic for a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, on M4A, was enough to slander other progressives as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", and whatnot. Obviously, supporting a non-M4A candidate is worse than not supporting a secondary tactic, and moves votes away from the M4A candidate. Slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, and getting people to follow some fantasy, moves you further away from ever getting M4A.
Then, after making out like simply disagreeing over a single secondary tactic, was enough to no longer consider other progressives allies, then did another about face, and promoted allying with psycho far right ancap Boogaloos, who want to start a civil war, and agree on next to nothing, aside from a handful of anti-authoritarian issues ... including disagreeing on M4A, which they want no part of. M4A and ancap are incompatible. Allying with loons, like that, is how "leftists" wind up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives. Who does he think they're going to be shooting, in their civil war? Ancap is all about private ownership. They'll be shooting any leftist that want public ownership.
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@Addamo You're outright lying. Dore's argument was that because Trump was so much worse, that it would cause a massive progressive backlash, and that's why he was a better option. He was wrong on all of his predictions.
AOC was, literally, just promoting M4A, dimwit Dore knob. You're still lying. Oh my, she wants Dems to remain the majority, and progressives to be in that majority, in a difficult midterm, in conservative areas where progressives got slaughtered, including ones she previously backed. I get it, you Dore knobs prefer a Republican majority. Just come out of the closet and say it already.
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@vipermad358 Firstly, that discussion was solely about the reunification of Germany, a year before the collapse of the USSR. Nobody was talking about any other countries, that didn't exist at the time. The USSR had multiple borders with NATO, at the time.
Secondly, that wasn't added to any signed agreements.
Thirdly, Rvssia itself almost immediately started trying to expand its borders back into those former SSR countries, towards NATO, starting with Georgia.
Lastly, Pvtin himself, in his very first address to parliament, as PM, lamented at the loss of those former SSR countries. He also, personally, never wanted to NOT have borders with NATO. What he wants is for NATO to not be in countries he wants to try and reclaim.
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@Halon's Razor Americans have been going by the AP call, since 1948, including Trump, who went by it in 2016, excepted victory on the 8th, accepted Clinton conceding on the 9th, and accepted an invitation to the White House on the 10th, to talk transition. He was even using their calls to brag about which states he had won on election night, this election. Ivanka even congratulated daddy, a couple days ago, when the AP called Alaska for him ... after all you whiny babies started crying about the AP doing what they've done for decades.
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@Zahaqiel What he failed to tell all the ignorant Americans, who fell for his bullshit, was that it had basically been ruled law, in Ontario, where he worked, for 16 years, and officially in the Ontario Human Rights Code for 4 years.
"In 2000, the Ontario Human Rights Commission (OHRC) released a policy on gender identity and human rights, taking the position that the ground of sex could be used to protect transgender people from discrimination and harassment."
"In 2012 “gender identity” and “gender expression” were added as grounds of discrimination in the Ontario Human Rights Code."
In all that time, he didn't rebel against the law, and didn't find a single example to support his bullshit slippery slope fear mongering.
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You don't need to guess at Likud's intent. They've had the same intent for 100 years. Likud's colonialist and terrorist origins ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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@andersonlee2755 By "truly alive", and the rest of the statement, it sounds like the op is referring to when it should count as a full fledged human life. A mindless, unfeeling, "life" doesn't really count as a full fledged human any more than a "living" sperm is. Scientists can now trick sperm into turning into an embryo, without an egg. Unless you want to ban sex, and ban men from ejaculating anywhere except into test tubes, so you can preserve the "life" of every single sperm and it's potential to become a full fledged human, then being against anything except late term abortions is somewhat hypocritical. Scientists can also now create an embryo from an egg and stem cells taken from bone marrow. If you want to protect everything that has the potential to become a full fledged human, the list is growing.
On another not, the IVF process ends up "killing" most of the embryos they creates for the process. Most don't take, or aren't used. Any anti-abortionists that aren't anti-ivf are also hypocrites.
Actually, most are hypocrites, out of the gate, since they worship a being who'd be responsible for the majority of pregnancies ending in spontaneous abortion (miscarriage), if it existed. They worship a "baby" "murderer", by their own "logic".
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@silver plate And? The super rich, living off stocks and options, don't actually have incomes to tax, anyway, and the US capital gains laws can let them go their whole lives without paying capital gains taxes (which are much lower than Finland's, even when they do).
Finnish conservatives have been underfunding the healthcare system for almost a decade and pushing private healthcare, and changes in tax laws have created a group of super rich tax dodgers. You think it's a positive to aim for being more like the US?
Even still, Finland would be considered commieland, according to US right wingers (Is that who you think you are talking to? If so, wrong channel.). Most progressives (which this channel's audience mainly is) point out that someone like Bernie is actually a centrist, in the real world, so wouldn't consider Finland anything more than that.
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They've been giving a home to crazy extremists, since the 50s, at least ... extreme anti-socialist McCarthy types, southern racists, religious extremists, Reaganomics spewing Neocons, gun nuts, Tea Party nutters, Trump cultists, Qanoners, ... it has become a party of lunatics.
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Just to clarify what "government" means, in this case ...
In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. He predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight said colonialism until the bitter end. He didn't care what would come of the natives, and claimed their colonialism was morally "good". Something that should be differentiated, is the colonialists can't ever really be "victims" of natives. Natives wouldn't be able to attack you, if your colonialist aggression hadn't put you there.
On top of the colonialism, Israel's next building block is terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. They killed many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Those terrorist groups were merged into the new nation's military and intelligence. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, terrorist leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel, as their PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, that terrorists are heroes, and now cry that it's not, and they're not ... if Palestinians do it.
Israelis have been voting for their governments, since its inception. They hold some responsibility for its actions. Due to mandatory service, almost every single Israeli is, was, or will be, a militant. Israeli militants kill Palestinians, including children, on a regular basis. Israel has hundreds of thousands of reserve militants (valid military targets) "hiding" amongst civilians, using them as "human shields". Israel also has a policy of blaming the families of Palestinian militants, and unleashing collective punishment, but cries foul, if this is done to them.
That a Jewish nation is running an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, is just about the most vile thing, about Israel. Becoming the thing they fled, is a very dark part of history.
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Again, it was a solid argument, for social media, which doesn't create its own content, and to point out that, if they want an actual public square, then it needs to be publicly owned.
The argument does not apply to media that creates its own content. That's a whole other monster. There are all kinds of regulations for creating content ... language on certain airwaves at certain times, nudity, violence, etc., etc., etc. And, there used to be regulations for news being more unbiased.
You repeatedly conflate two different things.
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@uriel7203 Fun fact: Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic.
It was the Egyptians that named the Peleset. Egypt ruled over Canaan, and the Sea Peoples, including the Peleset, pushed them out of Canaan. While invaders to Egypt, they were liberators of Canaan. They then settled, and merged with the local Canaanite population. They did not ethnically cleanse or genocide them. Then Philistia, Israel, and Judah emerged, in the power vacuum. There would never have been an Israel, if not for the Sea People "invaders", because they also crushed the Hittites, who were pushing South to try and rule over the region. All, or part, of the region has been called some variation of Palestine, ever since.
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@pizdanpula223 Rofl, so you're an "enlightened centrist", who isn't enlightened enough to know that no American "leftist" politicians are actually promoting any policies that would move the US left of Denmark, a centrist country? There's no such thing as "leftist extremists" in US politics. You, thinking there is, indicates you're pretty far right.
"Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism." ~ Mussolini
The Marxian ideal is stateless, non authoritarian, democratic, socialism. The complete opposite of that is ultra-nationalistic, authoritarian, anti-democratic, anti-socialism (crony capitalism). The main difference between Republicanism and fascism has been that Republicans have only been undemocratic instead of anti-democratic, up until they tried to completely overthrow the democratic process, and keep an unelected dictator in power. And, that wasn't just a handful of "tourists" attacking the capitol. The majority of Republicans in congress tried to overthrow it. Republican lawmakers across the country supported trying to overthrow it. Tens of millions of Republican voters didn't want Trump to concede and step down, under any conditions.
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@whyamimrpink78 Yet, those are still the measures being used to judge every other country. Those have been the measures used to judge countries, for decades. The US used to be moving forwards, using those exact same measures, rather than moving backwards, as they are now.
Cancer mortality just isn't a great measure, dumbass. If you diagnose the cancer earlier, but don't actually extend the life longer, you still get credit for the more years of surviving with cancer, post diagnosis. Infant and maternal mortality, are instead objective rates of dying. Life expectancy is an objective average age of death.
Rofl, spends most of his time criticizing sources, rather than actually arguing against what they show, and then presents AEI as a (supposedly unbiased?) source.
They aren't arbitrary. They measure exactly what they set out to measure, and that was a study using some 70+ measures, and you bip off about stupid cancer survival rates, and think you've defeated the study.
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@andrewwells6323 Lol, you're not refuting anything. You're talking about something completely different. Your overall "good economy" being good for the 1% doesn't equate to the economy being good for everyone, nor does it refute anything I said. More and more people buying cheaply made crap from Walmart who pays many employees crap wages, cheaper things packaged in bulk from Costco, or even cheaper crap from dollar stores, has put many businesses out of business. More and more people completely depend on cheap crap just to get by, while more and more wealth ends up in the hands of fewer and fewer people. That is exactly the problem I'm talking about. More and more for them is less and less for the rest. They can't buy as much with less. It won't end well. You're completely delusional if you think it will. The masses eventually, and repeatedly, getting sick of that kind of bullshit, and rising up, is pretty basic history.
There is a real world presidential candidate running on automation taking jobs. There are real world projects working on designing near fully automated societies. You could spout how looms improved the overall economy, but they put tons of weavers out of work, paid loomers less for more, and made loom factory owners rich. But, they relied on people getting incomes elsewhere to buy their stuff. Their workers couldn't afford it. You can only do that so much before there will be nobody to buy your stuff. The more and more companies that do it will leave fewer and fewer people working. Automation is really taking off. Plenty of forecasts, based on real world events, predicting a loss of hundreds of millions of jobs in coming years.
Oh, do tell, what you think turned a fantastic Roaring 20s economy ... for some ... with rising wealth disparity ... into a great depression.
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@gudmundursturluson7683 Wtf does needing to be in congress have to do with Dore promoting Trump as the better option, and encouraging viewers to vote in such a way that could only benefit Trump? You seem to have reading comprehension problems. Are you arguing zero voters actually listen to Jimmy, that he has zero influence?
Jimmy predicted a Trump presidency would result in a massive progressive backlash, that would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He predicted that even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), instead of following Trump into all out fascism (wrong). In the debate where Sam stomped Jimmy, Dore claimed that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He got everything wrong.
What was he right about, regarding "Russiagate"? The investigation didn't rely on the Steele dossier, that he blathers about. Mueller still indicted 19 Russians, and 3 Russian companies. The report provided some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, and said it didn't indict Jr and Kushner for criminal conspiracy because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. What's Jimmy's take? That the DNC, the FBI (run by Republicans for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), the Republican lead investigator, and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to make Pence president, or something?
Rofl. What makes Fauci a "pathological" liar?
"etc etc"? You didn't even give one good example to "etc etc" after.
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@detectiverick9934 Reps abandoned Teddy Roosevelt, his Square Deal, his environmentalism, etc., before he was even done his second term. That's why he ran for a third term as third party, The Progressive Party. They pushed him out of the party, before the election was even held. He knew, and was ashamed of them, while he was alive.
Reps also ran their own rcsts in the South, to win seats. By the time of Civil Rights, it was Northern Dems (Northern Dems wrote the bills and voted for) and Reps vs Southern Dems and Reps (Southern Reps voted against). The Southern rcst majority, fed up with the Northerners of both parties, voted for a third party resegregationist, in 1968, winning 5 Southern states. Nixon then won that Southern rcst majority over to the Republican party, in 1972. That's why they're the ones now protecting Confederate statues, waving Confederate flags, etc. Yeah, Lincoln would think he's in upside down world, if he saw them today.
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@shpluk Here's a brave, no mask, proud colonialist, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, Iron Wall, 1923:
"My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.
The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage."
"Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies.
To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system."
"There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised.
That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel.""
"Colonisation carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab.
Colonisation can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed."
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@TheVFXbyArt Dore knobs and their false equivalencies. Let's skip over the decades of protesting and gaining a strong majority of public support. Let's skip over that a fair number of states had already made it state law.
Parties weren't as polorized, at the time. They weren't quite sure how everyone was going to vote. It was a constitutional amendment that needed a supermajority. They knew they had majority support, but didn't know exactly how far off they were from getting a supermajority. So, they had a vote, to see. It failed. The bill was literally held back, the next session, because they saw no point in having a guaranteed to fail vote. The next session, they thought they had the numbers, but it failed a supermajority vote, by 2. Both of those votes are quite a lot different than knowingly being 100+ votes short, in the house alone, but having one for performance art purposes anyway.
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@Tilip Muejark France, Spain, and Italy, also had pretty shitty responses, especially early on. The covid deaths per capita of countries like Germany, Canada, Norway, Denmark, Finland, who had mediocre responses, would translate into 300k+ fewer covid deaths in the US. Better, but yes, they could have done even better. Those countries tended to quickly get their testing rates up to 15+ people per confirmed case (the US, UK, France, Italy, and Spain, had testing rates lower than 10 people, for some time). Countries like S Korea, Vietnam, New Zealand, and Australia, quickly got their testing rates over 50 people per confirmed case. Their covid deaths per capita rates would translate into under 20k total covid deaths in the US.
Most of the US deaths, now, are people not listening to Biden, aren't they? The same folks Dumpty encouraged to not wear masks and rise up against lockdowns.
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@kyle6232 A 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass M4A. You know that, right? What get's you closer to being able to pass it are numbers. Justice Dems have added about a dozen M4A yes votes, in just 4 years. AOC helped add a few more, in just 2 years. She was on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, fighting to add another. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress.
Pelosi actually introduced the M4A bill, just last session, where it died in committees, that Jimmy thinks are unimportant, where 90% of bills die. He could have been "pressuring" committee members throughout the pandemic, to take up the bill. Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill, this session, where it's again sitting in committees Jimmy doesn't think are important. He could be "pressuring" committee members, to take up the bill, right now. Instead, he's going after M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, who have done more for M4A, in just a few years, than Dore has in his entire lifetime.
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@josephpeeler5434 Any government involvement in the economy doesn't make it fascism, dumbass. Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, and others, were backed by business leaders, large land owners, and even royalty and nobles. Hitler promised his rich backers that there's be no real redistribution of wealth downwards. In fact, the wealth fascists seized from Jews, communists, socialists, unionists, etc., was redistributed upwards, to those rich backers. When those rich backers were worried about prominent party members who were calling for redistribution of wealth, Hitler, literally, killed them off, on the Night of Long Knives. Not only did Mussolini describe fascism as the "complete opposite of Marxian socialism" (non authoritarian stateless socialism), which makes it authoritarian hyper nationalistic capitalism, but he also described it as opposed to democracy. I don't recall FDR doing away with democracy, like the others, and right wingers keep calling past, and current, New Deals socialistic. Please don't tell me you're one of those utter morons who thinks fascism is a variation of some kind of socialism.
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Ben supports Likud.
Likud was founded by Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun terrorist group, murderer of civilian Palestinian men, women, and children, murderer of Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism), and bomber of the King David Hotel. Israelis elected that terrorist as their PM. Israelis still celebrate those terrorists, as "heroes", to this day.
Likud was also founded by Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages.
Likud's original platform, "between the sea and the Jordan" ...
"The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
There is zero indication that Likud, Netanyahu, isn't still working towards that goal, with the endless colonization of Palestine territories.
Ben is a supporter of terrorists, illegal colonizers, war criminals, occupiers, and the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people. He's a disgusting piece of trash.
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@mp22893 To be more clear, he is also a grifter. Like a snake oil salesman, they claim to be selling you something beneficial, but they're actually selling you something useless, or even harmful.
Sure, he says he's in favor of universal healthcare, but the way he promotes trying to achieve it, is the opposite direction. He literally promoted not voting for Nina Turner, not voting to add a pro-m4a vote to congress, when adding enough votes to congress is the only way to ever pass it. He promotes going third party, when all that will do is help Republicans get elected, who want to go the opposite direction. He spent much of COVID trashing the UK's completely socialized healthcare system ... promoting over the counter, out of pocket, "alternatives" to a vaccine covered by the government (a little taste of socialized healthcare) ... he doesn't actually give a f*ck, if anyone ever gets healthcare coverage.
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UBI is a good idea, but his methods for how to fund, and distribute, a permanent UBI were terrible. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation. Without giant corporations paying into the dividend, as he falsely claimed they would, then they'd only get the benefits of the dividend being spent, funneling money to the very top faster than ever before. And the fact that some very poor people, especially some permanently disabled people on both SSI and SNAP, would be no better off, or even worse off, with his not having UBI stack with either, was nonsensical. Meanwhile, people making hundreds of thousands a year would have a bit more shopping spree, or vacation, cash.
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@DanNorton1 <- Lol, this guy doesn't like an actual debunking on his channel, and deletes or blocks them.
I pointed out the fact that Ayn Rand wasn't an anarcho-capitalist, that she actually criticized them, and that she never argued for zero taxes ... She instead argued that it was an objective fact that everyone wanted a basic skeleton government, justice system, and military, so taxes for those basics weren't coercive. Clearly, she just made that up, because it was her subjective preference. Those very anarcho types prove her wrong. Plus, people who don't want to fund police, at least not as is. Plus, people who don't want to fund the military, at least as is.
After the thread with that reply was deleted, I mentioned the deleting in another thread. He claimed he'd welcome a respectful debate about it, but now I can't reply at all.
This mighty defender of Ayn Rand doesn't even know what she actually proposed. 😂
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@michaelknight2897 Like the 80s? Conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people for millennia, and still do, or try to, and have never had a problem with using the law, or military, to do it. There's still a government agency protecting delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. It has only been 6 years since the Supreme Court uncancelled gay marriage across the country. Right wingers, including corporate Dems, have passed anti-bds laws.
You lot have lost your marbles. Giant corporations, run by centibillionaires, aren't even left wing. The left would like to tax the living hell out of them They're being protected by the right. Giving giant corporations so much power, in the first place, was right wing. There being no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property is a long-standing part of private property ownership, which is right wing. If you don't have a right to be on their private property, then you don't have a right to be on their private property spewing whatever nonsense you want. They're the equivalent to private clubs, with memberships, and rules for membership. Private clubs have been revoking memberships since always. If Trump kept walking into the ladies change room at a golf club, got tons of warnings that the average person wouldn't get, and finally lost his membership, that would be totally his own fault.
If you actually want free speech rights on social media, I'm pretty sure the left will back you on public ownership. Let's do it.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Aaron Dickson You know you're in a cult when, your cult leader convinces tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any judges, any lawyers, any law enforcement, any intelligence agencies, any other politicians, any election officials, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses ... anyone ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if any contradict said cult leader.
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Yeah, the issue is that "Latino" isn't really an ethnic grouping. It's a geographical grouping. Latinos come in wt (predominantly Spanish ancestry), blk (predominantly African slv ancestry), native (predominantly indigenous ancestry), and mixes of those. Over half of the Cuban migrants came over in the first few waves of predominantly wt Batista family members, government members, mltry, and those who got rich under him. Can't get much wtr than Ted Cruz. The Spanish almost completely gncdd the islands, leaving almost only wt and blk on the islands. Meanwhile, Latinos from Central/South America are predominantly natives, or at least a mix.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@AnnoyingCritic-is7rp "Harris was born on Oct. 20, 1964, at the Kaiser Permanente Hospital in north Oakland."
Born in Oakland.
"For around six years, Harris lived above a daycare facility on Bancroft Way in West Berkeley, an area known as “the flatlands” that was a center for the city’s Black population. The home is about 2.5 miles away from Thousand Oaks Elementary School, where she was bused as part of the city’s desegregation program."
A little apartment over a garage converted into a daycare, doesn't sound ritzy, to me. She, and her mom, both lived in Oakland, upon returning to the US, as well.
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Weird. I've noticed that most top models, musicians, actresses, and other entertainers, considered attractive by most, lean towards being liberal, inclusive, etc. In fact, I've also noticed Republicans going on and on about these "left wing" "Hollywood elite" types, all the freaking time. I've also noticed that more centrist countries (which are left of the US) have a lot more fit people, and much less obesity, on average, than the US. I've also noticed obesity maps of the US, and the most obese states tend to be red states. But hey, I'm sure he's onto something ... or on something.
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@Tetrahfy 1. First Step has been shown to benefit wht prisoners more, and did nothing about the front end problems, of being arrested at higher rates, charged at higher rates for similar crimes, being convicted at higher rates, and being sentenced for longer times. Blk Americans still have to face all the front end problems, and now wht prisoners are getting their sentences reduced more than blk prisoners, actually increasing the sentencing discrepancy, with First Step. Incarceration rates started going up in the 70s, with Nixon's W on D. They spiked further, when Reagan supercharged it. Every Dem state, that has legalized mari, has kept more blk Americans entirely out of prison, than Trump.
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In the US, there are about as many vehicles owned as firearms. However, unlike firearms, vehicles are used, on average, 2 hours a day. They now kill fewer people than guns. And, the vast majority of the time, simply get people from point A to point B ... their intended use. Relative to vehicles, firearms are rarely used, and yet they now kill more people, and they have no other intended use, except to shoot things. They are, by far, the more dangerous object.
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@chestervirgil7968 Rofl. Some 20 people showed up in DC for the ftv rally. During the latest M4A rallies, AOC was campaigning for Nina, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Dore, and his Dore knobs, abandoned her ... abandoned actually moving you one vote closer to ever passing the bill.
The $15 got a vote, even passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and got a senate vote. Didn't you pathetic good for nothings pretend like just getting a vote on an important progressive policy would be great, pretend like getting a list of no voters would be great ... and now, what? Weren't you supposed to do something amazing with the optics and the list? Yet, you lot just keep whining and slandering those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it.
Lol, you Dore knobs can't seem to make up your little minds. A bunch of you ridiculously try and make comparisons to women's suffrage, or civil rights, and yet you're here whining that a politician should be doing all the work for you. So, you're nothing like the women's suffrage or civil rights movements.
Dore benefits the far right more than the left and, either that's why you like him, because you're one of his many right wing fans, or you're being grifted and are the kind of "lefty" that ends up on the wrong end of a Night of the Long Knives.
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@JC-sf6sf Fuck you're clueless. Shapiro didn't address the Georgia laws, at all, and instead had hissy fits about bias, never answering the questions.
Shapiro didn't address whether, or not, he was part of the problem with American political discourse, which his book is about, and instead whined that a UK interviewer used the word "barbaric", trying to imply irony/hypocrisy on Andrew's part. But, a UK interviewer has nothing the fuck to do with American discourse, so it's impossible for his question to be ironic/hypocritical. It was a total dodge and misdirection by Shapiro ... another total fail at trying to gotcha Andrew.
Ben makes out like he has nothing to do with videos that have "DESTROYS" in the title. That's just an outright falsehood. He has a bunch in his own Twitter and YouTube. He wrote a fucking book with "Destroy" in the title. He's a little weasel, who totally dodged that question with dishonesty.
I don't give two craps about the BBC. Say whatever you want about it. Yet more misdirection, from you, won't change the fact that Shapiro fell flat on his face, had a little tantrum, and ran away.
Your boy is an idiot.
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@Evirthewarrior No he's not. Grifters claim they're selling you something beneficial, but they're actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful. All the directions Dore has proposed going, since 2016, actually get you no closer to, or further away from, M4A and socialism.
Intentionally skipping all pro vaccine content in articles, and only focusing on the negatives, is intentionally portraying vaccines in a more negative light. Dishonestly comparing total population hospitalization rates to a year and a half old case fatality rate, to portray covid deaths as "WILDLY inflated", promotes that covid is far less deadly than it actually is, and that vaccines aren't as necessary as people think. Lying about an article on children and covid, and outright being against vaccinating children, is blatantly anti-vax for children. Making out like there's some big pharma conspiracy, regarding vaccines given out for free and prices negotiated by government (representing a tiny sliver of what M4A would be like) is both anti-vax (making out like it's a pure profit motive) and anti-M4A. He also not only dishonestly promoted that an unproven drug is an effective remedy, but also that it's an effective preventative, which promotes a false alternative to vaccines. Between that, and being fine with Rogan's $2000+ "kitchen sink", Dore is promoting more expensive, and paid for out of pocket, alternatives. Dore has harped on vaccine side effects, like tinnitus and myocarditis, while, like Rogan, ignoring that covid causes those far more often (myocarditis over 6x more, tinnitus thousands of times more). He and Max misrepresented what was going on with the UK healthcare system (a completely socialized system, even left of M4A) and vaccines for kids, promoting a negative light on both vaccines and socialized healthcare.
He's a grifter, ffs. People have to be complete and utter morons, to not see it, by now. Or, are his numerous far right fans.
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Higher unionization, higher wages, successful retraining programs, universal healthcare, free college, mandatory parental leave, more paid vacations, double the percentage of the population working public jobs ... prepared for, and even welcoming, automation.
https://www.boyden.com/media/automation-and-jobs-the-swedish-perspective-3770222/index.html
But, hey, if you prefer someone who doesn't even know how his key tax works, all the power to you.
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@ComradeCatpurrnicus Nothing arbitrary about picking the beginnings of clnlism. Clnzers in North America portrayed themselves as the poor innocent victims of native "Savages!", or "Heathens!", for centuries. People bought the propaganda and, in turn, thought what was done to the Natives was perfectly fine. If you don't step in and say, "Umm, no, you did your clnzing first", then they keep falsely claiming to be on defense. Americans were fed propaganda, about Iraq, and 80% were perfectly fine with invding another country and klling hundreds of thousands of its citizens.
Look, if you don't want to read it, just don't. If you think it's not useful, then surely whining about its length is even less useful. Go debate a Znst somewhere.
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@mickelcsaszar3244 That's basically the definition of hypocrisy ... my people can do it, but you can't. A god's laws aren't objective. They're based on that god's subjectivity, and people just accept them as absolute. It's not all that different than any dictator .. anything they say is good is good, and anything they say is bad is bad. If they order genocide, it's good. If they say it's okay to own slaves, it's good. If they say those people are bad, they're bad. If they say doing X is bad, then doing X is bad. Etc. Etc.
According to the book, he literally orders bashing people's heads in with rocks, if they do multiple other things wrong, and spits out over 600 laws about what to do, and what not to do. Ordering to bash someone's head in, for collecting firewood on a Saturday, but not ordering to bash someone's head in, for owning other people, seems morally bankrupt.
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@AndrewShepherdODAS They don't know. They're all over the place.
They say gender and visible biology must match, but they've been using masculine gender terminology to identify their sxlss g0d, for thousands of years.
Alabama's SC rules life begins at fertilization. But that means we all start life sxlss (because no biological parts), or female (because only the mother's female X chromosome expresses for about the first 7 weeks).
They say gender must match birth certificate sx, but then argue someone whose birth certificate says they're female is actually a male, because XY.
They say men can't give birth, but then an XY Swyer Syndrome person, who can give birth, is then a woman.
They say XY = man, but then some don't match birth certificates, are born with vjjs, can have monthlies, and can give birth.
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@johnq8552 Nobody ran on threatening to paralyze the house. AOC helped add a few more yes votes to congress. She was just on the ground in Ohio trying to help add one more. You know getting enough yes votes is the only way to ever possibly pass a bill, right? If you don't consider adding numbers to be fighting for it, then you're cuckoo for cocoa puffs.
Weird. Progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. It actually passed the house, which they belong to, and got a senate vote, as well. After making out, for weeks, like getting a vote on an important progressive policy, and getting a list of no voters, would be some massive accomplishment, Dore and his knobs completely flipped, acted like getting a vote on the $15 was useless, and have done absolutely nothing with the list of no voters, except keep bitching about those who voted for it. Insane.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Don't listen to Ryan and dam...
Huxley was a scientist, above all else. He saw the scientific method in picking apples at the market. The agnosticism he defined was a belief in that scientific method, and it amounted to a form of demarcation. No objective testable evidence = a subjective unfalsifiable claim. Results: unscientific and inconclusive. No belief as to the truth, or falsehood, of the claim. It is not compatible with athe-ism, the belief gods do not exist, or the-ism, the belief gods do exist.
“I say, strive earnestly to learn something, not only of the results, but of the methods of science, and then apply those methods to all statements which offer themselves for your belief. If they will not stand that test, they are nought, let them come with what authority they may.”
"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe."
He outright considered it "immoral" to form beliefs about objective truth claims without any objective evidence. So, no, not compatible with believing gods exist, or don't exist.
"That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe, without logically satisfactory evidence; and that reprobation ought to attach to the profession of disbelief in such inadequately supported propositions."
And, no, he didn't define it as some oxymoronic gnostic agnosticism that claims to know something is eternally unknowable or claims to know that nobody else knows either.
"The extent of the region of the uncertain, the number of the problems the investigation of which ends in a verdict of not proven, will vary according to the knowledge and the intellectual habits of the individual Agnostic. I do not very much care to speak of anything as “unknowable.” What I am sure about is that there are many topics about which I know nothing; and which, so far as I can see, are out of reach of my faculties. But whether these things are knowable by any one else is exactly one of those matters which is beyond my knowledge, though I may have a tolerably strong opinion as to the probabilities of the case. Relatively to myself, I am quite sure that the region of uncertainty–the nebulous country in which words play the part of realities –is far more extensive than I could wish."
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@IV_97 Right, so they care more about bullshit than they care about working people and their struggles. Are you just concerned the op said they don't care, at all?
And it is bullshit, because they aren't protesting IVF, which ends up not using a ton of fertilized eggs, on top of the many that don't take, killing them. Plus, studies now show that the majority of pregnancies end in spontaneous abortions (miscarriages), so they're actually worshipping a being that, if existed, aborts the majority of pregnancies. They don't actually believe embryos and newborns are samesies. They don't actually believe aborting embryos and fetuses is objectively wrong.
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@smartass0124 Hey, dumb dumb, when one guy convinces tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any politicians, any election officials, any judges, any lawyers, any law enforcement, any doctors, any nurses, any scientists ... anybody ... even convinces them not to believe their own lying eyes, if any of those disagrees with Supreme Leader ... then it's a cult.
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@annast9172 These ones?
"When the Israelis left Gaza, half of the greenhouses were dismantled by their owners before leaving because they doubted they would receive compensation.[12] Afterwards Palestinians looted the area, and 800 of 4,000 greenhouses were left unusable,[13][14] while, according to Wolfensohn, most were left intact.[15] Subsequently, the harvest, intended for export via Israel for Europe, was lost due to the Israeli restrictions on the Karni crossing which "was closed more than not", leading to losses in excess of $120,000 per day.[15] Economic consultants estimated that the closures cost the agricultural sector in Gaza $450,000 a day.[16] Israel closed the crossing citing security concerns."
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@timtpr7104 Oh boy, a plan to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, by paralyzing the house ... delaying new covid relief, new unemployment extension, new vaccine funding ... during a pandemic, if they don't do what you want. You Dore knobs know that Pelosi introduced the M4A bill just last session, right, and it died in the committees Jimmy doesn't think are important. Where was the pressure on committee members to take up the bill? She has already reintroduced the bill this session. Where is the pressure on committee members to take up the bill?
Progressives did get the $15 to stay in for a round of voting, it actually passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also got a senate vote. Suddenly, just getting a vote on an important progressive policy wasn't worth anything to Dore knobs. Suddenly, getting a list of no voters wasn't worth anything to Dore knobs. Just keep bitching about, and slandering, the most progressive members of congress.
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@brandonlehmann8899 Will learning any of your 'whatabout those other people' history change the fact that white men running federal, state, and local, governments, stripped black Americans of any rights? Will it change the fact that the majority of white citizens in slave owning states voted to keep slavery for almost 100 more years after independence? Will it change the fact that the Confederates enshrined owning black people into their constitution? Will it change the fact that the majority of white citizens in those former slave owning states then voted for segregation for another 100 years? Will it change the fact that all the politicians from those states voted against Civil Rights? Will it change the fact that all those majority racist voters, who had been voting for racism for almost 200 years, became disgruntled with Northern Democrats for passing Civil Rights and started voting for Republicans who were pandering to their racism? Will it change the fact that millions of black Americans migrated out of those majority racist states to less racist states, joined the Northern Democrats, have the most representation within that party? Will it change the fact that some of those former slave states still have Confederate 'Heroes" Days, still use Confederate symbols, still memorializing Confederate racists who were willing to kill and die for the "right" to own and abuse other human beings?
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Yang has always been on the side of corporations. He's bullshitting Americans, telling them a VAT will tax corporations like Amazon, when a VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax them. If you don't have Amazon pay into the UBI, since their share of US consumer spending is 2%, handing consumers $3t will only make Amazon an extra $60b a year. That'd make Bezos something like $6b extra a year, far more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT. His "plan"would make giant corporations and the super rich even richer, and increase wealth inequality, while leaving some very poor people worse off. He's not a progressive. He's skipping the things other countries do to make corporations pay in, like the things Bernie is proposing.
"a consumption tax because it is borne ultimately by the final consumer. It is not a charge on businesses."
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en
"Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption."
http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
Even Amazon, who he falsely claims a VAT will tax, has their own tutorial page on "How VAT works in Europe" and "How to claim back VAT", proving him to be a liar.
https://services.amazon.co.uk/services/vat-resources.html
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@Disaletteritis These are far right loons, who represent less than 1% of Canada's hundreds of thousands of commercial freight vehicles. They have been denounced by the Canadian Trucking Alliance and the Canadian Teamsters. By blockading entry points, they caused shortages, that put thousands of people out of work, and will likely affect prices, both of which hurt the working class, and the poor, most. They're led by former picket line busters, who also harassed native protesters. They're pathetic losers "fighting" to have Canadians hospitalized and dying at a 3x higher rate, like the US. Workers fought for decades for health and safety standards, so the owners couldn't force them to take unnecessary risks. Nothing about this is for workers. It's purely about the self interests of lunatics. They're self centered spoiled brats, having a temper tantrum, because they're afraid of a little needle.
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Right. They have to believe that the most racist states in the country ... where the majority of white voters voted in pro slavery, anti abolitionist, leaders, for about 90 years ... where they seceded and were willing to die and kill for the "right" to enslave, beat, rape, torture, and kill, other human beings ... where they then voted in pro segregation, anti desegregation, leaders, for another 100 years ... all suddenly up and became the least racist states in the country, electing the least racist party. It couldn't possibly be that racists from those same racist places started running as Republicans and all the same racists started voting Republican.
Anyone who can't see the switch is insane.
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@rtorres4132 The Republican party has been giving a home to extremists, since at least the 50s ... extreme anti-socialist McCarthy types, southern racists, religious extremists, Reaganomics, gun nuts, Tea Party nutters, science deniers, Trump cultists, Qanoners ... it has become a party of lunatics. And there's as much, if not more, corruption amongst Republican politicians than corporate Dems. They'll take in any psycho, or criminal, if it gives them a chance to win. It doesn't really matter what Democrats or progressives do.
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Yes. Democracy is just math, in the end. Look at Canada, with only 3 viable parties, where the NDP is basically like progressives split off from Democrats (Liberals). The Conservative party only has a popular majority in 2 provinces, and yet they can win the majority of seats in more provinces, and even federally. You need the right to split into multiple parties, as well, or you're just screwing yourself. I'd prefer seeing our Liberals and NDP unite, and never see Conservatives win, outside those 2 provinces, ever again.
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@ajaxaceofaces So Jews and Muslims fleeing the Christian Spain, where they were given the options of conversion, death, or exile, fled to the Ottoman Empire, which took them in. Where Jews lived for centuries. An empire that okayed limited Zionism. An empire that decriminalized homosexuality when many Christian countries still considered it a crime or mental illness. Etc. An empire that was as, or more, liberal than a number of Christian empires.
The West took that empire and carved it up into little countries. The Brits handed most of their bits to backwoods ultra-conservative Wahhabi dictators. No, they didn't create the ultra-conservatives, but they did put them in power. The French left a democratically elected government in Syria. It voted against an oil pipeline, so the US backed a coup to take them out. In Iran, a democratically elected PM was taking power away from the puppet dictator Shah, and was going to nationalize Iran's oil, so the US and UK backed a coup to take him out. In Iraq, a popular revolutionary had overthrown their puppet dictator, and was going to nationalize Iraq's oil, so the US backed a coup to take him out. In Afghanistan, communists overthrew their puppet dictator, and wanted to increase education and women's rights to the poor, so the US backed and trained religious extremists, including Bin Laden, to take them out. Etc. Etc.
The problem with being more liberal, is that liberals will also tend to lean more left economically. The West has been taking out the more liberal Muslims, backing the more conservative Muslims, and poking their noses in ME affairs, pissing many of them off.
You, seriously, don't think the US has fueled any hatred against itself? Supporting an Israel invasion of Lebanon wasn't what pissed people off, and got them bombed in Beirut? Bin Laden didn't list US intervention as a reason to declare war on them? Iranians didn't blame the US for decades of support for the dictator Shah?
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@alexlifeson1321 Ze'ev Jabotinsky, a leading Zionist, in 1923, fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. He also predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the native response to said colonialism would be to fight it until the bitter end. He did not state these facts to deter people away from Zionism, which he argued was morally good. He was basically pointing out that, to support Zionism, you have to not care about the consequences for the natives. Was Ze'ev, a Zionist himself, anti-Semitic?
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This event has broken Ben's mind. I'll have to ditch, if he's on reporting about it again.
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything. Ben is apparently cool with ignoring what was happening to Palestinians, and pretending everything started on Oct 7.
Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through.
Ben would be blaming the Jewish underground for the Warsaw ghetto uprising, instead of the Nazis.
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@quadkidnate6370 Jews lived relatively peacefully with Muslims for 1300 years. They were given refuge when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. The widespread tension began with the colonialism. Native Americans reached a point where they wanted to push the white man back into the sea, and it wasn't simply because he was white. It was because of all the negative things they came to associate with being white, because of what had been done to them.
Israel has made it very clear that they don't want peace until they own the whole thing, and as long as there's a conflict they can deny Palestinian rights. Netanyahu was the one who promoted, and even helped fund, Hamas, to avoid possible peace and an official Palestinian state. He is constantly supporting new settlements. I think the Palestinians should throw a wrench and just surrender, declare the Israeli government to be theirs, demand equal rights, and the right of return for Palestinian refugees, now that the conflict is over. If not, Israel will just continue to colonize and beat the shit out of them, for as long as they can get away with it. Which could be another 100 years, with the help of the US.
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@Nick-o-time She literally votes against the defense appropriation bill, every time. You want her to vote against the entire budget, including SNAP, Medicaid, Medicare, SS, education, housing, etc., etc., etc.
She also votes against the State Department appropriation bill, that includes the annual aid to Israel.
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@mpgallogly I talked policy, and you ignored me. Trump dropped more bombs than Obama, ffs, and they kept blathering on about some completely irrelevant UN report. That UN investigation didn't even start until after the US bombed Syria. It was a no fault finding investigation, so didn't even blame Syria. Plus, the final report didn't come out until almost a year later. It had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria. Why weren't they spending all their time attacking Trump, for deciding to bomb Syria?
Plus, they attack people for simply accepting that Assad is a brutal dictator that has used chemical weapons, as if that makes people CIA agents. In reality, it's quite possible to both accept that Assad is a brutal dictator, and think that the US shouldn't be unilaterally, or with tiny coalitions of the willing, intervening in other countries. You can criticize leaders of both countries, instead of going out of your way to kiss ass with a brutal dictator.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Steve Austin Trump also funded Israel. Trump made out like American Jews not backing Israel were traitors. He okayed continued colonization. He recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capitol. None of those reduced tensions, they only increased tensions. As mentioned, he also dropped more bombs than Obama. There wasn't less violence in the ME, under Trump.
Trump's best economic year was his first, while Obama's last budget was still in effect. By his own favorite measure, the stock market, it almost flatlined after his first budget, with his tax cuts, came into effect and he started his stupid trade wars. The "tough guy", Mr deal maker, lost a trade war with Trudeau, ffs.
Trump had one better border crossing year than Obama. The rest were worse. There was a huge spike in 2019, that dimwit Republicans just ignored was happening. This current spike surpassed every month of Obama's back in September 2020, under Trump. He was no better on border crossings. He was just crueler to the crossers.
There's actual evidence of Trump making millions in China. He also made millions from selling a Trump tower condo to a Chinese lobbyist, and millions renting a property to the Bank of China. That would be the same Bank of China that Mitch McConnell's sister in law is on the board of, that gives loans to his other sister in law, who runs a shipping company that buys its boats from the Chinese government.
Considering all the bullshit you spouted. You being a former Democrat is likely also bullshit.
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Yang's foundation is flawed. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation. It's a sales tax, collected in stages, with all the business stages getting to reclaim their input VAT.
Since his dividend wouldn't actually have corporations paying into it, as the Alaskan dividend does, a corporation like Amazon would only get the benefits of the dividend being spent. Yang would make Amazon extra tens of billions a year, which would make Bezos extra billions a year.
It is only progressive on the surface, but would increase inequality, increase money flowing to the top to be hoarded, increase money being invested into automation, etc. ... all at an even faster rate than is happening now.
How a UBI is paid for matters.
Also, LA has tested a public option, and that doesn't get you universal coverage anytime soon, if ever.
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"Sanctuary cities!", are they mostly in red states, or something?
Top 10 crime rates ...
New Mexico 6,462
Louisiana 6,408
Colorado 6,091
South Carolina 5,973
Arkansas 5,899
Oklahoma 5,870
Washington 5,759
Tennessee 5,658
Oregon 5,610
Missouri 5,605
Top 10 homicide rates ...
Mississippi 23.70
Louisiana 21.30
Alabama 15.90
New Mexico 15.30
South Carolina 13.40
Missouri 12.40
Illinois 12.30
Maryland 12.20
Tennessee 12.20
Arkansas 11.70
Also, the crime rate for undocumented immigrants is about half the rate of natural born Americans.
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@wvu05 I've asked 1 before, too, without getting many answers. A couple pointed at the 50s ... when the US was 40% unionized and there was a high marginal tax rate, lol. Oh, and they didn't mind the segregation.
Yeah, Trumpets seem genuinely clueless as to things Obama did. They don't seem to know that the economy has been on the same trajectory it is now, since 2009. They don't seem to know there has been a negative net undocumented migration rate, for about a decade. They don't seem to know the ACA, which polls well with them, is "Obamacare", which polls badly with them. They try to claim their hate for him isn't just racism, but they don't actually know specifics policies, to hate.
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We don't want to see Likud in charge of Israel anymore. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@beng2729 Why do you keep insisting on lying? All, or part, of the region was called Peleset, Philistia, Philistine, Palestine, or some variation thereof, by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks, before the Romans. Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be "in Palestine". It was the Hasmoneans, who renamed it Judea (and not Israel). The Romans put the name back to Palestine.
It's "Israel" that ceased to exist as a descriptor, for thousands of years. Even the Israelite refugees to Judah stopped calling themselves Israelites, and became Judahites (Jew being the Europeanized version). That's also why, when they created their religion in Babylon, it became known as Judaism, not Israelism.
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Murchad99 Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I very clearly just posted that agnosticism is a position of no belief. That makes it not compatible the(os)+ism, the belief gods exist. That also makes it not compatible with athe(os)+ism, the belief no gods exist.
And, don't bother trying to rope me into an a-theism definition. I'm not a fan. Those promoting an a-theism definition, like George H Smith and Antony Flew, totally acknowledged that their's was a new, or uncommon, usage. The Oxford Handbook of Atheism, which prefers Flew's terminology, still acknowledges that the narrow athe-ism definition is still more common. Also, on surveys, more non-theists choose "nothing" or "agnostic", rather than "atheist", indicating that even most non-theists aren't using the a-theist label to describe themselves. That an a-theism definition exists, doesn't men I have to use it. You may consider me one, but stop acting like people have to call themselves one. Personally, I think it makes for an illogical convoluted mess of a labelling system, and I'm in the majority of non-theists, and the majority of people who use words, who doesn't use it.
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@TheRedStateBlue Writing, and saying, things can be a crime, if you bring even one other person in on it. That's conspiracy to commit. Simply by bringing in one other person, that's enough to indicate you're actually going to try and do it. It can also be a crime if you write, or say, something to the someone you're going to commit a crime against, if the police think it's a credible threat. Someone putting out threats towards specific individuals in a book, should probably have been investigated.
With one person it's harder, but writing, or saying stuff, can also get you arrested, if you take any action that indicates preparation, or even just show up at the place in question, where you've said you're going to do something illegal. Police can arrest your for things, before you get to the last stage of carrying out that thing. You've probably seen the stings, where they arrest someone for showing up to meet an underage teen, or something.
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Call them out for what, exactly? AOC actually voted against the individual state department appropriation bill and voted against the individual defense appropriation bill. What morons, like Jackson, apparently want her to do is then vote against the entire budget, which includes healthcare, education, housing, veteran's benefits, SNAP, SSI, etc.
She also voted against the final version of the Capitol Hill police bill. Dore knobs don't seem to know that it was heavily amended, in the senate, and sent back for a second house vote.
That state department appropriation bill she voted against is what includes the annual offensive military aid to Israel. So what, if she didn't vote against a purely defensive system? She didn't vote for it, either, and it was a blowout vote. Her vote made no difference. Progressives have a bill to put conditions on the offensive military aid to Israel. They have an anti anti-BDS laws bill. They've been calling it out as an apartheid. Get a grip on reality and complain about the 400+ house members who voted for it, ffs.
So what, if they didn't force a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote on M4A? The $15, dimwit Jackson was complaining they weren't getting a vote on, already did get a vote. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. What have Dore knobs done with two precious lists of no voters? Just keep bitching and complaining about those who voted for it, like pathetic useless hypocrites.
And, learn some basic math skills. There are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives, which means it's impossible to pass a bill without Manchin. There is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from, to the right of Manchin. Bring enough Republicans on board and you can easily pass bills without needing squad votes. The squad only have leverage if a bill is "must pass", to Manchin. If he doesn't care if a bill will die ... zero leverage. If he amends a bill to the right, to bring enough Republicans on board ... zero leverage. Which bill has been "must pass", to Manchin, which he couldn't get Republicans on board for?
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Would you choose it over being run over by a car, shot up in a Walmart, shot up at church, shot up at temple, shot up at synagogue, shot up at mosque, stabbed to death by a fellow student, stabbed to death in a subway, etc., etc., etc.?
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@CV-fb9kf Backing pro-M4A progressives in other districts with your giant platform and your PAC, being on the ground campaigning for them, is going beyond the job of simply representing your district. Helping to add more M4A yes votes to congress, is exactly what needs doing to ever pass the bill. Getting enough yes votes is the only way to ever pass any bill. Slandering people who are actively fighting to increase numbers, isn't holding anyone accountable. It's simply slander.
Nobody ran on threatening to paralyze the house, during a pandemic. Dore implying they did is a bullshit strawman. Nobody ran on Dore's subjective concept of a "ruckus". They ran on their own. Him implying they ran on what he considers a "ruckus", and then went against it, is also a bullshit strawman.
Dore making out like spreading progressive ideas on social media platforms much larger than his, and battling right wing bullshit over social media, is doing nothing, while making out like he's some kind of warrior, is hypocritical gibberish.
He's not an honest actor. He's full of endless bullshit.
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Basically, take democracy to its extreme. You could still have the bureaucracies required to run large countries, if you want to keep a nation together. Those bureaus would just take orders directly from the people, rather than untrustworthy and corruptible politicians. You'd keep jobs needed to run society ... legal system, police, regulatory bodies, public works, etc. ... all answering directly to the people, and abandon jobs not really needed in a moneyless society ... banking, marketing, advertising, insurance, stock market, etc. The later, and any unemployed people would help do the necessary work, meaning everyone could work less to keep society functioning. Any automation would also mean people could work less at the remaining jobs but still get equal benefits of a functioning society.
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@moe433 Not too hard a concept. A grifter, like a snake oil salesman, claims to be selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful.
So, for example, Dore claims to be for M4A. He promoted Trump (platform: toss 10+m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as a better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion), which is going outright backwards. He peddled Tulsi M4A is unAmerican Gabbard, over Bernie, outright campaigning against M4A. He peddles sitting on the sidelines in some irrelevant third party, and letting corporate Dems and Republicans rule for decades to come, which gets you no closer to passing M4A. He publicly abandoned Nina Turner, abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, which gets you no closer to passing M4A. The government negotiated under $20 vaccines, that are then given out for free, is like a tiny taste of what M4A would look like, and he continuously sows distrust in the government and "big pharma", while peddling more expensive, paid for out of pocket, alternatives ... peddling the more privatized healthcare options. He, and Max, spewed misinformation about the UK's completely socialized healthcare system, sowing distrust in that system, which is even left of M4A.
All the directions he leads people get you no closer to, or even further away from, M4A.
Get it?
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@mariem3429 It's a saying, dumb dumb, not always literal.
https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/shoot+first%2C+ask+questions+later
I'd also call whoever's job it was to do the job I wanted them to do. That has absolutely nothing to do with your blathering about them being "heroes" for taking risks. They take fewer risks than garbage collectors. Are you going to start calling garbage collectors "heroes", for the risks they take? There you go, assuming everyone they interact with is guilty, first, is how you get shooting first and asking questions later. They should be risking their lives more, by not assuming someone reaching for their wallet is reaching for a gun, not assuming something in someone's hand is a gun, not assuming a kid has a real gun or that he's planning to use it on you, etc., dimwit. That's cowardly, not brave.
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@myroslavprotsiv9925 Rofl, what an asinine argument. So, if you forget your driver's license, you expect a pass from the cops? If you forget a proof of age, you expect a pass from a bar, smoke shop, or lottery outlet? If you forget your normal passport, you expect a pass at the border? If you forget your Costco membership, gym membership, or whatnot, you expect a free pass, to get in? If you forget your bank card, you expect free access to your account?
Forgetting an id sucks, but it happens all the time. Get a grip.
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@heidibenner1577 Action is AOC and Bernie on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the most important thing, when getting enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass a bill. AOC also helped add a few more in the general election.
A 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill. Publicly abandoning Nina Turner ... abandoning adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... as Dore did, doesn't get you closer to being able to pass the bill. Sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill and, if you let Republicans win, or let a corporate Dem win back a progressive seat, could actually move you further away. Promoting Tulsi M4A is unAmerican Gabbard over Bernie doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill ... in fact, voting against having an M4A president is actually the opposite. Trashing government negotiated under $20 prices on vaccines that are given out for free (a tiny taste of what M4A would be like) as some "big pharma" conspiracy, and spreading a general fear of the government, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill. Having your buddy Max on, so the two of you can misrepresent the UK's completely socialized healthcare system, doesn't get you any closer to being able to pass the bill.
All the "action" Dore promotes gets you no closer, or even further away from, ever passing the bill. He's a grifter, who pretends he's selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful.
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Learn some math. There are zero extra out of party votes in the neighborhood, or to the left, of the most progressive Dems. There are some moderate Republicans with voting ideology scores in the neighborhood of the most conservative Dems, and then the entire rest of the Republican party, to the right of them. There are more votes to be lost, or gained, on the right.
The $15 min got a vote. There's now a record of names of representatives and senators who voted against paying people more, during a pandemic. Isn't that supposed to be used, in some fashion, to go after those who voted against it? Yet, the FTV mouthpiece is still bitching about those who voted for it.
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@andrewwells6323 Nah, you're talking past what I'm saying and referring to an overall economy. And now you've moronically called Walmart goods, "quality".
So the power loom didn't put thousands of people out of work, force them to take jobs for 3/4 the wages, and cause riots? Strange.
The average cost of living, inflation, prices, would have to be going in reverse for you to make sense. Prices on goods are going up, not down, on average. The loss of jobs to automation didn't reduce prices. The loss of jobs to $3 a day workers didn't reduce prices. But, those two things did put thousands out of work.
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@edwardrosser938 Rofl! Hilarious, coming from a Dore knob. Jimmy slanders anyone who disagrees with him a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", or whatnot. He's a grifting loudmouth, who slanders anyone who disagrees with him, peddles endless bullshit, who throws henchmen (anonymous producers) under the bus for his mistakes, has conned his followers into thinking he "tells it like it is", and it's almost entirely hopeless trying to have a conversation with them. Sound familiar? Case in point, I stated facts about Dore's dishonest take on numbers ... it's clearly just math ... and you still came here to try and defend him. Go ahead and argue against the reality of math. Make me laugh, Dore knob.
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@korhashamo It's to point out that idiots, like Greenwald, and likely you, don't know what "censorship" is. A privately owned and operated news company picking and choosing which articles it wants to write/print, and which it doesn't, has nothing to do with "censorship". If the authorities were forcing them not to write/print something, then that would be censorship. Likewise, private companies picking and choosing what people can, and can't, post on their privately owned websites, or store on their privately owned servers, isn't censorship.
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@mediamattersismycockholste562 Moron.
Nazis loosened gun control for citizens. They just no longer considered Jews citizens, kind of like right wing nuts who question Muslim citizens' loyalties, or don't stick up for the black guy who carries and gets shot by police. Those people don't count.
Nazis were perfectly fine with insulting people of other religions, other races, other politics, etc. They just shut down negative media representations of them, with shouts of "fake news". They did not believe in safe spaces for those other people, just themselves.
Nazis were leaders in privatization, dumbass, turning tax dollars into private profits. They were backed by Germany's leading industrialists. They were anti-globalization, Germany first, type nationalists.
Infanticide? Again, Jews didn't count, to them. Just like many right wing nutters are fine with killing hundreds of thousands Muslim children, pardoning war criminals that kill Muslim children, etc. P.S. 1. An "infant" is birth to 12 months, so fetuses don't count as "infanticide". 2. Nobody is forcing abortions on people, you stupid wingnut. 3. Nobody is even promoting the idea that all fetuses of any group should be aborted. "Pro abortion" isn't actually a thing.
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For one, the IDF has its largest base in a shopping mall, cowardly hiding behind civilian human shields. And, the IDF has over 400k militants (reservists) amongst the populace, cowardly hiding behind human shields.
For another, yeah, there is something they can do ... just don't fire on civilians. We don't drop bombs on a bank hostage situation. We don't drop bombs on an urban gang hideout. We wouldn't drop a bomb on domestic terrorists, hold up in an apartment building, hospital, or whatnot. We don't do that, because we care about our own civilians or, at least, the authorities somewhat care about the optics. This is blatantly just not giving a crap about Palestinian lives.
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@chestervirgil7968 The $15 passed the house in the covid relief bill, dimwit. It got an actual vote, and passed the house. It didn't pass the senate, then went back to the house for a second vote. It was after that, that Bernie tried to get it in reconciliation. If the house hadn't passed the senate bill that was sent back, do you even know what happens next? It goes to house-senate negotiation, where the squad can try and pull in zero extra votes by making concessions to the zero members of congress to the left of them, and Manchin can try and pull in extra votes by making concessions to the 50 senators and 212 house members to the right of the party. In a standoff, a bill will most likely move right, not left. That is all besides the point that Dore is a pathetic useless hypocrite, who did nothing with the optics of voting against raising the minimum during a pandemic and nothing with the list of no voters. He just keeps whining, bitching about, and slandering, those who voted for it.
AOC endorsed Nina in March, you dishonest douchebag. She then campaigned for her in the final stretch. Meanwhile, Dore was slandering AOC, claiming she had abandoned M4A, while she was actively trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. It was him who had publicly abandoned Nina and abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. While he was stupidly wondering where AOC was on M4A march day, she was at Nina rallies. Oh my, Dore's comment section must have been in an uproar over Dore abandoning Nina and slandering AOC and Bernie, who was also campaigning with Nina. Was it? Did you all call him out as a lying grifter?
Dore, and his knobs, benefit the far right. That's just a fact.
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@antidote4870 The two state solution took land from the native population and gave it to newcomers, from Europe and Russia. It was based on colonialism. It's almost a single state, already. Israel sure seems like it wants that outcome. Bezalel Smotrich, the lunatic Netanyahu put in charge of the West Bank, made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jews in all of Israel/Palestine. Even worse, his map of "Israel" includes parts of Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
The question is whether Palestinians will have any property or rights left. To survive as a Jewish ethno-state, Israel has to keep Jews as the majority, which means continuing to ethnically cleanse, or kill, enough Palestinians to keep themselves in the majority, or resort to taking away any non Jewish rights and give up being democratic.
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@whyamimrpink78 You didn't answer my question. How is trying to overthrow the democratic process and install an unelected ruler, "limited government and giving people more freedom"?
You're telling people to cut the cord? Trump (the federal government), convinced tens of millions of stupid right wingers not to believe any media, any judges, any lawyers, any election officials, any law enforcement, any intelligence agencies, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses ... anyone ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradicted him (the federal government). He (the federal government) convinced millions to go against their local and state governments. He (the federal government) fired, or threatened to fire, any federal workers who contradicted him. How is the most Big Brother like government in US history, "limited government and giving people more freedom"?
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@whyamimrpink78 Like BLM, the Civil Rights movement in the 60s, wasn't some centrally organized movement, with an official leader, or anything. MLK Jr wasn't Malcolm X who wasn't Huey Newton, etc. And nobody actually had any control over spontaneous protests and riots, over police brutality, or what not. So, whether MLK Jr spoke against violence is irrelevant to whether the entire movement should be considered a terrorist group, because some rioted in some places. Over 90% of BLM protests are peaceful. Various different BLM leaders have spoken out against rioting and looting. And, yet, you're still calling the entire movement a terrorist group.
You seem to be heading towards an argument where being a "terrorist" isn't necessarily a bad thing ... one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter ... and you simply don't like the BLM cause.
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@caseypdx503 Nope. He is objectively not good at it. It is an objective fact that Zionists were colonialists. Early Zionists, like Ben-Gurion and Ze'ev Jabotinsky, fully acknowledged that fact. Ze'ev also predicted based on the entirety of history that the native population would fight said colonialism, until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. It would be impossible for natives to attack them, if they weren't there doing their colonialist aggression, first.
It is also a fact that, on top of the colonialist base, Zionists formed terrorist groups, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets, killing many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into their new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who also bombed the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis still celebrate those terrorists as heroes, to this day.
Anyone who makes out like Palestinians started the violence on Oct 7, is objectively bad at it. Even this year, alone, Israel had already killed over 200 Palestinians, prior to that. Hamas didn't start anything, and didn't do anything Zionists haven't resorted to.
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@Tucker Carlson Ummm, the economy was trending for the better, since 2009. It was a global economic crisis. It has been trending better in many other countries, since 2009, as well. Trump absolutely did not fix the economy, both years before he took office, and around the world. That's just stupid.
The military operation that took down ISIS was started 4 or 5 years ago. It was an ongoing, years long, military operation, not like a new piece of intel and a presidential order to take down an individual.
North Korea has been asking to talk for years, dipshit. It didn't take anything to get them to talk. They wanted to talk.
Trump's NATO talk is absolute bullshit.
You Trump supporters are idiots.
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Tell everyone who Likud is Bernie.
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@swiftfuegon So, every single religion needs its own nation, and every single ethnic group needs its own nation, and we should use force, and cleansing methods, to make it happen? A Scientology country? Utah should split off and become a Mormon country? A Wiccan country?
Both Palestinians and Jews have Canaanite DNA. It is the Palestinians' homeland, as well, except they never left for 1700 years. They aren't Iraqis, or Saudis, or anything else. There's no good reason to ethnically cleanse them off their homeland, for people who left for hundreds of years. That would be like me, and 6 million other North Americans, with ancestors that left England hundreds of years ago, going "back", and demanding half the country, and that everyone currently living on our half to move to the other half. Or, at least enough, so that us "returnees" are in the majority, so we can fake being democratic.
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@therationalnational David. Jimmy has a new video out, downplaying the risks of covid, called "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?".
In it, he takes hospitalization rates per total vaccinated (0.01%)and unvaccinated (0.89%) populations and compares it to a 3.4% "death rate", that is clearly a case fatality rate (fatalities per confirmed cases) from a year and a half ago. The case fatality rate is constantly changing, is different for each country, and different for the world.
He claimed he couldn't find a newer rate. Only someone who is completely inept, wouldn't be able to find the current case fatality rate. But, somehow Jimmy managed not to. Only someone who failed grade school math couldn't figure it out themselves. 800k deaths is 1.6% of 50m confirmed cases, in the US. But, somehow Jimmy, or his team, couldn't.
So, he compares these two sets of numbers, that are based on totally different math, to question whether covid deaths are being "WILDLY" inflated. You know, because a 3.4% "death rate" is so much higher than 0.9% hospitalization rate. The comparable "death rate" he should be using is the population mortality rate. 800k deaths is 0.24% of 330m total population. Again, something that's easy to find the latest numbers for, or figure out yourself, but the Dore knob team couldn't manage to do. There's nothing, at all, incompatible with a 0.24% total population mortality rate and a 0.9% total population hospitalization rate.
But, he's using his false equivalency to make out like covid is a lot less harmful than doctors and scientists, worldwide, have stated, and there's some giant worldwide conspiracy to inflate numbers, by over 10x.
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You even have to be careful of exit polls, this year, too. Election day, early voting, and mail in voting all skewed differently. Almost 100m people voted early or by mail, and about 150m voted in total. Yet, a CNN exit poll polled 8000 election day voters, and then only 5000 early or mail in voters. Just based on those numbers, you know their poll is going to skew towards Trump support. Based on those, they're claiming Trump gained black and Latino support, when years of Pew surveys show Republicans have made zero headway in 16 years.
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@John Langley Capitalism has failed at national levels, over and over, and fails hundreds of millions of people daily. Going right back to what clearly failed, doesn't equate to success. The only purely capitalist countries left are absolute monarchies, like Saudi, which are 100% privately owned and operated countries. Why aren't you using them as the greatest examples of capitalism?
Not sure why you find it weird to compare developed countries to other developed countries, rather than to developing countries. You blathered about a bunch of irrelevant crap, because the US could afford those things, right? Why didn't the US keep progressing, like the happiest, far more centrist, countries on the planet, rather than regress back to levels of inequality that have failed before?
Hey, if you want free speech, then argue for public ownership. No such thing as free speech on someone else's private property. Where's this forced segregation going on?
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@Gee-xb7rt Yeah. The fact that she actually opposed lowercase "l" right libertarians (ancappers), and argued that there needed to be a government, with minimal services ... "the police, the armed forces, the law courts" ... leads to her defeating herself. She just asserts that everyone would voluntarily pay taxes for those "necessities", so it wouldn't be involuntary taxes. But, we see, all the time, that people would love to not fund the police, the military, and probably wouldn't want to fund racist or bigoted courts, especially ones that constantly side with the rich, or the prison system, if they had the option. Definitely not some universal truth, that everyone would voluntarily fund those things. The rich would, and would use it to oppress the poor, is what would likely happen ... like calling in the military to bust strikes, or whatnot, like the good ol' days. That's why those things are a "necessity", in her mind ... to protect people with property and wealth.
I might argue that capitalism can exist without a "government", but likely not without some kind of force, unless everyone is magically voluntarily following the same belief system. Feudalism, and absolute monarchies, are less "governments" and are more a form of governance, like a major company. They're private property owners, with their hired private armies, enforcing whatever rules they want on their private property, and charging people whatever they want for the use of their property, resources, etc. I don't consider privately owned and operated "governments" to be real governments.
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@DemsJugglingLs Here, since you can't figure out how Google works ...
"Some examples of gag orders:
Police departments issue gag orders to protect the identity of victims, in particular minors, and also to keep information about ongoing investigations from becoming known when its release to the public could pose a threat to cases or the people involved.
A judge often issues a gag order to forbid anyone involved in a case from discussing it outside of the court.
A company might include gag orders in contracts associated with partnerships, employment and termination to protect trade secrets, intellectual property, sensitive information and, sometimes, the business’s reputation.
In the United States, gag orders are included with all national security letters (a type of subpoena issued by the FBI) to prevent the recipients from saying they received them.
In a settlement between parties in a legal dispute, a gag order against discussing issues related to the dispute may be part of the terms agreed upon."
... gag orders are used all the time, and aren't considered violations of free speech, or freedom of the press.
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@masterofmashup1737 It is literally a Catholic catechism, that God is sexless, and yet they still call it "he", "him", and even "Father". Catholics are still the majority of Christians. Orthodox teachings are basically the same as Catholicism. That is the standard teachings of Judaism and Islam, as well. It is also what most Protestants teach. It is basically only some evangelicals and Mormons who teach God has a form.
These people know there's a difference between gender and sex. Plenty of them probably also call their sexless cars and boats "her" and "she", regularly assigning genders, and using gender pronouns, that don't match a being's, or an object's, sex. In cases of referring to some unknown person, that they don't know the sex of, they know perfectly well how to use "they" and "them" in the singular (Someone left me flowers. I wish I knew who they were, so I could thank them). They know gender and sex are different. They know how to use the English language. They're simply bigoted hypocrites who only get upset when the LGBT community does it.
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@davidmeadows5627 Not every insult is an "ad hominem". You should learn what it means, before tossing it around so wildly.
The religious right has been cancelling people, and things, for millennia, and have used the law, and authorities, to do it. A private company deciding what people can, and can't, say, on their platform, doesn't violate any American values. People protesting those they don't agree with, doesn't violate American values. The US was founded on protesting against companies that supported the crown, or vice versa, even destroying their property. Meanwhile, you have actual Republican lawmakers, tossing books and dictating language. If you know how the first amendment works, then you should know which is more of an infringement on American values, and rights.
There's a difference between "voter ID laws" and strict voter ID laws. Canada is one of those "other countries", with "voter ID laws", but they aren't strict. You can bring in household bills, student IDs, and all kinds of things, to indicate who you are. Nobody really has a problem with having to provide some way of identifying yourself. The problem is if you narrow it down to a few very specific forms of ID, that some demographics are less likely to already have, in some states very significantly less likely.
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@Stickyfingers420 Dore was arguing to "withhold" votes for Pelosi, not arguing to cast protest votes against Pelosi, and he misinformed people, claiming it would be impossible for McCarthy to win because 218 votes are needed to get the majority of the house.
But, it's actually the majority of votes cast, and for every 2 abstentions, "present", absentees, or unfilled seats, it lowers the threshold needed to win by 1, because those don't count as votes. Pelosi just won with 216, even though Jimmy claimed 218 was needed, and slandered anyone who said otherwise.
If the 15 progressives Dore named, simply "withheld" their votes, then the threshold needed to win would be lowered to 210 (one unfilled seat makes 16, 218 - 8 = 210). That would give McCarthy (212) more votes than Pelosi (209), and the majority of votes cast. He'd win.
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@SR-lh4rm Bullshit. I didn't say it doesn't generate revenue. I said he's clueless. It doesn't tax businesses, as Yang falsely claims. What Scandinavian countries do to make the rich and businesses pay in: very high unionization, higher wages, paid parental leave, more paid vacations, higher income tax on the wealthy, having them pay for retraining, having oil companies with majority state ownership, etc. ... and then they tax their better paid, higher standard of living, consumers, for more social benefits. Yang skips most of that, and doesn't have businesses paying in. If you want a VAT, do Bernie's stuff first.
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@Addamo Dore has been slandering people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. He promotes the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, peddling some fantasy where third parties are incorruptible and will only produce perfectly perfect candidates ... you know, like Kyrsten Sinema. He did, in fact, promote Tulsi over Bernie, which you're just lying about. He didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, did support the "medicare choice" candidate over the M4A candidate, and then turned around and made himself out to be the one true champion of healthcare, because he came up with a stupid way to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. He argued that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, vastly overestimating the benefits, claiming it would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house and senate in 2018 (wrong) and the presidency in 2020 (wrong), and vastly underestimating the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into all out fascism (wrong).
If he's not a grifter, then he's a complete and utter moron. Either way, he benefits the far right more than the left.
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@terryarcona3254 Who'd ensure it wouldn't be like that, at all?
On the Western frontier, before the government and law had much of a presence, private property owning cattle barons, with their privately hired cowboy armies, threw their weight around, slaughtering thousands of sheep, ripping down fences, and even killing herders and their supporters. Feudalism is just a bunch of private property owners, with their private armies, charging rent on their private property, and making rules for living on their private property. With no authority above those private property owners, they resolved their property disputes privately.
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@Daneelro Yeah, that's why I like the 2D political compass, for authoritarian vs anti-authoritarian takes. Being authoritarian, or anti-authoritarian, isn't necessarily left, or right. You can like someone's takes on some anti-authoritarian issues, but people shouldn't let that fool them, that they're on the same side, when it comes to a majority of political issues. Glenn's (and Dore's) recent "free speech" rantings have been very much the kind you hear from right wingers, even if they are seemingly anti-authoritarian. They never propose public ownership, which would give people free speech rights. They pretend like people are losing "free speech" righs, when nobody ever had such rights on someone else's private property, to begin with. They just seem to expect to be able to say whatever they want on someone else's private property, even expecting to dodge editors, whose jobs it is to literally edit your work before publication. And, if Glenn's take on Trump is similar to Dore's, Dore simply agreed with Tucker about how problematic it was for Trump to be removed from social media. Aside from what I mentioned above, Dore also never pointed out that incitement isn't even protected speech. If Glenn also doesn't point that out, then they're just defending far right wing insurrectionists, who wanted to overthrow the democratic process to install Dumpty as an unelected dictator.
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@John-bravooo Post Nakba: "By 15 May 1948, the population was 805,900, of which 649,600, i.e. 80.6%, were Jews and 156,000, i.e. 19.4%, were the remaining Palestinians of the region which was occupied and named as Israel later on."
If 700+k non-Jews were ethnically cleansed, then who was the actual pre-Nakba majority? Colonizers of North America let some "friendlies" live amongst them. I guess that totally means they weren't racist, colonizing, ethnic cleansers. The good old "black friend" argument.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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james colvin You idiot. There were anti-fascists in the streets, and fighting with the brown shirts, in Germany, too. Claiming anti-fascists are the fascists makes you stupid. US independence was founded on protesting, confronting authorities in the streets, tarring and feathering loyalists, burning their houses, and destruction of property. When a red coat feared for his life, and shot a protester, it led to all out war. Were the founding fathers fascists?
Aside for that being bullshit, you don't have a right to be on Facebook or Twitter. There's no protections for political leanings. They can boot whoever they want. Don't like it, then try to get political leanings protected, like race, sex, religion, etc. Oh wait, protecting people from being discriminated against would probably be against your political leanings. You're likely in favour of private companies having the "right" to discriminate against whoever they want.
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@khersonskiyarbuzkhersonski2460 Incorrect. Ukrn was trying to join the EU, not NATO. Yanukovych was elected stating he supported joining the EU. Pvtin then implemented an Eastern blockade on Ukrn trade, until Yanukovych folded, and backed out of joining the EU. That's when the protests started. The US had no reason to be planning the protests, or a coup, because Yanukovych had been saying he'd join the EU. People were just pissed. Yanukovych then fled the country. Pvtin then invdd, took Crimea, and started supplying manpower, wpns, and money, to rbls in Donbass.
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Dragon1717 It was only a "civil war", because the North won, were victorious over the South, and the union stayed together. For the South, it was a war of independence. They declared themselves to be a separate country, and that country, the Confederate States of America, with its own constitution, enshrining slavery, its own flags, its own uniforms, etc., was defeated. It was a victory for the union, keeping the union together. It was a victory for the United States of America over the Confederate States of America. Why shouldn't the USA celebrate that?
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@theworkingprogressive127 When he promoted Trump as the better option, not caring if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, and not caring to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, how was that fighting for the working class? When he was promoting Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" instead of Bernie and his M4A (as well as all his other policies geared towards workers), how was that fighting for the working class? When he promotes third parties, while the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, how is sitting on the sidelines and having zero seats and zero votes on even a single bill, fighting for the working class? How is slandering the most progressive pro worker politicians in congress, instead of the most anti worker politicians, fighting for the working class?
He's an idiot, that benefits the far right.
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@shanabell8603 Jimmy has had a video, since the Shaun video, about covid deaths. In it, he starts with vaccinated and unvaccinated hospitalization rates, 0.01% and 0.89%, that are based on the total vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, which is clearly stated in the Gallup article he cites. Jimmy instead uses the numbers as if they're based on only the infected population, and immediately makes out like the hospitalization rates are crazy low. He then compares those hospitalization rates to a "death rate" that is obviously a year and a half old case fatality rate, 3.4%. Then ... you know, since 3.4% is so much higher than 0.9% ... he makes out like covid deaths have been "WILDLY inflated". If you're using total population hospitalization rates, then the "death rate" you want is the covid crude mortality rate, which is about 0.25%. There's nothing incompatible with 0.9% and 0.25%. Jimmy was falsely making out like hospitalization rates were much lower than they actually are, for those infected, and that people were being lied to about death rates, all of which panders to the anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers, who have been claiming covid is no worse than a cold or flu. Plus, he basically completely ignores that he has just shown numbers indicating that the unvaccinated are being hospitalized at 89x the rate of the vaccinated.
Either Jimmy didn't read the Gallup article, himself, to know what kind of hospitalization rates he was using, or he's a complete and utter moron who, himself, decided to use the incorrect "death rate" ... a complete and utter moron who couldn't find a "death rate" that's newer than a year and a half old (case fatality rates change constantly) ... a complete and utter moron who couldn't do the simple math to find out the latest case fatality rate, or crude mortality rate, himself. He's either completely ignorant or completely dishonest. Take your pick.
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Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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@daniellove162 Every Republican voted against the $15, in congress. Whatever the hell is going on at the state level is irrelevant. NYC and Washington DC already have $15 minimums, not 5 years from now. Multiple states already have minimums above Florida's current minimum, and it'll take Florida a few years to even catch up to them. Wouldn't your "logic" mean that all the Democratic places that are out in front of Florida, are evidence they can pass minimum wage bills, and do it sooner? Wouldn't the fact that almost all of them voted for it in congress be evidence they're ahead of Republicans on the issue?
The $15 would be an important progressive policy, that got a vote in the house, actually passed (M4A didn't have a chance in hell), and also got a senate vote. Weren't you Dore knobs supposed to be doing something with lists of no voters, instead of bitching about, and slandering, those who voted for it?
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100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted, based on all of history, that the natives would fight said colonialism until the bitter end. Being a colonialist, makes you the original aggressor. Everything natives do is a reaction to that beginning.
On top of the colonialism, Israel was founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi, who killed many civilians, including children and even Palestinian Jews. Israel merged those groups into their new intelligence agency and military. Israelis elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun, killed plenty of civilians, including throwing dynamite and blowing up Palestinian homes, and bombed the King David Hotel. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
Fascists called resistance movements "terrorists". Colonialists called unruly Natives "Savages!". Both sometimes brutally attacked civilians. They were still reacting to the fascism and colonialism. Without those things, they would have had nothing to react to.
Native Americans didn't arrive at wanting to send the colonialists back into the sea, simply because they were white. The French resistance didn't want to send Nazis back to Germany, simply because they were German. Ask yourself why Jewish people were able to live side by side with Muslims, fled Christian nations for Muslim nations, for around 1300 years, even the earliest years of Zionism was accepted under the Ottomans, and then it suddenly stopped. Why was it timed around the Balfour declaration, which screwed Palestinians out of independence and self rule over the lands they lived on? Why was it timed around the first discussions of partition, with the first plan including force moving over 200k Palestinians out of lands that would be given to Zionists? Etc. Give your head a shake Ben.
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@michaelbarquero6079 You get an F on analogies. You're concept of reality is completely backwards. It's you and Shapiro that are, literally, telling the NFL to shut up and play football. And, I'm the one telling you how to protest ... turn the channel, don't see the movie, or whatever, if you don't like it.
Again, a tangent of deflection, from you, and ironically strawmanning me, with something someone else may have said, while complaining about strawmanning. You're clearly not very bright, and me saying so is just a statement of fact.
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Eric Moore Watched for years. "Real" lefties promote Trump as the better option for progressives, not caring if 10m of the poorest Americans are thrown off Medicaid expansion, and not caring to add 40m Americans to Medicare expansion, in 2016? "Real" lefties back Tulsi and "Medicare choice" rather than Bernie and M4A? "Real" lefties run attack ad campaigns against Trump's only viable remaining opponent, in 2020? "Real" lefties slander progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime? "Real" lefties go on far right MSM, not to challenge them, but to agree with their right wing nonsense? "Real" lefties, after slandering other progressives for weeks, and making out like they're no longer allies, over a single tactic disagreement, turn around and promote making allies with far right ancap Boogaloos, who are the complete opposite on economics? "Real" lefties promote going the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence and, at best, would peel away enough progressive votes to let Republicans rule for decades?
Why does a "real" lefty seem to benefit the far right most?
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@whyamimrpink78 You're lumping all access to healthcare together, as being equal. If I'm living in the middle of nowhere, hours from a hospital, sure, just having coverage won't give me access to immediate care. That's a totally different access issue. 42000 Americans die due to a lack of coverage, easily fixed by giving everyone coverage. It's just a damn fact that, if everyone has coverage, you won't have people dying due to lack of coverage. This is a no brainer. It would be a fact that nobody would go bankrupt due to healthcare costs. It would be a fact that nobody would have to go to India to get cheaper care. Nothing you say will change those facts.
Two?
"We based our analysis on 72 indicators that measure performance in five domains important to policymakers, providers, patients, and the public: Care Process, Access, Administrative Efficiency, Equity, and Health Care Outcomes."
Sure, if everyone did everything just perfectly, then life would be grand. Perfectly safe drivers, perfectly healthy eaters, perfectly healthy exercisers, perfectly safe workers, etc., etc., etc. But, that's not reality, and I doubt it ever will be. At least, if you have access to regular checkups, you might have someone to regularly suggest lifestyle changes. Or you can also add a health tax to unhealthy things, like cigarettes, or whatever, as they do in some places.
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@Frank-zs1wk I'm not sure that it's even necessarily the fact that he has more right wingers on, but the fact that he has some really extreme right wing people on, and he lets them get away with passing themselves off as moderates or centrists, without challenge. I don't think they do very in-depth research into the background of their guests, so he ends up just taking their word for some stuff.
For example: He just had Andy Ngo on, and let Andy pass himself off as centre-right, a poor middle of the road "reporter" viciously attacked by the far left Antifa.
Andy Ngo works for Quillette, which took Twitter to task for supposed liberal bias against "conservatives". Some they grouped as simply "conservatives":
American Nazi Party
Richard Spencer
National Policy Institute
David Duke
Mike Enoch
Paul Nehlen
James Allsup
League of the South
Proud Boys
The Proud Boys are Andy's personal favorites, who he follows around, and defends. They go looking for fights, and Andy chooses to basically embed with them. Andy, and Quillette, are far from some moderate centre-right. Joe, letting the very far right pass itself off as some moderate middle, makes their positions seem more acceptable.
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@edwardrosser938 Jimmy promoted Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) over Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). He peddled Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). He slanders progressives who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. He slandered Bernie and AOC, claiming they had abandoned M4A, at the exact time they were on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A advocate to congress. Dore, on the other hand, publicly abandoned Nina ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress. He peddles the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. He has peddled allying with "extreme free market" nutjobs that want to start a civil war, who would outright shoot any leftists trying to enact M4A, after you help them topple the government.
Do you know what "grifter" means? It means they're selling themselves as one thing, but they're actually selling you something else. The directions Jimmy proposes going provide zero evidence he actually wants M4A. What he says doesn't match what he does.
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@edwardrosser938 That wasn't Dore's argument for Trump over Clinton. He argued Trump was far worse. His claim was that a Trump presidency would cause a massive progressive backlash, exactly because he was so much worse. He claimed it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He claimed even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump presidency (wrong) rather than follow him into fascism (wrong). In his debate with Sam over it, he claimed Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He was wrong about everything. The very basis of his argument, that things had to get worse to have a bigger progressive movement, wasn't based on any kind of reality. Bernie had just created a progressive movement right after an Obama presidency.
“In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk. When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” - Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Tribune-Herald, 2016
Pretty much every US intervention, since 9/11 used the war on terrorism as grounds. She was always a grifter, and Jimmy grifter for her. He spent months backing a public option candidate against the M4A candidate, then turned around and made out like not supporting some secondary tactic to get a performance art vote, was the end all and be all, slandering anyone who didn't jump onboard as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts". All those labels should apply to him, for outright going against the M4A candidate.
Yes, he and his wife publicly announced they had stopped donating to Nina, and then promoted never supporting anyone running as a Democrat ever again. The Trump presidency actually hurt Bernie's progressive movement. People went screaming into Joe Biden's "more electable" arms. They didn't want to risk having Trump around another term. It did the opposite of what Dore fantasized.
Jimmy is a fringe "progressive". He represents only a few hundred thousand people that voted for Tulsi, and Green party, in the last election. The vast majority of progressives vote for, and support, all the progressives he keeps trashing. His audience has become more and more packed with right wing loons.
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@Stegibbon Yeah, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. They've cancelled, or attempted to cancel ... the non religious, pagans, other religions, other denominations, women's rights, women in pants, women's ankles, then knees, then thighs, they've cancelled books and movies, they still have a government agency protecting delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples, religious grounds were used to cancel blacks being treated like human beings, ... and they've used the actual government, "justice" system, and military, to do it. Their psycho right wing president was firing, or threatening to fire, any federal workers who contradicted him, and they were fine with that. But, then express horror, if private companies (that they wanted to have rights like people and have given so much power to) decide for themselves to cancel crap.
They're insanely hypocritical.
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Everyone wearing seatbelts, following speed limits, not drinking and driving, heeding traffic lights, maintaining safe vehicles, etc., help reduce the frequency of automobile accidents, and how deadly they are. Everyone ignoring those things help increase the frequency and how deadly they are. And, the second group can have an effect on the first group, dimwit, which doesn't make what the first group is doing ineffective.
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Mari Jayne The FBI had been under the direction of Republican presidents for 6 of the last 10 terms. They said Russians were interfering in 2018 and 2020, as well. Mueller, a Republican, indicted 29 Russians and 3 Russian companies. He presented some 200 pages of non conspiracy level information sharing (collusion), and they only didn't indict Jr and Kushner because they said it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. He also presented evidence for what could be considered obstruction, but said a sitting president couldn't be indicted.
You'd rather believe that the FBI, the DNC, Australian officials, and Republicans like Mueller, were working together to make a false case against Trump, so that they could make Pence president?
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@robinsss Landlords, laying claim to entire countries, oppressing the majority and leaving them destitute, ending with revolutions and some landlords losing their heads. Allowing for the ownership of other human beings, ending with the most deadly and destructive war on US soil. The Gilded Age ending with massive labor riots, a great depression, and having to introduce socialistic policies to fix things a bit. Little, to no, oversight on the western frontier, allowing for private property owning cattle barons to hire their own private armies, and resolve things privately ... slaughtering tens of thousands of sheep, destroying property, and even killing those who put up a fight against them (basically the beginnings of feudalism). It is currently failing hundreds of thousands of homeless, tens of millions in poverty, hundreds of thousands with medical debt, etc., in the US alone.
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@bartjargengarblbargeler1980 Rofl. Aaron's Syrian "scandal" article could have been written by anyone, from anywhere in the world, with Wikipedia and a penchant for leaving out bits they don't like. Israel, France, the US, and the UK, started bombing Syria before inspectors even reached the site to start their inspection. The final report didn't come out until months and months later. As per Russian security council demands, the final report didn't even assign blame. Those countries decided to bomb Syria all on their own.
Plus, two part-time "inspectors", working with others, on a single investigation of a single site, doesn't even debunk the other full-time inspectors, let alone debunk the hundreds of accounts, dozens of other inspections, indicating Syrian chemical weapons uses since 2012.
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Deniz Yazz Like I said, all the info Aaron used was already in a Wikipedia page, Dore knob. People had already written articles about things he used, even reporters who were on the ground, at the site, at the time. They just didn't write his article. No one else had his penchant for leaving out bits they don't like, I guess. Yeah, I mentioned Henderson. He was the one that wasn't an official inspector.
Aaron talked at the UN, so what? Syria invited him to, Just like they invited him to hang out with the Assad apologists who reported a "free and fair" election in Syria. Weird, when a brutal dictator keeps inviting you to stuff.
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@zippydoo9533 You criticize it, but you also make it out to be the only option, to avoid the future you envision. Countries with more mixed (that would be a mix of capitalism and socialism) economies are doing fine, and the happiest countries on the planet. Capitalism has failed dozens of times over, and failed individuals billions of times over. Just because people return to it, after say a massive depression, doesn't make it successful.
Btw, anti-democratic, anti-union, anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-globalist, were all part of fascist platforms. Either your a fascist, who wants an undemocratic government, or you're an ancapper, who doesn't want any government ... which would unleash massive corporations, with no oversight ... making you sound nonsensical.
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@LiquidDestruction No, there aren't scholarships that say "white", but there are scholarships for people of different European heritage. For example, scholarships for German Americans ...
https://www.theclassroom.com/scholarships-for-kids-of-german-descent-13607461.html
The thing about the vast majority of blacks in America is that they don't have a previous specific heritage they can draw from. They were brought over from Africa, all tossed together, and quickly blended together. Their heritage is now only that of the black experience in America. So, not only is it a racial grouping, it's also become a cultural, heritage, grouping, on par with that German American grouping. There are also German clubs, and German festivals, celebrating German heritage. There are German American schools. And, the same goes for numerous other European American groups. And there's no such thing as "white" heritage or culture.
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@ZooomaCW You can't "demonstrate" anything, if you don't provide any evidence to support your case. Without it, you're just blathering.
The "they" would be Trump and over 100 Republican members of congress trying to overthrow the democratic process, based on bullshit. The "they" would be the 28% of Republican voters surveyed stating they didn't want Trump to concede under any circumstances. The "they" would be the right wing media that have had to backtrack due to defamation lawsuit threats, and the psycho lawyers being sued for defamation, for spouting bullshit. And, yes, the "they" would also include those who physically tried to stop the process by storming the Capitol after they were incited by being fed said bullshit for weeks.
Rofl. Trump outright fires people who don't tow the party line, or state truths that don't match his lies. He has called for voters to cancel Republican politicians who didn't support his lies. He wanted to cancel funding to states and cities that didn't do as he said. He has called for plenty of other people to be fired, as well, from reporters to athletes. He convinced tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any judges, any election officials, any politicians (even Republicans), if they contradicted him. He totally just convinced a ton of people to cancel FOX for not being psycho enough anymore. Gaetz just held a cancel Liz Cheney rally. What rock do you live under?
You also seem to have reading comprehension problems, and misunderstood wanting a dictator and dictatorship, as meaning currently is a dictator and dictatorship. The dictatorship part would be after you've kept the unelected ruler in power, and thrown the democratic process out the window.
Yeah, no, that doesn't equate to fascism.
"Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism" ~ Mussolini
The complete opposite of the Marxian ideal of stateless non-authoritarian democratic socialism, is an ultra-nationalistic authoritarian undemocratic crony capitalism. Which box do Republicans, who take the extra step of trying to end the democratic process, still need to fill?
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The fascists of WWII considered resistance to their fascism to be "terrorism". Resistance groups sometimes killed civilian "collaborators". Natives of North America got sick of the European colonialism, ethnic cleansing, etc., and decided they wanted to push the Europeans back into the sea, and sometimes attacked civilians. The colonialists (who also attacked civilians, like Israel regularly does), on the other hand, considered them "Savages!".
The colonialism, fascism, etc., comes first. The "savage" "terrorist" attacks are a response. The only real way to end having a response, is to stop doing the things thay cause a response. Or, utterly destroy the responders.
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@g.e.o.r.g.e... The student also offered to open the building door with his key. He offered the cop everything he could, and the cop refused to accept it. He wasn't doing anything wrong, complied as best he could, and only then carried on with his business when the cop didn't accept anything. He didn't deserve to be harrassed, in the first place, for picking up litter.
But, the cop didn't ask the white guy. You're speculating as to how people may, or may not, have reacted on an alternate timeline. I also doubt the cop harassed white folks he saw out doing yardwork. If he did, then they should release those body cam videos. By percentages, there should be twice as many videos of white Americans being harrassed doing daily activities by cops, if there's no profiling involved in these kinds of situations.
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@BlazingOwnager Republicans are banning things that aren't even taught in public schools. They're banning abortions and putting bounties on people who get abortions. Calling for the death penalty for getting an abortion. They're banning taking safety measures against a deadly virus. They're banning bds. They're making it more difficult and dangerous to protest. They're making it more difficult to vote. Their leader outright called to overthrow the democratic process to keep himself on as an unelected dictator. The majority of Republican lawmakers tried to overthrow the democratic process to keep him on as an unelected dictator. The majority of Republican voters believe the lies that led some of them to try and violently overthrow the democratic process. They defend police that kill their own citizens at hundreds of times the rate of numerous other developed countries. They defend having the largest prison population in the world. They defend charging, and convicting, certain people at higher rates, for similar crimes. They defend sentencing certain people for longer periods of time, for similar crimes. Etc. Etc. Etc. All of which uses government power.
And, you're whining about some on the left using public pressure? It's, literally, akin to something ancappers actually promote, leaving bad Yelp reviews to fight racism, sexism, bigotry, and other forms of discrimination, instead of using the government. Give me a break. If you have to ""walk on eggshells" to not say something racist, or whatnot, then the problem is you.
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@Evirthewarrior Getting a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, isn't actually doing something that moves you closer to ever passing M4A. Using your platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helping to remove a few more corporate Dems, and helping to add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, actually does move you closer to ever being able to pass the bill. AOC was just trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress, in Nina Turner. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. You're living outside reality, as to who is actually doing more to pass the bill. AOC has done more for M4A in 2 years than Dore has in his entire lifetime.
Firstly, you Dore knobs don't seem to know that that wasn't the final vote on the bill, or the final version of the bill. Secondly, the Capitol police don't have a mandate to charge people for any and all crimes, outside Capitol grounds. Outside Capitol grounds, their only mandate is to protect members of congress. What is it you're afraid having a couple in the field, in California and Florida, investigating threats on congress members, is going to lead to?
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@rickduval2025 You, Hinkle, and pretty much every Dore knob, are dishonest twits. Each department has their own individual appropriation bill, before the budget vote. She voted no on the state department appropriation bill. She voted no on the defense appropriation bill. Then, the budget is based on all the appropriation bills. You idiots are shitting on her for not voting against the budget, which includes Medicaid, affordable housing, education, veteran's benefits, SNAP, SSI, etc.
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Wrong analogy, dumb dumb. There are businesses that have required people to wear shirts, shoes, ties, etc., since forever. If they require you to wear a mask, wear the fing mask. All the protected classes, except stupid religion, are inherent traits that people can't change about themselves, and religion is only there because most are brainwashed from birth, so it seems inherent. It's pretty easy to change from maskless to masked.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
The two terrorist groups also operated outside of Palestine. The Irgun bombed the British Embassy at Porta Pia, in Rome. The Lehi bombed the British Colonial Club, in London. A timer failed in another bombing attempt, at the Colonial Office, in Whitehall. Two female Lehi operatives were arrested crossing from Belgium to France, with the ingredients for letter bombs. 21 letter bombs were found to be have sent, and were intercepted. They mined the Cairo-Haifa train, in Egypt, twice, killing dozens of civilians, as well as British soldiers.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@2727rogers You're lying. A handful of Canadian parliament members do not have the power to paralyze parliament, did not paralyze parliament, did not threaten to paralyze parliament. Canada's healthcare system is more like Medicaid for all, and is a province/federal partnership, with the provinces actually running it. It was started by one province, others followed, and then the federal government got involved and made it nationwide.
Progressive politicians, TYT, Packman, MJ, and others were just heavily promoting, or campaigning for, Nina Turner, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress, because getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass M4A. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina, abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. He's a grifter. He doesn't actually care if anyone else ever gets healthcare.
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Not assuming anything. It's pretty clear, that you're making a defense.
I was talking attempts, or thwarted attempts, not simply violence that doesn't lead to deaths, nor simply thinking without acting. White supremacists make far more attempts than Muslim extremists. Attempting, but failing, to murder is still trying to kill someone, and isn't simply an assault, or whatnot. Getting caught plotting to murder people is planning to kill people, not simply having a praiseworthy thought crime.
And, again, a terrorist threat would be more of a threat to the nation, and not simply the individuals living in it. Targetting a governor, targetting the Capitol, etc., are more of a threat to keeping the government functioning. "Terrorism" isn't simply about causing terror, it includes doing it to achieve a political outcome. Gangs fighting, or a spouse killing their spouse, aren't trying to achieve political outcomes.
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@ozzie3963 The broader progressive caucus is 30 years old and is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justice Dems are 4 years old and have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been in the he 2 years, just backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helping to remove a few more corporate Dems, and helping to add a few more M4A yes votes to congress.
10 seats away from the M4A caucus becoming the majority of the party sounds like a perfect time to take the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Zero seats, zero bills, zero amendments, zero votes on even a single bill, zero committee time, zero committee votes, ... such a winning strategy.
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@guiagaston7273 Jimmy outright promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, which only benefits Trump. He peddled Tulsi over Bernie, outright working against Bernie and M4A. He ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, Biden, which only benefits Trump. He slanders progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He peddles a third party fantasy, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He publicly abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... and promoted never voting for anyone running as a Dem ever again, which only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. He peddled allying with "extreme free market" psycho Boogaloos, who want to start a civil war, overthrow the government, and have society run on pure capitalism. He goes on white nationalist television just to largely agree with right wing talking points, which only benefits right wing propaganda tv, and their audience.
Government negotiated prices on vaccines, and then giving them out for free, is a tiny taste of universal healthcare. Dore and Max also lied about the completely socialized UK healthcare system. Dore has also peddled more expensive, and paid for out of pocket, vaccine alternatives. Dore pandering to anti-vaxxers is also anti-universal healthcare.
Like all grifters, he claims to be selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful (Trump was running on tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, ffs).
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@upabittoolate My point was that there just isn't an "ad hominem", unless context creates one, not that an "ad hominem" with the right context is fine.
Boebert's husband is a sex offender. (Not an ad hominem)
Boebert's husband is a sex offender, which makes her a hypocrite. (Not an ad hominem)
Boebert is trailer trash. (Not an ad hominem)
Boebert's husband is a sex offender, therefore she's wrong about something unrelated. (ad hominem)
There's no fallacy in simply pointing out facts. There's no fallacy in pointing out hypocrisy. There's not even a fallacy in simply calling her "trailer trash", or whatever other insult you want. There's only a fallacy if you say something like "you are dumb, therefore you must be wrong", because the conclusion doesn't necessarily follow. The person could be both dumb, and right, about the topic at hand.
Personally, I don't have a problem with pointing out hypocrisy. It's not necessarily childish.
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The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. At that point, they'll be able to pick the party speaker candidate, and set the party agenda, for the house. If also the majority of the house, that speaker could also pick committee seats, pick which bills to introduce, pick which bills to not introduce, etc.
In an alternate reality, where the progressive caucus was an entirely different party, what you'd have is a Trump presidency (due to vote splitting between Dem voters and progressives), Pence as the senate tie breaker, and a Republican plurality in the house. Republicans would only have to work with a few of the most conservative Dems, to pass whatever they wanted, and could completely ignore the progressive party, altogether.
There is more power in getting 15 more seats within the Democratic party, than getting 115 seats outside the Democratic party. Plus, the reality is that most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. Also, the "vote blue" strategy works both ways. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries tend to turn around and vote for them in the generals. Any hope of Bernie actually winning a general election, if he got through the primary, would have rested entirely upon those who voted against him turning around and voting for him. If you split the voters, you'd pretty much be handing any tight districts, and the presidency, to Republicans, for decades to come.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Sam's problem though, was that he defined religions, especially Islam, as if there was one true interpretation, and then argued that those who didn't believe exactly what he claimed the one true Islam to be, were less religious, were "nominal" Muslims. He was, basically, making the same argument the likes of ISIS makes, that anyone who doesn't believe what they believe isn't a "true" Muslim.
The actual fact is that people interpret things, cherry pick, give weight to, include additional writings and rulings, differently. Even people in the same church, temple, synagogue, or mosque, can have somewhat different beliefs. A pacifist Muslim isn't necessarily less religious, anymore than a Quaker is less religious than some hate filled Southern Baptist spewing that all gays should be stoned to death.
If you portray Islam as a singular, horrible, "motherlode of bad ideas", and every single Muslim on the planet practices Islam, by definition, then you've said something about what every single Muslim on the planet believes and practices. Broad brushing, like that, generally makes you wrong, out of the gate.
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The US population likely hit 330m this past year. The population has never hit 330m before. It's the highest population in US history. It's such a beautifully big population.
Him, continuously bragging about highest stock market numbers, is stupid. Almost every president, in the history of the stock market, has presided over the highest stock market numbers, during their presidencies. The stock market has a habit of going up, most of the time.
Since Trump's first budget kicked in, when corporations and the rich first got their tax breaks, at the start of 2018, and Trump's trade wars started about the same time, the DOW has only gone up 4000 points. It went up more than that in his first year, during Obama's last budget.
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If the US had had an excellent response, similar to S Korea, New Zealand, Australia, Vietnam, or a few others, their covid death rates would translate into under 12k total covid deaths in the US.
If the US had had even a mediocre response, similar to Canada, Denmark, Finland, Norway, Germany, or some others, their covid death rates would translate into hundreds of thousands fewer deaths in the US.
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@whyamimrpink78 I didn't simply say people die. I said people die due to being uninsured, and you didn't give a flying fuck. A legitimate complaint about the US system is that not everyone gets coverage. It's an easily preventable cause of death. Simply cover everybody. You also haven't given a flying fuck about hundreds of thousands bankruptcies, or over a million going to cheap third world countries .... all per year. Both also easily preventable. Sure, there may be other reasons people die. If they are also easily preventable, then people should try to prevent those too, no?
You didn't break down crap about the Commonwealth Fund healthcare index. Like I said, there were 70+ measures. You whined about ignoring cancer mortality rates, which does suck as a good measure because you can't tell if they got better care or were diagnosed early, and dismissed them as a source. You didn't address WHO, at all, simply dismissing them as a source.
You addressed my own mention of infant and maternal mortality rates, and life expectancy, which is still the global standard, and has been the standard for decades. There is no widespread medical consensus, to stop using those measures as a decent standard. The ages people survive until, before dying of cancer, in all countries, are included in life expectancy rates. You know that, right? So, if you're oh so awesome at actually extending cancer patients' lives, rather than simply diagnosing early, then that should really bump up your life expectancy rate.
Preventative healthcare is still healthcare.
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@Packster Mosk Life is force. Nobody gets to choose to be born, let alone choose to be born in a specific geographic region, with a specific economic system. Life then forces you to find food, water, and shelter, or die. But the natural state of affairs, was that nobody owned anything.
You're the one creating the artificial state, where property is privately owned. And, if all the property that is currently publicly owned by governments were also privately owned, I'd be forced to make money to pay someone else to own my property or to rent property, pay someone else for building materials, pay someone else for water, pay someone else for food, pay someone else for electricity, etc., or rot on the streets and die. With that, comes most people being forced to make that money by working for someone else. All those someones would have some power over my life, my ability to survive, and could set the prices for what I need to survive, and set the wage I get to try and survive on.
History has shown that large landowners, and major business owners, often treat their renters and employees like shit. Sure, people have risen up and chopped off the heads of large landowners. Sure, workers have risen up in massive strikes and riots. You can blather about them using "force", but they were already being forced to work for next to nothing, barely being able to pay for all their costs. Making out like they freely entered into agreements with their employers and landlords, when the other option was to "freely" rot and die, is absolutely moronic.
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@Mech-730 I'm agnostic about "gods" the same way I'm agnostic about "aliens". While I have no clue if there are any "gods" or "aliens", out there, somewhere, I am quite certain that Star Trek, Spock, the Bible, and its God, are works of fiction.
Huxley, the grandpa, as in Thomas Henry, "Darwin's Bulldog".
"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." ~ T H Huxley
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@ncwordman Have you never read the OT? Whether you think the laws no longer apply, or not, that's supposedly the same god ... committing genocide; ordering genocide; ordering to bash people in the head with rocks, for non belief, for speaking of other religions, for working, even doing chores, on the Sabbath; okaying enslaving non Israelites for life, and passing them down as inheritance; etc., etc., etc.
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The Civil Rights Acts protect people of all races, colors, religions, nationalities, ages, abilities, sexuality, and sexes, actually. Of course, stupid isn't a protected class, so he didn't help you there.
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@whyamimrpink78 You're lying and deflecting. You can alternatively work from home and have what you need delivered. Other forms of transportation are irrelevant to the point. We do X, Y, and Z, to reduce the numbers of automobile accidents, and reduce the mortality rate. We do X, Y, and Z, to reduce the numbers of covid cases, and reduce the mortality rate. Vaccines are not 100% effective. You idiots spreading it around continue to challenge efficacy rates, plus create variants that could pose even more of a challenge. You're arguing that your drinking, speeding, ignoring signs and lights, and lack of a seatbelt won't harm anyone who follows the rules of the road ... while increasing the odds of you crashing into them, flying through your window, and impaling them with your broken bones.
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The left is opposed to colonialism, no? While I think Hamas' actions are morally, and strategically, wrong, it's hard to say they weren't expected. Almost no natives respond to colonialism like Ghandi. Ze'ev Jabotinsky recognized this fact, in 1923, when he fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted exactly how the natives would react ... fight it to the bitter end.
On top of the colonialism, Israel is also itself founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. Instead of condemning the actions of those terrorists, Israel elected terrorist leaders, like Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun and bombed the King David Hotel. Even further from condemning their own terrorism, Israel actually celebrates those terrorists. Israel has taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
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@headcrusher1966 Destroying confidence in the most progressive politians in congress, by calling them sellouts, fakes, shills, or whatnot, is a fucking problem. For what? For a vote guaranteed to fail. And, since there is no danger in it passing, there's no reason why those who have signed on for it wouldn't vote for it ... exposing nobody, and leaving you with the same names you have now. Plus, running the risk of them using the excuse that it was just voted on to put off voting for it again, for years. Attack the people against M4A, ffs, not those in favor of M4A.
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@shpluk Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Ethics of the Iron Wall ...
"Let us consider for a moment the point of view of those to whom this seems immoral. We shall trace the root of the evil to this – that we are seeking to colonise a country against the wishes of its population, in other words, by force. Everything else that is undesirable grows out of this root with axiomatic inevitability. What then is to be done?
The simplest way out would be to look for a different country to colonise. Like Uganda. But if we look more closely into the matter we shall find that the same evil exists there, too. Uganda also has a native population, which consciously or unconsciously as in every other instance in history, will resist the coming of the colonisers. It is true that these natives happen to be black. But that does not alter the essential fact. If it is immoral to colonise a country against the will of its native population, the same morality must apply equally to the black man as to the white. Of course, the blackman may not be sufficiently advanced to think of sending delegations to London, but he will soon find some kindhearted white friends, who will instruct him. Though should these natives even prove utterly helpless, like children, the matter would only become worse. Then if colonisation is invasion and robbery, the greatest crime of all would be to rob helpless children. Consequently, colonisation in Uganda is also immoral, and colonisation in any other place in the world, whatever it may be called, is immoral. There are no more uninhabited islands in the world. In every oasis there is a native population settled from times immemorial, who will not tolerate an immigrant majority or an invasion of outsiders. So that if there is any landless people in the world, even its dream of a national home must be an immoral dream. . Those who are landless must remain landless to all eternity. The whole earth has been allocated."
... the f*cking guy doesn't even think that "the simplest way out" is to not colonize another country.
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You probably missed the best years of TYT. Even before a few months ago, it was better. Cenk has said some ridiculous things, since putting out his book, that have no basis in reality. Even that he thinks he's eligible to run, as a Turkish born child, to non citizens, seems delusional. Ted Cruz's eligibility has been challenged, more than once. The rulings were that he was eligible, because he was considered a citizen by birth, due to his mom being a US citizen. The rulings were not that it didn't matter, as long as he was a citizen.
Other decent channels, if you are new to this ... The Rational National, The Majority Report, The Humanist Report, and more.
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@ENDURANCELAND Wow, you are so ignorant. When the Roman Empire converted, they forced Christianity on their population, persecuting pagans, and spreading it, as they conquered. There were Northern crusades force converting Northern Europeans. Crusades weren't a defense. They were an offense. One of the deadliest wars in history, was Chinese Christians trying to force Christianity on the rest of China, led by Jesus's Chinese brother.
Muslims didn't tend to force convert the population, either, which is why the Spanish population was still almost all Christians, when it was reconquered. The Christians who reconquered it, on the other hand, offered the Muslim and Jewish population the options of conversion, exile, or death. Jews fled with Muslims to the Ottoman Empire, where they were safer.
Israel's colonization is also the ethnic cleansing kind, like in the Americas. Muslims typically used the standard conquer and rule method, rather than the remove and replace method. Most "Arabs" are linguistically Arab, and don't actually originate from Arabia. Palestinian "Arabs", for example, are most closely related, genetically, to other peoples of the Levant, including the Jewish population, than they are to Arabian Arabs. They're the same peoples who have been ruled over by pagans, Jews, Christians, and Muslims, and not colonizers from the Arabian peninsula. They simply converted at some point, along the way.
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@xenomar9417 He uses the "doesn't prevent infection" strawman in this very video, instead of saying vaccines also significantly reduce infections. That's misleading people about the vaccines, not simply a no mandate argument. No vaccine 100% prevents infection, and yet he was good with mandating them before ...
"The point of mandatory vaccinations is not merely to protect those who are vaccinated. When it comes to measles, mumps and rubella, for example, children cannot be vaccinated until 1 year of age. The only way to prevent them from getting diseases is to ensure that those who surround them do not have those diseases. The same is true for children with diseases like leukemia, as well as pregnant women. Herd immunity is designed to protect third parties.
But Americans have short memories and enormous confidence in junk science. Parents will ignore vaccinations but ensure that their kids are stocked up with the latest homeopathic remedies, Kabbalah bracelets and crystals. St. John's wort, red string and crystals all existed before 1962. They didn't stop the measles. Vaccination did.
When it comes to measles and mumps and rubella and polio, your right to be free of vaccination -- and your right to be a dope with the health of your child because you believe Jenny McCarthy's idiocy -- ends where my child's right to live begins."
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@LastBref The thing is that his current tirade is not good on civil liberties. It's utter nonsense.
Ranting about editors asking for editorial rewrites, something that's been happening since the dawn of newspapers and literally part of their job, as if your "free speech" has been violated, is total trash.
Ranting as if private companies cancelling memberships, something that has been going on since the dawn of memberships, is some violation of "free speech", is total trash. A private property owner's right to have you removed from their private property has always trumped the non right to be on their property saying whatever you want. There's no such thing as "free speech" on private property. If he, Dore, or anyone else, actually wanted "free speech", were actually leftists, then they should not just whine about the lack of "free speech" on private property, as if that's something that ever existed. They should argue how it doesn't exist, how it can't be protected on private property, and make an argument for public ownership.
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@Who_dey Gotwins Nope. Yang only had his UBI stack with SSDI, not SSI. SSI already stacks with SNAP, which could put someone with a permanent disability around the $1000 a month mark already, more if they were a single parent with kids. Even though they could opt out of the UBI, they couldn't opt out of paying a VAT on anything beyond the very basics, and would effectively have less money with Yang's plan.
Yang is completely clueless as to how a VAT actually works, as well. It is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation (Which would be even worse!). Amazon, itself, has tutorial pages on how a VAT doesn't end up taxing businesses, but Yang kept claiming it was a way to force giant corporations to pay taxes. Yang's plan would have had money flowing to giant corporations and the super rich faster than ever before.
A public option may be better than the current situation, but it's not even close to M4A, and not to be confused with a private option.
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Absolutely zero people deny an embryo will become a child. The question is whether a mindless, emotionless, unfeeling, group of cells is currently a child, dumb dumb. Scientists can now create an embryo from just a sperm, which means every single sperm has the potential to become a child. Do you want to ban masturbating? Or, actually, maybe we should ban sex, and masturbate into cups, so we can turn every sperm into an embryo, instead of letting millions die trying to fertilize an egg.
Should we ban IVF? Most of the embryos don't take, or aren't used. It's a bloodbath.
A tiny percentage of abortions are late term, and almost always for health reasons, of some kind.
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@CatotheE Trump had been calling for months for the democratic process to be overturned, so he could become an unelected dictator. The majority of Republican lawmakers tried to overturn the democratic process, so he could become an unelected dictator. Tens of millions of Republicans believe the bullshit lies, that led hundreds of them to try and forcefully overthrow the democratic process, so he could become an unelected dictator. Ummm, there were stun guns, baseball bats, flagpoles, bear spray, pipe bombs, a working gallows, and, yes, some guns, you dimwit. How well armed, how successful, how many, etc., are all irrelevant to whether something is an insurrection, or not. It's the goal that makes it an insurrection, or not.
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@MiguelCruz-oz7km Most of his Dore knob talking points were also bullshit, as is usually the case. There's a difference between voting for the budget and voting for the state department appropriation bill. AOC voted against the appropriation bill. A vote against the budget is also a vote against Medicaid, Medicare, education, affordable housing, etc., etc., etc. She also voted against the military appropriation bill. These departments have their own individual budget request bills, before the budget vote.
Haven't run across a Dore knob, yet, that knows the Capitol Hill police bill was heavily amended in the senate, nor that she voted against it, on the final house vote.
The guy didn't even seem to know that the $15 got a vote already. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. Instead of doing something with the two precious lists of no voters, they just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it.
While Dore was claiming AOC had abandoned M4A, she was literally on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Adding yes votes to congress gets you closer to being able to pass the bill. Forcing a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, doesn't.
AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, in the last election. Some of those were in purple districts, and the progressive got absolutely creamed in the primaries, but the more conservative Dem managed to win the district. This midterm election is a whole other animal, and it's going to be a helluva fight to hang on to those purple district seats. Any leverage the guy thinks progressives have, rests entirely on Democrats being in the majority, and yet he sees no benefit in her helping to retain that majority. They'd prefer seeing Republicans become the majority.
They just look for any little thing to attack progressives over, while not seeming to care if fascists, that tried to overthrow the democratic process to keep Dumpty on as an unelected dictator, regain power. They're the kind of "leftists" that wind up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives, when their psycho extreme right allies no longer consider them useful.
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@makeamericagreatagain3401 So, you're a moron who's afraid of the boogie man word, "taxes", but not afraid of the words "premiums", "deductibles", or "copays"?
The US could immediately save on adminstrative costs, which are higher than other OECD countries, due to multipayers with different paperwork. Single payer also provides the power to negotiate down drug prices. It also removes the insurance profit margin. As per this video, they could also negotiate down hospital markups (above their costs, which would include salaries). There are multiple ways it could save on costs, before even touching doctor pay.
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@Bet Your lunch How did you stop Obama in 2013?
All I've heard Dore knobs blather about is the Steele dossier. Mueller didn't rely on the Steele dossier. The Mueller report included some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion), that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy. Mueller indicted 19 Russians, 3 Russian companies, a bunch of Trump cronies, and only didn't indict Jr and Kushner because he said it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't. So, are we supposed to believe that Republican investigator Mueller, the DNC, the FBI (run by Republicans for 6 of the past 10 presidential terms), Republicans like Romney, and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to frame Trump and make Pence president? Occam's Razor would suggest it's just a simple fact that Dumpty was getting info from Russians. Also, there was evidence of obstruction, which Republicans onve considered good enough to impeach Clinton over.
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Iraq is actually where he thinks Beau developed his cancer, which led to his death.
"Dating back to 2016, Biden has frequently tied Beau's death to his service in Iraq and burn pit exposure, including multiple times this year, the White House noted to the Washington Examiner Thursday morning. The president has also said that Beau's cancer and death were key factors driving his support for the PACT Act, a veterans-focused healthcare bill he signed into law in August."
And, who gives a f*ck, if it was the next day, or the next week. He did what he said he did, either way. It's not like he claimed to have seen Muslims dancing in the streets in Jersey (didn't happen). It's not like he took the opportunity to gloat that one of his buildings became the tallest (also a lie). It's not like he claimed to have personally witnessed people jumping from the towers, from his home (4 miles away, lie). It's not like he claimed to have gotten a grant for helping people (lie). And, it's not like he completely fabricated spending a lot of time at ground zero, and helping to clear rubble (lies).
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@timothyo718 Aaron is an idiot. Besides what I mentioned above, Israel, the US, France, and the UK, had started bombing Syria, before UN inspectors even made it to the site, to start their investigation. The final report didn't come out until months later. And, that final report, as per Russian security council demands, didn't assign blame to any party. It had no real bearing on anyone's decision to bomb Syria.
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@MatthewMortensen1 It already has a basic definition. "Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism." ~ Mussolini
Marx's ideal was for a stateless, non-authoritarian, direct democracy, form of socialism. The complete opposite is an ultra-nationalistic, authoritarian, anti-democratic, form of crony capitalism.
Democrats may have some undemocratic moments, and some flag waving here and there, but they are not outright anti-democratic and ultra-nationalistic. They aren't humping flagpoles, or trying to install an unelected dictator, aren't in a constant state of "patriotism" or constantly arguing "it's not a democracy, it's a republic", etc. Republicans are far more likely to justify police brutality, or "good guys" shooting people ... more likely to call for harsher laws and punishments. And, Republicans are all worse than the most conservative Dem, when it comes to lining the pockets of corporations, and fighting against workers.
The "Samesies!" argument is moronic.
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@alabamaman9476 Top 20 cities, 12 in red states ...
1. St. Louis, Missouri
> Murder rate: 88.1 per 100,000 people
2. Petersburg, Virginia
> Murder rate: 76.9 per 100,000 people
3. Pine Bluff, Arkansas
> Murder rate: 56.5 per 100,000 people
4. New Orleans, Louisiana
> Murder rate: 51.0 per 100,000 people
5. Saginaw, Michigan
> Murder rate: 50.2 per 100,000 people
6. Detroit, Michigan
> Murder rate: 49.7 per 100,000 people
7. Trenton, New Jersey
> Murder rate: 48.2 per 100,000 people
8. Harrisburg, Pennsylvania
> Murder rate: 46.7 per 100,000 people
9. Baton Rouge, Louisiana
> Murder rate: 46.5 per 100,000 people
10. Flint, Michigan
> Murder rate: 46.4 per 100,000 people
11. Riviera Beach, Florida
> Murder rate: 44.7 per 100,000 people
12. Memphis, Tennessee
> Murder rate: 44.4
13. Wilmington, Delaware
> Murder rate: 44.2 per 100,000 people
14. Cleveland, Ohio
> Murder rate: 42.2 per 100,000 people
15. Alexandria, Louisiana
> Murder rate: 41.3 per 100,000 people
16. Monroe, Louisiana
> Murder rate: 40.3 per 100,000 people
17. Shreveport, Louisiana
> Murder rate: 37.2 per 100,000 people
18. Portsmouth, Virginia
> Murder rate: 36.1 per 100,000 people
19. Kansas City, Missouri
> Murder rate: 35.2 per 100,000 people
20. Dayton, Ohio
> Murder rate: 32.8 per 100,000 people
Top 20 states, 12 red states ...
Louisiana 12.8
Maryland 10.4
Alabama 9.6
Mississippi 9
Arizona 9
Tennessee 8.3
Arkansas 8
South Carolina 7.9
New Mexico 7.9
Nevada 7.8
North Carolina 7.6
Missouri 7.3
Georgia 7.1
Michigan 6.9
California 6.9
Illinois 6.8
Delaware 6.6
Texas 6.5
Virginia 6.4
Pennsylvania 6.3
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Considering the fact that both parties, including all presidents, have supported Israel for decades, and that the vast majority of congress supports Israel (enough to override any presidential veto on the subject), blaming Biden for it all, doesn't really make sense ... and letting Trump win, will just make things worse. He was the first president to go as far as recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital. He was the one who peddled a "peace plan", that ignored Palestinians, and tried to completely normalize Israel's behavior, even amongst Arab countries. He's the one talking about making a pledge of allegiance to Israel, to get in the country, and reintroducing and expanding a Muslim ban. Plus, he would back the same thing, in Ukraine, letting Russia colonize and occupy whoever it wants. Then there's what he could do, domestically. Even if your only presidential options were Mussolini or Hitler ... Hitler is worse. Biden and Trump aren't exactly samesies.
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Lol @ all the bullshit, don't contribute to society, answers. Poor people tend to spend every penny they have, putting it all entirely back into the society. Hoarders of money put less back into the economy, per dollar, if they aren't spending every penny they've got. By that measure, it's the hoarders who contribute less.
Producers also tend to pass all costs onto consumers. Even if a corporation can't dodge all its taxes, they'll pass along the cost of what they can't dodge onto consumers. Those costs also include salaries and health care. By that measure, it's the consumers, including poor ones, who contribute more than the producers.
Producers provide a method for moving the money around, while taking a cut for themselves. An okay system with small businesses, where the producer is also the labourer, and they aren't hoarding vast amounts. A terrible system the more that is skimmed off the top, and not recirculated back into the economy. Might as well be a lord, living off the labour of his peasants, and hoarding vast amounts gold in the process.
So, it's because the system is looked at backwards, that people at the top are praised. You can not get the capitalism ball rolling without the capital in the hands of consumers. They are the ones providing.
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Ze'ev Jabotinsky, a Zionist himself, admitted that Zionism is colonialsim 100 years ago, and predicted exactly how the natives would react. US pilgrims worked with "good" natives. That's equivalent to saying you have a black friend, so can't be racist. Ben is completely full of shit, on this subject.
Israel was literally founded on terrorism, by terrorists. Menachem Begin was an Irgun terrorist, who blew up the King David Hotel. The Bezalel Smotrich guy, that Netanyahu put in charge of the West Bank, was arrested for terrorism, he's a major homophobe, he's a racist, and he has a public plan to subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, every non Jew in all Israel/Palestine.
Ben just made himself look like a biased hack.
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@roberttelford745 The progressives who backed Bernie and M4A during the last primaries, instead of Tulsi and a public option. The progressives who helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, which gets you closer to being able to pass the bill. The progressives who were just trying help add another M4A yes vote to congress, in Nina Turner, who Dore abandoned.
The progressives who did vote against the stand alone rearming Israel bill, and introduced bills to put conditions on aid to Israel. You Dore knob dimwits wanted them to vote against the entire foreign aid budget, that included aid to Palestinians, as well as non military aid around the world?
And what is it with your stupid obsession with Syria? There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use, hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple NGO witnesses, independent investigations, legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, on top of the numerous UN investigations that had zero dissenting opinions, since 2013, plus tons of other human rights violations. Two dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that investigation, let alone all the others. The investigation you dimwits keep blathering about didn't even start until after the US, and others, were already bombing Syria, and the final report didn't come out until almost a year later, plus it didn't even assign blame as per Russian security council demands. It wasn't used as grounds for the bombing, ffs.
You're being played by a grifter, Dore knob.
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Antifa: property destruction, punching, and milkshaking
White supremacists: property destruction, punching, shooting up mosques, synagogues, temples, black people in church, Hispanic people shopping, driving into crowds of people, and behind much of the hate crimes and domestic terrorism
Yeah, the first sounds way worse.
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@DumbAssSpeakingWithMansVoice The covid mortality rate has always been estimated at about 1%, 10x deadlier than the flu (which has seen it's own pandemic years, in the past), with even higher verifiable case fatality rates.
If the US had a mediocre response, similar to Canada, Norway, Denmark, Germany ... their deaths per million rates would translate into 300+k fewer covid deaths in the US. If the US had an amazing response, similar to Vietnam, S Korea, New Zealand, Australia ... their deaths per million rate would translate into 500+k fewer covid deaths in the US.
Right wingers continuing with their death panels, deciding certain people have passed their expiry dates, so it's okay to kill hundreds of thousands of them.
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@DesignerDave Dore has a video where he makes out like covid deaths are "WILDLY inflated". In it, he starts with total population hospitalization rates (vaccinated 0.01%, unvaccinated 0.89%), taken from a Gallup article. The proper "death rate", to compare to a total population hospitalization rate, would be the covid crude mortality rate (currently about 0.26%). That number is easy to find, and it's even easy to do the math yourself (take total population, total covid deaths, and work out the percentage). There's nothing incompatible with a 0.9% total population hospitalization rate and a 0.26% total population "death rate".
Instead, Jimmy claims he can't find a current "death rate", or even one within the past year and a half ... and is apparently also too stupid to figure out any rates himself ... so uses a year and a half old "death rate", that is clearly a case fatality rate (3.4%), based on deaths per confirmed case (the hospitalizations rates weren't per confirmed case). Then he dishonestly compares those two rates, that are based on completely different math, to make out like covid deaths are being "WILDLY inflated" ... you know, because 3.4% is so much higher than 0.9%.
Many anti-maskers/anti-vaxxers types have long argued that covid isn't any worse than a cold or flu, making it unnecessary to take precautions, masks or vaccines. Jimmy's dishonest video panders to that anti-mask/anti-vax bullshit.
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@ruminationstation4200 Canada's testing rate is also 27 people per confirmed case, while the US testing rate is 13.7 people per confirmed case. While it may be accurate to say that mailing tests is a step the US is now taking that the Canadian government hasn't, it would have been more accurate for David to point out that the US still needs to catch up to Canada, and not the other way around.
Total tests and tests per million are kind of irrelevant numbers that are totally disconnected from the covid numbers. Tests per confirmed case tells you how you're doing compared to the virus spread. Dumpty was bragging about totals and tests per million, meanwhile the US was testing at a rate of about 5 people per confirmed case, at the time. Meanwhile, countries like A Korea, Vietnam, Australia, and New Zealand, were testing 50+ people per confirmed case. Testing rates seem to have a strong correlation to how well countries have contained the virus. The US should be increasing testing by a helluva lot more than 500k home tests.
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@dirkdiggler7277 Biden didn't shut down any functioning pipelines, so didn't reduce delivery. OPEC prices have been historically cheaper. They kept oil prices pretty steady in the $15-30 a barrel range, for years. It was American oil companies that wanted prices higher, because oil production in N America costs more. Bush broke having lower, and fairly steady, gas prices. Gas prices dropped during the height of the pandemic, and are now back up to pre pandemic levels. They were lower because so much was shut down ... so lower no thanks to Trump, who argued against shutdowns, and higher thanks to all the states opening up.
Trump could have avoided having as many shutdowns by not having a completely incompetent covid response. He could also have had better oversight for businesses that took covid money to keep paying employees, but instead took covid money and fired employees. Countries with excellent to mediocre covid responses also weren't as negatively impacted economically.
Trump was a xenophobe for only stopping foreigners coming from China. He let a ton of Americans return from China, and keep traveling to and from China, as if Americans were immune.
The first vaccine out of the gate had nothing to do with Trump's "operation warp speed". Vaccines in other countries, that had nothing to do with ows, also came out at similar times to ones that did. There's no evidence that Trump did anything that actually sped up the vaccine rollout.
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@loulfw2513 FTV was asking for a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, hypocrite. AOC actively backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives with her platform and PAC, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Adding enough yes votes is, literally, the only possible way to ever pass a bill in congress. She has been doing the exact thing that needs doing.
On the M4A march day, AOC was campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A while doing so, and again actively trying to increase the number of M4A yes votes in congress. Dore abandoned Nina, he abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, M4A marchers didn't go support her, he then turned around and slandered AOC, claiming she was the one who abandoned M4A. Bush has been focused on the immediate eviction problem, both in her district, and federally.
Your heading is being filled by a lying grifter, who doesn't actually give two craps if anyone gets healthcare. He didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, he didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, he doesn't care that the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence and that that route won't get anyone healthcare in the next century. He doesn't care.
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@jmcc2275 Nazis didn't live inside the Warsaw ghetto. You don't have to live inside an area to occupy it. Israel controls the borders, ports, airspace, who goes in and out, what goes in and out, electricity, water, and Bibi even controls the money from Qatar, having stopped and started it multiple times. Gaza is an open air WWII style fascist ghetto.
In the West Bank, Israel has never stopped colonizing. Over 1000 Palestinians ethnically cleansed, prior to Oct 7, this year. 700k colonizers.
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Bryzz Lull Ummm, you should read a history book, or two. There was no American founding in the 16th century. Jamestown wasn't even settled until 1607, the beginning of the 17th century. Plymouth was settled in 1620. Then came waves of Puritans, who basically created a theocracy. They enslaved or killed natives that didn't convert. They banished, persecuted, or killed other Christians who didn't conform, including Quakers. They banished, persecuted, or killed non-Christians. They killed people for "witchcraft". They forced church attendance. They forced a dress code. They outlawed PDAs. Etc. There was no liberty, at all.
By the time the later 18th century rolled around, when the 1775 revolution occurred, British parliamentarians had already fought three civil wars against royalists, and chopped off a king's head, over a hundred years earlier. They had also already enacted a number of bills outlining subject rights (petition of right, habeas corpus act, and bill of rights), during that time, as well. What American revolutionaries originally wanted was the same rights and freedoms as those in the motherland, where those things had already existed for over a century. British common law was so much better than colonial laws at protecting individual rights, slavery couldn't survive it. When Americans created their own constitution and bill of rights, they used the British one as a model. But, their rights didn't protect everyone's liberty, and they still conserved chattel slavery, and only managed to get rid of it by fighting a bloody civil war against those willing to kill and die to conserve it forever, decades after the British Empire had abolished it in all the other colonies it still owned, and everyone said okay, without a fight.
Those millions of freed American slaves, and their descendants, were still stripped of rights, discriminated against, persecuted, and even killed, for another hundred years, before the US came up with a civil rights act, after a great struggle against those trying to conserve those lack of rights, that finally protected everyone. Americans are actually a slow bunch, when it comes to freedoms, compared to many other countries, due to so many of them trying to conserve the exact opposite of liberty. They are not at the forefront, at all.
America "created" so much, for so many, because it had a ton of open land (well, once the natives were cleared out), and people were given free land ... government handouts. This also happened in Canada and Australia, both of which rank better than the US on the freedom index, on the happiness index, on quality of life, on healthcare, on education, etc., etc.
Conservatives do not believe in smaller government. They love a big military and expanded policing, both of which are expanding government. Conservatives do not believe in a free market, and work towards helping monopolies, all the time, as well as support corporate welfare.
So, all you basically said was ... conservatives believe in pure bullshit and propaganda.
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C'mon, a primary is different than a third party. Not, at all, the same. A third party run splits the vote during the general election. In Canada, Conservatives only get a majority of votes in 2 provinces, and yet they win, with little more than a third of the vote, in more provinces, and even federally, because the rest of the votes are split between Libs (Dem light) and the NDP (progressives). It's just math. Cornell should have run as a Dem, in the primary. Anything else is just asking for Republican rule.
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Rofl. He just defined agnosticism, almost exactly how Huxley did, only he called it "atheism". Idiot.
Huxley was a scientist, above all else. He saw the scientific method in picking apples at the market. The agnosticism he defined was a belief in that scientific method, and it amounted to a form of demarcation. No objective testable evidence = a subjective unfalsifiable claim. Results: unscientific and inconclusive. No belief as to the truth, or falsehood, of the claim. It is not compatible with athe-ism, a belief gods do not exist, or the-ism, a belief gods do exist.
“I say, strive earnestly to learn something, not only of the results, but of the methods of science, and then apply those methods to all statements which offer themselves for your belief. If they will not stand that test, they are nought, let them come with what authority they may.”
"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe."
"That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe, without logically satisfactory evidence; and that reprobation ought to attach to the profession of disbelief in such inadequately supported propositions."
This New A-theism stuff is nonsense.
"In this interpretation an atheist becomes: not someone who positively asserts the non-existence of God; but someone who is simply not a theist. Let us, for future ready reference, introduce the labels ‘positive atheist’ for the former and ‘negative atheist’ for the latter.
The introduction of this new interpretation of the word ‘atheism’ may appear to be a piece of perverse Humpty-Dumptyism, going arbitrarily against established common usage. ‘Whyever’, it could be asked, ‘don’t you make it not the presumption of atheism but the presumption of agnosticism?’" ~ Antony Flew
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He proved he was objectively delusional to think a Trump presidency would be better for progressives ... that it would lead to a progressive wave which would "for sure" take the house and senate in 2018, and the presidency in 2020 ... that Republicans would join with the left to obstruct a Trump agenda ... that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan. He proved he was operating outside of reality when he claimed Stein, who was only on the ballot in like 10 states, had a shot.
AOC just got done campaigning for Bernie and backed 20 other progressives, helping to remove a few more corporate Dems and add a few more M4A yes votes to congress. To make out like that's a worse ally than ancap Boogaloos is actually insane. Getting a guaranteed to fail vote on M4A was supposedly supposed to be useful in pressuring or replacing those opposed. Progressives get the $15 to stay in for a round of voting, and suddenly that's not useful in going after those opposed, but instead useful in continuing to shit on progressives.
There's gaslighting, and then there's actually being delusional. Sam was right on the mark, predicting the reality of multiple scotus seats being filled. So, obviously Jimmy was gaslighting. Jimmy has been proven to be delusional, and is therefore actually delusional.
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@Anxh007 Yeah, that's a load of crap. Turkey is the last remnant of the Ottoman Empire, not Saudi. Women there are fighting to keep abortion rights, like in the US, and homosexuality was never illegal, because they carried over Ottoman laws, which had already decriminalized it. Jews had lived in relative peace in Muslim nations, for 1300 years, been given refuge when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. Plenty of accounts of Christian crusaders being the most bigoted, ruthless, and fanatic, during the Crusades. Etc.
Most of the current Muslim nations were created by the Christian west. Carving up the Ottoman Empire was as if nations conquered the US, with the help of far right Christian militia groups, and then handed those religious nuts some of the states to rule over, like theocracies, after.
And then, if any more moderate leftist Muslims rose up, those same Christian nations helped overthrow them, with coups, or again backing religious extremists. So, yeah, the West wanting to keep the current socio-economic status, in those countries, has been tied to more extremism. Just like how they supported fascists, in Central/South America, to try and keep the status quo, keep people down, and keep the money flowing in the direction they wanted.
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@Sez B 20 years? They both jumped further right with McCarthyism, the Red Scare, and the Cold War. The Democrat party ditched being the union party for workers, and joined being another corporate party. More Democrats, now, might be slightly left of Bill Clinton, but he was well right of FDR.
The Republicans have gone crazy far right, keeping that McCarthyism mentality, along with a theocratic mentality, adding in Southern racists, adding in Tea Party nutters, working up an 8 year racist frenzy against Obama ... and then, after creating this crazy core, Trump came along and hijacked it, playing on all their worst attributes.
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@thefreerepublicofadmiralpr2935
How is a peace deal with the UAE, "meaningful"? It didn't resolve anything with regards to Israel-Palestine, and caused tensions between the UAE and other nations.
Trump also removed environmental protections, endangered species protections, etc., that allowed for the killing of more animals and more destruction of their habitat.
Opioid deaths continued to increase. What did Trump do, exactly?
Trump dropped more bombs than Obama. He clearly warred against people and countries.
Oil exports have been increasing, yearly, since 2010. The US was already a net exporter of oil, before Dumpty. Natural gas exports have been increasing, yearly, since 2014. What is it Dumpty did, exactly, that wasn't already happening?
85% of contraband comes through entry points, dumb dumb. Plus, cartels own more planes than Mexican airlines. They also have boats. They also have tunnels. They also have catapults. They don't tend to send their contraband across rivers and deserts, being carried by the most likely people to be picked up by border patrol.
The prices of over 800 drugs went up in 2020. Drug companies are increasing prices on over 1k drugs in 2021. What did Trump do, exactly?
I'm stopping there. You seem to be spewing a load of crap.
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@runner6500 Dimwit. The original antifa was fighting against fascism in Italy, Spain, and Germany. Just saying people protesting, even rioting, equates to fascism, is beyond stupid. That would make every uprising in history "fascists", including colonial Americans protesting, rioting, tarring and feathering, destroying private property ... all because they didn't want to pay an extra tax specifically to fund the police/military.
Removing what people are fighting for, from the equation, is idiotic.
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@Exit_Sign Facts: Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@A_Derpy_NINJA Do you even know what a "grift" is? Sure, he says stuff, but the whole point is that he's selling himself as something he's not.
In 2016, Dore promoted Trump (platform: kick 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). He also promoted the idea that Stein had a shot. If he convinced even a single swing state voter not to bother going out to vote against Trump, or to vote Stein, then he helped Trump win.
For the 2020 primaries, he promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A). If he convinced even a single person not to vote Bernie, then he helped Bernie lose. Then, he spent the general running a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, again trying to help Trump win.
A disagreement over a performance art vote was enough for him to portray other progressives as enemies, and then he turns around and promotes allying with far right nutty ancap Boogaloos, that want a civil war. That's the kind of idiot move that lands you on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives.
He goes on Tucker mainly to agree with him.
He abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress.
He, again, is promoting third party fantasies, to draw off progressive votes, and hand power to Republicans, just as the broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems.
He slanders progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, to try and get people to lose confidence in them.
He, at least, benefits the right more than the left.
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@velvet1865 The Hindutva founder wasn't even religious. He redefined what it meant to be "Hindu". His definition did not include Muslims, Christians, or Jews.
"As World War II become imminent, Savarkar had initially advocated a policy of neutralism centered on India's geostrategic equations but his rhetoric grew coarser with time and he expressed consistent support for Hitler's policy about Jews.[107][108] In a speech on 14 October, it was suggested that Hitler's ways be adopted for dealing with Indian Muslims.[107] On 11 December, he characterized the Jews as a communal force.[107] Next March, Savarkar would welcome Germany's revival of Aryan culture, their glorification of Swastika, and the "crusade" against Aryan enemies — it was hoped that German victory would finally invigorate the Hindus of India.[107]
On 5 August 1939, Savarkar highlighted how a common strand of "thought, religion, language, and culture" was essential to nationality thus preventing the Germans and Jews from being considerable as one nation.[107] By the year end, he was directly equating the Muslims of India with German Jews — in the words of Chetan Bhatt, both were suspected of harboring extra-national loyalties and became illegitimate presences in an organic nation.[107][108][109] These speeches circulated in German newspapers with Nazi Germany even allotting a point-of-contact person for engaging with Savarkar, who was making sincere efforts to forge a working relationship with the Nazis. Eventually, Savarkar would be gifted with a copy of Mein Kampf.[107]"
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@truthache8560 The guy re-uped, after already retiring, when he didn't have to.
Maybe you are thinking of Vance, who stayed stateside on his couch, when his unit went to Afghanistan, then stayed stateside on his couch, for 2 more years, when his unit went to Iraq. After his unit made a safe base (safe enough for Bush to visit), Vance finally joined them for 6 months, before abandoning them, and heading back stateside, to spend his last 9 months on a couch.
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@truthache8560 Blah, blah. Both parties ... exact same rules. You're the one trying to dance around that fact. Also, JB said she'd be his VP again, all the way back in Jan 2022. Anyone who didn't know they were voting for her as his backup, would have to be as sharp as a spoon, like you.
Over 500k preventable American dths, was better? That's a pretty uncaring thing to say.
Ironic, claiming projection, considering the fact that DT's businesses have routinely failed, while KH was actually quite successful as a prosecutor.
Just being a friend of someone wealthy isn't the issue, dmwt. The issue was that they were laughing at the concept of Musk firing people for even thinking about striking or unionizing. That was a potential president, letting all the big business owners know he's on their side, and opposed to labor laws. That was them laughing at the idea of keeping the caste system alive.
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@nameisamine Racism isn't strictly about colour, or ethnicity. Racists tend to think their race, or ethnic group, is superior for some reasons, and they assign certain characteristics to their imagined ideal specimen. Most white supremacists, for example, tend to assign Christianity, or at least Christian culture/heritage, as a characteristic of their ideal specimen. You know, claiming Christianity created the Western world, or whatever. So, they don't consider Jews, most of whom are white, to be one of them. Some even specifically assign Protestantism as a characteristic, and don't consider Catholics to be one of them. Likewise for Muslims. Whether those people are actually of a different race, or not, they get treated as if they are. Like, instead of "no Catholics" signs, in the US, places had "no Irish" or "no Italians", treating them as if they were different races, than other Europeans, rather than simply a different religion. So, yes, saying people look like a mailbox could be considered racist.
You could nitpick for it to be called "bigotry" but, either way, it's discriminatory and dehumanizing.
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@libertybell5796 Your bell is cracked.
"He made proposal after proposal to circumvent the increasingly entrenched positions: colonial representation in Parliament, reorganization of the empire on a more equal basis, the establishment of a paper currency fund in the colonies to meet the revenue requirement, a return to the old requisition system, etc."
https://web.lib.unb.ca/winslow/franklin.html
"Some Americans called for colonial representation in Parliament. As James Otis put it in The Rights of the British Colonies Asserted and Proved:"
https://www.libertarianism.org/publications/essays/excursions/sons-liberty-resistance-stamp-act-part-two
"In the course of the 1760s and 1770s, William Pitt the Elder, Sir William Pulteney, and George Grenville, amongst other prominent Britons and colonial Americans, such as Joseph Galloway, James Otis, Jr., Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, the London Quaker Thomas Crowley, Royal Governors such as Thomas Pownall M.P., William Franklin, Sir Francis Bernard, and the Attorney-General of Quebec, Francis Maseres, debated and circulated plans for the creation of colonial seats in London, imperial union with Great Britain, or a federally representative British Parliament with powers of taxation that was to consist of American, West Indian, Irish and British Members of Parliament."
http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/eng/taxation_without_representation#Representative_Proposals_before_1776
And most of those who didn't consider representation in parliament feasible, simply wanted semi independence, and not complete independence from the crown, even up to the First Congressional Congress. Revolution and complete independence was only settled on as a last resort, after they felt they exhausted all other options and negotiations.
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George Orwell was an anarchist/socialist, who went to Spain in hopes to fight fascists. Right wing fascists were the leaders, and media, in his book. He wrote about the kind of leaders, and media, who might, for example, make morons believe there has been an effective pandemic response, when the numbers clearly indicate the exact opposite. Or, make morons believe that propping up corporations is good for the little guy, that money will trickle down. Etc.
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@t-swizzle8102 A "ruckus" is a subjective term. It means different things to different people. She has her own idea of what a "ruckus" is. She didn't run on Jimmy's idea of what a "ruckus" is. That's him strawmanning. She was on the ground, promoting M4A, while campaigning for Nina Turner, against the heavily backed DNC candidate. In the last election, she used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, and helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress.
She also didn't run on getting a floor vote on M4A. She mentioned in an interview, that they couldn't get a floor vote on M4A, and I doubt she was thinking along the lines of paralyzing the house, something that hadn't happened in 100 years. She most definitely never ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. Why would she want to start an all out intra party war, over a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote? The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Then what happens, if you've started an all out war? You'll never have a progressive speaker, until progressives become the majority of the house, instead of just the majority of the party.
Shouldn't you Dore knobs be migrating over to right wing Rumble, where Glenn and Dore signed on to get them some Peter Thiel CIA money? You're all just right wingers, trying to tank progressives.
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@flip.flap. Most of it is basic stuff. Nixon bio for his House and HUAC years, 64/68 Civil Rights votes (mainly divided by geography, not party, Southern Republicans also voted against, Northern Democrats mostly voted for), and maps of the 1968 and 1972 presidential elections. As for the California senate race, between "Tricky Dick" and "The Pink Lady", there's a good Slate article ...
Actress, Opera Star, Congresswoman
Helen Gahagan Douglas fought for liberty—and watched Richard Nixon end her political career.
BY KARINA LONGWORTH
APRIL 14, 2016
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@dumpsternimrod9927 BJG spewed some bullshit. It is actually true that Jimmy's "plan" would have handed the speakership to McCarthy. Without anyone else amending his plan, what he kept saying was for 15 progressives to simply "withhold their votes for", or "not vote for", Pelosi. That implies abstaining. He never said they should cast protest votes for someone else. For every 2 empty seats, absentees, or abstentions, the threshold needed to win drops by 1. There were already 2 empty seats. 2 empty seats + 15 abstentions = -8 to the threshold, lowering it to 210. If every Dem voted Pelosi, she'd get 207. If every Republican voted McCarthy, he'd get 211, and win.
The very fact that Pelosi just won with less than 218 is proof Jimmy saying it needed to be 218, is false. The very fact that Boehner won with less than 218 is proof Jimmy's 218 claims were false.The very fact that you can have a voting quarum with only 218 members present, and only need to win a majority of voting members present is evidence you don't need anywhere close to 218, to win.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@aarondickson9573 No, it doesn't, if the US government itself doesn't make any trade deals with them. There's a difference between the US government not trading with Cuba, and the US government not allowing US companies, or other countries or foreign companies, to trade with Cuba.
Yeah, it's not the "dictatorship" part they have a problem with. They'll even overthrow democratically elected politicians, who aren't communists, for simply trying to nationalize a single resource. And, they'll support and prop up the likes of Saudi, or Batista.
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@Jash Shah If they're religious, point out that means they're hypocrites for worshipping a "baby killer". Studies have now shown that the majority of pregnancies end in miscarriage. Most women just don't know they're pregnant before it happens. Meaning, their "god" is aborting the majority of pregnancies ... killing the majority of "babies".
You can also point out that tons of fertilized eggs, "babies", aren't used (often destroyed, buried, or used for science), or don't take and die, in the IVF industry, and ask if they're also opposed to IVF. If they aren't also anti-IVF, then they're hypocrites.
You can try a trolley experiment, and ask them: If there's a newborn baby on one track, a petri dish of 10 fertilized eggs on the other, and the trolley is heading for the petri dish, would they pull the lever to make the trolley run over the newborn or let it run over the petri dish? If they'd let it run over the petri dish, then they don't really consider it to be full of 10 "babies". If they make it run over the newborn, tell them how disgusting that choice is, with baby guts and brains splattered everywhere, and then tell them the petri dish was on its way for IVF disposal anyway.
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By them and their businesses not paying their share.
Bezos is a billionaire douchebag who only claims $80k in income, while making billions a year. These billionaires live on loans or lines of credit, which don't count as taxable income, taken out against their stock values, to avoid paying for the infrastructure that helped make them rich, to avoid paying for the military that protects shipping lanes and corporate interests abroad, and to avoid helping pay for healthcare and social security for the elderly. Musk is a billionaire douchebag who has a 50k salary, that he hasn't even taken. Zuckerberg is a billionaire douchebag who gets paid $1. The few times they do sell off some stock is generally tied to a stock option purchase, where they can sell off current stock at full price, pay the taxes on that, and then buy more stocks at a fraction of the value, that are then worth full value, making money out of the whole deal. Then, they can use that year of paying taxes to get tax credits against years they don't. They're leeches.
If Amazon transports a million items over US roads and highways to a million customers, Amazon has benefited from those roads and highways a million times more than each of those customers. If Apple ships a million phones from its sweat shops in China to a million US customers, they have benefited a million times more from the military than each of those customers. Etc.
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@edwardrosser938 Oh geez, missed this nonsense "fascism" comment. Tons of people warred against fascism to out an end to, and silence fascism. Denazification tried to silence fascism. To strip down the definition of "fascism", to simply mean silencing a political opponent, turns everyone who fought against fascism, fascists. It's a ridiculous use of the word.
Plenty of businesses require shirts and shoes, others require suits and ties. Governments pretty much everywhere require you to, at least, cover your junk. Are they all "fascists
There have been vaccine mandates for over a century. There are dozens of vaccine mandates for public school kids and immigrants. If that's fascism, then pretty much every developed country is already "fascist".
You should, seriously, read up on what fascism actually is. It's a totality of characteristics, not a single characteristic.
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@edwardrosser938 Now you're going full blown stupid. Cancer and heart disease aren't contagious. Something that is a leading cause of those things though, smoking, is treated much the same. Countries have extra healthcare taxes on cigarettes. Insurance companies charge more for smokers. Pretty much all public places have banned smoking. Want to smoke? Step outside. Don't want to wear a mask, or be vaccinated? Step outside.
Multiple places are also trying junk food taxes, to discourage, and help pay for, things that lead to obesity and diabetes.
A 1% covid infection fatality rate is 2x the polio paralysis rate, and 20x the polio infection fatality rate. Plus, it is far more contagious than polio. I assume you want to ditch polio vaccine mandates.
There are about 6m reported automobile accidents, per year, in the US. There are also an estimated 10m unreported accidents. There are about 40k deaths. Covid's 1% death rate is 4x that of automobile accidents. Plus, again, far more frequent. I assume you want to ditch licensing mandates, insurance mandates, speeding laws, seatbelt laws, all signs and lights, etc., because it's far less deadly than covid.
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@patrickriarchy1976 See. Yang Gangers reply about something completely different than what I'm talking about. You're so clueless about the VAT, you addressed a completely different problem with the VAT, pulled out of a Yang Gang copy and paste playbook. Bezos could pay $100m on a brand new $1b yacht, every single year, and he still could have made billions extra a year, with Yang's VAT/UBI combo. Mass amounts of money constantly funneling to the very top, where it's hoarded, is unsustainable. It's already why things are failing.
Progressive taxes are definitely better, if done properly. Loopholes should be closed. The way Yang explains how a tax/ubi combo should work, is correct. It should be corporations paying for the UBI, like in Alaska, which he repeatedly, and dishonestly, compared his plan to. The problem is he dishonestly, or moronically, picked a tax that doesn't do what he says. If you want a $4t UBI, it just so happens that the top US corporations are hoarding about $4t. That's what should be taxed to pay for it.
In a future, where you predict ever increasing unemployment, as robots take over, you can't depend on a tax paid by increasingly unemployed consumers. The corporations need to pay for it.
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@alexandermiller1741 Greenwald doesn't seem to know what "free speech" is. He ranted about "free speech" because editors, whose jobs have included asking writers for rewrites since the dawn of publishing, asked him for a rewrite. He has gone off about losing "free speech" on social media, when there was never such a thing as "free speech" on someone else's private property (which also applies to his former publisher), to begin with. If you don't have a right to be on someone else's private property, then you don't have a right to be on someone else's private property blathering about whatever you want. I haven't heard him, or "socialist" Jimmy, let people know that free speech would come with public ownership. I haven't heard them criticize the far right for creating giant corporations, with so much power. I haven't heard them defend the left, and point out that giant corporations, run by centibillionaires, some of whom donate more to Republicans and whose algorithms promote more right wing crap, aren't leftist, in the least. I haven't heard them point out that inciting an insurrection isn't even protected speech. Etc. They seem to be coming at it from an entirely right wing "free speech" angle.
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@eddieisfiction Rofl. Ironic. Dore has just spent weeks bashing other progressives as "fakes", "frauds", "shills", "sellouts", etc. He made not just being pro-M4A a purity test, but his FTV tactic and use of slander as a purity test, writing off any progressives who disagreed, even if they only disagreed on the slander use. Then he turns around and welcomes far right Libertarian/ancap Boogs as allies, simply because they agree on a few anti-authoritarian issues, even though they have completely opposite economic goals, including M4A. He's a hypocritical moron.
You know who is the only one who can benefit, when you claim Trump is the better option than Clinton? Trump. You know who is the only one who can benefit from running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, Biden? Trump. You know who can only benefit from possibly peeling off progressive voters from Dem progressives? Corporate Dems and Republicans.
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2016: Dore promoted Trump as the better option, not caring if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, and not caring to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion.
2020 primaries: Dore promoted Tulsi and her "Medicare choice", rather than Bernie and M4A.
2020 general: Dore ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, again not caring if Republicans might finally repeal Medicaid expansion, and again not caring to try for Medicare expansion and/or a public option.
Dec 2020: Dore is the one true champion of healthcare, and anyone who disagrees is a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer", or whatever crazy nonsense.
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@noqb2862 The 40 million elderly collecting Medicare and social security, who'd benefit from expanding both, didn't work hard?
Workers, who would benefit from less costly healthcare, healthcare not tied to their employer, and from wages instead of employer healthcare spending, higher minimum wages, higher unionization, and more democratic work places, don't work hard?
Students who have earned degrees, but are still having a tough time getting ahead due to mountains of debt, didn't work hard for them?
Who are you talking about?
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@Addamo A performance art vote isn't itself M4A, Dore knob. If you already know you need to convert or replace 100+ people in the house alone, trying to ferret out a few more fakers, who can still vote for it knowing it has zero chance of passing, is a waste of everyone's time.
The party's speaker candidate is chosen by simple majority in the party caucus. Even the broader progressive caucus doesn't have enough votes to block Pelosi being the party's speaker candidate. The corporate Dems don't have to pick someone new, if you paralyze the house. They can keep picking her over and over and over, if they want. So, how long do you paralyze the house for, during a pandemic ... no new covid relief, no new unemployment extension, no new vaccine funding, etc.?
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@AwesomeBlackDude Biden never ran on a number of those things, so you'd have to be stupid to expect them from him. Others are being worked on right now.
The $15 got a vote. Remember when some supposed leftists promoted that just getting a vote on an important progressive policy would be a big deal? It even passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell) and also got a senate vote. Remember when some supposed leftists promoted that getting a list of no voters would be a big deal, and that they'd do something with it? Turns out those supposed leftists were lying pathetic useless hypocrites, and they just keep bitching about, and slandering, those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it.
HR 1 would actually benefit third parties, with government matching funds, if they can meet a fairly low threshold. Third parties are still a fantasy, unless there are major changes to the system. Getting 15 more progressives in the Democratic party would give you more power than 100 seats as a third party (which would take over a century ... the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence).
The US was already bombing Somalia, under Trump. Why are you saying it like it's new news shocker? Surely the rabid anti-interventionists have been repeatedly talking about Trump was dropping more bombs than Obama, rather than whining about Democrats.
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@xD4B5x Anti-authoritarian doesn't equate to "left". A majority of black voters voted for Biden, who is clearly a Republican light Democrat, over Bernie. Colonial Americans had protests, riots, destroyed private property, tarred and feathered loyalists, ànd eventually started a war ... against a tax specifically to fund the police/military. One of the last straws, for them, was when red coats, fearing for their lives against violent protesters, shot a bunch of those violent protesters. Do you consider them radical left terrorists?
Can you give an example of a "black supremacist" gathering similar to Charlottesville's Unite the Right gathering? Charlottesville had Nazi flag wavers, Confederate flag wavers, other white supremacist/nationalist flag wavers, KKK speakers, white nationalist speakers, etc.
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@publiopaolacci495 Thinking the DNC, the FBI, Republicans like Mueller, Australian officials, and others, conspired together to oust Trump and install Pence as president, isn't the weird conspiracy theory? An investigation that indicted 26 Russians, 3 Russian companies, provided 200 pages of non conspiracy level information sharing (collusion), and only didn't indict Jr and Kushner for conspiracy because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law, is the weird conspiracy theory? You seem to have skipped over years of multiple Benghazi investigations that found absolutely no wrongdoing whatsoever, to jump to "Russiagate" being normalized.
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@bretf5038 I couldn't even make it through your first paragraph of lies. Archaeology shows that the Philistines simply settled and merged with the local Canaanite population. They didn't ethnically cleanse them, or genocide them. Palestinians still have Canaanite DNA. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. It is similar to the Dal Riata Scots, from Ireland, settling in northern Britain and the north all becoming Scotland and all the people there becoming Scots.
All, or part, of the region has been called some variation of Palestine, by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks (Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be "in Palestine"), before the Romans. The Western Romans simply put the name back to Palestine. The name carried on with the Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims, Christian crusaders, Ottomans, British, and the first Zionist congress (who wanted to create a home "in Palestine").
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@therationalnational Side note, David: As a Canadian living with a VAT (GST), you should do a bit on how a VAT actually works, for Yang and his gang. They seem to be clueless about the fact that it's built into the system that businesses get paid back for their input VAT. Meaning, Yang's claim that a VAT forces corporations to "pay their fair share" is bogus.
Many gangers also seem to be under the delusion that exempting "staples" means only big ticket luxury items will be taxed. We exempt staples, here in Canada, but that doesn't include the electric bill, phone bill, internet bill, cable bill, toys, games, basically any entertainment with a cost, non staple snacks and pop, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance ... many things that still affect ordinary people.
Since it doesn't actually tax corporations like Amazon, handing consumers $3t, and Amazon's share of consumer spending being 2%, instead of making them pay, he'll make them an extra $60b a year. That would make Bezos something like an extra $12b a year. He'd have to personally blow over $120b a year on goods and services with a VAT to pay in more than he'd get out of the plan. If giant corporations and the super rich get more out of the plan than they pay in, that means someone else is paying in more than they're getting out.
Since it does tax many day to day items, those already getting $1000+ a month in government assistance would be worse off. Opting in or out won't give them any extra money, but they can't opt out of paying a VAT. As an example: any single parent on full SSI disability ($775), that currently stacks with SNAP ($355+ for household of 2+), will be worse off. Yang has neither stack with UBI.
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@RobCipher The covid vaccines are proving to be effective for everyone, of all age categories. A 0.1% infection fatality rate is also the flu's pre vaccine infection fatality rate. So, you're removing older people from the equation (partly because you don't grasp how herd immunity works, and how everyone being vaccinated helps old people as well), just so you could point out that covid is as deadly for the individual as pre-vaccine influenza, while ignoring that it is far more contagious meaning more deadly overall, causes more hospitalizations amongst all age groups, and is millions of times more likely to cause long term effects? Covid has left over 120k American kids orphaned by killing adults young enough to still have kids. Studies have shown that while covid is less deadly than the flu, for individual kids, the fact that it's far more contagious makes it more dangerous overall. The flu kills about 500 kids a year (pre covid). Covid has now killed over 1000k, in two, and most of those since Delta (1 year). And that was with all the covid measures. All the covid measures (masks and such) massively reduced the flu rate, because it's so weak, in comparison to covid.
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Dustin Caso You know Antifa are counter protesters, right? They show up at the alt-right rallies. If you agree the white nationalists, and their fringe supporters, are ignorant piles of shit, whose ultimate goal is to strip all non-whites of their rights and toss them out of the country ... a "philosophy" that's behind most hate crimes and domestic terrorism, behind shooting up synagogues, temples, mosques, black churches, Hispanics shopping, and driving into crowds of people ... what's your issue with Antifa, exactly? What's wrong with fighting that shit?
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@MedicineMan510 So, you think the way the US treated Cuba, and other countries in the Western hemisphere, was right?
Russia was the one who started interfering in almost every former USSR state, right from the get go. Not odd, for them to then look for help. They had already invaded, and taken part of the Ukraine, before. And had their own fascists take over those Eastern provinces. They started economic warfare against the Ukraine, just for them wanting to join the EU (not NATO). But, yeah, Ukraine bad, for wanting help.
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Nice strawman. Nobody is saying private insurance will be eradicated overnight. Also, nobody is saying private insurers can't still exist to cover extras, like chiropractors, massages, acupuncture, etc. They just won't be able to sell people what they can already get through M4A. The "public option" route isn't simply letting private insurers exist, or weeding them out slowly. The "public option" route makes paying into public healthcare optional, and has public insurance compete with private insurance, just hoping everyone will switch to public. It's not Medicare for all. It's Medicare for all who opt in. And, having everyone pay in with equal premiums, even if they are lower priced than private, is regressive compared to it being paid for with a progressive tax.
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@Bet Your lunch Ummm, infighting is exactly what Jimmy wanted. He started slandering everyone and anyone who didn't go for his "strategy" to get a performance art vote on M4A.
AOC never once ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. Jimmy lied and pretended she didn't do what she said. AOC did say she wanted to cause a "ruckus" means, based on whatever "ruckus" means to her. Jimmy made up what "ruckus" meant, to him, and again lied that she wasn't doing what she said, as if something is objectively a "ruckus", or not. An old lady, thinking your music is a bit too loud, can think you're causing a "ruckus", ffs. It's a fairly subjective term. AOC backed 20 pro-M4A progressives and helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress. That actually gets you closer to ever being able to pass the bill than a performance art vote does. On that, alone, she has done more for M4A, in 2 years, than Dore has in his entire lifetime, and more than any third party, that can't win a single seat in congress. Dore made a big deal about where was she on M4A march day, as if she was in hiding. Well, it was public knowledge that she was doing public rallies with Nina Turner, that day, promoting M4A at those rallies, and trying her best to help add yet another M4A advocate to congress. Dore, on the other hand, publicly abandoned Nina Turner, on his show, publicly abandoned trying to add another M4A advocate to congress.
Also, remember, that Dore promoted Trump (platform: toss 10m poor Americans off of Medicaid expansion) over Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion), he promoted Tulsi (platform: public option) over Bernie (platform: M4A), and ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's (still wanting to toss millions off of Medicaid expansion) only remaining viable opponent Biden (platform: public option and Medicare expansion). Then, he tries to pass himself off as the one true champion of healthcare. Rofl!
You have got the wrong fraud. Dore is a grifter. He doesn't care if anyone gets, or loses, healthcare. He says one thing, but then proposes the worst healthcare option.
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@zombiesoul-eater741 The only one doing citizenship, by DNA test, is Israel. If you have Jewish DNA, a couple generations back, then you can come, from anywhere in the world, help colonize more land, and have more rights than the native population.
I think it should all be turned into one Israel-Palestine. So weird how the West Bank, still being colonized and ethnically cleansed, and the Gaza ghetto, aren't as peacefully inclined. Ever read contemporary accounts of the Kitos War?
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@jasonsaenz8959 I just gave you an example of how the bill is banning overnight voting, which higher percentages of minorities took advantage of.
Also, strict ID laws are directly classist. Poorer people are less likely to already have a driver's license. It forces them to get an ID they are less likely to already have, just to vote. They can also least afford to be able to take a day off from their low wage jobs, to go get an ID. And, it's just a fact that a higher percentage of minorities are in poverty, making it indirectly racist. Of course, knowing full well, ahead of time, that what you're going to do will affect minorities more, makes it directly racist.
They've also already had to backtrack from Sunday voting times that targeted black voters, and a section that targeted immigrants who had at any point in the past declared they weren't a citizen. It's not like they aren't being blatant about it.
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@woobiefuntime They ditched "Hebrew". They ditched "Israelite". They kept the identity that their religion got attached to, after they wrote their fairy tale book, while in Babylonia. If Jews and Palestinians both have Canaanite DNA, that means the vast majority of natives, that never left, actually did change their identities, likely converting along the way.
And, outside Saudi Arabia, "Arab" is somewhat like "Hispanic". It doesn't mean you're actually from Arabia. Arabs didn't genocide every country they conquered and refill it with Arabians from a little desert country. If Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, then they were likely simply Arabized, as well as the converting.
Do you think that people in England no longer have any actual Briton in them? Just pure Anglo (even though the Anglos were conquered by the Normans)?
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Jimmy Dore thought a Trump presidency would be a spark, that would bring about a progressive wave that would, "for sure", take the house, senate, and presidency, by 2020. He was wrong.
The $15 minimum just got a vote, that could be used as a spark against those who voted no. Instead, ftv's primary mouthpiece is using it to still bitch about those who voted yes. He's a hypocrite, and an idiot, who benefits Republicans.
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@Kamfrenchie Prompting Trump as the better option in 2016, could only benefit Trump. Running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent in 2020, could only benefit Trump. Going on far right talk shows, just to agree with them, only validates and benefits the far right. Promoting making friends with far right ancap Boogaloos, only benefits the far right. Promoting the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, that would, at best, peel away enough progressive votes to hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems and let Republicans rule for decades, benefits the far right. Slandering progressives, that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, benefits the far right.
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@Evirthewarrior True, there are 2 axis, and Marxian socialism is libertarian left. The complete opposite of that would be an authoritarian right.
"Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism" ~ Mussolini
They cut taxes. They privatized numerous things (fascist governments were leaders in privatization). They teamed up with monarchists, industrialists, and large land owners. They sidelined independent unions and created government run unions, outlawing strikes ... the government took over labour, not the means of production, and stripped it of power. Employer syndicates, on the other hand, were given the freedom to control production, distribution, and expansion. Simply controlling the economy doesn't equate to socialism, if it's geared towards making rich people richer. That's crony capitalism.
"The corporative State considers private initiative, in the field of production, as the most efficient and useful instrument of the Nation."
People who portray fascists as socialists, should also be weary of wartime economies. The British government also took more control over its economy and production, during war. It had nothing to do with them attempting to become more socialist. It simply had to do with trying to keep their military armed and their people (not Indians) fed.
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@GeteMachine It has literally been Likud's platform, since it was formed, in the 70s, from earlier parties, but nobody bats an eye. "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has promised to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories, for decades. It even further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is also an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
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GPE MUZIK Rofl, he's a religious nut. His whole reality is based on blind belief in a fairy tale, not facts. Plus, idiots, like him and you, don't seem to understand that objectivity has zero opinions, judgements, biases for or against anything, etc. That's what makes it objective. Facts are objective. All his opinions, etc., are subjectivity based ... feelings.
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@JohnFreedman0 Yeah, tariffs on American made whiskey and maple syrup, really hurt. We totally don't have tariff free Canadian alternatives to those. 🙄
Weird. When Canada's housing prices didn't crash, like in the US, Conservatives touted that as their success, and did absolutely nothing as the prices started spiking. Suddenly, they say it's a bad thing, and the fault of immigration.
You also don't seem to know how immigration works, in Canada. It's a federal/provincial partnership.
2022: "Ministers from Ontario, Alberta, Saskatchewan, and Manitoba are calling on Sean Fraser, Canada's minister of immigration, refugees and citizenship, to allow their provinces to select more immigrants "with the skills they need most" in a letter sent Tuesday night."
Conservative premiers are the ones asking for them.
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@adaminfinity1733 Piss off.
"Of Americans surveyed from Sept. 13-22, 72% of adults 18 and older had been vaccinated, including 71% of white Americans, 70% of Black Americans, and 73% of Hispanics. Contrast these converging figures with disparities based on politics: 90% of Democrats had been vaccinated, compared with 68% of Independents and just 58% of Republicans.
A Gallup survey released on Sept. 29 confirmed the KFF findings. As of mid-September, 75% of adult Americans have been vaccinated, including 73% of non-Hispanic white adults and 78% of non-whites. Along party lines, however, the breakdown was 92% of Democrats, 68% of Independents, and 56% of Republicans."
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This is a midterm fight, and Dems will have a problem trying to hang on in those purple districts. Any ounce of leverage Hinkle believes AOC to have, entirely rests on Dems maintaining a majority. Without that, Republicans will just do whatever they want, without needing any corporate Dem or progressive votes. She already tried backing progressives in some of those districts, and they got creamed, but the more conservative Dem, who beat them, managed to also beat the Republican in the general. For the midterm, she should be backing new progressives in blue districts, that have an incumbent corporate Dem, where there's no worry in the general, and doing whatever to help everyone else hang on to their seats. You may not like that she broke some supposed promise, but it's smart.
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@mimked Yeah, I'm not reading all that, after such a rubbish start. Many countries didn't treat patients the way he wants. Tens of millions of doctors and nurses, worldwide, didn't treat patients the way he wants. The vast majority of doctors and nurses, worldwide, advocate being vaccinated. Trying to make out like what he's saying would only apply to the US, is bullshit.
Even if it did only apply to the US, that's still millions of doctors and nurses. Making out like they intentionally didn't treat people, so they would die, to boost demand for vaccines, is still psychotic.
He's a loon.
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@HWEspana It's pretty damn strange. Hunter travels across country with 3? broken laptops, drops them off to be fixed, the owner just happens to be a Trumpist, he's legally blind and can't visually identify who dropped it off, but apparently also took no contact information, or any other way, to contact or identify who dropped it off. Then, the legally blind guy goes through what, hundreds of emails, to stuff years ago, all on his own.
Pretty weird.
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In all its previous forms, it has always been Revisionist Zionsim's goal to colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories, and more. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@Sean-gg4ns Intent matters, dumb dumb, not level of violence or success. They intended to stop the democratic process to keep an unelected ruler in power. That's authoritarianism, like when the Loyalists wanted to keep King George in power.
Protesting, and sometimes rioting, against funding the police, police brutality, and a lack of representation, is anti-authoritarianism, and more like what the Patriots did, before they outright went to war.
You loons have reality backwards.
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David, he has also been lying from the start about who a VAT actually taxes. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT be a tax on businesses.
"The GST takes into account the cost of inputs – the factors used in manufacturing or production – at each stage of the process to avoid double taxation. Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption."
http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
"a consumption tax because it is borne ultimately by the final consumer. It is not a charge on businesses."
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en
Even Amazon knows. "How VAT works in Europe", "How to claim back VAT".
https://services.amazon.co.uk/services/vat-resources.html
That includes getting credited back input VAT on advertising, which he repeatedly lies about.
https://www.burtonbeavan.co.uk/reclaim-vat-google-adwords/
If he doesn't actually make Amazon pay into the UBI, and their share of US consumer spending is 2%, handing consumers $3t a year will only make Amazon an extra $60b a year. That would, in turn, make Bezos something like an extra $6b a year ... a ton more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT.
Yang's plan will make giant corporations and the super rich even richer, and increase inequality.
That ad has other subtle diahonesty, because he doesn't have his UBI stack with SSI disability or SNAP, which do currently stack together. A single non working caregiver with a disabled child could now be getting over $1000/month. Even if they opt out of the UBI, they can't opt out of paying a VAT on many things. Non staples, here in Canada: utilities, phone service, internet service, snacks and pop, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance, toys, games, basically any entertainment with a cost ... all kinds of things that would still affect their lives.
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@anti-corporatecapture3844 You seem to be using numbers based on two different ways of calculating them. That 0.89% hospitalization for the unvaccinated (and 0.01% hospitalization rate for the vaccinated, an 89x lower rate), seems to be the rate, based on total population, given in a Gallup article. The comparable death rate would be the crude mortality rate, which is 0.088%, in Canada, and 0.27% in the US. But, you morons want Canada to be more like the US, and have people die at a much higher rate, instead of the other way around.
Your 0.02% death rate seems to be the infection fatality rate for underdeveloped countries, where life expectancy is as low as 55. For developed countries it's about 1%. That would be 370k Canadians, or 3.3m Americans, you're willing to sacrifice. That 1% is 4x the fatality rate for motor vehicle accidents, and far more widespread. And yet we still have licensing mandates, light and sign mandates, speed limit mandates, seatbelt mandates, no drinking and driving mandates, vehicle safety standard mandates, line mandates, etc. Should we ditch all those, for freedumb, because motor vehicle accidents are far less common and less deadly, than covid? I mean, if the covid death rate isn't worth worrying about, then why should a lower death rate, right?
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@Understandingways After the Civil Rights Act of 1968 was passed by both Democrats and Republicans in the North, and opposed by both Democrats and Republicans in the South, the racist white Southern majority abandoned both parties, in the 1968 presidential election, instead voting for a third party racist, winning 5 states. Nixon then won over that racist white Southern majority to vote Republican, in 1972. Aside from giving Southern boy Jimmy Carter one shot, that racist majority has almost entirely been voting Republican ever since.
He was already protesting the conventions of both parties, before that happened. Pretty sure he would not be a modern Republican, after that happened, and didn't say anything to suggest he'd be opposed to gay rights. His wife and Bayard Rustin think he would have supported their rights.
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@investmotivation1014 Don't you know the definition of the word "grift"? Dore says he's for things like that, but the directions he proposes taking don't get you any closer to getting them, or even take you in the opposite direction.
How does sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, get you M4A in the next century? How does a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote get you any closer to getting M4A? When adding M4A yes votes to congress is the very thing that gets you closer to ever being able to pass it, how does slandering those like Justice Dems and AOC, who have added yes votes to congress, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? When you publicly abandon Nina Turner ... abandon adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... and promote never voting for someone running as a Dem ever again, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? How is literally peddling someone against the M4A candidate, not mean you're outright fighting against M4A? How is trashing government negotiated vaccine prices, for vaccines that are then given out for free (a tiny slice of what M4A would be), not mean you're fighting against M4A? How is misrepresenting and attacking the completely socialized UK healthcare system, not mean you're fighting against socialized healthcare? How is peddling more expensive, privately paid for, alternatives, not promoting the opposite of M4A? How is peddling Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion), as the better option, not going outright backwards?
What has Jimmy proposed doing, since 2016, that actually gets you closer to getting M4A?
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@gameofender4463 Right, they're different, and the hearing was about what was happening on campuses, not some hypothetical. Like Hannity, the question asker was conflating a slogan, that doesn't actually call for genocide, with genocide ... conflating a slogan that is against a nation and its decades of colonialism, ethnic cleansing, and occupation, with a religious group. She knew what they were doing. She should have called them out, for the dishonest phrasing.
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@seanmccartney5177 How so? It has been Likud's goal for 100 years, in all its previous forms. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@t-swizzle8102 How does sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, and letting corporate Dems and Republicans rule for decades to come, help poor and working class Americans, exactly?
And sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, is based on what ... some fantasy, that a third party will only produce perfectly perfect puritan progressives, rather than another Kyrsten Sinema, like the Green party produced?
When adding M4A yes votes to congress is the most important thing to do, because the only possible way to ever pass the bill is to get enough yes votes in congress, how does abandoning Nina Turner ... abandoning adding another M4A yes vote to congress ... help poor and working class Americans?
How does promoting Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion), help poor and working class Americans?
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"just"
No, it's not "just", because the original and still more popular athe-ist definition says atheists believe gods do not exist, and the newer and less popular a-theist definition includes those people, as well as agnostics.
He's using "Agnostic" just fine, as can be found in most philosophy books. Even in the Oxford Handbook of Atheism, which uses an a-theist definition, calls agnosticism a form of negative a-theism, and considers it a perfectly valid label, to describe your specific position.
Theists still count as people who use words, and they don't tend to use the a-theist definition. Even more non-theists choose "nothing" or "agnostic" than choose "atheist". You're a minority within a minority of all people who use words, trying to dictate word usage to everyone else.
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NekoMouser //I identify as an agnostic atheist because I understand how words work and believe in accurate labels to facilitate better//
Well, you obviously don't understand how something works, because "agnostic a-theist" doesn't describe a specific position. Someone could be an agnostic weak/negative/soft a-theist, who has no belief, either way, and no knowledge claim. Or, someone could be an agnostic strong/positive/hard a-theist, who believes gods don't exist, but doesn't claim to know. Those 4 position models are nonsense.
Or, you could just call one position "agnostic" and one "athe-ist", if you're not a fan of an illogical convoluted mess.
//Atheism ONLY means you lack a belief is god or gods.//
You know what's more pathetic than theists who don't know much about the long history of their chosen religion? A-theists who don't know the history and usage of a couple words.
First came atheos + ist = someone who believes no gods exist.
Then came theos + ist = someone who believes gods exist.
Then came agnostos + ic = someone who is without knowledge (as in completely uncertain, due to lack of evidence, and not compatible with beliefs, either way).
"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." ~ Thomas Huxley, 1884
Then came a + theist = not a theist (a rock is not a theist).
"In this interpretation an atheist becomes: not someone who positively asserts the non-existence of God; but someone who is simply not a theist. Let us, for future ready reference, introduce the labels ‘positive atheist’ for the former and ‘negative atheist’ for the latter.
The introduction of this new interpretation of the word ‘atheism’ may appear to be a piece of perverse Humpty-Dumptyism, going arbitrarily against established common usage. ‘Whyever’, it could be asked, ‘don’t you make it not the presumption of atheism but the presumption of agnosticism?’" ~ Antony Flew, 1984
This a-theist usage is the newer one. It is still not the most popular one, not even amongst non-theists, most of whom choose "nothing" or "agnostic" on surveys.
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@kendrasspongeasmr210 "nobody knows"
Pretty much everyone identifying as a-theist doesn't know what Huxley actually said, nor do they know the history of the words ... that's who doesn't know much. Name a single other ist/ism that attaches the prefix last. The words were athe-ist and athe-ism, for hundreds of years. The belief gods don't exist and those who believe that. Huxley clearly described agnosticism as having to do with belief, and not having a belief either way.
Yeah, you either believe you left the door unlocked, or you don't, but you also either believe you left it locked, or you don't, and you could be totally uncertain, not having either belief. You folks like to pretend there's no such thing as real athe-ists (hard atheists, strong atheists, positive atheists). Weak/soft/negative a-theism = Huxley agnosticism. Strong/hard/positive a-theism = athe-ism. It makes no real sense to call two totally different positions of belief/non-belief the same thing. Yes, the position of no belief either way shares no belief gods exist with the real athe-ist, but it also shares no belief gods don't exist with the theist. It had a no balief commonality with both positions but shares neither of their beliefs.
Huxley named the position of no belief, when it didn't have a name. Christians, at the time, erroneously considered not believing x to equate to believing not x, and labelled all non-believers "atheist". Doesn't change how they defined the word though. They defined it as believing gods don't exist. By that definition, they were wrong to label all non-believers "atheist". That's the error Huxley pointed out and then provided a label for simply not believing, either way. 20th century idjits, like Smith and Flew promoted the a-theist redefinition and hijacked that position into a-theism. Every inanimate object in the universe is not a theist. It's a stupid redefinition that then requires qualifiers to clarify and tell two positions apart and doesn't necessarily even describe people. Personhood is in the "ist", and an a-theist is not an ist. A rock is a-theist.
If we temporarily need to group two positions together, I prefer the non- prefix. Athe-ists and agnostics are non-theists. Theists and agnostics are non-atheists. Theists and athe-ists are non-agnoatics.
For any claim, it is objectively true, x, or not true, ~x. Subjectively, you can believe x, believe ~x, or form no belief either way.
A: belief x, no belief ~x
B: no belief x, no belief ~x
C: no belief x, belief ~x
Yes, both B and C are not As, but A and B are also not C's, and A and C are not Bs. Three distinct positions of belief regarding x. Why redefine a label, making B and C the same thing?
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Sorry, but the Bible is about a sexless being, that uses masculine gender pronouns, who transitions into a human male. It also has tales of hetero sex, non hetero sex, adultery, incest, rape, etc. Plus, it has a "theory" on how the different races/cultures came into being, and justifies ex slaves going on a genocidal rampage, to create their own nation. Definitely needs to be pulled from all schools.
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@garyhamlin3299 Yeah, give me an example of a country that followed covid measures pretty good, and things still got as out of hand as the US. WHO advises at minimum testing should be in the range of 10-30 people per confirmed case. The UK, France, US, Spain, and Italy, were testing under 10 people for months of 2020, as things got out of hand. Canada, Germany, Norway, Denmark, Finland, got within that range fairly quickly. Australia, New Zealand, S Korea, Vietnam, got to testing over 50 people fairly quickly.
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@mellow_badger8585 Rofl. Tucker had pro Assange segments going back a year before Dore was on, you dimwitted Dore knob. He didn't move Tucker's position on anything.
Dore went on, agreed with Tucker that it was problematic that Dumpty had been banned from social media, and using the bullshit first amendment argument. There's no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property. A leftist should be pointing that out, and pointing out the way to get free speech rights is through public ownership. Someone whose not sucking on Tucker's far right white nationalist balls, might also point out that things like inciting insurrections and defamation aren't protected speech anyway. He played right along with the right wing framing of "cancel culture", not pointing out that conservative religious folks have been cancelling things and people for millennia, still do, and often even use the government to do it, not just public pressure.
Then, and this was right as the second impeachment was beginning, Jimmy threw Tucker and his audience the off topic bone that he too considered the first impeachment to be a sham. Then, he finally got to Assange, who Tucker didn't show any indication of disagreeing with Jimmy on. Right wingers love WikiLeaks. Assange isn't a right/left issue, in the least.
The issue isn't common ground, dingleberry. The issue is priorities. Right wing morons care more about bullshit, like CRT that isn't even taught in K-12, than they do about getting themselves healthcare. If they prioritized healthcare, they wouldn't be right wingers. An "extreme free market" Boogaloo psycho, that wants to start a civil war, isn't going to vote for the same people you are, just because you both agree an a handful of anti-authoritarian issues. They'll be shooting you, if you try and implement M4A, after you help them bring down the government.
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Derek Hitt Nope. I don't support morons in Florida deciding to have little to no building inspections. I don't support morons in Texas deciding to let people freeze. I don't support morons in Michigan deciding to deliver poisoned water. Etc. That would be you, and your fantasy that state and local government is always superior.
No. Having no environmental regulations made it easier to pollute. We already did that.
You don't own the air breezing across your property and into your lungs, you don't own the ozone layer, you don't own the forests being wiped out, you don't own the oceans but can be greatly affected by them, etc. And, if there's no actual legislation saying pollution is damage, then how do property rights help you? You get to sue them once you're already sick and dying, and can prove damages, rather than preemptively suing them for breaking an environmental regulation? Woohoo! Sounds awesome!
You want people to make their own decisions about whether their kids should work in factories? You want individual business owners making their own decisions about worker health and safety standards, like the good ol'days, when they took care of their workers ever so well? We've been through your Libertarian bullshit before. Most people thought it sucked.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by multiple measures ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Which was Einstein? He considered Likud's founders on par with Nazis. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Umm, yes, that was factually how many Palestinians were to be moved in the initial plan. You leave out the part where Zionists needed to be in the majority, to have their Jewish state. Letting a minority of Palestinians stay is zero evidence that Palestinians weren't ethnically cleansed. It is well documented that, in 1945, the Jewish population was a majority nowhere, and only owned about 5% of the land.
"Arab" is like "Hispanic". They aren't all literally from a tiny desert country. The region was Arabized. Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. They're native to the region. They aren't native to the lands in Iraq, Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Saudi, etc. That argument is like saying it's okay to ethnically cleanse one of the early Native American tribes, from a specific region, because there were still plenty of other regions controlled Native American tribes.
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Derek Hitt Where are you getting this nonsense from? Capitalism allowed for human beings to be traded like cattle. As I stated, with almost no government involvement, it allowed for people to resolve their differences privately, however they felt. Before labor laws, it allowed for the private property owners to hire strike busters to beat up striking workers, pay workers next to nothing, work them endlessly, work children, etc. Nothing about capitalism says you can't own a tone of property, even a country, just like a landlord, and make whatever rules you want for people living on the property you claim to own.
For you to argue that ancap environments aren't capitalism, is nonsensical. To argue a 100% privately owned and operated country isn't capitalism, is nonsensical. Your "pure" capitalism, does require government involvement, but then you acknowledge it might not be perfect, and that the government might say rule in favor of corporations or rich backers. If they do that, then that's crony capitalism, but you've argued that also isn't capitalism. So, your very narrow position for capitalism is some perfectly working, incorruptible, form of Libertarianism. That's nuts.
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Right wingers have made laws against BDS; they've made laws against CRT (which isn't even taught in public schools); there is a government agency still protecting delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples; they are fine with a president (head of government) firing, or threatening to fire, those who contradict him; they are fine with state legislators threatening local governments; they are fine with making protesting harder and more dangerous; ... that's all kinds of government power they use to control people's speech. Conservative religious types have been using government power, to cancel people, businesses, and things, they don't like, for millennia.
On top of all that use of government power, they also call for people to be fired, and call for businesses to be boycotted out of business. That "cancel culture" is something new, or primarily left wing, is complete and utter bullshit.
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His stance isn't "objective". If there are 1200+ Palestinian hostages, being held indefinitely by Israel, without charges, prior to Oct 7 ... if there are 200+ Palestinians killed, this year alone, by the IDF and settlers, prior to Oct 7 ... if there are never ending settlements, colonizing the West Bank, prior to Oct 7 ... if Israel is operating an ongoing open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza, prior to Oct 7 ... then, in what reality, did Hamas "start" the aggression? In what reality is Israel "defending" itself, if they're the aggressor?
Also, legal objectivity ... Israel is considered to be occupying the Palestinian territories, according to the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. International law actually gives those being occupied the right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it does not give the occupier the right to use collective punishment. It is objectively against international law, to use collective punishment. It is also against international law to colonize occupied territories. Israel is, objectively, a rogue occupier nation, that constantly violates international law, and faces no consequences, in large part due to US vetoes.
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@bloui1033 You literally said "(which it IS unfair)", to someone else.
As long as she's qualified, what difference does it make? It would be nice, if the law were more objective, but isn't it a reality that scotus picks are already chosen based on political discrimination, irregardless if they're the most qualified candidate amongst every legal expert in the country? The fact that political points of view on certain topics is considered in the process of picking a scotus nominee, is evidence law isn't purely objective. Subjective opinions, subjective political or religious beliefs, matter, which would mean different life experiences, and different race and gender points of view, are also important. In that sense, yes, women are more qualified to give an opinion on women's issues. Your "analogies" aren't very analogous. People's subjective beliefs also factor into creating laws, would be a more analogous example. So, yes, you'd also want a more diverse group of people creating laws, as well.
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@EclecticoIconoclasta Well, considering how the US system works, a progressives caucus, working within the democratic party, is a more effective "third party". All they need is about 15 more seats to become the majority of the party, and be able to pick the party speaker candidate. If the party is the majority of the house, that speaker could pick committee seats, introduce whatever bills they want, sideline whatever bills they want, etc. If the progressive caucus was an actual third party, Trump would be president due to vote splitting in the general, Pence would be the senate tiebreaker, and Republicans would have a plurality in the house. Republicans would only have to work with a handful of conservative Dems to pass whatever they wanted, and could completely ignore the progressive party.
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@gnubbiersh647 Harris argued it was already a given that, if you set a subjective goal, science can help you achieve that goal. Meaning, if you subjectively define "well being", and subjectively set that as your goal, then science can help you reach that goal. Or, for example, if you set reaching the moon as your subjective goal, then science can help you achieve that goal, and everything you do then objectively gets you closer to achieving that goal, or it doesn't. What people didn't believe was that science could itself set the goal, so that the goal was objective. By saying he wanted to prove that wrong, Sam had to show that the goal, "well being", is itself objective, to give us something beyond what he already acknowledged was a given.
He argued all concepts of morality are about "well being". If that is actually the case, that would mean they all have different concepts of "well being" (a Christian's, for example, would be measured not by how healthy and happy you are, but instead measured by how closely you are following God's will, so your soul can have ultimate happiness in the afterlife). Sam set aside their beliefs in an afterlife, or any other concepts, and began arguing as if there was only one concept of "well being" ... his ... and that it is only measured by his standards. He had basically defeated himself, at this point, and is exactly at what he said was a given, at the outset.
He also tried to support his concept, by arguing morality is only about sentient creatures, and that we don't value the "well being" of rocks. Problem there is ... we do. If we deem that a structure or sculpture, made of rocks, has historical value, we consider it immoral to harm or destroy it. Same with any rocks deemed to have artistic value. We also deem some environments to have value, including any rocks within, and provide them protection. We also deem many shiny rocks to have value, and some people will kill each other over them, considering that value to be worth more than another human being's life. He also made out like that also applies to lesser life forms, and yet some people's concept of morality includes all life forms. He didn't provide any real "objective" demarcation line. Are cows, pigs, and chickens, below the line? Most people's concepts of morality okay slaughtering them. Plenty of people think the world would be better off without humans. Plenty value certain animals over other human beings. Hedonists value simply fulfilling your desires. All these concepts of morals and values aren't samesies. Even ignoring that many concepts of "well being" include an afterlife, the various moral concepts aren't all using the exact same concept of "well being", that Sam puts forward, for this life.
He goes completely deranged, and argues that an objective fact can change. He gives as an example, the distance of the Earth to the Sun. The problem there is that he's leaving out that any measurement to the Sun would be made at an exact moment in time. It will forever be true that, at that exact moment in time, we were exactly that distance from the Sun. If something is truly an objective fact, it will always be true.
To support his "moral landscape" argument, he provides chess, as an "analogy". He claims it is a game of "perfect objectivity", where a move is objectively better or worse. No. Someone subjectively decided to create a game, subjectively decided on the board, the pieces, how those pieces would move, and how to win (back to what he said was already a given at the start). People have also subjectively come up with alternate rules. People have subjectively come up with alternate boards (3D Star Trek chess). Chess, and any game with rules, is more akin to laws, than morality. Once you've subjectively decided something is a rule/law, then you are objectively following the rule/law, or you aren't. Sometimes we decide laws are themselves immoral, and change them. Even when you're within the game, with the rules in place, nothing says it's wrong to maybe let your kid beat you once in a while. If that's your subjective goal, then what is "objectively" a better or worse move could become completely flipped, and there'd be nothing wrong with that, even though it would appear to be an "objectively" horrible move, by Sam's singular (and subjective) way to measure things.
He also tries using healthy vs unhealthy, as an analogy to moral vs immoral. The problem there is that healthy/unhealthy don't include oughts. Eating a Big Mac might be unhealthy, but there's nothing really saying it's wrong to do something unhealthy (unless maybe it forces something unhealthy on others, against their will). Technically, skydiving increases your odds of dying, or being injured. So? People do it for kicks. Being healthy, or unhealthy, depends totally on your own subjectivity. If you subjectively want to be healthy, only then you ought not do X. If you subjectively don't care about being healthy, then you ought to do X, if you want. This is nothing like morality. We don't say go ahead and randomly kill someone, if you want. We'll call it "immoral", but that no longer means it's behavior/actions you ought not do.
Sam paraded around like a peacock, making out like he was a genius, making out like Hume wasn't all that, and that he was the one to have finally filled, or dodged, the is/ought gap .... Nope. He is a complete and utter moron, who never got beyond what he said was a given, from the outset, and was just too stupid to see it. He had filled the gap with subjectivity, just like everyone before him.
He also showed his limited grasp on objectivity vs subjectivity, when fear mongering about AI. He didn't take the angle that people would be able to greatly misuse it (as is possible). No, he took the Terminator angle, that it would rise up against us! Except, it doesn't matter how "intelligent" a computer is, there's zero indication that one can set its own subjective goals. That's because they care about nothing. Any goals one has, has been programmed in. An AI would be following at least one human's goals. A super intelligent computer, knowing a lot of facts (objectivity), would still make none of its own decisions (subjectivity), because it just doesn't care about outcomes. Humans have to program in all the decision making. They might give it a little room to learn the most efficient route, between point A and point B, for example, but once it learns the most efficient route, that's the one it will stick with. It will never, in a billion years, decide to take the scenic route, all on its own, because it just doesn't care. It feels nothing, good or bad, when "seeing" things. Sam has been taking sci-fi way too seriously.
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How do you arrive at both sides of colonialism being wrong? Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@nostrum6410 Conservative types have been cancelling things for centuries ... other religions, other denominations, women's ankles, women's knees, women's thighs, women wearing pants, women in the workplace, women's votes, foul language, gays, trans, PDA, sex, tons of books they didn't like, music they didn't like, unionists, socialists, blacks, black votes, etc. It's insanely hypocritical, when they complain about "cancel culture".
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Derek Hitt Trump is a far right wing authoritarian, fascist. Ron Paul is a far right wing Libertarian. Their level of authoritarianism doesn't make them any more, or less, left or right. It just makes them more, or less, authoritarian. US "centrists" are right wing, but not as far right as either of those two, a bit less authoritarian than Trump. US progressive "leftists", are center-right to center, out in the real world, and tend to be less authoritarian than the "centrists", probably agreeing more with Ron Paul on many policies dealing with authoritarianism.
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@gary_stavropoulos That wouldn't be "fair". How about, if you ship a million phones from China, and a million people buy them, since you're benefiting a million times more from protected shipping lanes, you pay a million times more for that protection? How about, if you transport a million units of goods along the roads, to a million customers, since you're benefiting a million times more from the roads, then you pay a million times more to maintain them? Etc. Etc. Etc. Unless, of course, you're fond of the massive corporate welfare going on.
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@SacClass650 The problem with your comparison is that "socialism" (publicly owned and operated) is a broad category, opposing the broad category "capitalism" (privately owned and operated), that comes in non-authoritarian (anarcho, direct democracy), representative democracy, and authoritarian, flavours. Meanwhile, "fascism" is a narrow category. It is authoritarian capitalism. So, no, fascism doesn't have much in common, with about 2/3rds of the socialism spectrum, and is the complete opposite of the anarcho variety. Authoritarians having similarities is no revelation.
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27% of Republicans don't want Dumpty to concede, even if his sham court challenges fail. They're ready to give up on democratic elections, and check the box for fascism. Don't make the mistake of thinking "fascist" means they have to be a Hitler, Franco, or Mussolini. There have been numerous fascist tin pot dictators in South and Central America, and other places around the world. Not all of them have been especially competent or particularly intelligent. A number of them only gained, or maintained, power with US assistance. Not all of them were tossing people in ovens. Simply saying "fascist" isn't an automatic jump to some evil genocidal mastermind. Clown, or not, you've got someone who seems willing to take on the role of dictator, who has dozens of politicians, and millions of Americans, willing to support him in that role.
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@mfflscotty2095 Holy hell. How do they make their billions? By people buying stuff, right? That's people handing them their money, and having less money, and the billionaires gaining more money, right? And, if those billionaires don't pay their workers an even share of that, then the money is mostly going one direction, right? Again, you seem to be implying that you can hand your money to them, and more will just magically appear, from somewhere.
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The only "claim" that Zionism had to this specific land, was based on a fairy tale book. After living relatively peacefully in Muslim countries for 1300 years ... being given refuge when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile ... the Ottoman Empire even okaying the earliest form of Zionsim, which was more like immigration ... Zionist religious extremism, the switch to colonialism, changed everything. Jewish extremists believe in the OT/Tanakh, which is the worst book in the trilogy, by many miles.
India represents almost the entirety of the Hindu world. It ranks lower than Saudi, for the treatment of women. And, now there are Hindutva fascists, running the country, persecuting Sikhs, Muslims, and Christians.
Christian nuts, in Africa, actually campaigned against wearing protection, even telling people that condoms cause AIDS, as tens of millions of people died. Plus, there are plenty of other Christian extremists around. Europe and North America no longer represents the majority of the Christian world. The majority is represented by Central/South America, Africa, and Asia. The US likes to say "Mexican cartel", but there are some you could also describe as a "Christian cartel", that worship a saint of death, and chop off more body parts than ISIS did. Christian Brazil is also the deadliest place on the planet, to be gay. They also challenge Buddhist Thailand for the child sex tourism capital of the world.
Psycho Buddhist monks have also been doing very bad things.
Most suck pretty bad, if you actually take a hard look, and don't just focus on the one you've already predetermined is the worst.
Ancestral spirit worship doesn't seem too fanatic.
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@darrenallen8215 Lol, there are about as many vehicles owned, as guns. They have an alternate purpose, to travel from point A to point B. They are used an average of 2 hrs a day. The vast majority of the time, they simply do get safely from point A to point B. Do you think there is no point, to all the vehicle regulations (licensing, registration, insurance, speed limits, seatbelts, no driving zones, certain vehicles not allowed on the road, safety standards, etc.), because criminals will just ignore them anyway?
Guns have no alternative use, other than to shoot things. Relative to vehicles, guns are rarely used, but they still kill as many people. They are clearly the far more dangerous item, and yet they're far less regulated. Why is it, do you think, that states with less regulations tend to have higher firearm mortality, and homicide, rates? Why is it that other developed countries, with tougher gun laws, tend to have lower firearm mortality, and homicide, rates (and, in turn, cops that shoot citizens 3 to 100s of times lower rates, per capita)?
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@Whoyouwishyouwere A few cents? The big oil companies make most of their money on the oil side, ffs. They've jacked the price of a barrel by $20, since 2019. The US, and Canada for that matter, are both net oil exporters. Neither has to meet the global market price, if they don't want to, to supply inside the two countries. Whatever the f*ck Russia or Saudi is doing, doesn't affect supply, so shouldn't affect in country prices, but they act like it does anyway, and blame what's going on elsewhere in the world, for the price increase, as if it just magically makes their prices go up, and wasn't them intentionally raising their prices. They didn't need the extra $20 a barrel. They just did it ... to increase profits.
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I have been watching, and after the Oct 7 attack, you threw anyone offering context usnder the bus with those outright cheering the attack. You said you didn't want to hear any explanations, then proceeded to give an explanation as to why and what Israel would do. You spent a show saying the bombing of the first refugee camp was bad, not the following refugee camp bombings, but basically ignored all the other bombing, as if that was perfectly normal. That first show, after the attack, you also did the standard bit about Israel being "progressive", and stuff, and Muslims not so much. Fascists, operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, aren't progressive. Colonizers aren't progressive. A country, where the actual majority was ethnically cleansed from, and never allowed to return, is no more democratic than Hitler having an election after purging his political opponents. You've been acting like an "enlightened centrist", both sides-ing, when Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@libertybell5796 Sam Adams signed, even after fighting had broken out ...
"For such arrangements as your Majesty's wisdom can form for collecting the united sense of your American people, we are convinced your Majesty would receive such satisfactory proofs of the disposition of the Colonists towards their Sovereign and Parent State, that the wished for opportunity would soon be restored to them, of evincing the sincerity of their professions, by every testimony of devotion becoming the most dutiful subjects, and the most affectionate Colonists.
That your Majesty may enjoy a long and prosperous reign, and that your descendants may govern your Dominions with honour to themselves and happiness to their subjects, is our sincere prayer.
John Hancock.
New-Hampshire: John Langdon, Thomas Cushing.
Massachusetts: Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine.
Rhode-Island: Stephen Hopkins, Samuel Ward, Eliphalet Dyer.
Connecticut: Roger Sherman, Silas Deane.
New-York: Philip Livingston, James Duane, John Alsop, Francis Lewis, John Jay, Robert Livingston, Jr., Lewis Morris, William Floyd, Henry Wisner.
New-Jersey: William Livingston, John De Hart, Richard Smith.
Pennsylvania: John Dickinson, Benjamin Franklin, George Ross, James Wilson, Charles Humphreys, Edward Biddle.
Delaware Counties: Cæsar Rodney, Thomas McKean, George Read.
Maryland, Matthew Tilghman, Thomas Johnson, Jr., William Paca, Samuel Chase, Thomas Stone.
Virginia: Patrick Henry, Jr., Richard Henry Lee, Edmund Pendleton, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Jefferson.
North-Carolina: William Hooper, Joseph Hewes.
South-Carolina: Henry Middleton, Thomas Lynch, Christopher Gadsden, John Rutledge, Edward Rutledge."
https://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Olive_Branch_Petition_1775
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@paulsmith7579 Again, he said hospitalization rates, not "covid rates", dumb dumb. He didn't question the covid rate, which means that doesn't change the death rate. If the hospitalization rate, alone, is overstated, then the death rate would be higher compared to the hospitalization rate, not lower, and make Jimmy's argument even more incorrect.
Btw, nothing you can say will ever change the fact that Dore used mismatched rates, couldn't properly use Google, and couldn't do grade school level math.
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It's the Republican party. They've given a home to all kinds of extremists, for decades, in their effort to cling to power ... extreme anti-socialist McCarthy types, anti-Civil Rights racists, crony capitalist Reaganomics, religious extremists, extreme gun rights nuts and the NRA, tea party nutters, Trump cultists, insane Qanoners ...
It has become a party of lunatics. They've pushed the party far right authoritarian, and the "centrist" Dems have kept moving to meet them in the "middle", which is now right wing, and towards corporate backers rather than the old union/worker backed party, themselves.
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@lotsofuwuenergy3983 If we didn't exist to call a tree "tree" and some other species developed to speak and called it a "crumpich", it would still be the same thing. Some other species developing some other word to represent that same amount won't change the fact that the amount of what we call planets would be exactly the same. When we group them in 3s, we also get 3 groups of 3. It's still the same amount of what we call planets, and the basis for 3 x 3 = 9. If some rogue giant asteroid came along and took out Pluto, and we were no longer around to count, it would still equate to what we call 9 - 1 = 8. The amount of planets remaining would be what we've named "eight" and given the symbol "8". Any other naming or grouping won't change the fact that there's be the exact same amount of what we currently consider planets.
A species being too primitive to know that water contains 2 hydrogen atoms, 1 oxygen atom, and 3 atoms in total, won't change the facts of those existing amounts. We simply came along and provided objectively existing amounts names and symbols. Before anyone ever came up with counting, they still had the same amount of fingers on one hand, the same amount on the other, and the same amount in total. Amounts exist. If amounts don't exist, then time doesn't exist. If amounts don't exist, then there's no amount of planets in solar systems, no amount of solar systems in galaxies, no amount of galaxies in the universe. That's nonsensical.
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AOC had donated to a number of progressives in conservative districts, in the last election. A bunch got creamed in the primaries, but a more conservative Dem did manage to win the district. The midterms are a totally different animal, and there will be a helluva fight to just try and hang on to their majority. Purple districts will be the hardest ones to try and hang on to. Dore knobs just don't care if Republicans get the majority, and don't care if progressives have even less power being in a minority party. Hell, they don't even care if progressives sit on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, for the next century.
I've yet to run across a Dore knob that actually knows what was in the final version of the Capitol police bill, and what AOC's final vote was. All the first house vote actually did was send it to the senate, to have the shit amended out of it, just to be sent back to the house. AOC voted against it, when it came back. Her vote was irrelevant, because it had been amended enough to Republicans' liking to bring them onboard.
The $15 did get a vote. It even passed the house, and got a senate vote. There's an ever so precious list of no voters. Weren't Dore knobs making out like they were going to do big things, with a list of no voters on an important policy? How come all they've done with this one is bitch about those who got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting and voted for it?
The FTV "plan", out of Jimmy's mouth, before anyone else amended it, was for 15 progressives to simply "withhold their votes" or "not vote" for Pelosi. It's wording he used repeatedly. That wording implied abstaining, which would have given the speakership to McCarthy. Jimmy incorrectly thought it was impossible for McCarthy to win, because he thought you outright needed 218 votes to win.
Drone strikes have dropped to almost nothing. Shouldn't Dore knobs be praising Biden, for that? They are such all or nothing puritan dimwits.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@KingoftheJuice18 "Non authoritarian", "authoritarian", "capitalism", and "socialism" cover a lot of things. They're just overview words. Fascists: ultra-nationalistic, anti-communist, anti-socialist, anti-unionist, anti-feminist (promoted traditional home life), anti-democratic, pro-military expansion, pro-police expansion, backed by big business (crony capitalists), backed by religious extremists ... pretty much everything Cruz is.
I think the US needs a major wake up call. It's Overton window goes from far right to centrism ("radical left", "communism", "far left", etc.). And, it's authoritarianism, compared to other developed countries, is insane. Those nutters should be called what they are, and be held accountable for what they just incited.
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@SimonTBam Trump and most Republicans are not completely unfettered capitalists. They want the state to fund their massive military and policing. They back fed controls on the economy. They back "socialism" for the rich, sharing their losses with the nation, but not their gains. They're crony capitalists, wanting to benefit those who already have a ton of money, most, including their giant corporate donors. Libertarians are the ones who want unfettered capitalism, with a minimalist government, military, and justice system, no fed. Ancappers want unfettered capitalism with no government. Only a few Republicans consistently act more like Libertarians, the rest spew words, but then consistently vote to increase government power (Patriot Act, ICE, military, police, endless wars, their own pork items, etc).
Hitler was backed by leading industrialists, who were definitely out to make a profit. He handed them confiscated wealth and businesses from Jews, he handed them conquered businesses and resources, he handed them slave labor, he destroyed unions and outlawed striking (workers' power), etc. They made a killing, before he started losing on them. Some huge German corporations, that are still around today, came out of WWII pretty well off.
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@KingoftheJuice18 You were literally spouting strawman nonsense that I never said, and repeatedly trying to broaden category beyond what I said to a point where you could then imply I'm labelling too many people, when it was you who did it. I assumed you weren't dishonest, and simply misread and misunderstood. If you prefer me saying you're dishonest, then so be it. A guy named Mussolini conveniently wrote the doctrine of fascism, as well as an Italian encyclopedia entry on what is fascism, describing what he meant by "fascism". Plus some extra characteristics from common historical actions (Me not limiting characteristics strictly to what Mussolini wrote actually lessens who would be a fascist. I can broaden the category to only what he wrote, if you want.). If you don't allow that it can be identified by certain characteristics, then you don't allow that it exists.
Republicans have checked off almost all those boxes, for decades. They took in the extreme anti-socialist McCarthy types, they took in the southern racists, they took in the religious extremists, they took in the Koch backed Tea Party nutters, and now Trump cultists and Qanoners. They've been fed so much propaganda that FOX viewers are less informed than people who watch no news at all. Even gerrymandering, disenfranchising, and suppression, already made them somewhat anti-democratic. Now, 28% of Republicans outright don't want Trump to concede under any circumstances, over a hundred Republican lawmakers wanted to overthrow an audited and certified election, that all election officials were saying was secure, and you're just not quite sure, yet.
What would it take?
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For one, anecdotal evidence isn't evidence. Canada has less crime than the US. Almost as diverse. In fact, lots of countries have less crime than the US, including many non-white, non-asian majority countries. A number of non-white, non-asian countries have a lower crime rate than Poland. Saudi has a lower crime rate than Poland. Monaco has a lower crime rate than Poland. Kuwait has a lower crime rate than Poland. Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Malta, ... Plenty of white and Asian majority countries have higher crime rates than Poland. What's wrong with them? If it's "science", then it should be consistent. "Scientifically", aren't SA and Caribbean Latinos and Hispanics largely white descendants of Spaniards and the Portuguese? What the fuck is going on down South?
Walking around Poland and declaring it wonderful isn't any kind of science that needs refuting. It's just personal opinion.
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@Friskojack_ She definitely is a drag, and a bitch. On the bright side, she has said this is her last ride as speaker, so it will be up for grabs in 2 years. At the same time, if progressives can have a good showing in 2022, the progressive caucus could become the majority of house Dems. I know they aren't all as progressive as everyone might like, but they are more progressive than the rest of the party, and they include M4A on their platform. If they can win the majority of house Dems, and keep the majority of the house, they could then pick the party speaker and put as many progressive bills up for votes as often as they like. Now is bad timing to give up on progressives and go third party, or something. The most popular third party, Libertarian, hasn't even won a single seat in going on 50 years. Just by winning a seat, AOC has accomplished more in congress than any third party in the last 50 years. When they get the majority, if they then don't put progressive bills up for votes, that would be evidence they aren't really progressive. Simply not freezing the house, a tactic that hasn't been used in almost 100 years, isn't really evidence of anyone not being a true progressive.
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@bluesrockfan36 You're a moron, because I've already included links, verifying I know exactly how a VAT works, verifying you're spouting pure bullshit by claiming it's a tax on businesses. You obviously didn't bother to inform yourself, are clearly pretending you know how a VAT works, but are actually clueless. You're like a Trump cultist, with your alternative "facts" and math.
Fact: Yang acknowledges there are people currently getting $1000+ in assistance that he doesn't have stacking, and that they'll have to choose.
Math: If you gain zero economic benefit from the UBI, but now have to pay 10% more for many things, you're worse off.
Fact: Amazon's share of US consumer spending is 2+% and Bezos' share of Amazon is 10+%.
Math: If you hand consumers $3t, and don't have Amazon pay in, they will make $60b. That would make Bezos $6b. That large shareholder would make a ton more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT.
Averages don't address that people who are getting full benefits might be getting them because they need the most help, and those are the people you're willing to make worse off, while you make giant corporations and the super rich even richer.
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@GlassesAndCoffeeMugs The conversation hasn't ended. The DSA (you know, the socialist organization AOC is an actual member of, not just democratic socialist in name, and not simply endorsed by them) has been having M4A rallies. Jimmy could be reporting about those, encouraging people to get out to those, instead of attacking those who are his best shot in the House of being fakes and shills.
Jimmy could be letting everyone and anyone know about the latest CBO report, instead of arguing over a pointless vote. People are just arguing about a vote, and best procedures, not actually discussing the benefits of M4A, convincing others of the benefits, etc.
If anyone is a capitalist shill, it's Jimmy. He seems to be going the way of Dave Rubin, finding it's good money to claim to be a lefty, while constantly attacking the politicians that are the most left leaning.
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@Christopher Bradley As for Twitter allies. What does Dore do, besides social media? AOC backed Bernie (M4A), on the ground campaigning, when Dore was peddling Tulsi (public option) from his garage. AOC started a PAC, used that PAC, and her Twitter platform, to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, and ended up helping to remove a few more corporate Dems and add a few more M4A advocates to congress. While Dore was slandering her for no longer supporting M4A, she was on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A advocate to congress. Jimmy Dore, the one true champion of healthcare, on the other hand, abandoned Nina Turner on air ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress.
Jimmy basically does jack shit, except bitch on social media, and he promotes actions that benefit corporate Dems and Republicans more than anyone else.
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@neutrino78x No, I want those in power to respect human rights. You know full well that if there was a domestic terrorist group, criminal gang, or whatever, they wouldn't just willy nilly blow up a f*cking block, full of civilians, to get them. Because they actually care about not killing their own civilians or, at least, care about the reaction of their own civilians. If you're intentionally dropping a bomb on civilians, you're intentionally killing civilians.
And, again, Israel has hundreds of thousands of militants hiding amongst the populace, using them as "human shields".
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@secularsocialist Has Dore addressed why he took total population hospitalization rates and compared them to a year and a half old case fatality rate, to dishonestly portray covid deaths as "WILDLY inflated"?
Has Dore addressed why he'd take government negotiated vaccine prices, for vaccines given out for free (a tiny taste of what M4A would be like), and spin some "big pharma" conspiracy ... which both creates vaccine hesitancy and criticizes a universal healthcare measure ... all while he peddles unproven, more expensive, and privately paid for, alternatives?
Has he addressed why he, and Max, dishonestly misrepresented what was happening with the completely socialized UK healthcare system, regarding vaccines and kids ... which, again, causes both vaccine hesitancy and attacks a socialized healthcare system?
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@secularsocialist Oh, yeah, here ... let me spend 15 min telling you how bad the side effects of the vaccine can be, without telling you the same side effects are caused by covid, at much higher rates, and then pretend I've sent a pro-vaccine message.
Here, let me lie about effective alternatives, leading people to believe they don't need the vaccine, and then pretend I've sent a pro-vaccine message.
Here, let me lie about covid and children, making it seem like vaccines don't help them, and then pretend like I've sent a pro-vaccine message.
Etc.
F*cking bullshit.
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@secularsocialist What right winger, critiquing from the right, has been called a leftist?
How is lying about a more socialized healthcare system, critiquing from the left? How is constantly portraying a tiny taste of socialized healthcare, in a negative light, critiquing from the left? How is peddling privately paid for, more expensive, "healthcare" alternatives, critiquing from the left? How is peddling Trump as the better option than Clinton, critiquing from the left? How is peddling Tulsi over Bernie, critiquing from the left? How is peddling allying with "extreme free market" psycho Boogaloos, critiquing from the left? How is going on white nationalist television, just to largely agree with every right wing talking point, critiquing from the left? How is slandering progressives who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, critiquing from the left? How is promoting sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, and letting Republicans rule for decades to come, critiquing from the left?
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@secularsocialist As a Dore knob, you should know that Dore himself argues to not just listen to people's words. A grifter will claim to be selling you one thing, but is actually selling you something completely different. Just pointing at things he claims to be for, isn't evidence of anything. What directions does he actually propose taking?
On Rogan's show, Dore not only dishonestly peddled Ivermectin as a proven effective remedy, he peddled the further dishonesty that it's a proven effective preventative. The average price of a bottle of 20 Ivermectin pills is $100. If you take 1 a month, as a preventative, that's worth 3+ shots a year, if you take 1 a week, that's worth like 15 shots a year, and it's paid for out of pocket instead of free from the government. He also seemed fine with Rogan's $2000+ out of pocket "kitchen sink", as an alternative to getting the vaccine. He, and Max, also lied about the completely socialized UK healthcare system, while pandering to anti-vaxxers, making it also anti-socialized healthcare pandering. His anti-vax schtick has also been anti-socialized healthcare, and pro handing "big pharma" even more money out of pocket.
Everyone at FOX is vaxxed. Being vaxxed doesn't mean you can't peddle anti-vax propaganda. He has been caught peddling misinformation, multiple times. If I spend hours telling people that skydiving is really really really dangerous, and then wrap the conversation up by saying you should try it. That wasn't a pro-skydiving conversation, dimwit.
You're lying. He has a video called "Hillary Presidency Worse For Progressives & America Than Trump". That's just the reverse wording of Trump is better than Clinton. He outright peddled Trump as the better option.
Tulsi was never to the left of Bernie on anything. He just didn't do his homework.
“In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk. When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” - Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Tribune-Herald, 2016
Pretty much every US intervention, since 9/11, has used the war on terror as justification.
You're the one lying. Dore's Boogaloo buddy clearly stated he was for an "extreme free market". Jimmy was fine with that, and promoted allying with that. Jimmy is the kind of "leftist" that winds up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives.
I didn't criticize simply going on FOX, dimwit. Dore went on and agreed with Tucker's right wing framing of free speech and Trump being tossed off of social media. Dore, and Glenn, generally take the right wing framing. They don't point out that there's no such thing as free speech rights on someone else's private property. They don't point out that, if you want free speech, then public ownership is the way to get it. They don't point out that inciting an insurrection isn't even protected speech in public. Then, and this was right as the second impeachment was beginning, Dore threw in the off topic bone that he considered the first impeachment bogus, to help cast a shadow on the second impeachment. Then, he finally got to Assange, but plenty of right wingers like WikiLeaks, and Tucker has some pro Assange videos going back to a year before Dore was even on. Even that wasn't even a left wing issue.
"Pressuring" and slandering are two different things. Dore slanders those who have been helping to add M4A yes votes to congress. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Pelosi has already reintroduced M4A again, this session (she also did last session), and it's sitting in committees again. Dore should be pressuring those currently sitting on the bill, instead of those who have co-signed it, and have been increasing the congressional vote count.
Pretty much every direction Dore peddles benefits corporate Dems, or Republicans. At best, a third party gets you less than 400k voters and you're sitting in an irrelevant party. At worst, you convince enough progressives to split off their votes, to hand seats back to corporate Dems, or Republicans. All for some fantasy, that your perfectly perfect puritan progressive party won't produce another Kyrsten Sinema.
You're bending so far backwards, to defend a grifter, that your head is up your ass.
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@VColossalV YouTube not liking some words here, so ditched some vowels ...
@VColossalV He makes out like IL are the peaceful ones. They're not, at all, the colnzng, etnc cleansing, occprs, operating an open air ghto, like the Thrd Rch. They're the poor victims. It's the ones living in the open air ghto, that are equivalent to the Thrd Rch.
"What is the alternative to vlnce for IL in its current conflict with Hms, given what Hms did on Oct 7th, and given what it has vowed to do again at any opportunity? Pacifism? Pacifism only works against a morally sane adversary. It worked against the Brtsh in India. But pacifism would not have worked against the Nzs. Had the Allies decided that war is just too awful, and they just couldn’t stomach kllng any more Grmn children, we would all be living in the 1000-year Rch."
Oh, and this all has absolutely nothing to do with some colnlsm policy ... and Hz and possibly Irn, will need to be dealt with similarly.
"The first point is that the problem that IL faces with Hms, and eventually Hzbllh, and ultimately Irn, while it is existential for IL, and dangerous and difficult in many specific ways, is a variant of a larger problem that has nothing, in principle, to do with IL or Jws or Amrcn foreign policy."
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@whyamimrpink78 That number is completely abnormal, compared to the rest of the developed world, because everyone has coverage in the rest of the developed world. Zero people are dying DUE to not having coverage. I don't know why you can't grasp this simple concept. If there are any deaths DUE to that specific reason, simply giving everyone coverage will outright eradicate that as a reason for someone dying. Nobody can die, DUE to lack of coverage, if everyone has coverage. This is really really simple, man. You are trying way too hard, to dodge a very simple fact. Understand? Show me you understand this very simple fact, by answering the following ... If every American has healthcare coverage, how many Americans will die DUE to a lack of healthcare coverage?
You just seem to want to control for every tiny little thing, in some lame attempt to argue it's impossible to find the US system is bad, or that it's impossible to compare to others and find it's worse. You know that would also mean it's impossible to find the US system is good, right? But you've tried to argue that it is. If it's impossible to measure, if all measures are completely arbitrary, then you've got zero grounds for arguing it's a good system.
"The study assessed mortality among uninsured and privately insured persons aged 17 to 64 years, controlling for demographic characteristics, smoking, alcohol consumption, body mass index, leisure time activity, self-rated health, and physician-rated health after the NHANES physician completed the medical examination."
"In the main model, being uninsured was associated with a mortality hazard ratio of 1.40 (CI, 1.06 to 1.84)."
https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2635326/relationship-health-insurance-mortality-lack-insurance-deadly
The Commonwealth Fund study. You know, the doctor run organization. Not the American Enterprise Institute, run by Ayn Rand types.
So, the Oregon study was all of 2 years, measured a handful of things, and included most of the healthiest ages to be, 19-64. It excluded the elderly, and children, who are most at risk. Still ...
"it did increase use of health care services, raise rates of diabetes detection and management, lower rates of depression, and reduce financial strain."
So, how do you think that diabetes and depression management would play out over 20 years, or more? How do you think the increased visits would affect the elderly, and children? There's nothing about pregnant women. How do you think increased visits would affect infant and maternal mortality? How is the reduced financial strain not an objectively better outcome than having increased financial strain?
Firstly, you were the one all concerned, and singling out lifestyle choices, not me. That's a way to deal with lifestyle choices. Are you opposed to speeding and seatbelt laws? Secondly, you right wingers seem to be willy nilly with your support, or disdain, for consumption costs/taxes. You're perfectly good with corporations making billions using public roads and infrastructure while paying little to nothing for those things, want parents or students to cover their own education costs, want people to cover their own private healthcare costs, but if healthcare goes public you don't want people who make shit choices to pay a little more towards it. That's not "controlling" your life. That's simply charging you an extra fee for an express lane pass to needing healthcare. Like higher car insurance for young or bad drivers. Like higher life insurance for smokers.
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@abe8435 What did I say that's been debunked? Dore knobs have done absolutely nothing with the list of $15 no voters, and just kept bitching and whining about those who got it to stay in, and voted for it.
I'm addressing "fraudsquad" spewing Dore knobs. It's you that's deflecting, and who provided nothing indicating I'm wrong.
What it takes to pass bills is numbers. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 pro-M4A progressives, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. That's exactly what needs doing to actually pass M4A, and other progressive policies. She was just campaigning for Nina, to help add one more, and both were promoting M4A. Dore's headline, days later, claimed she had abandoned M4A. He's a slanderous idiot. He and his followers are pathetic good for nothings. Getting a single seat is a big deal. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in its 20 year existence.
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@luchi.el.zorrito Strong voter ID laws are directly classist. Poor people are less likely to have a driver's license, so it's a hurdle you're adding for them, before they can vote. Poor people can less afford to take a day off to go get ID. "Free", except for that time off you won't get paid for, and your transportation costs. Hispanic and black Americans have higher percentages of poverty, which would make it indirectly racist, if that wasn't for the fact that is common knowledge, before the fact.
While Georgia isn't going back to zero drop boxes, and drop boxes are "expanding" from 2016, the 2020 election obviously made voting too convenient, so they're drastically reducing it from the amount they allowed for in 2020.
There are already fewer polling stations per capita in poorer districts which, again, disproportionately affects certain minority groups, making them have to stand in line longer. And now people can't bring them any food or water, as if they're going to change their vote in line, due to a water handout. Not sure why this would be an issue, if handing out food and water were a bipartisan activity. Oh wait, it's not, because right wingers don't give two shits about the people in line for hours.
But you've probably heard, or read, this kind of stuff before, and are just playing stupid.
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@turanamo Yeah, I don't get why people think he actually cares if they get healthcare. In 2016, he did what he could, from promoting Trump as better than Clinton to promoting Stein as having a chance of winning, to get Trump elected, not caring if that would lead to the ACA being repealed and millions losing their healthcare. During the 2020 primaries, he promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice") over Bernie (M4A). During the 2020 general, he basically ran an attack campaign against Biden, Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if Trump won and that could lead to the ACA being repealed, not caring if Trump killed thousands more Americans, not caring to get millions more covered by lowering the Medicare age. Now, he's slandering the most progressive politicians in congress, especially the one who just used her platform and PAC to help get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress, the very thing that actually moves you closer to passing M4A. And, he wants to start yet another third party, that likely won't even get a single seat for decades, let alone M4A, and could simply split the vote enough to let Republicans rule and destroy people's healthcare more.
If anyone is a "fake", "shill", and "wimp", it's the guy who basically campaigns for Republicans and stabs progressives making small gains in the back.
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Speaking of grifters ... Jimmy has a new video out, downplaying the risks of covid, called "Are COVID death rates WILDLY inflated?". I could only make it through a few minutes of his stupidity, or dishonesty ...
It's very clear that the 3.4% "death rate" is the case fatality rate ... deaths per confirmed case. This number is always changing, and can be found all over the place. Only someone who is completely inept, wouldn't be able to find the current case fatality rate. But, somehow Jimmy couldn't. Only someone who failed grade school math couldn't figure it out themselves. 750k deaths is 1.5% of 50m confirmed cases. But, somehow Jimmy couldn't.
He apparently didn't actually read the Gallup article, he's referencing, or skipped the parts he didn't like. The hospitalization rates he's citing are based on the total vaccinated and unvaccinated populations, not just those who contract covid. This isn't comparable to the case fatality rate. It's based on totally different math. The comparable "death rate" would be the population mortality rate. 750k deaths is 0.23% of 330m total population.
So, now he's making out like covid is a lot less harmful than doctors and scientists, worldwide, have stated, and there's some giant worldwide conspiracy to inflate numbers.
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@MyName-cw4yr Peterson had already been living under that law, at the provincial level, for years. Other provinces also had similar laws, for years. And yet, he had zero examples to support his slippery slope claims, which were pure bullshit. Canada has hate speech laws, and yet he wasn't attacking the hate speech laws, hadn't had a history of attacking Canada's hate speech laws, in general. He was only attacking including protection for transgender people. He lied that someone could get thrown in jail for mistakenly saying the wrong pronoun. The bill is tied to the hate speech laws, so whatever is said would need to include threats, or said repeatedly to rise to the level of harassment, to violate the law.
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@andrewwells6323 No, dumbass, as I've repeatedly said, you're just talking about different things than I am. That is you misrepresenting me. The overall economy doesn't refute anything I'm saying.
You seem to think 2 $5/hr jobs is just as good, or an improvement from 1 $10/hr job. As individuals, the 2 $5/hr workers can buy less stuff. A decent paying job being automated, doesn't equate to an improvement for workers, even if it creates the same, or more, lower paying jobs. The workers are still fucked, at an individual level, and can't buy the same amount of the same stuff.
People operating power looms were then paid shit, compared to hand loom weavers ... while overall cost of living was up ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power-loom_riots
Automation to replace 800m jobs, globally, by 2030, and you might want read worst case scenario, if a country doesn't prepare, because the US sure as hell isn't good at preparing ... it also refers to hitting the middle class, and increasing wealth disparity ...
https://www.mckinsey.com/featured-insights/future-of-work/jobs-lost-jobs-gained-what-the-future-of-work-will-mean-for-jobs-skills-and-wages
So, your 2 $5/hr workers then buy the cheapest shit they can find, just to get by, and neither can afford some of the things the $10/hr workers could. They can't afford to buy the same stuff. Walmart steps in with cheaply made crap, and shit paid employees, to sell to those workers, and their own shit paid workers. They then put some businesses selling better quality items, and/or paying employees better, out of business. Those people might then have to go work in the Walmart for shit.
https://www.businessnewsdaily.com/2405-real-cost-walmart.html
With more and more shit wages, or stagnating wages, individuals can't afford to buy as many cars. So, here GM has some options ... a) take a hit in profit or exec salaries, and pay employees more, so they can buy cars; b) move the plant to Mexico, save a ton of money, and pass that savings on by drastically reducing prices of cars for customers; or c) move the plant to Mexico, save a ton of money, and keep that savings as profit. Unlike Walmart bringing in cheap poor quality, GM moves towards the same quality for cheaper ... but where are all the coinciding price reductions on vehicles? There aren't any. They're using it as a temporary way to increase profit margins. They'll be fucked once all of their plants are already in Mexico, and they need another way to cut costs, for a temporary rise in profits. They're paying people 10x less, in Mexico, yet moving a plant never results in a large reduction in price.
https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/jan/03/gm-now-top-automaker-in-mexico-as-it-idles-us-fact/
In fact, not only aren't prices on the same, or similar quality, items going down, overall, the cost of living keeps going up and up, while wages don't keep up. Meaning ... people can't afford to buy as much stuff.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickwwatson/2018/09/25/real-wage-growth-is-actually-falling/
Based on your bullshit, cost of living outpacing wages shouldn't even be possible. In fact, outsourcing, automating, keeping wages down, laying off as many people as possible, etc., should actually be lowering the cost of living, by your argument, but I've never heard of such a thing. Maybe you think a handful of tech items represents how everything works?
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@davidhughes4089 A big part of covid numbers has to do with the initial outbreak. Unfortunately, Boris didn't take things seriously enough, right out of the gate. There's a strong correlation between trace testing rates (tests per confirmed case) and covid spread. The UK's testing rate was even lower than the US' pathetic rate, early on. Both countries were testing 5 or less people per confirmed case, for months. Italy, Spain, and France, weren't much better, testing under 10 people per confirmed case. All of them had a pretty bad 2020. Once the cats were out of the bag, it was hard to try and gain control, and get ahead of the virus.
Canada and Germany got up to 15+ fairly quickly. Denmark, Norway, and Finland, got up to 20+. They all had medium results. Canada's covid deaths per million rate, for example, would translate into 54k total UK covid deaths, instead of 150k, and would translate into about 250k total US covid deaths, instead of 850k.
Countries like S Korea, Vietnam, Australia, and New Zealand, got their testing rates up to over 50 people per confirmed case, early on. They all had excellent results. Australia's deaths per million rate would translate into about 6k total UK covid deaths, and about 36k total US covid deaths.
You just can't get ahead of the virus spread, testing only 5 people per confirmed case. If the infected person has been in the vicinity of 50 people, before testing positive, and you only test 5 of those people, then you only have a 10% chance of finding who they infected. If you aren't actively looking for asymptomatic carriers, then they'll just keep spreading it wildly.
The UK is now up to almost 29, ahead of Canada at 22. Germany has dropped to 13. Australia is up to 71. New Zealand and others are testing in the hundreds per confirmed case.
The US is up to 13, but things are so politically divided, you know that's going to be a lot higher with some people and a lot lower with others, who are just letting it spread now, and who are even legislating to oppose attempts to contain the virus anymore.
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@adamromero I see it as the online anti-Bernie people and bots, the DNC, and the MSM, are constants, at every level. Those are the generic normal, champion, and unique monsters. Their attacks get stronger or more numerous with every level.
1st boss: Warren, challenging for progressive support. (DEFEATED)
2nd boss: Fake out, it wasn't Biden, it was Sneaky Pete slipping in there. (CHEATED rnd 1 ... rnd 2 tonight)
3rd boss: Biden challenging for black voters in more diverse states than Iowa or New Hampshire.
4th boss: Bloomberg and his billions
Once they're all defeated, will have to see if they help against Big Boss Trump or not.
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@EbluestarE It's stupid when you have say one smoking causes cancer doctor and one smoking doesn't cause cancer doctor, and make out like they're equally valid points, that the public should debate and decide, instead of a consensus of doctors.
No ivermectin "study" has been deemed sufficient to conclude ivermectin is an effective remedy. They've been deemed insufficient, biased, and even outright fraudulent. You don't need to both sides it, as if they're equally valid, and have an ignorant public debate whether it's effective, and decide for themselves. Peer review and scientific consensus have nothing to do whether an opinion wins a public popularity content. All you really need to report is what's holding up under peer review, and what the scientific consensus is.
The unvaccinated aiming for natural immunity, are letting 1% of their population die, and letting millions get long covid, to get their individual natural immunity ... that also wears off, like vaccines, and then you have to let people die, and get long covid, again, just so you can get natural immunity again. It doesn't deserve equal time.
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@gudmundursturluson7683 Rofl! The tea party was backed by the Koch brothers, and other far right donors that were pressuring all the Republicans in congress. There were constantly growing numbers of them. Republicans don't actually need to be pushed that hard to move further right. As you can see, the majority are plenty happy to support all out fascism. Plus, the only way a minority within a party can have any power over the majority, is if that majority is unwilling to work with the other party. If the non tea party Republicans had simply worked with enough Democrats, they could have passed whatever they wanted, and totally ignored the tea partiers.
There are zero big donors pushing other Democrats to jump onboard with progressives. New congressional Dems aren't joining the progressive caucus weekly. Corporate Dems have no natural tendency to move left. Plus, the Manchin types are clearly willing to work with Republicans. Expecting similar results to the tea party would be completely moronic. They aren't, at all, samesies.
Justice Dems have increased the progressive vote count. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass a bill. AOC helped add a few more, as well. She was on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, trying to add another. Dore slanders those progressives, who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. And, he publicly abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress.
Other countries don't have the same political system, or similar party divisions. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. Even if you magically got a significant percentage of progressives to vote third party, then Republicans would rule for decades to come, due to vote splitting.
"Vote blue" works both ways. The vast majority of those who vote against progressives in the primaries tend to vote for them in the general. Any hope of Bernie becoming president would have relied on "vote blue" working for him. Progressives running as Dems has proven to be the far more effective way to win a seat than going third party has. Plus, you're not guaranteed a third party will only produce perfectly perfect puritan progressives. Green produced Kyrsten Sinema.
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Kyle, please do a segment on how a VAT actually works. It's built right into VAT systems that VAT registered businesses get their input VAT credited back to them. It is not a way to make corporations like Amazon "pay their fair share", as Yang falsely claims. While he's claiming it will force Amazon to pay taxes, Amazon is already operating in countries with a VAT and has their own tutorial page on how businesses get their input VAT credited back.
https://services.amazon.co.uk/services/vat-resources.html
"If the person or businesses that is buying is registered for VAT they can deduct the amount of VAT paid from his/her settlement with the tax authorities."
https://www.hwca.com/accountants-hull/what-is-vat-input-and-vat-output/
"The GST takes into account the cost of inputs – the factors used in manufacturing or production – at each stage of the process to avoid double taxation. Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption."
http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
Since a VAT won't actually tax Amazon, and since their share of US consumer spending is 2%, handing consumers $3t will only make them an extra $60b a year, while still paying nothing in taxes. That would, in turn, make Bezos more money a year than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT. The very people Yang claims he's going after will only get richer from him.
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@CMfuell Rofl! For every 2 empty seats, absentees, or abstentions, the threshold needed to win is lowered by 1, you dimwitted Dore knob. At the time, there were 2 empty seats. 2 empty seats, plus 15 abstentions, lowers the threshold needed to win by 8, down to 210. If every other Dem voted Pelosi, she'd get 207. If every Republican voted McCarthy, he'd get 211. He'd win the speakership.
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@robinsss How the f*ck is being allowed to buy, sell, and own, another human being, not also an economic issue, especially so you can make a bigger profit rather than hire people and pay wages? How is having a monopoly on land also not an economic issue? How is money funneling to the very top, and leaving millions destitute, also not an economic issue? Etc.
What, about capitalism, says that I, as a landlord, can't charge tenants whatever I want, can't set whatever rules I want for living on my property, and can't hire my own security to enforce those rules and collect those fees?
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Zoom Boom You mean strategies like using that massive social media platform of hers, and her PAC, to help take out the chair of the foreign affairs committee, by backing Jamaal Bowman, and helping to add other pro-M4A progressives to congress, as well? Or using that platform to spotlight striking union workers? Or using it to raise money for Texans, putting their Republican representatives to shame?
Only a complete moron, like Dore, would both think he's accomplishing things, think he's fighting, using his relatively small social media platform, while making out like using a much larger social media platform doesn't accomplish anything, and doesn't amount to fighting for anything.
Bernie, AOC, and other progressives, have used their platforms to spread progressive ideas, have used them to make ideas like M4A and GND part of mainstream discussion, have used them to increase public support for said ideas ... oh no, make them stop!
On top of that platform, that you're criticizing, being a valuable tool for the progressive cause, she is accomplishing more than any third party, just by having a seat in congress, that allows her to put forward bills, cast votes on bills, join committees, etc. The most popular third party hasn't even won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence.
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@seabass155 CDC: "During March 2020–January 2021, the period that coincided with the COVID-19 pandemic, the risk for myocarditis was 0.146% among patients diagnosed with COVID-19 during an inpatient or hospital-based outpatient encounter and 0.009% among patients who were not diagnosed with COVID-19."
0.146% = 146 per 100000 (COVID)
0.009% = 9 per 100000 (No COVID)
My bad, the age table ...
16-24: 0.098% = 98 per 100000 (C)
16-24: 0.013% = 13 per 100000 (~C)
^But, those would be higher for boys/men.
CTV reporting on Ontario announcement: "The risk of myocarditis in Ontario following the second dose of Moderna in men in the 18 to 24 age group was one in 5,000, the government said. The number is much lower for women.
That number is approximately one in 28,000 for the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine."
1 per 5000 = 20 per 100000 (M)
1 per 28000 = 3.6 per 100000 (P)
So, Pfizer is 3.6x lower than the no covid rate, and 27x lower than the COVID rate.
Moderna is 1.5x the no covid rate, but 4.9x lower than the COVID rate.
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@HavokBWR What was it you considered "prejudice" to mean? You think trying to achieve a better balance is driven purely by a hate, rather than a desire for equal rights, equal opportunities, equal treatment, equal pay, or whatnot? That doesn't sound quite right. Was the US founded on hatred, because they didn't want to pay taxes without equal representation?
Ugh. The division was then property owners vs non property owners, and non property owners were denied the right to vote. It was classist. Denying black Americans rights was racist. Denying women rights was sexist. Denying non Christians rights was bigoted (indirectly racist, since it applied mainly to blacks and natives, at the time).
Rofl. Conscription? That's your big beef? Have you asked women if they support conscription? I think you're just pulling a load out of your ass, there. So, should undocumented males be given the right to vote, since they can be conscripted?
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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@vallano8970 Yang doesn't even have his UBI stack with SSI disability, which can currently stack with SNAP. If a disabled person is already getting $1000+ a month in assistance, they'll get zero economic benefit from the UBI but will still have to pay a 10% VAT on many things. They'd immediately be worse off with Yang. Non staples: electricity, phone, phone service, internet, toys, games, basically any entertainment with a cost, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance, and all kinds of things that still affect people's lives. Letting them opt out of the UBI doesn't let them opt out of paying the VAT.
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@vallano8970 Moron. I'm Canadian. I've been paying a VAT for almost 30 years and operated a VAT registered business. I know exactly how a VAT works. You left out how the department store would keep $1.00 and only send $1.00 to the government. A total of $2 was sent to the government. Every business was paid back their input VAT, and it was the final consumer who actually paid the full $2 VAT, because they're the only one who doesn't get paid back.
Here, while Yang is lying to you about how a VAT will tax Amazon, Amazon is already operating in countries with a VAT and has their own tutorial page on how businesses get their input VAT credited back to them.
https://services.amazon.co.uk/services/vat-resources.html
Also, if you don't think an extra $20 a month matters (say an extra $10 on electricity, $4 on phone service, $4 on internet, and a couple bucks elsewhere), then you've never been really poor. Some very poor people will be worse off, while Yang actually makes Amazon an extra $60b a year.
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The Gilded Age through to the Roaring 20s created massive economic inequality. Leading into the Great Depression, there were all kinds of labour riots, etc. Democrats sided more and more with the workers. Then came the crash, depression, FDR, and his New Deal. Unionization spiked, and Democrats were the party of workers and their unions. HUAC started upping it's game against "leftists", and then came McCarthyism in the early 50s. Things started shifting to the right, again, as did the Democrats. Reagan came along and pushed things even further right.
Economically, the two parties became not all that different, both right wing, Democrats swapping union support for corporate support as unionization rates dropped. They differed more and more on social issues (Republicans taking in very religious views, and taking in the Southern racists). The Tea Party nuts took the Republicans to an even more extreme right, leaving Democrats right wing, but left of them.
Progressives want to return to the true centrist position, like FDR. A truer centre between all out capitalism and all out socialism. The current "centrist" corporate Dems want to stay in the "centre" between Republicans and Progressives, and stick with their now corporate backers.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@whyamimrpink78 Rofl. Trump wasn't a threat to the elites. He gave giant corporations, and the super rich, all kinds of handouts. He had the same old Republicans in his administration. The same old Republicans in congress supported him.
How the hell are local election officials elites relative Trump (the head of the federal government ... the head of the elites)? How are judges elites relative to Trump? Even ones he appointed (was the supposed threat to elites packing the courts with elites?) ruled against his garbage lawsuits.
How the hell are scientists, doctors, and nurses, "elites"? Yes, Trump did want people to ignore what the vast majority of scientists, doctors, and nurses, across the world, were saying, if they contradicted him. No, he was not right about anything important. Trusting a broad consensus of scientists, doctors, and nurses, across the world, is not bowing to the elites, dumb dumb. Looking for the 1 in 1000 specialists, peddling misinformation for corporations, is trusting the elites. Trump, literally, went backwards on the environment, against a ton of science, all for giant corporations.
Again, he fought against state and local governments, which you argue better represent the people. Again, he fought against the voice of the people, tried to overthrow the democratic process, and rule as an unelected dictator. But, hey, you keep pretending you aren't the one attached to the elites by a cord. Remember that your Big Brother speaks in doublespeak.
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@RuckFussia They aren't at war. All the Palestine territories are considered occupied by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even the individual governments allied to Israel. Israel controls the Gaza borders, airspace, ports, electricity, water, imports and exports (only people are allowed to cross Rafah), and Bibi even controls the money coming from Qatar, having turned it off and on, whenever he feels like, before. This is an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. This is like bombing one of those ghettos, to root out the Jewish underground. Palestinians are under the occupiers' protection.
The world did not begin on Oct 7. This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank. But hey, go ahead and pretend like Hamas "started" something.
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@ranzilberman Oh, my bad, I misread your racism.
Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, racist, so they're simply Arabized natives that converted, somewhere along the way. "Arab" is like "Hispanic". Doesn't necessarily mean someone came from Spain/Arabia, just that they practice the culture, language, etc.
For another, you're not very bright, on top of being racist. Both the Greeks and Persians, before the Romans, called the region Palestine, including Aristotle and Herodotus. And, yes, the Assyrians, Babylonians, and Egyptians, called the land that existed right alongside Israel and Judah, for the same length of time that little Judah existed (Israel was wiped out about 120 years before), Philistine or Philistia. And, everyone after the Romans, also called it Palestine. Being called Judea was a small percentage of the thousands of years it has been called Palestine. And, the People living there were called Palestinians several times, well before the 1950s.
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AOC routinely votes against the State Department appropriation bill, that funds the yearly offensive military funding to Israel. That's the more important vote. Voting "present", for a purely defensive system, is less important. Voting to say you want rockets to hit, and kill, Israelis, isn't the greatest political position to take.
The $15 minimum passed the house, where the Justive Dems are. It was the senate that took it out. If they had voted against the bill that came back to the house, the entire bill could have died.
Justice Dems are part of the larger Progressive Caucus, which is only about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems, at which point they could pick their party speaker candidate, and lead the direction of the party. And, if a progressive were speaker of the house, they could then put forward whatever bills they wanted to be voted on. It's an entirely bad time, to give up on trying to take over the party.
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@Warrenmitchum The rest of the world heard the same things from WHO. The rest of the world heard the same things from China. Fauci is a Reagan appointee, and a Bush medal of freedom honory. He's also not the head of the pandemic response team. The head of that team is ... oh wait, Trump disbanded that team. Changing your stance, as more information becomes available, isn't necessarily a bad thing, and sticking to your empty guns, isn't necessarily a good thing.
Cuomo is also an idiot. I've personally been saying he's as incompetent as Dumpty, all along. Trash him all you want. Whatabout all day long, if you like.
Vietnam shares one of the longest borders with China. They are constantly flooded with Chinese tourism and trade. And yet, they have one of the lowest covid case and fatality rates in the world. The US response was complete incompetence. A response like Vietnam's would have meant under 1k deaths. Even a mediocre response, like Canada's, would have meant hundreds of thousands of fewer deaths. The US response was a total shit show.
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What are you talking about? They've always criticized Bibi. And, the problem is bigger than just Bibi.
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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The "dwarves" in folklore are also their own race, who tend to live separately from humans. They aren't small outcast humans. Having all the dwarves, elves, hobbits, etc., in LoTR be of the same stature, same culture, no pointy ears, no hairy feet, no beards, etc., would be nonsensical.
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The crime rate jumped in 2020, under Trump, dumb dumb.
Averaged out, Trump had more border crossings per year than Obama. He sucked worse than Obama at the one thing racists voted for him for.
Trump also ended zero wars and dropped more bombs per year than Obama. Plus, pissed off Iran, backed out of nuke deal with Iran. Ignored his dictator buddy in N Korea, who is estimated to have built 30-40 nukes under Trump's watch. Gave Putin secrets about Israel. Gave some rando billionaire donor nuclear secrets. All his "peace" deals were nonsense, between countries that weren't really fighting.
By Trump's own favorite measure, the stock market, his biggest gains were in his first year, under Obama's last budget. When his own first budget, and tax breaks for the rich and corporations, kicked in, the stock market almost flatlined.
Dumpty had one of the worst pandemic responses in the world. Both, in terms of health and economic support for the people.
Inflation and gas prices are up around the world. Nothing to do with Biden. The US is actually doing better than most.
On top of all that, Trump is actually a lifelong criminal. His daddy had him committing tax fraud, when he was in diapers. He had to settle 2 suits for not renting to black Americans. He racked up $10.5m in fines, for improperly running his casinos. He and daddy were fined for gaming fraud, when daddy bought $3m in chips and didn't cash them in, to try and bail out his incompetent son. Settled suit for grifting his own Trump University fans. Guilty of rape and defamation. Guilty of bank fraud.
That's not even getting into how divisive he is, with his hate and fear mongering.
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@joe smath Rofl. You're claiming punching someone makes you a Nazi, and you think you're a good judge of IQ? Anarchists and communists getting into street fights with fascists and Nazis, in Italy and Germany, didn't magically turn the anarchists and communists also into Nazis. That's not the qualification that makes someone a Nazi, or not, ffs. There was also the Iron Front, which opposed Nazis, authoritarian communism, and monarchy. Simply punching a Nazi didn't magically make them Nazis, either. That is a seriously dumbass argument.
How is promoting the idea that people should have their rights taken away and forcibly removed from the country, not a threat to those people?
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@hwajuhwarang I didn't argue a VAT doesn't generate revenue. So, you're not actually making a counter point. Just a strawman.
I argued it doesn't tax corporations, as Yang falsely claims. That also makes his claims that a VAT will have corporations paying you for your data, paying you to show you ads, or paying you for every automated truck mile, false. That also makes his comparison between his dividend, which won't have corporations paying into it, and the Alaskan dividend, which is paid for by corporations, a false equivalence.
Since he won't have corporations paying into the dividend then they will only benefit from the dividend being spent. Amazon would make an extra $60b a year from $3t in increased consumer spending. That's extra billions a year they could invest into automating even faster. It would make Bezos an extra $6+b a year. He could buy a brand new $1b yacht every single year, paying $100m in VAT, and still be in the plus $5.9+b. That would increase the speed of inequality.
That's not a sustainable plan.
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@Bet Your lunch Aaron and Jimmy have blathered on, and on, about 2 dissenting opinions on a single, no fault finding, investigation. 2 dissenting opinions don't debunk that single investigation, let alone the numerous others, that had zero dissenting opinions, or the numerous follow up fault finding investigations that had zero dissenting opinions. That no fault finding investigation, they keep blathering about, didn't even begin until after, the US, and others, had bombed Syria (2018, not 2013), and the final report wasn't out until almost a year later. The report had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria. It's a big nothingburger.
There was a chemical weapons attack, just the month before. It had a no fault investigation, with zero dissenting opinions. It had a fault finding follow up investigation, that faulted Syria, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2013. 2 dissenting opinions on a single no fault investigation, doesn't erase all of those.
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@purklepanda5574 Trump just started his own social media platform, aka a blog. He can walk out in public and say whatever he wants. His free speech hasn't been denied. One private company, Apple, no longer wanted to sell some other private company's app in their app store (which they're now allowing back in, btw), has nothing to do with free speech. Retail stores decide to stop selling other's stuff, all the time. Again, this is something that has been happening, since the dawn of stores. And, nothing about free speech gives you a right to a specific private company's audience. You don't have a right to be on TV, the radio, or have a right to have everything you write printed in the paper, or in a book. Nothing about this has anything to do with "free speech", when it all involves private companies.
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@gabedude68 If they're still running a hotline, fishing for evidence of widespread voter fraud, then they don't have evidence of widespread voter fraud. If they just put up a reward, fishing for evidence of widespread voter fraud, then they don't have evidence of widespread voter fraud. Every election there is a miniscule percentage of voter fraud, and them going to court over all of that, before conceding, is just wasting people's time, and won't change the results. Out of 150m votes, finding a dozen here, or even a hundred there, is an absolutely ridiculous thing to put the entire country through.
Trump baselessly claimed widespread voter fraud in 2016, as well. His own election integrity commission found nothing of the sort.
He's a proven con artist ... proven in court ... and 70m people are buying his bullshit.
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@loverainthunder The dynamics of power is that, on bills, there are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives. That makes it absolutely impossible to pass bills without the likes of Manchin. On the flip side, there is the entire Republican party to the right of Manchin, to try and draw extra votes from. If enough Republicans can be brought onboard a bill, then you can pass it without needing progressive votes. A standoff between the left end and right end, of the party, is far more likely to move a bill even further right, rather than left.
With regard to the speakership vote, the house hasn't been paralyzed over a speakership vote in about a century. It's not some business as usual tactic. Starting an all out intra party war could have consequences. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. At that point, they could pick the party speaker candidate, at the Dem caucus. If there's an all out war, with corporate Dems, then they'll likely do the same thing right back at you, and you'll need them, and their votes, more than they need you, and your votes, to be able to pass anything.
Okay, you've started a war, for what, exactly? A purely performance art vote. You get a new list of names of congress members that won't sign onto the bill every new session of congress. You have a list of names of politicians who wouldn't sign on, during a pandemic, for 2020. You have a list of names of congress members who haven't signed on, during a pandemic, for 2021. Surely, Dore, and his knobs, are pestering and pressuring every single one of the members of congress who haven't signed on, and organizing protests against them ... wait, what, Dore, and his knobs just keep harrassing and slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters? Pathetic.
Pelosi actually introduced the M4A bill last session, where it died in committees. She has also already reintroduced the bill, this session, and it's sitting in committees. So, on top of the first two lists, you also have a list of committee members, who let the bill die, during a pandemic, and a list of committee members, who are currently sitting on the bill, during a pandemic. This ... this must be the group of people Dore, and his knobs, are pestering and pressuring, and organizing protests against, to get them to take up the bill ... wait, what, Dore, and his knobs just keep harrassing and slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters? Pathetic.
Dore is a grifter. What he actually promotes is having progressives sit on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, handing the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and letting Republicans rule for decades to come.
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@loverainthunder People were pretty freaking energized to get rid of Trump. People like Dore promoted the idea of letting Trump win ... that he was a better option for progressives than Clinton. He had a fantasy that it would result in a massive progressive backlash, that would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He claimed that even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), instead of following him into outright fascism (wrong). He claimed that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong).
Letting Trump win was stupid. If those are the only two viable options, still get your asses out and vote the conservative Dem as a vote for that being the worst you want the country to go, instead of letting things get even worse under Republicans. Letting Trump win actually sent voters screaming into Biden's "more electable" arms. It hurt the progressive movement. Bernie started a movement immediately after an Obama presidency. The very premise of the argument, that you need to go backwards to go forwards is idiotic, and has no basis in reality. Going backwards, with Republicans, has shifted the country further and further right. If progressives actually want to move forward, then they should energetically vote to not go backwards, even if the primary doesn't go our way.
Progressive candidates, themselves, are highly reliant on "vote blue". If they win the primary, the vast majority of Dems who voted against them in those primaries, will turn around and vote for them in the general. Any hope of Bernie becoming president, rested entirely on all Dems voting for him, in the general. We do need a blue team, that may not be entirely comprised of perfectly perfect puritan progressives, for things to go the progressives' way.
I get being jaded, and disappointed, but stop the cycle of madness, and keep f*cking Republicans out of power, forever. They've gone completely bat shit crazy fascist, ffs. Trying to completely overthrow, and end, the democratic process, is the last box that needed checking, to move them from being undemocratic to anti-democratic. Worry about getting even more of them out of office, worry about getting more conservative Dems out of office, before flipping out on, abandoning, and wanting to replace, progressives who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime.
You don't think AOC used what little leverage she had effectively, so be it. But the reality is still that she helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, in just 2 years. That's more than any third party has done in 50 years. That is going against the DNC candidates. Recently backing Nina was AOC still going against the DNC candidate. That's not the "status quo". And, that is infinitely better than going outright backwards, with Republicans. Get a grip on reality and focus the jaded anger where it should be. This getting angriest with those most aligned to your own views, is nonsensical. Slandering the vast majority of progressives, and the vast majority of progressive voters who vote for them, as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", and writing them all off as no longer allies, because of some stupid secondary tactic, is lunacy. Getting so jaded and angry, because you didn't get your way, and not voting, or casting a useless vote, and letting Republicans back in power ... THAT is the "status quo". That is what has been happening for decades.
All the covid misinformation is even more dangerous lunacy. Jimmy should be shut down, at this point. He is now making money off of encouraging people to die.
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@scoogsy Harris agreed it was already a given that, if you set a subjective goal, science can help you achieve that goal. If I want to go to the moon, science can tell me if something I do objectively moves me closer or further from that goal. Likewise, if you insert your own subjective idea of "well being" as your subjective goal, then science can also help achieve that goal. If Harris doesn't provide anything that gets you beyond that given, then he completely failed at showing how science can tell us what our goal should be ... a purely objective goal. He failed.
He defeated his own hierarchy nonsense in a seperate article, where he fearmongers about AI that is as advanced beyond us as we are to ants. If his hierarchy was actually objective, then he should be arguing that we should do whatever the AI wants, that it has objectively more value than us, as we supposedly have objectively more value than ants.
He then claims that all moral systems are about the "well being" of conscious creatures. If that's the case, then there are as many concepts of "well being" as there are concepts of moral systems. But, Harris moves on as if there is a singular concept of "well being" ... his own subjective one ... by which he can then "scientifically" judge all other moral systems.
He can't seem to make an analogous analogy to save his life:
Chess is a game with rules. It's not analogous to morality. It's analogous to laws (rules). Laws may be a reflection of a society's current morals, but they aren't themselves morality. People can come along and argue a law is itself immoral, just like they can come along and change game rules, if they want, and play a new way.
"Healthy" and "unhealthy" don't include oughts. "Moral", on the other hand, is how we ought to behave, and "immoral" is how we ought not behave.
He seems to be totally clueless as to what "poisoning" actually is, claiming some totally objective difference between "poison" and "food". "Poisoning" is simply too much of something in your system. We eat cyanide in apples. We can get poisoned from too much water. Most "poisonings" are overdoses of medications that are supposed to make us healthier.
Harris failed, and never provided anything beyond what he agreed was already a given. He also failed at some pretty basic philosophy.
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@scoogsy Holy crap. You can't even keep the words in front of your face straight. I didn't mention both is-ought. I mentioned only "ought". The words "moral" and "immoral" have oughts in them ... how we ought and ought not behave. If it's okay to behave immorally, then the word has no meaning. It is okay to eat an unhealthy Big Mac, if you feel like it. There's no "ought not" in "unhealthy". It's just a fact it's "unhealthy". It's okay to go skydiving and unhealthily increase your odds of dying. If you likewise take the "ought not" out of "immoral", then immorality no longer refers to wrong behaviour. It's a shite analogy.
I know full well the arrogant idiot thinks he solved the is-ought problem. He didn't, because his argument is based totally on subjectivity, not objectivity. He didn't get beyond his starting point. His hierarchy, which he does include, is subjective. Without it, he'd have to argue for veganism. His personal concept of "well being" is also subjective.
The difference between cyanide, water, and being "poisoned" has more to do with amounts. A drop of cyanide won't "poison" you. A ton of water will. A bunch of alcohol will. A bunch of medication will. Etc. Etc. Yet, we willingly ingest all the time. Poisoning isn't even always a bad thing to do. We intentionally poison people to cure cancer. Another shite analogy.
I think you're the one that needs to reread the book, without your fanboy glasses on.
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@LudVanB In the 20th century capitalists started two world wars killing tens of millions, genocided millions, starved millions of people in India, killed millions fighting over resources in the Congo, overthrew numerous elected governments, supported numerous murderous dictators, armed and trained religious extremists and terrorists, let millions around the world die or suffer due to rigid patents on life saving drugs, let millions of people die without healthcare, caused the great depression, ... totally awesome.
Currently, "communist" Denmark, with its 70-80% unionization, universal healthcare, paid college, high marginal tax rates, 30% of the population working public sector jobs, etc., along with other Scandinavian countries, are the happiest countries on the planet.
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@mojrimibnharb4584 The states with after election day mail in vote counting proved there was a significant difference between same day voting and mail in voting. It was also likely that way everywhere. It just wasn't noticable in states where they processed mail in votes early, and counted them at much the same time, as day of votes. It's not a good year to rely on exit polls.
A CNN exit poll tried to make a lame attempt to account for early and mail in voting by adding a phone survey to their day of exit polls, but even there, they polled 8000 people on election day, and phoned 5000 people. Meanwhile, about 100m people voted early or by mail, while about 50m voted on election day. The immediate obvious problem is that they should have, at least, called 16k people to represent early/mail in voters. The less obvious problem is that, if you start with a highly skewed data set (a higher percentage of Republican voters than should be) random phone calls might not fix that. To fix the skew, you'd have to know how the final vote count ends up, and adjust your phone calls to make sure you skew things the other way, until they align with the way the final vote went. And, you'd pretty much have to do it for how each electoral district voted, if you wanted to be accurate.
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@mickelcsaszar3244 God could have killed every firstborn sons of the Israelites, brought plagues, ordered stonings (like he did for numerous other things), etc., etc., etc., until they stopped slavery. Not like he wasn't willing to genocide the world, to end "evil", or anything. Could have just started yet a third time, and say "Oh, and extra rule, this time, that I forgot to tell Noah ... no slavery."
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@barbiquearea States had already negotiated new treaty lines with natives, opening up plenty of land for settlement, before the American Revolution. Washington had also been personally given tens of thousands of acres, as a reward for his service in the French Indian War. There's no indication the proclamation line was a major factor leading into the revolution.
American colonists largely did protest over new tax policies, to pay for debts from the war, and against being taxed without representation (and then they later went on to enacted their own taxes to pay for debts from the revolutionary war). Expanding voting to white male landowners, is still a much more democratic system, then nobody voting, and an appointed governor making decisions. Most white male colonists did own property, so it was almost all of them. Later expanding the system to include non landowners, then minority males, then women, were all also steps that made things more democratic, even if there are still undemocratic aspects to the system.
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@MorarLa Absolutely anyone who breaks laws is anti-American? It doesn't actually require trying to overthrow the government, or going to war against the nation? Like the underground railroad, sitting on the back of the bus, or whatnot? All anti-American, because they broke the laws of the times, in protest of the laws of the times?
Give me a break. Everything I mentioned was commonplace. Plenty of research has led to the consensus that maybe 10% of slaves were treated decently, and they were still considered property, and had no rights. Slaves couldn't testify against white people (very undemocratic), even if there were a law against doing any of those things. Who was going to? The other white guys doing the same stuff?
The senate going against the house is undemocratic. The very concept of the senate is undemocratic. Gerrymandering is undemocratic. Freezing the number of seats in the house, and therefore the number of electorals, is undemocratic. Women not being allowed to vote was undemocratic. Blacks and other minorities not being allowed to vote was undemocratic. By the time Brown came along, the Northern states had already abolished slavery. Are you sure, with over half the population not being allowed to vote, and the voting majorities in the North having already abolished slavery, that slavery was supported by the majority of Americans, and he was going against that?
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@Noodles1771 Are you on Dore's payroll? He makes more money than she does.
Make up your dumbass Dore knob minds. Is using social media to spread progressive ideas worth anything, or not? You lot make out like her doing it is not of value and not doing anything, while making out like Jimmy is some kind of warrior of truth, and now you're crying that she's not doing it? You idiots are all over the place. She helped add more M4A yes votes to congress during the election. If that's "folding", then "folding" is what's needed to ever pass the bill.
The $15 got a vote. It passed the house, the congressional body she belongs to. Remember when Dore and his knobs were claiming getting a vote on important bills was a big deal? The vote produced a list of no voters. Remember when Dore and his knobs made out like getting a list of no voters was a big deal? Now they think getting a vote is useless, and proved getting a list of no voters is pointless, because they aren't going to do anything with it anyway. Dore knobs are pathetic good for nothings, who just keep bitching about those who voted for it.
Freezing student debt payments and interest, until the end of September, was one of the first things Biden did, dumb dumb. It hasn't been a pressing matter that needs to be immediately resolved. She, and others are pushing to extend the freeze again, until next March.
At least the dimwit loudmouth Trump, and his cult, benefitted the far right, like they're supposed to. Why does dimwit Dore, and his Dore knob cult, also benefit the far right?
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@Trevoroxx You pivoted from a nation's "sovereignty" to personal "freedom", so made no actual point about sovereignty. Also, the US overdose rate is double Canada's. And, the only reason the US housing prices are a bit lower is because they had a major real estate bubble burst. Conservatives were proud of avoiding a bubble burst in Canada, at the time, and housing prices continuing to climb. The US has around the same number of doctors, nurses, and hospital beds, per capita, as the US. Americans don't use theirs because they can't afford to. They stay at home sick and have a 5 year shorter lifespan. How is some 60k people losing their lives due to lack of coverage, hundreds of thousands going bankrupt with healthcare debt, around a million traveling to places like India for affordable cancer treatments, etc., better healthcare?
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@BeeN-fy2jh You were claiming it wasn't on the rise under DT, but left out that JB didn't really pass anything until Mar. I said one caused the start of the rise, and one literally couldn't have, because the second one hadn't been passed and paid out, when it started. 1.7% to 2.6% in a month was the start of things, right? So, it was basically still DT's economy, and the rate started rising under his economy, since JB's bill wouldn't really take effect until Apr, right? And, since they're blending into each other, there's no real clear line, where you can say the effects of DT's $1t bill stops and Biden's $1t bill starts. A 2022 Fed Res study estimated relief bills may have caused 3% of the 2021 inflation rate spike. But, you lot don't want to hear about the profit margin side of the rest of the spike. Maybe talk to cmmnst Texas, who is currently taking a few corps to court, for p®I©€ g0ugiπg.
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@almitrahopkins1873 Buddhism is an atheistic, or agnostic, religion. As is Chinese ancestor spirit worship. But, all atheists don't practice those things, and aren't necessarily religious. There are also theists, mainly deist types, who aren't really religious, even though they have some kind of god belief. "Theism" and "religion" aren't synonymous. Even Dawkins has made that error, while trying to distance atheism from atheistic crusaders attached to some Communist movements, calling them religious like. Sure, but that doesn't change the fact that they were atheistic in nature, as he tries to make out. I agree that there are some religious like atheist crusaders, but atheism itself isn't a religion.
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@jumpinjohnnyruss Didn't say they'd stop it from being made. I said we'd still have polio. If everyone had their "common sense" (moronic) attitudes, then nobody would have ever taken the vaccine, because you can't study long term effects, if nobody takes it, and everyone would be scared to take it, forever. Or, even if there was a few test subjects, but they wanted to wait 40 f*cking years, before giving it to the public, to see if the test subject grows an extra arm, then polio would have kept spreading for 40 years, and we'd still have it, because it still took another 40 years, after the vaccine, to consider it basically eradicated.
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@OwainLlewellyn So, doctors without borders, hrw, amnesty, multiple uninvolved countries who have opposed US intervention before, hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple independent investigations, etc. ... indicating hundreds of uses of chemical weapons use since 2012 ... are all in cahoots to frame Syria, because 2 part time "inspectors" (one wasn't an actual inspector and the other never left home base because he didn't finish training) working on a single investigation at a single site, dispute the findings? Dore knobs are the Q of the "left".
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During a pandemic, when paralyzing the house would have the corporate Dems, Republicans, and corporate media, blaming you for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., and the majority of people in desperate financial need, may actually not be the right time to paralyze the house for a vote that's almost 100 votes short in the house alone. You could come out looking worse than Pelosi.
The progressive caucus is possibly one election away from becoming the majority of house Dems, when they could actually pick the speaker, and bring up whatever they want for a vote, whenever they want. Plus, bitch Pelosi says this is her last ride as speaker, so the speakership will be up for grabs anyway. You'll get a list of names of people who won't sign onto M4A when the bill is reintroduced in the new session. Work on converting them, or replacing them, over the next 2 years, exactly like you would have had to do after a failed vote anyway.
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@beastmasterx7091 Nothing you said changes the fact that a sales tax is a regressive tax, that would hurt the poorest people most. It would be a terrible way to try and totally fund the government. I think giant corporations and the super rich have proven, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that they'll do anything and everything to avoid paying their fair share in taxes. I'd totally ditch sales taxes, VATs, or anything of the sort, plus ditch corporate taxes and switch to making corporations pay progressive shares to the public to operate in that country and make money off that public. Something like ... small businesses that do $1m and under business get a pass, $1-10m business the public gets a 10% share in the company, $10-100m the public gets a 20% share, $100m-$1b the public gets a 30% share, $1-10b the public gets a 40% share, $10-100b the public gets a 50% share, $100+b the public gets a 60% share. Or, maybe scale it based on a business's percent of GDP so it works in any size economy. Kind of like how Norway has a majority share of its major oil company ... only do that with all businesses, scaling down the share based in the size of the business.
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@adamcramm There are tons of laws and regulations based on that philosophy. Even if the majority of the population isn't getting raped, but many are, we take away the individual's freedom to rape people ... or murder, assault, etc. The majority of people might not be getting food poisoning, but many are, so we take away a business' freedom to not wash, wear gloves, sell past expiration dates, etc. And on and on and on ... there are tons. Your slippery slope isn't as slippery as you think. It's a slow roll, that can be stopped wherever we want.
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@sullen2420 I understood, just fine, and replied that they'd lose whatever leverage they have, being in a minority. YOU, keep dodging my questions.
I don't give a crap, if you think it is, or isn't, their job. The entire argument that they have some little amount of leverage, entirely rests on them being in the majority party. So, is it smart for them to try and retain a majority, and retain any leverage they have? Or, is it smart to let Republicans win the majority, and lose any leverage they have?
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@dudeguy7347 Do you think something that can't have conscious thoughts, can't feel pain, can't form memories, is it exactly equivalent to something that can? Sperm are unthinking, unfeeling, living organisms, with the potential of becoming humans, if you don't interfere with them, so why are you okay with killing them with birth control?
The vast majority of the fertilized eggs (conception), used in IVF, fail to take, or aren't used. Do you consider that the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of "babies" per year?
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@whyamimrpink78 Hrrrmmm ... One guy convinces tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any other politicians, any judges, any lawyers, any law enforcement, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses ... anybody ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradict Fuehrer Trumpty Dumpty. He incites his cult into trying to overthrow the democratic process, and even got further than getting stuck at a beer hall. If you're at a rally marching with Nazi flag wavers, Confederate flag wavers, other white supremacist symbol wavers, a bunch of Tiki torch carrying anti-Semites, organized by white supremacists, with white supremacist speakers, defending a statue of a racist who was willing to kill and die to keep black people enslaved ... in what reality are you "very fine people"? How are you not a racist? How are you not a racist, thinking there were "very fine people" at a white supremacist rally?
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If the US had responded as well as S Korea, Vietnam, New Zealand, or Australia, their covid deaths per capita would translate into under 20k total US covid deaths. A mediocre response, like Canada, Germany, Norway, Denmark, or Finland, would translate into 400+k fewer US covid deaths. His pathetic response is responsible for 400-600k deaths.
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@kevin6293 Again, you're assigning racism to fascism.
"Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism." ~ Mussolini
The Marxian ideal is stateless, non authoritarian, democratic, socialism. The complete opposite is ultra-nationalistic, authoritarian, anti-democratic, anti-socialism (oligarchy, crony capitalism, corporatism), which is exactly how Mussolini describes fascism in more detail.
Fascists can take their nationalism to xenophobic levels, but fascism isn't necessarily racist. White nationalists don't think any minorities should count as citizens. Nazis took it to the extreme, and even considered Germanic people superior to other white people. Nazis and white nationalists tend to be fascists, but fascists don't have to be Nazis or white nationalists ... or black nationalists. But, even amongst the Nazi extreme, there were few Jewish, and other minority, Nazis. Even then, it wasn't impossible for non-Germanic people to be Nazis, or Nazi sympathizers.
The US has been riding the edge of fascism for some time. Basically, the only difference has been being somewhat undemocratic as opposed to being anti-democratic. So, even an authoritarian black cop can be pretty fascisty. Any black Trumpist, who supported overthrowing the democratic process to install a dictator, is most definitely a fascist.
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@Robert Carlton Which of JFK's 3 points do you think are false?
"But instead of holding out a helping hand of friendship to the desperate people of Cuba, nearly all our aid was in the form of weapons assistance - assistance, which merely strengthened the Batista dictatorship - assistance which completely failed to advance the economic welfare of the Cuban people - assistance, which enabled Castro and the Communists to encourage the growing belief that America was indifferent to Cuban aspirations for a decent life."
"Secondly, in a manner certain to antagonize the Cuban people, we used the influence of our Government to advance the interests of and increase the profits of the private American companies, which dominated the island's economy. At the beginning of 1959 United States companies owned about 40 percent of the Cuban sugar lands - almost all the cattle ranches - 90 percent of the mines and mineral concessions - 80 percent of the utilities - and practically all the oil industry - and supplied two-thirds of Cuba's imports."
"The third, and perhaps most disastrous of our failures, was the decision to give stature and support to one of the most bloody and repressive dictatorships in the long history of Latin American repression. Fulgencio Batista murdered 20,000 Cubans in seven years - a greater proportion of the Cuban population than the proportion of Americans who died in both World Wars, and he turned Democratic Cuba into a complete police state - destroying every individual liberty."
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@michaelarmijo4112 Do you grasp basic math? There are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives. It is absolutely impossible to pass a bill without votes from the most conservative Dems, like Manchin. On the flip side, there is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from, to the right of conservative Dems. If they can bring enough Republicans onto a bill, then they don't need progressive votes to pass the bill. Expecting even 100 progressives to be able to pass whatever they want, is nonsensical.
What about her voting record is it that you think is highly problematic?
When did she "promise" to remove Nancy? How is that even possible, when even the entire progressive caucus doesn't have enough votes, within the Dem caucus, to pick a different speaker candidate? Blocking the house speaker vote just paralyzes the house, until a speaker is elected. It doesn't change who the party puts forth as a candidate. The corporate Dem majority could keep picking Pelosi over and over and over, or someone even worse. All you'd be doing is paralyzing the house, indefinitely, rather than ousting the party speaker candidate.
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bleepehdeepdoop Agnosticism isn't actually compatible with beliefs, either way. But, that isn't to say I can't believe Dune is a work of fiction, or believe Spock is a fictional character, while having no belief about whether aliens actually exist, or not. Likewise, for the Bible, or Zeus, vs whether gods actually exist, or not.
"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe." ~ Thomas Huxley
If that sounds like you, then keep it simple and just call yourself an agnostic. If someone has a problem with that, then take the advice about debating the position, rather than the label.
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By every relevant measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@anticom6099 No, dimwit, the complaint lays out problems they have with both the books and with teacher's manuals. You definitely have reading comprehension problems. They even state clearly that they have a problem with the books, as well ...
"The classroom books and teacher manuals reveal both explicit and implicit Anti-American, Anti-White, and Anti-Mexican teaching."
They even state clearly that they're attacking history ... "historical mistakes".
Ummm, Christians are constantly wanting their morality to be law of the land, and taught. I've never considered them wanting abstinence taught in sex ed, or whatever, to be the same as them wanting to outright teach Christianity, though. Likewise, simply teaching that something was racist isn't teaching CRT.
Your propaganda rants are quite ironic.
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@anticom6099 No. I didn't say the books alone are the problem. I said they have a problem with the books. You're the one trying to pretend that they don't actually have a problem with the books, that it's only the books in combination with the teacher manuals that they have a problem with. It's you that's trying to make out like, if the teacher manuals weren't involved, they wouldn't have a problem with the books, when there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the books.
The fact they they include "Anti-Mexican" in their complaint, because one of the books also shows examples of racism directed towards Mexicans, is another indicator they have a problem with the books. It's also an indicator that they're dishonest, because they're arguing the examples of racism towards black Americans is instead Anti-White, not Anti-Black. Examples of racism directed towards Mexicans should likewise be Anti-White, rather than Anti-Mexican.
Anti-racism can only be Anti-White, if you're arguing white people are all racists. Is that what you're arguing? Is that what you're claiming the teachers' are saying? They don't teach that there were any white Americans involved in fighting against slavery, fighting to end segregation, or whatnot? That would be weird, if that were the case. But I highly doubt that is the case.
How the f*ck is being against government authoritarianism itself authoritarianism? Have antifa stormed the Capitol to try and overthrow the democratic process, and install themselves an unelected dictator, or something? You're basically arguing American revolutionists were themselves authoritarians, just by fighting against authoritarianism. That's moronic. You're turning much of history into "fascism".
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@anticom6099 Again, you're making up an argument for them. Their complaint takes issue with both books and manuals. You are completely inventing that they don't actually have a problem with the books. You're a dishonest hypocrite, creating your own propaganda.
Rofl. You're seriously arguing that teachers either don't teach how slavery or the civil rights ended, or they never mention the likes of Lincoln or JFK? Give me a break. One of the images they're complaining about is one of a black girl being protected by white bodyguards, ffs. You're spewing nonsense.
Yes, the founding fathers rioted, destroyed private property, attacked the police/military, got even angrier when those police/military shot violent protesters, and then outright declared war ... killing plenty of their own countrymen, and destroying a ton of their property. Are you completely brain-dead, or what?
What authoritarians? Cops that kill their own citizens at hundreds of times the rate of some other developed countries. In what reality is wanting cops to be less brutal, being more authoritarian? Again, they are not the ones trying to completely overthrow the democratic process to install themselves an unelected dictator.
I don't watch mainstream media. Your mental telepathy is as bad as your takes.
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@anticom6099 No. They clearly state that they have a problem with the books and the manuals. They have a problem with the books. They have a problem with the manuals. Take away the books, and there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the manuals. Take away the manuals, and there's zero indication they wouldn't still have a problem with the books. You're the one clearly inventing a position for them, straight from your imagination.
Rofl, did you go to PragerU, where they teach John Brown and Lincoln were bad guys, or something? Oh, and now you've gone and protected your own unsupported claim with another unsupported claim. There seem to be plenty of online lesson plans, and curriculum outlines, about abolitionists, Lincoln, and the Civil War. I think it's you, who should be the one showing the some teachers are teaching that emancipation came about with zero white people involved.
Umm, it was a British colony, and they were British subjects, at the time, dimwit. They were fighting against their own Empire's police/military and their own government (including attacking people in positions filled by their own neighbors), and the Loyalists most definitely lived on the same land they did.
You're nothing but projection, clearly being the one inventing a position for the complaining "moms", and clearly being the one reinventing history.
How is a system that has police killing citens at 50x the rate of the UK, 150x the rate of Japan, an immeasurable hundreds of times more than the rate of Denmark, not authoritarian? US citizens are only killing each other at 4-5x the rate of those countries, while the police are killing citizens at 50-hundreds times more than they are. How is imprisoning more of the population than any other country in the world, including all the dictatorships, not authoritarian? Again ... when was it antifa stormed the Capitol to try and install their leader as an unelected dictator?
Rofl. I like the way you say "over our republic". The R in USSR stands for Republics. The R in PRC stands for Republic. The important part is the US being a representative democracy, not being a republic. Basically every country that's not a monarchy is a republic. It's moron Republicans who constantly argue for a more undemocratic society, now even arguing for a completely anti-democratic society.
Right wing loons: Communism/socialism never succeeds!
Also right wing loons: China is killing us economically!
Give it a rest, dimwit. If you think you sound any different than a million other right wing nutters, you're wrong. And, you're proving to be just as ignorant as the rest of them, as well.
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@anticom6099 Nope. What is explicitly stated is that they have a problem with books and manuals. You have only provided evidence that you have severe reading comprehension problems and a vivid imagination.
Nothing you blathered changes the absolute fact that they were British subjects, living in a British colony ... a colony, btw, that had recently needed protection during the French-Indian War. They were fighting against their own King, not someone else's King. They were fighting against their own parliament, not someone else's. They were fighting their own police/military, not someone else's. Their neighbors were amongst those in appointed positions. Their neighbors were the Loyalists. There are loyalists whose ancestry traces to the Mayflower, and even before the Mayflower. You saying their was a clear difference is just you providing more evidence that you are a complete ignoramus.
Oh geez, now you're bringing out the evidence that you're an absolute loon. So, you believe that the most racist states ... where the majority voted against abolitionists and voted for slavery, for decades, where the majority voted for secessionists, where the majority was willing to kill and die for the "right" to own and abuse other human beings (which is what their new constitution was largely about) ... states where the majority (from both parties) then continued to vote for Jim Crow and segregationists for another hundred years, states where folks were perfectly fine with lynchings and the KKK ... just magically up and became the least racist voters, now representing the least racist states, voting for the least racist party, almost overnight. Rofl!
The fact that all the Republicans, in those states, also voted against Civil Rights, indicated Republicans were just as racist, in those states. The fact that the Democrat president created the bill ... the fact that the majority of Democrats passed the bill ... didn't, at all, push all those racists in those more racist states to start simply voting for the racist Republican candidates instead of the racist Democrat candidates, from their racist states? Nope, they just magically stopped being racists, according to lunatic right wingers, like you. And the vast majority of the millions of black Americans ... who left those more racist states during the great migration, and moved to those less racist states, and started voting for those Northern Democrats (which represented the majority of Democrats that voted for Civil Rights, just like Northern Republicans did), and have become a significant percentage of Democrat representatives ... must be completely clueless as to which party is more racist. By your own standards, you've provided evidence you're a racist, by portraying black Americans as violent and stupid.
Red states, where it tends to be easier to get a gun, actually tend to have both higher firearm mortality rates and higher homicide rates. The per capita gun violence capital of the US is St Louis Missouri, not Chicago. Chicago, the place right wingers keep blathering about, isn't even top 10. Don't pretend like you care if people shoot each other, as you're providing them the environment it's easiest to get a gun in.
US civilians are killing each other at 4-5x the rate of those countries, while the police are killing civilians at over 50x the rate of those countries. That's just a fact. US police are the most violent gang on the streets.
Rofl!! Aaaaand, now you've provided evidence you're a cultists. There is zero evidence the election was rigged, you nutbar. Did you ask Santa for a JFK Jr, for Christmas? No. Trying to save lives is not the dictionary definition of "fascism". And, yes, it saves lives. Australia's covid death rate would translate into about 26k total US covid deaths, instead of 826k. 75-90% of those dying are unvaccinated. The hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated is 89x that of the vaccinated. Smoking has been pretty much banned indoors everywhere. Smokers have to pay higher insurance rates. Smokers have to pay extra taxes. Every single state already has vaccine mandates for public school kids. The federal government already has vaccine mandates for the military and immigrants. That's the kind of thing you're whining and crying about. Literally, NOT the definition of fascism, but instead health and safety measures, the likes of which have been around for over a century. At this rate, there will be about a million fewer Republican voters, by 2024, due purely to stupidity.
Dumpty was doing business in China, he leases property to the bank of China, he sold Ivanka's condo to a Chinese lobbyist ... Mitch is married into a family that runs a Chinese company, that buys government made boats, that gets government loans, and that has another daughter on the board at the bank of China ... Republicans are kissing plenty of China ass. Dumpty did no real damage to China, but he did do some significant damage to American farmers. Good thing Trump was still able to have wealth redistributed to those according to their need, from those according to their ability, and help those farmers out, considering it's such a terrible philosophy, that will soon fail.
Yes, I did rebut your plainly bullshit statement by calling it bullshit. That's the only rebuttal a bullshit strawman deserves. Just the fact that you think overemphasizing anti-racism could possibly be the "most racist", when you've got states that still have Confederate "Heroes" Days, when you've got hate crimes rising, when you've got unite the right rallies with people marching with Confederate and Nazi flags, anti-Semitic tiki torch marchers, a "leader" telling citizens (even ones born in the US) to go back where they came from, a "leader" that likes to reminisce about the good ol' civil rights era when you could beat protesters, when you've got PragerU making out like slavery was good, when you've got Tucker peddling replacement propaganda, etc., etc., etc.
You: But, but, but ... that teacher pointed out there was racism one too many times! They are the most racist!!!!!!!!!
F*ck off, with that bullshit.
You don't know what "evidence" means. The only evidence you've provided is evidence that you're an ignorant, idiotic, lunatic, death cultist, that's living in some alternate reality.
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@nadrile You say an ad hominem has a definition, which is correct, but then you "characterize" it as an ad hominem, by not sticking to the definition.
Simply saying someone is stupid, for example, isn't an ad hominem, and could be a perfectly justifiable conclusion. If someone is so ridiculously wrong about something, the conclusion that they're stupid would follow.
Saying someone is stupid, therefore they must be wrong, is an ad hominem, because the conclusion, that they're wrong, doesn't follow. Stupid people can sometimes be right about things.
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And if you stand up and fight, the guy beside you might stand up and fight ... but he might not, depends on what you're fighting ... but, if he does stand up and fight, then the lady beside him might stand up and fight ... but, she might not ... likely not, because women tend to do less random stupid shit, like fighting ... but, at minimum, you'll be fighting ... what, we don't know, but it will be a royally grand fight!
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@turtlex5994 Most definitely. One of the Empire's last colonialist endeavors. Some of the early 20th century Zionists thought they were to become a member state within the Empire. The whole thing reminds me of how the Puritans had been persecuted and exiled, were very much a people without a real home, but even though Britain didn't want them in the homeland, used them to colonize North America. Once there, the Puritans turned around and persecuted everyone around them, especially the natives, who they also ethnically cleansed and genocided. And then the colonialists rebelled. The Mandate timeline was just more condensed, before the colonialist rebellion occurred. From 1948 to now, though, is about the same amount of time to the push of the manifest destiny concept, post US independence.
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Juan Mendoza Rofl. Libertarians aren't, at all, left, dumb dumb. They're less authoritarian, but about as far economically right as you can get. And an insult =/= an ad hominem.
As for the point, where in Texas are those people moving to? If they're moving due to politics, but move to Texas' blue areas, and vote blue, then there's no real political point. Also, Texas has higher overall state and local taxes, than California, due to higher property taxes, so he's just lying.
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@daniel-bg5nq What are you talking about, "isn't required"? They're on a computer, using the internet, showing things from the internet, and talking about those things, all the time, aren't they? They have the ability to put Tim in a window, and show another window of internet videos, or whatnot. How they can't figure out how to put a guest in a seperate zoom window, I have no clue. The only answer is that they're inept, or full of shit.
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@Fat Cat Rofl. That was a long winded way of shitting on yourself. As I've repeated, I'm using your own "logic", that allows you to claim I hate people I never said I hated, or that I'm okay with actions I never said I was okay with. I pointed at where everything started, and you unloaded with bullshit accusations. You're the one ignoring how the escalation built up, and are pointing at a single bad guy, like a child.
According to your own "logic", you are perfectly okay with Israel escalating from ethnic cleansing, to assault and occupying a holy site, you are perfectly okay with Israel escalating tensions by ignoring Hamas' warning to leave, you are perfectly okay with Israel's escalated response to rocket fire, and you are perfectly okay with them killing Palestinian civilians, because ... again according to your own "logic" ... you hate Palestinians.
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@whyamimrpink78 A surge in demand can cause inflation, which happens when you reopen. Your argument against Biden is incoherent, if you actually wanted Trump to provide more covid relief, as well. The house had already passed two different HEROES Acts. All the senate had to do was vote either through. McConnell didn't even allow a vote on either.
You're spewing nonsense. Countries with much better pandemic responses also tended to have better economies, and it wasn't because they did nothing and simply stayed open no matter what. Almost all of the best response countries quickly had very high testing rates (tests per confirmed case), testing 50+ people pcc. The mediocre response countries, were testing 15+ people pcc. The US, on the other hand, had a pathetic covid testing rate, testing about 5 people pcc, for months, that Trump did nothing about. The US had pathetic mask use, encouraged by Trump. If things were getting out of control, in some areas, and more severe measures were taken, Trump encouraged defying them. Nothing you blathered about states, or your politician anecdotes, was an actual argument that they had better economies or better health responses. Just a big nothingburger.
Nope. There's no evidence ows actually sped up the development of vaccines. Again, the first one out of the gate had nothing to do with ows, and others that had nothing to do with ows were coming out at similar times to those that did. At most ows was about ordering enough supply and distributing it. Trump didn't order as much as he could, didn't leave enough of a supply, and wasn't prepared to distribute as much as he possibly could.
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real progressive Fuck you're a moron. The Ottoman Empire welcomed hundreds of thousands of Jews fleeing Christian Spain, where they lived for hundreds of years. They allowed for controlled Zionism to start. They decriminalized homosexuality, when many Christian countries still considered it a crime or mental illness. They weren't any more aggressive than any of the other empires of the times ... made treaties with Christian nations ... allied with Christian nations.
No, the West didn't create ultra-conservative Wahhabism, but they did take that fairly liberal Ottoman Empire, carved it up, and the UK handed a bunch of pieces to ultra-conservative Wahhabi dictators. As the UK phased out, the US phased in. France left Syria with a democratically elected government. When it voted against an oil pipeline, the US backed a coup. Iran's democratically elected PM was taking power away from the puppet Shah and was going to nationalize Iran's oil. The US backed a coup. In Iraq, a popular revolutionary leader had overthrown their puppet dictator, and was going to nationalize Iraq's oil. The US backed a coup. In Afghanistan, communists overthrew their puppet dictator, and wanted to expand education and women's rights to the poor. The US trained and armed Jihadists to take them out.
So ... put ultra-conservatives in power, supported them economically and militarily as they spread their Wahhabism around, took out more liberal Muslims, helped suppress more liberal Muslims, etc., and considering the US trained the extremists who attacked them, yes they've caused some extremism, dumb dumb.
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@cqtaylor Some might argue that, if the US hadn't entered WWI, there might not have been a WWII, because stalemate negotiations wouldn't have as hard on Germany, which played a big part in the rise of Hitler. So, that might cancel out the WWII things they were "needed" for.
The US has also caused more problems in, and around, Israel, and the greater ME, than it has solved. Oooo, a treaty ... but they helped overthrow multiple democracies, as well as committimg and supporting many war crimes in the area.
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@Badatallthis Stuff Possibly paralyzing the house, during a pandemic ... delaying new covid relief, new unemployment extensions, new vaccine funding, etc. ... all for a piece of performance art, could have turned plenty of people off of progressives, and their ideas. It was actually a stupid time to suggest possibly doing that rather the best time.
You lot have proven that ftv was sham. Progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting, it actually passed the house and also got a round of senate voting. Suddenly, getting a vote on an important progressive policy is meaningless to Dore knobs. Suddenly, getting a list of no voters is meaningless to Dore knobs. The pathetic good for nothing, hypocrites, just carry on bitching about, and slandering, those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it.
Do you idiots even know that Pelosi introduced the M4A bill last session? It died in committees (that Dore doesn't think are important), where 90% of bills die. She has already reintroduced the bill this session. Why aren't you dolts pressuring and marching against committee members, to get them to take up the bill? Why are you wasting your time slandering and marching against progressives who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime?
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@Badatallthis Stuff You're rewriting history. Most of the women's suffrage movement came in the decades preceding the first federal vote. They had already spent decades protesting, and numerous states had already adopted women's voting rights.
They did not hold the first federal vote for purely performance. They weren't sure how everyone would vote, because the parties weren't as partisan back then. Even the first vote had majority support. The problem was that it was a constitutional amendment and needed supermajority support. They, literally, held off on reintroducing the bill the next session, because they saw absolutely no point in having a purely performance art vote.
They thought they had the second vote, which did have supermajority in the house, but lost supermajority in the senate by only 2 votes.
The third vote passed.
That is not, at all, f*cking equivalent to being 100+ votes short in the house alone, having an even lower percentage of senate support, plus a president who said they'd veto it.
You Dore knobs have no clue what you're talking about.
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@Jasondirt The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The 4 year old Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years and has helped replace a few more corporate Dems. Progressives are making steady progress and are close to being able to pick the party speaker candidate. If still the majority party, that also means picking which bills to introduce, picking committee members, etc.
But, hey, sounds like a great time to start from scratch, with zero seats, zero bills introduced, zero amendments added, and zero votes on even a single bill, for the next 50 years.
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@nerodia Denmark, for example, has a 35% public sector workforce. On top of that, they have a 70+% unionized workforce, which isn't ownership, but does give more power to workers, to determine what they're worth. On top of that, they have multiple socialized sectors of the economy (healthcare, education through college, nationalized wind power, etc.). Like I said, "social democracies" seem to have paused around centrism, which isn't exactly just a kind of "capitalism". It's a fairly even mix of both capitalism and socialism.
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@UCy9d4PdVUo2g4EwmwgFwfcg Buddy, I'm a Canadian. Our politics are almost entirely left of US politics and, personally, I almost can't score any further left, or further libertarian, on a political compass test. Economically, most US Democrats are to the right of our Conservative party. I think both the US parties suck ass, and I struggle with not believing that the US is a majority of morons, for not voting Bernie, and for not joining the rest of the developed world. I also understand the benefit of having a viable third party (NDP, which I vote for) and, under normal circumstances, might support not voting Democrat, letting an average Republican be president, let the Democrat party fall apart, and pushing for a third party to rise up.
Having said that, it's not normal times. US Republicans are outright cookoo for cocopuffs insane. They're letting hundreds of thousands of people die, and you've got 70m people who look like they'd be willing to close the door on democracy, and check the final box for outright fascism, just to keep Trumpty Dumpty in office. That's not the time to be bashing the most progressive people you've got. Whether you're a full blown USSR style communist, an underground anarchist, or a US crony capitalist (all totally not in the same tribe) you team up and take out the damn fucking fascists ... pronto. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, and the fucking psychos should be your biggest enemy. Have your cold war with the corporate Dems later, or on the side, but stay focused on who the biggest threat is. Bannon is calling for heads. Jones is calling for a revolution. Oath keepers are saying they're armed and ready, when Trump gives the word. Proud Boys are standing by. But, hey, let's take this time to bash AOC and make baseless bullshit claims that progressives are just there for appearances, as if the corporate Dems actually wanted progressives to win instead of fighting them tooth and nail. That's getting into some conspiracy crap and, whatever the case, they should be the last people on your hit list.
That's if you actually want to move the US left, which I'm no longer sure Jimmy does. I stopped watching because Jimmy was seeming more and more like a Sam Harris type, claiming to be more liberal than the liberals he was constantly bashing, while spouting all kinds of crap far right nutters would lap up. And, no, the odd swing at a Republican, every blue moon, doesn't balance things out.
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Netanyahu is the biggest Hamas supporter, and Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through.
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@2727rogers There is only one possible solution to passing M4A, and that is to convert or replace enough members of congress to pass the bill. AOC, Justice Dems, a Bernie PAC, have been working on doing just that. They added a few more M4A yes votes to congress in the last election. AOC and Bernie were campaigning to add one more M4A yes vote, in Nina Turner, while Jimmy opposed adding one more.
There's already a list of members of congress that won't sign onto the bill. Go protest them.
Pelosi actually introduced the M4A bill last session, where it died in committees that didn't do anything with it. It has already been reintroduced, and is in committees again. Look who is on the committees and go protest them to take up the bill.
Endlessly bitching about, and slandering, the most progressive members of congress, M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime, is moronic and insane.
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@joeb134 Well, Sam Harris has argued that, so some people do. Plus, that's the impression programmers have tried to give. The UN demonstration, for example, had the AI saying it "believed", was "very happy", etc. You should definitely worry about a programmer who has its AI say it could rule the world better. But hey, lets instead worry about a wonky image creator. And, don't worry about the extra arms, legs, or digits, they sometimes produce ... just that they had a skin tone issue.
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@t-swizzle8102 Rofl! Do you know what a false equivalency is?
The Tea Party was backed by leading Republican donors, like the Koch brothers, who were also pressuring Republican members of congress to move further right. Are there any major Democratic donors pressuring Democrats to move left? No?
Republicans have a natural predisposition to moving right, anyway. Do corporate Dems have a natural predisposition to moving left? No?
With that pressure on congress members Tea Party numbers were regularly increasing, as members converted. Are corporate Dems converting to being progressives? No?
And, the only thing that gave Tea Party members the power to block any bills, was the other Republicans' unwillingness to work with Democrats, instead. All they had to do was make some concessions to Democrats, bring enough Democrats on board, and pass the bill without needing Tea Party votes. Do corporate Dems have a complete unwillingness to work with Republicans? No?
There's no equivalence to the Tea Party's situation.
It's math, dimwit. There are zero extra votes to the left of progressives. It is absolutely impossible to pass a bill without Manchin. On the other end, there is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from. Bring one Republican on board, and it's entirely possible to pass a bill without Bernie. Bring enough house Republicans on board and it's entirely possible to pass a bill without the squad. If corporate Dems are willing to work with Republicans, a stand off will more likely end up pushing a bill further right, not left.
Empty virtue signalling is going on and on, for a f*cking year about a missed chance to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, ffs. A performance art vote would get you no closer to getting M4A. Fighting to increase numbers in congress actually does move you closer to being able to pass the bill. You dimwitted Dore knobs have things completely backwards. Dore is sitting in his $2m garage and not giving a shit if anyone ever gets healthcare. That's why he doesn't care if the country goes outright backwards, and 10m of the poorest Americans are thrown off of Medicaid expansion. That's why he doesn't care if you sit on the sidelines for the next century. That's what he doesn't care, when he helps another grifter campaign against Bernie. That's why he didn't care, when he abandoned Nina. He's a grifter, dimwit. His increasing right wing audience should have clued you in. Or, maybe you're one of them, just pretending.
You're more upset at Democrats, that you only got $1400, than you are at Republicans, every one of which voted against giving you anything? $1400 and $0, is totally samesies, to you? No difference? Just how dumb are you? Plus the unemployment extension they all voted against. Plus the eviction moratorium they all voted against. Plus repeatedly extending the freeze on student loan payments and interest (How are you still having to make student loan payments?), that they're all opposed to. Rescinding numerous Trump executive orders is totally samesies as Trump signing those orders. Signing a.number of new beneficial executive orders is totally samesies as not signing those orders. A near end to drone strikes is totally samesies as Trump dropping more bombs than Obama. Oh, oh, but I'm a brain dead Dore knob ... look at this thing that hasn't changed ... they're totally samesies!!!
You're obviously the one that doesn't care, dimwit, if you have the luxury to let Republicans, and corporate Dems, rule for decades to come. Whatever you think of current progressives, running as a Dem is clearly the more effective way for a progressive to win a seat in congress, and remove a corporate Dem.
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Cesiah Gamez How is that proof, if it could just be some weird combination of events? Falling out of a tree isn't miraculous. Landing in a strange way, that affects you physically, isn't miraculous.
I know a guy who was play wrestling with his brother, tripped over a tree root, landed funny, and was paralyzed for life. Should we thank God for that "miracle", as well?
Or, maybe, I should consider my friend evil. I mean, obviously, if he was pure of heart, God would make his wheelchair tip over and have everything pop back into place.
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Cesiah Gamez Believe what you want, but don't use words like "proof" or "evidence", for that. It could just be a strange coincidence.
If a God is "showing his glory and power" by causing massive accidents, where dozens die, and then not letting one person die, so everyone will praise him for saving that one person, that's kind of crazy.
If he's starving millions of children in the world, just to teach you to be thankful for your food, that's crazy.
If he's killing millions through war, disease, crime, etc., just to teach you to be thankful for things, that's crazy.
And, if he's giving little girls diseases, and tossing them out of trees, just to teach you about his glory and power, that's crazy.
Learn your lessons already, so he can stop.
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People use words differently.
Narrow definition "atheism" = the belief that gods don't exist. That is the way the word was originally constructed, athe(os)-ism. That was, by far, the most common definition, when Huxley came up with "agnosticism". It is still the most common definition outside atheist circles.
Huxley's 19th century "agnosticism":
"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe."
George H Smith promoting using the less common broad/weak/negative definition of atheism, in the 1960s:
"Critical atheism presents itself in various forms. It is often expressed by the statement, “I do not
believe in the existence of a god or supernatural being.” This profession of non-belief often derives
from the failure of theism to provide sufficient evidence in its favor. Faced with a lack of evidence,
this explicit atheist sees no reason whatsoever for believing in a supernatural being."
George, on narrow/strong/positive atheism:
"Critical atheism also assumes stronger forms, such as, “God does not exist” or, “The existence of
a god is impossible.” These assertions are usually made after a particular concept of god, such as
the God of Christianity, is judged to be absurd or contradictory. Just as we are entitled to say that a
“square-circle” does not and cannot possibly exist, so we are entitled to say that the concept of god,
if it entails a contradiction, does not and cannot possibly exist."
If the more popular narrow definition is used:
"Notice that agnosticism emerges as a third alternative only if atheism is narrowly defined as the
denial of theism."
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What's more pathetic than theists who don't know the elaborate and lengthy histories of their chosen religions? A-theists who don't know the history of two damn words. They also don't seem to know that they're actually a minority of people who use the word that way. Even on surveys, more non-theists choose "nothing" or "agnostic" than choose "atheists. Most of the people you're claiming as a-theists aren't using the word that way, at least not to self-identify with.
The word was put together atheos + ist, someone who believes gods do not exist, some 100 years before there even was a word "theist". There was no word "theist" to attach a prefix to.
For any claim:X, you can believe it’s true, believe it’s false, or have no belief either way.
Person A: belief X is true, no belief X is false
Person B: no belief X is true, no belief X is false
Person C: no belief X is true, belief X is false
Considering B and C the same thing, just because they share "no belief X is true", makes as much sense as considering asexuals and homosexuals the same thing.
Here's a Sesame Street game...
Which one of these things, is not like the others, which one of these things just doesn't belong?
Polytheist = someone who believes in many gods
Polytheist =/= many theists
Pantheist = someone who believes everything is god
Pantheist =/= everything is a theist
Monotheist = someone who believes in a single god
Monotheist =/= a single theist
Zootheist = someone who believes an animal is godlike
Zootheist =/= an animal theist
Amoralist = someone who adheres to the doctrine that there are no morals
Amoralist =/= not a moralist
Abiogenist = someone who believes in abiogenesis
Abiogenist =/= not a biogenist
Atonalist = someone who creates atonal music
Atonalist =/= not a tonalist
Athe-ist = someone who believes no gods exist
Athe-ist =/= not a theist
A-theist =/= someone who believes no gods exist
A-theist = not a theist
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Ryan Marshall I quoted the exact man who defined agnosticism as a philosophy, dumbass.
"That which Agnostics deny and repudiate, as immoral, is the contrary doctrine, that there are propositions which men ought to believe, without logically satisfactory evidence; and that reprobation ought to attach to the profession of disbelief in such inadequately supported propositions."
In what reality is considering it "immoral" to form beliefs about objective truth claims with no objective evidence, compatible with forming beliefs with no objective evidence? Or, do you also have a reading comprehension problem?
belief:
“I say, strive earnestly to learn something, not only of the results, but of the methods of science, and then apply those methods to all statements which offer themselves for your belief. If they will not stand that test, they are nought, let them come with what authority they may.”
or believes:
"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe."
believe:
"I trust that I have now made amends for any ambiguity, or want of fulness, in my previous exposition of that which I hold to be the essence of the Agnostic doctrine. Henceforward, I might hope to hear no more of the assertion that we are necessarily Materialists, Idealists, Atheists, Theists, or any other ists, if experience had led me to think that the proved falsity of a statement was any guarantee against its repetition. And those who appreciate the nature of our position will see, at once, that when Ecclesiasticism declares that we ought to believe this, that, and the other, and are very wicked if we don't, it is impossible for us to give any answer but this: We have not the slightest objection to believe anything you like, if you will give us good grounds for belief; but, if you cannot, we must respectfully refuse, even if that refusal should wreck morality and insure our own damnation several times over. We are quite content to leave that to the decision of the future. The course of the past has impressed us with the firm conviction that no good ever comes of falsehood, and we feel warranted in refusing even to experiment in that direction."
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All the laws were already there.
3 Subsection 318(4) currently:
(4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, or mental or physical disability.
C-16 amendment:
(4) In this section, identifiable group means any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, national or ethnic origin, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, or mental or physical disability.
4 Subparagraph 718.2(a)(i) currently:
(i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or any other similar factor,
C-16 amendment:
(i) evidence that the offence was motivated by bias, prejudice or hate based on race, national or ethnic origin, language, colour, religion, sex, age, mental or physical disability, sexual orientation, or gender identity or expression, or on any other similar factor,
1 Section 2 of the Canadian Human Rights Act currently:
2 The purpose of this Act is to extend the laws in Canada to give effect, within the purview of matters coming within the legislative authority of Parliament, to the principle that all individuals should have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs accommodated, consistent with their duties and obligations as members of society, without being hindered in or prevented from doing so by discriminatory practices based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability or conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.
C-16 amendment:
2 The purpose of this Act is to extend the laws in Canada to give effect, within the purview of matters coming within the legislative authority of Parliament, to the principle that all individuals should have an opportunity equal with other individuals to make for themselves the lives that they are able and wish to have and to have their needs accommodated, consistent with their duties and obligations as members of society, without being hindered in or prevented from doing so by discriminatory practices based on race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, disability or conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.
2 Subsection 3(1) of the Act currently:
3 (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.
C-16 amendment:
3 (1) For all purposes of this Act, the prohibited grounds of discrimination are race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.
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@-NoneOfYourBusiness Dore knobs have proved that ftv was pure bullshit, and that they weren't actually going to do anything with a list of no voters. The $15 got a vote, and all they've done is kept whining about those who voted for it, rather than doing anything about those who voted against it. Just keep trashing those who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime.
When the UN, UN inspectors taken from around the world, NGOs like doctors without borders, amnesty, HRW, independent investigators from various countries, hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare witnesses, and various human rights legal groups representing victims, have hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use, since 2013, and you try to portray a big conspiracy based on two "inspectors" (one wasn't an official inspector, and one never left the base because they didn't finish training) that were involved in a single inspection at a single site, but weren't involved in the last 7 months of the investigation ... all to defend Syria, along with Russia ... then what's the better answer? Are Dore and Aaron just stupid?
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@helluvastart Like I said, according to himself.
"It's thought that science can help us get what we value, but it can never tell us what we ought to value."
So, if we pick our own subjective definition of "well being", like Sam does, then science can help us achieve that goal. End of "thesis". He never actually makes it beyond what he says is already a given.
His "analogies" are moronic.
Take his chess "analogy". Rules of chess are analogous to laws, not morality. To get rules for a game, first you have to subjectively decide to make them up and then subjectivity decide to play that game. There's no science telling you that "you ought to play chess". Even if you do subjectively choose to play, there's nothing saying it's objectively wrong to lose, if you want to say lose to your child, or something.
His "healthy" and "unhealthy" "analogy" is equally moronic. Those terms don't include oughts. Eating Big Macs may be "unhealthy", but so what? That only matters if I subjectively care about being healthy. Skydiving may be "unhealthy", because it increases your chance of dying but, again, so what? People enjoy skydiving. Comparing terms that don't include oughts to terms that do (moral: how you ought to behave; immoral: how you ought not behave) is completely idiotic.
Harris is a moron.
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@iancuninghame9163 Morons across the internet, who think they're smarter than climate scientists, and pull shit out of their ass, like "the climate cycles every tens of thousands of years", as if scientists across the world haven't already factored that in, and thinking they've debunked climate science, isn't, at all, science. Their opinions aren't needed to determine the actual science, which means eliminating their opinions isn't, at all, "anti-science".
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NEAR TERM EXTINCTION - HUMAN There is already a pretty clear list of who hasn't signed on for M4A. AOC just used her platform and PAC to help get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress, going against DCCC backed corporate Dems, exactly what you'll still have to do after a failed vote. Jimmy rewards doing the exact thing that's needed to actually get M4A passed, with calling her a "fake", "shill", and "wimp". To actually pass it, you need to replace about 100 people in the house and senate. If Jimmy has 100 new candidates in his back pocket, he should have run them in the election that just happened. I'm sure AOC would have done what she could to help them get elected too.
Yeah, paralyzing the house, if you don't get your way, isn't really politics 101. There hasn't been multiple speaker votes in about a hundred years. Resorting to that, during a pandemic, could backfire and be used to make you look bad.
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@thehappyclam3942 Hitler was backed by leading German industrialists. He promised his backers that he wouldn't be redistributing wealth. Nazis allied with other far right parties, to form the Harzburg Front. They literally killed off any prominent left leaning members, on the Night of the Long Knives. They went after communists, socialists, and unionists, first, for "illegal socialist activity". Hitler blamed Jews for creating socialism, because Marx was of Jewish descent. He blamed the Communist Party for the Reichstag fire, claimed they were "terrorists", outlawed them, and rounded them up.
Mussolini denied the class struggle, that is the very foundation of socialism/communism. He promoted accepting your lot in life, and just working hard, for the betterment of the nation, in an "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country", kind of way. The Nazis were a little more, "For God and country!" ... People simply working together, towards a goal, doesn't equate to communism/socialism.
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@thehappyclam3942 @thehappyclam3942 @thehappyclam3942 YouTube not liking some word here ...
@thehappyclam3942 Htler was backed by leading Grman industrialists. He promised his backers that he wouldn't be redistributing wealth. Nzis allied with other far right parties, to form the Harzburg Front. They literally klled off any prominent left leaning members, on the Night of the Long Knives. They went after cmmunists, scialists, and unionists, first, for "illegal scialist activity". Htler blamed Jws for creating scialism, because Mrx was of Jwish descent. He blamed the Cmmunist Party for the Reichstag fire, claimed they were "trrorists", outlawed them, and rounded them up.
Mssolini denied the class struggle, that is the very foundation of scialism/cmmunism. He promoted accepting your lot in life, and just working hard, for the betterment of the nation, in an "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country", kind of way. People simply working together, towards a goal, doesn't equate to cmmunism/scialism.
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@David-mr4gr The organizers are yellow vesters, wexiters, Unite We Roll members who formerly harrased native protesters and Unifor strikers, People's Party loons, racists, bigots, etc. They're spoiled brats that are upset they live in a country that's only about a third conservative, even less outright looney right. Not to mention a looney apocalypse preacher, that thinks opposing covid measures will bring about the end of times.
The PPC leader is openly anti-vax and unvaccinated. No clue why you're so sure most of those "truckers" are vaccinated, when some of the organizers ran as PPC candidates, and the preacher and others have been part of anti-mask and anti-vax groups, all along.
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@5thElement0560 This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Making out like nothing was going on, prior to Oct 7, is moronic. If Israel had cared about its civilians, then they wouldn't have done any of that, right? Right?
Also, the IDF has its largest base in a shopping mall, cowardly using civilians as human shields. The IDF has over 400k militants (reservists) hiding amongst its civilians, cowardly using them as human shields, maybe even at a festival.
Be careful justifying killing civilians, because it can work both ways, and you might justify something you don't want to.
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Judge Parker If you think the parties haven't changed, then you're simply brain dead. Republicans have given a home to extreme anti-socialist McCarthy types, religious extremists, racists (the Nazi and Confederate flag wavers and Tiki torch carriers show up at "Unite the Right" rallies and Trump insurrections), religious extremists, Reaganomics and neocons, gun fanatics, Tea Party nutters, the Trump cult, and now Qanoners. It has become a party of lunatics.
Parties didn't used to vote along party lines. Sure, 38% of Dems in congress voted against the Civil Rights Act, but so did 20% of Reps. If you're going to use the minority of congressional Dems to make out like they were a racist party (ignoring that they introduced the bill), that "logic" should apply to Reps, as well, making them both racist parties, at the time. Black voters, themselves, have almost entirely migrated to the Dem party, since then. What ... are the vast majority of black Americans racist against themselves? Do you think the vast majority of black Americans can't recognize which party does, and doesn't, give a home to racists?
Republicans just got done letting Trump (the government) convince tens of millions of them not to believe any media, any politicians, any judges, any lawyers, any election officials, any intelligence agencies, any police, any military, any doctors, any nurses, any scientists ... anybody ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradicted Supreme Leader Trumpty Dumpty. Republicans aren't like the founders, who protested and rioted against authority and taxes that specifically funded the police/military. They are the authority, who back the police/military, and instead chose to fight against democracy to keep an unelected ruler in power. Republicans are the good loyalists to authority.
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Jambi Love Take a country, like S Korea, who flattened their curve quickly. They quickly mass produced masks, and trace tested at a rate of 50+ people per confirmed case. The US, on the other hand, let themselves have a mask shortage, and tested at a pathetic rate of 5 people per confirmed case, for months, only recently getting that rate up to a still pathetic 10 people per confirmed case. The US hasn't tested at a rate fast enough to get ahead of the virus spread. New Zealand, and Australia, also used 50+ testing rates, and flattened their curves quickly. The US is playing behind the curve, and might be too far gone to catch up, due to incompetence.
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@fubarace1027 Talk about bullshit. Some racists in X doesn't equate to being just as racist as Y, if there has far more racists in Y. It's more and less. Trying to make out like there was the same percentage of racists in states where the majority of voters voted for abolitionists as states where the majority of voters voted for anti-abolitionists, is just moronic. The same goes for voting for anti-segregationists vs voting for segregationists ... which only ended about 50 years ago. There are still black Americans alive who lived under it, and still white Americans who voted for it. Trying to make it all sound like some ancient history is also bullshit. The southern strategy is also documented, by Republicans themselves.
What "history" are you preserving? The statues were put up decades after the fact, by a group of racist Southern women. Either you're honoring those willing to kill and die for the "right" to enslave others, or you're honoring the work of a bunch of racist women, that were largely a sister group to the KKK. There's zero evidence that having no statues of Nazis led to Nazis being erased from history. There's zero evidence that ripping down a statue of Saddam erased him from history. It was simply the act of ripping down a monument to an asshole.
If there so much less racism than 50 years ago, why do they still need stupid shit like this explained to them? In 2021, why the hell are there still Confederate Memorial Days, even called Confederate Heroes Day, in some Southern states? They're either more racist or more stupid.
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@2727rogers Anyone who voted Republican, because Democrats let them down, sure as hell didn't have M4A as a priority. And it wouldn't be enough to add significantly more progressive seats. Plenty came back, or came out of the non voter woodwork, to vote psycho Dumpty out of office, to get the current seating, which is what I used as my example.
Yeah, the senate shouldn't exist, and the 1930s bill that froze the number of house seats also froze the number of electorals, which has made the electoral college increasingly disproportionate, all of which benefits the right, already giving them more power than they deserve. Drastically splitting the votes, while they remain united and have those added benefits (as well as gerrymandering), would be political suicide.
Canada also shouldn't have a senate, btw. It's like still having an unelected house of lords.
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@ChollieD Hey, there were a few black slave owners, I guess enslaving black people isn't racist. Hey, there were a few Jews who joined the Nazis, I guess tossing Jews into ovens isn't racist. Hey, some natives helped colonialists, I guess ethnic cleansing isn't racist. Etc.
Point being that, even with the worst, most extreme forms of racism, you could find some supporters of that race on the side of the racism. Your line of argument doesn't even come close to proving someone isn't a racist.
Also, Latino and Hispanic are cultural groupings. There are native, black, white, and mixes there of, amongst Latinos and Hispanics. Finding yourself a bunch of Ted Cruzes to support you sure as hell isn't evidence you're not racist.
Aside from that, the most obvious is that, since a recent Pew survey showed similar support as 2016 (Trump 8% black, 29% Hispanic), that suggests more black and Hispanic Democrats didn't vote, rather than suggesting Trump has won over large percentages.
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@gnubbiersh647 He called chess a game of "perfect objectivity". Someone subjectively decided to make a game, decided on the pieces, decided how they'd move, decided on the board, and on any special moves. There is nothing objectively wrong with using alternate rules, or an alternate board (Star Trek chess). Even once all that is decided, there's nothing objectively wrong with letting your opponent beat you (maybe let your kid win once in awhile so they don't get frustrated). Harris has a very slim grasp on philosophy basics, like objectivity and subjectivity. A game, with a book of rules, is analogous to laws (book of laws), not morality. And, sometimes we decide laws themselves are immoral/wrong.
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@embedded_software Well, Sanders' is like a sales tax on Wall Street. It would be as unavoidable as the VAT, but the consumers, in that case are 84% the top 10%, 50% the top 1%. Corporations doing buybacks would also have to pay it.
Someone might be able to avoid Warren's wealth tax by redirecting anything over $50m through charities, but that would still cut down on hoarding.
A VAT doesn't affect hoarding, at all, it also doesn't tax giant corporations at all, which is why, when mixed with the UBI, it would end up benefiting giant corporations and the super rich.
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@ragingbull94mtx Trump ran on fixing the economy, as well as his other bullshit, and "they" (FOX and guests), jumped on the Trump bandwagon. Instead of pointing at the "record high", a mostly meaningless statement, they'd point at the slow recovery rate. Obama's last budget ran through most of Trump"s first year in office. Since Trump's first budget, his tax cuts kicking in, and the start of his trade wars, the stock market has almost flatlined, but now they go on about the "record high". They're partisan hacks, not newspeople.
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@Addamo Really? A dozen seditious conspiracy charges, and you're still playing the ... but was it an insurrection ... game?
What's ironic about the Dems passing their own budget? Isn't that what tends to happen? AOC voted against the individual state department and defense department appropriation bills. She didn't vote against funding healthcare, housing, education, veteran's benefits, SNAP, SSI, etc., if that's what you're moronically looking for.
The Capitol Hill police bill was amended in the senate and made bipartisan. It passed with large bipartisan support, and came back for a house vote. AOC actually voted against the final version of that bill, as well, but it passed with overwhelming support.
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Derek Hitt And, literally, threw socialists, communists, and unionists, into camps first ... were, literally, backed by leading industrialists, who owned large privately owned and operated businesses ... literally, killed off any prominent left leaning members of their own party on the Night of the Long Knives ... were, literally, leaders in privatization ... so not actually socialists.
Your turn, how are 100% privately owned and operated corporations, not capitalistic? Your definition of "capitalism" doesn't sound like it has ever existed anywhere.
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@pocket83squared You opened with much strawmanning. I do believe in pure objectivity, and do believe there can be a reasonable basis for values ("reasonable" doesn't equate to objective). I'm pretty sure empiricism can handle providing objective evidence of a floor. What's the empirical, objective, evidence that I ought to value X? There is none. Valuing X entirely relies on caring (subjectivity) about X. "X is suffering" ... So what? Irrelevant, unless you care (subjectivity) about X suffering.
So, everyone who eats meat, including Sam, is objectively immoral? Everyone who justifies b.mbing civilians, including Sam, is objectively immoral? Everyone who justifies t.rture, including Sam, is objectively immoral?
Then you go on about religion. Even a god's morality would be based on subjectivity, it's own subjective likes and dislikes. Absolutely nobody has ever made a valid case for objective morality.
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@Ebikelover No. You're brainwashed by the right wing media, dumb dumb.
"A small number of Capitol riot defendants — at least three charged in the federal criminal investigation — have been accused of carrying firearms. But guns weren't the only threat. According to court documents reviewed by CBS News, 39 defendants have been accused of wielding "deadly or dangerous" weapons that weren't firearms, including Tasers, tomahawk axes, crowbars, flagpoles, a knife, an ice axe, a firecracker, a stun gun, baseball bats, fire extinguishers, a wooden club and chemical spray."
"The right-wing Oath Keepers militia group was prepared to move a stash of firearms and equipment from a Virginia hotel to rioters on Jan. 6 last year, federal prosecutors said, painting the most detailed portrait yet of the planning the group’s members allegedly undertook as they tried to stop the certification of Joe Biden’s 2020 presidential election win."
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@marlenechartrand3699 Every election there is a miniscule percentage of voter fraud. When 150m people have voted, taking a dozen votes to court here, or even a hundred votes there, before conceding, is just wasting people's time. That small crap, that doesn't affect the outcome, is usually dealt with behind the scenes, afterwards. He made the same baseless claim of widespread voter fraud, in 2016, then set up his own election integrity commission. They found nothing of the sort. He proved, himself, that his claim was baseless. He's a proven conman ... proven in court ... and you're falling for his con. You're the little old lady who hands over her social security number.
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@brentnoury7626 But, that wasn't the annual military aid to Israel. That was to rearm what is purely a defensive system. The Iron Dome doesn't kill Palestinians. The annual military aid to Israel is in the State department appropriation bill. Unlike Hinkle dishonestly made out, AOC actually voted against the State Department appropriation bill. What she voted for was the entire annual budget, which includes things like healthcare, education, housing, veteran's benefits, SNAP, SSI, etc. He wasn't really asking her to vote solely against the state department, which she had already done. He was asking her to vote against everything. She also voted against the defense appropriation bill. She also voted against the final version of the Capitol Hill police bill (it was amended in the senate and came back). She has actually voted against most of the things he wanted her to vote against. Dore knobs are dishonest.
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@meganalves9967 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@bloui1033 You're kind of incoherent. You told me you weren't using the unfair treatment definition, but then told others it's unfair treatment.
If it's simply recognizing a difference, what's wrong with, at minimum, recognizing that women have been drastically underrepresented in the supreme court, for over two centuries, and are currently underrepresented, 6-3. There will be legal cases, that specifically deal with women's issues. In fact, odds are, there will be more legal cases dealing specifically with women's issues than specifically with men's issues.
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All well and good in a void, but the US has an even further right party of outright fascists, that tried to overthrow the democratic process to install themselves an unelected dictator. Vote for progressives in the primaries. If they don't make it, vote to keep the fascists out in the general. Splitting the progressive voters from more conservative Dem voters, in the general, would just let Republicans rule for decades to come, and wouldn't give progressives any more power. In fact, it would give them less power.
As is, progressives only need to become the majority of the party, to pick the party speaker candidate, and take the party in the direction they want. As a third party, they'd have to win the majority of congress, to have any power.
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King Charles ✔ You're not actually telling anyone anything. Nobody thought it was a conspiracy that he owned an island. What, specifically, about Epstein's Island did someone claim was a conspiracy, that has come true? Wasn't it Republican, and Trump crony, Alexander Acosta, who made the shit plea deal with Epstein? Wasn't it news outlets, like the Guardian and NYT, which right wingers consider "leftist", that reported on Julie Brown's investigation? Who, and what, are you talking about?
What email has been proven to show Biden corruption?
Who was Kyle supposedly talking about? Who said there's no way you'd ever need more than two shots, and that it'd be over in two weeks?
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King Charles ✔ No. It only audited Maricopa county, and there were about 500k fewer votes than registered voters. You're lying. You've been watching too much OANN.
The election lies led to Republicans trying to overthrow the democratic process, and cultists storming the Capitol, to try and install an unelected dictator, ffs. Yeah, that's not normal.
Clinton conceded the night of the election. Zero Democratic lawmakers tried to overthrow the democratic process. No Clinton cultists stormed the Capitol to try and overthrow the democratic process. Nothing anyone has been arrested for was used in Republican Mueller's investigation, which indicted 19 Russians, and 3 Russian companies, for election interference (completely different than election fraud). His report provided some 200 pagrs of information sharing (collusion), that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, and only didn't charge Jr and Kushner with criminal conspiracy because it said it would be hard to show they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. The FBI, under Trump, said Russia was interfering again, in 2020. Thinking that the DNC, the FBI (run by Republicans for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), the Republican lead investigator, Republicans like Romney, and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to make Mike Pence president, is a loonie conspiracy.
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@bravesirkevin You seem to be moving the boyfriend into the position of the publisher, or whatnot, and giving him the ability to outright stop her from associating with someone else, completely against her will, rather than simply giving her an ultimatum, and letting her choose.
If she's the one making the decision, and he's the one giving an ultimatum, then she's the publisher. She's the one with the power to make the final decision. You seem to be ignoring that she could choose to keep the friend and ditch the boyfriend. You're trying to deny his right to say "it's me or them". You're trying to deny his right to not want to associate with the other person she has brought into his life, allowed into the space he's in.
You've also repeatedly agreed that it's okay to give an ultimatum, with every example I've given that includes what you agree is a valid reason to do so. Which, again, means your "analogy" could only come anywhere close to actually being analogous if there was absolutely zero valid reason for giving the ultimatum. Who decides that?
And, the whole point of bringing up the Dixie Chicks, was to point out hypocrisy. Those pro war nationalist right wingers made out like they had a valid reason for trying to cancel the Dixie Chicks, and now many of those same people are crying about "cancel culture", as if cancelling is always wrong. You seemed to be straddling that same hypocrisy line, where you agree to cancelling if you agree with the reasons, but we're still trying your damnedest to make out like cancelling, in general, is "abuse".
Again, who is asking for people to be cancelled for absolutely zero reason? It's not really a thing, right? So, you are determining that reasons you agree with are valid reasons to cancel, and reasons you don't agree with are "abuse". You need to be arguing against specific reasons, arguing why you think it's wrong for those reasons, and give up making out like it's always wrong, because you already completely failed in that department.
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@gary_stavropoulos Lol, how is ending corporate welfare detatched from reality? Too many right wing fans of it, to end it?
Tax the markup on both sides of each sale, cap markup at a maximum percent of costs, and don't consider taxes a cost that can be passed along. So, if there's a $100 markup on those cell phones, and a 10% sales tax on both sides, the buyer and seller are each paying $10 towards government services, and the seller will then be paying their one million times more share, when they sell their million phones.
Having the customers pay all the taxes is stupid, and you're just feeding corporate welfare, giving corporations tons of free crap.
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I'd go back to the 50s. They gave a home to extreme anti-socialist McCarthy types, then southern racists, religious extremists, gun nuts, neocons, Tea Party nutters, extreme obstructionists, the Trump cult, and now Qanoners. It's increasingly a party of lunatics.
Trump did pull off the most Big Brother like propaganda campaign in US history though, I think, convincing tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any judges, any lawyers, any election officials, any doctors, any nurses, any scientists, any other politicians ... anybody ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradicted Supreme Leader. As well as convincing many to embrace overt fascism, and bring an end to the democratic process.
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Take it back to Nixon. Nixon was the youngest member of the un-American Activities Commission, as a House representative. When he then ran for the California senate, he used an extremist Red Scare campaign against his opponent Hellen "Pink Lady" Gahagan. Reagan, was an FDR supporting Dem and union leader. He was backing Gahagan, at first. Someone (one account I read said Nancy, another said some other actress he worked with) then got him to go to a Nixon rally, and he dropped his support for her, and was put on the path to crazytown. Not sure if he actually met with Nixon. If so, there could possibly have been threats of black listing involved, as Nixon supported doing to people.
Nixon continued gathering the anti-socialist extremists, and then started playing to the Southern racists, during his presidential run. Nixon is pretty much to blame for starting to gather all the nuts into one basket.
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Even for those who were unskilled, the fallacy in their argument is that it implies enslavement was required, to provide whatever skills they're talking about. In reality, early colonial immigrants from Africa, that came over freely, before their rights were taken and slavery became law, adapted to the new world as well as anyone else. They either had the skills, or developed the skills, without them being forced on them. Just like poor Europeans, many of whom had been living in cities and had never been farmers, came over, were given land, and quickly developed the skills necessary to become farmers ... no force necessary. Slavery didn't provide anything other than pain and misery.
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Mass testing, quickly, has flattened the curve in a number of countries. Total tests and tests per million are totally irrelevant numbers. It's tests per confirmed case that matters. S Korea, Australia, and New Zealand, have all tested over 50 people per positive result. The US is testing 5 people per positive result. New York and New Jersey are testing 2-3 people per positive result ... absolutely pathetic. Most countries that are supposed to be world leaders, have failed miserably. France is testing 2-3 people per positive result. The UK is testing 4 people per positive result. Sweden isn't even trying to contain the virus, and they're testing 5 people per positive result. How do countries claim to be trying to contain it, while having testing rates similar to, or lower than, a country that isn't trying?
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@Quantris This question, from an American neighbour, was about Canadian crazies, in general. They are more abundant, as a percentage of the population (which my polling comment was based upon), i.e. more visible, a larger percent of the vote, etc., in Alberta. Kenney is also a shit show, with Alberta currently leading all North American provinces and states, for new covid cases per capita. He, on the other hand, won by a majority of the Alberta vote ... because it's our most conservative province. Arguing against that, is arguing against reality.
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@mfflscotty2095 And what good is equipment and policies, without workers, to work that equipment, and implement those policies? No, we want to give more money to "workers", because they're the ones doing the work. The clue is in their name.
Every measure they use, to increase profits, and their personal wealth, either takes more money from consumers (which are mostly workers), or gives less money to workers. To pretend like one side doesn't get less, when another side gets more, is nonsensical.
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"No individuals or groups (political parties, cultural associations, economic unions, social classes) outside the State. Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle." ~ Mussolini, The Doctrine of Fascism
They also like to complain about celebrities, telling them to shut up, or that their opinions don't matter, but they'll sure pull one out quick, if they've got one. Hell, they've elected two as presidents, now.
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@freedomlover9196 Lol, I know exactly what feudalism is. It started with a bunch of medieval cattle (fihu) barons with no laws or regulations above them. When they'd have property disputes, they'd settle them privately. Eventually some expanded their private property claims. They'd form family alliances expanding private property claims. Expansion. Expansion. Until one claimed to personally own a large enough region to declare themselves king of a kingdom. Again, at that level, there were also multiple other private property owning kings, with no law or regulation above them, who claimed ownership of entire kingdoms.
You simply referenced the highest level private property owner, the highest feudal lord, making whatever rules they wanted for living on their private property, enforcing those rules with their private army, and charging whatever they wanted for living and working on their private property.
It was only a parliament, and the removal of a monarch's power, that created a governing body above the highest private property owner, and an end to their monopoly on land and power.
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@freedomlover9196 It's not even ancient history. The same thing was happening on the Western frontiers, where there was little in the way of consistent law and order. Cattle barons, feeling like they could do what they want, hired private armies of cowboys, attacked sheep herders, and others. They were stopped by the law moving in, but still lasted into the 20th century.
The early medieval feudal lords used livestock as currency, mainly cattle, long before they ever started minting currency. They were medieval cattle barons, usually starting out as a growing family clans, with a head of the family.
A King being nervous of a possible peasant uprising isn't the same as the peasants being in control of a government of the people for the people, and being able to make laws over the king and other nobles.
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@BattousaiHBr When has CNN, NYT, MSNBC, etc., represented complete economic equality for all, equal ownership of property, resources, and production, and an end to capitalism? That's the "far left".
They barely seem to tolerate the centre-left, like Bernie. The US has no "far left" politicians, pushing for outright Marxism, or something. On the other hand, the US has numerous US politicians who spout Ayn Rand crap. The US political spectrum goes from "far right" to centre-left, with almost all politicians being right of centre, to some degree.
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@josephgonzalez4380 The polarity was still North vs South. They were all the same Democratic-Republican Party, just a few decades earlier, and dominated the whole country. Before the Republicans split off, the Northerners had already abolished slvry. They split off to become the National Republicans, then the Whigs, then the Republicans. They came to dominate the North. So, the main reason there was party polarity, going into the CW was because the parties were largely split by North-South geography. There were no Southern Republicans. As per my OP, that changed after the CW, when they started running their own rcst candidates, to win Southern seats. It then was still North vs South, only it was Northern Dems and Reps vs Southern Dems and Reps.
If you look at a CW North-South map, and a current Red-Blue map, blue states are pretty much the CW North states. Red states are the CW South states, plus what had been territories at the time of the CW. The most rcst colonies/states, for centuries, didn't up and magically become the least rcst states. The more rcst states simply started voting red, while the less rcst states started voting blue.
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Kira The only way to ever possibly pass a bill "for the cause", is to get enough votes in congress. The 30 year old progressive caucus has increased its numbers and are close to becoming the majority of house Dems. They could then pick the party speaker candidate, set the party agenda, and, if the majority of the house, that speaker could then pick committee seats, and what bills to vote on. The 4 year old Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years and used her platform and PAC to back 20 pro-M4A progressives, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Increasing numbers is what actually gets you closer to ever passing a progressive bill. A 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, doesn't, if that's what you wanted. After the performance art, you'd still need to do the work of converting or replacing enough members to ever pass progressive policies.
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@aepneuma Modernization most definitely kills off sections of industry. Sure, we still have horses, but motorized vehicles killed off using horses for the majority of farming, travel, deliveries, etc. Sure, there are still some hand weavers, but the loom killed off hand weaving as the majority of the industry. Realism used to be a major part of the painting industry. After photography, not so much. Who wants to sit for hours for a realistic family portrait, when you can just take a picture? And we started calling crap, like a black square, painted soup can labels, or paint splatters on canvas, "art". All animations used to be hand drawn, frame by frame. Now, a ton are done with 3D animation. Mass produced crap has become the norm, in many sectors of society. Sure, there will still be some people who care, but I don't know why you'd think that people who watch Kardashians, or some sh*t, won't welcome garbage.
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@oliverpringle4309 Nope. Not what I meant to say, at all.
You seem to have failed at basic math. 1999 (Poland, Czech, Hungary, join NATO) is 8 years after 1991 (Russia interfering in Georgia), 5 years after 1994 (first Chechen war), and about the same time Russia was pushing further conflicts (second Chechen war).
You also seem to have failed at geography. NATO isn't a nation, with its own borders. Poland had its own borders. Poland joining NATO doesn't change its borders nor does it change Russia's borders. All it means is that, if Russia interferes in Poland, as it has elsewhere, then Poland has allies. Seems like it was a smart thing for Poland to do, considering what Russia had been up to. Why should Russia get to dictate who can ally with who, and invade whoever they want, if they feel like it?
Also, the vast majority of deaths, in Donbas, actually occurred when Russian backed fascists were taking over the region and Russia was also taking over Crimea. Tell me, did you blame the Syrian government, for fighting against a rebellion, and justify the US involvement in Syria?
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The "messenger" is smearing anyone who doesn't whole heartedly agree with his tactics. The woman who took out the #2 corporate Dem, who got challenged again by a DCCC backed corporate Dem and won, who started her own progressive PAC, who just used that PAC to get even more progressives elected to congress, who's a member of the DSA which has been holding M4A rallies, ... she's a "shill"?
If you, at all, doubt the strategy of the political mastermind who promoted Trump as better than Clinton, and claimed the moon would fall into Lake Michigan before Trump fills multiple scotus seats, then you're a "fake", "sellout", or "shill"? Piss off Jimmy Dore.
The moron doesn't even know it would be possible for Pelosi, or even McCarthy, to win, if things weren't done just right, and somehow coordinated with both Republicans and all the corporate Dems. The speaker has to win the majority of votes cast, not the majority of the house. House members abstaining changes the number of votes needed to win. His plan isn't risk free. Considering forcing a vote guaranteed to lose not worth the potential risks, doesn't make someone a "shill".
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@Aj-zr8dz Jimmy recently argued himself that corporate Dems would rather lose to Republicans than deliver to progressives. That's an argument against his own plan. If they'd rather things fail to the right than succeed to the left, that indicates progressives have less political leverage than he's claiming they have.
I get that people are frustrated with the slow build up of progressives in congress, wish it could go faster, etc., but remember that Jimmy has an agenda too ... the People's Party. Making out like progressives aren't doing what they can, that they're "fakes", that they're "shills", etc., because of a tactics disagreement, plays into his argument for a People's Party ... which would have to start from scratch, and have even less power. He thinks fascists and neolibs are samesies, even promoted the fascist as a better option, in 2016. He thought Jill Stein had an actual shot at becoming president. He underestimates just how horribly worse Republicans can be, and overestimates how much influence and power underdog progressives, or third parties, have.
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@greenith No. I'm saying it's built into a VAT system that businesses reclaim their input VAT. It's an intentional part of the design, exacetly so they don't consider an expense which can lead to cascading taxes upon taxes upon taxes. Not crediting back businesses, like a VAT does, would be even worse ...
VAT (crediting back input VAT): My business purchases an item for $100 + $10 input VAT (sent to government). I sell for $200 + $20, output VAT. I get my $10 credited back and send $10 to the government. Government gets $20. Consumer pays $20. Business ends up paying no taxes.
Some other tax, that's not a VAT, which doesn't credit businesses back: My business purchases an item for $100 + $10 tax (sent to the government). I consider the $10 a cost that won't be credited back. To keep the same profit, I now sell for $210 + $21 tax (sent to the government). The government now gets $31. The business still pays nothing. The consumer pays the $20 tax on the original $200 value, the business' $10 tax, plus a $1 tax on that $10. The more steps in the chain, the more that taxes upon taxes upon taxes will build up.
The examples I gave are an intentional part of the VAT design.
"You can claim a credit for any GST included in the price of any goods and services you buy for your business. This is called a GST credit (or an input tax credit – a credit for the tax included in the price of your business inputs)."
https://www.ato.gov.au/Business/GST/Claiming-GST-credits/
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@greenith Oh geezus.
Firstly, you mixed up input VAT and output VAT, indicating you clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
Secondly, it's pure bullshit that businesses would keep the price exactly the same. Yang's linked to pass through rate study, on his own VAT page, even debunked his bullshit. Regarding the "central question", it found a 100% pass through on on standard rated goods and services. The pass through rate only lowered by including partially rated goods and services, including the large amount of zero rated staples. Including zero rated goods and services is only relevant to overall CPI or inflation, not who pays, because nobody is paying on zero rated, 0% pass through, goods and services. Not only do businesses not eat the tax, it found that most "prepared" months ahead of time, raising their prices and pocketing the extra, until the VAT increase actually kicked in.
Thirdly, you're horrible at math. The $20 in the $220 is the VAT. They don't owe $22 on $220. They owe the $20 on $200, -$10 for their INPUT VAT, leaving them a $50 profit, exactly as before.
Lastly, you are completely missing the fucking point of the government intentionally crediting businesses back their INPUT VAT. It's exactly so they DON'T consider it a cost, which would cause cascading taxes upon taxes, making things even worse. The VAT is outright trying to avoid taxing businesses.
Look at this again. The final consumer pays $2 on the final $20 value. The government gets $2. The businesses all get paid back in full. It was never intended to tax the businesses. The result is the same as a 10% sales tax on $20.
https://images.app.goo.gl/jkmycdqrbgQgzTL46
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@greenith The cost on consumers is irrelevant to who is paying the tax. They are paying the tax, not the businesses.
If a VAT won't have businesses paying into the dividend, and it won't, then they would only get the benefit of the dividend being spent. Amazon's share of US consumer spending is 2+%. They would make an extra $60b a year from $3t in increased consumer spending. Money would end up flowing to the very top, increasing inequality, increasing the speed of automation, increasing corporate hoards, faster than ever.
Add that anyone promoting a dividend that wouldn't have corporations paying into it, comparing it to a dividend paid for by corporations, Alaska's, is completely clueless or completely dishonest.
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@rev.chuckshingledecker Likud's Revisionist Zionsim founders were around though. Ze'ev Jabotinsky literally had some of his Betar militant youth movement train with fascists, in Italy. They became the Irgun and Lehi. The Lehi also tried to ally with the Italians, Germans, and Vichy, during WWII, and kept fighting against the British. Here's what Einstein, and other prominent Jews, thought of Likud's founders ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
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@joshboston2323 Well, there's his nonsensical morality argument, that includes him using completely garbage "analogies". One being using chess as an "analogy" to morality, and calls it a game of pure objectivity. But, chess has rules, which is an analogy to having laws, not to morality. And, those rules were created by the subjective decisions of its creator, people make the subjective decision to play or not, people make the subjective decision whether they actually want to win or not (might want to let their kid win), people make the subjective decision whether they want to use alternative rules or not, ... He also argues against himself, first claiming all variations of morality are about "well being". If true, that would mean everyone has a different idea of what "well being" entails, everyone has a different subjective concept of "well being". But then he makes out like his version of "well being" is objective and uses it to judge other versions of "well being" as worse. He doesn't ever actually get beyond his initial statement about the consensus being that science/objectivity, can't tell you what main goal to set, but once you subjectively decide on a main goal, science/objectivity can tell you, objectively, whether a course of action will bring you closer to, or further from, reaching that goal. All he did was stick in his own subjective version of "well being", as the main goal. It was complete nonsense, by a dimwit who thinks he's smarter than Hume.
There's also his fearmongering about AI, as if an AI having more knowledge (objectivity), giving an example of an AI that's more intelligent to us than we are to ants, will somehow lead to it turning against us (subjectivity). There's zero indication we can even create an AI with its own subjectivity, its own ability for primary goal setting. You have to worry about the programmers who are programming in the primary goals, not an AI suddenly up and deciding it wants to organize paperclips, one day. An AI has no personal desires.
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@President Houseplant He outright promoted Trump as the better option in 2016. He spent the 2020 general basically running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, which could only benefit Trump. Didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans lost their Medicaid expansion, and didn't care to add 40m older Americans to Medicare, but makes out like he's the one true champion of healthcare. Slanders the most progressive politicians in congress, which can only benefit corporate Dems and Reps. Also promotes third parties, which only really benefits corporate Dems and Reps. Goes on right wing talk shows, not to challenge their ideas, rather to agree with them. Trashes the DSA, which has been having M4A rallies. After slandering the most progressive politicians in congress, and progressive organizations, making out like they're no allies, all because of a tactics disagreement, turns around and makes out like some far right ancap Boogaloos would make great allies, even though they completely disagree on economics, don't want anything socialized at all.
What makes him left wing, exactly? Just him saying so?
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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In terms of economics, the far left would actually be complete economic equality for all, and the total eradication of capitalism. Absolutely zero politicians run on such a platform.
The far right would be calling for complete privatization of services ... Ayn Rand. There are politicians actually running on such platforms. Libertarians are far right, and there's no equivalent on the left, in US politics.
Bernie is the centrist, pushing policies like centrist European countries, Canada, etc, where capitalism is still doing quite well. Democrats shifted, and have been right of centre for some time, and Republicans shifted even further right of them. The US still hasn't recovered from McCarthyism and the Red Scare.
The US was also 40% unionized in the early 50s, with those unions lobbying for workers. It's currently at about 10% unionized, with politicians and corporations trying to destroy the largest union left ... the teachers union ... by pushing to privatize schools. There is barely a worker lobby left to go up against the corporate lobby.
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@corsoconner My strategy? To never promote the worst of fascists (those that he's supposedly against) as the better option for progressives, because that's beyond moronic. Not to go completely backwards as they try to throw millions of the poorest Americans off Medicaid expansion, try to remove women's choice, try to remove anti-discrimination laws, try to remove environmental protection laws, etc., etc., etc. Maybe get a small step forward by adding millions to Medicare expansion. Not completely ditching the 30 year old broader progressive caucus as it's about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Not completely ditching the 4 year old Justice Dems, who have added about a dozen of the most progressive members. Not ditching AOC, who just helped add a few more progressives. Not take the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in going on 50 years, which could just have completely backwards Republicans rule for decades, even if you did manage to peel away enough progressive votes, and still didn't get a single seat for it.
Glenn has gone nuts, and Dore was a complete coward in front of West, when West talked fondly of Bernie and other progressives. He didn't jump into his slander routine, calling Bernie, and others, fakes and sellouts, in front of him.
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@jayasri6764 Any of you conservatives pretending like you're Spock, or Data, are complete idiots. That's just a fact. Even those characters weren't accurate to reality. In reality, one's objectivity actually makes zero decisions in life. Every decision is based on what one does, and/or doesn't value ... one's subjectivity. Shapiro values something over people, which is why he doesn't want others to value people.
Shapiro is a hypocritical douchebag that wants policies to have empathy for brainless fetuses, but not for thinking, feeling, developed human beings. Pushing contradictions is an indication he is, factually, an idiot.
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@blogintonblakley2708 Thinking the FBI, the DNC, Australian officials, a Republican investigator, and other Republicans, were all in cahoots to fabricate a Russia story, in an attempt to make Mike Pence president, is the looney conspiracy theory, Dore knob. The Mueller report included some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion), that didn't rise to the level of criminal conspiracy, and stated Jr and Kushner weren't charged with criminal conspiracy because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law.
There have also been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use, since 2013. Two dissenting opinions, on a single report, doesn't actually debunk that report, let alone all the other accounts and investigations. That single investigation wasn't even started before the US and others had bombed Syria, it doesn't actually assign blame as per Russia's UN demand, and the final report didn't come out until almost a year after Syria was bombed. That no blame assigning report, that Dore and Mate kept crying about, had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria. There was also another use of chemical weapons, just the month before, which had a no blame assigning investigation with zero dissenting opinions, and also had a follow up blame assigning investigation with zero dissenting opinions that did find Syria to blame.
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@blogintonblakley2708 My bad. You're right. At least one of the studies in the meta analysis (an analysis of data from other "studies" isn't itself a study, ffs) was peer reviewed and found to be fraudulent, and pulled from publications.
Since you seem to have troubles telling the difference between "from the NIH" and from someone else, but in an NIH database ...
From the NIH: "There is insufficient evidence for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19."
"However, most of these studies had incomplete information and significant methodological limitations, which make it difficult to exclude common causes of bias."
"Because most of these studies have significant limitations, the Panel cannot draw definitive conclusions on the clinical efficacy of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide further guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19."
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No it's not, dummy. Men should be able to control themselves, if they see a miniskirt. It's their fault, if they attack a woman in a miniskirt.
Viruses can't control themselves. They're out to spread. Are you actually trying to argue men are like viruses, and are all rapists, just waiting for an opening?
It's more like a car crash. Not something people intentionally try to do. And, if you were the one following all the safety precautions, and rules of the road, then you're not at fault. But, if you're the one not wearing your seatbelt, speeding, and driving drunk, then you are at fault. The later is Trump. He's an idiot who shouldn't be allowed on the road.
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@henrywallace2257 Nope. He said Trump was far worse, and then used that to argue he was the better option for progressives. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would result in a massive progressive backlash, that would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (didn't happen) and senate (didn't happen), in 2018, and the presidency (didn't happen), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump agenda (didn't happen), rather than follow him into all out fascism (did happen), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats (did happen) was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (hasn't happened, still waiting).
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@PotentialThall Holy hell. Nazis didn't just look at people, and consider only tall, blonde, blue eyed, people to be Aryans, ffs. They actually did genealogy, to prove ones Aryan, or "German and kindred blood", lines. 3+ German (or related) grandparents, and you're an acceptable German. 3+ non German (or related) grandparents, and you're not an acceptable German. 50/50, and you were considered mixed race.
You dimwits seem to be completely clueless as to the Nuremberg Laws.
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@ZereayM There are plenty of Christians behaving badly, Hindus behaving badly, Jews behaving badly, even atheistic Buddhists behaving badly, socialists behaving badly, capitalists behaving badly, Americans behaving badly, Mexicans behaving badly, etc, etc., etc.
There's a difference between Islamophobes portraying all Muslims and Islam in a singular horrible light, and simply acknowledging that there are some Muslims behaving badly.
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@zachdave2994 @zachdave2994 Lol, you're like someone arguing a medium, or minimum, security prison, isn't a prison.
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@zachdave2994 No clue why you keep yapping about who is worse. Just a fact that IL controls Gz's borders, airspace, ports, electricity, water, imports/exports, who goes in and out, and even the money from Qtr, which Bibi has stopped and started multiple times. Just a fact that Likud's own platform states the Pal territories are not, and never will be, independent. Just a fact that all the relevant international bodies consider the Pal territories all occpied. Just a fact that it is an open air ghto.
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Shouldn't anyone who supports Likud, and Netanyahu, be censured? Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan" ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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@Scepticalasfuk Threatening to paralyze the house doesn't get you M4A. It could just get you a paralyzed house, with corporate Dems, Republicans, and the corporate media, then blaming progressives for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., during a pandemic. Even if it got you a vote guaranteed to fail, you'd then still have to add more yes votes to congress, exactly as the "synthetic-progressive" AOC just did. You know that's the only possible way to pass a bill, yeah? Get enough yes votes. Your slander turns Jimmy's own "plan" into have a failed vote and then do nothing.
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@seanmccartney5177 Are you actually an ignoramus, or do you just play one on the internet? Richard Spencer, organizer of Charlottesville:
“As someone who understands your identity, who has a sense of nationhood and peoplehood, and the history and experience of the Jewish people, you should respect someone like me, who has analogous feelings about whites. You could say that I am a white Zionist – in the sense that I care about my people, I want us to have a secure homeland for us and ourselves. Just like you want a secure homeland in Israel."
"I have great admiration for Israel's nation-state law. Jews are, once again, at the vanguard, rethinking politics and sovereignty for the future, showing a path forward for Europeans."
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@ashwynnair6812 Yeah, we have exemptions on staples, here in Canada. There's still a VAT on most things.
Being from the UK, you know why things are priced higher in the UK and Canada, then, yes? Companies will cover their costs. Corporations, especially those he constantly mentions, won't be paying the tax.
I'm talking about the upper middle class and up, who do spend ridiculous amounts per month. The higher you go, the more they'll simply save, hoard, get paid in stocks, etc., which isn't taxed by a VAT, because they aren't spending it. The 1% will make even more, with Yang, while the next 19% will pay the most into the VAT.
The alternative is not to bullshit people. Sure, a VAT is a way to bring in a lot of federal revenue. No, a VAT is not a way to make Amazon or Bezos "pay their fair share", as Yang keeps saying.
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Yeah, yeah ... Democrats, the FBI (run by Republicans for 24 of the past 40 years), Republican lead investigator Mueller, Republicans like Cheney and Romney, and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to frame Trump and make Mike Pence president ... but left Mike Pence, and enough of the other establishment Republicans, out of the plan, leaving them unable to remove Trump.
Or ... Mueller provided some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion), that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, and only didn't charge Jr and Kushner with criminal conspiracy because it would be too hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law.
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@West Park Blah, blah, blah, the difference is economics, ffs. Ancappers and anarchists are not samesies, just because they both don't want governments. Neither are authoritarian communists and authoritarian capitalists samesies, just because they're both authoritarian.
Ummm, one bunch of nuts did just try to overthrow democracy and install an unelected dictator, supported by a majority of Republican members of congress, and Republican lawmakers across the country. You know, aiming for all out fascism.
On the flip side, absolutely no Democrats have promoted a 100% publicly owned and operated economy. There are zero communist politicians in power.
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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@marciamakesmusic No, he said it showed perversions that had already been realized in both Communism and fascism. He already had a Stalinist country represented in the 3 totalitarian regimes, exactly where the USSR already was. He also already had an Imperialist regime based on Japan, their divine emperor, and suicidal devotion. Why would he include yet another Stalinist supernation, when he repeatedly stated he considered fascists to be the worst of the totalitarians, and not have them represented, at all?
That the Ingsoc claimed to be socialists, then quickly abandoned it, and are described in the forbidden book Winston reads as being outright opposed to socialism, suggests they're fascists. Much like Hitler's "national socialists", who weren't really socialists, and quickly killed off their own left leaning members on the road to power. Doublespeak would suggest they're the opposite of what they claim to be.
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Most isn't all. There will be a pocket of people already collecting $1000 per month, or more, in assistance who will be worse off if most things cost at least 10% more. Any plan to help the poor shouldn't hurt some of the poor. Also, a single parent's $1000 per month isn't going to go nearly as far as a single non-parent's $1000 per month. Any plan for the poor that doesn't factor in children, and give an increase for children, is crap, especially if things for the children will cost at least 10% more. We exempt basic staples here in Canada, but that doesn't include clothing, which growing kids can plow through, toys, or other entertainment.
On top of having a negative effect on some amount of poor people, he is completely bullshitting that a VAT is a way to make corporations like Amazon "pay their fair share". Corporations simply collect the tax and pass it along to government. The consumers pay the tax.
Many who do end up in the plus will actually spend their extra money on corporations like Amazon, making Amazon even more money. That, in turn, will make people like Bezos even more money, and the more money someone has, the more they hoard. Hoarded money isn't affected by a VAT. The upper middle class and lower end rich, who already spend a lot but don't hoard as much, will be the ones paying into the VAT the most, as a percentage of their income/wealth.
Yang's plan, as is, will hurt some poor people, hurt the upper middle class and low end rich, while making giant corporations and the super rich even richer.
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@putinpuppet2063 Sure, empirical senses can be flawed, which is why we have more and more people make observations for things like science, to minimize the chance of flawed observations. Assuming parts are working properly, they're fairly objective, and what one person sees another person sees. Flawed parts doesn't make for a "subjective" observation, it just makes for an incorrect observation. Even a camera could be out of focus, have a scratch, or a microphone could be glitching, etc. Doesn't make their observations "subjective", just incorrect, or flawed.
What would be an example of a purely objective wrong decision?
Right, Ben is full of all kinds of crap, and is quite dishonest about his facts over feelings mantra. There's no factual evidence to support his religious beliefs.
I said make it matter, not make it a fact. I also outright said above that objectivity, facts, truth ... should be independent of any subjectivity. Him simply stating that life begins at conception, isn't actually an argument for action, one way or the other. He states that fact like there's then an automatic objective, emotionless, jump right to anti-abortion, simply because it's "life". So it's "life". So what? That doesn't actually matter without subjectivity. Ben subjectively cares about that zigot and doesn't want it harmed. His feelings are his actual argument, not his fact.
Right, an action can't be taken without subjectivity. Not helping someone?
Either A, you don't care either way, which means you didn't actually make a decision (like I said above, a robot would sit there observing ... that's not "deciding" not to act, it just doesn't give a crap, so doesn't act ... neither would a vacuum cleaner). B, you subjectively have a desire to see what happens if you don't help, so decide not to. C, you subjectively fear more for your own safety if you try to help, than you do theirs, so decide not to. Or, some other subjective reason to actually decide not to.
How could you actually decide not to act without subjectivity?
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Also a Canadian, here ...
Yeah, the US still hasn't fully recovered from McCarthyism and the Cold War. They've gone from being 40% unionization and a 90% marginal tax bracket, at the top, to 10% unionized and people, and corporations, at the top, getting away with paying no taxes. During that time, both parties tried to avoid any hint of being left leaning, as far as economics go. The Republicans moved way right, and Democrats moved right of centre. There are zero politicians proposing complete economic equality and an end to capitalism. There is no "far left" in US politics. On the other hand, there are numerous politicians spouting far right Ayn Rand type politics. Bernie, and new progressives, are pointing at centrist European countries to emulate. They're centre-left, at most. US politics ranges from far right to centre-left, but many politicians, and the media, have pushed this "far left" nonsense, when "far left" doesn't really exist in US politics.
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@Christopher Bradley That made no sense, since the reality is that Dore, and others of his ilk, have drawn the hardest lines. If you don't agree with just a single stupid pointless plan, then you get slandered as a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", or whatnot.
Slandering and "self criticizing" are two different things, and if you attack those who are closest to you, the most, and those who want to go completely backwards, the least (if at all), then you end up sounding mich like FOX.
Since when did the left give up on sensible gun control, that works in most other developed nations, including all the ones ranked higher than the US on freedom indexes? Rittenhouse should have never been wandering the streets with a gun, in the first place. He would have been arrested long before the shootings in pretty much every other developed country.
But, since he was, compare it to another case, where a guy shot up a church. A neighbor from down the street ran down to the church with his gun. He didn't see what was going on inside the church. He then shot at the armed gunman who came out of the churh. The gunman, who had been shot then got in his vehicle and sped off. Another man drives up and the neighbor guy jumps in that vehicle, tells him what happened, and they chase after the gunman at 95 mph. The gunman drove into a ditch and died of his gunshot wounds.
US law has allowed people, who didn't witness the crime, but think they're chasing a murderer, to use even deadly force. The Rittenhouse case goes against that. The Rittenhouse verdict would seemingly allow the church gunman to have killed the two men chasing after him, and shooting at him, in "self defense". Ironically, that seems to allow people to shoot "good guys with guns" in "self defense".
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@secularsocialist Completely false, you dimwitted Dore knob.
Firstly, the Gallup article he cited clearly stated their hospitalization rates were for the total unvaccinated and vaccinated populations, together a hospitalization rate for the entire population.
Secondly, there are 3 different covid "death rates". 1 is the infection fatality rate, which has been estimated at about 1%, since the beginning, and multiple studies since then have supported about a 1% infection fatality rate, in developed countries. 2 is the case fatality rate, which changes constantly, which you can easily find the current rate, and which is even easy to do the math to figure out yourself. 3 is the crude mortality rate, which is covid deaths per the total population, which is also easy to find the current rate, or do the math to figure out yourself.
A 3.4% "death rate", from a year and a half ago, is clearly a case fatality rate. Only a complete and utter moron, couldn't find the current rate, or simply do the math. Even then, it's the wrong rate. If you're using a total population hospitalization rate, then the comparable "death rate" is the crude mortality rate. Comparing total population hospitalization rates to a case fatality rate is completely dishonest. You must be completely ignorant to think he made a valid comparison. Dumber than a stump.
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@secularsocialist Just how slow are you? I didn't claim simply giving opinions on YouTube and making money was grifting. I clearly spelled out what I meant by grifting. A grifter, like a snake oil salesman, claims to be selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful. Incredibly ironic, you claiming others are lying and strawmanning.
Nope, you're lying. He claimed Ivermectin was both an effective remedy and an effective preventative, on Rogan's show. He got caught in that lie with his first video on his new right wing platform, Rumble. Probably signed a deal, like his grifter friend Glenn did, for some of that Peter Thiel money ... made from working with the CIA, btw. By Jimmy's own "logic", he himself is both a grifter and a CIA agent.
You also lied about what he did with his dishonest comparison of rates based on totally different math.
Nope. He outright promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton, and made up some delusional fantasy to justify what he was saying, none of which came true. Promoting voting for Stein is also promoting letting Trump win. In no reality was she going to win, right. So you're just promoting not voting for the only viable alternative to Trump.
I know what actual anti-vax people say. They say covid is like a cold or flu, isn't that bad, so isn't worth getting vaccinated. Dore lying that covid deaths are "WILDLY inflated", by over 10x, supports their position. They claim there are alternatives to vaccines, and Dore promoting Ivermectin, and other unproven crap, as effective, supports their position. They claim the vaccine side effects are worse than covid. Dore constantly going on about negative side effects, while never pointing out that the rates for the same things, like tinnitus or myocarditis, are much much higher with those who get covid, supports their position. They claim it's some big pharma scam and Dore peddling that it's some big pharma scam, supports their position.
Nope. Tulsi wasn't to the left of Bernie on anything. Bernie said no intervention in Venezuela. Bernie spoke out against the right wing coup, and in favor of Morales, in Bolivia. Bernie called airstrikes on Syria illegal and unauthorized. Dore, and his knobs, just didn't do their homework.
Jimmy's guest clearly stated he was for an "extreme free market" and Dore clearly promoted allying with him. Boogaloos are psychos, that want to start a civil war, ffs.
Rofl! Dore literally brings up the bill of rights, with Carlson, you dishonest lying dimwitted Dore knob. That's exactly what he was talking about. While also peddling the right wing bullshit, that giant corporations, owned by centibillionaires, are "the left". He's his own best joke.
Fighting to add more yes votes to congress, when getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass a bill, is the most important fight. Dore has actively worked against doing just that, and slanders people who have done just that.
He's a grifter, who claims he's for X, but is actually peddling you Y and/or Z.
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Likud platform, "between the sea and the Jordan" ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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Also, how is saving 68000 lives not an increase in quality, as well as access? If you're getting zero access, then you're getting zero quality, until you need emergency care. You're just leaving millions of people with no, or limited, access out of the initial quality metric. So, what metric are you using for quality, if not overall life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, etc.? Shouldn't the quality of healthcare measured in its capacity to keep people alive, first and foremost?
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Two part-time "inspectors" (one wasn't an official inspector and the other never left home base because he didn't finish training), working on a single investigation, at a single site, don't even debunk the larger number of full-time inspectors working on that single investigation, let alone debunk the hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use or dozens of other investigations, since 2012.
Plus, Israel, France, the US, and the UK, had started bombing before inspectors even made it to the inspection site. The final report wasn't released until months after the fact. It wasn't even used to make the decision to intervene.
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@annalisemaya8464 Oh geezus. There were protests and riots during the early labor movement. There were protests and riots during the civil rights movement. Hell, American colonists protested and rioted over funding the police/military and disenfranchisement. It's the reason and goals that make something insane, or not.
What's insane about wanting to end police brutality and have a more just justice system? US police kill citizens at 4 to hundreds of times the rate of other developed countries. The US has the largest prison population in the world. That's fighting against authoritarianism.
Trying to overthrow the democratic process to keep Dumpty on as an unelected dictator is fighting for authoritarianism.
And aside from that, who on the left is outright completely batshit crazy, waiting around for zombie JFK Jr, blathering about Jewish space lasers, spewing religious gobbledygook, thinking Bill Gates is microchipping everyone, etc., etc., etc.?
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@sergeikhripun Seder was promoting Nina Turner, all along, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Meanwhile, Jimmy actually argued against her ... against adding another M4A yes vote to congress.
The DSA has had M4A rallies before, that Dore didn't promote. Dore has ... also not promoted every M4A rally ever, openly argued against adding another M4A yes vote to congress, donated to an anti-M4A Republican, promoted far right anti-M4A ancap Boogaloos as allies, promoted anti-M4A Trump as the better option in 2016, promoted anti-M4A candidate Tulsi Gabbard in the 2020 primaries, didn't give a crap if 10m of the poorest Americans were tossed off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, and promotes third parties that have produced the likes of Kyrsten Sinema and haven't won a single seat in congress in decades ... but he has somehow crowned himself the one true champion of healthcare, and morons have bought it.
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@sergeikhripun Yeah, and Tucker had pro Assange videos going back a year before Dore was even on. Right wingers love WikiLeaks. Assange isn't some left wing issue. Did Tucker convince Dumpty to pardon Assange? No.
So, Jimmy goes on the show, and immediately agrees with Tucker's right wing framing of Trump being kicked off social media because of left wing cancel culture, and blathers about the first amendment, which doesn't even apply, and only feeds right wing morons' victim complex, and feeling their rights are being violated. Utter bullshit. Jimmy should have pointed out that there's no such thing as free speech rights on someone else's private property. He should have pointed out that right wingers are the ones siding with private property, and that, if you do want free speech rights, then you should back public ownership. He should have pointed out that giant corporations, owned by centibillionaires, aren't "leftist", in the least. He should have pointed out that right wingers are the ones who handed corporations so much power, argued they're people with their own rights, including the right to their own beliefs and right to act on those beliefs. They created the monster they're crying about. Plus, he should have pointed out that inciting insurrections and defamation aren't protected speech, even if you made social media an actual public square, through public ownership.
He should have pointed out that conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people for millennia. He should have pointed out that Republicans are fine when the government outright violates free speech, like the head of government firing or threatening to fire anyone who contradicts him, like anti-BDS laws, like LGBT books, like making it harder and more dangerous to protest, like an FCC still protecting delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples, etc. He should have pointed out all the times Republicans have promoted cancelling a business or a person ... for kneeling, for being gay, for being trans, etc. He should have pointed out that "cancel culture" is nothing new, and not something just the left does. In fact, the left hardly uses government, in comparison, and instead uses social pressure, which is basically like the libertarian solution, to use Yelp, or something, to push a business to behave the way you want.
Yeah, and this was right before the well deserved second impeachment, Jimmy then threw in the off topic bone, to Tucker and his audience, that he too considered the first impeachment to be a sham, feeding their doubts about the second one. Nothing in the Mueller report has been refuted. Intelligence agencies didn't rely on the stupid Steele dossier, and are even the ones who decided it wasn't reliable. No clue what you think "Russiagate" is. It's just a fact that Russia interfered in the election. Trump's own FBI concluded the same thing, in 2020. Without relying on the Steele dossier, the Mueller report laid out some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, stated Jr and Kushner weren't charged with criminal conspiracy because it would be too hard to prove they willfully broke the law not because they didn't break the law, and laid out evidence of obstruction. The only people I see blathering about "Russiagate", is you Dore knobs.
Then, like I said, he finally talked about Assange, which was already something Tucker had no problem with. Nothing Jimmy said on that segment challenged any of Tucker's far right views, or his audience's. A total love fest.
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@cringlator Not really. They had the same basic end goal. Differences in method doesn't change the end goal. Plus, if you look at what Marx actually did ... He, and Engels, were members of the SPD, a democratic socialist party, which claimed to be Marxist. They weren't leaders of a violent rebellion. Likewise, for much of Europe. POUM (Workers' Party of Marxist Unification), in Spain, for example, were anti-Stalinists.
On the other side, Nazis were Nazis, whether they were attempting a coup, or whether they were getting elected. The end goal was the same.
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@ManiacMayhem7256 Isn't the actual left in favor of public ownership, that would turn social media platforms into actual public squares, where free speech could be litigated? So, how is the left both in favor of making social media an environment where free speech would actually be a thing, and opposed to free speech?
"Free speech" already doesn't include incitement, false advertising, defamation, or false speech that can cause a panic or harm. You're claim doesn't seem to make sense, without some right wing notion of completely unfettered "free speech", which doesn't exist, and which they don't actually adhere to themselves.
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@FerdEdits Oh piss off with the "there are no progressives in Washington" bullshit. Bernie, Justice Dems, and AOC, have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. Increasing the number of yes votes in congress is the only possible way to get any of those things. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in its near 50 year existence. The broader progressive caucus is 30 years old and is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Justice Dems are 4 years old and have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years, and has helped replace a few corporate Dems. They're immeasurably more successful than any third party, because you can't even measure how many times better something is than zero ... zero seats, zero bills introduced, zero amendments, zero votes on even a single bill.
Because there's no possible way for third party candidates, like former Green candidate Sinema, to ever become corrupt? You're living in some Puritan fantasy world. You get that "vote blue" works both ways, right? That Dems who voted against progressives in the primaries will vote for them in the general, if they win the primaries. Even if you somehow magically convinced every progressive to vote for your fantasy perfectly perfect party, that would just split the votes enough to let Republicans rule for decades to come, in most places.
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@FerdEdits "M4A" and "a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote" aren't exactly the same thing. Be clear that you want them to try and block legislation to get a piece of performance art, not to actually get M4A, which requires 100+ more yes votes in the house alone.
Also be clear that there are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of progressives, and there is the entire Republican party to try and draw extra votes from, on the right. In a standoff, a bill could be pushed far enough right to pick up enough Republican votes to pass a bill without the squad. On the other hand, it's absolutely impossible to pass a bill without the likes of Manchin, because of the fact that there are no extra votes to be gained to the left, by pushing a bill left.
It's a numbers game, and adding numbers is how you win the game. Making out like increasing numbers is doing nothing is beyond moronic. It's the only possible way to ever pass any bill. AOC and Bernie are now trying to increase the numbers by one, by adding Nina Turner. Is Dore promoting Turner?
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@FerdEdits Really? A month of Dore videos, and no headlines promoting Nina Turner. How far back do I have to go, exactly? AOC was just campaigning with her, on the ground in Ohio, a week ago, promoting M4A at rallies as well, and Jimmy's lying headline from 2 days ago, "Bernie and squad abandon Medicare4All".
Not trying for what ... trying to actually get M4A, which requires numbers, or trying to get a 100% guaranteed to fail vote? She's actually trying to increase numbers. The $15 minimum vote proved FTVers would do absolutely nothing with a list of no voters, except keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it, rather than use it to go after the no voters. There's also already a list of congress members who won't sign onto the M4A bill, during a pandemic, and FTVers just keep bitching about those who did sign onto it, instead of going after the 300+ house members who haven't.
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@gelpen7882 Holy crap, Americans need to learn how a VAT actually works. Corporations, like Amazon, would totally avoid a VAT, because they aren't paying it. They collect it, from the consumer, and pass it along to government.
People benefitting from the UBI will spend some percentage of that extra money on Amazon, making them even more money. That, in turn, will make Bezos more money. The more money he has, the more he'll hoard, and hoarded money isn't affected by a VAT.
Table 1 shows how a VAT (GST) actually works. It's the final consumer who ends up paying the entire VAT.
http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
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@edwardz.rosenthal9946 Yeah. I get the frustration, feeling like it's slow going. But, the progressive caucus is only about 10 more seats away from becoming the majority of house Democrats. Some of their most vocal members could protest vote Pelosi, now, but even as a whole, they don't actually have the majority to swap her out in caucus. Pelosi has said this is her last ride as speaker. So, the next caucus speaker election will be up for grabs anyway, and the progressive caucus could have the majority by then, if everyone sticks by them, and elects some more. Letting someone like Tim Ryan get his foot in the door, now, and take over the job could make things tougher. He's even more anti-progressive than Pelosi. Paralyzing the house now could be propagandized against progressives. Pushing corporate Dems to have to work with Republicans to dodge paralyzing the house could make things worse for progressives. There are risks to forcethevote.
If they get the majority of the Dems, next election, and Dems get the majority of the house again, they could pick a speaker who could put the M4A bill up for a vote as many times as Republicans put the ACA repeal bill up for a vote. They could put progressive policies up repeatedly. They're close.
Promote the forcethevote idea. If they go for it, they go for it. If they don't want to risk it, they won't. Still stick together, do all that stuff you can still do anyway, and you can start now ... pressure any Rep not signing on, have and promote M4A rallies, find good candidates to take out anyone who won't sign on, spread proper information, etc. Don't set fire to the ship, jump overboard, let it sink, and start from scratch, over a secondary tactics disagreement. Jimmy isn't a good figurehead for a movement.
The Libertarian party will soon be turning 50 years old without ever having won a seat in congress. The Green Party is 20 years old without ever having won a seat in congress. That's the reality of third parties in the US, atm. Need to get people on the inside to change how elections work, get big donors out of politics, etc., before third parties can really be viable, I think. It may seem like a revolutionary idea in the moment, and you have grand ideas of everyone jumping onboard and it being a short trip to your destination, but it's actually a long road to nowhere, as the system works now. Sticking with progressives is the shorter route, even if it seems slow.
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@IDF_R_HEROES By every relevant measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@mrb152 The wait time data is for people that go to the doctor. Many uninsured Americans just don't go to the doctor, until there's an emergency which hospitals are still required to help with. Here, in Ontario we had a problem with masses of Americans coming over, borrowing an old non photo health card, and getting free health care. Then we implemented photo health cards. Now, over a million Americans a year are going to places like India for cheap health care.
Tens of millions uninsured, over a million traveling abroad, 500k + bankruptcies a year due to medical costs, highest costs in the world, not the highest life expectancy, not the lowest infant mortality rate, not the lowest maternal mortality rate, ... but, hey, you didn't have to wait as long ... just grand.
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Firstly, Israel was created against the wishes of the majority population of Palestine. Its very foundation is anti-democratic. From there, the non-Jewish population was still the majority, in the part given to the Zionists. Jews became the majority by ethnically cleansing enough of the actual majority (and have never let them return), until they had themselves a solid majority. That is equivalent to Hitler purging Germany of his political opponents, and then holding an election. The non-Jewish population is only allowed to vote, because the Jewish majority has no fear of their minority. You can not maintain being a "Jewish state", unless you maintain being a solid Jewish majority, which means never giving refugees the right of return.
The Palestinian territories are officially still considered occupied territories, by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. They get no vote in what their occupier is allowed to do to them (continued colonizing and collective punishment).
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@DanNorton1 Your hero disliked you anarcho types: "For the record, I shall repeat what I have said many times before: I do not join or endorse any political group or movement. More specifically, I disapprove of, disagree with and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives, the so-called “hippies of the right,” who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultaneously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either. Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs."
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@DiverDan1000-3 Idiot Dore knob. Jimmy outright made the argument Trump was worse, but promoted him as the better option, because he had a delusional fantasy that a Trump presidency would cause a major progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and the senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even establishment Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong).
In what reality was Trump the "lesser evil", and Jimmy wrong on that count, as well?
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Not only would Trump support Israel just as much, maybe more, but he'd also let Russia do the same thing as Israel, to Ukraine. On top if that, he'd royally screw things up domestically. He has said he wants a pledge of allegiance to Israel to get in the country. He has said he wants to reinstate and expand his Muslim ban. He'd support those red shirt kinds of tactics in NYC. He has said he's going to use the justice system to go after leftist ("First they came for the communists ..."). His Christo-fascists want to take the country back to Puritan times. Etc. Plus, even if you magically got the rest of Democrats to elect a third party presidential candidate, that candidate would be totally impotent, on the Israel issue, because of how much support Israel has in congress. They could easily pass what they want, for Israel, and override any presidential veto. It's a pointless risk, over a single policy.
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Funny how she campaigned for Bernie, backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems from office, while Dimwit Dore was peddling Tulsi and then running constant attack ads against Trump's only remaining viable opponent (not quite as bad as him outright promoting Trump as the better option in 2016). Funny how she just helped Bush extend the eviction moratorium, which Dimwit Dore didn't seem to care about (kind of like when he didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion). Funny how she was also just campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A, and trying to help increase the M4A yes vote count by one more, while Dimwit Dore was arguing against adding another M4A yes vote to congress (because third parties ... that's the best way to get votes in congress ... and third party candidates are obviously incorruptible and perfectly perfect puritans, like former Green member Sinema).
Oh my, AOC isn't perfectly perfect. Better call her out about a topic not relevant to the video. Maybe cult leader Dore, the one true champion of healthcare, will notice his little knob and give him a shine.
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@mysty0 Hundreds of millions of vehicles are constantly being used, in public, every day. The vast majority of the time, when used, they simply get people from point A to point B. A gun has no other purpose and, when used, just shoots things. Relative to vehicle use, they are rarely used in public (parking it in a holster isn't using it), but still kill as many people per year. They're clearly far more dangerous.
How about requiring licenses, insurance, registration (ownership), clip limits (speed limits), no go zones (illegal to drive down the sidewalk), age requirement, etc., for guns?
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Marc Ruffalo The only real "American culture" is a culture of immigration and different cultures coming together to make a new one.
So, did Italians all convert to Protestantism, start drinking tea, not let any of their language or foods seep into the "American culture", and give up constantly letting everyone know they're Italian? Fuck no. Italians didn't assimilate to "American culture", "American culture" absorbed Italians, and parts of their culture, gangsters and all.
That's what makes a melting pot. They melt together and make something new. It's simply racists and bigots who single out groups they don't want to absorb. If there should be zero tolerance in "American culture" changing, then Americans should be putting people in the stocks for kissing in public, stringing up even Quakers for not practicing Christianity properly let alone people practicing different religions, and attacking neighbouring towns/cities for improper conduct. All Americans adopt the culture of the original colonizers, and stick with it.
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@DaraParsavand Before getting to Assange, Dore first agreed with the right wing framing of Trump being banned from social media. He didn't point out that there's no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property. He didn't point out that Republicans are the primary supporters of corporations having so much power. He didn't point out that public ownership would give you free speech rights. He didn't point out that inciting an insurrection isn't even protected speech, under the first amendment. Nope, just agreed with Tucker's right wing framing.
Then, and this interview was just as the second impeachment was getting underway, Dore threw Tucker, and his audience, the off topic bone of letting them know he considered the first impeachment to be a sham, helping to reinforce that, in their minds, for the second impeachment.
Finally, he got to Assange. WikiLeaks has been leaning right, in the information it's collecting and releasing. Right wingers love it. So how, exactly, is Assange an entirely leftist issue, at all? Tucker, himself, had already done multiple pro Assange pieces, starting 2 years before Jimmy was even on. There was no disagreement, or debate, on that topic, either.
What did Dore accomplish, exactly?
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@BelowMeGoggle You Dore knobs are such dishonest twits. AOC criticized voting "present" on an important and historical vote, not simply voting "present", in general. Nothing much historical, or significantly important, about voting "present" for a purely defensive system. The Iron Dome doesn't attack Palestinians. So what?
She, and other progressives, have a bill to attach conditions on the annual military aid to Israel. They have an anti anti-BDS laws bill. She actually voted against the State Department appropriation bill, which includes the annual $3.3b in offensive military aid to Israel. It was dishonest of Hinkle to say she voted for it. What she later voted for was the entire government budget, after the appropriation bill was passed, without her. That includes healthcare, education, housing, veteran's benefits, SNAP, SSI, etc., etc., etc. ... things he apparently wanted her to vote against.
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@joshualocicero6799 Bernie is centre-left, not far left. He points to centrist European countries to emulate, with mixed economies. He doesn't call for total economic equality and an end of capitalism, which would be the actual extreme left. In reality, there is no extreme left in US politics. On the other hand, there are numerous extreme right, Ayn Randian, politicians in US politics. So, US politics ranges from far right to centre-left, and simply agreeing with a few of Bernie's suggestions doesn't make one a leftist. Conservatives in most developed countries still agree with having a public health care system. They might not be extreme right economically, but they're still on the right. Everything left of far right isn't "left".
Fascists using language to try and sway workers to their side is exactly the way it worked the first time around. Nazis, for one, weren't socialists any more than North Korea is democratic, simply because the word is in their party name. They may not have been extreme Ayn Randian on economics, but they were still right wing. They destroyed unions, and socialists, communists, and unionists, were the first people they tossed into camps. One of their main arguments against Jews, one of the main reasons they hated them, was that a Jew, Marx, came up with socialism. Playing to the workers was just bullshit, the same as when Republicans do it. Fascists were actually backed by leading industrialists, large land owners, and most church leaders. They were leaders in privatization, turning public tax dollars into private profits. But you can't win elections with only those votes. You have to con some idiots to your side.
As well as simply lying about being on the side of workers, which they aren't, they use other rhetoric, like extreme nationalism, including an ideal national identity. That ideal being "brave" white male heterosexual Christians taking back "their" country. But they're actually cowards, afraid of people different than them.
Spencer has heaped tons of praise on Trump. He's not a freaking leftist.
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@joshualocicero6799 Ugh ...
1. You have zero clue what an ad hom is ...
https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html
2. I never personally claimed Marx invented socialism, you daft twat. I stated that's what the Nazis argued, and one of the reasons they gave for hating Jews. That's just a fact, which I am 100% correct about. I already pointed that out to you, but you were too stupid to grasp it. I made a statement about Nazis, not Marx. Please grasp that this time.
3. Seriously ... arguing that people should just accept their lot in life, give up the class struggle, not fight the upper class, and simply work hard to better yourself, is not freaking socialism, in any sense of the word. That's right wing "American Dream" style bullshit, which doesn't tell you that only outliers manage to change their economic position in life. The vast majority stay in the same bracket their entire lives. Turning public tax dollars into private profits is not socialism, in any sense of the word. That's pretty much the opposite. Confiscating the property and businesses of minority citizens and handing them to your big business backers is not socialism in any sense of the word. Handing your industrialist buddies slave labour is not socialism in any sense of the word. Owning people is a capitalist endeavor.
4. Economics that only apply to a few, is far different than economics that apply to everyone. Even if his country was entirely white, I already pointed out that women wouldn't benefit economically. They'd be nobodies without husbands, and then wives. Screwing 50% of the population seems quite different than Bernie, economically. If we were talking democracy, and one said everyone could vote, and the other said every man could vote, those wouldn't be the same thing. If women can't work, and can't benefit from a minimum wage hike, etc., then their economic policies aren't at all the same. Plus, they've outright said that they need to win people over on the left so, like earlier fascists, and like Republican, and many Democrat, politicians, they're likely just full of shit.
What do you consider yourself? Please don't say ancap.
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@sachinaraszkiewicz785 JP, and his daughter, are the one who made a mockery of anxiety and depression, with their charlatan bullshit. People find the irony and hypocrisy funny, not the condition itself. Kind of like Rush Limbaugh, with his anti-drug, pro war on drugs, tough on crime, rants, getting hooked on painkillers, and then buying his way out of being convicted.
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@auniquedisposition9009 Dore didn't just say f that. He, literally, promoted Trump as the better option, vastly overestimating the benefits, claiming it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong) in 2018, and the presidency (wrong) in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into outright fascism (wrong) and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong).
Do you have some fantasy, that Green candidates, like Kyrsten Sinema, are incorruptible? The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence.
Bernie has always been one of M4A's most ardent supporters and promoters. M4A might not even be part of mainstream conversation, without him running on it. To call him a "sellout", or whatever bullshit, is slander. Justice Dems have added about a dozen M4A yes votes to congress. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 pro-M4A progressives, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Adding enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. It's the exact thing that needs doing. It's the exact thing you'd still need to do, even if there had been a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. To claim those people are "sellouts", or whatever bullshit, is slander. Absolutely nobody ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. That's a bullshit strawman. Absolutely nobody ran on Jimmy's idea of a "rucus", they ran on their own idea of what that means. Another bullshit strawman. While AOC and Bernie were campaigning for Nina, trying hard to add another M4A yes vote to congress, promoting M4A as they were doing it, Dore was posting a video with a lying title claiming that they had both abandoned M4A. Dore was the one who abandoned Nina, and abandoned adding another yes vote to congress.
There's no real disagreement on major policies. This all started with a disagreement over a secondary tactic, that wasn't even very well thought out. Someone supporting the tactic (like Kyle), or someone not, shouldn't have been that big a deal. Dore used a lack of support to slander any progressive that didn't bow down to him. He's someone who didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, promoted Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" (public option) over Bernie and M4A, who now passes himself off as the one true champion of healthcare, and anyone who disagrees is a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer". It's insanity. He doesn't actually give a crap about anyone else.
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@roberttelford745 As usual? Either you've been stalking me for all of 2 hrs, and this is all you've read, or you're a stalker with terrible timing, who keeps missing all the good stuff.
If someone equates "hold their own accountable in a principled way" to the strawmen, slander, and bullshit, that Dore spouts, then it's like talking to a Trump cultist. Anyone who questions, contradicts, or disagrees on tactics, with Supreme Leader Dore, is a "fake", "fraud", "shill", "betrayer", "coward", "sellout", or whatever, and isn't pure enough to be a "real" progressive anymore. Just like the Trump cult calling people RINOs. You lot should try and get PINO trending.
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@roberttelford745 "Russiagate", with a Republican leading the investigation, produced some 200 pages of documented information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to illegal conspiracy, and only didn't indict Jr and Kushner because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. Thinking Republicans like Mueller, the DNC, the FBI, and Australian officials, all teamed up to take out Trump, just so Pence could be president, is the nutty conspiracy.
Multiple UN investigations, and numerous NGOs operating in Syria, support the chemical weapons claim. Dore was right, because a single reporter working in Russia, said otherwise?
Arguing "free speech" on privately owned property is a completely garbage argument. There's no such thing, because you don't have a right to be on their private property in the first place. Make an argument for public ownership, if your a "real" leftist, rather than going on Tucker's show and agreeing with the moronic and contradictory right wingers.
And AOC just got done campaigning for Bernie and his M4A, while Dore was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". She used her platform and PAC to back 20 other progressives, helped take out a few more corporate Dems, and helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress. That's exactly what you need to do to ever pass a bill, exactly what you'd still need to do even if there was a guaranteed to fail vote. Dore, the new one and only true champion of healthcare, didn't give a crap if 10m of the poorest Americans might lose their Medicaid expansion, didn't care to add 40m more older Americans to Medicare, and doesn't give a crap about leading people down the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. All or nothing often gets you nothing. One of those MPP puritan leaders even recently left the MPP, because he decided even they weren't pure enough for him. He'll go along way with his party of one. Reducing your number of allies down to as few pure people as possible isn't a winning strategy.
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@roberttelford745 Whatever amount it affected the election outcome is irrelevant to the fact that it happened. 29 Russians indicted, 3 Russian companies, the other things I mentioned above, none of which you refuted. Republicans impeached Bill Clinton for lying to congress, with no underlying criminal charge. Mueller, a Republican, also laid out evidence that could be considered obstruction, but said they couldn't indict a sitting president.
No. Multiple UN inspections concluded there were chemical attacks. HRW and Doctors Without Borders are amongst NGOs that also corroborate chemical weapons attacks. All of which spoke out against the US, when it came to WMDs in Iraq. Now they've all joined the US to spew fake propaganda is what Dore wants you to believe?
FTV was much ado about nothing. You already had a list of names of those in congress that wouldn't sign the M4A bill. If Dore had 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates laying around, why didn't he run them in the election that just happened? When Pelosi introduced the bill to congress, last session, and it quietly died in committees, where 90% of bills die, why wasn't that, at least, used against all the committee members who didn't push it through? Progressives just got the $15 minimum wage to stay in the covid bill for one round of voting. Now you've got a list of those who voted against. So, what's the Dore plan? Oh, to sit on his ass, in his garage, and whine about those who voted for it, rather than those who voted against. Now, getting a vote isn't worth anything, to him. Dore knobs make out like a guaranteed to fail vote was itself M4A. It isn't. And, like I said, you'd then still have to do exactly what AOC did ... work to replace as many as you can with pro-M4A progressives.
Slandering someone as a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "shill", "betrayer", etc., isn't "a bit of criticism", ffs. It's the kind of thing that got Republicans, who said the election was fine, death threats, when Trump spoke that way about them. Luckily, Dore isn't as influential as he thinks. Trump, who Dore promoted as a better option for progressives than Clinton, not caring if 10m Americans lost their public healthcare, and not caring to add 40m to public healthcare ... and now pretends like he's the one true champion of healthcare. He's a joke. He minimized the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left in blocking the Trump agenda. Reality is, most followed him into overt fascism. Dore claimed the moon would fall into Lake Michigan, before Trump could fill multiple scotus seats. Reality is, the moon is still where it should be. And, he overestimated the benefits, claiming it would lead to a progressive wave that would, "for sure", take the house, senate, and presidency. Reality is, progressives made slight gains, with no evidence they couldn't have made similar gains without a Trump presidency.
Seriously, minimizing your allies to as few puritans as possible, isn't going to get you anything. At best, you peel off enough progressive voters from the Dem party to hand the party totally back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, while your new third party sits on the sidelines. That benefits progressives how? They're the backwards party. It's the party that wants to move in the completely opposite direction.
There's no such thing as "free speech" on private property. Again, argue for public ownership, if you want that right. Someone claiming to be a far lefty, like Dore, should have public ownership in their repertoire. Instead, he's using contradictory right wing talking points. Also, inciting violence isn't even protected speech, to begin with.
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@roberttelford745 Rofl, I don't watch CNN. Dore would be proud of the strawmanning. I didn't say the DNC was an ally. It's Bernie, AOC, and others who campaigned against the DNC and DCCC backed corporate Dems, who are still allies. But, no, they're no longer pure enough for you lot.
The broader progressive caucus is 30 years old and 10-15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems, when they could then pick the party speaker candidate, and run the house, if still in the majority party. Justice Dems are 4 years old and have helped add a few of the most progressive seats in each of the last couple elections. AOC has been around 2 years and just helped add a few of the most progressive seats to congress in the last election. What a perfect time to ditch them all, start from scratch, have no seats, and no ability to introduce a single bill, no ability to add a single amendment, no ability to vote on even a single bill, and likely not have a single seat for decades to come. A winning strategy ... the winners being corporate Dems and Republicans. Weird how Dore strategies benefit those he claims to hate, most.
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There are over 130k truck drivers working in Canada. Those protesting are a very small percentage. Needing an actual passport to cross the border, and needing a vaccine passport to cross the border, have nothing much to do with means of production. Likewise, needing a driver's license, needing insurance, following speed limits, obeying lines, obeying lights, obeying signs, seatbelt laws, etc., have nothing really to do with means of production. A completely worker owned co-op food packing plant, would still have to follow health and safety standards, and whatever other laws that apply.
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@legion999 It depends. Some cultural naming patterns leaned towards naming the first born son after the father's father, and the second born son after the mother's father. Say Michael son of John, has two sons, and he names them John and Joseph. John and Joseph would then both name their first sons, Michael. All good, if there's no repeating names.
But, if the wife's father's name was the same as her husband, then you're heading for trouble. Michael's kids would then be John and Michael (after the wife's father, not him), and that Michael's son would be Michael, and then you're off on an endless string, until someone breaks with tradition.
Someone, like Trump, is obviously not attempting to honour his father, or following a tradition, so likely ego, yeah.
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Forcing the vote won't get you M4A "now".
At best, you get the vote, it fails, and it gives you ammo to use against anti M4A candidates in 2022, so you can run pro M4A candidates against them (exactly like "shill", AOC, just did with her progressive PAC helping elect more progressives to congress), until you elect enough progressives to pass it.
Worse, you don't get the vote, you paralyze the House, and corporate Dems use paralyzing the house as propaganda against the progressives involved ... like arguing progressives won't let them get minimum wage passed, won't let them get lowering social security eligibility passed, and whatever else they can use to make it look like progressives are hurting the people.
Worst, if corporate Dems truly would rather lose to Republicans than give concessions to progressives (as Jimmy himself just argued), they could even orchestrate losing the speakership to McCarthy, and blame progressives. It's majority of votes cast, not majority of the house.
Jimmy's plan isn't 100% risk free.
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@glondokakurswongog3790 Rofl. What a load of crap.
If Dore didn't think he was accomplishing anything, why the hell did he keep bragging about forcethevote trending? If he didn't consider what he was doing as fighting, then why was he doing it? You're making no sense.
He didn't back Bernie in the last election cycle. He backed "Medicare choice" Tulsi. You're spouting bullshit.
If he actually recognized that AOC helped add more M4A yes votes to congress, exactly what you need to do to ever pass the bill, exactly what you'd still need to do even after a guaranteed to fail vote, then he wouldn't make out like she wasn't doing anything. It reduces his own forcethevote "plan" to have a failed vote, and then do nothing.
There was no crime. Pelosi introduced the M4A bill just last session. It died in committees. There was no progressive uprising over it, no mass protests, not even any outrage from Dore himself. It took a single reporter's question to get Biden on record saying he'd veto M4A. Plenty of corporate Dems and Republicans just said they were opposed to it, during their campaigns. Every new session, you get a new list of names of those who don't sign onto the bill. There's no need to threaten to paralyze the house, to get a list of Dems to primary, or Republicans to run against. You've already got a list of some 300+ names. Where were the 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates, that Jimmy has laying around, in the election that just took place? Why didn't he pull them out and run them?
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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It seems like you're just trying to avoid the term "socialism" and/or the term "centrism". You can have partial socialism, just like you can have partial capitalism. Seriously, what do people think centrism is in the centre of? What do people think a mixed economy is a mix of?
If you socialize a sector of the economy, say the health insurance industry, making it publicly owned and operated, then that sector is then run in a socialist fashion. Privately owned and operated schools are run in a capitalist fashion. Publicly owned and operated schools are run in a socialist fashion. Privately owned and operated electric companies are run in a capitalist fashion. Publicly owned and operated electric companies are run in a socialist fashion. Etc. If you went 100% with either, you'd have full blown capitalism or full blown socialism. Centrism is a mix of the two.
"Social democracy", to me, doesn't seem to really describe an economic position, at all. The economic position you described is centrism (the real centre, not the centre of the US's almost completely right of centre political spectrum).
You want to get to central station. The democratic socialist train is heading in that direction. You can take it as far as maybe 50/50 capitalism/socialism, but then you can jump off the train at Central station. And that's fine. It's democratic. If the majority of people aren't ready to move further, then that's fine. That's what a democracy is about. That's the current destination Bernie is headed for, and hasn't suggested going any further, at least not for now.
The Republican train, on the other hand, just keeps chugging further and further right, currently taking the country with it. While the corporate Dem train wants to take you to a fake central station, that's actually between the real central station and the extreme right station, and not truly central, at all.
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@Cha4k No. It means he twists things to suit a narrative. Rogan did not make clear that he was only talking about Moderna. Rogan did not make clear that he was only talking about a second shot of Moderna. So, it is not right, to say that Rogan was right, and that paper doesn't show Rogan was right, because Rogan wasn't talking about just a second shot of Moderna. Plus, there are studies from Denmark, Israel, other UK studies, data from Canada, and Japan, all of which seems to show some variance in myocarditis rates, and don't show Moderna rates over the covid rates, which means one UK study isn't the definitive answer.
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Saying Israel was attacked is like saying the Nazis were attacked by the Warsaw ghetto uprising, and that the Nazis will take apart the Jewish underground.
The IDF has its largest base, a valid military target, in a shopping mall, cowardly using civilians as human shields. The IDF has over 400k militants (reservists), valid military targets, hiding amongst their civilians, cowardly using them as human shields.
Intentionally dropping bombs where you know there are civilians is absolutely not trying to protect civilians. We don't drop bombs on bank hostage situations. We don't drop bombs if domestic terrorists are hiding in an apartment building. We don't drop bombs on gang hideouts, in the middle of a city block. That's what we don't do, when we actually care about civilian lives. This is a total disregard for civilian lives, because they don't care about Palestinian lives.
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Then so should anyone supporting Likud.
Likud was founded by Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun terrorist group, murderer of civilian Palestinian men, women, and children, murderer of Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism), and bomber of the King David Hotel. Israelis elected that terrorist as their PM. Israelis still celebrate those terrorists, as "heroes", to this day.
Likud was also founded by Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages.
Likud's original platform, "between the sea and the Jordan" ...
"The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
There is zero indication that Likud, Netanyahu, isn't still working towards that goal, with the endless colonization of Palestine territories.
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You're a moron. Fascists were backed by big business, backed by religious leaders, backed by large landowners, leaders in privatization, anti-union, anti-socialist, anti-feminist, pro expanding military, pro expanding policing, ultra-nationalists, anti-democratic (which gerrymandering and disenfranchisement is), etc. Nazis were extreme fascists that are also racists and bigots.
Proud Boys are "Alt-right without the racism", according to Gavin McInnes ... not the Nazis the friends they hang out with are, but still fascists.
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@somchai272 Do you have reading comprehension problems? How would there be anyone else to share blame, if Hamas wasn't also to blame? Netanyahu is like the US supporting extremists in Afghanistan, to fight the secular communists. The US helped create Bin Laden, right? The US helped create the Taliban, right? They preferred those extremist values over communism. Netanyahu prefers those extremist values over peace, because he wants to keep killing, colonizing, and ethnically cleansing, the whole thing.
I doubt anyone cares what happens to Hamas itself. Also, if there was peace, there would be no perceived need for Hamas anymore. If a peace deal included merging the two Palestine territories, then the more secular Palestinian Authority, and more secular West Bank laws, could be promoted. Netanyahu put a homophobic Jewish religious extremist in charge of the West Bank. He's more extreme than the West Bank laws.
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@kdemetter How do you feel about feudalism, which even appeared on the US' Western frontier, with cattle barons hiring private armies of cowboys, and throwing their weight around, with little to no government intervention? It was only government law, and enforcers of said laws, finally moving in, that ended conflicts between private citizens.
Why do you pretend like private citizens can't coerse each other? There are, literally, blackmail and extortion laws, to stop private citizens from coercing each other, because they do.
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@johnsmith92704 What the f*ck does Assange actually have to do with left wing policies? Right wingers already like WikiLeaks, more than the left probably. They're already fine with pardoning anyone they like, even war criminals, crooks, and whatnot. They obviously weren't moved to any serious effort to get Trump to pardon him.
Dore mostly just agrees with Tucker, when he goes on. Before getting to Assange, Dore agreed with Tucker about Trump getting booted from social media, without once reminding capitalists that there's no such thing as free speech on someone else's private property and that you get free speech rights with public ownership ... without once reminding right wing psychos that things like incitement and defamation aren't even protected speech anyway. And, this being right before the second, well deserved, impeachment, Dore then let all the right wing nuts know that he agreed with them that the first impeachment was all hooey, helping to fuel the idea that the second one would be, as well.
There's zero evidence that Dore is changing any significant numbers of right wing minds. I run across plenty of right wing trolls, that just use Dore bullshit against progressives to support their own right wing bullshit.
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Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, tried to warn Americans. Their opinion of the founders of Likud: "Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Yeah, it is the vast majority of congress that's to blame, as well, and has been for decades. MR has also been arguing not to support Israel, for years, well before Biden.
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@dggamer2761 Moron. A business covers all of its costs in the price of the goods or services it is selling. If it doesn't, then it doesn't even break even. If a business spent $1000 +$100 input VAT on items for its business, the $1000 would be covered by its own pricing. When their customer then pays that $1000 portion of the price, they pay $100 VAT to the business. The business gets to keep that $100, reclaiming its input VAT. You, the consumer, get to pay a tax on their printers and office supplies, their trucks, their add buys, their data buys, their employee wages, etc., and a tax on their profits.
You really should take a mooment to double check if what someone is saying is true, or not, before doubling, and tripling, down on being stupid there cultist.
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@uncomfortabletruth5915 There was not inflation during the height of shutdowns, dumb dumb. The inflation rate dropped to near zero, last year. The rise in demand came this year, with things reopening, but the low supply rate, hangover from last year, hasn't caught up. If people had been given enough money to keep buying things, last year, then demand and supply wouldn't have dropped off, so much. The money should have gone to the consumers, last year, to keep demand and supply up, instead of to the corporations.
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The Ghey Mantis "Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism." ~ Mussolini
It sounds like your triangle doesn't allow for anarchism ... anarcho-socialism, anarcho-communism. The Marxian ideal is a non authoritarian, stateless, democratic, socialism/communism. That ideal does not share a desire for government power with fascists, in the least. Its complete opposite is an authoritarian, nationalistic, anti-democratic, capitalism. Fascists promoted bootstrapping ... denied class warfare, promoted accepting your lot in life and work hard for the country, and that hard work might pay off. There was not much agreement on equality, either.
It's like you don't actually know what the two things are.
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Pierre has been on the road talking about vehicle thefts, as well. He tells the story of a man who tracked his stolen vehicle with AirTags, followed it to a shipping yard, and ended up being fined for trespassing as his vehicle was leaving. Problem is, this story was reported on. The police, texting with the man, were the ones who ended up at the shipping yard. They didn't have the authority to have the two possible container candidates opened. It was the private railway "police" who were then contacted, and didn't even respond that night, allowing the containers to be shipped. The man wasn't in the yard, and the railway "cops" didn't even show up that night, to be able to fine anyone.
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It was a long war. I'm not sure when it started, but it sure as hell escalated, back in 1942, with that Irving Berlin and Bing Crosby song, Happy Holiday. Sad, that we lost the war, but glad it's finally over. Bing, Andy Williams, Jackie Gleason, Peggy Lee, Johnny Mathis, and more, were all valiant warriors for the cause.
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@mroctober3583 He promoted Trump as better than Clinton. He promoted Stein as having a chance. If he convinced anyone in any 2016 swing state to vote Trump, vote Stein, or to not vote at all, then he helped the lunatic, that has let thousands of Americans die, get elected. Throughout the pandemic, he has basically been running constant attack ads against Trump's only viable opponent, again not seeming to care if the lunatic wins and even more people die.
He's attacking the credibility of the woman whose progressive PAC just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress (exactly the thing you're going to have to do after the vote fails anyway), going against the DCCC. Corporate Dems have openly stated that's why she was punished and not given the committee seat she wanted. She's punching and getting punched, and Dore knob throws in a kick, accusing her of being a "shill" and "wimp".
He doesn't care if he undermines progressive politicians, because he's promoting a People's Party, which would be starting from scratch, and wouldn't get you enough seats to pass M4A for decades, if ever.
If Dore has 100 pro-M4A progressive candidates in his back pocket, why didn't he pull them out for the election? If he and Briahna want pro-M4A protests, then why haven't they been coordinating with the DSA's M4A rallies, all along? You know ... before the election that just fucking happened. He was more worried about shit Obama (no longer a politician) was saying, or Colbert crying. Dore has his own healthcare, and doesn't give a crap if he tears everything and everyone down to start over.
Nothing to lose? What if corporate Dems just keep putting Pelosi back as their speaker candidate over and over again, or even someone to the right of her? Do you just keep paralyzing the house, as they blame progressives for not being able to pass minimum wage, or student debt relief, or lowering social security, or whatever else people just voted for? Jimmy, himself, just argued that corporate Dems would rather lose to Republicans than work with progressives. The dimwit didn't recognize that that's an argument against his own strategy because, if that's really true, then that gives progressives less leverage, and means they could orchestrate something even worse with Republicans, and blame progressives.
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*centuries
... other religions, non religious, other denominations, "witches", PDA, women's ankles, women's knees, women's thighs, women in pants, women in the workplace, ... the list is indeed endless.
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@alabamaman1684 There are dozens of people with weapons charges, dingbat ... bear spray, stun guns, tazers, baseball bats, tomahawks, chemical spray, hockey sticks, axe handles, crowbars, batons, knives, flagpoles, ice axe ... and I'm pretty sure you don't make pipe bombs and a working gallows, on the fly.
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@alabamaman1684 Ironic post, considering I didn't say anything about "murdered police officers", and yet there you are shooting your wad over your own lie.
Rofl. Riiiight, "allegedly". You have to be completely ignorant, if you haven't seen a single picture or video of weapons, that were brought, being used, like police batons, bats, bear spray, or the guy showing off his stun gun, etc. Only someone unfathomably stupid would see absolutely nobody armed. And, you completely ignored the pipe bombs and the working gallows that they wanted to hang Pence on, which clearly take a lot of preparation time, on top of being weapons.
Rofl. There are documented tips and warnings, outlining some very specific things that happened, that the FBI didn't act on. Those wouldn't exist, if there was zero preparation.
But, at least we've established that you don't accept anything that hasn't been proven in court, so no stolen election. And, we've established that you're highly trustful of the FBI, so no FBI instigators on Jan 6, plus the FBI concluded Russia had interfered in both 2016 and 2020. And, we've established that Kyle got away with murder, since he wasn't actually afraid of girly men.
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Rofl. Mueller actually provided hundreds of pages of evidence, showing collusion that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy. All it took was two lying words, "no collusion", from your cult leader, for the cultists to ignore hundreds of pages, and Mueller's own words that the report didn't absolve Trump. Mueller indicted 26 Russians and Russian companies. He indicted a bunch of Trump's staff. The report stated they only didn't indict Jr and Kushner, because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law.
Provide an ounce of evidence 2020 was rigged. If there was an ounce of evidence, FOX wouldn't have settled the defamation case against them. Same with all the other defamation cases. You cultists cried and cried about 60+ cases being tossed out, not getting a day in court, and when opportunity comes along ... nothing. All absolute bullshit. If there was a single ounce of evidence, all the insurrectionists could have proved they were the ones fighting to save democracy, not overthrow it ... nothing. All absolute bullshit. If there was a single ounce of evidence, Trump and co-defendants should be rushing into court to finally prove the election was stolen! Nope. Trump is stalling, and co-defendants are flipping and pleading guilty ... nothing. Absolute bullshit.
6 investigations into Hillary, while she was Trump's political opponent ... all found nothing to charge her with. More Republican and Trump bullshit. People forget, but Dumpty claimed that election was stolen too, claimed he actually won the popular vote. He set up his own election integrity commission, and they found ... nothing. Just pure bullshit out of Trump's mouth.
Trump and you cultist also started trying to imply Biden was a criminal, while he was Trump's 2020 opponent, and still haven't stopped while he's Trump's 2024 opponent. Still ... nothing. Just absolute bullshit from the Trumpty Dumpty cult.
Get it? Do you actually grasped the difference between evidence and no evidence? Trump is being charged, because there's actual evidence of crimes. Trump has been a criminal since he was in diapers, thanks to his tax dodging daddy. Fined for breaking laws many times, lost lawsuits for being a grifter, lost lawsuits for being a racist, lost divorces for being a cheater, ... you picked one of the biggest losers in the world, to be your cult leader.
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Israel is the one operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, dumb dumb. They control the borders, the airspace, the ports, electricity, water, goods going in and out, plus Bibi even controls the flow of money from Qatar, having the ability to turn it off and on, when he wants, and has a number of times.
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Canada's system needs improving. We only rank better, overall, than the US, amongst developed countries, so pointing to Canada isn't some big gotcha. It's a federal/provincial partnership, with the provinces being in charge of their own healthcare systems, and the federal government adding funds to it. A province like Quebec actually has more private involvement than Ontario, but has higher wait times. So, it's not simply single payer = longer wait times.
We don't have tens of thousands dying due to being uninsured, don't have hundreds of thousands going bankrupt from healthcare debt, and don't have millions going to other countries to find healthcare they can afford. If some Canadians with money decide they don't want to wait for non life threatening elective procedures, and go elsewhere, so be it. That's still rare. Most Canadians who get healthcare in the US, happen to already be in the US, and need healthcare while there, like all the elderly Snowbirds. They don't actually go to the US specifically for healthcare.
It's like triage, where those who need it most go first, instead of those who can afford it most go first. We have higher life expectancies, lower infant mortality rates, lower maternal mortality rates, etc. By the most common measures, used to rate healthcare worldwide, Canada beats the US in outcomes.
If your superficial comparison was valid, all single payer countries should have longer wait times, but the UK's system (the most socialized and usually rated #1) scores better than the US in timeliness of care. They also produce more medical papers per capita, than the US.
We also have room to almost double the amount of money invested into our healthcare, to make improvements, before hitting US cost levels. A number of issues with single payer systems come from conservative parties not funding them enough.
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@Warrenmitchum Rofl. You're the one who deflected from Trump, to whatabout these other people, dummy. By your own "logic", that means your ideas are failing.
Democratic states, like Japan, S Korea, Australia, New Zealand, who all had great responses? Democratic states like Norway, Denmark, Finland, Germany, Canada, who had mediocre responses, that still would have saved hundreds of thousands of American lives? It was countries with shit responses that were hit hardest.
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@ToxicAudri The details of how a UBI is paid for is important, and he kept saying that giant corporations would pay into it, and kept comparing his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by oil companies. The thing is that a VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation (which would be worse anyway). Yang even posted a link to a pass through rate study that he didn't grasp, or lied about. What it actually showed was a near 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services. It was only by adding lesser rated and zero rated goods and services that the pass through rate dropped. Yang claimed that indicated businesses were paying for a large portion of the tax, when it actually meant that a large portion had less tax or no tax (zero rated are staples that people buy most). The final consumer was still paying the entire VAT.
Without corporations paying for it, or even into it, then all they get is the benefit of extra trillions being spent. Instead of taxing Amazon, as Yang said, they would make extra tens of billions a year, which would make Bezos extra billions a year. He could buy a brand new $500m yacht, every year, pay $50m in VAT, and still have extra billions left over. Also, in a future that's increasingly automated, you can't have increasingly unemployed consumers paying for their own UBI. You need corporations to pay the people, like the Alaskan dividend he kept comparing his to, like he kept saying it should be. His words didn't match his actual plan.
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You wake up, dumb dumb. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Okay, but a $10m salary isn't really "super rich". That's just "rich". Also, getting a salary doesn't tend to go hand in hand with "indolent". The actual indolent super rich billionaires don't tend to get a taxable salary, or claim a low taxable salaries. Bezos claims a salary of about $80k. Tesla claims a salary of about $24k. I don't think Gates even gets a salary anymore, nor much of the Walton family. Billionaires live on non-taxable lines of credit taken out against their stock values. So, while you might be raising the social security percentage on high end entertainers, doctors, lawyers, millionaire business owners, etc., who do work for their money, indolent super rich billionaires living off stocks and options will still pay jack shit into social security.
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@h..8083 I found that the developers bought the property over a year ago, and didn't find anything about Dave making threats, then. Some of that land was in a neighboring county, so the city annexed that, last summer, and didn't find anything about Dave making threats, then. The developers already introduced a first zoning plan, that was approved in Nov, and didn't find anything about Dave making threats, then. Then came this second zoning plan, which included assigning land to affordable housing, and lo and behold, Dave shows up making threats against it. Now it's just back to the original zoning plan.
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@paulnejtek6588 When I first posted this, 6 months ago, I tried including links, but YouTube didn't like and deleted. You can find a bunch of the info on the Jewish Virtual Library: Ze'ev Jabotinsky's Iron Wall, population of Palestine mandate and first 1948 population of IL, Likud's 77 platform. Google: Einstein letter NYT 1948, Israel celebrates Irgun. Wiki (like with any Wiki, just double check it's sourced properly): 1945 Village Statistics (has actual scans), Irgun, Lehi, Irgun attacks, revisionist Zionism, Likud (1999 platform), etc. The JVL and The Balfour Project also have earlier British reports, and other mandate info. You can search British Hansard for mandate era parliament debates, as well.
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@ValleyPooch If everyone wanted to be entirely accurate, they'd admit that almost every country in the world is running a mixed, capitalist-socialist, economy, where some sectors are privately owned and operated, and some sectors are publicly owned and operated. The only entirely capitalist countries are the remaining absolute monarchies. There are no entirely socialist countries ... not Venezuela ... not Cuba ... not China ...
If everyone wanted to be entirely accurate, they'd admit there's no actual "far left" in US politics, and Bernie is a centrist, centre-left, while most Democrat politicians are right of centre, and many Republican politicians are extreme right, promoting the ideas of Ayn Rand (about as far right as you can get).
Really, the only difference between social democracy and democratic socialism is how far you want to go. Up to a certain point, they look pretty much the same. And, seeing as how they're both democratic, it's really up to the voters to decide whether to hold, or move forward. There are far more inaccurate terms being used.
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@whyamimrpink78 You only listed one factor, in your defense of Florida ... older population. Now you're just moving the goalposts. You get that Alaska is largely empty, and that the vast majority of the population is actually packed into a small portion of the state, yeah? Over a third of the population lives in one city. The British Isles are islands, and dimwit Boris had a crappy initial COVID response, until he caught it himself. Mississippi is the worst state, and comes in 37th in population density and 32nd in median age. Arkansas is the second worst, and comes in 35th and 33rd. Oklahoma is third worst, and comes in 47th and 35th. They are, however, redder than Florida.
West Virginia is tied with Vermont, for 4th oldest population. They are 29th and 31st for population density. West Virginia is the 5th worst state. Vermont is the best. WV, however, voted 68% Trump, while Vermont voted 66% Biden. Face it, dimwitted Republicans have been killing themselves.
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Look at countries that are flattening their curves. They've gotten ahead of the virus by testing beyond those showing symptoms. Their total infected and confirmed infected numbers have to be close to the same, to get ahead of the spread, and largely contain it. S Korea's mortality rate is about 2%. Australia's curve appears to be flattening, and their mortality rate is about 1%. A cruise ship also provided us with a control group, almost all of who were tested in Japan. Their total and confirmed numbers are the same, and they had a mortality rate of 1.5%. The virus appears to have an actual mortality rate of about 1-2%, which is 10x deadlier than the flu. Factors, such as an older population, more smokers, more diabetics, more people with heart disease or asthma, more pollution, etc., could increase that rate. Likewise, less of those things could lower that rate.
So, if 26k deaths is 1-2% of the actual total infected, then the US would actually have about 2.6-5.2m infected and, unless you speed up testing and find most of those missing hundreds of thousands of infected, quickly, they will go around spreading the virus, and those numbers will just keep increasing. Personally, I think the US is too far behind the virus, and is fucked. You should be at, at least, double the number of total tests, by now.
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@justanotherguy1794 Progressive house members did get the $15 minimum to stay in the covid relief bill, when it was first talked about taking it out because it might not get by senate rules, and it passed the house. People were already griping that the covid relief didn't go out the day after Biden was inaugurated. How many times should the bill have bounced back and forth between the house and senate? Who in the senate was going to suddenly change their minds?
AOC did use her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A candidates, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. A guaranteed to fail vote, isn't itself M4A. Dore uses fake support percentages for how wildly popular he claims M4A is. If you actually look at the Pew survey he referred to, it's only 54% of Dems that want all out M4A, and only 36% of Americans. There wouldn't have been some massive uprising over it failing to pass. Half of congress just got done an election cycle, and pretty much every voter knew where their candidates stood on healthcare, when they voted.
She also campaigned for Bernie and M4A, while Jimmy was pushing Tulsi and "Medicare choice". Jimmy is also the guy who didn't give two shits if 10m of the poorest Americans lost their Medicaid expansion, and didn't care to add 40m older Americans to Medicare. He also doesn't care if he leads people down the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. What he promotes doesn't actually indicate that he cares if anyone gets healthcare coverage anytime soon.
The broader progressive caucus is some 10-15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. I think people should stick with the Justice Dem approach, until they're the majority, can pick the party speaker candidate, can control the house if still the house majority, and then see what they do. I think giving up on them, when it's that close, to go some decades long route that doesn't get you even a single vote for or against even a single bill because you don't have a seat isn't a winning strategy.
Technically, even Bernie is a centrist, out in the real world, but I think he, and a number of other progressives, are genuine. Might not always agree on tactics though, and disagreeing on a single secondary tactic shouldn't be the end all and be all of the relationship, or support.
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The single state solution would actually be easier. You'd only have to convince the Palestinians. Israel, well before Netanyahu, has shown no desire to compromise, and give back land it had stolen, to make a two state solution possible. For a single state solution, Palestinians would just simply have to surrender. Israel has indicated it wants to own the entirety of Israel/Palestine, so let them. They are now the government of Palestine, as well. Demand equal rights, a right of return for Palestinian refugees, and part of the federal budget, to raise the Palestinians' standard of living.
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@SMP1993 There's math involved. There are zero extra votes to try and draw from to the left of progressives. It is absolutely impossible to pass a bill without Manchin. On the other end, there is the entire Republican party to try and draw votes from. It is entirely possible to pass a bill without Bernie, by picking up a single Republican vote.
In a stand off, between both ends of the party, a bill would more likely be amended to the right, than the left. The bill would have to be "must pass" to Manchin, to have any leverage. If he doesn't give a crap if it dies, then you've got zero leverage, as we've seen. And, if he can get enough Republicans on board, by making concessions to them, then he doesn't need your votes, as we've seen.
What's a bill that Manchin considered "must pass", that required squad votes to pass?
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@alabamaman9476 Never said anything about northern and southern, or anything about states. I said red counties vs blue counties and vaccinated vs unvaccinated. All of those things are in every state. If the covid rate is lower in the south, due to weather, it's still the redder counties and unvaccinated dying at higher rates, there. If the covid rate is higher in the north, due to weather, it's still the redder counties and unvaccinated dying at higher rates, there. Texas is in the south and they just put out a report that's in line with the national situation, 85% of deaths are unvaccinated. So, in all the battleground purplish districts, if covid is killing off Republican voters 8 to 2, for the next year, that increases the odds of Dems coming out on top.
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@majorlazor5058 Yeah, a VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses, in order to avoid double taxation. Every step in the chain gets to reclaim their input VAT, except the final consumer, so they end up paying the entire VAT. As soon as he presented it as a way to tax corporations like Amazon, I just laughed. Amazon UK even had its own tutorial pages on how a VAT doesn't tax businesses.
Arguing with some of his cult, they'd move to ... well, price elasticity will make businesses eat some of the price increase, and indirectly pay some taxes, blah blah ... but Yang himself posted a link to a pass through rate study that he didn't grasp, or intentionally misrepresented. It showed a near 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services, and it was only by adding lesser rated and zero rated goods and services that the pass through rate dropped. Yang used the overall dropped rate to claim businesses were paying a significant portion of the VAT, when it actually meant there was less tax, or no tax, on a significant portion of the sales (staples, what people buy most, are largely zero rated).
He repeatedly made out like his dividend was similar to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by oil corporations, when it's totally not. If you don't have corporations paying for, or even paying a significant portion of, the dividend, then they only get the benefit of extra trillions a year being spent, funneling money to the very top to be hoarded. Yang would have been making his buddy Musk extra billions a year. Musk probably knew it, because Tesla operates in VAT countries.
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@stevenkalavity9879 Whether a virus was natural or man-made is totally irrelevant to how pathetically some countries responded. All countries started out with the same information, and some responded very well. And there was no actual evidence, and still isn't. Just a possibility. Nobody died from a lack of speculating it was man-made.
So what if my newsstand doesn't want to carry your newspaper anymore? There's no guaranteed right for you to sell your crap, or peddle information, through someone else's business, or on their private property. It isn't public property. If you want rights on social media, argue for public ownership.
They also weren't providing verifiable evidence about Hunter Biden, making it look like they were the ones trying to influence an election. Hunter travelled across the country, dropped off multiple laptops, to a blind repair man, who can't identify him and took zero personal information to contact him ... just take our word for it. Sounds nonsensical. Tucker was going to provide evidence, it supposedly disappeared, he supposedly got it back, and then he never presented it.
Seriously, if you think losing your Twitter account amounts to losing your free speech, then you have an addiction problem. They can only control what's on their private property, which has always been the case for private property.
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@purklepanda5574 That guy's public statements, and dislike for conservatives, date back to 2012. He was someone who hated conservatives, that became a Bernie supporter. Bernie didn't incite him to hate conservatives. And, what's complete misinformation about saying Republicans healthcare plan is to let people die, when that's exactly what the status quo allows to happen, and they have no plan to change things ... for the better (they did plan to boot 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion)?
Trump started a months long propaganda campaign, starting even before election night, with constant, almost daily, bullshit. Those who stormed the capitol didn't all already believe the election would be rigged. He convinced them that it would be, and was ... which is entirely bullshit.
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@afridgetoofar1818 A grifter, like a snake oil salesmen, claims to be selling you something beneficial, but they're actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful.
So, for example, Dore sells himself as being for M4A, but the directions he proposes going actually get you nothing, or something worse. He promoted Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion) ... which is something worse. He promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A) ... outright campaigning against the M4A candidate. He promotes the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence ... which gets you nothing, or, if you do manage to persuade just enough voters away from progressives, hands the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and let's Republicans rule for decades to come, which is worse. Adding M4A yes votes to congress (as Justice Dems and AOC have done) is the only possible way to ever pass the bill ... Dore using a lack of support for a performance art vote, that doesn't actually get you any closer to getting M4A, to slander those who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, is counterproductive. While AOC and Bernie were campaigning, teying to add another M4A yes vote to congress, in Nina Turner, and promoting M4A while they were doing it, Dore slandered them as having abandoned M4A, meanwhile Dore publicly abandoned Nina and promoted never voting for someone running as a Dem ever again ... it was him that abandoning adding another M4A yes votes to congress, which is counterproductive. He, and Blumenthal, have spread bullshit about the UK healthcare system, which is a completely socialized healthcare system, even more left than M4A, regarding vaccines ... counterproductive. That goes along with him spreading doubt and misinformation about vaccines in the US, which is government negotiated prices for freely distributed vaccines, a tiny sliver of what universal healthcare is like, and Dore peddles unproven, privately paid for, alternative remedies and prevention ... counterproductive.
In what reality, outside him simply mouthing words, as grifters do, is there any indication he actually wants to achieve M4A?
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@neon-kitty Having a progressive on the show doesn't make it a progressive show. Stopped watching before the cast switch. There was less debate on Rising than there was on Crossfire or Hannity and Combes. Saagar, who's supposedly an anti-Trump conservative, regularly softened just how bad Trump is, making it seem like Trump is just a little over the top and not a batshit crazy fascist. Likewise, for Trump's cult, who he made out like they were just being a little silly. And, I don't recall him ever leading Republicans down a path towards not voting for Trump.
Krystal, on the other hand, was really trashing Biden (Trump's only remaining viable opponent) and telling progressives that they don't owe Biden their vote.
What's the overall message, if it says Trump isn't all that bad, Biden is bad, don't stop voting Republican, but possibly stop voting Democrat?
Or, even in the primaries, with the repeated fawning over Yang (who would have had money flowing to the very top faster than ever before, because he's completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, as to how a VAT actually works) ... Bernie had a really tough fight in 2016, and lost. That was running as the only progressive, and getting all the progressive votes. Going into the 2020 primaries, everyone should have known that every single vote taken away from him would be extremely important, and likely help produce another progressive loss. But, people still peddled multiple other "progressives". That kind of stuff is all simply a math problem. If you're taking a vote away from the most competitive progressive, then you're lowering his odds of winning, which lowers the odds of a progressive winning, at all.
I started feeling like Krystal and Saagar were a gateway down a path that ends with Dore and a Boogaloo, and their comment section was reflecting that more and more.
Kim Iverson went batshit crazy during covid. To normalize her is insane. Her moronic, look how great Sweden is doing (regularly the worst country in Europe, at the time), covid will end with warm weather, and generally shitty covid attitude is likely what killed one of her own staff, but she powered on.
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@rabbitsforyang8273 Hey, dumb dumb, I'm simply pointing out the fact that a VAT doesn't do what Yang claims it does. He even linked to a study that completely debunked what he said it does. He just didn't grasp it. Nothing you can say, denying reality, won't ever change that fact.
I've also commented on other topics, when they come up again, and again, for years, on channels I'm subscribed to. Do you not do that, or do you just hunt down Yang videos, all over YouTube, like a cultist?
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@aheroictaxidriver3180 Our brains, and the thoughts they produce, objectively exist. A "problem" may be subjective (based on personal feelings, biases, likes/dislikes, etc.), but our subjective thoughts objectively exist. We have instruments, that can map where objectively existing thoughts and feelings are produced in the brain. There's no magic, or spirits ... no "mystical" gobbledygook ... needed. Everything that's subjectivity based isn't "mystical". People's values objectively exist ... what they value is subjective ... and, if they aren't appealing to magic and spirits, or whatnot, then there's nothing "mystical" about it. But, I get how you might think that that brain of yours having a thought is pure magic.
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@brusher79 If your starting hospitalization numbers are based on the total population, then you want to compare it to the crude mortality rate, not case fatality rate, not infection fatality rate ...
Case fatality rate (CFR):
The CFR is easy to calculate. You take the number of people who have died from the disease, and you divide it by the total number of people diagnosed with the disease. So if 10 people have died, and 100 people have been diagnosed with the disease, the CFR is [10 / 100], or 10%.
Crude mortality rate
The crude mortality rate – sometimes also called the crude death rate – measures the share among the entire population that have died from a particular disease. It’s calculated by dividing the number of deaths from the disease by the total population. For instance, if there were 10 deaths in a population of 1,000, the crude mortality rate would be [10 / 1,000], or 1%.
Infection fatality rate (IFR)
The IFR is the number of deaths from a disease divided by the total number of cases. If 10 people die of the disease, and 500 actually have it, then the IFR is [10 / 500], or 2%.
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@Evirthewarrior You seem to be doing what you accused others of ... moving the dial left, just because a government becomes more authoritarian. Even if a government forces a company to make something, but lets the company keep the profits, in what reality is that socialism? No changes in classes, and an end to the class struggle. No worker control. No wealth redistribution. You just seem to be equating "state" to "socialism", and therefore it can't possibly be authoritarian state capitalism.
Fascists were leaders in privatization ...
http://www.ub.edu/graap/bel_Italy_fascist.pdf
https://daily.jstor.org/the-roots-of-privatization/
Fascism isn't even trying to be socialism, at all, let alone some perfect version of it ...
"Fascism is therefore opposed to Socialism to which unity within the State (which amalgamates classes into a single economic and ethical reality) is unknown, and which sees in history nothing but the class struggle."
"Such a conception of life makes Fascism the resolute negation of the doctrine underlying so-called scientific and Marxian socialism, the doctrine of historic materialism which would explain the history of mankind in terms of the class struggle and by changes in the processes and instruments of production, to the exclusion of all else."
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@Xpistos510 The basic VAT formula for a business is ...
x = input VAT (collected on sales)
y = output VAT (paid on expenses)
x - y = z
If z > 0, the business repays itself for y from the x it collected, and sends z to the government. It has paid 0 in the end.
If z < 0, the business keeps all of x it collected, and gets a refund for z from the government. It has paid 0 in the end.
It is only the final consumer that doesn't get paid back, so ends up paying the entire VAT.
Paying the businesses back is based on the basic principle that, if you leave it as a cost, they'll include it in their price anyway, and then the next stage would end up paying taxes on taxes. You find that in some places where businesses don't get a sales tax exemption. They'll pay sales tax on an expense, add that sales tax they paid into their own sale price, and then a portion of the sales tax on their sale is a tax upon a tax. After multiple stages, you get cascading taxes upon taxes upon taxes... So, even if Yang didn't use the VAT formula, and did use a sales tax, attempting to tax businesses, it would actually end up being even worse. Consumption taxes aren't the way to go, to attempt to tax businesses.
So, then you get Yang cultists, like SR, arguing price elasticity, or whatnot, claiming that, even though the VAT might not directly tax businesses, businesses will adjust their pre tax prices down, effectively eating some of the tax, paying some indirectly. But, Yang's own linked to pass through rate study totally debunks that argument. If you actually read it, it shows an almost 100% pass through on standard rated (20% VAT) goods and services. It was only by including lesser rated (8% VAT), and zero rated (0% VAT), goods and services, that the overall pass through rate dropped to around 50%. Yang mistakenly took that to mean that businesses were paying half the tax, when it actually means that there was less tax, or no tax, on most of the sales (the zero rated category is for staples, the necessities that people buy most), and that consumers were paying the entire tax, on what was taxed. The lesser rated category even showed that not only did businesses mark up their price to include the entire 8% VAT, but they marked it up even a bit more, for a little added profit.
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@sps000111 What the hell are you blathering about? What S Korea and Japan consider bad, and freak out about, is not at all anywhere close to what idiots like you consider perfectly acceptable. Their covid death rates would translate to under 20k US covid deaths, total. If Japan is a mess, then the US response was a complete and utter disaster.
Aside from them and New Zealand, there's also Vietnam and Australia that had very good results. All but Japan had very high testing rates, quickly testing dozens to hundreds of people per confirmed case. The US, UK, France, Spain, and Italy, were all testing at pathetically low rates, under 10 people per confirmed case, for many months, allowing the virus to spread.
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@dalekrenegade2596 Yeah, and the lack of self awareness, in these people is astounding. They're hanging on every word of a loudmouth grifter; who slanders anyone who disagrees with him, including others on his side; who sows distrust in all media, healthcare professionals, scientists, and authorities, etc., that contradict his narrative; who throws henchmen (anonymous producers) under the bus, if wrongdoing is unearthed; ... they're very much like Trumpists, even the projecting onto others, that it's you that's the sheep, and not them.
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@loverainthunder You both praised one woman for getting a shot at a committee seat, and criticized another woman for getting a shot at the exact same committee seat. That's incoherent. It makes zero sense. They both got exactly the same thing from Pelosi, a nomination as a candidate for the spot. And it wasn't "magic" that lost AOC the vote. A couple voters publicly stated they voted against her because she backed progressives against them in the primaries ... for fighting against them. Then you nimrods come along, and slander her, pretending she's not fighting them.
She was just fighting them again, by backing Nina, by being on the ground campaigning for her, by promoting M4A, and fighting against the DNC backed candidate to try and add another M4A advocate to congress. Dore publicly abandoned Nina, and promoted never voting for anyone running as a Democrat ever again. He abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress. He's a lying grifter, who doesn't actually care if anyone ever gets healthcare coverage. Anyone defending him doesn't care either. Thankfully, he's just a narcissist with delusions of grandeur, and only actually represents a few hundred thousand progressive voters, who vote third party.
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@thegheymantis8702 He convinced tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any politicians, any judges, any lawyers, any election or other governmental officials, any doctors, any nurses, any scientists ... anybody ... even not to believe their own lying eyes, if any of those contradicted him, Supreme Leader. He pulled off the most Big Brother like propaganda campaign in US history. He also convinced 28% of Republicans surveyed that he shouldn't concede to Biden, under any circumstances ... to embrace overt fascism and stay in power as an unelected ruler. And a number of those psychos actually stormed the capitol, to try and make that happen. How much more would it take for you to recognize extremism, on your own?
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Her words have helped raise money for charities and causes, helped add more progressives to congress, helped promote progressive ideas to millions, etc. Plus, unlike any third party candidates, or social media commentators, her words also won her her own seat in congress, which also allows her to do other things, like submit bills, join committees and interrogate corporate douchebags, vote on bills, etc. But hey, maybe it would be better to team up with far right ancappers, that praise the shooting of BLM and Antifa protesters, than her.
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@Banana_Split_Cream_Buns It was very high testing rates that was the saving grace for New Zealand, Australia, S Korea, Vietnam (one of the longest borders with China), and a few others who responded very well. Be grateful of your leadership, and not just grateful you're on an island. Look up tests per confirmed case rates. Those countries tested in the high double digits to hundreds of people per confirmed case. Meanwhile, countries like the US, UK (an island nation), Italy, and others with the highest death rates, had low testing rates throughout much of the pandemic. Countries like Canada, Germany, Denmark, Norway, had higher testing rates than the second group, but lower testing rates than the first group, and had medium results.
Canada and the US are effectively islands, relative to China, which is an ocean away. The US' troubles weren't caused by people walking the virus in from Canada and Mexico. It flew in, and the response was terrible, and what we're considering bad, here in Canada, is a 3x lower death rate than the US. Even though our response was mediocre, we've done a lot better. Canada's deaths per million rate would translate into 300+k fewer deaths in the US, if they had had a mediocre response, like ours.
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@lespaulismore4538 Not released and "sealed" are two different things. Obama did not go out of his way to seal his school records. Steering you back on track, when you go off the rails, doesn't equate to defending anything, and there's nothing to defend, because you were spouting bullshit. Tsk, tsk.
So, now that we're done with your irrelevant whataboutObama, the point is that a narcissistic braggart wouldn't threaten to sue people to hide his awesomeness. In fact, they might "accidentally" leak how awesome they are, themselves.
Threatening to sue even proves he's an idiot, because they can't release his records without his permission anyway. It's like him making doctors, who are already bound by doctor patient confidentiality, to sign NDAs. It's just evidence there's something bad he doesn't want people to see.
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@web-angel You're failing at the math you were promoting. All Dems would have to do is adjust their bills to pick up 6, or more, Republican votes, and ignore you. You couldn't hold up anything. Like bringing in the Republicans who have their own $10 minimum wage bill, and doing $10 instead of $15. Dems on the right have more leverage because they can possibly bring in extra votes. There is the entire Republican party to the right of them. There are zero extra votes to the left of progressives, whether they part of the party, or not. They can't bring in extra votes, if votes on the right end of the Democratic party are lost. They can only ever push things as far left as the right end of the Democratic party is willing to go, and can't offer anything if votes on the right end are lost. There's a reason why the right end has more leverage. And it's exactly the math you were talking about. 6 votes at one end and 6 votes at the other aren't exactly samesies, if one end can bring in extra votes, and the other can't, in the case of a standoff.
They've voted against things. They've made pretty good use of speaking and committee debate times. They've introduced bills and amendments. They've helped move public opinion. Zero seats, and zero attention, won't even get you that. Not a single vote on even a single bill. Libertarians, the most popular third party, get none of that, and are treated as largely irrelevant. AOC backing 20 other progressives, helping to add more M4A yes votes to congress, helping to remove a few more corporate Dems, pissing off the people Dore knobs falsely claim she has sold out to, isn't treated as irrelevant.
There's a difference between the corporate press criticizing M4A, when you present it, and them simply being able to point at the fact that you're delaying covid relief.
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@wenlisman Didn't all that nationalism cause hundreds of years worth of wars? The "Brits", Britons, actually ended up being ruled by Romans, Angles, Saxons, Norsemen, and then by French Normans, who were themselves formerly Norsemen. The "Scots" were Irish who came to rule over the Picts. The "French" Franks were a Germanic tribe, who conquered lands from Romans, who had conquered lands from Gauls. Etc. Etc. Etc.
And, none of all that fighting over, and drawing up of arbitrary borders, by religious fanatics of mixed ethnicities and cultures, that didn't keep much of anything original and seperate, has little to do with later decisions about forms of government. It was actually the conquest of Byzantine culture, sending many west, and bringing their ancient Greek philosophy with them, that led to the enlightenment, and more modern forms of government. It was the loss of a "European" nation, and the mixing of their culture and ancient writings, with others, that led down the path towards modern democracies.
Under normal circumstances, isn't it better to have a freer and more open border, like a Nordic Passport Union, a Schengen Area, etc.?
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@bozeeke Nah, the Nazis were more the racists. Fascists don't have to necessarily be racists. So, you don't think the people literally waving Nazi flags, waving Tiki torches shouting about Jews, waving Confederate flags, and other white supremacist symbols/flags toting nutjobs, spewing hate at "Unite the Right" rallies, and the like, are the racist Nazis? But, people who want hate speech laws (like in Canada and other developed countries) are the Nazis? You know that sounds insane, right?
Lol, how is the "complete opposite" of socialism, not capitalism? Or is capitalism not right wing?
Fascism promotes ultra-nationalism, and "collectivism" in putting the country first (like "America First", and calling different politics "unAmerican") but, it does not promote economic collectivism. It promotes rugged "heroic" individualism and denies the class struggle, you know ... accept your lot in life, pull yourself up by the bootstraps, and do the best you can ... It simply argues that all those different classes work together for the good of the country.
Again, the closest thing to a dictatorial leader, is the one currently fighting to have valid votes thrown out, and has 27% of Republicans saying he shouldn't concede under any circumstances.
Fascists were leaders in privatization, actually. They were backed by leading industrialists, large land owners, and religious authoritarians. Hitler promised his industrialist backers he wouldn't redistribute wealth in any significant way, and literally killed off any prominent party members who wanted such a thing to happen. Fascists practice crony capitalism.
There are US Republican politicians, and even a party that get millions of votes, who promote far right economics, a la Ayn Rand, etc. Are there any US politicians getting significant numbers of votes, who even promote economics that would move the US left of Denmark (a centrist country), let alone to the actual far left (100% publicly owned and operated economy)?
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@TripleDDDD "Wasteful wars" doesn't equate to "all wars".
“In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk. When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” - Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Tribune-Herald, 2016
Basically every war, since 9/11, was started on the grounds of fighting terrorism.
"So, as long as these Islamic jihadists are waging war against us, we have to work to defeat them militarily and ideologically." - Tulsi Gabbard, FOX News, 2021
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@aemonbane1398 You have mistaken Jimmy's argument. He did consider Trump worse, outright called him a raving fascist. Dore's stupid argument was that a Trump presidency would result in a massive progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming that it would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (nope) and senate (nope), in 2018, and the presidency (nope), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republican lawmakers would join the left in voting against the Trump agenda (nope), rather than follow him into fascism (nope, they did), and when debating Sam, claimed Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong again). He's a loon, and an idiot, that doesn't care if other people's suffering is increased, for however many years it takes to fulfill his fantasy.
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@seanhovan7426 Rofl. Trump (the government) convinced tens of millions of idiots not to believe any media, any judges, any lawyers, any law enforcement, any intelligence agencies, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses ... anybody ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradicted Supreme Leader Trumpty Dumpty (the government). The CDC, on the other hand, are an organization of doctors and scientists, who also gather data from other doctors and scientists around the world.
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@mryagami8448 If she was only talking about systemic racism, then she's a moron, who couldn't stay on topic. The topic was the rise of white nationalism, the spread of white identity ideology, and hate crimes along with those things.
People are shooting up mosques, synagogues, and black churches. There is a documented rise in white supremacist hate crimes and terrorism. People like Richard Spencer, an unashamed white nationalist, are holding public ralies. And she said terms like "white nationalist" are purely fearmongering, pretending that nothing is going on, except Democrats trying to scare their non-white voters. She claimed the fairly well documented Southern switch never happened, and is also a Democrat lie .... so, just in case she's wrong, they racists are the Democrats. You don't even need documentation, ffs. Today's Confederate flag waving, Confederate statue saving, black birthday harassing, black church shooting, bad cop supporting, racists, are on the right. All the white nationalists have been praising Trump. They're openly Republican. She said "America isn't a racist country", which is just stupid. If she meant something more specific, then she should have said so.
She denied reality, multiple times.
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@theciakilledjfk5973 You're making a false equivalency, between two different kinds of votes.
M4A is about 100 votes short in the house alone. There wouldn't be much of a performance, because debating, calling witnesses, etc., happens during committees. If you want to somehow dodge committees for a straight up floor vote, all you'd get is house members speaking for a few min each, without any fact checking, debate, and 3/4 of the few min speeches being anti-M4A.
The impeachment passed the house, and the performance happened during the senate trial, where the case is actually presented and argued. And they even got some Republicans to vote for impeachment, along with all Dems.
More Americans were in favor of impeachment than are for all out M4A.
Nothing in your post covered that there's more votes to be won, or gained, on the right, if push comes to shove. You're blaming progressives for Biden being a corporate Dem? Wasn't that common knowledge?
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@theciakilledjfk5973 The party's speaker candidate is picked by the Dem caucus, where progressives are a minority, and it's a straight up majority vote. Progressives didn't actually have the power to threaten the speakership. All they had the power to do was to paralyze the house, by no speaker candidate winning. The corporate Dem majority could keep picking Pelosi over and over, if they wanted. How long do you think it would have been politically advantageous to paralyze the house for, during a pandemic?
For what, exactly? Pelosi introduced M4A to congress just last session, where it died in committees, where 90% of bills die. You know, those committees that Dore knob doesn't think are important. And, a speaker, alone, can't even force a bill through committees to the floor. It takes a petition signed by the majority of congress.
You also get a brand new list of names of congresspeople who won't cosign the bills, each new session, that need converting or replacing (AOC just helped replace a few). If you, or Dore, had 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates sitting in your back pockets, why didn't you run them in the election cycle that just happened?
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@theciakilledjfk5973 Next to nobody outside of some progressive circles (where everyone is already pro-M4A) were talking about Jimmy Dore, or FTV. Something like 20 people showed up for the DC FTV rally. Bernie still has more Twitter followers. Bernie, and his M4A, who she used her platform to campaign for, while Dore knob was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". She also used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives. The pandemic had started before the primaries were over. Guess what? The M4A candidate didn't get elected, and no amount of DNC fuckery could have screwed Bernie, if the masses had voted for him. Most of those other pro-M4A candidates didn't make it through the primaries, either. Only a few did. Americans just got finished ranking how important M4A was to them. They went with the idjit who said he'd veto it, if it somehow passed both the house and senate. They went with mostly anti-M4A corporate Dem and Rep congress members, yet again.
Dore had this fantasy, in 2016, where a Trump presidency would be better for progressives than a Clinton presidency. It was going to lead to some massive progressive wave that would, "for sure", lead to progressives taking the house and senate in 2018, and a progressive president in 2020. None of it happened. He vastly overestimated the benefits and vastly underestimated the risks. Even with the benefit of hindsight, knowing full well that people started complaining about not getting covid relief fast enough (including, I think, Jimmy Dore), you think they would have been impressed with paralyzing the house for some amount of time, to not actually get them M4A, but simply to get a guaranteed to fail vote?
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@theciakilledjfk5973 Speaking of gullible, you're being taken for a ride by a grifter who didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans lost their Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare, and yet passes himself off as the one true champion of healthcare. He doesn't care if he leads people down the third party route, that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. There's no indication he actually cares if anyone gets healthcare anytime soon, other than his gums flapping. The actions he promotes taking won't get M4A in the next century.
AOC actually helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, the very thing you need to do to ever pass the bill, the very thing you would still need to do even after a guaranteed to fail vote. House representatives don't have to get involved in other districts' elections. That's beyond the job parameters. She has proven that she actually takes action, and doesn't just flap her gums, like dumbass Dore. She has proven that she fights against corporate Dems, and doesn't just flap her gums, like dumbass Dore.
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@tidus9942 Rofl, so you expect people to be robots, with no life beyond work. No phones, no televisions, no movies, no radios, no computers, no internet, no vehicles, no eating out ever, etc. Well, aren't you pleasant.
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You don't know the definition of "blackmail".
Which state? Numerous states agree, even ones with no skin in the game and who opposed other US aggression, that Syria has used chemical weapons. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple different NGO witnesses, multiple UN investigations with dozens of inspectors from around the world, there are legal human rights groups building cases against Syria on behalf of victims, there have been multiple independent investigations, all providing hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons uses, since 2012. Aaron's Syrian "scandal" article could have been written by anyone, from anywhere in the world, with Wikipedia and a penchant for leaving out the bits they don't like. Two part time "inspectors", working on a single investigation at a single site, doesn't debunk all the rest. Plus, the UN report doesn't even assign blame, as per Russia's demands. Assigning blame and choosing to respond independently, was totally the US' decision. Should we stop reporting on human rights violations everywhere in the world, in case the US uses it at grounds to bomb or invade?
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@portalarizona A business can register as a private club, like Costco, and not allow anyone they want to use their services. A business can register as a religious organization, and not allow anyone they want to use their services. If a business freely chooses to register themselves as what's considered a "public accomodation", and open to the public, then they're not supposed to discriminate against specific groups, and serve the public as they advertise. If you think Nazis, and the like, should be included as a protected group, then argue for it, but it would still only apply to "public accommodations". Social media sites may be very big, but they're still private clubs, with TOS, that users agree to, for being a part of their club. Private clubs have been cancelling memberships, and picking and choosing who to let in their clubs, since the dawn of clubs and memberships. It doesn't seem to be a very slippery slope.
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@typhoon320i Rofl. Those are just facts. You're the one who seems upset that people would want corporations and the super rich to pay their fair share.
Fact: The bottom 50% owns about 1.5% of total wealth, but pays about 3% of total federal taxes (including payroll, which those who falsely claim the rich pay more than their fair share leave out), a 1:2 ratio.
Fact: The top 1% owns about 30% of the wealth and pays about 30% of federal taxes, a 1:1 ratio.
Amongst that 1%, the lesser rich, who make a living on actual salaries, albeit large ones, are also paying for the welfare queen billionaires, who don't pay their fair share.
Gas tax doesn't cover all roads anymore, and other taxes are used. The military you mentioned protects corporate interests abroad, and trading lanes. Yet, the ones benefitting the most from those things, pay the least towards them, as a percentage of their total wealth. If Tesla is importing parts for 200k cars a year, and transporting those 200k cars out on roads, then they, and their shareholders, are benefitting 200k times more from protwcted trading lanes, and roads, than each of the individual Tesla buyers. Amazon depends on those things even more, and gets to pay zero taxes for years? And, you think that's groovy.
You're making up nonsense, about them deploying their money, at appropriate times, to the benefit of all. Trump just gave them even more tax breaks and many used the savings to buy back their own stocks, to artificially inflate the price, rather than use it to create more jobs, or increase pay. What's wrong with taking trillions out of the economy, and not circulating it back in? Really?
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@MrPhilsterable Yang has math problems. Not only won't a VAT tax who he claims it will tax, but his plan adjustments, since he started, seriously affect his revenue projections, which he hasn't adjusted.
He started out not having UBI stack with anything. Eliminating government services was supposed to pay for a third of his UBI. He now has it stack with SS, SSDI, and VA. All he has left to eliminate is under $400b. Nowhere close to an $800b projection.
He started out with a VAT on everything. He's now going to exempt staples. That will lose him some other needed tens of billions.
A third of the UBI didn't even start with initial funding, running a deficit of upwards of $800b a year, until the economy expanded enough. With his plan adjustments, it will be more like half that doesn't have initial funding, and start with a deficit of $1.2+ trillion a year. That's well over his expanded economy projection, and doesn't even account for whether the UBI is supposed to keep up with inflation, or not, or increase if there any major unemployment issues.
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@thenumbersss Bernie's proposals are what a number of other developed countries do, before they tax consumers with a VAT. Scandinavian countries have high unionization rates. Norway nationalized oil resources. Sweden has corporations pay in for retraining. Denmark has double the percentage of government workers. Numerous countries have over double the US's minimum wage. More paid vacations. More paid parental leave. Etc. Etc. That's how you make businesses pay in. Then you put a consumption tax on better paid, higher living standard, consumers. Yang is clueless, and has a very superficial plan, that won't actually make corporations pay in.
Yang doesn't have UBI stack with SSI disability, or SNAP. SSI can stack with SNAP. A disabled person on full benefits, plus kids, could be getting over $1000 a month. SNAP, alone, has a cost of living adjustment. A single parent of 3, in Alaska, could be getting over $1000 a month. Whatever the exact number, you're good with making some very poor people worse off, while handing people getting by just fine a monthly spa fund, a sportscar, or something?
Yang could run as a Republican, because his plan will benefit couples, even those without kids, more than single parents, because he doesn't adjust for kids; his plan will benefit less urban, lower cost of living, areas more than urban areas, because he doesn't have an adjustment for cost of living; likewise for states with lower state taxes that do as little as possible for their citizens; a VAT doesn't actually make corporations pay anything they don't want; ...
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@curiosityl.6261 Hinkle blathered a bunch of standard Dore knob bullshit, is all he did.
The Capitol Hill police bill was heavily amended in the senate and sent back to the house. AOC voted no on the final version of the bill.
AOC had just backed progressives in purple districts, that got creamed in the primaries, and the Dems who beat them managed to also beat the Republican. This midterm is going to be a helluva fight to try and hang on to the majority. Whatever leverage progressives have, completely evaporates, if Republicans win the majority. Go ahead and be pissed, if you think AOC broke a promise, but trying to retain the majority is smart.
The FTV "plan", out of Jimmy's mouth, was for 15 progressives to simply "withhold their votes" or "not vote" for Pelosi. He never mentioned a need to cast protest votes. That implies abstaining. And, he made it very clear that he thought it was impossible for McCarthy to win, unless Democrats actually voted for him, so would see no problem with abstaining. 15 progressives abstaining would have handed the speakership to McCarthy.
FTV was also about a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. It doesn't actually move you any closer to being able to pass the bill. The only possible way to ever pass the bill is to get enough yes votes in congress, which makes adding yes votes to congress the most important thing. Justice Dems, and AOC, have helped to add more M4A yes votes to congress. AOC was fighting to add another, in Nina Turner, campaigning on the ground for her. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress.
Progressives did get the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. It actually passed the house (M4A didn't have a shot in hell), and also got a senate vote. Dore knobs have done nothing with those lists of no voters, and just continue to slander those who voted for it.
Drone strikes have been reduced to almost nothing. That's one thing Dore knobs should be praising Biden for. Instead they keep whining. All, or nothing.
AOC, and other progressives have a bill trying to put conditions on the annual military aid to Israel. They have an anti anti-BDS laws bill. So she voted to rearm a purely defensive Iron Dome. So what?
Just a lot of much ado about nothing.
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@Lew 286 Here's what hasn't worked ... authoritarian crony capitalism (fascism) ... authoritarian communism (Stalinism, etc.), which zero politicians are calling for ... Ayn Rand style Libertarianism, which leaves many uneducated, many without proper healthcare, idiotically leaves big business to self regulate, and ends with labour riots, and such like ... and anarcho-capitalism, which quickly devolves into feudalism.
On the other hand, more centrist mixed economies are ranked the best places to live, in the world. The US political spectrum is almost entirely right of centre. Bernie is the actual centrist.
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@SamNMman505 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@michaels8620 How does forcing a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, speed up anything? Justice Dems, AOC, and Bernie, have been working on adding more yes votes to congress. Getting enough yes votes in congress is literally the only possible way to ever pass the bill.
Also, getting a president in place, that wouldn't veto the bill, moves you closer to being able to pass it. Dore outright backed someone campaigning against the M4A candidate, someone who said M4A was unAmerican. Sitting on the sidelines, in some irrelevant third party, possibly even giving up yes votes in congress, by abandoning those people, gets you nowhere, and might even move you further away. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. That's even less than an increment. Abandoning Nina Turner, abandoning adding another M4A yes vote to congress, gets you no closer.
What are Dore, or this guy, proposing that actually gets you closer to being able to pass it? All corporate Dems have to do is amend a bill to the right, make some concessions to the less crazy Republicans, and get enough onboard to pass things without needing squad votes. On the flip side, there's no way to pick up extra votes to the left of progressives, if you lose too many conservative Dem votes on the right wing end of the party.
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@michaels8620 Yeah, a C-SPAN covered floor vote ... totally samesies as thousands of people marching down a highway, covered by all media. Women's suffrage had a first vote to see how close they were to a supermajority, because the parties weren't as partisan, at the time, and they weren't sure how far off they were. They literally held back the bill, the next session, because they didn't think they had the supermajority yet, and saw absolutely no point in having a guaranteed to fail vote. Where are you getting this repeatedly having failed votes being beneficial from? The $15 got a vote, and even passed the house to get a senate vote. Dore knobs argue it was useless, and just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and voted for it. How did getting a vote help?
Isn't turning it into a hill to die on, and to slander M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, part of what turned it stupid? FTV was dead in the water as soon as Dore, and his knobs, used it to slander AOC, and the vast majority of progressives, which was almost right out of the gate. Yeah, Dore killed his own plan, by being a moron. That's the reason you try to detach the man from his own plan, because he's too hard to defend. If he was easy to defend, there'd be no issue with keeping him attached to his own plan. Don't you think he destroyed any chance of getting any of the 15 progressives he named, on board, the moment he started slandering the first one?
Any leverage Hinkle believes the squad has entirely depends on Dems being the majority of the house. This midterm will be a helluva fight to try and keep that majority, especially in those more conservative purple districts. Is there some benefit to progressives becoming a minority within a minority, and having Republicans win the majority?
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@seanhovan7426 No. You're just a dimwit who doesn't grasp when Biden gives literal numbers, indicating vaccines aren't 100%, and then talks virtually, figuratively.
"Ten thousand people have recently died; 9,950 of them, thereabouts, are people who hadn’t been vaccinated.
This is a simple, basic proposition. If you’re vaccinated, you’re not going to be hospitalized, you’re not going to be in an ICU unit, and you are not going to die."
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Dore vastly overestimated the benefits of a Trump presidency, claiming it would bring about a massive progressive backlash that would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house (didn't happen) and the senate (didn't happen), in 2018, and the presidency (didn't happen), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda (didn't happen), wouldn't follow him into all out fascism (did happen), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats (did happen) was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (hasn't happened yet).
Also, a reminder that Trump was running on tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, while Clinton was running on adding 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, and Dore is making out like he's the one true champion of healthcare, when he promoted the former as the better option.
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Patrick Skywalker Dore had just spent weeks making out like other progressives aren't allies, that they're "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", "betrayers", etc., if they didn't support a single secondary tactic. Then he turned around and made out like a far right ancap 2nd amendment nutter, who didn't support M4A at all, let alone a secondary tactic, and who had praised Kyle Rittenhouse shooting protesters, would make for a good ally ... just because he's more anti-authoritarian than the standard Republican (ignoring that the guy was going to Trump "stop the steal" rallies, which promoted overthrowing the democratic process). It was like Dore was an idiot, who had never heard of Libertarians, or ancappers, before. All having that guy on proved is that Dore is a moron and a hypocrite.
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@@MirglipEA Literally voted against it, when is was a separate appropriation bill. Voting against the entire budget = voting against SNAP, Medicaid, SSDI, Medicare, housing, education, infrastructure, etc., etc., etc.
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@Name-jw4sj To be honest, it's hard to tell at this point, because you've started arguing against yourself along the way. When someone else pointed out the opposition's base expanded more than Trump's, you argued that the opposition's base didn't expand, they had always been opposed, but they just didn't vote before. Then, when I lay out that Trump's base didn't expand, they just didn't vote before, you argued against yourself, by defining the "base" as those who vote, which makes you then arguing that the opposition's "base" did expand.
As I pointed out, about the same percentage of the population (not just voters) approved of him at the start and finish. More of those people simply voted in 2020 vs 2016. He may have fired his base up, to get more out to vote, but his style, and rhetoric, and yes who he has attacked, fired up more people that wanted him gone, and got even more of them out to vote. He even got a large percentage of those who voted third party in 2016 to vote for the opposition, people wanted him gone so badly.
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@sullen2420 Rofl. Those people's views are the topic of the video, ffs, and you mention him in your op. You said he's right, but he thinks they have leverage, which makes his argument moronic.
She just got done backing progressives in some of those same conservative districts and they got creamed, but the more conservative Dem beat the Republican. Making out like fascists, who just tried to overthrow the democratic process to keep Dumpty on as an unelected dictator, are samesies as corporate Dems, is beyond moronic. Making out like people who all voted against another round of covid stimulus and against the $15 are samesies as those who voted for those, is beyond moronic. Making out like those who have tried to toss 10+m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, dozens of times, are samesies as those who aren't doing that, is beyond moronic. Being in neutral might suck, but going in reverse is worse. Progressives have better odds in more solidly blue districts, taking out corporate Dems there. Meanwhile, Republicans not having the majority is better all around. Whatever, don't give a shit if Republicans rule, then. That's the same Dore knob mentality that didn't care if Trump beat Clinton.
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@grammary69 Latino is a geographical grouping (people from Latin America). Hispanic is a language grouping (Spanish speakers). Latinos and Hispanics come in wht (predominantly Spanish ancestry), blk (§|a√€§), native, and mixes thereof. There's no double standard. "Cuban" is a nationality and 64% of Cubans identify as wht. Predominantly wht especially applies to the first few waves of the fscst Batista family, friends, government, mltry, and those who got wealthy under Batista, that immigrated (without visas) to the US, commited the most 70s trrrsm in the US, but were still given special golden ticket fast passes to citizenship, and were taken in by the Republican party.
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@fullyfb3847 Is that the same "freedom loving right" that was okay with the actual government (head of government) firing, or threatening to fire, anyone who contradicted him? That was okay with that same head of government saying people should be fired for kneeling? That was okay with the actual government making anti-BDS laws? That was okay with the actual government making it harder, or more dangerous, to protest? That still has a government agency protecting their delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples? Conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people for millennia, and are far more likely to use the authorities to do it.
So, a far right loon, like Thiel, or you, supporting Joe, isn't evidence he's acceptable to right wing loons? "Freedom loving" Thiel is literally trying to purge the party of non Trumpists.
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@stopwritingthatreplyjohnat6638 No, you don't know much about the Boogaloos. That guy Dore had on praised Kyle Rittenhouse. They're gun loving right wing nuts, who will shoot you for even thinking of taxing them, once you hand in hand help them topple the authority. Dore ditched the people who want M4A over a tactics disagreement, slandered the hell out of them for weeks as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", etc., writing them off as allies. Then he immediately turned around and presented someone who disagrees on almost everything as a potential ally. He's insane. You are likely insane, as well, if you can't see it.
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@Ghastlyteaparty Cows (fehu) were their currency. Whether you have a coin as a placeholder between selling a cow and buying a donkey, or you straight up trade a cow for a donkey, is of little relevance. They both still indicate an economy based on trading private property. It developed through a bunch of private property claimants (capital: wealth producing wealth), with no authority above them (anarcho), using their own private armies to settle land disputes. If the winner subjugated the other, or installed someone to rule over the new land under them, then a hierarchy began forming. Much like the cattle barons of the Western Territories, with little to no authority above them. They hired their own private armies of cowboys, and started throwing their weight around. They were only stopped by the federal government influencing more control over the region, removing the anarcho element.
Taxes have been around since ancient Egypt. But, until governments started becoming governments of the people, the "taxes" were really just direct payments to a private land owner, not to a non person government entity. The top of the hierarchy was a private landlord, and everyone who lived on his property, was paying rent in some form or another. No peasant could do whatever they wanted, if what they wanted was to live on a Lord's land for free.
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@Gawanipony 3 We know for a fact that they started making baseless claims of widespread voter fraud, from the get go. The election swinging the other way is only evidence of the election swinging the other way, and yet Trump was already making up bullshit on election night.
We know for a fact that they still didn't have evidence of widespread voter fraud, when they set up their hotlines, fishing for evidence. They still didn't have evidence, when they set up their online affidavit gathering, fishing for evidence. They still didn't have evidence, when they offered rewards, fishing for evidence. Desperately fishing for evidence, is evidence you don't have evidence.
Trump did this in 2016 ... claimed widespread voter fraud ... and his own election integrity commission found nothing of the sort, proving Trump just throws around baseless bullshit.
At this point, it's ignorant to give this group of pathetic little liars the benefit of the doubt.
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@Nalgitas86 Adding yes votes to congress is exactly what's necessary. It's the only possible way to ever pass a bill. If you, or Jimmy, has an extra 100 pro-M4A candidates in your back pocket, why didn't either of you pull them out for the election that just happened? There was already a list of names that hadn't signed onto M4A, that needed replacing.
You know corporate Dems don't have to fold to the threat, and can just let progressives paralyze the house, and then blame them for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., during a pandemic, right? And you're already going to get a new list of people that won't sign onto M4A when the bill is reintroduced in the new session.
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@sergeikhripun You don't know what a "supermajority" is. Democrats do not currently have a supermajority, and they had one in 2009, for all of a few months, if, and only if, you count independent, former Republican, Joe Lieberman, as an actual Democrat.
A "supermajority" is not having a majority in the house, senate, and having the presidency. A "supermajority" is having a 2/3, filibuster proof, majority, you dimwitted Dore knob.
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@sergeikhripun Canada's healthcare system, btw, is more like Medicaid for all, rather than Medicare for all. Each province runs their healthcare and the federal government cost shares. Newsom adding more and more people to Medi-Cal is going in that direction.
You'd have to be a complete and utter moron, if you think Trump, and Republicans, wanting to toss 10+m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, is samesies. Or, that all the Republican states which turned down Medicaid expansion, for their citizens, are samesies.
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@clintholmes2061 Nothing you blathered refutes that not partisan, and not a hack, are two different things.
Sam criticizes Biden, and other corporate Dems, all the time, dimwit. It's your hack who would only report on the Biden scandal, because he's a grifter, who panders to the far right.
Promoting progressives vote third party benefits corporate Dems and Republicans. Promoting Trump as the better option than Clinton or Biden, benefits Republicans. Promoting "extreme free market" Boogaloo psychos as allies, benefits the far right extremists. Spreading covid and vaccine misinformation panders to far right anti-vax nutters. Promoting abandoning Nina Turner benefits her DNC backed corporate Dem opponent. Promoting not voting for Bernie benefits his corporate Dem opponent. Slandering progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, benefits corporate Dems and Republicans.
None of the directions Jimmy proposes taking benefits the left. He's a grifter, claiming to be selling you something beneficial, but is actually selling you something completely useless, or even harmful.
Head on off to right wing Rumble, with "real" leftists, like Dore and Greenwald.
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@jojomany5792 You shut up.
The Anuna, the seven judges, rendered their decision against her. They looked at her -- it was the look of death. They spoke to her -- it was the speech of anger. They shouted at her -- it was the shout of heavy guilt. The afflicted woman was turned into a corpse. And the corpse was hung on a hook.
After three days and three nights had passed, her minister Nincubura (2 mss. add 2 lines: , her minister who speaks fair words, her escort who speaks trustworthy words,) carried out the instructions of her mistress (1 ms. has instead 2 lines: did not forget her orders, she did not neglect her instructions).
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"They will offer you a riverful of water -- don't accept it. They will offer you a field with its grain -- don't accept it. But say to her: "Give us the corpse hanging on the hook." (She will answer:) "That is the corpse of your queen." Say to her: "Whether it is that of our king, whether it is that of our queen, give it to us." She will give you the corpse hanging on the hook. One of you sprinkle on it the life-giving plant and the other the life-giving water. Thus let Inana arise."
The gala-tura and the kur-jara paid attention to the instructions of Enki. They flitted through the door like flies.
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They were offered a river with its water -- they did not accept it. They were offered a field with its grain -- they did not accept it. They said to her: "Give us the corpse hanging on the hook." Holy Erec-ki-gala answered the gala-tura and the kur-jara: "The corpse is that of your queen." They said to her: "Whether it is that of our king or that of our queen, give it to us." They were given the corpse hanging on the hook. One of them sprinkled on it the life-giving plant and the other the life-giving water. And thus Inana arose.
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Couldn't even make it through your first paragraph. It was a steaming pile of horse shit.
Firstly, you don't get to use Palestinian Jews as a place holder, for the "return", after 1700 years, of hundreds of thousands of people from Russia and Europe. They weren't holding a Jewish nation. They were Palestinians, that were Jews. And, they actually opposed Zionism. The Zionist terrorist groups, Irgun and Lehi, targeted them, right alongside their Palestinian brothers and sisters.
I don't get to round up people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "go back", claim half of England, and cleanse "our" half of its current inhabitants. If I did, it would be colonialism. Even if I did have a distant cousin living there, that said it was okay, it would still be colonialism. These are batshit crazy, absolutely moronic, arguments.
You're also absolutely lying, about the land purchases. There was a massive 1945 land and peoples survey. It found that the Jews owned a majority of the land in no district. Not even close. Non Jews owned a majority in every district except 4, and owned a plurality in 3 of those (public being the 3rd owner), and second to publicly owned in only 1 district. Jews were a majority nowhere. To have a Jewish majority state would require cleansing the lands of the actual non Jewish majority.
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@michaelgrimm2121 Policy wise, progressives haven't promoted any policies that would move the US left of Denmark, which is centrist, at most. It seems to be the right wing fascists that are using the government to ban bds, ban crt (which isn't even taught in public schools), ban abortions, ban life saving measures, make protesting harder and more dangerous, etc. They're also the ones who's leader called for overthrowing the democratic process, who's majority of lawmakers tried to overthrow the democratic process, and who brainwashed tens of millions of followers into believing a lie that led some to try and violently overthrow the democratic process. And you're whining about someone who wants you to have free dentures?
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@NooNoo0 The Germans were a majority Protestant. Hitler put Martin Luther's words into action. The Russians (pogroms) were a majority Orthodox. The Spanish Catholics offered conversion, death, or exile.
Ironically, throughout history, Jews have done similar things, whenever they've had power, even just enough power to violently revolt. The Hasmoneans force converted, killed, or exiled people. Even killed their own, if they weren't anti-Greek enough. Contemporary accounts of Kito's War, describe them raping, pillaging, murdering, even genociding entire cities, and parading around wearing the skins of their victims, with entrails as belts. Their book justifying genociding everyone around them, with the original Israelites.
But, for 1300 years, Jews lived amongst Muslims, with only a few localized incidents. A "Golden Age" in Spain. Refuge from Spanish exile. Even okaying the earliest form of immigration Zionism, before it converted to colonization Zionsim. Christians too. When Spain was reconquered, almost the entire population was still Christian. But, that all changed with colonialist Zionism, ethnic cleansing, and occupation.
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@TheGUDL716 He's not saying he's going to close existing loopholes. He's dishonestly claiming the VAT doesn't have loopholes and will force them to "pay their fair share". The loophole to avoid actually paying any tax is built right in to a VAT system, because they get paid back for VAT input.
His projected revenue from the VAT was based on the entire economy, not simply yachts and very high end items. He has since said he'd exempt staples, but that's just basic groceries, some household items, and possibly kids clothes. That doesn't include the electric bill, phone bill, internet bill, cable bill, toys, games, non-staple snacks and pop, and all kinds of things that will still affect poor people's lives.
Some people are already getting $1000+ in assistance Yang doesn't have stack with UBI. The UBI won't benefit them at all but they'll still have to pay VAT on some items.
The upper middle class and lower end rich, whose incomes won't jump with massive consumer spending and stocks going up, like doctors and lawyers, will pay in more than they get out. Someone like Bezos is going to make billions more than he pays in with Yang's plan.
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The issue is bigger than just one guy. The history of Likud is the history of Revisionist Zionism, which is now over 100 years old, and which has always had the stated goal to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories, plus claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is also an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. They have been working towards that goal, for decades now. The US has been vetoing Security Council resolutions against Israel, and supplying them with weapons, for decades now.
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@GavinGill07 Nah, our Liberals are centre-right, our NDP are centre-left, and the PC are right. In the US, many Democrats are about the same as our PCs. Some about the same as our Liberals. A few new ones and Bernie are like our NDP. The US Republicans and Libertarians are way right.
There really are no far left politicians or political parties operating in the developed world. Far left would be complete economic equality. Sure, some politicians promote having less disparity, but none are promoting total equality. Far right, on the other hand, would be zero government interference in economy, business, little to no taxes (except for a legal system and defense, which Ayn Rand was okay taxing for), allowing for whatever inequality capitalism dishes out. Plenty of US politicians promote that.
You're right though, that the majority of Americans now seem to be centre-left, since polls show the majority now supporting Medicare for all, taxing the wealthy, etc. The US is only now recovering from McCarthyism and the Cold War, which shifted their politics totally right of centre.
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@tyronesmith3991 If your supreme leader has convinced millions of people not to believe any media (even right wing), any courts (even Republican appointed judges, even judges he appointed himself), any election officials (even Republican ones, even ones he appointed), any politicians (even Republican ones that had been kissing his ass), even your own lying eyes, if any of them contradict him, then you're in a cult. Trump pulled off the most big brother like propaganda campaign in US history.
Trying to get state politicians to find votes, trying to encourage the VP to not recognize certified election results, inciting people to try and stop the reading of the election results, is trying to completely overthrow the democratic process to keep an unelected ruler in power. That's the last box Republicans needed to check, to embrace overt fascists.
There have been no racists at events like the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville?
There have been no right wing religious extremists trying to get Christianity back in schools, fighting to keep religious monuments on government property, Blathering about a war on Christmas, arguing congresswomen need to swear on a Bible, constantly threatening abortion clinics and doctors and even committing acts of terrorism, fighting for the religious "right" to discriminate, etc.?
Q: https://www.mediamatters.org/qanon-conspiracy-theory/here-are-qanon-supporters-running-congress-2020
You're living in some alternate reality.
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@kylemcdonnell86 On top of mask using countries doing better, countries with higher testing rates did better. Countries like S Korea, New Zealand, Australia, that quickly flattened their curves, quickly got their testing rates up to 50+ people per confirmed case. Some countries in Europe, and Canada, that had slower flattening, but better than the US, tested at rates of 15+ people per confirmed case. The US tested at a rate of 5 people per confirmed case for months, only recently getting that testing rate up to about 13 people per confirmed case. You just can't get ahead of the virus at 5 people per confirmed case. It's a pathetically low rate of testing.
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@KB Harrison Proposing to not strip people of their right to vote in the future, is different than currently registering felons, dumb dumb. They are not doing the later. Saying so is a lie. Voting is a citizen's right, here in Canada, no matter what. What are you afraid is going to happen?
Who is now waving Confederate flags, trying to save statues of Confederate "heroes", shooting themselves in the process with their open carry guns, etc., for the most part? Who is most likely to propose laws making it legal for businesses to discriminate? Who is most likely to be against black people protesting? Who is most likely to defend violent cops? If you think it's still Democrats, and don't recognize that a switch happened, then you're a moron.
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@pittiesplus4108 If you're actually pro-vaccine, you'd recognise you're an anecdote, and although you might state what you went through, you'd make sure everyone listening knew you're an outlier. Or, when you're talking about other possible negative side effects, like tinnitus, don't dishonestly pretend like it's a side effect of all vaccines, when it is just J&J, and maybe also report that there are thousands of more cases of tinnitus reported by those with covid. Or, when you and your buddy Max are dishonestly misrepresenting the UK's completely socialized healthcare system, like all good "lefties" do, and myocarditis, maybe also mention that youth are 6-8x more likely to get myocarditis from covid, that viruses are the leading cause of myocarditis.
No clue how you can listen to someone spewing only negative crap about vaccines, for 15 min, and come away thinking they made a pro-vaccine video.
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For a third party to ever become viable, you have to be willing to let Democrats, or Republicans, lose, accept the consequences, and hang tough. As a Canadian, who votes NDP, I think fearmongering people away from third parties is bullshit. A vote for someone else is NOT a vote for Trump, as numerous commenters are saying. Yes, scoring a goal for team C means you didn't score a goal for team B, but it also means you didn't score a goal for team A.
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@bruno.6610 1. By having the government pay for privatized services, turning public tax dollars into private profits.
2. By not having them pay for things they benefit most from. For example, if Apple shipped a million phones from China, and I buy one, they have benefited a million times more than me from protected shipping lanes. If a transport truck had brought 10k phones to my area, they benefited 10000x more than me for the road. Etc. Etc. Republicans don't like consumption taxes, when they're doing the consuming. That's having the public pay for things corporations benefit most from.
3. Not necessarily rich, but their base ... subsidizing farmers (including giant corporate run farms). Pretty sure oil companies get subsidies, as well.
4. You can play semantics, saying that tax breaks and loopholes are letting them keep their own money, but if that same government is setting a yearly budget, saying this is what the government needs to operate, but then let's them get away with not paying, or paying little, then everyone else has to put in more, to compensate. That is having the public pay for their government, for them. If Amazon really paid zero federal taxes, then they're getting benefits they didn't pay for.
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@anti-corporatecapture3844 Blah, blah, blah. You're lying. You're original stance was simply crying about mandates being against an individual's constitutional rights. You did not build an argument about the OSHA specifically. You're moving the goalpost to make yourself out to not be a raving lunatic.
So, your new argument is that it doesn't violate someone's individual constitutional rights, if they're receiving federal money? So, the government can mandate vaccines to farmers receiving aid, anyone on Medicaid or Medicare, any company receiving grants, anyone working for the government, schools, etc., etc., etc.?
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@richardgoldman Lol, what 100k straight votes?
So Trump starts off complaining about these stupid states, whose Republican legislatures wouldn't allow early processing of mail in ballots, not giving election night final numbers, and now you think it's a great idea to start letting parties count and recount votes in every state, check and double check every machine, even though they already have observers, whenever they want ... and how many times until results are given? Nothing about fear. That just sounds nonsensical. It sounds like going that route is based on fear (paranoia).
Not only do those states have Republican legislatures, half of them also have Republican governors, and Republican secretaries of state. But, sure, Democrats are criminal masterminds, who fabricated millions of votes, in multiple states (oddly just these slow ones), to steal the presidency, but somehow couldn't come up with thousands to take the senate. Some masterminds.
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@fittzie Yes, administrative costs disappear, if a single payer system is easier to operate than a multipayer system. Pharma costs disappear, if you set a lower maximum price they're allowed to sell at. Turning non-profit makes the cost of paying for a profit disappear. Some costs will just vanish. Private insurance costs have been increasing at almost double the rate of Medicare costs. That's without Medicare even, currently, negotiating down drug prices. Private insurance is a shit show.
You're buying right wing bullshit. The US has tens of thousands dying due to lack of coverage, hundreds of thousands going bankrupt due to medical debt, over a million travelling to places like India for healthcare they can afford, and you're all worried about wait times for non life threatening procedures. The supposed tens of thousands of Canadians going to the US to avoid wait times? A myth. A few rich people might go to hurry along their hip surgery, or have some other non life threatening procedure, but the vast majority of Canadians getting healthcare in the US are elderly Snowbirds, who spend winters in Florida or Arizona. They're getting healthcare while in the US, not going to the US for healthcare. And, their Canadian coverage might still be picking up some of those bills.
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Sam didn't invent sociology. We already have a study of societies. We already measure the human condition, in all kinds of ways. There are indexes for happiness, freedom, democracy, poverty, education, life expectancy, crime, safety, etc., etc., etc. There are already existing peaks and valleys, based on those scientific measures.
He also didn't invent what he agreed was already a widely understood given ... That, if you set a subjective value, there are then objectively better and worse was to get what you value, and science can help. If I value building a nuclear power plant, or a nuclear bomb, there are then objectively better and worse ways to achieve either of those goals, and science can help achieve them. Likewise, if I subjectively value human well being, or human suffering, there are then objectively better and worse ways to achieve either of those goals, and science can help. In all of those cases, objectivity and science don't care what you do, any which way.
The question is all about whether science/objectivity can tell us what to value, and the answer is no. He has never actually got beyond what he stated was a given, at the start. Science doesn't care if you want to blow up the world. It will help you do it.
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Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923 ...
"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.
My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.
The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage."
What's the context, other than Israel is a colonialist nation? Colonialists are never not the aggressors when it comes to the native population.
Okay, so Geronimo leaves the tiny reserve his tribe was forced onto, and goes on the warpath. You would contextualize that how?
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@dannyjenning1788 You really shouldn't want to get into a views vs subs ratio argument, on Hassan's channel, which make Crowder's ratio look pathetic, in comparison. Sam uploads multiple clips a day, and his channel's daily views to subs ratio is similar to Crowder's. Plus, he's on a weekly syndicated radio show. Plus, he does voice work on Bob's Burgers. Plus, he has debated Crowder's buddy Tim Pool, so fans of Tim should know Sam. Plus, he has debated Crowder's buddy Charlie Kirk, so fans of Charlie and Turning Points should know Sam. Plus, Fans of Politicon, in general, should know Sam. Plus, it all would have happened on the same H3 channel, with the same number of H3 subs and viewers, anyway. It's all just a lame excuse made by a coward, to "justify" running away. If he had some balls, and could have beaten Sam in a debate, then he would have actually made H3 and Sam ridiculous, rather than looking like the coward he is.
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@Kain9407 By what supposed measure is one worse than the other? Christians, in Africa, have campaigned against condom use, as 30m have people perished. Hindu India ranks worse than Saudi, for the treatment of women, and is run by an Hindutva movement that was literally founded on Italian fascism and German Nazism. Buddhist Thailand is competing with Christian Brazil, to be the pedo tourism capital of the world. Christian cartels, worshipping a saint of death, have chopped off more body parts than ISIS.
If some survey, spouted in a vacuum, showing a significant minority of the "Muslim World" thinking that terrorism is sometimes okay, was supposed to be horrible, then what about IL (representing the entirety of the "Jewish World") being ruled by a party founded by terrorists, and apparently an actual majority of the population still celebrating those terrorists as "heroes"?
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@FuddlyDud 1) Corrected me about what data? I didn't post before yours. Glad we agree that we can also reduce pediatric flu deaths with covid measures. Win win.
2) Yes, what I said is actually true. I described lab results, and you didn't debunk those results. Lab results are the best for telling whether masks are effective, if used properly, because there are generally also other measures taking place out in the real world, so it's harder to dissect. People doing things wrong doesn't debunk that masks are effective. It's not an argument that masks don't work. It's an argument that some people are incompetent at mask use. If I build a car with improved safety features, proven in testing, you driving it off a 1000' cliff and obliterating the car and yourself, doesn't prove the car didn't have improved safety features. Masks are effective in reducing spread.
The US had a pathetic pandemic response, and there is a good percentage of partisan anti-maskers in almost all communities. Why would anyone really want to use real world stats from the US? Canada had a better adherence to covid rules, including mask use. Their covid deaths per capita rate would translate into 400+k fewer US covid deaths. Japan has had a heavy reliance on mask use, and their covid deaths per capita rate would translate into about 45k total US covid deaths.
France, Italy, Spain, and the UK, all didn't take the virus seriously enough, at first, much like the US, and let it get well out of control. Germany took it a little bit more seriously. Like other Western countries, none quickly resorted to mask use, and had mask shortages even for medical staff. They, instead, started resorting to quarantines and lockdowns. Germany's were more effectively implemented. It's not like Italy quickly jumped to its current rate of mask use, and it completely failed them. Italy and Spain currently have high mask rates and are currently below Germany in 7 day covid cases per capita.
How quickly countries got their testing rates (tests per confirmed case) up, also factored into isolating and quarantining carriers. The US, UK, Italy, Spain, and France had pathetic testing rates, for months, as the virus spread. The US and UK still have shitty testing rates.
Numerous Asian countries, besides Japan and China, quickly turned to masks, at a high rate of use, and have amongst the best covid outcomes in the world, even though the virus started in their region, even if they share a long border with China, like Vietnam. Before it even hit S Korea, their president was talking with corporate leaders to increase mask production. That mask use has included kids in school. Covid amongst kids in Japan actually increased 3x during their August summer break ... up from the school rate. Mississippi (pop 3m) alone had more student covid cases than all of Japan (pop 126m), in Aug. Florida (pop 21.5m) beat out Japan's entire month in just one week of Aug. It's as if Japanese kids followed the rules while in school, and those rules actually helped, and then they let loose a bit during break.
What are you even talking about with FL and CA being the same, anyway? FL has an above US average 2366 deaths per million, while CA has a below US average 1720 dpm. FL currently has a 74/100k daily cases average, while CA has a 27/100k daily cases average. Florida is the only state where more people are dying now than at any previous time during the pandemic. What are you looking at that makes you think they're close to the same?
3) What? Billions earmarked for schools have been in every covid relief bill. Florida simply didn't submit a plan, to get the funding before school started. They didn't have a back to school covid plan.
Still no clue why you're comparing CA and FL.
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@FuddlyDud Was there a Part 1?
Locking down doesn't simply have to do with time, ffs. Italy didn't implement major widespread lockdowns until they hit hundreds of deaths. Germany implemented major widespread lockdowns when they hit dozens of deaths. Germany was quite clearly the more cautious of the two, and you clearly don't know what you're talking about.
Oh, give me a break. The weather quite obviously doesn't have much to do with anything, like some people made out. Didn't Trumpty Dumpty say it would magically go away when the warm weather hit? Shocker ... it didn't. Doctors and scientists still don't know if there's any actual seasonality to covid. There's no evidence what you're saying actually plays a major factor. FL is hotter than California, on average, in the summer, and currently has more cases and deaths per capita. Italy and Spain are hotter than Germany, and Germany currently has more cases and deaths per capita. Covid has clearly shown it likes all weather, and you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Less developed countries like India and Brazil, that get very hot, but have much less air conditioning, still have horrible covid rates.
The UK is clearly islands, and they clearly sucked ass. The US is clearly effectively an island, relative to China, and they clearly let the virus come in by flights, not walking across a border, and clearly let it spread like wildfire within its own borders. It was Canada and Mexico that didn't want Americans coming into their countries, for most of the pandemic. You ignored Vietnam, which clearly isn't an island, and clearly shares one of the longest boarders directly with China, and has one of the best covid outcomes. S Korea clearly isn't an island. Canada and Germany clearly aren't islands and did much better than the US. Clearly Denmark, Finland, and Norway aren't islands and clearly did much better than the US, not to mention having 5-10x fewer covid deaths per capita than their neighbor, Sweden. There are a number of Carribean countries, that are clearly islands, and clearly aren't having as good outcomes as the non island countries I mentioned that had decent to excellent outcomes. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. You're flinging poop and hoping it sticks.
Japan is actually an outlier, amongst countries the had excellent covid outcomes, in that its testing rate is actually low. They clearly relied more heavily on mask use, and other measures, and you clearly still don't know what you're talking about. On top of that, you sound paranoid. And, the topic was mask effectiveness, not mandate effectiveness. What difference does it make if the mask use is cultural? You're the one changing your argument, dumb dumb. You're moving the goalpost. Masks proved to be effective in Japan.
The outcome for an entire country, isn't quite "anecdotal", and on par with you comparing outcomes from two different states, dimwit. You're also the one who called for real world data. Not only are you completely clueless, you're a walking contradiction, a hypocrite.
What the hell are you talking about? Florida has about half the population of California, and they did spike up to about 20k in the winter while California spiked to about 40k. Florida clearly did not have a similar spike last Aug. They had a spike in July, as did California. California is having an Aug spike now, too, but Florida's is clearly far worse, with almost 50% more cases and almost half the population.
As I clearly mentioned, there is a good sized percentage of anti-mask idiots in every US community, making the US a shitty country to use real world data from, for an example of following covid rules. Do you have reading comprehension problems, on top of your other issues? Why isn't there a much larger disparity between CA and FL? Because there is a large minority in CA that are idiots and a large minority in FL that aren't idiots.
Apparently, you literally didn't read an article saying Florida was one of 5 states that didn't submit a plan, by the deadline, that would have handed them a couple billion from the covid funds dedicated to schools.
Seriously, your just pulling crap out of your ass.
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Rofl. I explained that dates don't indicate whether one was a more conservative response than the other, and you just come back and say to look at the dates again. Closing down at dozens of deaths is objectively the more conservative response than not closing down until hundreds of deaths. Italy had 366 deaths by the time of their major March 8 lockdown. Germany started various lockdowns between Mar 13-22. Germany was at 55 deaths on Mar 22. Your argument is beyond moronic.
I wasn't citing Trump as saying anything factual. I was citing him as another example of weather spewing stupidity. Just how bad are your reading comprehension problems?
I literally pointed out that Florida and California had similar spikes, relative to population. Were Floridians all huddled in their homes, due to the freezing cold Florida winter? I understood perfectly well, which is why I pointed out that it's hotter in Italy and Spain than Germany, but you wanted to reject the current trend there, because it's currently the opposite of your nonsense weather narrative. Canada had spikes in the fall and spring, as did Greece and France. Japan's last little uptick was in May, which is neither their hottest or coldest month.
You said I was wrong about the US letting the virus fly in, and countered with the fact that the US let you fly in. You're spewing gibberish, at this point. If covid was brought in by border crossers, the US spread would have looked a lot different. Japan, reported their first case within a day of the US. The US' first case was someone who flew into Washington state from Wuhan. The virus did not walk into the country. It flew in. By Mar 3, Washington state (pop 7.6m) had over twice as many deaths as Japan (pop 126m). Initial East coast clusters were traced to a Wuhan-Italy-US trip, also flying in. There's no actual evidence that the US' problem was having land borders. Yes, an ocean between China and the US, "effectively" makes it an island "relative" to China. Do you know what "effectively" and "relative" means?
Canada shares a long land border with one of the shittiest covid outcome countries in the world. Germany shares land borders with some of the shittiest covid outcomes in the EU. Vietnam shares a large land border with the virus's country of origin. Norway and Findland share borders with the shittiest Nordic country. The UK, French Polynesia, Guadeloupe, Martinique, Aruba, Sint Maarten, Bahamas, British Virgin Islands, Saint Martin, Seychelles ... all worse than Germany. Those, plus Ireland, Trinidad & Tobago, Malta, Curacao, Saint Lucia, all worse than Canada. There are about a dozen more, including Jamaica and Bahamas, that are worse than Vietnam and Norway. Plus, even Australia, Japan, and New Zealand, have worse numbers than the country of origin, China. How a country responded played a bigger factor in how good an outcome they had, than being an island had to do with anything.
Yes, I do understand that Vietnam and S Korea are actually prepared for epidemics, unlike many other countries, and have plans in place, including mass mask use.
You sound like a psycho. Vietnam's covid deaths per capita rate would translate into under 60k total US covid deaths, instead of over 690k, and you're more worried that the government might be able to track you through the covid app on your cellphone, that you're already carrying around with you but not worried they're already tracking you with it? Oh, the horror ... this app I can freely download, and can freely delete, is showing me if I've come in contact with someone who freely enters that they've tested positive. So scary. Oh no, a government computer might know whether I'm at the variety store or at the gas station, and .... what? What comes after that?
Between you spewing contradictory gibberish and other nonsense, and now paranoid conspiracy theories, and arguing freedumb over hundreds of thousands of lives, I'm done reading your crap.
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@FuddlyDud I'll quite myself.
"France, Italy, Spain, and the UK, all didn't take the virus seriously enough, at first, much like the US, and let it get well out of control. Germany took it a little bit more seriously."
Those were the first two sentences of the point I was making, and you started blathering on about Italy's lockdown happening sooner, which doesn't show they were in any way whatsoever taking it more seriously than Germany. This was the point I continued trying to make, and you again kept diverting to the timeline. You have dishonestly tried to make out like Italy took the virus more seriously, when they clearly didn't.
Now you're just lying about about being dishonest. Stopped reading.
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@FuddlyDud Obviously meant "quote", dumb dumb. Never had a phone change a word?
Wtf are you talking about? By that same Mar 22, the Netherlands (pop 17.3m) had 179 deaths, and Germany (pop 83m) had 55. The Netherlands did shit, at the very start, and had an early shit result because of it. Then, they did take tougher measures, closing schools, banning large gatherings, mandating distancing, non essential workers work from home, first mask mandate was for public transportation and later a broader mask mandate, plus enacted serious fines for any violations.
You're still spewing bullshit. Stopped reading.
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@morphor Some video obviously taken well before he and wife publicly stated they stopped donating to her, and promoted never again donating to any Democrat or Republican, progressive or not, is irrelevant. Also, what Nina said doesn't, at all, debunk that Dore abandoned her. You'd have to show something Dore said, showing that he was supporting her to the end, which can't be done, not her showing him some support. Not knowing exactly what the "some things" he says that she can't, that she likes, also makes what she said kind of meaningless.
Rofl. Dore is "outraged" for a profit.
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@Darke_Exelbirth The only possible way to ever pass M4A is to add enough yes votes to congress. So, someone like AOC, who is actively helping to add M4A yes votes to congress, is the one actually fighting for M4A.
You Dore knobs have mistaken fighting for a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote for fighting for M4A. They aren't the same thing. AOC, and Bernie, were just actively trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress, in Nina Turner. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina and abandoned trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress.
Progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting, it actually passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also go a senate vote. Suddenly, you moron Dore knobs think just getting a vote on important progressive policy is useless, and getting a list of no voters is useless. You're pathetic useless hypocrites, who benefit the far right most.
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@Jasondirt Rofl. No, AOC is not a major reason Pelosi got to remain speaker of the house. The party speaker candidate is chosen by simple majority of the party caucus. Even the entire broader progressive caucus doesn't yet have the majority needed to pick a different speaker candidate. A failed house speaker vote doesn't require the party to pick someone new. The non progressive majority could keep picking Pelosi over and over and over. Or, they could pick someone worse. Then what? Keep paralyzing the house?
Sure, AOC is one of 217 reasons why the house wasn't paralyzed. How long do you suggest paralyzing the house for, during a pandemic ... no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc.?
Look, I get it, Dore knobs would rather see Republicans in the majority and progressives in a minority party, or in a party with zero seats, at all.
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@Badatallthis Stuff Rofl. You should take your own advice, and use the internet to learn what 1881a can actually do. It doesn't cover everyone for everything. It only covers those afflicted with the emergency disease, disaster, or whatnot. It would have been good, at the start of the pandemic, when everyone was more vulnerable to covid. Now, you'd mostly just be rewarding all the anti-mask and anti-vax morons, who catch covid, with Medicare coverage, while not getting it for cancer patients, or anyone with non covid illnesses or injuries.
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@Irishhound Are you still saying that? Buddy ... Mein Kampf is a rant against Jews (who he blames for Marxism), social democracy (which he claimed was also Marxism), democracy (which he claimed leads to Marxism), and Marxism.
He ran on National Socialism, which he defined as simply people working together for the good of the nation. If simply working together is "socialism", then almost everything humans do together is "socialism". He outright said Marxism had misused the word. He outright argued against the class struggle. He outright argued that National Socialism is on the side of private property. All his rich backers clearly understood he was running against unionism, socialism, and communism, but somehow you don't. Any pro socialism statements you think you read, wasn't any kind of left wing "socialism". It was right wing [National] "socialism". He kicked people out of the party, and killed people in the party, to prove it.
"Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism." ~ Mussolini
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On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, Israel was itself founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets, murdering civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murder, who bombed the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. Netanyahu even promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, and avoid peace.
Israel is the terrorist nation.
Rivlin hosts 90th anniversary of founding Irgun Zvai Leumi (Etzel)
By GREER FAY CASHMAN Published: MARCH 1, 2021
"President Reuven Rivlin on Monday hosted the 90th anniversary celebration of Irgun Zvai Leumi, generally known by its Hebrew acronym of Etzel."
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@c.a.t.732 "handed it over"
Israel controls the borders, the airspace, the ports, the electricity, the water, the vast majority of what goes in and out, and Bibi even controlled the purse strings. He could stop and start the flow of money from Qatar, whenever he wanted. All while also still ethnic cleansing and colonizing the Palestinians of the West Bank, which Palestinians of Gaza still care about. In no reality did they "hand it over".
They pulled out a colony. You don't actually have to colonize to occupy. Nazis didn't actually live in the Warsaw ghetto. All the Palestine territories are still considered occupied, by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC.
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@Cyrus992 Pretending like both are exactly the same is nonsense. Trying to toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion isn't samesies as not doing that and possibly adding 40m older Americans to Medicare. Sure, it's not M4A, but all or nothing often gets you nothing.
Dore promoted Trump as the better option than Clinton. He claimed it would lead to a progressive wave that would "for sure" take the house, senate, and presidency, by 2020. Wrong, on all counts. He vastly overestimated the benefits. He also didn't see Republicans as far worse than Democrats, and claimed they would join Democrats in voting against the Trump agenda. Instead, they embraced overt fascism. He vastly underestimated the risks. He even gaslit (actual gaslighting is trying to falsely make someone feel crazy, or appear crazy to others, not simply to mislead people) Sam Seder, making out like the possibility of Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan, and what Sam was saying was insane. Events have proven that Dore was the completely delusional one.
Dore has also promoted going third party, which hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in 50 years. At best, you peel away enough progressive votes to hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades. It's a fantasy to think that's a viable option to get what you want. The system needs to be changed to make third parties viable, and you can't do that from the outside.
"Call out" shouldn't equate to slander. AOC campaigned for Bernie and his M4A, while Dore was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice". Her not having an M4A platform wasn't a deal breaker for him. AOC also used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helping to add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helping to take out a few more corporate Dems. Adding more yes votes is exactly what needs doing to ever pass the bill. It's exactly what you'd still need to do even if there was a guaranteed to fail vote. Pretending like that isn't fighting for M4A is garbage. Pretending she has sold out is garbage. She also never once ran on threatening to paralyze the house. Dore making out like she did was a strawman, giving his own meaning to her words, when she never indicated such a meaning. He also makes false equivalencies between things like a bill that's about 100 votes short in the house alone, that wouldn't get any hearings or major debate if you somehow dodge going through committees, where those things happen, and comparing that to an impeachment that only fell a few votes short in the senate, and got a hearing and major debate.
He also misrepresents surveys. The Pew survey he cited about 88% Dem voter support for M4A actually showed 88% support for some kind of government responsibility for healthcare, but only 54% for all out single payer. He used it to claim the majority of Americans wanted M4A but, same thing, it showed that, of the majority who said the government had a responsibility to make sure everyone was covered, only 36% wanted all out single payer. On the other hand, the majority of Americans wanted Trump impeached. There was no equivalence between the two things, any which way you look at it. Using his made up nonsense to trash progressives, making people lose confidence in them, will only end up benefiting corporate Dems and Republicans, the ones he is supposedly against.
For him to spend weeks making out like a disagreement on a secondary tactic was a deal breaker, and that anyone who didn't agree with him was some kind of fraud, was no longer an ally, he immediately turned around and made out like some ancap Boogaloos, who are the complete opposite when it comes to economics, who don't want any government healthcare, at all, could be allies, just because they're anti-authoritarian on a few topics. That's actual insanity. And, the progressive caucus got the $15 minimum to stay in the covid relief bill for a round of voting. He immediately turned around and made out like getting a vote doesn't count for shit. Even that isn't good enough. Simply getting a vote was a huge freaking deal, and a deal breaker, one second, but then it's worthless, the next. He's a walking contradiction. He's only consistent in his Dems = bad message. However he has to twist things, manipulate surveys, slander, contradict himself, the message is consistently Dems = bad.
For a "real" progressive, he seems to promote actions that benefit Republicans most. Odd.
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@Breadbored. Because your hospital's problem likely has less to do with single payer, and more to do with location. I don't know where you are to blame negotiated doctor salaries for your hospital's problems. Hundreds of doctors in Quebec thought they were being paid too much, by the same single payer system. Ours is a mixed federal/provincial system. Maybe your province isn't putting in enough, on their end.
https://montrealgazette.com/news/local-news/quebec-doctor-embarrassed-by-pay-hikes-to-colleagues
Even if doctor salaries stayed the same, in the US, single payer has much lower administration costs. It's the multiple payer system that requires more administration. And, if the US could negotiate drug costs to half, that would also lower costs for hospitals. Switching to non-profit hospitals would also lower costs. On top of the savings, you'd have tens of thousands fewer people dying due to lack of coverage, hundreds of thousands fewer people going bankrupt due to healthcare costs, and over a million people not having to travel to places like India for healthcare they can afford. It is inherently better, without even touching doctor salaries.
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No one has argued the US invented slavery. No one has argued slavery didn't, or doesn't, exist outside the US. No one has argued slavery no longer exists. Crowder is arguing against strawmen of his own making, on all those points.
As for his claim that slavery has never been racially motivated, that's a blatant lie. Western chattel slavery was developed around African slaves, and was different from other types of slavery. Simply saying "slavery", implying they're all samesies, is nonsense. Other forms of slavery, practiced elsewhere, didn't tend to be lifelong and multigenerational.
Black Americans, in the early colonies, weren't slaves. They were indentured, like white people. Then, very racially motivated laws, around the colonies, started chipping away at any semblance of rights. At first, they tried being subtle, by making laws against enslaving Christians (all the whites were Christians, while black Africans were not, at the time). When black people started converting, then they dropped all subtlety, and became very race specific. There were laws all across the country, as well as the brief mention in the constitution. There was also the Confederate constitution, which made the racial aspect of slavery extremely clear. There was also another hundred years of racially motivated segregation and Jim Crow laws, against the very same people that had been enslaved, indicating their treatment beforehand had also been racially motivated.
The majority of Confederate state voters were racists, plain and simple. They voted for pro slavery candidates, and against abolitionists. They voted for secessionists, and against unionists. They were willing to kill, and be killed, for the "right" to own, abuse, torture, rape, and even kill, black Americans. They voted for segregationists, and against desegregationists. They were majority hardcore racists, for centuries, on a massive scale. Anyone who thinks that all suddenly went away, in 50 years, is a complete and utter moron, or a grifter.
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@marymackey4518 Government negotiated under $20 prices on vaccines, and giving them out for free, is like a tiny slice of universal healthcare. Not getting vaccinated and having to resort to a $2000+ Rogan "kitchen sink" is handing them 100x the money, out of pocket. Being in the hospital and being pumped full of all kinds of drugs, for weeks, even months, hands them even more money. Jimmy peddling Ivermectin, average price $100 for a bottle of 20 pills, as a preventative, is him peddling a more expensive alternative, paid for out of pocket. He's a grifter, selling you the opposite of what he claims to be for.
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@Fuwuzworsh It is absolutely not a strawman, to point out the absolute fact, that even the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, the most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. It is absolutely not a strawman to point out the math of having power in congress and that, as a third party, you could be completely ignored, until you get a majority, if the other two parties work together. You, apparently, have no clue what a "strawman" is.
AOC just used that PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives in the last primaries. She helped add a few more M4A advocates to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Some of the progressives she backed got absolutely trounced in very conservative districts, but a conservative Dem did end up winning the general. So, you Dore knobs are upset, that she wants the party to hold those seats in the midterms. I get it ... Dore knobs like Republicans in the majority, and progressives in a minority party.
Wait. On one hand, a Dore argument is that corporate Dems would rather work with, or lose to, Republicans, than they would to work with, or lose to, progressives. On the other hand, a Dore argument is that they'll hate losing to Republicans, so much, that they'll turn more progressive. You realize that that's gibberish, right? Both can't be true.
Just pretend that a hard all or nothing stance got you absolutely nothing, like you wanted.
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@campfiresong Apparently I've seen more of his reasoning, than you. I don't think you've noticed that I haven't said that he didn't say to use it as a talking point to primary corporate Dems. So did BGJ, in the article I just mentioned. That's totally irrelevant to additional things he has, in fact, stated himself or agreed with when other people stated them. You, on the other hand, are denying he gave any other reasoning, and are making excuses for him agreeing with others who gave more reasoning.
And, not only are you a complete bullshitter, but you're an idiot who didn't even grasp my original context. Even his wanting to use it as a talking point to run against corporate Dems, and that it will lead to getting M4A passed, implies he thinks a failed vote will make 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates rise up and run, and the millions, if not tens of millions, more progressive voters needed will rise up and vote for them.
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@D2 E2 What context, dimwit? Someone's either a shill or they aren't, they"re either paid opposition or they aren't, they're either a sellout or they aren't. It's baseless wingnut ridiculousness to use a label that implies that Pelosi and/or the DNC wanted AOC to beat the #2 corporate Dem in the house, want her in the house just for show, that she knows this and is happily playing the part, etc. And that is exactly what he has convinced hundreds of the commenters on his trash videos.
You mean like AOC, who voted against it, and who he's trashing? She's also a member of the Democratic Socialists of America. An organization that dropped out of the international organization because they thought it had become too capitalist. An organization that has been holding M4A rallies, that "M4A champion Jimmy Dore" hasn't been covering. She has more socialist cred than Dore.
If you think him simply spewing baseless accusations is evidence of anyone actually being a sellout or shill, then him making money, and increasing his fanbase with Trumpists, by bashing progressives is obviously more evidence that he's the actual shill.
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@Hunter_Brandon Actually, BGJ, and Dore, lied about Dore's plan. The original plan out of Dore's mouth, and for numerous times after, used that same "withhold" wording you're using now, or he'd say "don't vote for". Dore, on his own, never said to cast protest votes. His wording implied abstaining, which would have handed the speakership to McCarthy, because for every 2 empty seats, absentees, and/or abstentions, the threshold needed to win is lowered by 1. If Dore's 15 progressives had abstained, those 15 plus 2 empty seats, would have lowered the threshold needed to win by 8, down to 210. If every other Dem voted Pelosi, she could only get 207, at the time. If every Republican voted McCarthy, he could have gotten 211, and won the vote.
Sam knew where the original plan came from. To say he liked Dore's plan and then didn't like Dore's plan, simply because he didn't like Dore, makes no sense. Are you sure it wasn't because Dore started using it to slander progressives in congress, taking the thing in a whole other direction? Or, because flaws were found?
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@Hunter_Brandon Dore didn't say to cast protest votes. His original plan, to simply "withhold", or "don't vote", would have handed the speakership to McCarthy. The fact that Pelosi ended up winning the speakership with less than 218 votes, and speakers before have won with less than 218 votes, proves that Dore was wrong when he insisted it was impossible for McCarthy to win without 218 votes. His 15 would need to cast protest votes, which Dore wasn't saying to do, or McCarthy would have been speaker.
Even the amended plan, to cast protest votes, wouldn't necessarily be a threat to Pelosi. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats shy of being the majority of the party. They don't yet have the numbers to pick a progressive speaker. As long as the corporate Dem majority stuck with her, they could keep choosing Pelosi as the party speaker candidate over, and over, and over. All the 15 would be doing is paralyzing the house ... during a pandemic, meaning no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., with everyone blaming them. It could have been a PR nightmare. Plus, moving forward, now that you've openly started an all out civil war within the party, what happens when the progressive caucus does get those 15 more seats and picks the party speaker?
Going third party is nonsensical is what the issue is. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. But, let's say you magically got enough progressives to vote third party that a progressive puritan party wins the same number number of seats as the current progressive caucus, 97 in the house and 1 senator. What you'd have is a republican plurality in the house, that only needs to work with a handful of the most conservative corporate Dems to pass anything, and could completely ignore the progressive party. You'd have Trump as president, since progressives and Dems would have split their votes between their two candidates. And, you'd have Pence as the tie breaker in the senate, making it a Republican senate. On the other hand, getting only 15 more progressive seats, within the Dem caucus, would make them the majority, would allow them to pick the party speaker candidate, would allow them to set the party agenda and, if also the majority of the house, put forward whatever bills you want and pick committee members.
You know those committees that Dore doesn't consider important. Pelosi actually introduced M4A last session. The parliamentarian sent it to committees, where it died, where 90% of bills die. Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill, this session, and it has again been sent to committees. Instead of pressuring, calling out, or protesting, committee members to take up the bill, what are Dore, and his knobs, doing? Slandering AOC and Bernie, who were just trying to add another progressive vote to congress, in Nina Turner, who Dore abandoned.
The paths Dore takes, or proposes, seem to benefit the far right most.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Your Twitter take on the fund freezing was shit, I have to say. The Supreme Court had agreed that blockading a border is already illegal. That makes donating to illegal activities, not legal. They are following donations for illegal activities to the accounts (following the money). They are not picking people out of a crowd and tracking them to their accounts (following people). Simply don't take donations to do illegal shit, and this would never apply to you. Unless you're one of the fabled Soros sponsored protesters, and you're doing illegal shit, this would never apply to you.
Striking isn't illegal. Peaceful protest isn't illegal (blaring air horns 24/7, also not peaceful). Both of those are actually protected by the charter of rights. Comparing either of those to a border blockade (an actual military tactic), and what the Geneva conventions might consider sound torture, is nonsense.
Plus, the IRS and CRA are freezing assets without due process and without emergency powers, all the time. Prosecutors have the assets of people charged frozen, before trial so they don't offload and hide their money, without emergency powers, all the time. Freezing people's assets has been going on forever, which makes freaking out about this one time, when it's applied to far right anti-vax loons, and when it took emergency powers, a weird take. Biden just froze an entire country's assets, with no due process or emergency powers needed. Maybe have his powers limited, so he can only do something like that, if given emergency powers by congress.
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@Nanofuture87 Rofl. Pretty sure a government doesn't have to pretend a right is natural, just to assign something a right. People believed in the institution of slavery for thousands of years, believing certain people didn't have natural rights. Men didn't accept that women had natural rights for thousands of years. Humans haven't believed that other animals were magically handed natural rights, for thousands of years. There's no actual evidence that people have acted as if they actually believed natural rights exist, for thousands of years. They've cherry picked what they've considered a right and who is deserving of them, to suit their pleasure.
Without an organized society, people have the freedom to do whatever the hell they want, just like any animal. Not all freedoms are good. "Rights" protect freedoms that society, or societies, have deemed good. "Laws" restrict freedoms that society, or societies, have deemed bad.
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@Nanofuture87 What kind of gibberish "analogy" is that? No. It's like saying there are no laws, unless society creates laws, which is just a statement of fact. You're arguing as if an action can break a law, even if the society in question doesn't have a law against said action, which is nonsense.
Again, aside from opinions, there was zero evidence that Libertarians, "classic liberals", or what not, believed others had natural rights. There's no evidence of your centuries of claimed philosophy in action.
Can you, or can't you, claim a piece of property, that already has an apple tree on it? You seem to have to add qualifiers to make your argument. When did the fence come into play? Can you not claim property without building a fence?
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BalkanHound You're spouting nonsense. No ivermectin study has passed peer review.
https://www.politico.eu/article/rise-and-fall-of-coronavirus-miracle-cure-ivermectin/
In the real world, countries that have prescribed it are amongst the worst covid death rates in the world. The Czech Republic has also used ivermectin ... 4th worst covid death rate in the world.
Do you actually know how vaccines work? They boost your antibodies against a virus, often against a specific strain. Antibodies don't work like a forcefield, with the virus bouncing off of you. They actually go to work, when you get the virus, and try to eradicate it before it becomes serious. And, they aren't always 100% effective. So, yeah, the vaccinated can get and spread covid. Israel has 90% of those over 60 vaccinated, 95% of those over 90. That's almost everyone in the most vulnerable groups. Their daily deaths have dropped to single digits, with days, even weeks, between days with deaths. A 20+x lower rate than the state of Georgia, which has a similar population, and a bunch of antivax idiots. Once you've vaccinated nearly everybody, then yes, the small amount of break through cases will be most of the people in the hospital, and they'll often recover better.
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woof beast I believe in relative morality. You're pulling a Sam Harris, and creating a straw man to argue with, instead of arguing against exactly what I said.
Credentials? This was my point. Sam somehow got a PhD for claiming he solved the is/ought problem and proved objective morality. Intent shouldn't come into play with objective morality. Something that's wrong should always be wrong. This promotion of relative morality, and this isn't the first time, proves his credentials are bogus nonsense, and that his thesis is crap.
I don't buy your bullshit, that he has contributed anything much, at all. I think he got a PhD based on a complete failure to understand what the word "objective" means. He also doesn't understand how simple mutual deterrence works. He has a fondness for regurgitation old crap as something new. Atheistic Buddhism is nothing new. Utilitarian morality is nothing new. Well being is nothing new. As a supposed neuroscientist he should, at minimum, understand how a damn phobia works, but he fails at even that.
You back up your bullshit assertion, and produces something I should consider a great contribution, rather than asking me to prove your assertion false.
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woof beast Learn to read. Sam (the objectivist), not me (the relativist), should back up his objective morality stance and believe that if something is wrong, then it is always wrong. See, there's no contradiction, if I'm actually talking about two different people. Neat how that works, eh?
Sam got his PhD for the thesis The Moral Landscape. He took the philosophy route to neuroscience, not the biology route. He's not a scientist. He's a philosopher...and not a good one.
The straw man was pretending I took an objective morality position myself, and then attacking it. I stated nothing about me, or my position. You were attacking some opponent you made up in your head. You started this second reply off with a straw man too, arguing against something I didn't actually say, because you have a reading comprehension problem. Focus man.
I've read enough of his crap. He clearly shows that he has no clue what the word "objective" actually means...
"Consider, by analogy, the game of chess. Now, if you’re going to play good chess, a principle like, “Don’t lose your Queen,” is very good to follow. But it clearly admits some exceptions. There are moments when losing your Queen is a brilliant thing to do. There are moments when it is the only good thing you can do. And yet, chess is a domain of perfect objectivity. The fact that there are exceptions here does not change that at all."
What actually is objective, about chess? The board is 8 squares by 8 squares. Certain pieces are allowed to move in a certain ways. If your king is captured, you lose the game. And, that’s about it. A good principle is not "objective", at all. What you ought to, and ought not, do is totally relative to your goal, and the situation you are in. Even winning being the goal isn’t an “objective” truth. If you are playing your child, and want to let them win, then you ought to let your king be captured. If you’re in a situation where you believe the best move is to lose your queen, then you ought to lose your queen. There is no “perfect objectivity” to chess. You make your move relative to the situation you are in, and relative to your end goal.
Sam seems to have a serious problem understanding, exactly, what “objective” means. It should mean that something is true, independent of a mind. Something that is objectively true should always remain true. If a mind is deciding that something is true sometimes, but false at other times, to suit them, then that something should not be considered “objective”. It's relative.
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woof beast The part, between the quotes, was a quote, dumbass.
"Consider, by analogy, the game of chess. Now, if you’re going to play good chess, a principle like, “Don’t lose your Queen,” is very good to follow. But it clearly admits some exceptions. There are moments when losing your Queen is a brilliant thing to do. There are moments when it is the only good thing you can do. And yet, chess is a domain of perfect objectivity. The fact that there are exceptions here does not change that at all."
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@nuoiptertermer4484 I don't give a crap what he fantasized would happen. Him vastly overestimating benefits, and vastly underestimating risks, benefits the far right. He outright does go on right wing talk shows, doesn't challenge them, and agrees with right wing nonsense. Only complete idiots would be shocked, and don't know that ancappers and Libertarians will agree with the non authoritarian left on some non authoritarian issues. That doesn't make them decent allies ... which Dore did promote even before the guy came on, after spending weeks trashing other progressives over a disagreement on a single tactic ... for anything other than some single issues.
Dore has proven that he's a lazy pathetic hypocrite, that expects everything to be done for him. He trashes people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. He does absolutely nothing with the $15 vote, except continue bitching about those who voted for it, after spending weeks promoting the idea that just getting a vote on an important bill was a big accomplishment, that it would lead to big things, that having a list of no voters would be a big deal, ... all bullshit.
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David's M4A analysis was way off, a couple days ago. He used a nonsensical extreme example of a 5b population while still having a fixed $100b in revenue to work with, arguing you'd have to give up quality. But, revenue would increase, or decrease, depending on the population size. If you're generating about $4k of revenue per capita for healthcare with a population of 5m, you'd have $20b to work with. A population of 5b would give you $20t to work with.
I'm also not sure what metric he was using for quality, because going by life expectancy, infant mortality, maternal mortality, leaving tens of thousands of people without access also leaves them without quality, and makes those overall metrics worse.
Other developed countries both pay less per capita and get better overall results.
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@mellow_badger8585 Not at all upset. You don't have to worry your little Dore knob head, about me.
It is literally not a town square, exactly because the town doesn't own it. They are private social clubs, with tos you need to adhere to, to retain your membership. Private clubs have been revoking memberships, since the dawn of private clubs. Private property owners have been having people removed from their private property since the dawn of private property. You have no right to be on someone else's private property, which means you have no right to be on their private property spewing whatever you want. If Trump walked into some golf club's ladies change room one too many times, as he is prone to do, and got a number of warnings not to, nobody would care if his membership was revoked. He'd also lose access the property, and saying what he wants on the property. That's the way private property works.
Right wingers are the private property pushers. They're the ones that handed giant corporations so much power. They're the ones that made them equivalent to people, and argued they could have their own beliefs. They just get upset when those beliefs don't align with theirs. If Hobby Lobby was doing something anti-women, or Chick-fil-A was doing something anti-gay, they'd have no problem with it. They're only upset because they can't incite insurrections, defame voting machine companies, and spread covid and vaccine misinformation, without consequences. None of those things would necessarily even be protected speech in public, either.
They're fine with outright using the government to make anti-BDS laws. They were fine with the government (head of government) firing, or threatening to fire, people who said things that contradicted him. They're fine with maintaining the FCC to protect their delicate conservative sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. Etc. These aren't people that actually care about free speech, or they'd support the one way to get it. No, they just want to try and regulate things in a way that protects them from consequences.
Rofl. I know the history of the ACA. So, the thing that Republicans didn't introduce to congress as their own policy, that they all voted against, that they have tried to repeal dozens of times over, that Trump ran on repealing, that they are still trying to repeal and are still fighting in court, is "their" big policy for the lower class?
I've never argued that Democrats don't do things to harm the working class. I'm asking about what pro working class policies the right has. The left has things like M4A, the Green New Deal, student loan relief, free college, affordable housing, etc., etc., etc. Sure, a bunch of corporate Dems aren't left enough, and need replacing, to make any of those happen. Upper and lower class has always been the same thing as right and left. The upper class has always managed to get some working class stooges on board, to support their crap that doesn't do anything for the working class. If your best example of "their" policy that helped the working class is something they voted against and have constantly fought against, that's pretty sad.
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Africans were originally only indentured, in the North American colonies, like many white immigrants. First, the colonies made it illegal to enslave other Christians, which targetted the non Christians from Africa, and Natives, without saying so. As black slaves adopted Christianity, the laws became race specific. The colonies ended up taking away the rights of many free black people, when they adopted race base chattel slavery.
Slavery did not take hold in Britain proper, because it didn't survive old British laws. Even if there were any African chiefs willing sell all their people to white folks in Britain, it wouldn't have made a difference. Slavery was against the law, there, period.
The North American colonies also stopped importing slaves. So, even if there were any African chiefs selling them, the colonies were no longer buying them. White Americans took on the role of breeding black people, solely for the purpose of enslaving all of them, all on their own. There's no blaming that on someone else.
And American Southerners loved the institution of slavery so much, they were willing to fight, kill, and even die, for the "right" to own, torture, rape, and murder, other human beings.
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Rofl. Ben "facts don't care about your feelings" Shapiro's entire worldview is based on a fairytale. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. And, other early Zionists said similar things. Like Ze'ev predicted, Palestinians have been reacting to colonialism, like everyone else before them. No religious nuttery required, for that reaction. Even Native Americans reached a point, where they were so sick of being colonized, that they wanted to push the white man back into the sea. And, it wasn't simply because they were white, or did it have anything to do with the Natives' religion.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: You simply outright lied, about Israel not being an occupier. Nazis didn't actually live inside the Warsaw ghetto. Colonizing and occupying don't mean exactly the same thing. Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@themassage6534 She's an anarchist, dumb dumb. That is totally not authoritarian USSR style communism.
Who's pushing fascism/Nazism?
Fascism: ultra nationalism, anti-socialism, anti-union, anti-feminism, anti-democratic (which gerrymandering, voter suppression, and disenfranchisement all are), backed by big business, backed by religious leaders, pro expanding policing, pro expanding military, pro privatization ... seems to describe the Republican party.
Nazism: fascism on steroids + racism ... seems to describe pricks at "unite the right" rallies waving Confederate and Nazi flags or carrying tiki torches and driving into crowds, military dudes posting Nazi pictures, Richard Spencer and his National Policy Institute, idiots shooting up black churches, mosques, temples, synagogues, Hispanics shopping, etc.
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@jrodamores87 Cry about reality all you want, but it won't change it ...
Library of Congress: Crossing the Straights
"The first Cubans to flee were the wealthiest—affluent professionals and members of the Batista regime who feared reprisals from the new government. More than 200,000 of these "golden exiles" had left Cuba for the U.S. by 1962, when air flights between the two countries were suspended. Between 1965 and 1973, a few flights resumed from Varadero beach in Cuba, and 300,000 more Cubans, who became known as Varaderos, seized the opportunity to emigrate. Many of the Cubans of these first waves felt that it was only a matter of time before the new government was overthrown, and planned to wait in the U.S. for their opportunity to return."
Long View: How the Fight Against Castro Once Terrorized U.S. Cities
"On April 12, 1974, José Elías de la Torriente was sitting in his home in Coral Gables, Florida, when he was shot and killed by an unknown assailant firing through the living room window. Torriente, a prominent local businessman, had crossed Miami’s Cuban exile community after failing to follow through on plans to invade Cuba and overthrow Fidel Castro. His death marked the start of a period of political violence that would lead the FBI to call Miami the terrorist capital of the United States.
Though it’s largely forgotten today, some Cuban-American exile groups in the mid-1970s were responsible for one of the most impactful waves of terror in U.S. history. Authorities in that period tied them to 113 bombings on U.S. soil, killing around a dozen people. In 1974, Cuban exiles accounted for 45 percent of all terrorist bombings on the planet, according to José Luis Méndez’s Los Años del Terror."
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@picilocarnal Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors. And, other early Zionists said similar things. Like Ze'ev predicted, Palestinians have been reacting to colonialism, like everyone else before them. No religious nuttery required, for that reaction. Even Native Americans reached a point, where they were so sick of being colonized, that they wanted to push the white man back into the sea. And, it wasn't simply because they were white, or did it have anything to do with the Natives' religion.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: You simply outright lied, about Israel not being an occupier. Nazis didn't actually live inside the Warsaw ghetto. Colonizing and occupying don't mean exactly the same thing. Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@Pacman398 I don't give a crap if someone has a different opinion on a whole ton of crap, dimwit, so shove your strawman. Them having a difference of opinion on pizza toppings isn't going to hurt anyone. People can be convinced to do some horrible things, with just words. Manson deserved to be in prison, along with the people he convinced to commit the murders. Some general giving orders to commit war crimes deserves to be charged with war crimes right along with those who committed them. Now, if you can pick out the language that incites people, and stop them before they do terrible things, that would be better.
Do we really need to debate racist ideas for centuries to come, for example? Can't we just settle on everyone deserving equal rights, and someone like Richard Spencer promoting taking the right of all non-whites away, to be an unnecessary, and potentially harmful, idea?
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@SR-lh4rm Rofl. And every next stage the business gets to recoup their input VAT from their output VAT and only send the difference to the government, dumb dumb. Until the last stage, the final consumer, who doesn't get to reclaim their input VAT. Again, you're arguing for each stage to remain as a cost on businesses, which would allow for double taxation (exactly what an actual VAT is designed to avoid), which would be f-ing worse, you cultist nutjob.
Rofl. What is it you think exempting (which I think you're confusing for zero rating, just like Yang confused the two) or lesser rating actually does?
A public option isn't universal healthcare. LA county tried it, thinking it would lead to universal coverage, and it hasn't.
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@SR-lh4rm Omg, you are so stupid. The quote outright said they'd be paid back for the input VAT they paid. And, no, the VAT doesn't come anywhere close to taxing a business on its own value added. Where do you come up with this complete bullshit?
No, businesses are not final consumers, when it comes to the VAT. All their input VAT paid, on everything they've purchased for their business, can be subtracted from the output VAT they've collected, and they only send the government the difference. More bullshit.
I'm against a completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, politician spewing nonsense, and against a VAT/UBI combo that would funnel money to the top faster than ever before. Shove your bullshit irrelevant strawmen about me being anti-VAT, me being anti-tax, that don't make Yang's claims anymore true.
Seriously, he outright linked to a pass through rate study, and totally didn't grasp what it actually said. He totally misunderstood nobody paying taxes on half the things for businesses paying taxes on half the things. None of your made up VAT nonsense can ever fix that.
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@SR-lh4rm That was a whole lot of nonsense. Businesses are never the final consumer, because they are also selling goods and services to consumers themselves. Whatever input VAT they've paid, they can subtract from whatever output VAT they've collected from their own sales. Even if they have a return period where they've somehow paid more input VAT than they've collected in output VAT, they can then get a refund from the government for that amount. Businesses don't f-ing pay into a VAT, in the end.
Inventing some alternate tax, that leaves the cost on businesses, would be the opposite of what a VAT does, and would allow for double taxation. If my business bought something for $1000 and paid $100 in an additional 10% tax, then I would make sure to cover my extra costs. Instead of selling for my pre tax $2000, I'd now sell for $2100, to keep the profit margin the same. The next buyer would then get charged $210 additional tax, $10 of which would be a tax on the $100 tax I included in my price. If they used to sell for $3000, they'd now sell for $3210, to keep their profit margin the same. The next buyer would then pay $321 in additional tax, $21 of which would be taxes upon taxes.
You get it?
If I buy for $1000, pay $100 input VAT, know I'm going to get paid back, I then sell for $2000, collect $200 in output VAT, pay myself back $100, and send $100 to the government. The next sells for $3000, collects $300, keeps $200, and also sends $100 to the government.
What you're inventing would be f-ing worse. It's exactly what a VAT is designed to avoid. You are so amazingly clueless.
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@SR-lh4rm I'm arguing that businesses don't pay into a VAT, like Yang claimed. Therefore, giant corporations wouldn't pay into the UBI, via a VAT, as Yang claimed. Therefore, they'd only get the benefits of the UBI being spent, making them, and their owners, extra billions upon billions a year, funneling money to the very top faster than ever before.
That's an entirely different point than consumption taxes being regressive, which is just a fact. Even if you give everyone $1k a month, consumption taxes would still be a higher percentage of poorer persons income than a rich persons.
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@SR-lh4rm Why would it be always? For one, a business would have to have the money to constantly buy enough stuff for their input VAT to always exceed their output VAT. For another, that would mean their sales are constantly lower than their expenditures, and the business would fail. And, lastly, why would a business just randomly buy crap, simply to get their input VAT numbers up, just to reclaim their input VAT? You're making no sense, as usual.
Not having corporations pay into a UBI is what would have money funneling to the top, and make it unsustainable. Not simply the UBI itself. Therefore, a VAT/UBI combo, which wouldn't have corporations paying into the UBI would be unsustainable. Not sure where I keep losing you. That shouldn't be so hard to grasp. Consumption taxes are regressive by default, so what's to dispute? I'm arguing that that aspect is completely irrelevant to money being funneled to the top. I get that you very much like bringing in completely irrelevant points, and inventing arguments for me for you to argue with yourself about, but I'm not a fan.
No. If the UBI was funded by corporations, then the money would simply circulate to the people, back to them, back to the people, back to them, etc. If the people are funding the UBI, it goes from the people, to the people, to the corporations, where they, and their super rich owners who live on stocks and options, will get even richer.
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@SR-lh4rm ROFL!!!!!!!!!! You said absolutely nothing, at all, of relevance to what I was saying. That was absolutely hilarious! Thank you.
Yes, if you think someone has described a loophole, or some way to "game the system", then you should be able to give an example of how that might happen. You just can't, because you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. You're babbling nonsense.
It doesn't matter which way you do your accounting. For the VAT period in question, you fill out a VAT return, and simply list all input VAT paid during that period on all expenses for the business, and list all output VAT collected during that period on sales. You subtract input VAT from output VAT, paying yourself back for all input VAT, and sending the government the difference. Or, if you've somehow paid more input VAT than you've collected in output VAT, you send for a refund from the government, and still get paid back all your input VAT.
There's no loophole, because it's specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in the first place. There's no "gaming the system", when the system isn't designed to tax you in the first place. There's no way to make money off it, without committing a crime.
You are so absolutely clueless. How many hours have you spent inventing bullshit. Go watch a few min video on how a VAT works. Amazon, who Yang claimed a VAT would tax, even has tutorials on exactly how a VAT doesn't tax businesses, even for non resale B2B expenses. You're quite insane cultist.
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@anderseckstrand7033 AOC supports M4A. She shares that support for M4A on a platform that reaches 40x more people than Jimmy. On top of her 10m direct audience, a single M4A tweet of hers was retweeted 70 thousand times, compared to Jimmy's best, at under 2k (and that was during this big "trending" moment he thinks he's having). The woman absolutely destroys Jimmy at the only thing he does.
On top of that, she was the one who took out the #2 corporate Dem, she started a progressive PAC to counter the DCCC, she fended off another DCCC backed corporate Dem, her PAC helped get more progressives elected to congress even as corporate Dems lost seats (which is why she was punished, as they mentioned) ... you know, doing the things, getting progressive numbers up, that need doing to actually get M4A to pass. That's the kind of stuff that will have to still happen after Jimmy's vote fails, anyway.
She has done more for the progressive movement in 2 years than Jimmy has in 20. And, Sam, well he did his best in 2016 to convince at least one moron, that Trump was dangerous, and that multiple scotus seats being filled was a possibility and also dangerous, but ... the idiot stuck to his guns, thinking Trump would be better for progressives, would bring about a massive progressive wave leading to a 2020 Warren presidency, that Republicans would even work with the left against the "maniacal fascist", and that the likelihood of Trump filling multiple scotus seats was on par with the moon falling into Lake Michigan. Maybe Sam could have done more, pushed back even harder, but it's not really Sam's fault that the guy was so stupid.
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@Evirthewarrior There's already a record of people who haven't signed on to M4A. You'll get an updated record, when the bill is reintroduced next session. AOC just helped replace some corporate Dems who wouldn't. You still need to replace almost 100 politicians in the house and a couple dozen in the senate. If Jimmy has 100 new pro-M4A progressives in his back pocket, why didn't he pull them out and run them in the election that just happened? If you can't even replace all the ones already openly opposed to M4A, trying to get a few extra names of fakers isn't going to help you much. A vote guaranteed to fail won't even necessarily expose fakers. They could vote for it without worrying it will pass.
What do you mean it would already have passed the house? You're delusional. It needs almost 100 more people to sign on for it, in the house alone.
No. It's not "literally impossible" for the Republican candidate to win. It's majority of votes cast. For every 2 abstentions, absents, or unfilled seats, the threshold needed to win drops by 1. Jimmy arguing that corporate Dems would rather work with Republicans than progressives is actually an argument against his plan, not for it, since it increases the risk they'd work together against progressives.
And if they just let you keep paralyzing the government, during a pandemic, that could also look bad on progressives. No votes on a minimum wage increase. No votes on lowering the social security age. No votes on more covid relief. Etc. They'd definitely propagandize it all, to make progressives look as bad as possible.
Jimmy thought the moon would fall into Lake Michigan before Trump could fill multiple scotus seats. He's not good at risk assessment. Negatives, that he makes out to be impossible, actually aren't impossible.
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@Evirthewarrior You know this is all a secondary tactic disagreement, right? Getting M4A is the goal. The primary tactic of converting or replacing enough people in congress to actually pass M4A is the primary tactic, because that's the only possible way to pass a bill in congress. Whether the secondary tactic of forcing the vote would provide ammo for the primary tactic ànd speed up the process, whether it could backfire in some way and hinder the process, whether people would forget it in 2 years and it be neither good or bad, or whatever, that's the actual debate. As long as progressives are working at the primary tactic, they aren't doing nothing. It may not be fast enough for your liking, but Jimmy and posse slandering and trashing progressive politicians, over a secondary tactic disagreement, could damage even those small gains, and starting a third party likely won't even get you a seat in congress for decades, let alone M4A, and could split progressive votes enough to let Republicans and corporate Dems rule for decades. He's both impatient and willing to take the longest path to victory. He doesn't really make much sense.
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@Evirthewarrior If someone just used her platform and PAC to do the very thing you need to do (add more pro-M4A votes in congress) to ever be able to pass a M4A bill, if she just fought against the very corporate Dems you want out (opposing DCCC backed corporate Dems), if she just got punished by them for doing that (threw punches and took a punch) then some cowardly armchair general calling her a "fake", "shill", and "wimp", is pure slander, and a stab in the back.
He doesn't actually give a fuck if anyone gets healthcare. He has his, and is willing to start from scratch, take a century for a third party to get a single seat, and let Republicans and corporate Dems rule, as he works on splitting the progressive vote. If anyone is a "fake" and a "shill" it's the one trashing progressives and the gains made.
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@Evirthewarrior Fascists are fascists before they get complete power. 28% of Republicans, and many Republican lawmakers, don't want Trump to concede under any circumstances. Whether it happened, or not, they've embraced overt fasism and the end of the democratic process. Many are leaving their already batshit crazy FOX News for even more extreme absolutely nonsensical propaganda stations. He packed in tons of conservative judges, including multiple scotus seats (When Jimmy did his risk assessment, he even agreed that would be horrible, he just thought it was as likely to happen as the moon falling into Lake Michigan. Is it horrible or not?). You lot are insane, yourself, if you think that's samesies as neolibs. And even more insane, if you think progressives are samesies as neolibs.
We might not be talking about M4A, if it weren't for Bernie. Him recognizing that Republicans are even worse, and opposing them, just means he's sane. And, AOC helping to add extra Pro-M4A votes to congress is exactly what you need to happen to ever pass it.
Many of the anti-mask protesters, etc., have been Trump cultists, encouraged by their cult leader. Why would it have been worse, without their cult leader? Why would it have been worse with a pandemic response team prepared to act? The US has had a pathetically low testing rate, one of the most important things to actually contain the virus. Why would it have been worse? N Korea's president gathered corporate leaders and told them the country would need a ton of masks, and it got done. That's leadership. It didn't take forcing them. It had nothing to do with whether federal, state, or local politicians had what powers. Trump's response has been complete incompetence. He also repeatedly threatened state and local politicians going against his bullshit, with defunding. He encouraged his cult to ignore them. Even if they have more control over some things, he fought against them.
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@Evirthewarrior Fuck you're stupid. Tests per day is also a number totally disconnected from your covid numbers.
If country A sits back and only tests people with symptoms who come in to get tested, then they won't catch the completely asymptomatic carriers, or those who will develop symptoms but haven't developed them yet. Those people will infect more and more people. They won't get ahead of the virus and it will keep spreading. More and more people will then get covid and more and more symptomatic people will come in for tests. The country will end up doing a ton of tests, but still never get ahead of the virus.
If country B actively tests 100 people that possibly came into contact with someone who had a positive result, they'll catch completely asymptomatic carriers and people who haven't developed symptoms yet, and can have them quarantine themselves, getting ahead of the virus and keeping more infected people away from others. This country will get ahead of the virus, flatten its curve, and might not have to do as many total tests, tests per million, or tests per day, exactly because their better testing rate helped reduce the numbers of infected.
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@Zackariah Schultz If you say things like "I will argue", with zero reference to others arguing the same thing before, then you're presenting the argument as your own, not simply something you agree with. Might be fine for a casual conversation, but not for a lecture, article, or whatever, presenting yourself as a scholar in the field. What ... do you want an entire lecture, or article, quoted here, showing an absence of him giving credit to other philosophers before him? All his lectures and articles? Lol
Criticizing a specific idea is different from fearmongering about people and arguing to discriminate against them. You know the difference between criticizing authoritarian forms of communism and regressively fearmongering against left leaning people of all sorts, like during McCarthyism, right? If you've never heard him present simply "Muslims" as a problem in a "thought" experiment, like with nuclear weapons for example, or never heard him argue to profile Muslims, then why are you so worried about someone you know little about?
Do you also know there's a difference between a book and a religion? Harris has outright said himself that he just recently learned this from Nawaz, which then contradicts a number of his previous arguments, and validates the critics of those previous arguments.
His AI argument has to do with an AI as advanced to us as we are to ants. He argues we'd have to worry about it having different values, that don't align with ours, and it turning against us. But, if you use the same argument he uses for Moral Landscape, then the AI's values should be objectively better than ours, and the AI should objectively have more value than us. Contradicting his own hierarchy argument, which gives us more value than ants, Sam still values humans more than the advanced AI. If his hierarchy was truly objective, then any future AI, or other species, found to be more advanced than us, should objectively have more value than us.
No, simply calling someone else an idiot isn't idiotic. Repeatedly presenting arguments that contradict your other arguments is idiotic. Presenting old ideas as your own is idiotic. Not being able to get any further than what you already say is a given is idiotic. Constantly presenting non-analagous "analogies" is idiotic. Etc.
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@Backhand77 If two candidates will both cage kids (and you ignore some nuance), but one also wants to toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, while the other wants to add people to Medicaid expansion, Medicare, and possibly have a public option, then voting for the later is reducing harm. If a third candidate, that has zero shot at winning, and voting for them would give the first candidate more of a shot at winning, voting for them is, at best, being insignificant, and at worst allowing for more harm.
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@lamarjackson5056 You're still having trouble sticking to your opening line.
There are about 6m reported automobile accidents a year, and about 37k deaths. That is a case fatality rate a little over 0.6% (almost 3x lower than the covid case fatality rate you posted). There are an estimated 10m unreported accidents. That is a mortality rate a little over 0.2% (about 5x lower than the estimated 1% mortality rate for covid). By your "logic", we shouldn't have all these street lights, speed limits, seatbelt laws, child seat laws, drinking and driving laws, vehicle safety standards, licensing, etc., to try and reduce the number of accidents and/or lower the death rate, right?
Only 1-2% of polio cases results in paralytic polio. 5-15% of paralytic polio cases result in death. That's a mortality rate as low as 0.05%. By your "logic", we should stop giving the polio vaccine (mandated for immigrants and public school kids), right?
What does the mortality rate, or case fatality rate, need to be, exactly, before we should bother taking any action to reduce the number of cases and deaths?
Those are pretty simple questions, based on your original premise. Can you answer any?
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@thehappyclam3942 YouTube not liking some word here ...
@thehappyclam3942 Htler was backed by leading German industrialists. He promised his backers that he wouldn't be redistributing wealth. Nzis allied with other far right parties, to form the Harzburg Front. They literally klled off any prominent left leaning members, on the Night of the Long Knives. They went after communists, socialists, and unionists, first, for "illegal socialist activity". Htler blamed Jws for creating socialism, because Marx was of Jewish descent. He blamed the Communist Party for the Reichstag fire, claimed they were "trrorists", outlawed them, and rounded them up.
Mussolini denied the class struggle, that is the very foundation of socialism/communism. He promoted accepting your lot in life, and just working hard, for the betterment of the nation, in an "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country", kind of way. The Nzis were a little more, "For God and country!" ... People simply working together, towards a goal, doesn't equate to communism/socialism.
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@thehappyclam3942 @thehappyclam3942 YouTube not liking some word here ...
@thehappyclam3942 Htler was backed by leading German industrialists. He promised his backers that he wouldn't be redistributing wealth. Nzis allied with other far right parties, to form the Harzburg Front. They literally klled off any prominent left leaning members, on the Night of the Long Knives. They went after communists, socialists, and unionists, first, for "illegal socialist activity". Htler blamed Jws for creating socialism, because Marx was of Jwish descent. He blamed the Communist Party for the Reichstag fire, claimed they were "trrorists", outlawed them, and rounded them up.
Mussolini denied the class struggle, that is the very foundation of socialism/communism. He promoted accepting your lot in life, and just working hard, for the betterment of the nation, in an "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country", kind of way. The Nzis were a little more, "For God and country!" ... People simply working together, towards a goal, doesn't equate to communism/socialism.
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@thehappyclam3942 YouTube not liking some word here ...
@thehappyclam3942 Htler was backed by leading German industrialists. He promised his backers that he wouldn't be redistributing wealth. Nzis allied with other far right parties, to form the Harzburg Front. They literally klled off any prominent left leaning members, on the Night of the Long Knives. They went after cmmunists, scialists, and unionists, first, for "illegal socialist activity". Htler blamed Jws for creating socialism, because Mrx was of Jwish descent. He blamed the Cmmunist Party for the Reichstag fire, claimed they were "trrorists", outlawed them, and rounded them up.
Mssolini denied the class struggle, that is the very foundation of scialism/cmmunism. He promoted accepting your lot in life, and just working hard, for the betterment of the nation, in an "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country", kind of way. The Nzis were a little more, "For God and country!" ... People simply working together, towards a goal, doesn't equate to cmmunism/scialism.
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@thehappyclam3942 @thehappyclam3942 YouTube not liking some word here ...
@thehappyclam3942 Htler was backed by leading German industrialists. He promised his backers that he wouldn't be redistributing wealth. Nzis allied with other far right parties, to form the Harzburg Front. They literally klled off any prominent left leaning members, on the Night of the Long Knives. They went after cmmunists, scialists, and unionists, first, for "illegal socialist activity". Htler blamed Jws for creating socialism, because Mrx was of Jwish descent. He blamed the Cmmunist Party for the Reichstag fire, claimed they were "trrorists", outlawed them, and rounded them up.
Mssolini denied the class struggle, that is the very foundation of scialism/cmmunism. He promoted accepting your lot in life, and just working hard, for the betterment of the nation, in an "Ask not what your country can do for you - ask what you can do for your country", kind of way. People simply working together, towards a goal, doesn't equate to cmmunism/scialism.
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@hajkie No. He called out the bombing of a refugee camp. He seemed fine with everything else. His starting point was that Hamas was the aggressor. He didn't want to hear any context. He threw people providing context under the bus, and in the same box with people openly cheering the Hamas attack. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@rachelh7886 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@nowere4579 It happens. Trumpty Dumpty helping get his people arrested and even killed.
"Last week, Abigail Jo Shry, 43, of Alvin, Texas, was arrested by federal agents and charged with threatening to kill the federal judge overseeing the prosecution of former President Donald Trump.
A week earlier, Craig Robertson, 75, of Provo, Utah, was shot and killed by FBI agents who were trying to arrest him on charges of making social media threats against President Joe Biden and the Manhattan district attorney who has brought charges against Trump."
"ATLANTA (AP) — An Alabama man has been indicted on federal charges that he threatened violence against a Georgia prosecutor and sheriff related to an investigation into former President Donald Trump."
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@The_S_Soldier Why you lying in multiple threads?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@kurtvanderberg7528 I can. To be frank, and honest, you are obviously not very bright. Hearing that, apparently, hurt your feelings, so much, that it rendered you unable to respond to anything else I said. "Dumb" has a definition, and all the evidence you provided indicates that's an objective conclusion.
Not an "ad hominem", though. "You're X" =\= ad hominem. "You're X, therefore you're wrong" = ad hominem. Ironically, "You're a meanie, therefore you've got nothing", is an ad hominem.
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@AvaAdore-wx5gg And what was happening in Greece, and with the Eastern Orthodox church, was the spark of Eastern Orthodox pogroms against Jews in Russia, started by Greeks in Odessa.
"In Odessa, Greeks and Jews were two rival ethnic and economic communities, living side by side. The first Odessa pogrom, in 1821, was linked to the outbreak of the Greek War for Independence, during which the Jews were accused of sympathizing with the Ottoman authorities and of aiding the Turks in killing the Greek Patriarch of Constantinople, Gregory V, dragging his dead body through the streets and finally throwing it into the Bosphorus."
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@michaelbishell7563 Most of their arguments are total nonsense.
Drugs!: Over 90% of drugs are seized at points of entry. Over 80% of drug traffickers are Americans. Little to do with the undocumented crossers.
Replacement!: The vast majority are descended from European Spaniards, Native Americans, or both, and almost all are Christians. Descendants of European colonizers can't really be "replaced" by other European colonizers, or natives.
Space! Jobs!: The same people arguing there are plenty enough jobs and space, for hundreds of thousands of extra unwanted babies per year. Johnson even argued they're needed, to keep SS and Medicare afloat. The same argument would apply to immigrants.
Cheap labor!: Florida decided it's no problem, for children to compete for full time jobs, at 85% of minimum wage.
Crime!: They can spew some anecdotes, but undocumented immigrants commit crimes at half the rate of natural born citizens. The undocumented actually try harder to stay out of trouble, so they aren't deported.
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@jashshah5049 Dimwit. Conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people for millennia. They're the biggest snowflakes on the planet. There's still an FCC protecting their delicate sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. Right wing nationalists promoted firing people for kneeling, because kneeling made them melt. Right wingers, corporate Dems included, have passed anti-bds laws. Giant corporations, run by centibillionaires, aren't even leftists, by a long shot. It's not even comparable how much more right wingers love censorship, and have used the law, military, and violence, to do it, over the years. They just tried to cancel the democratic process, ffs. Push for public ownership, if you want freedom of speech. Actual leftists have been promoting public ownership for a century, and the right have opposed it, instead backing giant corporations and billionaires.
Rofl. Now you're talking complete nonsense. You moved from better than them combined, to better than any, based on one thing most Muslim majority countries don't even do? Ridiculous.
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@jashshah5049 Rofl. You hypocrites didn't care when the actual government (president) fired, or threatened to fire, people that contradicted him. You don't care when the actual government makes it harder, or more dangerous, to protest. You don't really care about the actual government violating free speech rights. You don't care when Marge threatens to cancel cell phone businesses, if they comply with a lawful subpoena. You don't care about calls to fire athletes, and don't care when they're told to shut up and dribble. You don't care when right wing mouthpieces cut people's mics, or kick them off the air. You don't care about calls to cancel Nike, Disney, Captain Marvel, or whoever right wingers are upset with that day.
Plenty of lefties have been banned, or suspended from social media. Again, those running social media aren't lefties. The FB PAC has donated more to Republicans than Democrats. The FB algorithm was found to be promoting right wingers, like Shapiro. They just don't like extremist nutbars promoting a civil war, or promoting mass death. Corporations want society running smoothly, and don't want their consumer base dying off in large numbers. They want to keep making large quantities of money.
Treat it like a public utility? Don't right wingers want to privatize "public utilities", like in Texas? You hypocrites are all for privatization, and free markets, until it bites you in the ass.
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@moscowboyjer Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@jhallin5185 Nordic countries have some of the more evenly mixed economies. What is it you think mixed economies are a mix of, if not capitalism (privately owned and operated) and socialism (publicly owned and operated)? Sure, they aren't 100% socialist, but to pretend they're not, at all, socialist, is nonsensical.
If those are your ideas of "true" socialism, then what is Marxism? The Marxist ideal is a non authoritarian, stateless, version of what, if not socialism? Saying those are "true" socialism is like saying fascism is "true" capitalism.
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@matthewgoedtel5998 Pakman is acting like an "enlightened centrist", not much different than Piers Morgan, when there are objective facts that Israel is the aggressor. Being in the middle, not recognizing reality, is somewhat as delusional as being opposed to reality. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@FoxExcess Saying they wanted to be seperate from the British is like saying Confederates wanted to be seperate from the Union. It has nothing to do with the cause of the whole situation. The cause was a tax to pay for the red coats stationed there, who kept the peace and defended the colony during the French-Indian war. Colonialist leaders actually went out of their way, trying not to separate, and to resolve their grievances through the British government.
Pretending like there isn't a problem with US cops, and like everyone they harm deserves it, is simply moronic. Even with the internet, you somehow haven't seen cops caught on a security cam beating the shit out of someone who wasn't resisting, which they claimed was? You haven't seen a video of cops shooting a kid with a toy gun before the car even completely comes to a stop? You haven't seen a video of a cop caught on someone's cell phone shooting a guy in the back and then planting a gun? Etc. Etc. Etc. Do you somehow think that every bad cop has magically been caught on camera, and that there aren't a bunch more of them that haven't been?
Christ, the colonialist protesters were violently throwing rocks at red coats when the red coats shot and killed only 5 of them, and they considered that a "massacre", and the red coats in the wrong, blaming all of them, and the government, for the actions of a few. You don't seem to give a crap if cops line up like a firing squad and blast a kid full of holes, just for holding a knife. Face it. You're the authoritarian, on the side of King Dumpty. Are you also ones of those idiots whose ready to do away with the democratic process?
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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Total tests, or tests per million, are totally irrelevant numbers that are completely disconnected from the number of confirmed cases. For trace testing rates, you want tests per confirmed case. Countries like S Korea, New Zealand, and Australia, that flattened their curves quickly, tested 50+ people per confirmed case. Countries like Germany, or Canada, that took a few months to flatten their curves, have been testing in the 15-20 people per confirmed case range. The US was testing at around 5 people per confirmed case, for months. They've had a pathetic rate of testing.
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@andyc.9751 You Dore knobs don't grasp basic math, so don't actually grasp leverage. There are zero extra votes to be gained to the left of the party. Therefore, it is absolutely, 100%, impossible to pass a bill, if you lose Manchin's vote. On the other end, there is the entire Republican party to try and gain extra votes from, if you lose squad votes. By moving a bill to the right, and picking up enough Republican votes, squad votes aren't needed.
You're either a liar, or a dimwit. AOC was just campaigning for Nina, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress, because getting enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Dore, on the other hand, abandoned Nina, abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. So, which is it, liar or dimwit?
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@frankie4827 Hey MAGA moron, "Trump's" big stock market gains occurred during his first year, while Obama's last budget was still in effect. The stock market basically flatlined, at the start of 2018, when Trump's first budget, and his tax breaks for corporations and the rich, kicked in. Even with all the stock buybacks, falsely inflating stock values, that corporations spent their tax breaks on, the stock market barely held its head above water.
There has been no major change in border policy, and no open borders. Your type keeps whining about drugs, when it has been well documented, for decades, that drugs mainly come across at legit border crossings. Drug dealers don't want their drugs washed down the river, or stuck in holding, dumb dumb. Plus, Trump had more border crossings, averaged out per year, than Obama. He wasn't better at it than the guy before him.
Gas prices started jumping under Bush. People don't seem to know that US oil companies have long complained that OPEC kept oil prices too low. Oil costs more to produce, in North America, so there's less of a profit margin. As soon as the US got a foot in OPEC, by invading Iraq, prices started jumping, handing US oil companies the larger profit margins they wanted, from NA oil. Prices spiked to $4.40 (adjusted to 2023 dollars). By the end of Obama's presidency, prices had dropped to $2.59 (2023 dollars). The price went back up to around $3 (2023), under Trump, and only dropped in 2020 (globally) due to COVID, not due to anything Dumpty did.
There is global inflation, due to rebounding from COVID, not due to anything Biden did. The US is actually doing better than many other countries.
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@JohnJ469 You are a complete and utter moron.
There are 2 axes, economic and authoritarian, so the terms I used were just fine. To make out like a 100% privately owned and operated absolute monarchy (100% totalitarian capitalism) is samesies to a society with all worker owned industries and a direct democracy (100% anarcho-socialism), simply because the latter is a kind of "socialism" is absolutely nonsensical. You'd have to be dumber than a stump, to believe that. One person owning everything is the complete opposite of everything being publicly owned. One person being the ultimate authority is the complete opposite of authority being in the hands of everyone.
Both Italy's and Germany's pre-war (all nations' war economies are more controlled) economies favoured privatization. They were leaders in it, at the time. Again, people just doing stuff together, as a group, isn't f*cking socialism. People could be trying to defeat socialism, as a group, and that's exactly what fascists tried to do. Nazis were literally arresting people for "illegal socialist activity", not "illegal international activity". Hitler literally killed off the left leaning members of his party on the Night of the Long Knives. He made a secret pamphlet, for his industrialist backers, telling them there would be no serious attempt to redistribute wealth. He handed his crony backers slave labour. He handed his crony backers Jewish businesses and property. He handed his crony backers seized businesses and property, after conquests. They got rich off of him. That's why they also stood trial, after the war, because they weren't doing it at gunpoint. To think that the monarch of Spain (who had enough military available to squash the fascists, but instead decided to back them, exactly because they had been fighting socialism), and other nobility, representing the epitome of private ownership, were socialists, is truly f*cking bizarre.
Plenty of governments got bossy during wartime, dictating what needed to be produced, dictating what couldn't be hoarded, dictating lights out, etc., etc., etc. ... that doesn't equate to socialism either. Every country in WWII didn't suddenly become magically "socialist", just more authoritarian.
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@Newton-Reuther Organizing or sponsoring? What are you looking for, exactly?
2 weeks ago: "AOC at a ramadan event in New York. Spoke about a ceasefire and conditioning aid to Israel! AOC has been calling for a ceasefire. Tonight, she spoke in a rally with Cori Bush to a group of rabbis."
"Progressive Democrats protest Israeli president's address to US Congress
Jul 18, 2023 — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Tlaib say they intend to boycott address due to Israel's treatment of Palestinians."
"Ilhan Omar leads 384 worldwide leaders in call for Gaza ceasefire
The American signatories are the representatives Omar, Jamaal Bowman, Cori Bush, André Carson, Greg Casar, Jesús García, Hank Johnson, Summer Lee, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley, Nydia Velázquez and Bonnie Watson Coleman."
"'Squad' Dems face backlash calling for 'ceasefire' after Israel attacks
Oct 7, 2023 — Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., called for a "ceasefire and de-escalation" after the surprise terrorist attack by Hamas on Israel."
"AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023 — Twenty-four Democrats in Congress have urged Joe Biden to end “grave violations of children's rights” by pushing for an immediate ceasefire"
Votes against the State Department appropriation bill (which includes the annual aid to IL), every year.
Bills to condition aid to IL.
Bills calling for ceasefire.
She, and the other progressives, are prepping to take on AIPAC sponsored opponents, shortly.
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You're disgusting. Lebanon, a much smaller, and much poorer, country, has 2m refugees from Palestine and Syria. Jordan, a much smaller, and much poorer, country, has over 3m refugees from Palestine and Syria. Turkey hosts more refugees than anyone else, in the world. Saudi and Egypt are across deserts, but host hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees, and Saudi donated over $20m to agencies caring for Palestinian refugees, last year.
How about the West, or their proxies, stop making refugees in the ME?
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@purplemonkeydishwasher9818 Rofl. You are, seriously, dumb. You're looking at how he legislates and responds to problems?
How did calling in the national guard work in the 60s? It didn't. Things kept escalating, until there was actual policy changes. What policy changes are Trump and other Republicans putting forth to deal with heavy handed policing? You know, other than him fondly recollecting the good ol' days, when you could beat up protesters?
He's the most inept leader, in his covid response, in the developed world. How are you good with him being responsible for tens of thousands of Americans dying? He's responsible for the need for continued lockdowns, unemployment, etc., by not flattening the curve quickly.
Even using his dumbass stock market meassure of the economy, almost the entire first year of his presidency, when the stock market made its biggest gains, was through Obama's last budget. Since Trump's first budget, his tax breaks kicking in, and the start of his trade wars, the stock market has almost flatlined.
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@purplemonkeydishwasher9818 Anyone who thinks Trump is competent has zero ability to accurately gauge whether someone is a clown, or not. You simply deflected on any police policy, and covid. Cuomo ... blah blah blah ... is also incompetent. Doesn't change the fact that Trump is incompetent, and you're a moron who thinks the opposite. All you're doing is arguing that Trump is completely full of shit, when he makes all his claims about all the supposed great things he's been doing, at a national level.
You're clearly the uninformed idiot. People connected to BLM have been putting out well thought out, and researched, demands, for years ...
https://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision
... and after years of being ignored, and decades of ever increasing police funding obviously not going into better and better training, gets you people being fed up and just wanting them defunded, dumb dumb.
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@purplemonkeydishwasher9818 You lot can't have it both ways. Either Trump has been completely bullshitting everyone, with his claims of getting and distributing supplies, bullshitting that he has the power to simply executive order that businesses be required to cover pre-existing conditions (which would mean he has the power to executive order businesses to do all kinds of things, like mass producing masks), etc., or he does have the power, and hasn't used it effectively, making him incompetent. Why vote for bullshit or incompetence, on top of the recent racism? Plus, you morons seem to think everything needs to be done by force. S Korea gathered business leaders, used coherent words to describe the coming threat, and what they thought needed to be done, and the business leaders jumped on board. Mr deal maker can't seem to make any actual deals, if his life depended on it. You're the one in the bubble of lies, dumbass.
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Right wing conservative religious types have been cancelling things, or trying to cancel things, for centuries ... women's rights, women's ankles, women's knees, women's thighs, women's nipples, women's degrees, minority rights, minorities immigration, minorities in white only spaces, mixed marriages, black human status, natives, PDA, naughty words, sex, LGBT rights, tons of books, rock and roll, Elvis's pelvis, other religions, other denominations of the same religion, socialists, unions, civil rights protesters, anti war protesters ...
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@fubarace1027 Rofl. You definitely have severe reading comprehension problems. I replied to exactly what you said about Confederate "stuff". Turning statues (stuff) into memorials for treason instead of a fight for slavery, is exactly rewriting history, dimwit ... history you claim statues are supposed to preserve. Turning it all into states rights nonsense, is bullshit history.
Rofl, are you pretending you're Spock, or something? If you, or anybody else, doesn't actually care about keeping that Confederate "stuff", then there shouldn't be an issue with ditching it all. Or, are your feelz, or someone else's, getting in the way of that happening?
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Everything the Republicans whine about, regarding the border, is complete nonsense.
90% of drugs come through points of entry. 80% of drug traffickers are Americans. Cartels aren't as stupid as the GOP. They use the least likely people to be stopped, not the most likely. They don't want their product swept downriver, laying in a desert, or tossed in holding.
Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at half the rate of natural born citizens. Most try to keep their heads down, and stay out of trouble, so they don't get immediately tossed.
Florida now says there are plenty enough jobs to let children compete to work full time, at 85% of minimum wage. Johnson not only thinks there's plenty of room and jobs, for hundreds of thousands of extra unwanted babies per year, he said they're actually needed, to keep SS and Medicare afloat.
As for being "replaced" ... Spanish and Catholicism come from Europe. It's European culture. Republicans don't care when that culture comes with white Cubans, like Cruz, Rubio, Salazar , or the like. It's only a problem when it comes with those whose ancestry is mainly Native American, from Central/South America. They're unironically afraid of being "replaced" by Native Americans.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh Then how the hell did you skip over 300 years of resistance, making out like it never happened? Native Americans hopes had to be crushed, and the population almost annihilated, to end resistance. No people welcomes being colonized and ethnically cleansed. Native Americans had originally welcomed and helped Europeans, but the Europeans turned on them. Jews had been living in Muslim countries for 1300 years. They fled to Muslim countries, when Christian countries offered conversion, death, or exile. But, you make out like their resistance is all about religion. What changed, about their religion, between 1917 and 1947?
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh Whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, whatabout, ... by your "logic", it was wrong to resist Genghis Khan, it was wrong to resist the Third Reich, it was wrong to resist Japan, etc., etc., etc.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh No, I'm not. The US literally has a separation of church and state, and doesn't have a legally stated ethnicity or culture. Most countries don't have a legally stated ethnicity or culture. I know it means more than just religion, which is why you, comparing it to countries that have a national religion, is dishonest. It's an ethno-state, exactly like I said, like the Third Reich was.
There are currently millions of Palestinians, denied a right of return, to vote for the government. Meanwhile, they hand out a right of "return" to any Jews in the world. There are currently millions more Palestinians, under occupation, denied the right to vote for the actual authority over them. Israel is k-lling women, children, closeted LGBTQ people, anyone Palestinian, and you have the gaul to say they respect women and the LGBTQ community?
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh Aside from all your pointl-ss what-bouting, you're inc-herent. IL has been ethn-c cleansing innocent people for decades. They've k-lled innocent people for decades. They've oppr-ssed and occ-pied people for decades. C-lonizers are never not the aggr-ssors, when it comes to the native population. You made it clear that you don't think people should resist the aggr-ssors. But, then you pretend like the aggr-ssors are the v-ctims, if people do, and claim they have a "right to d-fend" themselves.
You've basically argued that it was just fine for N-zis to do their inv-ding, col-nizing, occ-pying, ethn-c cleansing, gen-ciding, operating of open air gh-ttos, because G-nghis Kh-n, or somebody else, did such and such ... that it was wrong for res-stance groups to f-ght back, and they should have bent the knee, like the Vichy. You're batsh*t cr*zy, as far as I can tell.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh @JoellePeters-ej5nh Aside from all your pointl-ss what-bouting, you're inc-herent. IL has been ethn-c cleansing innocent people for decades. They've k-lled innocent people for decades. They've oppr-ssed and occ-pied people for decades. C-lonizers are never not the aggr-ssors, when it comes to the n-tive population. You made it clear that you don't think people should res-st the aggr-ssors. But, then you pretend like the aggr-ssors are the v-ctims, if people do, and claim they have a "r-ght to d-fend" themselves.
You've basically argued that it was just fine for N-zis to do their inv-ding, col-nizing, occ-pying, ethn-c cleansing, gen-ciding, operating of open air gh-ttos, because G-nghis Kh-n, or somebody else, did such and such ... that it was wrong for res-stance groups to f-ght back, and they should have bent the knee, like the V-chy. You're batsh-t cr-zy, as far as I can tell.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh @JoellePeters-ej5nh @JoellePeters-ej5nh Aside from all your pointl-ss what-bouting, you're inc-herent. IL has been ethn-c cleansing innocent people for decades. They've k-lled innocent people for decades. They've oppr-ssed and occ-pied people for decades. C-lonizers are never not the aggr-ssors, when it comes to the n-tive population. You made it clear that you don't think people should res-st the aggr-ssors. But, then you pretend like the aggr-ssors are the v-ctims, if people do, and claim they have a "r-ght to d-fend" themselves.
You've basically argued that it was just fine for N-zis to do their inv-ding, col-nizing, occ-pying, ethn-c cleansing, gen-ciding, operating of open air gh-ttos, because G-nghis Kh-n, or somebody else, did such and such ... that it was wrong for res-stance groups to f-ght back, and they should have bent the knee, like the V-chy. You're totally ins-ne, as far as I can tell.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh Aside from all your pointl-ss what-bouting, you're inc-herent. IL has been ethn-c cleansing innocent people for decades. They've k-lled innocent people for decades. They've oppr-ssed and occ-pied people for decades. C-lonizers are never not the aggr-ssors, when it comes to the n-tive population. You made it clear that you don't think people should res-st the aggr-ssors. But, then you pretend like the aggr-ssors are the v-ctims, if people do, and claim they have a "r-ght to d-fend" themselves.
You've basically argued that it was just fine for the Th-rd Re-ch to do their inv-ding, col-nizing, occ-pying, ethn-c cleansing, gen-ciding, operating of open air gh-ttos, because G-nghis Kh-n, or somebody else, did such and such ... that it was wrong for res-stance groups to f-ght back, and they should have b-nt the kn-e, like the V-chy. You're totally ins-ne, as far as I can tell.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh See, you completely missed the point. The point was that most tribes were almost wiped out, for whatever reason, before reaching the point of giving up and signing themselves to reserves. Absolutely nothing you're going on about, changes that fact. The whys of how disease spreads, and the history of viruses spreading, are entirely irrelevant. The point was about how most tribes felt, before deciding to give up. Again, for the slow ... People don't jump up and say "Please c-lonize and ethn-cally cleanse us!", they agree to it when they feel utterly defeated.
Just like before, with your endless pointless whatabouting, about Genghis Khan, and other irrelevant nonsense, that didn't change a single fact about Isrl-Plstn. Try to actually read what someone is saying, before going off on pointless tangents.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh And yet you keep talking about a small percentage of Native Americans, in Canada, as if that's the "one explanation", and apparently don't comprehend words like "the French were different", or "most", or "after initially welcoming and helping Europeans", or "c-lonize AND ethn-cally cleanse", etc.
If you want to be pedantic, let's start at the start ... You blamed the ones being c-lonized, who had accepted J-ws for some 1300 years, in P-lestine. So, comparably, what did the natives in the Caribbean do wrong, to get themselves c-lonized, ethn-cally cleansed, and g-nocided? They welcomed the newcomers, and then did what, to get themselves hunted by packs of dogs, for sport, worked to death as slaves, and such like?
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh You have yet to tell me a single thing I didn't already know. Except, I didn't know there were Viking records, detailing their interactions with natives. Clearly, there must be, since you thought they were relevant, because obviously you wouldn't bring up something completely irrelevant ... yet again. Do tell me all about Viking-Native relations. I'm very eager to hear.
It's you that has been the one generalizing all of the Americas and all the various interactions, and boiling it all down to the tiny little bit you know about a few interactions in Canada. A treaty that actually respects a tribe's land is exactly the opposite of c-lonizing and ethn-cally cleansing that tribe. So, guess what? Not even comparable to Pal. I specifically stated treaties to have a tribe's land colonized, and the tribe ethn-cally cleansed, you know ... because that's actually comparable to Zio-Pal. You, on the other hand, go on and on about completely irrelevant and incomparable nonsense, and that seems to be because you can't actually comprehend the point someone is making.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh I know about the freaking Viking settlement. I asked you for all the detailed records of Viking-Native relations. Surely you didn't think it was worthwhile mentioning them, just to say that irrelevant bit. Surely you had an actual f-cking point to mentioning them ... that they were relevant to the conversation. Are you some kind of really bad AI, or just really really d-mb?
Now you're in f-cking China again?! You're in favor of atr-cities, is how we got here. You blamed the victims of c-lonization and ethn-c cleansing, for fighting back. You're united with the c-lonizers, is all you are, and have made little sense, other than making that clear.
Because I was making an analogy to actual comparable events, you ignor-mus. The closest you've come to something relatively comparable is Big Bear, and you totally dodged my reply to it. Tell me how Big Bear was wrong to not sign a bad treaty. Tell me how Riel was wrong to resist. Tell me how the Canadian government was in the right, and that it would have been perfectly fine for them to k-ll off 10%+ percent of the Cree population, in response to Frog Lake.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh I know about the freaking Viking settlement. I asked you for all the detailed records of Viking-Native relations. Surely you didn't think it was worthwhile mentioning them, just to say that irrelevant bit. Surely you had an actual f-cking point to mentioning them ... that they were relevant to the conversation. Are you some kind of really bad AI?
Now you're in f-cking China again?! You're in favor of atr-cities, is how we got here. You blamed the victims of c-lonization and ethn-c cleansing, for fighting back. You're united with the c-lonizers, is all you are, and have made little sense, other than making that clear. You think it's okay for China to be doing what it's doing, and blame the Uyghur, if you're consistent. It's totally the Tibetans' fault, for getting themselves occ-pied, if you're consistent.
Because I was making an analogy to actual comparable events. The closest you've come to something relatively comparable is Big Bear, and you totally dodged my reply to it. Tell me how Big Bear was wrong to not sign a bad treaty. Tell me how Riel was wrong to resist. Tell me how the Canadian government was in the right, and that it would have been perfectly fine for them to k-ll off 10%+ percent of the Cree population, in response to Frog Lake.
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@JoellePeters-ej5nh I know all about the freaking Viking settlement. I asked you for all the detailed records of Viking-Native relations. Surely you didn't think it was worthwhile mentioning them, just to say that irrelevant bit. Surely you had an actual point to mentioning them ... that they were relevant to the conversation. Are you some kind of really bad AI?
Now you're in Ch-na again?! You're in favor of atr-cities, is how we got here. You blamed the victims of c-lonization and ethn-c cleansing, for fighting back. The only unity you showed was being united with the col-nizers in blaming the col-nized, and have made little sense, other than making that abundantly clear. You think it's okay for Ch-na to be doing what it's doing, and blame the Uygh-r, if you're consistent.
Because I was making an analogy to actual comparable events. The closest you've come to something relatively comparable is Big Bear, and you totally dodged my reply to it. Tell me how Big Bear was wrong to not sign a bad treaty. Tell me how Riel was wrong to resist. Tell me how the Canadian government was in the right, and that it would have been perfectly fine for them to k-ll off 10%+ percent of the Cree population, in response to Frog Lake.
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@TheRedStateBlue Objectively ... The Palestinian territories are considered occupied by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Under international law, those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. The occupier, however, does not have a right to use collective punishment. That is against the law. The occupier also doesn't have the right to colonize occupied territory. That is also against the law. Therefore, Israel is a rogue nation, violating multiple international laws.
Setting the law aside, objectively, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's never ending colonization of the West Bank ... and Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. To make out like Israel was the one "defending" itself, and that Hamas "started" something, is utter bullshit. That's the colonialist propaganda line, that poor "innocent" them have been aggressively attacked by "Savages!", ignoring that colonialists are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the natives.
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Oh, wow, he predicted Pelosi would be Pelosi? Such insight. Who said Pelosi wouldn't be Pelosi?
How is taking out a few more corporate Dems and adding a few more M4A yes votes to congress, in the election cycle that just passed, not fighting for M4A? It's exactly what needs doing to ever pass the bill, exactly what would still need doing even if there was a failed vote. If that doesn't count as fighting, then Dore's own "plan" was to have a failed vote and then not fight.
Oh, wow, he predicted Biden would be Biden? Such insight. Who said Biden wouldn't be Biden?
So, he has pointed out the obvious, and slandered those actually advancing M4A, even if it's not happening as fast as you fantasize it happening. Such talent.
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@shadowthehedgehog3113 You're clearly not very bright. It is, objectively, not blackmail. At best, you could try and argue it was a threat but, even then, she didn't really include the option for her not to do it, if he stops doing what he's doing.
"Drop your gun, or I'm going to shoot!" isn't f*cking blackmail, Dore knob.
Also, you dimwits seem to think "gaslighting" simply means to mislead or lie. It's actually a specific kind of deception, that tries to make someone feel, or appear, insane. Dore making out like Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan, and that what Sam Seder was saying was delusional, falsely trying to make him seem crazy to the audience, is an example of gaslighting.
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Ummm, most modern countries have mixed economies. A mix of capitalism and socialism is working almost everywhere. We went through periods of little socialism, where only the rich were educated and got the best health care, while the poor were mostly uneducated, except for a very few that charity schools could handle, and they only had access to charity hospitals where you were more likely to die, or get sicker.
The Western frontiers were basically ancap environments, before the law and government moved in. Private landowners hired private armies and settled disputes privately. It quickly devolved into feudalism. Cattle barons were a problem right into the 20th century, until the law and government moved in and stopped them. Feudalism may have worked for some time, but it ultimately failed. People got sick of private land owners, with monopolies, running their lives.
Marx pointed at tribal socialism as the roots of socialism. Tribes didn't haggle over trading part of a deer for the use of a fire. That's just nonsense. People just had different roles, and they shared pretty much everything. That worked for tens of thousands of years, before people started settling and claiming property. Socialism/anarchism was also working in Spain. Their system didn't fail, it was conquered by fascists. People point at Venezuela, but they nationalized a single resource. That's not outright socialism. That's a mixed economy, like almost every other. Their problem was being too dependent on a single resource and then the price of oil dropping. Even Saudi had losses. They just had more savings and had already started diversifying their economy.
Also, very authoritarian versions of anything are bad. Sure, authoritarian chrony communism sucks. So does authoritarian chrony capitalism (fascism). Authoritarian capitalism has failed its citizens. Anarcho-capitalism has failed, by devolving into feudalism. Randian Libertarian capitalism has failed, because the rich just aren't charitable enough. Authoritarian communism has failed its citizens. Mixed economies, democratic socialism, anarcho-socialism, are still up for debate, and the only positions that aren't proven failures.
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@borealssb1384 What are you talking about? There's not a 50/50 chance a gene from each parent will be carried over. There's a 100% chance a gene from each parent will be carried over. The point is that one of those genes will be dominant. There's not a 50/50 chance one gene will be dominant over the other. There's a 100% chance the darker gene (hair, eyes, skin) will be dominant, which is what the poster is obviously referring to. Not a literal "battle" maybe, buy one gene's trait is overpowering the other gene's trait. Even two evenly mixed skin tone, hair colour, or eye colour, parents, each with a dominant gene and a recessive gene, won't give a child a 50% chance at having lighter skin, hair, or eyes. It'd be a 25% chance of getting a recessive gene from both parents, a 50% chance of getting 1 dominant gene from either parent, and a 25% chance at getting 2 dominant genes from both ... 75% chance of a darker skin tone, hair colour, or eye colour. You'd need one parent with 2 recessive genes, and a parent who has a dominant gene as well as a recessive gene, to get you a 50% chance of getting 2 recessive genes.
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@dorothypage77 You and Yang are lying, saying a VAT is a way to tax corporations. You seem to be clueless as to how a VAT actually works. Let's say Amazon currently buys a product from a manufacturer at $100, sells it for $200, and pockets $100. With a 10% VAT added, they'd pay $100 + $10 VAT, and the manufacturer would send $10 to the government. Amazon would still sell for $200 but with a $20 VAT added, so the final consumer pays $220. Amazon gets paid back $10, and sends $10 to the government. The government gets $20, but Amazon still pockets $100. So, explain how that's actually taxing them.
Half the things you pointed at people spending UBI on (in a totally different UBI plan than Yang's) wouldn't pay into a VAT. That's actually not a good thing, for Yang's scheme. His scheme is totally dependent on increasing VAT revenues. His plan starts with massive deficit spending, no way to pay for a third of his UBI, and requires a ton more VAT revenue to be generated, than is currently generated. Food, housing, savings, debt ... will totally screw his plan. Also, what they bought doesn't say who they bought it from. Amazon is selling some groceries and household products. Amazon sells school books. Buying at WalMart would be no better. It would make giant corporations richer, and a VAT not a way to actually tax them.
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@dorothypage77 You're still lying. Just to be clear, I'm Canadian. I've been paying a VAT for almost 30 years, and have operated a business with a VAT. Don't even bother trying to explain to me how it works. We also have staples exempt, here, but there's still a VAT on electricity, clothes, toys, phone service, internet service, cable service, all other forms of entertainment, snack foods and pop, alcohol, etc., etc., etc. If you don't think any of those things costing more will leave some people worse off, then you're pretty daft.
To cover the full cost of the UBI, he is totally relying on the economy growing by trillions and generating hundreds of more billions from future VAT. At the outset, a third of his UBI won't be paid for, and will run a deficit.
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@jamesmcelroy5830 Like the fact that not voting, or casting a useless vote, only benefits Republicans? Like the fact that Dumpty did fill multiple scotus seats, and the moon didn't fall into Lake Michigan? Like the fact that there were dozens of inspections showing Syria used chemical weapons, and that 2 dissenting opinions on a single inspection doesn't even refute that inspection, let alone all those dozens of others (that didn't have dissenting opinions)? Like the fact that the entire progressive caucus doesn't have the majority needed to pick a different party speaker candidate, meaning the majority of house Democrats could have kept picking Pelosi over and over and over again? Like the fact that Dore actually promoted that 15 progressives abstain, rather than cast protest votes, which would have handed the house speakership to McCarthy? Like the fact that Dore promoted abandoning Nina Turner ... abandoning adding another M4A yes vote to congress, when getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill? Like the fact that he spewed a ton of garbage about COVID, vaccines, and "alternatives"? Like the fact that Rumble is funded by Peter Thiel (mega MAGA donor, who made his billions helping the government spy on its citizens), and they paid Tulsi, Greenwald, and Dore, to join their platform? Etc.
Grifters claim they're selling you something beneficial, but are actually selling you something useless, or even harmful. The paths Dore proposes taking don't lead to where he claims they do. They lead to Republicans ruling for decades to come.
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@gnubbiersh647 He used to go around spewing results from a survey of the "Muslim World" (Muslim majority countries) in a vacuum, with nothing to compare it to, from the rest of the religious "worlds". He seems to be completely clueless as to what's going on in those "worlds". India represents almost the entirety of the "Hindu World", and ranks lower than Saudi, for the treatment of women. Sam will dismiss Christian extremism as limited to some attack on an abortion clinic, years ago. Meanwhile, in the "Christian World", churches ran propaganda campaigns against condom use, in Africa ... even outright lying, that condoms cause HIV ... as 30m people perished. He thought it was horrible, that a significant minority of the "Muslim World" thought terrorism was sometimes okay. Meanwhile, IL still celebrates the Irgun and Lehi as "heroes", indicating an outright majority of the "Jewish World" thinks terrorism is sometimes okay. 80% of Americans thought blowing up hundreds of thousands of Iraqis would be cool. 60% of Americans (including him) thought torture was sometimes okay. Etc. Etc. Etc. Just "Muslims bad" fear mongering into a vacuum.
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ArchAingeal Rofl. You're bad at editing, then, dumbass, because there's no longer a reply of yours here that starts "god what a nonsense reply", no longer a reply between my two definitions, no longer a reply to jump to from the partial notification. That's all that is left, a partial notification.
Oxford: The presence of, or support for the presence of, several distinct cultural or ethnic groups within a society.
https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/multiculturalism
Stanford: "Yet multicultural claims include a wide range of claims involving religion, language, ethnicity, nationality, and race. Culture is a contested, open-ended concept, and all of these categories have been subsumed by or equated with the concept of culture."
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/multiculturalism/
Canadian Multiculturalism Act: recognize and promote the understanding that multiculturalism reflects the cultural and racial diversity of Canadian society and acknowledges the freedom of all members of Canadian society to preserve, enhance and share their cultural heritage;
BC Multiculturalism Act: to recognize that the diversity of British Columbians as regards race, cultural heritage, religion, ethnicity, ancestry and place of origin is a fundamental characteristic of the society of British Columbia that enriches the lives of all British Columbians;
http://www.immigrantwelcome.ca/resources/42-canadian-multiculturalism-act.
I think you're just not recognizing that a "culture" is attached to some group of people, and those people could be grouped a variety of different ways, including by ethnicity. Can't all the words, you're moronicaly nitpicking about, also be used in a cultural sense? Scottish culture? English culture? Pakistani culture? Native American culture?
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@X2LR8 No thanks. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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NoFreedoms Rofl. The UK had a shit covid response. Boris barely took it seriously, until he got it, and then still half assed it. Sweden is worse than Germany, Norway, Denmark, Finland, Austria, Switzerland, Luxembourg, Russia, ...
Why do dimwits aim to be like another top 40 worst countries in the world, instead of aiming to be amongst the best?
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NoFreedoms Sure, it's only 5x more deadly than automobile accidents. We should also do away with street lights, speed limits, seatbelt laws, child seat laws, helmet laws, drinking and driving laws, vehicle safety standards, licensing, etc., so people can truly enjoy their freedumb.
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Socialism for corporations and the rich comes in many more forms.
If Apple ships a million phones from China, using trade lanes protected by the navy, and I buy one of those phones, they have benefited from that protection a million times more than me.
If Amazon sends out a transport truck full of goods, it is using the roads 3x as much, on average, than a car owner. Not only do they use the road more ... let's say that truck has moved 10000 items, and I buy one, they have benefited 10000x more than me from the road. And they pay no taxes.
If my education makes me $100k a year, but it makes my employer $1m a year, then they have benefited 10x more than me from that education.
If first responders are protecting a community of 10000 workers, they benefit 10000x more than each individual worker does.
Etc.
Etc.
Etc.
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@AntiFreezePeach So, a dictionary definition didn't help, either? Geez, not sure what to do here.
This is a very common thing, we humans do ... "He has the strength of Hercules!", "She's a Brainiac!", "He's quite the Romeo.", etc. Odd that you've never encountered it, before. But, considering how stupid you are, maybe you just didn't catch on.
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@whyamimrpink78 They still protested extra taxes that specifically funded the police/military.
He was a loser, who failed at almost everything he tried on his own, except being a reality show host. Inheriting daddy's business is the only reason anyone knows him.
I care about policies, dumb dumb. Replace them all with people pushing policies I like, for all I care. Try saying the same about the cult leader who convinced tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any other politicians, any judges, any lawyers, any law enforcement, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses, any election officials ... anybody ... if they contradicted Supreme Leader Trumpty Dumpty. That makes you both stupid and ironic. Completely disconnected from reality.
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@Nitro1000 Rofl. You're making up nonsense.
You made it sound like "suppliers" aren't themselves companies that can deduct their input VAT from their output VAT. They are, and also end up paying no VAT. Only the final consumer can't reclaim their VAT.
Most companies aren't illegally dodging taxes, by hiding huge numbers of sales. They're using a ridiculous number of write offs to legally cancel out their tax burden. A VAT won't change that.
Nowhere did Yang claim that, although a VAT doesn't tax businesses directly, it'll force them into honest accounting, and indirectly force them to pay corporate taxes, or some such nonsense. He outright, incorrectly, claimed a VAT would tax giant corporations, directly. He singled out Amazon. Meanwhile, Amazon UK has their own tutorial page on how a VAT doesn't tax businesses. He also posted a link to a pass through rate study, that he didn't grasp, or lied about, claiming it showed businesses were paying a large portion of the VAT. It actually showed a near 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services. It was only by adding lesser rated and zero rated goods and services that the pass through rate dropped. It wasn't that businesses were paying a large portion of the VAT, it was that a large number of sales had less or no tax added (most sales are necessities, that are zero rated). Consumers were still paying the entire VAT.
Yang argued himself that corporations should be paying for, or into, the UBI. He repeatedly compared his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by corporations. But, his VAT/UBI combo plan wouldn't actually do that. If you don't have giant corporations paying into the UBI, then they only get the benefits of it being spent. That would make the likes of Amazon extra tens of billions a year, which would make Bezos extra billions a year. As a consumer, he could buy a brand new $500m yacht, every single year, pay $50m in VAT, and still be extra billions ahead. The vast majority of the money would trickle up to the very top and stay there. That's the entire problem with "trickle down", right now.
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@mp22893 Do that in the primaries. The 30 year old progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The 6 year old Justice Dems have 11 seats. The most popular third party, Libertarian, hasn't won a single seat in its 50 year existence. Green hasn't won a single seat in its 20 year existence. Him, criticizing small steps, and making out like third party will be the faster route to your destination, is completely dishonest. Even if the entire progressive caucus was third party, that would hand the house, senate, and presidency, to Republicans. His path leads to Republican rule, for the foreseeable future.
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Mike C Not seeing the major distinction between colonial US or early US, and the Roman Republic. You seem to be pretending there weren't any average Roman farmers, farming their land, selling their produce at market ... or paid artisans, entertainers, carpenters, masons, etc. ... and that absolutely everything was slave based. The RR had a limited democratic republic, had a mixed slave/non-slave economy, had strikes, ...
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@pocket83squared This was Sam's starting given, accepted as widely agreed upon, when he first talked about his Moral Landscape ...
"Now, it's generally understood that questions of morality -- questions of good and evil and right and wrong -- are questions about which science officially has no opinion. It's thought that science can help us get what we value, but it can never tell us what we ought to value."
Right. So, if I subjectively value going to the moon, there are then objectively better and worse ways for me to achieve that goal, and science can help. Likewise, if someone were to subjectively value earthly well being, there would then be objectively better and worse ways to achieve that goal, and science could help. That was Sam's agreed upon starting point. Did he ever get beyond that point? No. Can science itself tell us we ought to value going to the moon, or value Sam's definition of "well being"? No.
Sam got no further than the starting point, and therefore gave us nothing. Most of the time he's just talking sociology. Sociology already exists, with all kinds of measures of the human condition.
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@pocket83squared Rofl! You opened with much strawmanning. I do believe in pure objectivity, and do believe there can be a reasonable basis for values ("reasonable" isn't the same as objective). I'm pretty sure empiricism can handle providing objective evidence of a floor. What's the empirical, objective, evidence that I ought to value X? There is none. Valuing X entirely relies on caring (subjectivity) about X.
So, everyone who eats meat, including Sam, is objectively immoral? Everyone who justifies war, including Sam, is objectively immoral? Everyone who justifies torture, including Sam, is objectively immoral?
Then you go ranting about religious gobbledygook. Even a god's morality would be based on subjectivity, it's own subjective likes and dislikes. Absolutely nobody, including them, has a case for objective morality.
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@pocket83squared Oh man, you opened with much strawmanning. I do believe in pure objectivity, and do believe there can be a reasonable basis for values ("reasonable" isn't the same as objective). I'm pretty sure empiricism can handle providing objective evidence of a floor. What's the empirical, objective, evidence that I ought to value X? There is none. Valuing X entirely relies on caring (subjectivity) about X.
So, everyone who eats meat, including Sam, is objectively immoral? Everyone who justifies war, including Sam, is objectively immoral? Everyone who justifies torture, including Sam, is objectively immoral?
Then you go on about religious gobbledygook. Even a god's morality would be based on subjectivity, it's own subjective likes and dislikes. Absolutely nobody has ever made a valid case for objective morality.
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@@nf_100 Both moronic lies.
How do you think "Israelites" became "Jews"? The kingdom of Israel was destroyed, by the Assyrians, 120 years before the Babylonians conquered the little kingdom of Judah. Israelite refugees, that fled to Judah, gave up even calling themselves "Israelites", and they all became Judahites ("Jew" being the Europeanized form). When they created their religion in Babylon, it became known as "Judaism", not "Israelism". Even the people of that kingdom of Israel stopped using it as their main identifier. No part of the region was called "Israel" ever again. Even when the Jews got semi-autonomy, under the Greeks, they called it "Judea", again not using "Israel" as an identifier. No "Israel", for thousands of years.
Right beside the kingdom of Judah, was Philistia, which also lasted about 120 years longer than Israel, and all, or part, of the region has been called Peleset, Philistia, Philistine, Palestine, or Filastin, by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks, Western Romans, Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims, Christian crusaders, the Ottomans, the British, and even the first Zionist congress, who wrote that they wanted to create a Jewish home "in Palestine".
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As said, the problem is a lot bigger than just him. Likud's platform, has promised to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories, as well as parts of Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon, since the 70s. Likud was founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists, followers of Ze'ev Jabotinsky, whose goal was always to colonize it all. Israelis still celebrate them as "heroes". In its previous form, Herut, Einstein and other notbale Jews, likened the party to fascists and Nazis. Many Israelis , who dislike Netanyahu, think he's too soft. Israel has a Third Reich level societal problem.
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@d34dmantwoguns It's dishonest to say it won't hurt anyone, at all. A disabled person with a child, as an example, would be getting over $1000 per month already. Opting in or out won't change the fact that a 10% tax on electricity, phone service, internet, cable, clothes, toys, non staple snack foods and pop, any other forms of entertainment, etc., will make them worse off and unable to buy, or do, as much as before.
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@d34dmantwoguns I'm talking about the poorest of the poor, who aren't on partial assistance, don't have low paying jobs. I'm talking about the ones on full assistance, for example a disabled parent with one child, who are already getting $1000+ in government assistance. Yang's plan isn't a supplement, for them. His plan doesn't stack with SSI. It either replaces, or they opt out. Either way, with numerous goods and services costing 10% more, they will be worse off. Even exempting some staples will still leave having to pay more for electricity, phone service, internet, cable, other forms of entertainment, clothes, toys, etc., with the same amount of money.
Yang isn't anti-capitalist. For those who will benefit from the UBI, he's handing them more money to go shopping. His main tax proposal, the VAT, doesn't actually tax corporations. It taxes the consumers. Corporations, like Amazon, who he mentions the most, still won't be paying taxes, and will make more money off of all the people with extra money. That, in turn, will give Bezos more money to hoard and hoarded money isn't affected by a VAT.
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@neutrino78x I do not believe, for a second, that you have a high IQ, because all the evidence you're providing points towards you being a complete and utter moron. People were spread all over the world, well before a civilization developed in Mesopotamia. Pretty much every human civilization did not descend from it. Many pre civilization migrations not only didn't require pausing in Mesopotamia, they didn't even require stepping foot in Mesopotamia.
Migration to Southern Asia, via the Southern route out of Africa, not only didn't require stopping in the Mediterranean, to count as "descending" from it, it didn't even require passing through it. There goes half of the global population, and the civilizations they created.
Egypt clearly doesn't require leaving Africa. Neither does North Africa.
People leaving Africa do not have to travel to Mesopotamia, to go back to Canaan. It's the first habitable place, leaving Africa along the coast. You just leave and stop.
You do not need to wander over to Mesopotamia, to get to Turkey, where the Hittite civilization emerged. Just stick to the Mediterranean coast. Likewise, with getting to Europe, from Africa.
Do you also believe we all talked the same language, almost built a tower to Heaven (which would place Heaven a few hundred feet above Iraq), and were then magically teleported around the world with different languages, less than 6000 years ago?
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@mychannel5019 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@elconquistador5469 The UN Office of Genocide Prevention considers ethnic cleansing in their wheelhouse. Because, if they don't move, they die.
Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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Nah, it's more a problem with folks like Pakman, and people scared to call certain things "socialism". "Social democracy" is a decent mix of both capitalism and socialism. If you want to socialize a sector of society, say have health insurance publicly owned and operated, or education publicly owned and operated, then those sectors of society are socialistic. If you did that with all sectors, you'd have 100% socialism. If you privatized everything, have all sectors privately owned and operated, then you'd have 100% capitalism. Nobody disagrees that privatizing something isn't capitalistic. A true centrism (not US centrism which is actually right of centre) would be about 50/50 capitalism/socialism. Denmark pays like 60% taxes, has 70+% unionization, and has 30% of its workforce in the public sector. It's a pretty even mix, and ranked one of the best places in the world to live.
So, "social democracy" is more properly democratic centrism, which is both "capitalism" and "socialism". David, and others, are just being dodgy, implying it's not at all "socialism". Basically every country in the world, except for the few remaining absolute monarchies, is now running on some percentage of both capitalism and socialism. Bernie is committed to democracy, and is currently only pushing for that kind of centrism. If his actual ideal is well left of that centre, then he's a democratic socialist. If not, then maybe he should call himself a democratic centrist. Either way, he is committed to the democratic part, and will only go as far as democracy will allow.
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@franquil85conn It doesn't matter where in the US, for federal taxes. No clue why you're including them. If Amazon is in NYC or Juneau, it's all the same to their revenue, and they weren't officially involved. That would be the branch of government AOC was elected to, and she was also not officially involved. She had absolutely no vote on the matter. Cuomo blamed state senators, who were officially involved. AOC isn't one. Amazon blamed state and local officials, who were officially involved. AOC is neither of those. The mayor blamed Amazon.
You clearly only mentioned annual income tax, which wouldn't pay back the city, at all, which was offering half of the $3b. Cities shouldn't be paying for stadiums, either. Let the billionaire owners pay for them. There was a proposed housing project, for that property. So, the city was throwing away property taxes, by a) offering for an already lower rate commercial use, and b) offering to cut that already lower rate in half. NYC already grows by around 25000 people a year, the vast majority of which find jobs, without throwing away over $1b to a billionaire. That amount of jobs is a blip, in a city of 8+ million people.
Plus, beyond throwing money away ... one of the issues was that Amazon wouldn't commit to hiring locally. Bringing in thousands more people, while tossing out housing projects (including 1500 affordable housing units), would drive up demand on what's currently available, increasing rents, and not employing the locals. Pure downside for the locals.
Stop talking about things that are irrelevant (federal government, federal representative, income taxes) to paying back the city, if you don't want to hear how they're irrelevant to paying back the city, and take a civics lesson or something.
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@Mniagmdmah And Europe knows that a VAT doesn't tax corporations. Yang doesn't even know how his key tax actually works.
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en
The top European countries have higher marginal tax rates, high unionization, higher wages, free college, universal healthcare, mandatory paid parental leave, more paid vacations, successful retraining programs, double the percentage of the population working public jobs ... and then they tax their better paid, higher standard of living, consumers with a VAT. All that is more of a Bernie platform.
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@agitch Not necessarily, when it comes to people currently getting some kind of unstackable assistance. Currently, SSI disability and SNAP stack. Yang doesn't have his UBI stack with either.
SSI disability is going up to $783 this year + $194 in SNAP = $977. They'd get a big benefit of $23 a month. People spend about 30% of their incomes on VATable goods and services, which would put them in the negative $7 a month.
Meanwhile, someone making $300k a year would pay in $9k a year, and be in the plus $3k a year, $2700 in the plus even if they spent all of that $3k on VATable goods and services.
At the very top are billionaires like Bezos, who will benefit a ton from the UBI being spent. A VAT doesn't actually tax businesses. Amazon's share of US consumer spending is 2.3%. If even 2% of $3t is spent on Amazon, they'd make an extra $60b a year. That would make Bezos, 12% owner, an extra $6+b a year. He could buy a brand new $1b yacht every single year, paying $100m in VAT, and still be up $5.9+b a year.
Poor people buy cheaper stuff, do cheaper things, but still eat out, pay for entertainment, pay for utilities, and other VATable spending.
https://images.app.goo.gl/QttkHU7sMJaCePvJ8
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@Edd1148. His UBI doesn't stack with SSI disability, nor SNAP, which both currently do stack. There are a million disabled kids on both. Plus 4 million adults collecting both SNAP and either SSI or SSDI, with Yang only stacking the SSDI.
The goal should also be to have corporations paying for it, as he falsely claims a VAT will do. If you're going to compare your dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is paid for by corporations, then actually have corporations paying into yours. If they don't pay in, then you'll increase inequality when they, and their shareholders, benefit from $3t in extra consumer spending.
I'm kinda sick of all the different taxes and ways they dodge them. I think if they want to do business in a country, benefit from that country's infrastructure, benefit from that country's military protecting shipping lanes and corporate interests abroad, etc., then that country should simply get shares of the business being done in that country.
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@smartass0124 Yep, he was found out to be a Trump supporter.
Cardinal fan 'Rally Runner' wrapped up in Jan. 6 conspiracy:
The Rally Runner, whose real name we don't know, posted in December of 2020 that he was using his stimulus check to travel to Washington D.C. to support Trump and his claims that the election was stolen from him.
"It was flat out stolen and we know it," he posted in a video. "We don't have to be able to prove it."
Hard to mistake in the crowd, the Rally Runner said he was able to force his way to the front of the crowd when Trump supporters attacked the Capitol.
"I'm right of the front of it and got through those doors into the Capitol," he said in a Facebook video posted on Jan. 6. "And that's when reinforcement came, shooting rubber bullets, tear gas, and mace. My face felt like it was on fire.”
Now, nearly a year later, the cable news conspiracy is that the Rally Runner was really a sophisticated secret agent sent to set up Trump supporters by provoking violence.
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That makes little sense. After losing to Eisenhower, Democrats moved a little further right. After losing to Nixon, Democrats moved a little further right. After losing to Reagan, Democrats moved a little further right. After losing to Bush, Democrats moved a little further right. After losing to Trump, Democrats pushed Biden over Bernie. Bernie actually did better in 2016, after a previous Democrat.
And, Israel was ethnically cleansing Palestine that whole time. You need to pressure members or get more progressive members in congress, because with the amount of support Israel has in congress, they can pass whatever bills supporting Israel they want, and have the numbers to override any presidential veto. The president is of little relevance, in the big picture.
And, you'll end up with someone who will support Israel even harder, will let Russia do to Ukraine what Israel is doing to Palestine, who has said he wants a pledge of allegiance to Israel to get in the country, who has said he wants to reinstate and expand his Muslim ban (and Republicans have even been talking trying to deport Palestine supporters that weren't born in the US, like Ilhan), who could f up the courts even worse, who has said he wants to go after leftists, etc., etc., etc.
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@Gonken88 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@laqueefa8509 Dore is an idiot. The original "plan" he "organized" was to hand the speakership to McCarthy, because Dore's original wording, and numerous times after, never stated that the 15 progressives he picked need to cast protest votes. He kept repeating simply "withhold" or "don't vote for", which implies abstaining. It took others to fix the major hole in his "plan", because he's an idiot who doesn't know how the government works.
Dore also "organized" helping Trump win in 2016, by arguing that Trump was a better option than Clinton, not caring if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown of Medicaid expansion, and not caring to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion.
He also "organized" supporting Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" over Bernie and M4A.
He also "organized" an attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent in 2020, doing what he could to help him win again.
He also "organized" support for the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. A route that would, at best peel away enough progressive votes from Dems to hand the party totally back to corporate Dems and let Republicans rule for decades. Dimwit Dore knobs don't grasp that "vote blue" works both ways, and that Dem voters who vote against progressives in the primaries vote for them in the general. If you simply split off progressives, elections would look like a two candidate Dem primary vs a single candidate Republican general, and Republicans would win in most places.
Dore is a grifter, who doesn't actually care about getting anyone healthcare anytime soon.
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@sergeikhripun No it doesn't. The Iron Dome is defensive, and Israel reacts disproportionately. If Palestinian rockets killed dozens of Israelis, instead of just a few, how much worse do you think Israel woukd react?
She only has domestic issues, on her website. What do you claim she used to have on her website, about Palestine? Hard to believe you Dore knobs. Dore knobs have claimed she erased M4A from her website, when it's actually at the top of her issues list.
Does not having something on her website change the fact that she has called out Israel multiple time, called it an apartheid state, co-signed a bill to put conditions on military aid to Israel, voted against the state department appropriation bill which gives military aid to Israel, co-signed a bill to get rid of anti-BDS laws, etc.?
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@brentnoury7626 I hear what you're saying, but, if they're workers voting Republican, truth isn't the "strength" they're looking for, and, if they're right wing Christians, they're probably on the side of Israel. Not sure progressives can vote on an Israel bill in a way that'll woo any right wingers over, without outright voting for it.
This wouldn't even have been a seperate bill, where you could see how everyone voted on this specific issue, if progressives hadn't pressured Pelosi to remove it from the government spending bill and vote on it separately. The bigger news should actually be just how overwhelming the yes vote was, and that none of the actual yes voters seem to have to answer for their votes. There's zero questioning, by supposed "leftists", like Dore, zero calling out, zero attacking, of all those who outright supported Israel, but they'll mention every chance they get how AOC didn't vote for it.
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@High8Studio Well, it's somewhat like religion. A whole lot of people have subjective beliefs that aren't based on any kind of reality, and some people take a more objective approach.
For example, it's really just an objective fact that universal healthcare is doable (plenty of countries do it), is cheaper (as is the case in those countries and supported by numerous studies), doesn't lead to Venezuela or all out communism (most countries with universal healthcare aren't bankrupt or communist countries), and amongst developed countries gets better overall results (the US has the highest infant mortality rate, highest maternal mortality rate, and lowest life expectancy, in the developed world).
So, yeah, anyone spouting any of that bullshit against it, is kind of mental.
Likewise, it's just a fact there's scientific consensus on global warming, it's just a fact that the rich don't put their tax cuts back into the economy, etc, etc, etc.
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@theciakilledjfk5973 Can you Dore knobs stop pretending like getting a guaranteed to fail show vote is the same thing as actually getting M4A? During a pandemic is a bad time to paralyze the house ... no new covid relief, no new unemployment extension, no new vaccine funding, etc. ... for a pointless show vote.
The $15 did get a vote, and did pass the house ... you know, the branch of congress AOC and Pelosi belong to. Suddenly, Dore knobs don't value getting a vote on a bill, and don't value getting a list of no voters. They're a bunch of pathetic do nothings, that just keep bitching about those who voted for it, rather than take any action against those who voted against it.
She just fought in the public sphere, using her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helping to remove a few more corporate Dems, and helping to add a few more M4A yes votes to congress. It's the very thing that needs doing to ever pass the bill. It's the very thing you'd still need to do even after a pointless show vote. She has done more for M4A in 2 years than Dore has in his entire lifetime.
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Evidence is knowledge, and, yes, "skeptic" is the next closest label. And, prior to the 20th century, and the reason Huxley used this label for himself, was because the most common definition of Athe-ism was one who believed Gods do not exist. I define Agnosticism the way Huxley did, and you can find Atheists still redefining the word to mean A-theist, redefining the word Agnostic, and hijacking Huxley's position, in the 1970s.
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@GD-rd6ig What a load of bullshit, "turned over Gaza". It's an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Israel controls the borders, airspace, ports, electricity, water, almost everything that goes in and out, plus Bibi even controls the flow of money from Qatar. Pulling out an illegal colony, doesn't mean it's still not occupied, dumb dumb ... which all Palestine territories are still considered to be, by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC.
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@GD-rd6ig Man, you are so dishonest. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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You think he's scared of a word, when he goes up against Theistic bull science, all the time. That's kinda lame, IMO.
Huxley, the INVENTOR of the word, put them there. We've been through this. He was a big fan of Hume and Kant. And, Atheism meant Athe-ism, at the time. He didn't call himself Athe-ist, and then say "BTW, Athe-ist now means A-theists", like Smith, no. Why anyone would attach a label to themselves, that didn't apply, and then try to redefine it, I have no clue.
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Frank Boguszewski Nope. Christians tended to offer conversion, death, or exile, for centuries. Muslims didn't tend to force convert for centuries. That's why most of Hispania was still Christian, when it was reconquered. The new Christian rulers then offered Muslims and Jews the conversion, death, or exile options. The vast majority of the Jews went to the Ottoman Empire, with the Muslims, where they could keep practicing their religion. The Ottoman Empire decriminalized homosexuality when many Christian majority countries still considered it a crime or mental disorder. European women traveling throughout the Empire also reported that they thought Muslim women were freer, could own property, could initiate divorce, ...
You're thinking of ultra-conservative Wahhabism, which is newer, and which the US has supported financially and militarily, for decades, as it has spread. Turkey is the last remnants of the Ottoman Empire, not Saudi.
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@James-gq4tb Nope. He very clearly crapped on people who were giving context, as to what Israel was doing, prior to Oct 7, to provoke an attack, not just those vocalizing support for Hamas. Then he proceeded to go on a bit of an anti-Muslim rant, while dishonestly claiming that a colonizing ethnic cleansing nation is "progressive", ignoring that those things aren't progressive, and ignoring that Netanyahu himself propped up, and funded, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, and avoid possible peace. A Netanyahu Israel is a supporter of Hamas, on top of everything else it does.
Then, after rejecting any explanation as to what Israel was up to, prior to the Hamas attack, he hypocritically immediately pivoted into explaining what Israel would do, in "response", and why it would be expected. He didn't want to hear about what Israel had done to make an attack by Palestinians expected, but then turned around and made like it was perfectly reasonable and expected for Israel to hit back ... but not letting anyone say they hit first.
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@James-gq4tb Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923 ...
"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.
My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.
The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage."
It is apparently very expected, and always has been expected, that the natives would "respond" badly to colonialism, and yet Israel continues to do it. Colonialists are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
If you don't want to hear about anything the colonialists did, prior to the Powhatan Confederacy's massacre of Jamestown civilians, and act like that is the first thing that happened, and then argue as if it's reasonable and expected that the colonialists would "respond ", then you're not getting an objective picture, at all. Native Americans got to the point where they wanted nothing more than to push the white man back into the sea, and it wasn't simply that he was white.
Jews lived in Muslim nations for 1300 years. Muslims took them in, gave them refuge, when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. The Ottomans even okayed very early Zionism, which was closer to simply immigration. Everything changed when Zionism turned colonialist, and they started talking about carving out a colonialist nation. Muslim nations didn't just magically turn anti-Semitic, for no reason one day.
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"Indirect" insurrection to overthrow the democratic process, and directly had the majority of Republicans in congress try to overthrow the democratic process, directly asked Pence to overthrow the democratic process, and directly tried a fake electors scheme to overthrow the democratic process. Dumpty dropped more bombs per year than Obama, and more bombs on Yemen than Obama and Bush combined. He kept feeding money to Israel as they continued their ethnic cleansing of Palestine, recognized their illegal annexation of Golan Heights, recognized Jerusalem as their capital, and made a "peace" deal that ignored Palestinians and tried to normalize Israel's ethnic cleansing with some of their neighbors. Dumpty also let Iran have their nuclear weapons program back. He okayed Iraq paying its energy bill to Iran, multiple times, just like Biden. He let his dictator buddy in North Korea build up his nuclear arsenal, and continue to test missiles that can reach at least Alaska. Shared nuclear secrets (presidents have zero authority to declassify nuclear secrets) with a billionaire donor.
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@spacedoohicky How does "cancelling" have anything to do with your "main point", that I supposedly ignored, if you never mentioned it?
Sam trashes individuals, without much "critique". He broad brushes and uses strawmans to publicly shame groups of people. He publicly announced a boycotting of Salon. He has advocated discrimination against Muslims in refugee choices, profiling, has said we're at war with Islam (practiced by every Muslim on the planet), and promoted others who say we're at war with Islam and that there's no such thing as moderate Islam. More than just de-platforming "witch hunts", he has helped stoke fears, leading to actual "witch hunts", with armed people harassing Muslims going to mosques, even people shooting up mosques, or people shooting up Sikh temples because they're morons, on top of being bigots, who can't tell the difference between Muslims and Sikhs.
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MidScream1 Why would anti-unionist, anti-socialist, anti-feminist, anti-democratic, ultra-nationalist, pro police expansion, pro military expansion, pro privatization, backed by big business, backed by religious leaders, bigoted, racist, fascists endorse Bernie, dumb dumb?
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Because nobody is challenging him on his bullshit. He promotes a VAT as a way to make corporations like Amazon "pay their fair share". A VAT is absolutely not a tax on corporations. It is a tax on consumers. The corporations would simply collect the tax and pass it along to government.
Add to that a UBI. Those who actually benefit from the UBI will spend some of that extra money on Amazon, making them even more money. That will, in turn, make Bezos more money. The more money he has, the more he'll hoard, and hoarded money isn't affected by a VAT.
As long as Yang sticks to throwing his hands in the air to fixing tax loopholes, and not presenting alternative ways to truly tax giant corporations and the super rich, they'll actually benefit from his plan.
Those who won't benefit, and will pay into the VAT the most, are the upper middle class and lower end rich who already spend a lot but don't hoard as much. The higher the percentage of their wealth someone hoards, the lower the percentage of their wealth they'll pay back into the economy and VAT.
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@tomiapple9848 The world didn't begin on Oct 7, dimwit. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Likud, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Bezalel Smotrich, who Netanyahu put in charge of the West Bank, made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jews in all of Israel/Palestine. Even worse, he has a map of "Israel" on his wall that includes parts of Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. He's a religious nut, who thinks all of "Israel" is their god given land, so probably wants the entire Tanakh/OT kingdom.
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Even the most popular third party, Libertarian, hasn't won a single seat in congress in going on 50 years. Bernie, the Justice Democrats, the squad, have accomplished more than them in 5 years. AOC, alone, has accomplished more in 2 years than the Green Party has in 20.
Your third party fantasies are a joke. At best, it'd be popular enough to split progressive voting, hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades. Weird how you promote ideas that would benefit Republicans most.
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@TransKidsMafia Fact is Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@gnubbiersh647 Why would what I prefer matter, if something were objective? You're asking what I'd subjectively like. Again, Sam covered that in his opening, stating that was already a given. If he had simply said ... well here is what I think is a good measure of "well being", and think we should set that as our goal ... that would be a totally different thing. Not what he did.
No, Sam is actually the one who routinely agrees with religious extremists, not me. A Sky Hitler is definitely not a good source for morality. I think morality is subjective. By definition, objectivity has no biases. It's straight facts, no feelings. It doesn't care about outcomes. By definition, morality has a bias in favor of some behaviors, and against others. I'm not even really sure how it became debatable. Even a god's morality would be based on its own subjective biases. It could hand down laws, and then you're objectively following the law, or not. But, the morality behind making the law would be subjective.
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@gnubbiersh647 Why would you say that? I think you've come to the wrong leftist channel, if you think this one is pro Sam Harris. Do you think pro gun, pro torture, Islamophobic, anti-blm, anti-antifa, white supremacist defender, feminist critic, leftist critic, Zionist ... Sam Harris is a leftist, or something?
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@andym9571 It is a fact that the British planned to carve out a colonialist nation for the Zionists. They then hummed and hawed over multiple plans, and had numerous bureaucratic commissions looking into all aspects of the society, geography, etc., etc., trying to figure out exactly how to do it. Years went by (it was 30 years from the Balfour declaration to Israel's declaration of independence).
It is then also a fact that the Zionists got impatient. After about 10 years in, they created terrorist groups, like the Irgun and Lehi, and started attacking the Brits. They also bombed Palestinian markets, killing many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). And, once WWII refugees started coming in, it somewhat overwhelmed the Brits, who weren't done doing their figuring out, and they tried to slow down refugees coming in, which intensified the Zionist resistance to them.
So, it's somewhat along the lines of the British starting the colonies in North America, and then the Americans rebelling. It just happened over a shorter period of time, and resistance from the settlers started before the British had even finished their planning stage. But, they were definitely there to do colonialism, and a new nation, carved out of native territory, did emerge.
As for those terrorists, the new nation of Israel merged them into their military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, terrorist, murderer, child killer, who bombed the King David Hotel, as PM. To this day, Israelis celebrate those terrorists as "heroes".
Rivlin hosts 90th anniversary of founding Irgun Zvai Leumi (Etzel)
By GREER FAY CASHMAN Published: MARCH 1, 2021
Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
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@bravesirkevin No warping. You straight up seem to be restricting my human rights. So I can't ever threaten to stop using a company's services, if I don't like the service they're providing, or the environment they're allowing for? That sounds like you're the one demanding I either stay in an abusive relationship, or just leave quietly, with no middle ground of coming to a compromise for the relationship. Either that other guy is doing something inappropriate, or he's not, right? If he is, she might agree with my argument and ditch him. If he is, but she won't ditch him, you would rather me endure the inappropriate behavior, and just whine about it, without taking an actual stance? If he isn't, she might think my argument is nuts and ditch me. Or, maybe she'd tell me to stop being paranoid, or she'll leave me. Or, would you likewise have her either endure a paranoid boyfriend, or leave quietly, with no option of compromise?
Banning the Dixie Chicks largely started at the top and went down. Right wing media corporations made a big deal about it, and the ones that also owned music stations stopped playing their music. It wasn't like they were coerced by the masses. That's back to private companies deciding for themselves. Can they, or can't they? Can they share their displeasure with the Dixie Chicks with the public?
Not being able to make demands from a service you're paying for, or a service that's making money off you, sounds nonsensical. If an apocalypse preacher is shouting at people in a restaurant, does everyone simply have to endure it? You can't tell staff to make the preacher stop, or you'll take your business elsewhere?
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@bravesirkevin Holy fuck, you're all over the place. Your original "analogy" didn't include any possible valid reason. I give an example, adding a possible valid reason. You didn't like me adding a possibly valid reason, and again made a zero valid reason "analogy". Then, I address that, and you say I'm going to extremes. Now, you say there could be many reasons. Right, and can any of those reasons be valid? Bad influence? If her friend is a junky or alcoholic, and is leading her down the same path, is having an intervention, and giving an ultimatum, "abuse"? If my kid falls in with the wrong croud, and they talk the kid into stealing something, is it "abuse" to say they can't hang around with that crowd anymore? That sounds like absolute nonsense. Your "analogy" only seems to work if the reasoning is based on absolutely nothing. But, again, when I point out that's not analogous to anything, you think I'm the one who's extreme.
Plenty of people think Israel is doing no wrong. So it's okay to boycott, if you think they're doing wrong, or not?
As someone else mentioned, you seem to be the one arguing against freedom of association, by not allowing people to say they don't want to associate with certain people.
Why would the preacher be "not allowed" to preach in a restaurant? Are you saying businesses can set rules for behavior on their private property, and fully have the right to kick people out who violate those rules? And it doesn't count as abuse? What if they don't have a rule, yet, for a certain behavior? Is it "abuse" to ask management for a new rule, that gets someone kicked out?
Who is doing anything analogous to going into a church and demanding a preacher stop preaching?
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@bravesirkevin I figured it out? So, you agree you could be violating the boyfriend's rights, by making a blanket "abuse" claim. And, there you go again. One second saying there could be valid reasons (if you agree with the reasons) and the next second making a blanket statement about "cancel culture".
I'm pretty sure you're way wrong about the "always". You've already agreed that cancelling people for incitement is valid, and things like racism, bigotry, sexism, that themselves try to diminish others rights, etc. Are you saying none of that kind of cancelling is happening, or are you saying it doesn't count as "cancel culture", like right wingers claim it does?
Plus, conservative types have been cancelling things they find offensive, for centuries. Sometimes opinions, but definitely not "always" opinions. For example, swearing and nudity aren't opinions. They're simply things they don't want to hear or see, on certain media, or at specific times of day. Burning, or trying to ban, Harry Potter books wasn't because religious nuts disagreed with the opinions in Harry Potter. It's because they think magic = evil. Does centuries of that kind of cancelling not count as "cancel culture"?
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@Halon's Razor Pipelines don't generally own all the land they're built on. So, yeah, you kind of need the property owner's permission, which is the public's property, if it's on government land.
Sure, just register your business as a private Christian cake club, or a religious organization. "Public accomodations" were designated so people couldn't go without food, shelter, water, etc. If you can't survive without FB, or Twitter, then you have an addiction problem. They are private clubs, albeit very large ones, with rules for membership.
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@bravesirkevin I actually gave the two options of either the boyfriend is justified, or he's not. Now you're just boldface lying. You were the one portraying it as only one possible option, that he wasn't. Then you agreed he could possibly have valid reasons. My counter examples made you contradict your bullshit blanket statements. It's called reducto absurdum, and is a method for showing fallacies, which your statements have been riddled with. Even now, you're making the ridiculous statement that the "abuser" could be justified, but still use "mistreat". That's like saying killing someone in self defense is justified but still call it "murder". It's nonsensical, contradictory, gibberish.
I gave an example of a white nationalist posting something, and you agreed it would be okay to cancel them. I take it you've also never heard of the intolerance paradox, where you can't tolerate intolerance, if you want a tolerant society. Yes, I'm totally "bigoted" against bigotry, racism, and sexism. Who is cancelling Republicans, just for being Republican, or Christians, just for being Christian?
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@Halon's Razor It's a long pipeline, going over various lands, ffs. Some is disputed native land, or very near native land and the natives don't think their well being or cultural landmarks were considered. Much was private property, taken through eminent domain. All of the land, the federal government has treated as their own. You don't like eminent domain. Okay, and do you like Trump reversing Obama's Keystone decision, just 2 years later? You can renegotiate in favor of the pipeline, in just 2 years, but not against in 4?
A cake shop is a kind of bakery, ffs. Laws don't tend to list all the possible sub categories. If you want to restrict your customers, have memberships. Even private clubs that open part of the club to the general public on some days, can get themselves considered "public accomodations". Don't do that.
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@Halon's Razor So, eminent domain land grabs were bad, okaying the deal was bad, but reverting back is also bad. So, if something is bad, or goes wrong, you don't allow for fixing it, because ... deal. Like, keep spending billions on faulty jets, because ... deal? Keep selling Saudi weapons, because ... deal? Don't renegotiate drug prices, because ... deal? Don't renegotiate international trade agreements, because ... deal?
The supreme court, after Republicans blocked one appointment for almost a year, and then put in 2 new conservative judges, for one. For another, they didn't outright rule that the shop had the right to discriminate. They ruled that the state commission hadn't been neutral enough.
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@Halon's Razor I only think there's, broadly, maybe 100 half decent Democrats in congress, atm. More narrowly, only a dozen, or so, decent ones. And, that's up, from previous years, and decades. So, you can shove the strawman bullshit.
Isn't it wrong to keep spending taxpayer dollars on garbage, keep giving weapons to a humanitarian crisis, keep infringing on native lands and keep battling eminent domain lawsuits (still happening), etc.?
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@Halon's Razor You know, odds are, if I already don't like what the corporate Dem lawmakers are doing, I'm not going to like what any Republican lawmakers are doing, right? It's not like they're going to be left of corporate Dems on much of anything.
I'll find as much common cause with Republicans as a Libertarian would find with the CCP. They want to move things in the completely opposite direction than I'd like to see happen, for the most part. Corporate Dems, don't move any direction, much, which is somewhat better than the wrong way. Progressives want to move things in a direction I'd like to see.
Or, with all the litigation going on (multiple federal suits, and dozens of eminent domain suits), you don't consider the deal cemented in stone, like you did.
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@bravesirkevin What are you even talking about? Fascists weren't censored, and rational thought didn't win out. Intolerance was tolerated and rational thought wasn't gloriously victorious. Trump just got done convincing tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any courts, any election officials, any doctors, any nurses, any scientists, any other politicians, anybody, even to not believe their own lying eyes, if any of those contradicted Supreme Leader. He pulled off the most Big Brother like propaganda campaign in US history. He even convinced 28% of Republicans (still millions of people) to embrace overt fascism, saying they didn't want him to concede under any circumstances. They were okay with openly ending the democratic process and keeping an unelected ruler in power. Do you think all horrible ideas that have taken over countries just magically popped into the minds of the masses one day, or something? I don't think you know much about history, at all.
Did women win the right to vote, simply by convincing everyone with rational argument? No. They had to protest, as well as make ultimatums, on top of rational debate. And then, after pushing the majority to their position, they forced it on the remaining irrational sexists. Did slavery end simply with rational argument? Did segregation end simply with rational argument?
Just how long do you think we "need" to debate racism, exactly? Do you not consider the subject settled? Numerous countries have hate speech laws (which are simply similar to defamation and threat laws extended to groups of people, rather than just an individual) and those countries top the US, which doesn't have hate speech laws, on multiple freedom indexes. You slipped all the way down the slope to severely intolerant regimes, regimes that actually rose up by freely spreading their intolerant ideas.
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@bravesirkevin Ironic, coming from someone who apparently didn't read, or didn't grasp, what I actually said about fascism. Hell, you didn't even seem read, or grasp, a quote you posted yourself, in its entirety. You seem to think fascists magically appeared in positions of power, one day, that their intolerant ideas just magically popped into the minds of the masses. Apparently, you would have been defending their "right" to promote the idea of having a single dictator make all the wrong decisions, promote the idea of ending democracy. You'd be someone claiming that them being able to spread their anti-democratic ideas, that would end people's most important form of speech, as a good thing, right up until they did attain positions of power. And then you'd be screwed. Debating exactly what form of democracy to have is different than debating whether zero democracy is bad, right? Aren't we done with that debate? Dictatorships are bad, aren't they?
Debating solutions to rape or murder, is different than debating whether we want them happening in society, or not. What is the benefit of a Richard Spencer promoting the idea that a racist society, a single race society, would be good? To me, that's like someone promoting the idea that allowing people to rape and murder whoever they want, would be good. That person is insane, and is promoting things that would harm, and clearly violate the human rights of others. It appears, to me, to be an attempt at incitement, because if enough people bought the ideas being promoted, terrible things would happen to others. You said you were against incitement, but it seems like you would defend incitement, as it's happening.
You also don't seem to grasp a little word, like "simply". Did I say there was zero rational argument behind any of those things? No. I asked if there was "simply" rational argument, which already implies there was some. You know, "simply", as in only, or just. And, I didn't even state exactly how complex I imagined anything to be.
Saudi isn't even 100 years old. 19th century European women, travelling in the previous Ottoman Empire, thought women in the Empire had more freedoms than them. That same Empire had decriminalized homosexuality, while countries in Europe, and states in the US, were still considering it illegal, or a mental health issue, and locking people up. The freedom loving Brits were the ones who instead handed land to a theocratic monarchy, and the freedom loving US is the country who has rewarded that theocratic monarchy's behaviour the most. Both of those freedom loving countries have also overthrown democratically elected non religious fanatics, in the ME, just because their economics leaned a bit to the left. And, they've outright backed religious fanatics, as well. American colonies still had Puritans, 100 years in, who didn't allow women to do much. And, are you now promoting Britain using ultimatums, in business dealings, to cancel other countries' ideas of how to do things, as a good thing? That wasn't abusive boyfriend behaviour?
You, basically, just argued that it's perfectly fine for the Dr Seuss folks to decide that racist images aren't really family friendly, or social media platforms to decide their TOS to appeal to whatever audience they want to attract. It's perfectly fine if a business guesses what its consumers want. Totally abuse if consumers tell a business what they want.
I don't watch CNN, or FOX. So, my solution is to watch neither, rather than both. Seriously? You think it's possible that local Republican election officials, state level Republican officials, conservative judges (some even appointed by Trump himself), federal Republican election security officials, and even some right wing media, joined up to cover up widespread election fraud? You think it's possible that politicians worldwide, media worldwide, doctors worldwide, nurses worldwide, scientists worldwide, are perpetrating a covid hoax? Do you also think it's possible that the Democrat party are a bunch of devil worshippers that eat babies, or whatever?
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@bravesirkevin Fascism: Extreme anti-socialism, it's the number one thing Mussolini stated fascism was opposed to. Anti union, they destroyed unions and outlawed striking. Ultra nationalism, everyone work together to make the nation great, with an idea of what makes for an ideal nationalist, and those further from the ideal being considered un-. Authoritarian, building up policing, surveillance, and the military. They were backed by leading industrialists, large land owners, religious leaders, and even monarchists and nobility ... the rich and powerful. Propagandists, that created cults with cult leaders. And, anti democratic. The US already had a problematic democracy, with gerrymandering, voter suppression, the bullshit electoral college, the senate being able to block bills from the far more representative house. Overtly overthrowing the democratic process is really only the last nail in the coffin that Republicans need to hammer in, to go all out fascist. Even a bunch of corporate Dems only need to hammer in a few more nails, and are borderline.
You know fascists were, and are, fascists before attaining complete control, right? Trump, and many Republican lawmakers proved themselves to be overt fascists, ready to hammer in that last nail. Over 70% of Republicans were going along with all that bullshit. And 28% of Republicans surveyed didn't want Trump to concede, under any circumstances. The Jan 6 storming of the capitol was closer to being a coup than Hitler's Beer Hall Putsch, and had more people participating. I'm pretty sure it's you that doesn't know what fascism actually is. "Fascism is the complete opposite of Marxian socialism", Mussolini. The Marxist ideal is a stateless non-authoritarian democratic socialism. The complete opposite is an ultra-nationalistic authoritarian crony capitalist dictatorship.
By implying I want one party, because I don't think racism, sexism, and bigotry, need a platform, like you do, means you're arguing that the Republican party is all about racism, sexism, and bigotry, or that they somehow couldn't be a party without those "ideas". Well done. You're making that party sound great. In reality, I'd actually like to see no parties. Vote for individuals and their stated policy positions. Politics as a team sport is stupid and lazy.
Mail in voting was up all over the country. I'm quite sure that, if you looked at the other states (that Trump didn't challenge), you'd find a similar breakdown, that more voters voting for the candidate who encouraged voting by mail, voted by mail, and more voters voting for the candidate who encouraged voting in person, voted in person. The only difference between the states that were challenged, and the rest of the country, was that their Republican state legislators didn't update their election system, to start counting mail in ballots early. So, unlike the rest of the states, you got to witness the day of voting count, and then the mail in voting count being added after. Trump used the imagery of that process as propaganda. With zero evidence, from his election night podium, he started spewing his voter fraud crap. He was perfectly fine with just beforehand saying he won states the AP had called for him, the night of. His daughter even congratulated him when the AP called Alaska for him, days after he had started spewing his voter fraud and anti AP bullshit.
You know even after winning in 2016, he was also baselessly declaring widespread voter fraud, claiming that's why he didn't win the popular vote, right? He even set up an election integrity commission. It was finding nothing of the sort, so he quietly ended it. Trump just throws shit and hopes it sticks. This time it has gotten his friends, that threw shit with him, hit with billion dollar defamation lawsuits. I guess they'll get their day in court, like they wanted, lol.
Do you think it's just a coincidence, that countries that rolled out testing quicker and tested at higher rates, rolled out masks quicker and had higher mask use, created apps for covid tracking, etc., faired better than countries that didn't do those things, only did some, and did what they did slower? The US and UK were testing at a rate of 5 people per confirmed case, for example, while Vietnam (shares a long border with China) and S Korea were testing 50+ people per confirmed case. Do you think it's just a coincidence that Sweden, for example, is in the top 25 for covid deaths per million, with a covid death rate 5-10x higher than its neighbouring Nordic countries? Quarantines have been a pretty standard response to epidemics, for centuries now. Doctors and nurses wearing even cloth masks, way before the newer disposable masks, was pretty standard stuff. You're worried governments want to keep powers, that they've actually always had, to make people stay indoors, generate less revenue, and have to pay out more in assistance? Why would they want that? To what ends? It makes zero sense. Do they all have shares in UberEats, or something? Remember when the British government wanted to keep on telling people to turn off their lights, to ration food, to enter shelters whenever they said, etc., after years of war? Me either. And, I'm quite sure, now, that you're the one that doesn't know what fascism is.
Btw, I didn't say I was American. I'm Canadian. I also don't have a horse in the race. You, and the other guy, created a horse for me from pure imagination. US Corporate Dems, and maybe a very few less extreme Republicans, are almost like Canadian Conservatives (right). I wouldn't ever vote for, or show support for, them because I like their policies. It would only ever be to oppose something worse. I don't even tend to vote Liberal (centre-right, kind of like the broader US progressive caucus maybe), and only did once, to get rid of Harper. I tend to vote NDP (more centrist, like the Justice Dem style progressives and Bernie). To me, most US Republicans (far right) are batshit crazy. We had our Conservative party split, before, and some created an even further right party. It failed. Only 14% of Canadians surveyed said they'd vote Trump. That almost half of Americans voted for him is insane. We also have hate speech laws, haven't hit your slippery slope, and are still ranked higher than the US on freedom indexes. We had a not horrible, but still only mediocre, covid response. If the US had a similar, just mediocre response, they could have had 300k fewer covid deaths. The US response was horrible. Massive incompetence, at multiple levels. I was telling Cuomo lovers that he was as incompetent as Trump, from the start. We also put our asylum seekers up in hotels, not prisons. Plenty of Canadians stay in the US longer than they're supposed to, and don't get rounded up and tossed in those ICE prisons.
You, literally, chastised me for adding options to justify ultimatums. Then, still used the words "abuse" and "mistreat", to describe justified ultimatums. Now you're justifying ultimatums, and more. You also, still seem to have zero clue what I asked, about women's suffrage, slavery, and forced segregation. You can blather on about rational arguments and "negotiations" all you want. Again, I never said that didn't happen, and outright implied it did. It still won't change the fact that that's not all it took. Slavery not standing up to old English law, the authority, in mainland England, is that authority forcing its will on those who wanted slaves. Declaring people pirates and chasing them down was force. Making trade ultimatums was force. The US having to go to war was force. Not having the option to not sell your slaves to be freed, and keep them, was force. The authority, backed by the will of the majority, forced that will on the irrational holdouts, that couldn't simply be reasoned with. Almost everything you've described was force.
There are Scottish clubs, Irish clubs, Italian clubs, Greek clubs, Catholic schools, Muslim schools, Jewish schools, schools for people of various European descent, boys' clubs, girls' clubs, women's clubs, men's clubs, women's gyms, men's gyms, women's sports, men's sports, etc., etc., etc. What kind of segregation are you worried about, exactly, that's even remotely equivalent to Jim Crow style segregation?
A busiiness guessing that doing X will lose them consumers, or doing Y will gain them consumers, or doing A would be good for public relations, or doing B wouldn't be good for public relations ... decisions businesses have been making for centuries ... are now "abuse", if they feel any kind of pressure (they always have, and always will, feel the pressure of possibly doing something that tanks business), or if their customer base or the public just comes out and tells them so they don't have to guess. But multiple ways of forcing the idea that black people aren't animals, the idea that they shouldn't be property, on people in your country, people in your colonies, and even people outside your country or empire ... all good. So, the finding that FB was giving right wing media, like Shapiro, more algorithm weight was them supporting Democrats? Odd support.
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@bravesirkevin @bravesirkevin Holy crap, you are completely clueless. What I said was that fascism is the opposite of the Marxist ideal, which can also be called anarchism, or libertarian socialism. An authoritarian form of crony capitalism vs a non authoritarian democratic socialism. Socialism is abroad category, like capitalism, not a narrow position, like fascism. 100% privately owned and operated on one end and 100% publicly owned and operated on the other end, with various degrees of mixed economies in between ... not counting the military, justice system, and basic government, which even Ayn Rand fans, US Libertarians, and the like, argue are needed for a functioning full blown capitalist society. Don't even have those and you get ancap on one side and anarchism, ansoc, on the other. Have those, and go super authoritarian, and you've got fascism on one side and capital C Communist countries on the other. You're a complete joke. There were a number of socialist enclaves in Italy. They weren't created by the federal government. Mussolini and his fascists went after them even before gaining power. It's one of the reasons the King handed Mussolini power, to quash rising socialism ... from the bottom. Anarchists in Spain set up communities, as well, from the bottom. They didn't always get along with the more authoritarian Soviet style communists, but they sided with them against Franco and his fascists. Much like Libertarians and ancappers side with Republicans, when it comes to certain things. Saying socialism is opposed to liberty, when it comes in a libertarian flavour, is completely idiotic.
Rofl! What a load of crap. If something lasts (for how long exactly?), then there was no force involved? There was zero force involved in the American Revolution? Zero force involved in taking the land from natives? Zero force involved in CCP takeover of China? Zero force involved in defeating fascists? Zero force in colonizing Australia with criminals? Zero force in adding Scotland and Wales to England, to become the UK? Northern Ireland? Zero force in adding Quebec to Canada? Seriously, history is jammed packed with successful uses of force, and people then accepting the results. That's pretty much the basis for how peace treaties work, after force is used. To pretend like the law isn't force is just as nonsensical. Laws are "enforced" by police "forces". If the law says you can't have a slave, but you really like the idea of having a slave, then you'll most likely get your ass tossed in jail, if you try for it. Did the South leave the union over slavery, enshrining slavery in their new constitution? After winning, did the North let them keep their slaves, if they wanted, or were they forced to give them up? You've gone from contradicting yourself to babbling complete and utter nonsense.
Yeah, all the Chinatowns, in various North American cities, have been nothing but trouble. Sounds like a warzone every Chinese New Year. And the Scottish pipe bands are a bunch of hooligans. Please don't tell me you want everyone to be of one culture. You just don't want them gathering together, in the same spot, or what? You didn't use the right winger words, but you implied their "reverse racism" is going on. Where at?
You've already argued that it wasn't "abuse", for say abolitionists to pressure and convince enough lawmakers to abolish slavery, and then enforce it on the rest of society. Yet, you're still going on as if someone pressuring a company is "abuse". Hell, you've just justified a whole ton of crap, with your acceptance = no force argument.
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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HelloSnowflake2 Does that mean Republicans were scared of Hillary, with their 6 investigations, even while she was Trump's political opponent, and why Trump ran on "Lock her up!"? All found nothing to charge her with.
Does that mean Trump, and Republicans, were scared of Biden, in 2020, when they started investigating him, while he was Trump's political opponent? And, they're still fishing, in 2024, while he's Trump's political opponent, and haven't found anything to charge him with.
You lot are so stupid, and hypocritical.
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@crabbypattie
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@OPgamingstyle Maybe add a "from what I've seen" qualifier, if you don't want to be considered 🤪, in the future. Although, it still sounds a little 🤪, if you'd prefer young soldiers be called "sociopaths", have their taxes raised, have them get less of a vote, and have them be told they have no stake in the country ... over someone stating a rank they were, when they retired, and putting in for retirement, after 24 years, months before his unit was deployed.
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@garetroth5683 1. Russia wasn't going to invade Ukraine.
2. Even though Russia has been f*cking around in former SSR countries, since 1991, and Putin wrote an essay on how Russia should get them all back, the war in Ukraine is totally NATO's fault.
3. "Russiagate". Republican Mueller provided hundreds of pages of collusion (not a legal term), that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy. He stated that Jr and Kushner weren't indicted for criminal conspiracy, because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't. Provided evidence of obstruction. And, indicted dozens of Russians and Russian companies for election interference, as well as a number of Trump cronies, for other crimes.
4. Dwelling on a single Syria gas attack investigation, that had a couple dissenting opinions, when there were numerous gas attacks, with double investigations, that unanimously found Syria to be guilty ... by the same agency that had no problem telling the US there weren't any WMDs in Iraq, so there's zero evidence of them being in the US' back pocket.
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@garyelder4610 You MAGA morons wanted someone to run the country like he does his businesses. He did. He has been committing fraud since he was in diapers.
"March 06, 2015
WASHINGTON, DC – The Financial Crimes Enforcement Network (FinCEN) today imposed a $10 million civil money penalty against Trump Taj Mahal Casino Resort (Trump Taj Mahal), for willful and repeated violations of the Bank Secrecy Act (BSA). In addition to the civil money penalty, the casino is required to conduct periodic external audits to examine its anti-money laundering (AML) BSA compliance program and provide those audit reports to FinCEN and the casino’s Board of Directors.
Trump Taj Mahal, a casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, admitted to several willful BSA violations, including violations of AML program requirements, reporting obligations, and recordkeeping requirements. Trump Taj Mahal has a long history of prior, repeated BSA violations cited by examiners dating back to 2003. Additionally, in 1998, FinCEN assessed a $477,700 civil money penalty against Trump Taj Mahal for currency transaction reporting violations."
"1991
The Trump Castle Casino Resort, admitting that a $3.5-million loan from Donald J. Trump’s father violated state gaming laws, has agreed to a $30,000 penalty, officials said Tuesday."
"But The Times’s investigation, based on a vast trove of confidential tax returns and financial records, reveals that Mr. Trump received the equivalent today of at least $413 million from his father’s real estate empire, starting when he was a toddler and continuing to this day.
Much of this money came to Mr. Trump because he helped his parents dodge taxes. He and his siblings set up a sham corporation to disguise millions of dollars in gifts from their parents, records and interviews show. Records indicate that Mr. Trump helped his father take improper tax deductions worth millions more. He also helped formulate a strategy to undervalue his parents’ real estate holdings by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns, sharply reducing the tax bill when those properties were transferred to him and his siblings."
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Shove your garbage strawman, Dore. Pelosi introduced M4A last session, where it quietly died in committees, like 90% of bills do. The speaker, alone, can't force a bill through committees and onto the floor for a vote, even if they wanted to. AOC didn't endorse your bullshit FTV "plan". She also never campaigned on paralyzing the house, or threatening to paralyze the house.
You're slandering someone who just helped add more M4A yes votes to congress, the very thing you need to do to ever pass the bill, the very thing you'd still have to do even if you got your failed vote. So what? So you can ditch having progressive seats in congress, start from scratch, and lead idiots down a third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in going on 50 years?
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@imlikewhat860 Adding hurdles, that affect minorities more, is racist. Whether the hurdles are surmountable, or not, is irrelevant. If you want to add classist hurdles, without them being racist, then balance the poverty rates. They'll still be classist, though. Poorer urban people are less likely to own vehicles and more reliant on public transportation, so less likely to have a driver's license. They are also less able to afford taking a day off work. You're now adding hurdles to them voting, that weren't there before, in terms of ID. Making certain communities wait in line, and not other communities, is likewise racist, and classist. That it's possible to endure and get through is completely irrelevant to the point.
There are numerous ethnicity/nationality based clubs. There are numerous ethnicity/nationality based competitions and awards. There are numerous ethnicity/nationality based neighborhoods, or "towns". I don't think you quite have a grasp on exactly what racism is. A Scottish pipe band celebrating its Scottishness isn't racist.
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@imlikewhat860 It's not the you need a license. It's that they don't already have a useable ID on hand. They're made to go out and get an extra ID, to vote. If you don't think taking a day off work is an issue, then you have zero clue what it's like to be poor.
The poverty rate for black Americans went from near 60% down to 30% after the Civil Rights Act and the migration North. It was a North South divide, back then, not a Dem Rep divide. You're living in some delusion, where the parties are exactly the same as 150 years ago.
I don't think you know how racists work. A racist has an ideal in mind, with characteristics. They can add religion to it, nationality to it, ethnicity to it ... whatever they want. Nazis managed to be racist towards Jews, Poles, Romani, etc., all of which were white. The KKK managed to also hate Jews and Catholics, because they added the Protestant characteristic to being the ideal white person.
I also don't think you grasp that the vast majority of black Americans are descended from slaves. They were ripped away from their nations, ethnic groups, cultures, heritage, ancestry, and all thrown together into a singular slave culture. Africa is a massive continent, with dozens of countries and hundreds of different ethnic/cultural groupings. Black Americans don't tend to know which one they came from, and have developed their own cultural grouping. Black American is not simply a race. Much like descendants of black slaves in Jamaica, Haiti, etc., developed new cultures, in those countries. The only difference being they are the majority there.
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@imlikewhat860 No, you're arguing for the "magical" opposite. The geography is still similar. You're arguing that states where the majority fought and died to keep slavery going, where the KKK thrived, where the majority supported Jim Crow laws, which now tend to vote red, have magically become majority non racist, magically become the least racist. And, that the states which fought and voted against those things, where black Americans of the great migration migrated to, which now tend to vote blue, the party black Americans migrated to, have magically became majority racist, magically become the most racist.
The parties weren't unified and partisan, 60 years ago. Again, geography was a bigger factor than party. Why are you pretending like a Democratic president didn't push for the Civil Rights Act? Why are you pretending like the majority of Democratic representatives didn't vote for the Civil Rights Act?
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@Angela-eh8yn Every single Republican campaigns against M4A. None of them have signed onto the M4A bill. Republican voters elect them anyway. They'd likely vote for a moron who'd ban masks and vaccines over an M4A candidate. The ACA was actually popular amongst Republican voters, but they kept voting for candidates that wanted to repeal it, and a bunch of state level idiots who didn't sign onto Medicaid expansion. Republican voters are complete idiots, who would rather block a gay marriage than have better healthcare. The vast majority of Republican voters are completely irrelevant to ever getting M4A. They won't ever make it a condition for getting their vote.
As for more conservative Dems, they have also campaigned against M4A. They also won't sign onto the M4A bill. It's not some big secret who's opposed to it. Pelosi actually introduced the bill to congress just last session. It died in committees where 90% of bills die. So, on top of a list of names that won't cosign the bill, and a list of those who have openly campaigned against M4A, there was a list of committee members who let the bill die. What did Dore do with any of these lists? Nothing. He keeps bitching about those who have promoted it, campaigned on it, and have consigned. AOC, on the other hand, helped replace a few of them.
Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill to congress, this session, and it's in committees again. Instead of bitching at, and protesting, someone who has done more for M4A in 2 years than he has in his entire lifetime, maybe Dore should encourage protesting and pressuring committee members to take up the bill?
FTVers have proven that ftv was all a grift, to try and peddle a third party. Progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. It even passed the house and got a round of voting in the senate. So, just getting a vote on an important progressive policy is a big deal ... getting a list of no voters from both chambers is a big deal ... right? Nope. Just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting and who voted for it.
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@RaheemGostar You are such a brainwashed ignoramus. Dumpty had a trust fund, getting money for free. Plus, his dad put him, and his siblings, down as owners of properties and companies, to avoid his own taxes, making them all millionaires before kindergarten, and collecting salaries. When his casinos were failing, daddy also purchased over $3m in chips, and didn't cash them in ... for which, Dumpty and daddy were fined for gaming fraud. And these little loans, indicate Dumpty was so incompetent, that he no longer had the tens of millions he had received from daddy, or that he was so much in debt, that it blew through his monthly salary and allowance. His daddy also needed to co-sign his bank loans, so those were actually loans to daddy, which he was loaning to his son.
Not to mention the almost $200m he got when daddy died. If he robbed his siblings, even more. That he's possibly not even worth $1b, today, after being handed all that money, means he's incompetent (he was also fined $10.5m for improper bookkeeping at his casinos, so either incompetent or crooked).
The idiot stands outside courtrooms and "defends" himself from bank fraud, for undervaluing, by openly claiming he instead committed MASSIVE tax fraud, for undervaluing by over $1b. He's a complete and utter moron.
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@fredsanford1437 You mean, overstimated leverage, for a guaranteed to fail vote, and not actually M4A (which Bernie campaigned on, with AOC campaigning for him, while Dore was backing Tulsi and her "Medicare choice", and AOC also backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helping to add a few more M4A yes votes to congress and helping to remove a few more corporate Dems). Dore knobs have since proved they would have done absolutely nothing with a failed vote, anyway. There was a vote on the $15, and they just continued to whine and complain about the people who voted for it, instead of those who voted against, and have done absolutely nothing with their treasured list of names of no voters. Just a bunch of lazy good for nothings, following a "real" leftist, who promoted Trump as a better option than Clinton, who didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion and didn't care to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, and who failed in all his predictions. Gotta love "real" leftists that benefit the far right most. Go on Tucker, not to challenge right wing ideas, but to agree with them ... make friends with extreme right ancap Boogaloos who want the complete opposite economics to socialism ... such a "real" lefty Jimmy is.
Repeating what CIA pro war talking points? Like speaking out against US support for Israeli policies? Speaking out against US support for the war in Yemen? Ignoring that they have voted against US intervention in a number of places, which "pro war" talking points are they repeating, exactly?
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
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Oct 31, 2023
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Nov 15, 2023
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Dec 11, 2023
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
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No, Bloomberg is saying that resources shouldn't be wasted on older people with life threatening issues.
No shit the knee reconstruction surgeon isn't performing life saving surgery. That's why elective knee reconstruction gets less operating room time, fewer hospital beds, etc. Orthopedic surgeons do a lot more than knee and hip replacements, and plenty of life saving procedures. I know, first hand.
In Canada, 75% get their elective hip replacements, or what not, within the benchmark time frame, so yes, it's only a little bit of an extra wait for a few. Canada could increase its healthcare funding 50%, fixing their wait times, and still be paying less per capita than the US. You should also know that Canada's overall wait times are thrown off by lower populated provinces and large provinces with towns and small cities far removed from high population centres. In highly populated SW Ontario, they generally hit their benchmarks.
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@riddlese I have a problem with not considering stocks to have current value. Banks consider them to have current value, without having to be sold, which allows billionaires to live off lines of credit. Real estate is considered to have current value, without having to be sold. They should be paying taxes on the current value of their stocks, every year. The bottom 50% owns about 1.5% of total wealth, but pays about 3% of total federal taxes (including payroll), a 1:2 ratio, while the top 1% owns about 30% of total wealth, but pays 30% of total federal taxes, a 1:1 ratio. Amongst that 1%, even the lower end rich, who live on high paying incomes subject to income tax, are paying a higher percentage of their wealth than centibillionaire welfare kings, who don't pay their share back into the system that helped make them so rich.
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Can someone please remind Trump supporting morons that Obama's last budget ran through 2017. The Trump tax cuts didn't come into play until the beginning of 2018, when taxes were done. Even looking at standard stock market measures, the stock market has almost flatlined, since early 2018 ... also when he started his stupid trade wars. Even all the stock buybacks, artificially inflating stock values, only managed to kept the market fairly flat.
https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jones-industrial-average-last-10-years
Also, making cuts to the food stamp program, and swapping to food boxes, and then saying there are fewer people on food stamps, is fucking stupid. Yeah, he's about to kick 3m more people off food stamps. Ain't that grand! And, while cutting the food stamp program by about $13b a year, he has been handing out over double that in aid to farmers he has fucked over.
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When making his "anti-mandate" videos, he overstates vaccine negatives, understates vaccine positives, lies about the severity of covid, lies about alternate treatments, etc., all of which is similar nonsense that anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers have been peddling. It feeds into fears about getting vaccinated. It feeds into thinking getting vaccinated is unnecessary. It feeds into thinking their are other alternatives to the vaccine. That's the opposite of being pro-vaccine.
Also, the vaccine prices have been negotiated by the government, and then given out for free. It's like a tiny slice of universal healthcare. Making that out to be some big pharma cash grab also attacks how universal healthcare works. He, and Max, were trashing and lying about the completely socialized UK healthcare system, which is left of M4A, as well. Then he peddled more expensive, privately paid for, alternatives on Rogan. He is also no supporter of universal healthcare.
Dore is a grifter, who says he's selling you one thing, but is actually selling you something completely different.
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Israel was itself founded on terrorism, by terrorist groups like the Irgun and Lehi. Israel itself elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun and blew up the King David Hotel. Israel still celebrates those terrorists. They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a path to independence and statehood.
And, 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote the Iron Wall, which fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted, based on historical responses to colonialism, that the natives would fight it to the bitter end.
In the West Bank, Israel is basically using the blueprint from the colonization of North America. Move settlements out into native lands, piss off the natives, the natives respond with violence, act all shocked and horrified by the "savage" attack, send in the cavalry to squash the natives, and then eventually expand the border to include the settlement. Rinse and repeat. Sure, Native Americans wanted to push the European settlers back into the sea, but it wasn't like they had no reason for wanting to do that. Like in the early years of Zionism, under the Ottomans, they largely welcomed the newcomers, until those newcomers proved themselves to be racists, bigots, and violent expansionists.
In Gaza, Israel has disgustingly created its own open air "ghetto". They are, again, acting like the Puritans of America, who fled persecution for the New World ... only to turn around and persecute everyone else there. They fled from those trying to throw them in ghettos, only to end up creating their own.
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@TheRedStateBlue Israelis have repeatedly elected policymakers who continue the Zionist colonialism, which is aggression. Natives are never the aggressors, in the face of colonialism. The colonialists are never "innocent", nor are they ever "defenders".
On top of the colonialism, Israel was also founded on its own terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi, who bombed many Palestinian markets, killing many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel. Israel merged those terrorist groups into their new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
If all that isn't bad enough, they are f*cking operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. That should make it a no brainer, as to who is the aggressor. One is a colonialist occupier. One isn't. They've become the very thing they fled. The Warsaw ghetto uprising wasn't done by the aggressors. The ghetto was.
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@seandoyle296 You're talking like Harris. "Islam" didn't have a relationship with slavery. "Islam" doesn't exist on its own. Certain Muslims have had a relationship with slavery. There's also wasn't particularly racist, as they also made non Africans slaves. And, like you said yourself, they couldn't keep any of them as slaves, if the slaves converted. Converting didn't help African slaves in the Americas, because their status as slaves was entirely race based. There's also a difference between temporarily enslaving people for a period of time (which was often done with prisoners of war and criminals, and even developed countries still do with criminals) and chattel slavery, where you get to own them as personal property for life, and own their children, and their children, ...
You also seem to be conflating conquest with forced conversion. It actually benefited Muslim rulers to not force convert populations, because they could tax non Muslims a little bit extra. It benefited non Muslims, that they could pay a little extra to keep their ability to practice their own religion. The majority of the population in Hispania remained Christian, under Muslim rule, and Sephardic Jews remaiined Jewish. That's quite different than the Catholic conquerors giving Muslims and Jews the options of conversion, death, or exile.
European Catholics also conquered more of the Orthodox Byzantine Empire than Muslims did, but it's not considered quite as big a deal. It's more acceptable for Christians to conquer other Christians. But, if Muslims happen to conquer a Christian area, it's portrayed as some kind of holy war, when it wasn't necessarily so. It was largely Christians who made things into holy wars, that comprised of both conquest and forced conversion. They had crusades against northern pagans, crusades to "reconquer" Hispania, and crusades against Muslims to the East.
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@seandoyle296 Do you have reading comprehension problems, or does your mind only jump between two extremes, of all good and all bad? I didn't call anyone "noble", or argue anything was "utopic". I simply explained some differences.
You were mentioning the spread of Islam, in other posts. Not sure where I lost you, while explaining the difference between simply conquering vs conquering with forced conversion. I used Catholics, as an example, because all of Europe was Catholic, at the time, and they force converted along with conquest. They had been force converting since the Roman Empire adopted Christianity and force converted its own populace. You can go on about Muslim conquests, but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't much practice forced conversion. Alexander conquered all the way to India, as well, but he didn't force convert the populations along the way to believe in the Greek gods. Pre-Christian Romans conquered large amounts of territory, but also didn't force convert populations along the way. There's a difference between spreading your borders by the sword, and spreading your religion by the sword.
You get that, as a rate, 12m over 500 years is worse than 17m over 1300 years, right? You also failed to mention the millions of slaves being bread like livestock, over hundreds of years, in the Americas, on top of those traded from Africa. There were 4 million, in the US alone, in 1860, and millions more in the 200 years prior. Chattel slavery, like that, wasn't commonplace in Muslim nations, while manumission was common, even mandatory in places. There were black Moors accepted as rulers. There were also Sudanese Mamluks accepted at the elite levels of your slavery hierarchy, that also went on to be rulers in places. There was also a hierarchy in the chattel slavery of the Americas, where whites couldn't be chattel slaves, blacks were considered good chattel slaves, and natives were considered bad chattel slaves, so were wiped out, ethnically cleansed, or simply worked to death en masse. You have an uphill battle trying to argue other forms of slavery was as racist, or as bad, as it was.
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@seandoyle296 It does seem to be a reading comprehension problem, because you don't seem to be grasping things I am saying, and make up things I haven't said.
What I'm talking about is me simply pointing out the fact that Muslims didn't do X, and you then jumping to comparisons to "apologetics", "nobility", or "utopia", I haven't apologized for anything they actually did. I haven't called anyone "noble". I haven't painted anything as a "utopia". In what reality is having multiple forms of slavery some noble utopia? It's not. Pointing out the fact that they didn't really have race based chattel slavery is simply a fact. That chattel slavery itself wasn't common in Muslim nations is just a fact. Not sure how you're going to dig up millions of extra black slaves, that were bred into slavery, when that wasn't really much of a thing in Muslim nations. Them freeing slaves being more common doesn't change that they enslaved someone to begin with. It doesn't make them saints. It just means they practiced slightly less horrible forms of slavery, and were somewhat less racist.
Muslims were only about 16% of the population in India, when the British started ruling, after centuries of Mughal rule. There's no evidence of an ongoing mass forced conversion effort of the populace. Hindu princes helped rule, and Hindus helped run the administration. The Sikh religion itself draws from both Hinduism and Islam, and was only in its infancy around when Mughals started ruling. It actually grew and spread, under Mughal rule. It was mainly just one ruler that tried to force convert people. I'm sure it had nothing to do with them forementing uprisings, and whatnot. You're the one desperately grasping at little anecdotes, to try and make out like two largely different spreads were the same. But, you don't actually have stories of widespread, ongoing, relentless, forced mass conversion, almost everywhere Muslims ruled ... like within the Roman Empire against pagans, like within new territories conquered by Christian Romans, like Northern Crusades against pagan rulers, like Eastern Crusades against Muslims, like the "reconquest" of Spain, like a Chinese Jesus waging one of the bloodiest wars in history, like enslaving or wiping out native Americans that wouldn't convert, Orthodox Russians force converting pagans and Muslims and Jews, etc. Force converting was almost everywhere Christians ruled, on an ongoing grand scale, for centuries. Grasping at what this one Muslim ruler did here, or that this happened to this single Christian there, isn't actually evidence that the overall spread was the same. That there aren't endless accounts from almost everywhere Muslims ruled, and that you have to grasp at little anecdotes, is actually evidence the overall spread wasn't the same. And, again, simply pointing out a fact, isn't arguing that tons of bloody conquests, or any brutal rulers, were some noble utopia, or apologize for anything they actually did do.
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@seandoyle296 Are there lists with Europeans considered to be superior chattel slaves, in the Americas, or were they not at all on chattel slave lists? Is there an example of blacks being considered inferior, and used as chattel slaves, in just Spanish controlled Americas, or was it also in the British controlled Americas, the France controlled Americas, the Dutch controlled Americas, the Portuguese controlled Americas? Were natives considered inferior in one European empire's colony in Africa, the Americas, East Asia, the South Pacific, or in pretty much all of those colonies, for hundreds of years? Were there black Christian rulers ruling over major parts any Christian empires, like there were black Muslims ruling over major parts of Islamic empires? Were there Africans or natives even being made governors, or generals?
The Zanj rebellion wasn't even a black slave only rebellion, and black slaves might not have even been the majority of rebels. It included Beduins and Bahrani, who were Muslim. It included Basra peasants, who were Muslim. It included previously, or partially, freed slaves, of various races, who were Muslim. They were led by a free Muslim man, who was largely Arab, with a grandmother that was a freed slave, who preached the extreme egalitarian philosophy of previous Kharijite rebels, the first Muslim sect, who had also operated out of Basra. The rebels were also, themselves, quite brutal, slaughtering and burning villages. Your rebellion totals are for both sides, dumb dumb, and the side you're claiming them all on wasn't all black, maybe not even a majority black. Not to mention, that said rebellion led to Islamic empires no longer using large concentrations of slave labour, which kind of f*cks up your bullshit samesies narrative.
Even in that brutally authoritarian area of a single Muslim empire, the very fact that many of them were previously freed, or partially freed, slaves, indicates they weren't practicing endless chattel slavery. I'm doubting you even know what that term means, since you keep comparing things that weren't it, to it. It means someone being property for their entire lives. It means their children being property from birth, even if it's a white man's child, for their entire lives. And so on, and so on, generation after generation. Even within that same empire, there were also prominent black Moors in positions of power in parts of it. I have no clue where you're getting the idea that white Christian European nobility would be fine with black Christians ruling over them, or power sharing with black Christians, or even for it to be common to have black Christians amongst their governing administrations. And that's the only possible idea you could possibly have, to think the two were equally racist. Brutality doesn't debunk manumission. Spaniards eradicated entire islands of its people, brought in tons of slaves, cared less if they died as they were constantly bringing in more ... plus weren't commonly freeing them, on top of that.
You don't think there were any land deaths, or camp deaths, prior to shipping slaves west? There were also millions shipped to Asian and African markets, by Atlantic slave traders. South Africa was largely uninhabited. They imported a ton of slaves. And European slave traders weren't, at all, capturing Europeans to be slaves, while Muslims like Barbary pirates did. Why? Because their chattel slavery was entirely race based, ffs, while the non chattel Muslim slavery, hierarchy or not, wasn't entirely race based, didn't have a chattel category for people of certain races you didn't even consider human. Christian nations also had non racist debt slavery, political slavery, and criminal slavery, on top of their purely race based chattel slavery. Many of them were treated very poorly, but were released if they made it through their time served. Australia was founded on that kind of non race based non chattel slavery of criminals ... while they were almost entirely eradicating the black natives, because they were racist as f*ck. But hey, some Muslim guy made a hierarchy list, so samesies.
Oh geezus. Yeah, Christians also converted slaves ... on top of force converting all of Europe, Russia, people in numerous colonies ... samesies.
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@seandoyle296 Rofl. Here are a couple easy questions ...
In society A, if you are born outside its borders, you may get brought in as a slave, may even be considered inferior amongst slaves, but you are likely to be freed at some point, and if you are born within its borders, you will be free from the get go, and can attain positions of authority and be accepted as equals amongst the society's higher ups. In society B, whether you're born outside its borders and brought in, or within, you most likely will be a chattel slave your entire life, and if you're in the teenie tiny minority that are freed, you won't attain positions of authority, and likely won't be accepted as an equal. Which society would you prefer living in?
In society A, if you are of a different religion, you can pay a bit more taxes, and keep practicing your religion. In society B, your religion is made illegal (maybe even your different denomination), and you are given the option of conversion, death, or exile. Which society would you prefer living in?
If you answer B, to either of those, then I can only assume that you are completely delusional.
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@jilldent5514 Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, dimwit. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. All, or part, of the region has been called a variation of Palestine, by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks (Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be "in Palestine"), Western Romans, Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims, Christian crusaders, Ottomans, British, and even the first Zionist congress that wanted to create a home "in Palestine". You lot are just a bunch of liars.
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By every measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through.
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@FrancisFjordCupola You're the kind of dimwit who thinks the Democratic Republic of North Korea is actually democratic. Hitler didn't even want the "socialism" in the name of the party. He was convinced, by others, that it would help bring over workers. Hitler was backed by leading industrialists of Germany, who had previously backed other far right parties. Hitler even tried an alliance with all the other far right parties, called the Harzburg Front. He made a private pamphlet, just for his backers, letting them know he wouldn't be redistributing wealth. Hitler briefly lost Emil Kirdorf as a backer (who jumped to another far right party), because he hadn't dealt with prominent left leaning members of the party. Hitler literally killed them off on the Night of the Long Knives. Socialists, communists, and anarchists, were his main political opponents, and the first to be tossed into camps, once he gained power. Tens of thousands of people were arrested for "illegal socialist activity". Then he went after Unionists. One of his arguments against Jews was blaming them for socialism, because Marx was Jewish.
People like you are equivalent to Holocaust deniers, by denying who Hitler actually mistreated.
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@rodolfo7441 How is it that a $2000+, per dose, Rogan "kitchen sink", doesn't put more money in the pockets of big pharma, than an under $20, per dose, vaccine? How does weeks, to months, in the hospital, being pumped full of all kinds of drugs, not put more money in the pockets of big pharma?
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@jasong7373 Rofl. You said reaching a high vaccination rate (which 65% isn't) wouldn't end the pandemic, which it irrelevant to whether more unvaccinated are dying.
You lied about what exactly the WHO actually said about boosters. They said diverting doses away from the unvaccinated would cause more variants ... because the unvaccinated cause more variants. Nobody is diverting away from the unvaccinated, if they aren't signing up to get vaccinated. So, you, and Joe, are the ones encouraging more variants.
You lied about the vaccination rate approaching 80%, and then just asserted that none of the remaining unvaccinated was brought there by Joe, based on absolutely nothing. Potentially about 11m unvaccinated people could have been brought there by Joe.
You lied about the vaccines not doing much for transmissions. You have to catch the virus to spread the virus and the booster was shown to have 80% efficacy against Omicron, and 90+% vs Delta and Alpha. No vaccine has been found to have 0% efficacy. Something like 6 out of 8 monoclonal antibodies treatments have been found to be 0% effective against Omicron, however, for those thinking a Rogan $2000+/dose "kitchen sink" is going to save them.
Again, none of that addresses death rates, at all. You blathered a lot of nonsense and outright bullshit.
PHMDC: COVID-19 hospitalization, death rates ~60x higher for unvaccinated vs. boosted
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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@winnerxxl That last fear game, that Trump won on, was against a very conservative Democrat. She spectacularly lost to one of the worst performing Republican candidates in US history. Americans want serious change. Many hoped Obama would give it to them. He didn't. Many hoped Trump would give it to them. He didn't.
That's what Bernie needs to point out, that Trump isn't at all anti-establishment. It's the same old establishment Republican shenanigans ... tax cuts for the rich, increase military funding, support fossil fuels, deny climate change, cut government programs, anti-intellectual, anti-abortion, anti-lgbt, anti-immigrant, etc., etc., etc. Same old same old.
Bernie is the one who actually wants to change things away from both establishments.
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@mfflscotty2095 There are more regulations in the UK, regarding hiring, zoning, etc., and more spending on government social programs, like the fully socialized NHS. Plus, double the unionization rate, which increases regulations, within a contract. Where the US government mainly outspends, is with the military. 6x more, as a percent of federal spending. US businesses are also more subject to private law suits (which is a "freer" environment), sometimes exactly because they aren't better regulated.
Curious as to why are you simply measuring economic freedom, as a sign of success? Wouldn't the happiness index be a better measure of success? Or, do you simply want to stay away from very happy countries with like 75% unionization rates, and even more government services?
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Likud was created by Zionist terrorist, Menachem Begin, who bombed Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism), and bombed the King David Hotel. The other founder was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages. Their initial platform stated that their goal was for Israel to rule from the sea to the Jordan (reverse of, from the river to the sea). Netanyahu has proven that that still seems to be the goal, with the endless colonization of the West Bank. Netanyahu also promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization projects. The end of violence would mean that Israel might have to pull back, plus allow the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Peace is against Likud's interests.
So, why not the exact same demand that Likud be removed?
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@deepblueseeds5563 You're a nutbar. Both Jews and Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. The region of Canaan was then dominated by Egyptians, Hittites, or both splitting it. Then, the Hittite Empire collapsed and Egypt was pushed out. The Kingdoms of Israel and Judea, plus Philistia, all emerged from that power vacuum, at about the same time. None ever controlled the entire region of Canaan. Israel was the first to be wiped out, by the Assyrians. Tiny Judea, and Philistia, were both conquered by the Babylonians, at about the same time. Neither Israel, nor Judea, existed for any significantly longer period of time, if at all, than Philistia. The Babylonians were conquered by the Persians. The Persians were conquered by the Greeks. And, the Greeks were conquered by the Romans.
Here's where things get really interesting. Even though Rome brought advancements, creating a more developed society (What have the Romans ever done for us?), the Jews felt oppressed, and rose up on multiple occasions, and actually killed tens of thousands of non Jewish civilians. Rome, in turn, used excessive force, collective punishment, destroyed temples, and ethnically cleansed many Jews. And thus began their 1500+ year walkabout. Except, the entire population wasn't ethnically cleansed, nor genocided, nor is there a non fairy tale account of it ever being completely ethnically cleansed or completely genocided. Which means, part of the native population has always remained. Hence, the Canaanite DNA amongst Palestinians. What's not connected to DNA is religion. It would be pretty easy for a native population to convert to Christianity and then Islam. It would be completely moronic for someone to claim you can tell which group was there first by what religion they currently practice.
Now, if you go on a 1500+ year walkabout, you're no longer coming back as a full fledged native, who never left. If you ethnically cleanse those who never left, off the lands they lived on, and claim those lands for yourself, you're coming back as a colonizer. Europeans have African DNA, if you go back far enough, but they still colonized the sh*t out of Africa. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the natives.
In 1918, Ben-Gurion fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would react by resisting until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them. He thought their colonization was "good", and also wrote that they'd need outside help, to force the outcome they wanted.
Everything is going according to plan. Respond to uprisings just like the Romans. Keep people in an open air WWII style ghetto just like the fascists. Colonize the West Bank just like in North America. Israelis have learned from all, as they've gone along, and become the very things they fled from.
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
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@ChaiCrimes You're as ignorant as your mom. Early Zionists fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. A colonialist is never not the aggressor, when it comes to the natives. On top of the colonialism, Zionists formed terrorist groups like the Irgun and Lehi, which bombed numerous Palestinian markets, amongst other civilian targets, killing many, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hote, as PM. To this day, Israelis celebrate those terrorists as heroes. They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
In the West Bank, Israel is using the blueprint for the colonization of North America. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives react violently, cry about being poor "innocent" colonizers who were attacked by "savages", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and then extend the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat.
In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Absolutely abhorrent that they, of all people, would do something so horrendous.
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It was all indentured servitude, to begin with. Black people were then stripped of their rights, bit by bit, until almost all were chatel slaves. It had already begun, but the rebellion did hasten things along. Eventually, even most black freemen lost all their rights, too. Mixed marriages, leading to laws banning them, was another angle used to drive a wedge between the races. I think it was less to do with giving little advantages to one group, raising them up a tiny bit, and more to do with taking every little thing from the other group, dropping them down a lot lower.
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@hakanpetersson2662 I was still referring to land owners, but okay. Between Jews, non-Jews, and publicly owned, they were a majority, or plurality, nowhere.
Haifa: 104k Jews, 120k non-Jews. But, you're right about Ramle/Lydda, a slight majority, but they only owned 14% of the property. Non-Jews owned 77%. 9% was public.
So, the Jewish partition should have been just Lydda.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@crabbypattie You're dumb. "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state. A free Palestine, could be a single state, where everyone can live freely. "Israel", however, is defined as an ethno-state, which means there's no good way to interpret Likud's platform. "Between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. Likud was founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists. Israelis elected the leaders of both those terrorist groups as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Hamas is a poor man's Likud, only opposed to colonialism instead of doing the colonialism.
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@avenuePad The bigger problem, to me, than her initial wording, is her not listening to the others, who were trying to correct her in real time, and her remaining adamant that it wasn't about race, and arguing with them. Just like people here, online, continuing to adamantly argue that it wasn't about race. Not only were her initial words problematic, her unwillingness to listen was also problematic. I get the point she was trying to convey, but the point she was trying to convey isn't the issue.
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@StasCherkassky Move, or we will unalive you, is ethnc cleansing, yeah. Leaving them no homes to return to is ethnc cleansing, yeah. 100+ years of declared revisionist intent to clnz all of Pal says it's ethnc cleansing, as well. Rofl ... Basically every adult IL citizen, is active mltry or a reserve mltry. Even Ham likely has a better mltry to civilian ratio than IL.
Oh. So, at what percentage, exactly, were the Nzis officially doing gncd, in Poland, since you claim the first 30k of Poland's 3m Jws don't count? Do tell.
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@StasCherkassky Move, or we will off you, is ethnc cleansing, yeah. Leaving them no homes to return to is ethnc cleansing, yeah. 100+ years of declared revisionist intent to clnz all of Pal says it's ethnc cleansing, as well. Rofl ... Basically every adult IL citizen, is active mltry or a reserve mltry. Even Ham likely has a better mltry to civilian ratio than IL.
Oh. So, at what percentage, exactly, were the Nzis officially doing gncd, in Poland, since you claim the first 30k of Poland's 3m Jws don't count? Do tell.
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@StasCherkassky Move, or be mrdrd, is ethnc clnsing, yeah. Leaving them no homes to return to is ethnc clnsing, yeah. 100+ years of declared revisionist intent to clnz all of Pal says it's ethnc clnsing, as well. Basically every adult IL citizen, is active mltry or a rsrv mltry. Even Ham likely has a better mltry to civilian ratio than IL.
Oh. So, at what percentage, exactly, were the Nzis officially doing gncd, in Pol, since you claim the first 30k of Pol's 3m Jws don't count? Do tell.
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@StasCherkassky Move, or be mrdrd, is ethnc clnsing, yeah. Leaving no homes to return to is ethnc clnsing, yeah. 100+ years of declared revisionist intent to clnz all of Pal says it's ethnc clnsing, as well. Basically every adult IL citizen, is active duty or rsrvst. Even Ham likely has a better mlt to civilian ratio than IL.
Oh. So, at what percentage, exactly, were the Nzs officially doing gncd, in Pol, since you claim the first 30k of Pol's 3m Jws don't count? Do tell.
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@TheOldSchoolGamer93 The difference between Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, is that Muslims didn't simply stick a new new testament after the first two. It rewrote the whole thing, and left out many things they considered to have been inserted by man, into the first two, including a bunch of the worst laws from the OT/Tanakh. You have to get into the Hadiths, which aren't used by all (somewhat like Catholic catechisms), for it to get as nasty as the OT/Tanakh.
It was actually the more tolerant, of the 3, for about 1300, of its 1600 years, until the Ottoman Empire was carved up, by Christian nations, and parts handed off to more extreme Muslims. Since then, part of the problem with being a more moderate Muslim, is that it also went with being somewhat more leftist. Christian nations, especially the UK and US, didn't like that. One, or both, supported ... a coup in Syria, when their democratically elected government voted against a pipeline ... a coup in Iran, when their democratically elected PM wanted to nationalize their oil ... a coup in Iraq, when their popular revolutionary leader, who had overthrown the Brit's puppet king, proposed nationalizing their oil ... religious extremists in Afghanistan, when Communist Muslims overthrew the Brit's puppet king, and wanted to do horrible things, like extend women's rights to all women, not just the rich.
For 1300 years Jews lived amongst Muslim nations, in relative peace. They were given refuge when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. The Ottomans even okayed the earliest form of Zionsim, which was closer to just immigration. Zionist fanatics returned the favor with colonialism, terrorism (Irgun and Lehi), and occupation. Similarly, to the US and UK above, Netanyahu promoted, and helped transfer money to, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization project, which is based on further religious nuttery.
So, it's not exactly as straight forward as Islam includes the other two, so it is as bad as them, plus more. The earlier two are partly responsible for the current versions of Islam, and the nations ruled by it. Turkey is the last remnant of the Ottoman Empire, not Saudi. Women there fight to keep abortion rights, like in the US. Homosexuality there has never been illegal, because they carried over Ottoman law, which had decriminalized it before a lot of Christian nations did, or while some were still considering it a form of insanity.
TL:DR ... Relationship Status: It's complicated.
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Likud was founded by Irgun (bombed Palestinian markets and other public places, and the King David Hotel) and Lehi (considered worse than the Irgun, also assassins, who tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain) terrorists. Not only does their, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", platform promise to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories ... it claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq.
Do you condemn Likud?
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@JohnSmith-xq6cv Fuck, moron. "Han Chinese" isn't a fucking colour. The proper comparison would be with Americans who are mostly of English descent, not "white". The Chinese are different from the Japanese, and the English are different from the Dutch.
British Americans did not have the same experience as Irish Americans, who did not have the same experience as Italian Americans, who did not have the same experience as German Americans, who did not have the same experience as Spanish Americans, etc. Hell, you racist morons don't even consider people of Spanish decent "white" anymore. There has never been a unified "white American" culture. You're spouting bullshit.
The only unifying aspects are agreeing to a democratic system, and gradually coming around to freedom from and freedom for religion, and everyone being equal under the law. White nationalists don't believe in any of that shit.
Detail this supposed singular "white American" culture. Who best represents it, Californians or Texans?
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@Cristian-g9v6x Not sure if he has actually said that, more recently, but back in 2016, he promoted letting Trump win. He argued it would lead to a massive progressive wave, that would take over the house (nope), senate (nope), and presidency (nope). He also argued there was no real downside, that the moon would fall into Lake Michigan, before Trump even filled one SCOTUS seat, let alone multiple (nope). He was wrong about everything. That, and everything he has promoted since then, would benefit Republicans, more than anyone else.
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@jdelapaz14 "Russiagate" ... is that where Democrats, Republicans like Mueller and Romney, the FBI (which been run by Republicans for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to get Mike Pence made president? Lol. Russia having bot farms and sharing information with Dumpty's team is pretty straight forward.
There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2013. There have been dozens of no fault UN investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been dozens of fault finding investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses. There have been dozens of healthcare worker witnesses. There have been multiple NGO witnesses, including Doctors Without Borders. There are multiple legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims. Two dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that investigation, let alone all the others. That investigation wasn't even started until after Israel, the US, the UK, and others had already started bombing Syria. The final report didn't come out until almost a year later. Plus, it was an initial no fault investigation, that didn't even assign blame. The report wasn't used as a reason to bomb Syria. There was another chemical weapons attack just the month before, which had both a no fault investigation and a blame assigning investigation, with zero dissenting opinions, that blamed Syria. The US, and others, could just as easily use that one as some retroactive justification. Dore is the one spouting a nutty conspiracy, that all of the above are in cahoots to lie about Syrian chemical weapons use. Syria actually using chemical weapons is pretty straight forward.
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@lonewolf115 Every country in the world, except the remaining absolute monarchies, are socialist to some degree. If sectors of your society are publicly owned and operated, then you've got some socialism in your capitalism. Everyone needs to get over the fear of a damn word, admit all our economies are mixed, and then just figure out what things we'd like to be publicly owned and operated, and what things we'd like to be privately owned and operated, without the nonsense fearmongering.
David, and others, need to stop making out like using the word "socialist" is a big deal. It's just subtle fearmongering about a word, in itself.
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@A_Derpy_NINJA You clearly don't know Dore's "argument" for promoting Trump as the better option than Clinton. He agreed Trump was worse, agreed he was a raving fascist, but claimed letting the psycho win would lead to a massive progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would result in progressives "for sure" taking the house in 2018 (wrong), taking the senate in 2018 (wrong), and the presidency in 2020 (wrong). He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republican lawmakers would join the left in voting against a Trump agenda (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). To argue Clinton would have been worse is both completely moronic and not, at all, what Dore argued. And, Dore thinking to let him win, again, after all his predictions were wrong, and after Trump helped kill hundreds of thousands of Americans, is psychotic.
Did you know there's a big world out there, beyond the US, and US government agents? Doctors across the world support the vaccine. Peru has had one of, if not the, highest uses of Ivermectin, in the world, and also has the highest covid deaths per capita rate, in the world. A large Ivermectin study was pulled from publications, when it was found to be fraudulent, with fabricated and faulty data. Why the need to fabricate results, if it works? Did you know Ivermectin is also owned by a giant pharma company?
Dore goes on Tucker to rant and rave about Democrats and progressives, often agreeing with the far right arguments, and Tucker nods along. Dore has never really challenged Tucker, or his audience, about anything.
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@oliverpringle4309 And then Russia screwed around in Georgia, Moldova, and Chechnya, causing other former Soviet states to request joining NATO. Explain how NATO, expanding in 1999, provoked Russia in 1991-1998?
No it doesn't. The ONHRC documents how the vast majority of deaths in Donbas occurred when Russian Nazis were taking over the region, how there have been very few deaths since, and decreasing each year. It also documents that the majority of deaths, since the occupation, have been by mines, and on the Donbas side of the minefields.
So, are you good with the US meddling in Syria, and opposed to Russia giving Syria defensive assistance? Oh geezus, there have been dozens of inspections, and documentation of Assad using chemical weapons. 2 dissenting opinions, on a single inspection, doesn't even refute that inspection, let alone all the others, that had no dissenting opinions.
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Stop bullshitting. You don't care about others having healthcare.
In 2016, you promoted Trump as a better option, not caring if that might lead to the repeal of the ACA and millions losing their healthcare, including people with preexisting conditions. During the 2020 primaries, you promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice" aka public option) instead of Bernie (M4A), not caring about getting the better healthcare plan, and not caring that you might peel away enough votes from the more viable progressive and let Biden win. You spent the general basically running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if that would lead to the ACA being completely repealed, not caring if he killed thousands of more Americans, and no longer advocated for getting even a public option, or the Medicare age decrease that would put millions more on Medicare. Plus, you're promoting yet another third party that won't even get you a seat in congress in the next 50 years, let alone get you M4A, and could just split progressive voting enough to lose the gains they've made within the Dem party, handing it back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying the healthcare system even more.
If anyone is a "fake", "shill", "sellout", or whatnot, it's clearly you, Jimmy. AOC backed Bernie over Biden, Biden over Trump, and just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the only thing that will ever get M4A passed, failed show vote or no failed show vote.
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@X7Excalibur You seriously want to use a "nobody wants them" argument, when Jewish people are involved in the equation, and make out like that's the fault of the unwanted? Jordan has 3m Palestinians, btw. There are hundreds of thousands more, in other neighboring countries. Turkey had over 3m Syrian refugees. How about maybe stop making ME refugees?
How many people did the Irgun and Lehi assassinate? Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@darrenallen8215 No, they don't, dumb dumb.
Motor vehicle traffic deaths
Number of deaths: 45,404
Deaths per 100,000 population: 13.7
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2021) via CDC WONDER
All firearm deaths
Number of deaths: 48,830
Deaths per 100,000 population: 14.7
Source: National Vital Statistics System – Mortality Data (2021) via CDC WONDER
And, like I said, that's with tons of vehicles constantly being used, unlike guns. Guns are, by far, the more dangerous item, and yet less regulated.
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@Aj-zr8dz Do you mean build coalitions by doing things like having your progressive PAC help get more progressives elected to congress, or do you mean build coalitions by calling other progressives "fakes", "sellouts", and "shills" over a tactics disagreement?
Ideas from discussions? AOC reaches 10m people (40x more than Jimmy) with every tweet, not to mention other social media. Her enemies even help spread her ideas all the time. Jimmy "trending" one thing, that barely anyone outside progressive circles is talking about, that has mostly just caused infighting, doesn't even compare. His retweets are mostly in the hundreds, and not over 2k. She had a single M4A tweet retweeted 70 fucking thousand times. That's worth more than 35 of Jimmy's few most shared tweets.
What the ... ? People Party pusher, Jimmy Dore, pitted himself against progressives in congress. In 2016, he also pushed the Green Party, even pushed Trump over Clinton. He obviously doesn't actually give a fuck about winning anytime soon. He's obviously fully prepared to start from scratch, and even willing to let a "maniacal fascist", and a psycho fascist cult, run the show, and let the Democrat party fail, for however many years it would take for a third party to even get one seat in congress, let alone enough seats to pass any of their own bills. And, yes, he pointed at how much popularity Bernie gained in a little amount of time, and tried arguing Stein could possibly do it too, and maybe even become president.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/jillstein/comments/4vwr6p/jimmy_dore_president_jill_stein_its_more_possible/
Trump has dropped more bombs than Obama, and Dubya killed more people than both of them combined. Who are these worse neolibs you speak of?
You say I'm misrepresenting him, etc., over and over, but don't really get into detailing how, exactly. It's funny, though, reading a Dore fan go on about "character assassination", while defending Dore.
Yeah, so let's trash the most progressive politicians in congress!!! That'll show those oligarchs!!!
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@Aj-zr8dz Yeah, Trump and Bush aren't libs of any kind. US intervention, and the refugee crises started in Yemen, Somalia, Phillipines, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan, before Obama. And, although Obama was responsible for the deaths of far too many people, himself, there's no indication there would have been a Syrian civil war, for him to get involved with, or a rise of ISIS, which started under Bush, if the region hadn't been destabalized by Bush.
https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/files/cow/imce/papers/2020/Displacement_Vine%20et%20al_Costs%20of%20War%202020%2009%2008.pdf
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@Aj-zr8dz And I, literally, listed Syria as starting under Obama. Don't know why you're rambling on about it. Seriously, you know that, even amongst fascists, one can be worse than another, right? Hitler was worse than Mussolini, by miles. They weren't samesies. Sure, the US has been dancing near the edge of lake fascism for decades, but you have to be fucking insane to think being at the water's edge, even dipping a toe in, isn't worse by far, than being a little further away on the beach.
You didn't actually provide an example of neolibs getting away with more crimes against humanity, killing more people, or anything of the sort. A bunch of the stuff you listed for Obama started under Bush. You can't even show they're just as bad, or worse, when it comes to foreign policy, let alone national policy.
I don't know why you're even trying. Jimmy, himself, called Trump a "maniacal fascist". That's what he argued would be better for progressives than a neolib ... exactly because the "maniacal fascist" is worse. The idiot thought it would be a great idea to put a "maniacal fascist" in charge, to drive people left. He thought even the less fascist Republicans would jump on board and join the left to work against the "maniacal fascist". No. Didn't happen. Jimmy's 2016 "plan", if anyone followed it, turned Republicans even more fascist, caused a rise in hate crimes, caused a rise in right wing terrorism, caused stupid trade wars, caused multiple scotus seats to be filled, caused an incompetent covid response killing tens of thousands of fellow Americans, etc. If Dore convinced absolutely anyone in a 2016 swing state to vote Trump, to vote Stein, or even to not vote, then he is partly responsible for all that ... plus, dropping more bombs abroad.
For someone who did their best to help bring all that about, to act like they are the fucking King of progressives, and call anyone not agreeing with him "fakes", "sellouts", and "shills", is bullshit. He doesn't really know how politics works. As I said, he doesn't even grasp that corporate Dems being more willing to lose to Republicans than work with progressives, is actually an argument against his own plan. His plan partly hinges on corporate Dems rather working with progressives than losing to Republicans. It partly hinges on them not propagandizing a paralyzed house against progressives, and the whole thing turning out worse for progressives. It partly hinges on a totally unknown amount of outrage ... what if there is hardly any, except amongst progressives? And sustained outrage, 2 years from now ... what if it does off?
He's doing his best to trash the credibility of progressive politicians, who have done far more than him, all over a tactics disagreement, and a plan that isn't a completely risk free slam dunk.
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@TylerMcConnell 😂 Dumpty committed crimes for all to see.
60+ court cases tossed, because there wasn't even enough evidence to start a trial. But, MAGA all whine anyway, about not getting a day in court, but ...
Every single insurrectionist court case, was a chance for an army of Republican lawyers to swoop in, provide evidence the election was rigged, and that those people were the ones trying to save democracy. Nothing but a bunch of guilty verdicts.
Every single voting machine defamation case, a chance for an army of Republican lawyers to swoop in, provide the evidence the machines were rigged, and that those people weren't lying. Nothing, even FOX, with their own army of lawyers, simply coughed up hundreds of millions of dollars.
Every single RICO defendant case, a chance for an army of Republican lawyers to swoop in, provide all the evidence that the election was rigged, and that all these people were the ones trying to save democracy. Nothing but people flipping, pleading guilty, or trying to dodge finally getting the big day in court, as long as possible.
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There's a difference between Dore's claimed positions and what he actually does.
He promoted Trump as the better option in 2016, which could only benefit Trump. He clearly didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, and didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would leads to progressives "for sure" taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda rather than follow him into all out fascism (wrong), and he claimed Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). All of that only benefited the far right.
During the 2020 primaries, he backed Tulsi over Bernie, which didn't benefit the most progressive candidate and didn't benefit M4A.
During the 2020 general, he ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, which could only benefit Trump, the far right.
AOC, meanwhile, campaigned for Bernie, and backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives with her platform and PAC. She helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, as did the Justice Dems. Adding enough yes votes is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Because they didn't support his half baked plan to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, Dore slandered people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. That is of no benefit to progressives and benefits the far right.
After spending weeks slandering people over a disagreement over a secondary tactic, making out like they aren't allies, he turns around and promotes far right ancap Boogaloos, who basically disagree on all economics, are the complete economic opposites to socialists, as potential allies, because they agree on a few anti-authoritarian issues. And, I have to say, for someone his age to be shocked and amazed that ancappers agree on some anti-authoritarian issues with ansocs, means he is a complete ignoramus. That only benefits the far right, and is how you wind up on the wrong end of a Night of the Long Knives.
He doesn't simply go on Tucker. He largely agrees with Tucker, and doesn't challenge him. That only benefits Tucker and the far right.
AOC and Bernie were just campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A, trying hard to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Dore abandoned Nina, abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, and slandered AOC and Bernie with a video stating they both abandoned M4A. In fact, it was Dore and M4A marchers that abandoned Nina, who was having rallies with AOC, both promoting M4A, that same day. Abandoning Nina, and abandoning adding more votes to congress, is of no benefit to progressives.
After weeks of making out like just getting a vote on an important progressive policy would be great, making out like getting a list of no voters on an important progressive policy would be great ... progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting, it passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also got a senate vote ... Dore and his knobs turn around and make out like a vote and list of no voters is useless, and just keep bitchimg about, and slandering, those who got it to stay in for a round of voting, and who voted for it. He, and his knobs, proved they're nothing but a bunch of pathetic useless hypocrites, that are of no benefit to progressives.
The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The 4 year old Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC, who has been at it 2 years, helped replace a few more corporate Dems. Dore promotes a third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, that hasn't won the most popular progressive third party a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. Zero seats, zero bills introduced, zero amendments, and zero votes on even a single bill, for what? For some fantasy that a third party candidate, like Kyrsten Sinema was, is going to be perfectly perfect and incorruptible?
And, there's more. Dore is a joke.
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Dore and Greenwald ... Them ranting about "free speech" is ridiculous. There's no such thing as "free speech" on someone else's private property. You don't have a right to be on their private property, to begin with, so you never had a right to be on their private property spewing whatever you want. Glenn whining about "free speech" and editors asking for editorial rewrites (literally part of the job of editors, since the dawn of publishing) is outright moronic. If Dore was an actual leftist, he should be using the absence of free speech on social media to promote public ownership, instead of just agreeing with Tucker over the poor treatment of Trump (incitement isn't even protected speech in a public forum, but Dore didn't argue Trump did anything wrong).
Dlore and Mate ... Aaron is being an idiot. There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2012. There have been dozens of UN investigations, that didn't assign blame, that had zero dissenting opinions. There have been dozens of follow up, blame assigning, investigations, that assigned blame to Syria, that had zero dissenting opinions. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple NGO witnesses, independent investigations, legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, etc. In 2018, alone, there was a chemical weapon attack, just the month before the one Aaron whines about. It had an investigation, that didn't assign blame, with zero dissenting opinions. It had a follow up, blame assigning investigation, that assigned blame to Syria, with zero dissenting opinions. Then there's the investigation Aaron is going on about ... Israel, the US, the UK, and France, had all started bombing before inspectors even made it to the sites. The final report, which didn't assign blame, wasn't released until almost a year later. The report had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria, and 2 dissenting opinions doesn't even debunk that single investigation, let alone all the previous chemical weapons uses, including the one just the month before, that could have been used as grounds for war crimes violations. Aaron's Syrian "scandal" is much ado about nothing.
They're all loons.
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@FM-ln2sb How would letting Trump/Reps win be the better option? Trump supports Israel, has called for a pledge of allegiance to Israel for immigrants, has stated he wants to reinstate and expand his Muslim ban, would let Russia do to Ukraine what Israel is doing to Palestine, Reps pass laws legalizing running over protesters, Trump has wanted to categorize protesters (BLM) as terrorists, etc.
There's no election quick fix. Even if you magically elected a third party candidate, there's so much Israel support in congress, that they can pass whatever Israel aid they want, and have the numbers to override any presidential veto. It's going to take continued public pressure, to xhange things, and Dems are more responsive to public pressure.
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@nisa3695 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@sondorp Nothing you're saying addresses what I said. The failure of right wing "trickle down" is that it actually trickles up, which is exactly what would end up happening, if giant corporations don't pay into the UBI. Even Yang's words say giant corporations should be paying for it. Everytime he compared his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by corporations, he was saying giant corporations should be paying for it. You're arguing against Yang's own words.
His problem was that a VAT doesn't do that. He even linked to a pass through rate on his VAT page, that he either didn't grasp or lied about, which actually showed that consumers were paying the entire VAT.
Especially in his heavily automated future, you can't have ever increasing numbers of unemployed consumers paying for the UBI. It's the corporations with the robots that need to give money to the public, to buy crap back from them. If you just keep feeding money into automated corporations, that doesn't make it back to the public, that's unsustainable.
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@X7Excalibur Did I say a theocracy was progressive? Do they have freedom of religion? No and no.
The West carved up a more moderate Muslim empire, and handed bits of it to religious extremists. They've backed coups against more moderate, and more democratic, Muslim governments and politicians, who happened to also lean a bit to the left economically (nationalizing oil, voting against a pipeline, or whatnot). They backed religious extremists to take over Afghanistan. They've backed theocratic Saudi as it has spread its ultra-conservative brand of Islam around the world. Then they turn around and bitch and whine about Muslims being too extreme or conservative, and go blow up hundreds of thousands of them. It's insane. And, someone like Harris is an apologist for US interventions, and blames it all on the religion. He's an idiot. He has sounded like an ISIS leader, claiming there is a one true version of Islam, and those who don't follow that aren't "real" Muslims.
Turkey is the last remnant of the Ottoman Empire, not Saudi. Homosexuality has always been legal in Turkey, because it was made legal in the Ottoman Empire, at a time when many Western nations still considered it illegal, or considered it a mental disorder. European women travelling in the Ottoman Empire had reported that they thought women there had more rights than in Europe. Today, women in Turkey protest against similar stuff as American women, when conservatives are in power. Of all the Abrahamic religions, Islam allowed for freedom of religion, first. They also used to be leaders in math and science. The west has helped many Muslim nations go backwards, rather than forwards. In some cases, helped them become worse than ever before. That's partly why there are Muslims who aren't "normal" 2021 people.
And, no, that's not blaming the west for creating extremists, from scratch. But, if you install extremists, support extremists, support the spread of extremism, remove moderates, suppress moderates, etc., then you've helped create a more extremist environment.
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@theboss4359 Why lie? She started calling for ceasefire immediately, and hasn't stopped.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over ...
Nov 15, 2023
AOC blasts Biden admin for blocking UN Gaza cease-fire resolution
Dec 11, 2023
AOC says no one should be 'tossed out of public discourse' for accusing Israel ...
Jan 29, 2024
AOC Urges Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the Union
Feb 29, 2024
AOC decries 'unfolding genocide' in Gaza, urges halting weapons to Israel
Mar 22, 2024
Historic Number of Democratic Reps Vote Against Unconditional Aid to ...
Apr 20, 2024
Ocasio-Cortez Supports Doral Mayor's 'Very Important' Ceasefire Resolution
May 15, 2024
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@theboss4359 Why lie? She started calling for ceasefire immediately, and hasn't stopped.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over ...
Nov 15, 2023
AOC blasts Biden admin for blocking UN Gaza cease-fire resolution
Dec 11, 2023
AOC says no one should be 'tossed out of public discourse' for accusing Israel ...
Jan 29, 2024
AOC Urges Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the Union
Feb 29, 2024
AOC decries 'unfolding genocide' in Gaza, urges halting weapons to Israel
Mar 22, 2024
Historic Number of Democratic Reps Vote Against Unconditional Aid to ...
Apr 20, 2024
Ocasio-Cortez Supports Doral Mayor's 'Very Important' Ceasefire Resolution
May 15, 2024
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@theboss4359 Why lie? She started calling for ceasefire immediately, and hasn't stopped.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over ...
Nov 15, 2023
AOC blasts Biden admin for blocking UN Gaza cease-fire resolution
Dec 11, 2023
AOC says no one should be 'tossed out of public discourse' for accusing IL ...
Jan 29, 2024
AOC Urges Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the Union
Feb 29, 2024
AOC decries 'unfolding gncide' in Gaza, urges halting weapons to IL
Mar 22, 2024
Historic Number of Democratic Reps Vote Against Unconditional Aid to ...
Apr 20, 2024
Ocasio-Cortez Supports Doral Mayor's 'Very Important' Ceasefire Resolution
May 15, 2024
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@theboss4359 Why so dishonest? She started calling for ceasefire immediately, and hasn't stopped.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over ...
Nov 15, 2023
AOC blasts Biden admin for blocking UN Gaza cease-fire resolution
Dec 11, 2023
AOC says no one should be 'tossed out of public discourse' for accusing IL ...
Jan 29, 2024
AOC Urges Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the Union
Feb 29, 2024
AOC decries 'unfolding gncide' in Gaza, urges halting weapons to IL
Mar 22, 2024
Historic Number of Democratic Reps Vote Against Unconditional Aid to ...
Apr 20, 2024
Ocasio-Cortez Supports Doral Mayor's 'Very Important' Ceasefire Resolution
May 15, 2024
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@theboss4359 She started calling for ceasefire immediately, and hasn't stopped.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gz
Oct 16, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gz ceasefire over ...
Nov 15, 2023
AOC blasts Biden admin for blocking UN Gz cease-fire resolution
Dec 11, 2023
AOC says no one should be 'tossed out of public discourse' for accusing IL ...
Jan 29, 2024
AOC Urges Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the Union
Feb 29, 2024
AOC decries 'unfolding gncide' in Gz, urges halting weapons to IL
Mar 22, 2024
Historic Number of Democratic Reps Vote Against Unconditional Aid to ...
Apr 20, 2024
Ocasio-Cortez Supports Doral Mayor's 'Very Important' Ceasefire Resolution
May 15, 2024
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@theboss4359 She started calling for ceasefire immediately, and hasn't stopped.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gz
Oct 16, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gz ceasefire over ...
Nov 15, 2023
AOC blsts Biden admin for blocking UN Gz cease-fire resolution
Dec 11, 2023
AOC says no one should be 'tossed out of public discourse' for accusing IL ...
Jan 29, 2024
AOC Urges Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the Union
Feb 29, 2024
AOC decries 'unfolding gncide' in Gz, urges halting weapons to IL
Mar 22, 2024
Historic Number of Democratic Reps Vote Against Unconditional Aid to ...
Apr 20, 2024
Ocasio-Cortez Supports Doral Mayor's 'Very Important' Ceasefire Resolution
May 15, 2024
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@theboss4359 "rather than pushing for an end to g-word" Soooo, continuously calling for a ceasefire, for 7 months, isn't doing that? Her, and others, putting forward bills, and writing letters to the man, isn't doing that? Seems like you're expecting the impossible, or calling it nothing.
If you think a third party can win, you're delusional. If you think Trump is better, you're insane.
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@kennybachman35 Ummm, that would be because those are the English words, not the Hebrew words, Ibhri and Yisrael.
Old English Israel, "the Jewish people, the Hebrew nation," from Latin Israel, from Greek, from Hebrew yisra'el "he that striveth with God"
late Old English, from Old French Ebreu, from Latin Hebraeus, from Greek Hebraios, from Aramaic (Semitic) 'ebhrai, corresponding to Hebrew 'ibhri "an Israelite."
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@greenith Rofl. The countries you're thinking of have higher minimum wages or higher unionization effectively raising minimum wages, higher marginal tax rates, and numerous other methods to make corporations and the rich pay in. Pretty sure it's not a regressive consumption tax that's the main cause of lowering inequality. I'm also pretty sure none have what I just said would cause the increased inequality, which wasn't the VAT.
If you make Amazon an extra $60+b a year, by not having them pay into the dividend, then that would make Bezos an extra $6+b a year, as 10+% owner. He could buy a brand new $1b yacht, every single year, paying $100m in VAT, and still be in the plus $5.9+b a year ... on top of the ridiculous amounts he's already making.
Meh, only extremely small businesses are exempt from requiring to register and charge a VAT. They also can't reclaim their input VAT, if they don't choose to register. If you're a dog walker, who doesn't have to buy supplies, you can keep your prices down. If you're selling crafts, and constantly buying supplies, you might be better off registering or including in your price anyway.
Again, it's really not the businesses choosing to pass the tax along. That is what the VAT itself is designed to do. It is effectively a sales tax. Do you fully grasp that? You don't seem to.
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@greenith Because it's not the VAT alone that I said would increase sales and inequality. It's the $3t dividend being spent, that a VAT wouldn't have businesses paying into. Giant corporations would get the benefit of the dividend being spent, without having to pay into it. Bezos would then make billions extra a year, far more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT.
You're arguing against the EU taxation and customs union, representing 28 countries, outright telling you that a VAT is an indirect tax, that it isn't a cost on businesses, exactly to avoid double taxation (Which would be fucking worse! It's not something to be arguing for.).
A tax collector getting fined for not collecting and turning over taxes paid by someone else doesn't magically make them the tax payer. And, your attempt to try and turn a direct income tax into an indirect tax on the employer is nonsensical. You might as well argue the employer is indirectly paying for the employee's rent, groceries ... everything. Oh, but then consumers are paying the employer ... it's a double indirect tax on consumers! Oh, but then employers are paying the consumers ... it's a triple indirect tax on employers! That's an infinite regression argument. Who the tax is intending to tax is what makes it direct or indirect. An income tax is intending to tax the income holder. A VAT is intending to tax consumers, just as a sales tax intends to do.
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@greenith BS to me? No. BS, period ... objectively and factually false.
Using the infinite loop of money circulation to make complete bullshit redefinitions of direct and indirect taxation ... the complete opposite of objective reality.
Using bullshit math, to make it look like a business would pay taxes, even if you stuck to the VAT formula, when it was just you failing at basic math.
Repeatedly implying a VAT is a cost on businesses being passed along, which is complete bullshit ... the complete opposite of objective reality.
Making bullshit strawman arguments, due to reading comprehension problems (Seriously, I made a seperate point, in its own post, about the result of businesses not paying into the VAT, when combined with the dividend, leading to inequality and more than repaying the super rich for any of their personal VAT purchases. Not once, but twice after that, did I have to restate that it wasn't the VAT, alone, that I said would cause inequality).
I've probably forgot some.
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@greenith Rofl, whether I'm for or against this tax or that tax is irrelevant to the facts, that you can't seem to grasp, or are going out of your way to dance around. It really cracked me up when you called reality "ideology", while arguing against it like a devout cultist. You don't simply have a different "opinion", dumbass, and this was never about "opinion". Yang is, objectively, bad at VAT math, just as you are. And yes, I will start calling people dumbasses, when they prove themselves to be dumbasses. You are, objectively, a dumbass.
Objective facts (not subjective opinions) that haven't changed due to your irrelevant deflections or outright bullshit: by intentional design a VAT is not attempting to be a tax on businesses; a VAT is outright trying not to be a tax on businesses to avoid double taxation; a VAT is therefore not a cost on businesses being passed along; a VAT is instead a sales tax on the final consumer only collected in stages; by definition a VAT is an indirect tax; VAT pass through rate studies also show a 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services proving businesses aren't voluntarily eating the tax by keeping prices down; meaning anyone promoting a tax that's designed to NOT tax businesses as a way to tax businesses is completely clueless or completely dishonest (or a mixture, I guess, as you've proved to be both).
Last fun fact, for you: All the government links I provided, that you can't grasp, and argued against reality with, were purely for your benefit. I've already had a ton of experience with a VAT, and learned all about it long ago. I'm Canadian. I was already an adult when the VAT/GST was introduced 30 years ago. I witnessed the effects of it being implemented. I also operated a VAT registered business and filled out VAT returns for years. You, ignoring links to educate yourself on the VAT, and pretending like you could educate me on it was priceless. Thanks for the laughs.
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@greenith I'm not against UBI, in general. Never said I was. I'm against a stupid way to pay for UBI, that doesn't have corporations paying into the dividend, resulting in them, and their owners, only getting the benefit of it being spent. The top 3000 US corporations are already hoarding $2.7t. If you're going to have a UBI, in the US, that's what should pay for it, getting the money circulating again, instead of speeding up the flow of money to the hoard.
It's the millionaires and billionaires who get paid in stocks, who would still be gaming the system, if you don't have their businesses paying a large share of the dividend. I'm just using math. Amazon's share of consumer spending is 2.3% and growing. $3t in increased consumer spending would make them an extra $60+b a year. Walmart's share of US consumer spending is 2.8%. They'd make almost $85b extra a year. The stuff you mention would be in the other 95% of spending.
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@stevenshumate3430 McConnell blocking Democrat bills that come from the house, looks good in the eyes of Republicans. Corporate Dems could use progressives paralyzing the house to blame them for no new covid relief, and not being able to pass anything in the platform that other Democrats just voted for, making them look bad in the eyes of other Democrats, and Republicans.
Jimmy has also argued that corporate Dems would rather work with Republicans than progressives. That's actually an argument against his own plan, not for it. If true, Pelosi could make a quiet deal with Republicans, in exchange for enough of them abstaining, or being absent, to lower the threshold needed to win, dodging the house being paralyzed, and making progressives look stupid.
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Doesn't matter if they were confused, or not. If someone who doesn't know me calls me an "asshole", and throws me in with all other real "assholes", I don't then say, "Yes, I'm an asshole...btw, here is the new definition of asshole.", I say "I'm not that. I'm such and such, instead.", which is what Huxley did, and not what more modern A-theists did.
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@truthache8560 Blah, blah. Both parties, exact same rules. You're the one trying to dance around that fact. Also, Biden said she'd be his VP again, all the way back in Jan 2022. Anyone who didn't know they were voting for her as his backup, would have to be a maroon, like you.
Over 500k preventable American dths, was better? That's a pretty disgusting thing to say.
Ironic, considering the fact that DT's businesses have routinely failed, while she was actually quite successful as a prosecutor.
Just being a friend of someone rich isn't the issue, dmwt. The issue was that they were laughing at the concept of Musk firing people for even thinking about striking or unionizing. That was a potential president, letting all the big business owners know he's on their side, and opposed to labor laws.
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@jackaljade If you don't know that a VP is the backup, then you're about as sharp as a spoon. It's literally in their job description, dingus.
Nope. You still haven't answered how Ford got the nomination. You just can't bring yourself to acknowledge the fact that enough delegates (delegates that he didn't win in the primaries) were convinced to switch to him. That's how a contested convention works, when nobody has enough delegates to become the nominee, after the primaries. The delegates become free to back whoever they want. Both parties, same rules.
JB dropped out, and his delegates were up for grabs. Marianne, and anyone else who wanted to jump in the race for that matter, had a chance to convince 300 delegates to back them, before the deadline. Marianne, and nobody else, did that. Kamala did.
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In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. He also predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them and thought it was a great idea, and "moral" colonialism. Colonizers are never not the aggressors when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialism, the Zionists formed terrorist groups, like the Irgun and Lehi, who bombed many Palestinian markets, as well as other public places, killing many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. To this day, Israelis still celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated. Netanyahu also promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a possible peace. Netanyahu wants this. He wants an excuse to keep killing and expanding.
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Kyle, Jimmy is horrible at strategy. He overestimates the benefits and underestimates the risks, of certain actions.
Nobody supporting his "plan" seem to think there are any risks involved. Jimmy has lied about it being impossible for McCarthy to win. It's not. He ignores the possibility that corporate Dems might just let progressives paralyze the house, and then blame progressives for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., during a pandemic. He claims Pelosi would rather work with Republicans than progressives, and you've called her the Queen of backroom deals, but neither of you are considering she could just make Republicans an offer, and give them something in exchange for enough of them to be absent or abstain that it lowers the threshold needed to win and avoids a house shutdown.
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@Lashkor Yes, I did. It was garbage. Even in one of his own responses to criticisms, he touched on the possibility that morality could simply be very strong likes/dislikes, but then dropped it quickly. Chess is an analogy to laws, dumb dumb, not morality. It has rules to follow, but the rules were created based on the rulemaker's subjective wishes. Once you've created a law, it's pretty easy to tell, objectively, if you're breaking it, or not. No new insight, there. Morality is above lawmaking. Laws can be considered immoral.
Rofl! Yeah, it's pretty simple to tell, since they don't do anything they aren't programmed to do, and there's zero indication they ever will.
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@alexb8878 There came a point when Native Americans wanted to push the white man back into the sea. It wasn't simply because he was white, dumb dumb. It was because they were colonizers and ethnic cleansers ...
Ze'ev Jabotinsky, Iron Wall, 1923 ...
"Voluntary Agreement Not Possible.
There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.
My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.
The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage."
"Arabs Not Fools
This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies.
To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system.
All Natives Resist Colonists
There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised.
That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel.""
"Colonisation carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab.
Colonisation can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed."
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@Florida-Plant-Mom He did the exact same things the Republican political machine always does ... give tax breaks to the rich. He didn't shake things up, in the least, aside from constantly spewing chaotic and divisive nonsense. He ended zero wars. He dropped more bombs per year than Obama. Averaged per year, he had more border crossings than Obama. He did the exact same thing, in 2016, baselessly claiming he actually won the popular vote, and that the election was rigged, but his own election integrity commission found nadda, so it quietly shut down. He, and Republicans, were fine with 6 investigations into his political opponent, in 2016, and running on "Lock her up!", and they would have, if they could have found anything to charge her with. Like the Republican political machine, before, he put profits over people, leaving the US with 3x the COVID deaths per capita than Canada, 10x the COVID deaths per capita than Australia's conservative party did. He didn't shake a thing, and brought in more swamp creatures, than ever before.
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@J-C.Denton No, dimwit. You're still having reading comprehension problems. The point was that movies with a narrow target audience, will mostly only be watched, and generally liked by that target audience. Whether they're actually good, or not, is another matter.
Didn't say it was the only option, dumb dumb. Just how severe are your reading comprehension problems? Do you know what "likely" means? Just the views on the Daily Wire YouTube release are multiple times that of your torrent numbers. The Daily Wire website and movie site with a Daily Wire membership, would increase that multiple times more. Seriously, if you don't think the majority of its audience has been Daily Wire fans, then you're a complete and utter moron. And you don't even know who that torrent audience is. They could also be mostly Daily Wire fans, who don't want to pay for memberships.
Do you work for Shapiro, or something?
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@klauskinski5969 So, Dore and Aaron have clearly explained the fact that the report they kept blathering about didn't actually assign blame, as per Russian UN demands on every first round investigation? They clearly explained that the investigation didn't even start until after the US, and others, had already bombed Syria? They clearly explained the fact that the no fault final report didn't even come out until almost a year after the bombings? Meaning, it's a blatantly obvious fact that the report was never used by anyone as grounds to bomb Syria.
They've clearly explained the fact that there have been several of these no fault finding investigations, with zero dissenting opinions, since 2013? They've clearly explained the fact that there have also been several fault finding follow up investigations, with zero dissenting opinions, most finding fault with Syria, since 2013? They've clearly explained that, just the month before the incident they keep blathering about, there was another chemical weapons attack, which went through both rounds of investigations, with zero dissenting opinions, and found fault with Syria?
You know it's possible to both not support the US, and others, unilaterally deciding to bomb whoever they want, as well as accept the fact that the Syrian government is complete shit, and has committed numerous human rights abuses, including using chemical weapons on its own citizens? Dore and Aaron seem to make out like it has to be one, or the other. If you don't agree with them, that Syria did no wrong, then you're a US government shill, or something.
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@klauskinski5969 1. What's wrong?
2. "Honest" = reports you like, I take it. Dozens of reports, with zero dissenting opinions, have shown Syria to have been using chemical weapons, since 2013, including an attack just the month before the one Dore and Aaron keep blathering about.
3. Aaron wasn't on the ground, sniffing clothes, at the time. There were, however, other reporters who were on the ground, at the time, who did smell chlorine. Yes, I think inhumane dictators can do all kinds of "retarded" shit. Why do you have so much faith that inhumane dictators are very smart and sane?
4. You're dodging that, going on and on, raging, about a report that was completely irrelevant to the decision to bomb, is idiotic. And, like I said, you can both accept that Syria commits terrible human rights abuses, including using chemical weapons, and still be against the US unilaterally bombing other countries.
5. No, it's blatantly obvious that you have a bias against dozens of reports, that had zero dissenting opinions, judging them "honest" based on your desired outcome. I've addressed exactly what they have talked about. You're the one creating some strawman, that I didn't argue.
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@klauskinski5969 1. That doesn't clarify what you're talking about.
2. No. UN inspectors never said Saddam had nuclear weapons, and I didn't say to take the US' word for anything. You're either ignorant, or dishonest ... quite possibly both.
3. It was 9 days after the incident, ffs. Just how long do you think chlorine sticks around in the air for? Non white doctors, and rescue crews, were in there before that.
Rofl. History has shown plenty of dictators doing stupid or insane things, and plenty of things that get them bombed, or attacked.
4. You have severe reading comprehension problems, on top of being ignorant. I didn't take Dore and Mate's positions. They're the ones that keep rambling on about a specific report, as if it affected anyone's decision making. It didn't. It's a nothingburger they keep going on and on about. That was what I said from the start, so have no idea how it magically turns into a contradiction.
5. UN inspectors didn't support the US' claim that Saddam still had WMDs, dimwit. Dissenting opinions, in that case, would have said there were WMDs. You seem to know nothing about what happened, leading up to the war with Iraq. Look at who is funding? The UN was funding inspections. They do not have a history of supporting the US' other WMD claims, and Russia (Assad supporter) could veto whatever it wanted (and did veto a bunch of proposals). The multiple incidents that went through two rounds of investigations is because even Russia accepted the conclusions of the first round.
"Risk publicly their life"?! Rofl!!! Who has been killed, or even harmed, for having a dissenting opinion, or endlessly blathering support for dissenting opinions? You're a loon.
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@GodsSon987 Well, that video of his, that Dore mentioned, which was being passed around, was called "Hillary Presidency Worse For Progressives & America Than Trump". He did promote Trump as the better option. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming progressives would "for sure" take the house (nope) and senate (nope), in 2018, and the presidency (nope), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda (nope) instead of following him into outright fascism (they did). In a follow up debate with Sam, on the topic, Dore also claimed that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (nope).
Dore didn't get anything right.
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@CoolhandLukeSkywalkr Jews are Iraqis, according to their book. They're Canaanites, themselves, according to archaeology, and never wiped out other Canaanites (Palestinians, Lebanese), as well as no evidence the vast majority of the population ever left (the majority stayed and converted to Islam). You should bone up on DNA tests done in the area.
If tens of millions of Americans, with British ancestry, decided they wanted to move back, after 2000 years, should they be considered native, and given half of England?
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@officialVertYT Fix what, exactly? The inflation rate has been largely fixed. Wages have been outpacing the inflation rate since the first quarter of 2023. The jobless rate hit its lowest, since 1969, under Biden. By Trump's favorite measure, the stock market, it grown about as much as it did under Trump.
Republicans are either wrong or contradictory regarding everything about the brdr. Ober 90% of dr ugs come through points of entry. Over 80% of traffic kers are Americans. The undocumented commit crimes at half the rate of natural born citizens. Republicans, including Vance, Johnson, Tuberville, and others, think there is plenty of room to increase the birth rate and end abrtns. They think there are plenty enough jobs to let minors compete for full-time jobs, for less pay. Johnson even lamented over the loss of 60m workers to abrtn, and claimed they were needed to keep SS and Medicare afloat. So, more people are needed they say, but when more people show up, they say not those kind of people.
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@officialVertYT Fix what, exactly? The inflation rate has been largely fixed. Wages have been outpacing the inflation rate since the first quarter of 2023. The jobless rate hit its lowest, since 1969, under Biden. By Trump's favorite measure, the stock market, it grew about as much as it did under Trump.
Republicans are either wrong or contradictory regarding everything about the brdr. Over 90% of dr gs come through points of entry. Over 80% of traffic ers are Americans. The undocumented commit cr mes at half the rate of natural born citizens. Republicans, including Vance, Johnson, Tuberville, and others, think there is plenty of room to increase the birth rate and end ab rtions. They think there are plenty enough jobs to let children compete for full-time jobs, for less pay. Johnson even lamented over the loss of 60m workers to ab rtions, and claimed those workers were needed to keep SS and Medicare afloat. So, more people are needed they say, but when more people show up, they say not those kind of people.
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@officialVertYT Republicans are either wrong or contradictory regarding everything about the bord r. Over 90% of dr gs come through points of entry. Over 80% of traffic ers are Americans. The undocumented commit cr mes at half the rate of natural born citizens. Republicans, including Vance, Johnson, Tuberville, and others, think there is plenty of room to increase the birth rate and end ab rtions. They think there are plenty enough jobs to let children compete for full-time jobs, for less pay. Johnson even lamented over the loss of 60m workers to ab rtions, and claimed those workers were needed to keep SS and Medicare afloat. So, more people are needed they say, but when more people show up, they say not those kind of people.
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@officialVertYT Republicans are either wrong or contradictory regarding everything about the Southern b. Over 90% of dr gs come through points of entry. Over 80% of traffic ers are Americans. The undoc mented commit cr mes at half the rate of natural born citizens. Republicans, including Vance, Johnson, Tuberville, and others, think there is plenty of room to increase the birth rate and end ab rtions. They think there are plenty enough jobs to let children compete for full-time jobs, for less pay. Johnson even lamented over the loss of 60m workers to ab rtions, and claimed those workers were needed to keep SS and Medicare afloat. So, more people are needed they say, but when more people show up, they say not those kind of people.
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@officialVertYT Republicans are either wrong or contradictory regarding everything about the Southern b. Over 90% of dr gs come through points of entry. Over 80% of traffic ers are Americans. The undoc mented commit cr mes at half the rate of nat brn cit. Republicans, including Vance, Johnson, Tuberville, and others, think there is plenty of room to increase the birth rate and end ab rtions. They think there are plenty enough jobs to let chldrn compete for full-time jobs, for less pay. Johnson even lamented over the loss of 60m workers to ab rtions, and claimed those workers were needed to keep SS and Medicare afloat. So, more people are needed they say, but when more people show up, they say not those kind of people.
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@officialVertYT Republicans are either wrong or contr dictory regarding everything about the Southern b. Over 90% of dr gs come through points of entry. Over 80% of traffic ers are Americans. The undoc mented commit cr mes at half the rate of nat brn cit. Republicans, including Vance, Johnson, Tuberville, and others, think there is plenty of room to increase the birth rate and end ab rtions. They think there are plenty enough jobs to let chldrn compete for full-time jobs, for less pay. Johnson even lamented over the loss of 60m workers to ab rtions, and claimed those workers were needed to keep SS and Medicare afloat. So, more people are needed they say, but when more people show up, they say not those kind of people.
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@reader-mx9ss You are objectively the aggressors, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Azov didn't exist, before Russia invaded in 2014. They're a tiny fraction of the entire military. The far right politicians, they're aligned with, got 2% of the vote, and no seats in parliament. The US is far more fascist, by those numbers, considering the support for Trump. The US and UK conscripted, trained, and armed, every single fighting age KKK and BUF member, to go fight invading fascists, during WWII. Russia is now the invading fascists.
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@spectralthundr9525 People know that things aren't completely "free". "Free" health care is the same as "free" roads and bridges. Taxes pay for it, but it doesn't cost the individual at time of use. Taxes pay for firemen, but at the time of the fire, the individual doesn't have to pay for the firemen to save their house and family. Taxes pay for policemen, but at the time of a robbery the individual doesn't have to pay the cop. Etc.
Corporations and the rich benefit most from infrastructure, educated workers, safe trade lanes, public security, etc., but don't want to pay what is effectively a consumption tax. If Apple ships a million phones over from China, and I buy one, they have benefited a million times more than me, from safe shipping lanes. If transport trucks are moving a million goods a day, and I buy 10 goods a day, they are benefiting 100k x more than me from the road. If a transport drives 5x more than the average car, they are also using the roads 5x more. If my education makes me 100k a year, but what I do earns them a million a year, then they're benefiting 10 x more from my education. Etc. Yet, some of those fuckers pay no taxes. They're the ones getting free stuff.
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@spectralthundr9525 Corruption definitely needs to be addressed, but there's still an inherent flaw in the consumers paying for the full cost of labourer wages, the consumers paying the full cost of materials, the consumers paying the full cost of rent, the consumer paying the full cost of taxes, etc. In the end, as long as they're making a profit, the producer has zero cost and pure benefit, while the consumer has all the cost and some benefit. Small businesses might be a bit different, where the producer is the labourer, and should maybe get full labour costs, and it might have been okay for when all businesses were relatively small. But, once you start getting more and more higher ups, that do less and less work, for more and more money, things get really out of whack. It's no different than a old douchebag nobility getting all kinds of income, just for owning property, and labourers working that property for them. Having super companies, giant corporations, monopolies, funneling most of the money to the top, isn't a whole lot different than the "good" ol' days of absolute monarchies holding a monopoly on land. The whole point of creating a government of the people, for the people, was supposed to be to put an end to that kind of thing.
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@spectralthundr9525 We started with small government and little interference in economics, after ditching monarchies. Charity schools and hospitals left most of the poor uneducated and with little health care. Zero environmental regulations had companies polluting and poisoning the environment. No law or government, on the Western frontiers, quickly devolved into feudalism. No protection of rights led to persecution, discrimination, and worse. Deregulations, in the past decades, have led to greater monopolies. Things have gone backward, since deregulations and giant tax cuts, to wealth disparity levels on par with the Gilded Age. If that's the past "greatness", politicians are aiming for, it kinda sucked for the vast majority of the population, and ended with labour riots and a great depression.
Anyone who thinks capitalism doesn't need any regulations is just clueless about history. As I said, the Western frontier, and an ancap environment, devolved into feudalism. Feudalism is private property owners, with private armies, resolving disputes privately, with no oversight above those private property owners. An absolute monarchy is one of those private property owners monopolizing all the land within certain borders. They set rules for living on their private property. They set rents for living on their private property. They use their private armies to enforce those rules and rents. Then they also settle disputes privately with neighbouring monopolizers. Zero oversight above the private property owners. The whole point of a government of the people, for the people, was to end monopolization. If it's not doing, at least that, then there's no real point to it. Cattle barons were a problem into the 20th century, and only the law and military moving in stopped them. If you want capitalism, it needs to be highly regulated to work. Or else, don't do capitalism. The current corporate model, of ever increasing profits, is unsustainable. It's just impossible to keep having most of the money funnel to the top. That is what will bankrupt countries, not their social programs. There weren't a ton of social programs in the early 1900s. The government even tried helping with union busting, and fought against spreading the wealth. Massive wealth disparity bankrupted the nation. If the consumers, at the bottom, have less and less to spend, it will eventually catch up with the producers, at the top. They'll only be able to cut costs for so long, before everything crashes.
Seriously, the consumer should bear half the costs, the producer should bear half the costs, since they're both benefiting from the transaction, and things should be marked up about 50%. Stories of 1000%+ markups is crazy ridiculous price gauging. Things we deem necessary for society to function should be non-profit. The government taking public funds and turning it into private profits, for necessary but privatized services is also nonsense.
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@bradadult2075 Those laws are also speech based, dumb dumb. If speech isn't harmful, as you implied, you should think those are "free speech". The reality is that there's no such thing as unlimited free speech, anywhere. The US has speech laws against harassing or threatening an individual, but they don't care if you constantly say things that amount to harassing or threatening an entire group of people.
You know the law? So, you know there's a dwelling clause? You can basically say you hate whoever you want, inside a private dwelling, with people you know. There's only a possible issue, when you go public. So, what's the point of going public with your hate, if you're not intending to incite others, or harass others?
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@tessa63627 I get it. Throwing 10m of the poorest Americans off Medicaid expansion is totally samesies as not doing that and possibly expanding Medicare. Being shortchanged $600 in covid relief is totally samesies as zero new covid relief, zero new unemployment extension, zero new student loan freeze, zero new eviction freeze, etc. Corporate friendly socially conservative judges are totally samesies as corporate friendly socially liberal judges. And progressives being in the minority party is totally samesies as them being in the majority party. I get that Dore and his knobs don't actually care about anything. All or nothing, or even less than nothing and going completely backwards, for them, because they don't care. They've also proved they don't actually care about simply getting a vote on something important. Weeks of making out like just getting a vote on something important is a big deal ... making out like getting a list of no voters would be huge and lead to big things ... then the $15 minimum gets a vote aaaannnd ... they keep bitching about those who voted for it, and do absolutely nothing with a list of no voters. Just a bunch of pathetic do nothings, who want everything handed to them.
I get it. Fighting in the media ... the only thing Dore does, btw ... doesn't count for shit. Spreading ideas to the masses doesn't count as fighting, or getting anywhere. Also, adding M4A yes votes to congress ... the only way to ever pass the bill, and the thing you'd still need to do after a guaranteed to fail show vote ... and removing more corporate Dems from congress, doesn't count as fighting. That reduces ftv down to having a guaranteed to fail show vote and then doing nothing. Entirely pointless, from the get go.
No, dumb dumb. You claimed they didn't fight for covid relief for the people, and claimed no covid relief bills were geared towards the people. Either the Heroes Act has zero to do with covid relief, or you were spewing complete bullshit, as Dore knobs tend to do.
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@Broly 456 If you don't have corporations paying into the dividend then they will only get the benefit of the dividend being spent. Amazon's share of US consumer spending is 2.3%, and rising. If even 2% of $3t is spent on Amazon, they'll make an extra $60b a year. Extra billions they can hoard or invest into automation, putting people out of work even faster. Bezos, being a 12% owner of Amazon, would make an extra $6+b a year, increasing and speeding up inequality.
If you won't have corporations paying into your dividend, you shouldn't compare it to one that is paid for by corporations, Alaska's. You shouldn't be claiming people will get paid for their data, get paid to be shown ads, or get paid for every automated truck mile. You, most definitely, shouldn't be promoting a tax designed to not tax businesses as a way to tax businesses. That's borderline gibberish.
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@mattolivier1835 Marx's ideal was for a stateless, non-authoritarian, direct democracy, form of sclsm. The complete opposite is an ultra-nationalistic, authoritarian, anti-democratic, form of crony capitalism. Republicans have always been riding the line, but MAGA made a full blown attempt to overthrow the democratic process, crossing the line. So, any MAGA Lauras, Laurens, Laras, ... Lauren Southern, Lara Trump, Laura Chen.
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@mattolivier1835 Marx's ideal was for a stateless, non-authoritarian, direct democracy form of sclsm. The complete opposite is an ultra-nationalistic, authoritarian, anti-democratic, form of crony capitalism. Republicans have always been riding the line, but MAGA made a full blown attempt to ovrthrw the democratic process, crossing the line. So, any MAGA Lauras, Laurens, Laras, ... Lauren Southern, Lara Trump, Laura Chen.
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@msbkaioken136 You're saying a lot of nothing. Here. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
The history of Likud is the history of Revisionist Zionism. In 1923, its founder, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, wrote The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
That same year, Ze'ev separated from the Haganah, and began training his own Betar militant youth group which, along with other Revisionists who broke from Haganah, formed the Irgun, and Lehi, terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Vichy Lebanon, and continued fighting against the British, throughout WWII. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the non-Jewish majority of Palestine, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and there were at least 711,000 non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the non-Jewish majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Those terrorist groups also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists, on the other hand, wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, then became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, wrote about, in a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories (OPT) are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... that millions more Palestinian refugees, don't have a right of return, to vote ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@johnb1567 It would all depend on their income and spending, dumbass. I already pointed out that all it would take for someone already getting $1000+ in assistance that doesn't stack with UBI is 10¢, and they're operating in the negative, dumb dumb.
People spend about 30% of their incomes on VATable goods and services, so it's actually more like anyone currently getting $970+ in unstackable assistance, which is full SSI disability benefits and SNAP, will be worse off.
But hey, as long as you're better off, and as long as people making hundreds of thousands a year are better off, and billionaires are better off, it's all good, right?
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@michaelrandall7667 I clearly made a comparison to another incident, where 2 people didn't see the shooter shoot anybody, ffs. You're rambling on about a bunch of irrelevant crap. Who cares if he was petting kittens all day, and nobody else could know what he was thinking, or planning to do. People heard shooting, come upon the scene of where someone was shot dead, someone is point towards Rittenhouse and saying he killed the guy, and they go after him. That puts those who then chase after someone they think is a murderer in the same position as the two who didn't actually see the church shooter shoot anybody.
Yeah, a random riot, every how many years? So much worse than people constantly shooting each other.
You seriously can't grasp how people can look at firearm mortality rates, and homicide mortality rates, see that red states, with looser guns, tend to have higher rates of both, and come to the conclusion it's a bad idea to let people run around with guns? You can't grasp how people can look at pretty much every other developed country, and come to the conclusion it's a bad idea to let people run around with guns? It's really not that hard, if you give it a try.
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@blogintonblakley2708 You invented that I used the words to describe the article, because you're completely dishonest. Much like you invented that I stated your article, specifically, wasn't peer reviewed. I made a comment about the database, in general, pointing out the fact that simply being in it is not an endorsement 'from the NIH", which you also lied about.
Problematic, biased, and even fraudulent studies, aren't actual evidence, ffs. I get that you think fraudulent studies are evidence, but you're wrong.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Max Miller considers this to be Judaism?
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism. All the Zionists, and their supporters, who are justifying slaughtering civilians, are the people who are truly justifying the Hamas attack, because they're wrong about who the actual aggressor is. Like Ben Shapiro, arguing it was okay for the Allies to intentionally target the most densely populated parts of Dresden, or drop bombs on Japanese cities ... If he insists, but Israel (colonizer, ethnic cleanser, occupier, ghetto operator, ethno-state) is actually Nazi Germany in the WWII analogy.
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@lotsofuwuenergy3983 You, clearly, tried to argue that someone else, using some other method of grouping things, would mean they're doing something other than math, when that's not at all the case. Whether someone describes changing amounts with modern Arabic mathematical notation, or describes changing amounts with the Babylonian sexagesimal number system, or some alien method, it's all still math. Whether they're measuring in km, or measuring in miles, or measuring in some alien method it's all still math. Whether you group things differently and count out 50 individual pennies, or count out 10 nickles, they represent the same amount. Whether you measure the speed of light by Earth year or Mars year, it's still traveling the same speed. So, I don't see how I could possibly be saying the same thing as you, when you think simply using different names, symbols, or grouping methods, is no longer math. Languages may be a social construct, and people can use all different kinds of languages and methods to communicate, but that doesn't make everything they're communicating a social construct. Saying a chemical reaction turns into a social construct, once we've discovered it, makes little, to no, sense. It's like saying that, if I've never seen snow, then discover it, snow is a social construct.
And, the first person I replied to, clearly, tried to argue that because a "3" doesn't exist in reality, without humans, what that "3" represents doesn't exist in reality, which also isn't the case. Again, that's like saying since letters forming the word "tree" don't exist in reality without humans, or this 🌲 symbol doesn't exist in reality without humans, then trees don't really exist. It's nonsensical. A water molecule would still have the same amount of atoms, what we call "three" or "3", whether we ever counted them, or ever developed names and numbers, or not. Math is based on objectively existing amounts. Even if people weren't around to label atoms grouped together as objects, there'd still be some massive amount of atoms in the universe, there'd still be a (1) universe, and the big bang would still have equated to no universe (0) + a universe (1) = a universe (1), and there'd still be an ever growing amount of time passing.
The two of you are basically arguing that absolutely everything in existence, that we know about, is a social construct, and supporting arguments you both used were nonsense. Maybe try explaining how absolutely everything is a social construct without the nonsensical arguments.
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@lotsofuwuenergy3983 You're the one that seems to have reading comprehension problems. I clearly stated that the other person I was replying to, when you jumped in, was the one arguing that what the "3" represents doesn't exist in reality, which is exactly what they did.
As for you, you jumped in to defend them. Maybe you didn't comprehend them, either, and the line of argument you were defending. Then you brought up grouping things differently, as if that was somehow relevant. Communicating things in some other way isn't relevant to whether what's being communicated is a social construct, or not. You also clearly argued that not having discovered atoms, somehow makes discovering and identifying atoms a social construct, which would apply to discovering absolutely everything ... including seeing snow for the first time makes snow a social construct, or seeing an ocean for the first time makes oceans a social construct, or cracking open a skull and discovering a brain for the first time makes brains a social construct ... you're line of argument makes absolutely everything a social construct.
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@lotsofuwuenergy3983 Look, they even said my logic would hold up if "three" existed in reality. But, the "tree" they agreed wasn't a social construct, doesn't exist in reality. The thing we've called "tree" is what exists in reality. So, if they agree a tree isn't a social construct, because the thing we've called "tree" actually exists, it's simply a matter of whether the amount we've called "three" actually exists. Do amounts of things actually exist, or not?
The two of you also seem to be disagreeing on science. If they agree that, because the thing we call "tree" actually exists, then it's not a social construct, that would apply to the things we call "atoms", "molecules", etc. ... all the things science describes.
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No, he doesn't. "Therefore there must be right and wrong answers, to questions of ..." artistic, musical, literary, theatrical, culinary, etc., etc., etc., ... likes and dislikes. Just because subjectivity objectively exists, doesn't mean there are objectively right and wrong answers. His conclusion is idiotic. The only difference is we subjectively care more about moral issues.
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@9xXGameOverXx9 Likud was founded by Irgun (bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, bombed the King David Hotel) and Lehi (considered worse than the Irgun, also assassins, also tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain) terrorists. Those terrists opposed partition for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all, while the Irgun and Lehi wanted to colonize all of Palestine. Those terrorists fought for colonialism, and committed massacres and assassinations, during the partition fighting. Israel merged those Irgun and Lehi terrorists into their military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, making them terrorist organizations. Israelis elected the leaders of the Irgun and Lehi as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Their Likud platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq. There's zero indication that Netanyahu isn't still trying to fulfill those promises.
Do you condemn Likud?
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@jds614 Absolute bullshit. Zionists knew exactly how things would play out, and they did it anyway. Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923 ...
"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.
My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.
The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage."
"This is equally true of the Arabs. Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies.
To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system."
Likud was founded by Irgun terrorist Menachem Begin, child murderer, Palestinian Jew murderer (because they didn't support Zionism) ... and Ariel Sharon, war criminal who massacred Palestinian villages. Their platform ...
"The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
All evidence points towards Netanyahu still aiming for that goal.
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How a UBI is paid for is important.
A VAT doesn't actually tax corporations like Amazon. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT be a tax on registered businesses, and only the smallest of businesses aren't required to register.
"a consumption tax because it is borne ultimately by the final consumer. It is not a charge on businesses."
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en
"Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption."
http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
Yang, and this channel apparently, are either clueless or lying, when they claim it will tax corporations. Amazon won't pay in a dime, and will only benefit from $3t in consumer spending. Their 2% share of US consumer spending would make them $60b extra a year. That would, in turn, make Bezos something like an extra $6b a year ... far more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT in a year. Yang would have money funneling to the top handful of people at an even faster rate than it is now. That's unsustainable. 30 years after Yanganomics will look worse than things do 30 years after Reaganomics. If there's going to be mass automation, an expanding economy doesn't guarantee more jobs for humans, and you're handing Amazon an extra $60b a year that they can invest in automating faster.
Yang likes to dishonestly compare his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which has corporations paying Alaskans a dividend for their resources. If Alaskans went out and spent every dime of their dividend on gasoline sold by those same oil companies, it would be a wash. The two would keep feeding each other. Not even close to the same thing Yang is proposing.
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So weird, that Trump, and all the Republicans who claimed the election was stolen, aren't jumping in to help him. These cases are the perfect opportunity to present all the evidence, that the election was stolen, and these people, and companies, sued for defamation, are innocent.
Likewise weird that, in the RICO case, they also aren't lining up to present all their evidence, and instead people are pleading guilty, and flipping.
Almost like they're all actually guilty, and have zero evidence.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@AmitArtz Some intellectually weak strawmanning there, Mr Physicist. Either that, or severe reading comprehension problems. I made no argument about whether something exists, or doesn't exist, whether it's "true", or isn't "true". I mean, the clue to my position, on that front, is in my profile name. You even claimed to formerly be one, and yet you don't seem to grasp what that position is. And, the only one who seems "triggered", is you.
It is you, who just argued that the word "god" can mean 8 billion different things, making it a gibberish word, not me. That makes you the one now arguing that simply using the word in a sentence makes the sentence incoherent. I, on the other hand, argued that claiming god is guiding him, wants him to do this, or wants him to do that, is incoherent.
The word I used was "unevidenced", which makes no claim of whether something exists, or not. Being a physicist, you should know that supernatural things lie outside the bounds of science, exactly because they are unevidenced. If there was empirical evidence, they'd simply be natural.
Whatever his experience was, how could he even prove to himself that it was indeed a god, and not a fairy pretending to be a god. How would he ever be able to tell the difference? His conclusion is incoherent. It doesn't follow that a "feeling", or whatnot, was a sign from a god.
On top of that, as I originally said, throw in the fact that there are multiple people claiming this person, that person, or themselves, were chosen by a god. It's incoherent nonsense, when opposing football teams, or armies, or politicians, claim God wants them to win.
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His "peace" plans, between states that weren't fighting, and didn't include Palestinians, were apparently a failure. He pissed off Iran, and gave them back a nuke program. He threatened to strike Iran proper, if they retaliated for his assassination. They ignored him and retaliated. He did nothing. His dictator buddy in North Korea built 30-40 nukes, that can at least reach Alaska, while he was president, apparently having no fear of Dumpty. He had his tongue so far up Putin's ass, giving it a royal French kiss, that Putin didn't fear him. Gave Putin secrets. Gave a billionaire donor nuclear secrets. Wants to bow down to Netanyahu and make a pledge of allegiance to Israel a requirement to get in the country.
In what reality would he have prevented anything?
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@Cheesesteakfreak Sam is an idiot. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@flip.flap. Nixon and Reagan Wiki bios, have basics.
Helen Gahagan Douglas was Nixon's California senate opponent, who he nicknamed "The Pink Lady". She's the one who nicknamed him "Tricky Dick". She was awesome. A good Slate article ...
"Actress, Opera Star, Congresswoman
Helen Gahagan Douglas fought for liberty—and watched Richard Nixon end her political career.
BY KARINA LONGWORTH
APRIL 14, 2016"
If you look up who voted for and against the 1964 and 1968 Civil Rights bills, you'll find it was divided mainly by geography, not party. The Southern Republicans were just as opposed, and voted against, as the Southern Democrats. It was the Northerners, of both parties, that passed the bills. If you look at the 1968 and 1972 election maps, you'll see 5 states were won by resegregationist, George Wallace, in 1968. Then they went Republican, in 1972.
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
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AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
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Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
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AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@PotentialThall What the f*ck does simply being able eyeball someone have to do with race? Using the eyeballing method, there should be dozens of races. Are you saying light skinned Japanese and dark skinned Indonesians, are different races?
The more standard Indo-European Aryan race category, of the time period, had Indians and Swedes belonging to the same race. How does that fit your bullshit talking point, that it's all visual?
Are Native Americans descended from Asians, or are they a different race? Or, are there even different races of Native Americans, due to some having paler skin, in the North, and some having darker skin, nearer the equator?
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@ManiacMayhem7256 They did have their citizen rights stripped away, as they weren't Aryan/German, which included not being able to vote on referendums. They outlawed mixed marriages. Those hundreds of mixed race kids would belong to a black parent, and it's because they had a black parent they were sterilized. Kind of like the US, Germany mostly left dealing with the tiny black population to regional authorities, telling them it was up to them how to deal with black Germans. You can also look at the US federal government, around the same time, and say the federal government wasn't doing anything to black Americans. Jewish survivors of camps have reported seeing some black people go through. They just disappeared. When it came to POWs, the military segregated black colonial soldiers, treated them worse, and about 50% ended up dying.
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@zachdave2994 I haven't changed my tune once. Nothing you've gone on about actually refutes anything I originally said. J-sh Councils administered ghettos, even held elections, just like IL let's Pals do. J-sh ghetto police, kept order, just like IL let's Pals do. Sometimes those councils and police forces worked with the N-zis, like the PA. Sometimes those councils and police forces worked with resistance groups, like Ham. N-zi soldiers didn't live in, nor constantly patrol, the ghettos. They covered the walls, from outside, and from towers, just like IL does. You've likewise said nothing to refute that Z-nists were colonizers (they weren't shy about admitting to it, originally), nor occupiers (OPT), like the N-zis. Sure, there are no death camps, but N-zis were N-zis, long before 1942. The absence of death camps doesn't mean one isn't a N-zi.
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@zachdave2994 YouTube is making this near impossible to discuss.
I haven't changed my tune once. Nothing you've gone on about actually refutes anything I originally said. Jwsh Councils administered ghttos, even held elections, just like IL lets Pals do. Jwsh ghtto police, kept order, just like IL lets Pals do. Sometimes those councils and police forces worked with the Nzs, like the PA. Sometimes those councils and police forces worked with resistance groups, like Ham. Nz soldiers didn't live in, nor constantly patrol, the ghettos. They covered the walls, from outside, and from towers, just like IL does. You've likewise said nothing to refute that Znsts were clnizers (they weren't shy about admitting to it, originally), nor occpiers (OPT), like the Nzs. Sure, there are no exterm camps, but Nzs were Nzs, long before 1942. The absence of exterm camps doesn't mean one isn't a Nz. And, I've never conflated the two. That was you.
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@zachdave2994 @zachdave2994 YouTube is making this near impossible to discuss.
I haven't changed my tune once. Nothing you've gone on about actually refutes anything I originally said. Jwsh Councils administered ghttos, even held elections, just like IL lets Pals do. Jwsh ghtto police, kept order, just like IL lets Pals do. Sometimes those councils and police forces worked with the Nzs, like the PA. Sometimes those councils and police forces worked with rsstance groups, like Ham. Nz soldiers didn't live in, nor constantly patrol, the ghtos. They covered the walls, from outside, and from towers, just like IL does. You've likewise said nothing to refute that Znsts were clnizers (they weren't shy about admitting to it, originally), nor occpiers (OPT), like the Nzs. Sure, there are no exterm camps, but Nzs were Nzs, long before 1942. The absence of exterm camps doesn't mean one isn't a Nz. And, I've never conflated the two. That was you.
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@zachdave2994 Lol, you're like someone arguing a medium, or minimum, security prison, isn't a prison. Likud's own platform states that the Pal territories are not, and never will be, independent.
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@zachdave2994 Your comment was about who was worse, between the two sides fighting. My comment addressed that Znists making WWII analogies put Israel on the wrong side of the analogy. You rambling on about whether Nazis were worse than Znists is completely irrelevant to that point. Znists are the colonizers, the ethnic cleansers, the occupiers, and the ones operating a ghetto. It's completely irrelevant whether a Nzi ghetto was worse than a Znist ghetto. It doesn't affect my point, in the least. They're still the Nzis in the analogy. You were the one deflecting to irrelevance.
Rofl. The history of Likud is the history of Revisionist Znism. They have never wanted peace. Likud's platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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@zachdave2994 Blah blah blah. Nothing you're saying changes these facts ...
"Just a fact that IL controls Gz's borders, airspace, ports, electricity, water, imports/exports, who goes in and out, and even the money from Qtr, which Bibi has stopped and started multiple times. Just a fact that Likud's own platform states the Pal territories are not, and never will be, independent. Just a fact that all the relevant international bodies consider the Pal territories all occpied. Just a fact that it is an open air ghto."
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@zachdave2994 I'm the one saying all levels of security prisons are prisons, that they come in different flavours, but they're all prisons. You can't grasp basic English. You're the one arguing they all have to be the same (the absolute worst), or they don't count as prisons.
When someone was saying IL was klling children, you said children die in war, and referred to the Allies. And, you can't seem to grasp analogies. That IL are the clonizers, ethnic cleansers, occpiers, and operators of an open air ghto, makes them analogous (not to be confused with perfectly exactly pure samesies) to the Nzis, in a WWII analogy.
Yeah, I'd have been on the same side as all my grandparents, granduncles, and grandaunts (who also all volunteered). I'd be on the side of my Danish resistance grandfather ... the Danish resistance got almost every Jew out of Denmark. So, I likewise don't support similar (not to be confused with perfectly exactly pure samesies) behaviour, by Revisionists, in Palestine.
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@zachdave2994 I see you didn't bother reading my history of Likud, comment. It literally discusses the difference between the two statements. Yeah, yeah, just the guy, and party, that dominated IL politica, from the beginning until 1965. How about Golda Meir, was she the great peace partner? “It was not as if there was a Palestinian people in Palestine and we came and threw them out and took their country away from them. They did not exist.”
A n a l o g y ... look up what it means.
No. I don't think all Germans were Nzis. However, it was still a Nzi state. Right? Same with IL. You don't seem to understand much of anything I say.
Your original "argument" was bringing up the Allies, when someone else was talking about IL klling children. My point was that IL is DE in any WWII analogy. Then you went off ranting about irrelevant nonsense, that doesn't change that fact. IL are the clonizers, ethnic cleansers, occpiers, and operators of an open air fscist style ghtto. They are analogous (not to be confused with perfectly exactly pure samesies) to DE, not the Allies.
Because the differences, between a ghtto and and an exterm camp, are irrelevant to whether IL is operating a fscist style ghtto. I never said they were operating an exterm camp. You can prattle on about exterm camps, all you want, but you're not talking about the ghttos themselves, or anything I said, the entire time you do.
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@zachdave2994 You're the one who went from me saying "WWII style fascist ghtto" to exterm camps, single brain cell, not me. I was the one saying you were on an irrelevant deflection, going that route, but you kept ignoring me. When you went down that route, I was the one who very very clearly stated, to clarify your delusional take, that I didn't think a US Japanese concentration camp was "as bad as" a Nzi camp. But, you kept going on, and on, and on, and on, as if I ever once said two things were exactly perfectly 100% pure samesies. You have severe severe comprehension problems.
A n a l o g y ... analogous to the different security levels of prisons, not that they specifically have a roof, ffs. C'mon Drax, keep up. Analogous to the levels of horribleness in Nzi ghttos. Just because one ghtto didn't have absolutely every element you rambled on and on and on and on about, doesn't mean it wasn't a ghtto.
Yet again, you were the one who brought in NYC, not me. When you did, I very very clearly asked if I had to type out "fscist style ghtto" every single time, for you. I guess your single brain cell has answered my question.
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@zachdave2994 Your original "argument" brought up the Allies, in response to IL klling children. I mentioned a few reasons why IL is more analogous to the Axis. The clonization, which you ignored. The occpation, which you ignored. And, that they're the one operating a WWII style fascist ghtto. That was the one thing you grasped upon, which isn't even necessary, to make the point that Znist invders, clonizers, and occpiers, are more analogous to the Axis than the Allies. Clonizers are never not the aggrssors. Znists are the aggrssors. Nzis were the aggrssors.
As for Gza, it is walled, just the same. IL controls the borders, airspace, shores, electricity, water, what goes in and out (including food), and who goes in and out, just the same. The IL occpier has complete military dominance over the walled space, just the same.
There actually were not Nzis "everywhere", inside ghttos, like you said. They didn't like interacting with Jws, and didn't want their troops doing so either. They tried to minimize contact with Jws. Hence the Jwish councils and Jwish ghtto police, who administered the interior of ghttos. The Nzis militrized, and guarded, the perimeter, just like IL.
Not all Nzi ghttos had forced slve labour, like you said. Some had work permit based labour. Some Jwish councils even negotiated to create places for Jws to work, so they could earn extra food and money.
Not all Nzi ghttos had experiments, and ghttos weren't the same as exterm camps, as you've tried to make out.
Gza not being 100% on par with the worst possible Nzi ghtto, doesn't mean it isn't equivalent to any WWII style fscist ghtto. You would rule out a number of actual Nzi ghttos, with your standards. Gza has enough similarities, to qualify.
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@bellfaith1065 60+ court cases ... nothing. 44 state investigations ... nothing. Every single insurrectionist court case, a chance to provide evidence the election was rigged and that the insurrectionists were the ones trying to save democracy ... nothing but a bunch of guilty verdicts. Every single voting defamation case, a chance to provide evidence they weren't lying ... nothing but settlements for hundreds of millions of dollars, so far. Every single RICO defendant case, a chance to prove the election was rigged and that they were the ones trying to save democracy ... nothing but flipping, guilty pleas, and attempts to delay, so far.
Plus, you seem to have things backwards. You're the ones claiming a crime happened, and you can't even provide an ounce of evidence. You're the ones wanting innocent people charged, based on zero evidence.
Dumpty has claimed the Emmys were rigged, claimed the first Ohio primary was rigged, claimed the 2016 election was rigged and that he actually won the popular vote (he even set up his own election integrity commission which found no such thing), and then claimed the 2020 election was rigged. There is evidence of a history of him lying, and being unable to take an L, like a man. He's just a spoiled little "billionaire" brat, who cries whenever he doesn't get his way.
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@bellfaith1065 Hrrrm, YouTube not liking some word here ....
60+ court cases ... nothing. Multiple state investigations ... nothing (some even finding more votes for Joe). Every single insur. court case, a chance to provide evidence the election was rigged and that the insur. were the ones trying to save democracy ... nothing but a bunch of guilty verdicts. Every single defamation case, a chance to provide evidence they weren't lying ... nothing but settlements for hundreds of millions of dollars, so far. Every single RICO defendant case, a chance to prove the election was rigged and that they were the ones trying to save democracy ... nothing but flipping, guilty pleas, and attempts to delay, so far.
Plus, you seem to have things backwards. You're the ones claiming a crime happened, and you can't even provide an ounce of evidence. You're the ones wanting innocent people charged, based on zero evidence. You can't even build a good enough fake case, to get a judge to look at it.
Dumpty has claimed the Emmys were rigged, claimed the first Ohio primary was rigged, claimed the 2016 election was rigged and that he actually won the popular vote (he even set up his own election integrity commission which found no such thing), and then claimed the 2020 election was rigged. There is evidence of a history of him lying, and being unable to take an L, like a man. He's just a spoiled little "billionaire" brat, who cries whenever he doesn't get his way.
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@bellfaith1065 Hrrrm, YouTube not liking some word here ....
60+ court cases ... nothing. Multiple state investigations ... nothing (some even finding more votes for Joe). Every single insurrectionist court case, a chance to provide evidence the election was rigged and that the insurrectionists were the ones trying to save democracy ... nothing but a bunch of guilty verdicts. Every single defamation case, a chance to provide evidence they weren't lying ... nothing but settlements for hundreds of millions of dollars, so far. Every single RICO defendant case, a chance to prove the election was rigged and that they were the ones trying to save democracy ... nothing but flipping, guilty pleas, and attempts to delay, so far.
Plus, you seem to have things backwards. You're the ones claiming a crime happened, and you can't even provide an ounce of evidence. You're the ones wanting innocent people charged, based on zero evidence. You can't even build a good enough fake case, to get a judge to look at it.
On the flip side ... Donnie boy has claimed the Emmys were rigged, claimed the first Ohio primary was rigged, claimed the 2016 election was rigged and that he actually won the popular vote (he even set up his own election integrity commission which found no such thing), and then claimed the 2020 election was rigged. There is a documented history of him lying, and being unable to take an L, like a man. He's just a spoiled little "billionaire" brat, who cries whenever he doesn't get his way.
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@robertjohnson1681 Oh, more fun fact, about Civil Rights:
The Southern Republicans also voted against Civil Rights. It was only due to the Northern members, of both parties, that Civil Rights passed. Pissed off at the Northerners of both parties, the Southern racist majority abandoned both parties, in 1968, and voted for a third party resegregationist, winning 5 states. Nixon won that Southern racist majority over to the Republican party, in 1972.
Trump thought that was the party for him, likely because the Trumps weren't fans of Civil Rights, either. They were sued once before Donnie began working, and twice after he was management, for not renting to black Americans. Settled, each time. Trump is still calling black Americans things like "peekaboo", thinks "fine people" show up to Klan rallies, and wanted BLM labeled "terrorists". Biden, on the other hand, just strengthened HUD's commitment towards integrated housing.
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
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@janimay7564 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@theciakilledjfk5973 They don't "own" the UN. 5 of them have a stupid veto power, in the security council, including Russia. Russia could have vetoed any security council resolutions regarding Syria, whenever the hell they wanted, just like the US does with Israel. The US can block whatever security council resolutions they want, but they can't pass whatever security council resolutions they want, without the other 4 agreeing. To say they "own" the UN, is to say they "own" the UK, France, Russia, and China. That's idiotic. The UK maybe, but none of the other 3 are US puppets.
Look, dumb dumb, you already moved your goalpost from the UN supporting the war, and buying Colin Powell's bullshit ... which was just an outright lie ... to supporting an occupation, which isn't quite the same as simply recognizing the reality that a country is being occupied. The UN doesn't support the Israeli occupation of Palestine. They recognize there is an occupation. Two different things, dumb dumb. The UN, and UN inspectors, did not support the war, nor provided the US any reason to invade. Then, the UN simply recognized the reality of an occupation. Not sure what else you expected them to do. The US would have been hauled in front of the ICC, if they were signed on.
The UN had no power to evict the US, dumb dumb. So, the question isn't whether you want sanctions or US incompetence, it's whether you want both sanctions and incompetence or just incompetence.
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@ashwynnair6812 Google doesn't pay for the ads. Some secondary company would pay 10% more for the ads, Google would collect and pass it along. Zero extra taxes on Google. Those secondary companies would then either a) write it off ... VAT can be recouped on operating costs, both here in Canada, and in the UK; or b) they'd simply adjust their own prices to cover the rise in advertising costs, and their customers would pay for it.
That's going to be the top 20 or 10 percenters. But, within that group, the top 1% will make so much more money, they'll have even more untaxable money to hoard away. The VAT will affect the high upper middle class, and the low end of the rich, the most, not the 1%.
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100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. You're basically never the good guy, after that point. He also predicted, based on history, exactly how the natives would react ... fight said colonialism until the bitter end.
On top of its colonialist Zionist foundation, the state of Israel was founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. Israel elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun and bombed the King David Hotel. Israel, to this day, celebrates said terrorists, as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
I take it you considered Geronimo a "villain", or resistance movements during WWII that spent money on "terrorism" instead of food?
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v1cv3g4s She just got done backing progressives in some of those conservative districts. They got creamed, but the Dem who won then managed to take out a Republican. So, with a midterm looming, that's in danger of flipping the house back to Republicans, she wants to try and keep progressives in the majority party. I get that Dore knobs would prefer to see the Republicans become the majority, because that's what "real" progressives want to see happen. Btw, wasn't Dore backing a non M4A candidate, during the 2020 primaries? By Dore knob "logic", shouldn't he be considered a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", or whatnot?
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@linbinnash You can't opt out of the VAT. If UBI doesn't benefit you, then the VAT makes you worse off.
Some things not considered staples, and not exempt from Canada's VAT: electric bill, phone bill, internet bill, cable bill, games, toys, basically any entertainment with a cost, non staple snacks and pop, a lower but still present VAT on gasoline, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance and repairs, vehicle maintenance and repairs, ....
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@l.w.paradis2108 I said if Jimmy doesn't let me on his show, then he's "censoring" me. Not simply leaving my comment up, dumbass. That makes you the lying twit.
You didn't have to tell me Glenn's story. He still cried "censorship", which is bullshit. And, obviously, whatever his contract actually said, it involved passing stories by editorial review, first, and not simply hand the story to print. Also, simply asking him not to print it elsewhere isn't much of an attempt to "prevent" him.
Facebook isn't the entire internet, dimwit. It's one site on the entire internet, just like one shop in the entirety of all shops.
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@l.w.paradis2108 Walmart just deemed itself essential, stayed open, and carried on its small business destroying ways. Plenty of small businesses actually operate through Facebook, Amazon, and other online markets. The internet being open helped numerous small shops, that found ways to have curbside pickup, or used third party delivery.
So we're clear, I don't think corporations should have the right to exist, let alone have the rights of people. So, come up with a new angle, than your bullshit "shill" nonsense. I just think it's stupid to reduce cries of "censorship" to refer to meaningless standard everyday private practices. Oh my, your editor asked for a rewrite ... who fucking cares. Oh my, the NYT didn't pick up the Post's Bigfoot story ... who fucking cares. Don't like something Facebook, Twitter, or whatever are doing ... stop fucking using them, just like boycotting Chick-fil-A. I think people are just too addicted to their social media.
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Bernie lost because of MSM, and the DNC machine. Most older voters aren't on Twitter or YouTube, running into the supposedly mean Bernie supporters. They're watching CNN, MSNBC, etc. When people are polled on individual Bernie proposals, most of the country is in favour of them, so they are as "left" as Bernie. They've just been sold bullshit, about electability, M4A, Venezuela, etc., have nostalgia about the Obama years, haven't seen Biden challenged very much ...
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@dougkenny6548 The Dixiecrats?Southern politicians from both parties voted against Civil Rights. The Republican politicians, in those racist majority states, were just as racist. It was Northerners, of both parties, that passed Civil Rights. The Southern racist majority, pissed at the Northerners of both parties, voted for a third party segregationist, in 1968, winning 5 states. Nixon then won that Southern racist majority to the Republican party, in 1972. So, the Dixiecrats have always loved Trump, since they were already Republicans, by the time he came along.
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@dougkenny6548 You're lying. Going by percentage, Republicans were actually more racist.
By party and region
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The House of Representatives:[3]
Southern Democrats: 8–83 (9–91%) – four Representatives from Texas (Jack Brooks, Albert Thomas, J. J. Pickle, and Henry González), two from Tennessee (Richard Fulton and Ross Bass), Claude Pepper of Florida and Charles L. Weltner of Georgia voted in favor
Southern Republicans: 0–11 (0–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145–8 (95–5%)
Northern Republicans: 136–24 (85–15%)
Note that four Representatives voted Present while 13 did not vote.
The Senate:[2]
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) – only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) – John Tower of Texas, the only Southern Republican at the time, voted against
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) – only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%) – Norris Cotton (NH), Barry Goldwater (AZ), Bourke B. Hickenlooper (IA), Edwin L. Mechem (NM), and Milward Simpson (WY) voted against
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@BeeN-fy2jh What's not factual about discussing things geographically, when that's the way the major divisions used to be? Arguing a specific party did something, back before the voters switched parties, promotes the fantasy that they're the same parties. The majority in states voting D, today, are basically in the same Northern states that abolished slvry in their states, elected Lincoln, and won the Civil W/r. The majority voting R, today, are basically the Confederate states + what were territories at the time, the JC states.The most rcst colonies/states, for centuries, didn't magically up and become the least rcst states. But they're voting R. So, what does that mean? It means the Rs of old aren't the Rs of today, and same with Ds. So, talking like they're the same parties makes little sense.
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@BeeN-fy2jh Well, I'm pretty sure the most rcst colonies/states, for centuries, whose majorities voted for slvry, against abolition, for sgrgtion, against desegregation, etc., haven't changed a whole lot. And, you admit blks being targeted, as a race, by Rs.
Oh, the "very fine" extremists, that should "stand by", and who are "hostages" he says he'll pardon ... those ones?
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@BeeN-fy2jh The rally was literally organized by wht nationalists. David Duke was listed as a speaker. If you accidentally show up, see the Nz flags, David Duke, Tiki torch Nzs, etc., and decide to stick around ... you're likely a wht nationalist. Very fine people wouldn't stick around.
Why would I have to go over each individual life? The Oath Keepers and Proud Boys were involved, and convicted of sed con. Has Trump excluded them? No. So, he's talking about wht sprmcst groups. What districts did Trump target with all his election nonsense? Heavily blk districts, trying to steal the votes of blk Americans. Constantly targeting the blk votes means Rs, and Trump, are the ones still trying to do Jm Crw, and remove them from the voting process.
Things were more behind closed doors, until Trump made it okay to come back out of the closet. People whose parents voted against abolition, then voted for sgrgtion. We're now talking about the kids of the people who voted for sgrgtion. You think most were raised not to be rcst? Doubt it.
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@BeeN-fy2jh The rally was literally organized by wt ntnlists. David Duke was listed as a speaker. If you accidentally show up, see the Nz flags, David Duke, Tiki torch Nzs, etc., and decide to stick around ... you're likely a wht ntnlist. Very fine people wouldn't stick around.
Why would I have to go over each individual life? The OKs and PBs were convicted of sed con. Has Trump excluded them? No. So, he's talking about wht sprmcst groups. What districts did Trump target with all his election nonsense? Heavily blk districts, trying to cancel the votes of blk Americans. Constantly targeting the blk votes means Rs, and Trump, are the ones still trying to do Jm Crw, and remove them from the voting process.
Things were more behind closed doors, until Trump made it okay to come back out of the closet. People whose parents voted against abolition, then voted for sgrgtion. We're now talking about the kids of the people who voted for sgrgtion. You think most were raised not to be rcst? Doubt it.
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@BeeN-fy2jh The rally was literally organized by wt ntnlists. Dvd Dke was listed as a speaker. If you accidentally show up, see the Nz flags, Dvd Dke, Tiki torch Nzs, etc., and decide to stick around ... you're likely a wht ntnlist. Very fine people wouldn't stick around.
OKs and PBs were convicted of sed con, for Jan 6. Has Trump excluded them? No. So, he's talking about wht sprmcst groups. What districts did Trump target with all his elctn nonsense? Heavily blk districts, trying to cancel blk votes. Constantly targeting blk votes means Rs, and Trump, are the ones still trying to do Jm Crw, and exclude them from the voting process.
Things were more behind closed doors, until Trump made it okay to come back out of the closet. People whose parents voted against abltion, then voted for sgrgtion. We're now talking about the kids of the people who voted for sgrgtion. You think most were raised not to be rcst? Doubt it.
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@BeeN-fy2jh It was literally organized by wt sprmcsts. Dvd Dke was listed as a speaker. If you accidentally show up, see the Nz flags, Dvd Dke, Tiki torch Nzs, etc., and decide to stick around ... you're likely a wht sprmcst. Very fine people wouldn't stick around.
OKs and PBs were convicted of sed con, for Jan 6. Has Trump excluded them? No. So, he's including wht sprmcsts as "hostages". What districts did Trump go after with all his elctn nonsense? Heavily blk districts, trying to cancel blk vts. Constantly targeting blk vts means Rs, and Trump, are the ones still trying to do Jm Crw, and exclude them from the vtng process.
Things were more behind closed doors, until Trump made it okay to come back out of the closet. People whose parents voted against abltion, then voted for sgrgtion. We're now talking about the kids of the people who voted for sgrgtion. You think most were raised not to be rcst? Doubt it.
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@BeeN-fy2jh It was literally organized by wt sprmcsts. If someone accidentally shows up, sees the Nz flags, Dvd Dke, Tiki torch Nzs, etc., and decides to join in ... that someone is likely a wht sprmcst.
OKs and PBs were convicted of sed con, for Jan 6. Has Trump excluded them? No. So, he's including wht sprmcsts as "hostages". What districts did DT go after with all his elctn nonsense? Heavily blk districts, trying to cancel blk vts. Constantly targeting blk vts means Rs, and DT, are the ones still trying to do Jm Cw, and exclude them from the vtng process.
Things were more behind closed doors, until DT made it okay to come back out of the closet. People whose parents voted against abltn, then voted for sgrgtn. Were the kids of the people who voted for sgrgtn then raised not to be rcst? Doubt it.
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@BeeN-fy2jh It was literally organized by wt sprmcsts. If someone accidentally shows up, sees the Nz flags, Dvd Dke, Nzs with torches, etc., and decides to join in ... that someone is likely a wht sprmcst.
OKs and PBs were convicted of sed con, for Jan 6. Has Trump excluded them? No. So, he's including wht sprmcsts as "hostages". What districts did DT go after with all his elctn nonsense? Heavily blk districts, trying to cancel blk vts. Constantly going after blk vts means Rs, and DT, are the ones still trying to do Jm Cw, and exclude their vts.
Things were more behind closed doors, until DT made it okay to come back out of the closet. People whose parents voted against abltn, then voted for sgrgtn. Were the kids of the people who voted for sgrgtn then raised not to be rcst? Doubt it.
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@BeeN-fy2jh It was literally organized by wt spmcsts. If someone accidentally shows up, sees the Nz flags, Dvd Dke, Nzs with torches, etc., and decides to join in ... that someone is likely a wht spmcst.
OKs and PBs were cnvcted of sed con, for Jan 6. Has DT excluded them? No. So, he's including wht sprmcsts as "hostages". What districts did DT trgt with all his elctn nonsense? Heavily blk districts, trying to cancel blk vts. Constantly trgting blk vts means Rs, and DT, are the ones still trying to do Jm Cw, and exclude their vts.
Things were more behind closed doors, until DT made it okay to come back out of the closet. People whose parents voted against abltn, then voted for sgrgtn. Were the kids of the people who voted for sgrgtn then raised not to be rcst? Doubt it.
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@robertkleiman Weird how you went on about "the" election, then ... the one that I wasn't referring to. Chalk it up to your reading comprehension, rather than ignrnce, then.
I didn't say "every", I said there was a Southern rcst voting majority, since the very first elections, as is evidenced by their entire history, up to that point. I also said the Southern Republicans were equally rcst (as per their voting records on Civil Rights). I'm talking fully evidenced geographical rcsm, and you're talking magic. The most rcst colonies/states, for centuries, didn't up and magically become the least rcst states. The rcst voting majority of those states simply started voting for another party.
Even if we say Strom Thurmond switched to R, due to conservative economics, he's still a rcst. That is still a wt sprmcst then voting R. A Southern wt rcst majority started voting R. Rs are the ones now trying to disenfranchise blk voters. Rs are the ones now protecting Confederate symbols. Rs are the ones with barely any blk representation. Rs are the ones having wt sprmcst rallies. Rs are the ones criticizing Civil Rights, and trying to strip away what they can. Etc.
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@robertkleiman What do you mean that's not true? Blk Americans had already started voting D, with FDR, who supported workers. But, Rs still maintained about 30% of the blk vote, until 1964, when it dropped to even lower levels than the 10% today. What happened in 1964? Who was voting R, if the rcst wt majority kept voting D? How did Rs win? The Southern wt population was so freaking rcist, that the rcst majority got a third party resegregationist to win 5 states, in 1968. The best third party run in a hundred years, and in the almost 60 years since. Where did that rcst majority go? Just magically poofed out of existence?
Make actual sense, and it will be comprehensible.
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@robertkleiman Did I miss the part where you answered these ...
That rcst Southern majority, that won 5 states for a third party resegregationist, in 1968, voted for who, in 1972?
What happened, in 1964, to lose 2/3rds of the remaining 30% of the blk vote?
Yeah, you have zero clue what you are talking about. Teddy Roosevelt had his Square Deal, which was fairly pro-worker, for the times. He had his trust busting. He had his environmentalism. After his second term, the R platform started taking such a hard right, he came back, and wanted to run again. They wouldn't let him run as an R, had already immediately disowned him, so he started his own Progressive Party.
Rs turned even harder, and became even more anti-worker, instead pandering to big business, with the first Red Scare. Then they drove the economy into the Great Depression. And, if you think equally not helping poor people, of any race, isn't pandering to anyone (such as the wealthier wt majority), then equally helping poor people of any race, isn't pandering to anyone.
If you think Civil Rights was "pandering", then so was emancipation. If you think the New Deal was "pandering", then so was the Square Deal. If you don't think handing big business whatever they want, or the wealthier wt majority, was "pandering" then you are dmbr than a stump, or a Trump.
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@masonsmith5726 That would be a long future, where Republicans would win, for decades to come. Even if the entire progressive caucus was third party, and all progressive voters voted third party, that would have led to Republicans winning the house, senate, and presidency. A third party would still be largely irrelevant, even if it ever managed to get that many seats in congress.
In Canada, the Conservative party should never win outside of 2 provinces, where they have a majority of votes, and never at the federal level. The only reason they do, is because Liberal and NDP (BQ too) votes are split. It allows Conservatives to win the majority of seats with only 35-40% of the vote. Things would be even worse, in the US, because Republicans get 45-50% of the vote. A third party would never be relevant, in the US, until it could get all the current Dem votes, actually become the second main party, and be able to beat the Republican party.
That's why it makes more sense just to keep trying to take over the party. The progressive caucus is like 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The Justice Dems have won 11 seats. The most popular third party, Libertarian, hasn't won a single seat in its 50 year existence. The most popular progressive third party, Green, hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. You're looking at decades of Republican rule, before possibly even winning one seat.
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Likud was created by Zionist terrorist, Menachem Begin, who bombed Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism), and bombed the King David Hotel. The other founder was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages. Their initial platform stated that their goal was for Israel to rule from the sea to the Jordan (reverse of, from the river to the sea). Netanyahu has proven that that still seems to be the goal, with the endless colonization of the West Bank. Netanyahu also promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization projects. The end of violence would mean that Israel might have to pull back, plus allow the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Peace is against Likud's interests.
So, why not the exact same forceful demand that Likud be removed? Hamas has ceasefired before and Likud broke the agreement. Why dishonestly make out like Hamas is the only barrier to peace?
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Just to be clear ... Letting Thanos win a battle, eradicate half the universe's population, throwing all of existence into turmoil, throwing trillions upon trillions into grief and depression, very likely causing countless suicides by those who couldn't bear to live without their loved ones, etc., etc., ... all so you can win the final war (thanks to a rat), is a lesser of two evils, utilitarian, decision.
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@jamespoon2656 AOC backed 20 other pro-M4A progressives, and helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, in the last election cycle. She was just campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A while doing it, trying to add another. Adding enough yes votes to congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. Jimmy took the opportunity to yet again slander her and say she abandoned M4A, meanwhile it was him who abandoned Nina and abandoned trying to add another yes vote to congress. Did the people "behind closed doors" want Nina elected? If so, then they don't sound too bad. If not, then you're spouting nonsense.
Jimmy didn't care if 10m of the poorest Americans were thrown off Medicaid expansion, didn't care to try and add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion, promoted Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" over Bernie and M4A ... for him to turn around and portray himself as the one true champion of healthcare, and slander anyone who disagrees with him on even a single secondary tactic, as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", "betrayers", etc., is the joke. It's a lousy "fighter" that punches those closest to his claimed position the most, and promotes those far removed from his position as allies, the better option, or just doesn't punch them at all.
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If you're only going to accept full blown socialism, before using that word, then you should only accept full blown capitalism before using that word. In that case, only countries with absolute monarchies, like Saudi, might represent full capitalism, as they are totally privately owned enterprises. If that ruler builds a road, he's building it on his own private property.
Most countries run on a mix of both capitalism, privately owned enterprises, and socialism, publicly owned enterprises. There's nothing wrong with the term "socialized medicine", if it's publicly owned. And, if even one thing is publicly owned, then you've got a small percentage of socialism mixed with your capitalism.
The only exceptions being things that someone like Ayn Rand made exceptions for, even under extreme capitalism ... military, legal system, etc., to protect private interests and private property. Those things are more a difference in levels of authoritarianism, and there are authoritarian and non-authoritarian versions of both capitalism and socialism.
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@thewellhaspoison Marx totally talked about having a transition, in which you'd still need a government. If that government does things that reduces the gap in classes (minimum wage, free education, free medical, etc.), then that is a partial move towards socialism and away from all out capitalism. If that government spreads out money according to need (disability, baby bonus, old age, unemployment), then it's a partial move towards socialism, and away from all out capitalism. If that government gives some power to the workers (legalizing unions and strikes, worker safety regulations, guaranteed days off, limited work day, minimum wages, etc.), then it's a partial move towards socialism, and away from all out capitalism. Etc.
If a "mixed" economy isn't a mix of capitalism and socialism, then what's it a mix of? If centrism isn't in the centre of capitalism and socialism, then what's it in the centre of?
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@coffeecomics3583 Subjectivity, which requires a subject by definition yes, is that subject's preferences, likes, dislikes, biases for or against, opinions, desires, caring, etc.
Objectivity is facts, truth, logic, etc., which are supposed to be the case independent of any individual subject.
Observations are, basically, objective in nature. It's just empirical evidence being sent to your brain. A computer with cameras, or other sensory input, can observe, record, and store empirical evidence. I'm referring to actions, making a decisions, judgements, things that only comes from a subject's subjectivity. Subjectivity is how you feel about what you observed, not a way to observe.
Fact: the subject observes person A forcing person B to have sex
So what? That only matters if the observing subject cares, one way or another. The subject will make no decision, make no judgement, without subjectivity. If you care, then you'll make a decision about whether you like or dislike such behaviour, make a judgment whether you feel it's right or wrong. Most people will be inclined towards the dislike/wrong.
A robot observing that fact may record it, but it won't ever give a crap, make a decision/judgement, on its own. A programmer could program in their own subjective judgment, telling the robot how to react to such behaviour, but it won't ever actually care itself.
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Ummm, you don't have to ask for privileges to get privileges. By being white, you have the privilege of not facing as much, if any, of the racism you're acknowledging exists. Not really a hard concept. Non-white, non-Christian, non-hetero, people should also enjoy the privilege of not being discriminated against.
Sure, there is also class privilege, but that's a somewhat different angle. Because there is only so much pie, which the super rich are hoarding, they should have some privilege (wealth) taken away and used to give the poor some of those privileges (decent health care, decent education, affordable housing, etc.). It's really just a consumption tax, since they benefit the most from the society those taxes help create.
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Yes. Fascist: ultra-nationalistic, anti-union, anti-socialist, anti-communist, anti-feminist, anti-democratic, backed by big business (crony capitalism), backed by religious extremists, pro military expansion, pro police expansion ...
Republicans have been dipping their toes into all out fascism with gerrymandering, disenfranchising, and voter suppression. This latest nonsense is overtly anti-democratic and fills in the last box.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@samuelross9884 Rofl. You sure typed out a lot, but were wrong, and no longer worth reading, in the first sentence. Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, dimwit. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are Hispanic and Catholic. All these "Arab" countries weren't completely emptied of people and totally refilled by actual Arabians from a small desert country. You Zionists are complete and utter morons, if you actually believe that's what happened, or completely dishonest bullshit peddlers, all to try and justify colonizing and ethnic cleansing Palestinians.
Canaan was a land of independent city states, which shared a similar culture, mythology, and language. Do you morons want to go back to that? No. The first nation to rule over Canaan was Egypt. Do you morons want to give it back to them? No. You want to pick a very specific 500 year period in time, and return to that ... nothing before, nothing after. When Egypt was pushed out of the region, right beside the kingdoms of Israel and Judah, emerged Philistia, at the same time. Since then, all, or part, of the region has been called Peleset, Philistia, Philistine, Palestine, or Filastin, by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Greeks (Aristotle wrote that the Dead Sea was "in Palestine"), Western Romans, Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims, Christian crusaders, the Ottomans, the British, and even the first Zionist congress, that wanted to create a home "in Palestine".
You know what the region wasn't called, all or in part, since about 700 BCE? Israel. Even Israelite refugees to Judah stopped calling themselves that, and started calling themselves Judahites. Then, when they later created their religion in Babylon, that's why it became known as "Judaism", not "Israelism". Even when they gained some semi-autonomy, under the Greeks, they called it "Judea", not "Israelea".
But, even your garbage take on history wouldn't matter. Ancient history is irrelevant. I can't round up millions of people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "go back", claim half of England, and cleanse that half of its current inhabitants. If we did, we'd still be colonizers and ethnic cleansers. No part of the definition of "colonizer" says people "returning", after a long absence, can't be colonizers. All Europeans have ancient roots in Africa. They still colonized the f*ck out of it.
If you're simply ignorant, fix that. If you're a dishonest person, that lies to try and justify colonialism and ethnic cleansing, you're disgusting.
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@esw0y You also might want to take a good hard look at Jewish history. Whenever they've had enough power to take over, or even put up a strong rebellion, they've genocided everyone around them.
"Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put one Andreas at their head and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would cook their flesh, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, consequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished. In Egypt, they also performed many similar deeds, and in Cyprus under the leadership of Artemio. There, likewise, two hundred and forty thousand perished. For this reason, no Jew may set foot in that land, but even if one of them is driven upon the island by the force of the wind, he is put to death. Various persons took part in subduing these Jews, one being Lusius, who was sent by Trajan."
By Israel standards, Rome should have annihilated all Jews, to root out the resistance.
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TheOpenSociety777 What's wrong with California, exactly?
A bunch of states with higher crime rates ...
New Mexico 6,462
Louisiana 6,408
Colorado 6,091
South Carolina 5,973
Arkansas 5,899
Oklahoma 5,870
Washington 5,759
Tennessee 5,658
Oregon 5,610
Missouri 5,605
Alaska 5,359
Utah 5,190
Hawaii 5,077
Arizona 4,940
Texas 4,937
North Carolina 4,872
Kansas 4,823
Alabama 4,727
California 4,720
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@GR33TINGSEARTHL1NGS He's an ignoramus. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
The history of Likud is the history of Revisionist Zionism. In 1923, its founder, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, wrote The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
That same year, Ze'ev separated from the Haganah, and began training his own Betar militant youth group which, along with other Revisionists who broke from Haganah, formed the Irgun, and Lehi, terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, Italian Fascists, and Vichy Lebanon, and continued fighting against the British, throughout WWII. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the non-Jewish majority of Palestine, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and there were at least 711,000 non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the non-Jewish majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Those terrorist groups also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists, on the other hand, wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives). Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, then became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, wrote about, in a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories (OPT) are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... that millions more Palestinian refugees, don't have a right of return, to vote ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Maybe. It would still be hard to try and get Republicans to go along with making all private insurers offer a basic, universal, non-profit, package, and have all states cover anyone and everyone who can't afford a private package. But, states might be able to make those kinds of rules for insurers within their own states, and not have to wait for the feds.
The foundation for a Canadian model is there. Their's is more like a Medicaid for all, with the federal government pitching in, but each province running their own. You could keep raising the max income level Medicaid covers. Individual states could also start this on their own, and not have to wait for the feds.
The foundation is also there to keep lowering the age of Medicare, but very hard to get enough federal lawmakers on board.
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@knukkaboom4491 You're a moron. It's right in the word, dummy. "Feudalism" comes from the old Germanic word "fihu", which means "cattle". "Fihu" is also where the word "fee" comes from. Sure, there was a variety of bartering, but there was a standard ... the cow. Just like ten dimes is worth the standard dollar, ten chickens might be worth the standard cow. Early feudal lords were, effectively, cattle barons of old.
Like the dimwit you are, you jumped straight into nations, with laws, skipping over the earliest feudalism, with no minted coins, with no kings, without even a unified nation, well outside Rome, amongst Germanic tribes. A family would settle land, the family head would be owner, the family would grow, the settlement would grow, but still be considered to be the head's property, the head would pass it down to an eldest son, just like centuries of inheritance, and also perfectly okay in an ancap environment.
The settlement might grow to attract other settlers, but they'd still be considered to be living on the head of the family's property. He could charge them rent, make them pledge loyalty, make rules, whatever he wanted, for the right to live on his property. All perfectly fine in an ancap environment.
If they had a property dispute with a nearby clan, they'd settle it with their private armies. If you got sick of the other clan, maybe you'd just go outright conquer their settlement, and claim it as your own. There's no oversight, or legal system, saying there's anything wrong with that in an ancap environment.
Now you privately own two settlements, so maybe you stick a close family member, or friend, in as manager of your other settlement. Then maybe you add another, and another, etc. All perfectly legal, because there is no law above you in an ancap environment.
Etc. Etc. Etc. Until you've got a large enough group of settlements, to declare yourself a king of something ... the Angles, the Franks, ... whatever. Absolute monarchies are complete private ownership of an entire region. The private owner can make whatever rules (laws) they want, for living on their private property. The private owner can charge whatever price (rent, tax) they want, for living on their private property. The private owner can mint his own money, with his face on it, good inside his privately owned nation. The private owner can hire a private policing force, to enforce the rules for living on his private property. Etc.
So you shut down the government, and turn the US ancap ... what's to stop giant corporations from hiring large private armies and throwing their weight around? What's to stop the rich from hiring small private armies, and throwing their weight around?
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A new myth being promoted by candidate Andrew Yang: "Amazon, Google, and other companies funnel hundreds of billions in earnings overseas. In fact, Amazon paid zero in taxes last year. A VAT makes it impossible for them to benefit from the American people, automation, and infrastructure without paying their fair share."
In actuality, a VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation. A VAT is a sales tax collected in stages with all the business stages getting their input VAT credited back to them. Anyone promoting a tax designed to not tax businesses as a way to tax businesses is speaking gibberish. Comparing his dividend, which won't have corporations paying into it, to the Alaskan dividend, which is paid into by corporations, is totally disingenuous ... Yang also seriously needs to stop pretending that every UBI is alike, because they aren't, and how they're funded is extremely important.
His claim that a VAT/UBI combo will have corporations paying you for your data, paying you for every automated truck mile, or paying you to show you ads, is utter nonsense.
Let's say I sell computers. Like any business, to make a profit, I have to first cover my costs. If a portion of my per computer costs are $100 in Facebook data, $100 in Google ads, and $100 in automated Amazon deliveries, that $300 will included in the price of my computers. Add a 10% VAT, and my business would initially pay $30 in input VAT on those costs, but then, when I sell, I will collect $30 in output VAT on that $300 portion of my price. The business gets to reclaim that $30, paying no taxes in the end. The government gets $30, and the customer pays $30 ... pays a tax on their own data, pays a tax to be shown ads, and pays a tax on the automation taking their job.
Yang's own linked to pass through rate study debunks his claims. Regarding the "central question", the study found a 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services. It was only including zero rated goods, and other things that are only relevant to overall CPI or inflation, that lowered the pass through rate. A zero rated good or service is irrelevant to who pays the tax because nobody is paying on a zero rated item. Taking a standard rated 100% pass through item, and a zero rated 0% pass through item, will give you an average pass through of 50%, but you can't reverse engineer that, like Yang, and claim consumers and businesses paid 50/50. No. The consumer paid 100% on 50% of the items. The broader findings of the pass through study simply means consumers are paying about 100% of the tax on about 30% of the things they spend their money on.
Since a VAT won't have corporations paying into the dividend, and since he already agrees current taxation won't have corporations paying into the dividend, then they will only get the benefits of the dividend being spent. Amazon's share of US consumer spending is 2.3%. If even 2% of $3t is spent on Amazon, they'll make an extra $60b a year. Instead of making them pay their fair share, Yang would make giant corporations extra billions a year.
Americans should learn how a VAT works, and try to figure out if Yang is just clueless or if he's lying. If lying, remember he originally wanted to replace all government assistance programs, including SS, SSDI, and VA benefits, and originally wanted to have a VAT on everything, including food. The "humanity first" candidate had to hear negative feedback to be convinced those weren't great ideas.
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en
http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
Even Amazon knows a VAT doesn't end up taxing businesses.
https://services.amazon.co.uk/services/vat-resources.html
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@ubuu7 Okay, but making the Bezoses of the world, who live on stocks, extra billions a year, because your not taxing their source of their increasing wealth, giant corporations, is a big problem. It's unsustainable, especially in a future with mass automation, and a largely unemployed consumer base. Tons of unemployed consumers can't be the ones funding their own UBI. As to other sources of funding, Yang already agreed giant corporations were dodging paying taxes through those methods. It's part of the basis of his argument to make them pay through a VAT. He just doesn't understand that they wouldn't pay through a VAT, either.
The regressive topic is a different one. Unless everyone's income and wealth is equal, a consumption tax will always be regressive (a higher percent of poorer people's total wealth and income, including their UBI income, than a very rich person's). You can try and offset it, but it will still be regressive.
And, no, some of the poorest people are already collecting benefits of a kind that Yang didn't have stack with his UBI, so his plan doesn't always benefit the poor most. Many could receive little, to no benefit, from the UBI, but still have to pay a VAT on many things. That could make some worse off. For example, Yang didn't have his UBI stack with SSI (not to be confused with SSDI) or SNAP, with do stack together now. Someone with a permanent disability could be collecting $993 a month. So, you give them $7 extra a month, but if they have to pay even $8 in VAT, on $80 worth of monthly purchases, or bills, then they're worse off.
A "luxury" isn't a product in a certain price range, it's a category of product. A flip phone would have a tax just like an iPhone. A very basic flip phone service would have a tax just like a top of the line smart phone service. A movie would have a tax just like a Broadway show. McDonald's would have a tax just like a fancy restaurant. Etc. And, all the rich people also wouldn't have to pay taxes on their better quality, and larger amounts, of zero rated goods and services, staples, necessities.
Sure, many people would be better off, but blanket statements about all the poor being better off, just aren't true. Meanwhile, many people who are pretty well off would get extra shopping spree money, or vacation money. Based on a basic household budget, and how much is spent on VATable goods and services, a single adult household wouldn't start paying more in than they get back until about a $400k income, $800k income if a two adult household. That's kind of nutty, if you're doing nothing to improve the lives of a bunch of the poorest citizens.
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@TahtahmesDiary Well, she also backed Bernie against their guy in the primaries, and backed other progressives against their DCCC backed corporate Dems in the congressional primaries. She didn't, exactly, play nice.
Taking the lesser of two evils route, in the general, isn't necessarily "being nice", either. It could just be being pragmatic. Another Trump term could have ended the ACA and millions getting healthcare coverage, could have killed thousands of more Americans from covid than should be, doesn't get you the small gains of lowering the Medicare age and single payer, getting millions more on government healthcare insurance. We already knew, from the history of Bernie campaigning for Clinton, that they quickly forget the general election support and remain bitter about the primary opposition.
After all that, she still has to find a way to work with others, to accomplish anything in the next 2 years. That's harder to do if you go full scorched earth on the party. It could even backfire.
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@LEP021085 Almost all adult Israelis under 40 are in the military, or are in the reserve. It's mandatory. Israeli militants, valid military targets, wandering around amongst civilians, is as much using civilians as human shields as claims that Hamas does. People use that to justify Israel bombing civilian buildings. Hamas also gave a warning. People defend Israel by claiming their warnings somehow absolve them of death and destruction. Which is it?
Tough luck? That's like arguing that native Americans shouldn't have fought back against ethnic cleansing, and should have just accepted their fate. Those darn angry "savages" were flinging arrows at our poor innocent settlers, who were only colonizing native lands. Total justification for chasing them off, killing them, and trapping them on shrinking lands, until they ended up on tiny reserves. Oh, but the US government, laws, and courts, say it's okay! So, suck it up.
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@aidancoutts2341 Actual facts say that Israel is the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@secularsocialist I'm perfectly fine "hun". I have the ability to both remain calm, and point out morons, all at the same time, so don't worry your little head, about me.
Rofl. What are you blathering about? It was Dore who said he was trying to figure out what the covid death rate was, after pulling total population hospitalization rates out of a Gallup article. He was the one who chose the incorrect rate to compare. He was the one too stupid to be able to find the current incorrect rate to compare. He was the one too stupid to do the math to figure out the current incorrect rate to compare. He was the dimwit who then chose an out of date incorrect rate to compare.
All along, the rate he should have been looking for was the crude mortality rate, which is also very very easy to find. Just take the very easy to find deaths per million rate and move the decimal point to the left 4 spaces, or very easy to find deaths per thousand rate a move the decimal point to the left 1 space, and you have deaths per hundred. It's also easy to do the math.
There's nothing incompatible with a 0.9% total population covid hospitalization rate, and a 0.26% total population covid death rate.
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@VColossalV He dishonestly makes out like IL are the peaceful ones. They're not, at all, the colnzng, ethnic cleansing, occuprs, operating an open air ghto, like the Thrd Rch. They're the poor victims. It's the ones living in the open air ghto, that are equivalent to the Thrd Rch.
"What is the alternative to violence for Israel in its current conflict with Hamas, given what Hamas did on October 7th, and given what it has vowed to do again at any opportunity? Pacifism? Pacifism only works against a morally sane adversary. It worked against the British in India. But pacifism would not have worked against the Nazis. Had the Allies decided that war is just too awful, and they just couldn’t stomach killing any more German children, we would all be living in the 1000-year Reich."
Oh, and this all has absolutely nothing to do with some colnlsm policy ... and Hz and possibly Irn, will need to be dealt with similarly.
"The first point is that the problem that Israel faces with Hamas, and eventually Hezbollah, and ultimately Iran, while it is existential for Israel, and dangerous and difficult in many specific ways, is a variant of a larger problem that has nothing, in principle, to do with Israel or Jews or American foreign policy."
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@VColossalV YouTube not liking some words here, so ditched some vowels ...
@VColossalV He dishonestly makes out like IL are the peaceful ones. They're not, at all, the colnzng, ethnic cleansing, occuprs, operating an open air ghto, like the Thrd Rch. They're the poor victims. It's the ones living in the open air ghto, that are equivalent to the Thrd Rch.
"What is the alternative to violence for Isrl in its current conflict with Hms, given what Hms did on October 7th, and given what it has vowed to do again at any opportunity? Pacifism? Pacifism only works against a morally sane adversary. It worked against the British in India. But pacifism would not have worked against the Nzs. Had the Allies decided that war is just too awful, and they just couldn’t stomach kllng any more Grmn children, we would all be living in the 1000-year Rch."
Oh, and this all has absolutely nothing to do with some colnlsm policy ... and Hz and possibly Irn, will need to be dealt with similarly.
"The first point is that the problem that Isrl faces with Hms, and eventually Hzbllh, and ultimately Irn, while it is existential for Isrl, and dangerous and difficult in many specific ways, is a variant of a larger problem that has nothing, in principle, to do with Isrl or Jws or American foreign policy."
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@saikyk4822 douchebag: an obnoxious, offensive, or disgusting person
That's not simply sharing his opinion, dumbass. That's trying to instigate a "debate", without giving any reasoning behind his own position, and trying to get his opposition to do most of the work. You just helped show that it's a nonsensical method, totally devoid of actual substance, that gets nowhere if both sides do it. It's most definitely obnoxious. All we need to know now, is if you know the definition of "or"? Pretty sure he has offended a number of people, as well, even getting demonitized here on YouTube, until he stopped selling homophobic merchandise.
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@gigiontube Apparently you, and many idiot corporate leaders, can't even do basic math, or only care about the short term gains vs long term sustainability. If all jobs went to $3 a day Mexicans or Haitians, or were automated, then nobody would have any money to buy anything from those stupid companies, and everything would collapse. Only a complete moron would think you could send all jobs to super cheap labour countries, and still survive. They need to sell in a market where people actually make enough money to buy their crap and make them a profit. So, no, they don't simply need workers. They also need people with money, who can afford their goods. They need a safe environment to sell their goods in. They need a decent infrastructure. Surely, if you used your brain, you'd see they aren't making their billions off of Haitian consumers. Some companies use $3 a day Haitians to cut costs, but do they sell all their goods to those Haitians? Of course not! It would be moronic to think that was feasible. No, they bring their product to the US to sell. So, even, those shit corporate leaders, like Trump, who outsource their labour, still bring the goods to the US to sell, and still benefit the most from doing business there.
Oh Jesus, the economy has been trending for the better, since 2009. It was a global financial crisis, you dumb twit. Russia is trending better since 2009. The UK is trending better since 2009. Etc. Etc. Trump must be magic. He made things better around the world and before he was president. Amazing!
Taxes aren't theft you stupid twatwaffle. That just shows you're a moron who doesn't know the definition of, at least, one of those words.
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@gigiontube What a load of crap. It is not "communist" countries. A country like Denmark (a centrist country) doesn't even need the government to interfere with minimum wage. It is 70-80% unionized. It has a higher freedom rating. It is regularly listed as one of the best places in the world to live. It has a higher life expectancy. It provides high quality public services, but capitalism still thrives just fine.
Both the US government and corporate leaders have been fighting against union participation in the US. It has gone from 40% unionized in the early 50s, to only 10% unionized. The top marginal tax rate has gone from about 90% to about 35% over that same period. When you idiots want to make America great again, what time period are you looking at exactly? Definitely not the 50s middle class boom, because you're against everything going on then. As taxes for the wealthy have gone down, as union participation has gone down, as wages have stagnated, the income disparity has gone up. The money has been funneling more and more to the top. The US has Gilded Age level income disparity, now. The Gilded Age was followed by a massive depression. There is only so much pie. It is unsustainable and will also crash.
Again, taxes aren't theft you dimwit. By definition, they aren't.
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@jlassonful What a load of crap. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Christians don't like James. He also said that Gentiles should initially be taught the basic Noahide laws (including dietary restrictions), and that they'd learn the rest of the laws from street preachers, and in temples, at a time when there was no book of the New Testament, so what they'd be learning is Jewish laws. Generations of Jewish Christian leaders in Jerusalem stuck to Jewish laws, until Roman Catholics came and ousted them. Early Jewish Christians also didn't seem to believe Jesus was God, and some even considered Paul a false prophet. Also, where you'd expect to find the earliest versions of Gentile Christianity (places like Antioch), they leaned more towards Arianism, which also didn't believe Jesus was God. Catholics gave them the standard options of conversion, death, or exile.
Rome conquered Christianity, and transformed it into what it wanted, rather than the other way around. They started the arguments for "just" wars, as well as justifying private property ownership and wealth accumulation.
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@tallspicy Critical reasoning should tell you that ethnic cleansing is genocide, if the natives don't move, because if they don't move, they get killed. Bezalel Smotrich, the guy Netanyahu put in charge of the West Bank, is a terrorist, homophobe, racist, and lunatic, who made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jews in all Israel/Palestine.
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@myt1soo320 You idiots keep tossing around the word "luxury". A VAT is zero rated by the type of product not the cost of a product. If you buy a shitbox used car from a dealer you pay a VAT, just like someone buying a new Porsche. If your shitbox car breaks down you pay the mechanic a VAT, just like when the Porsche breaks down. If you buy a Big Mac you pay a VAT, just like someone eating at a fancy restaurant. If you buy a plastic watch you pay a VAT, just like someone buying a Rolex. If you buy a shit flip phone you pay a VAT, just like someone buying a top of the line iPhone. If you have a dinky little house you pay a VAT on utilities, just like someone living in a mansion. If you have plumbing issues you pay a VAT, just like someone living in a mansion. If you buy crappy fake Lego for your kid you pay a VAT, just like someone buying a giant real Lego set. If you go to cheap movie night you pay a VAT, just like someone going to a theatre production. Etc.
Poor people would have to sit in the dark, without heat, without communication, counting stars for fun, to totally avoid a VAT.
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@ravenmusic6392 The US is at 62.7%, and the UK at 70.99%, according to John Hopkins and the Google tracker. If being 9 points ahead is "significant", then writing off a point as completely insignificant, is kinda bullshit. Sweden 71.76%, Norway 73.29%, Finland 74.96%, Denmark 78.78% ...
Ummm, yeah, being 95% effective, vs 75% effective, against alpha, is significant. Being 88% effective, vs 68%, against delta, is significant. It means AZ has been having over 2x more breakthrough cases.
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@l.w.paradis2108 I don't have to read what's on your poster, to know that me not letting you stick it up in my store window isn't censorship. To call it such, is nonsense.
I highly doubt a writer has a contract saying they can write whatever the hell they want, whenever they want, and it'll 100% be printed every time, without any editorial input. Even if such a thing existed, breach of contract also doesn't equate to censorship. If we had a contract for you to paint a mural on my wall, and I changed my mind, because I didn't like your sketches, it may be a breach of contract, but that's also not censorship.
Not letting an Armageddon preacher come into my restaurant and scream at my customers isn't censorship.
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@l.w.paradis2108 What did I lie about? You argued "censorship" was a broad concept, going beyond the authorities silencing you, and covers everything from "self-censorship" to "censorship in violation of a private contract", as well. So, everytime someone decides not to say something that might hurt someone else, that's "censorship". That makes it a good thing, in many cases. Ok, Greenwald was "censored", using a broad concept. So what?
It's you that doesn't seem to have read what I said about even if a contract did say that, because you keep going on about the contract. Again, if I sign a contract with you, giving you full artistic license, to paint a mural on the side of my building, but then I decide I don't like your draft sketches and ask you to alter them in some way, that's not censorship. It may be a breach of contract, but me deciding what goes on the wall I own, or what doesn't, is my freedom.
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@ThePoliticalBulldog Dimwit. Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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@iamthatiam4496 You still seem to be thinking with a winner take all mentality. Every vote would count everywhere. If politicians totally ignored small states, and lost too many small state voters, then they could still lose. They'd have to fight for every vote everywhere. It's the electoral college that gives a dozen swing states the power to decide who the president is for everyone else, and allows politicians to ignore more solid states.
Winner take all by state also doesn't just disenfranchise voters in larger states, it disenfranchises the losing voters in small states. Their votes for president don't end up counting. The electoral college also rewards complacency. More people voted in NH (744k, 72% voter turnout), in 2016, than in WV (714k, 50% voter turnout) but the electoral college rewarded them each their predetermined number of electoral votes, giving WV one more electoral college vote than NH. The extra smaller state voters were disenfranchised.
The electoral college has only given a different result than the popular vote 5 times, only 2 times in the past 100 years. What horrors do you think will befall smaller states if it went to popular vote? What's a really good reason to disenfranchise millions of voters across the US, in both large and small states?
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@hakanpetersson2662 No, it didn't, because the Bedouin were counted separately. Which means you lie.
"The total Bedouin population was estimated at approximately 127,000; only 22,000 of them normally resident in the Arab state under the UNSCOP majority plan."
"estimates must, however, be corrected in the light of the information furnished to the Sub-Committee by the representative of the United Kingdom regarding the Bedouin population. According to the statement, 22,000 Bedouins may be taken as normally residing in the areas allocated to the Arab State under the UNSCOP's majority plan, and the balance of 105,000 as resident in the proposed Jewish State. It will thus be seen that the proposed Jewish State will contain a total population of 1,008,800, consisting of 509,780 Arabs and 499,020 Jews. In other words, at the outset, the Arabs will have a majority in the proposed Jewish State."
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@mattbebe2555 No, it has a 1% infection fatality rate, in developed countries. Including countries with a life expectancy of 55, to determine how deadly it will be to Americans, is moronic.
That 1% is 2x the polio paralysis rate, 20x the polio infection fatality rate, plus it is far more contagious. That 1% is 4x the automobile accident fatality rate and, again, far more widespread. Making out like 1% is insignificant, especially with something so contagious, is also moronic.
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Every one of them, that supports Likud, should be censured.
Likud was founded by Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun terrorist group, murderer of civilian Palestinian men, women, and children, murderer of Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism), and bomber of the King David Hotel. Israelis elected that terrorist as their PM. Israelis still celebrate those terrorists, as "heroes", to this day.
Likud was also founded by Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages.
Likud's original platform, "between the sea and the Jordan" ...
"The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
There is zero indication that Likud, Netanyahu, isn't still working towards that goal, with the endless colonization of Palestine territories.
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@donmab There's a difference between passing costs along and having it built right in that they get paid back for any input VAT, dumbass.
10% corporate tax: company buys a product for $100; company sells a product for $200; company gets $90, government gets $10, consumer paid $200
10% VAT: company buys product for $100 + $10 VAT; company sells product for $200 + $20 VAT; company gets $100, government gets $20, consumer paid $220
Even if a company wanted to get $100, with a 10% corporate tax: company buys a product for $100; company sells the product for $211; company gets $100, government gets $11, and customer paid $211
A VAT taxes consumers more.
Plus, many of the developed countries using a VAT do have corporations and the rich paying in in other ways, like with higher taxes on the rich, having higher wages, taxing stock trades, having companies pay for retraining, etc. ... and then they tax the better paid consumers, after. A VAT doesn't have corporations paying in, at all, as Yang pretends.
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@EricLeafericson Okay. The Nazis were backed by leading German industrialists, who were not socialists, in fact were ardent opponents of socialists, communists, and unionists. Hitler promised those backers there wouldn't be a redistribution of wealth. They allied with other far right parties to form the Harzburg Front. They were European leaders in privatization, prior to an all out war economy. They went after communists, socialists, and unionists, for "illegal socialist activity". They killed off any prominent left leaning members of the party, on the Night of the Long Knives. One of the reasons they gave for hating Jews, is for creating socialism, because Marx was of the Jewish "race". Etc.
The black shirts first went after socialist enclaves, across Italy. The King had enough troops to put down the Fascists, but instead decided to make Mussolini PM, exactly because they had been opposing socialists. The King, and the other large landowners, of Italy, who decided to back the Fascists, were the opposite of socialists.
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@EricLeafericson YouTube not liking some word all of a sudden ...
@EricLeafericson Okay. The Nzis were backed by leading German industrialists, who were not scialists, in fact were ardent opponents of scialists, cmmunists, and unionists. Htler promised those backers there wouldn't be a redistribution of wealth. They allied with other far right parties to form the Harzburg Front. They were European leaders in privatization, prior to an all out war economy. They went after cmmunists, scialists, and unionists, for "illegal scialist activity". They klled off any prominent left leaning members of the party, on the Night of the Long Knives. One of the reasons they gave for hating Jws, is for creating scialism, because Marx was of the Jwish "race". Etc.
The black shirts first went after scialist enclaves, across Italy. The King had enough troops to put down the Fscists, but instead decided to make Mssolini PM, exactly because they had been opposing scialists. The King, and the other large landowners, of Italy, who decided to back the Fscists, were the opposite of scialists. Etc.
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@Historia.Magistra.Vitae. "Fascism repudiates the conception of "economic" happiness, to be realized by Socialism and, as it were, at a given moment in economic evolution to assure to everyone the maximum of well-being. Fascism denies the materialist conception of happiness as a possibility, and abandons it to its inventors, the economists of the first half of the nineteenth century. That is to say, Fascism denies the validity of the equation, well-being = happiness, which would reduce men to the level of animals, caring for one thing only-to be fat and well-fed-and would thus degrade humanity to a purely physical existence. After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application." ~ Mussolini
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@DousedInPiss She has been saying, since the appointment, that it's not someone progressives would pick, themselves, has pointed out the bullshit Tanden has spewed against progressives, but said she's better than a further right option. So, when further right Dems, like Manchin, and Republicans, are challenging the appointment, who do you think they'd like to see Tandem replaced with? Someone more progressive?
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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@joemcbride3426 How do you feel about the Irgun and Likud, Zionist terrorist groups that bombed Palestinian markets and other public places, murdered many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonial Zionism)? How do you feel about Israelis electing Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, who also bombed the King David Hotel, as PM? How do you feel about Israel merging those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies? How do you feel about Israelis, to this day, celebrating those terrorists as "heroes"?
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@Analyst He outright said that a Trump win would be better for progressives. He peddled a delusional fantasy, in which a Trump presidency would cause a massive progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house (nope) and senate (nope), in 2018, and the presidency (nope), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left in voting against a Trump agenda (nope), rather than follow him into outright fascism (nope). And, when the danger of scotus seats coming up for grabs was put to him by Sam Seder, he tried gaslighting Sam (actual gaslighting isn't simply being dishonest, as Dore uses the term, it's being dishonest in an attempt to make someone feel or sound insane) with that moon falling into Lake Michigan comment (nope). If he convinced even one person in a swing state to vote Trump, not vote and let Trump win, or vote Green (he also peddled another delusion that Stein had a shot), then he helped Trump win.
Like a snake oil salesman, his words say he's selling you something beneficial, but what you're actually buying is something completely useless, or even harmful. Almost every action Dore peddles taking benefits the far right more than anyone else. He's the epitome of a grifter.
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@davidackerman6837 You mean like Jimmy, who has his own healthcare, and didn't care if promoting Trump as better than Clinton would lead to the ACA being repealed and millions losing theirs, including those with preexisting conditions? Like Jimmy, who promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice" aka public option) over Bernie, not supporting the better healthcare plan, and not caring if peeling away votes from Bernie could let Biden win? Like Jimmy, who spent the general running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if that would lead to total ACA repeal, and suddenly not supporting a public option that also included lowering of the Medicare age, which would add millions more to Medicare? Like Jimmy, who's backing a third party route that won't even get you a seat in congress in the next 50 years, let alone get you M4A, and could just be popular enough to split progressive voting and hand the Dem party totally back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying the healthcare system even more?
That guy doesn't give a flying fuck if anyone ever gets healthcare. Threatening to paralyze the house could just get you a paralyzed house, with corporate Dems blaming progressives for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., during a pandemic. Slandering progressive politicians, who just help add more yes votes to congress, just as the progressive caucus is an election or two away from becoming the majority of house Dems, when they can actually have the majority to pick the speaker, and then bring up progressive bills for votes as often as they like, is moronic.
Jimmy is a pro at overestimating the benefits and underestimating the risks.
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@edwardz.rosenthal9946 Stop pretending like Dore's "plan" actually gets you M4A now, or that he actually gives a crap if anyone gets healthcare. A failed vote won't get it now. It'll leave you still having to do exactly what AOC just did ... help get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress going against DCCC backed corporate Dems. You need to replace almost 100 people in the house alone.
Dore acts all impatient, but just as progressives are making gains, he doesn't mind trashing and slandering them, undermine their credibility as much as he can, and start from scratch with yet another third party, and maybe not even get a single house seat in 50 years (the Libertarian party will turn 50 in a couple years), let alone get M4A. He wouldn't mind possibly splitting progressive votes, reducing progressive gains in the Dem party, and letting Republicans and corporate Dems rule for decades. He just got done promoting Tulsi's "Medicare choice" (a public option) over Bernie's M4A. But then he spent the general basically campaigning against the guy offering a public option and a reduction in the Medicare age. Pretending like he desperately wants anyone to get healthcare anytime soon, is blatantly obvious nonsense. He's all over the place, and seems content with trashing everything, even small gains, or small improvements, and completely changing course every other year, effectively going nowhere.
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@edwardz.rosenthal9946 Yes, the ACA provided millions more with healthcare, and covered people with preexisting conditions. Not awesome, but a step forward. Republicans went nuts trying to repeal it. It even took an Obama veto of their repeal attempts in the end. So, a person who actually cared about those millions having healthcare wouldn't promote a Republican president, who'd sign a repeal, as a better option for progressives than Clinton in 2016. Dore did what he could to help Trump get elected, even promoting Stein as having a shot. He didn't give a crap if that meant millions could lose their healthcare.
During the 2020 primaries, he promoted Tulsi and her "Medicare choice" (public option) over Bernie and his M4A. He didn't give a crap if her plan wasn't as good as his. He didn't give a crap if he peeled off any progressive votes from the more viable candidate, and help Biden win. He didn't give a crap.
During the general election, he basically ran an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, Biden. Again he didn't care that Trump and Republicans were trying to gut the ACA, he didn't care about getting another small step forward with lowering the Medicare age and a public option (which he had just fucking supported with Tulsi). He didn't give a fuck.
The only way to possibly ever pass M4A is to get more yes votes in congress, which AOC just helped do. She used her platform and PAC to fight DCCC backed corporate Dems. She threw punches. They just punched her back, by not giving her the committee seat she wanted. Dore, the armchair general slandering her over a fucking tactics disagreement, is a coward stabbing her in the back. Jimmy doesn't have the balls to get out of his garage and run himself. Go ahead, try to get the forcethevote movement going, but if it doesn't happen, all the slander will have done is convince some idiots that they should abandon congressional progressives. Again, that's not giving two shits about the small gains of getting more yes votes in congress, not giving a shit about moving forward. Plus, he's stupid, and doesn't even make a proper risk assessment, which could backfire and hurt progressives and M4A.
On top of all that, he's ready to go with yet another third party, that likely won't even win a single seat in 50 years (the Libertarian party is turning 50 in a couple years), let alone get you M4A. He doesn't give a crap if that splits progressive voting, loses the gains made within the Democrat party, fully hands the party back to corporate Dems, and lets Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying even the public healthcare insurance there is. He doesn't give a flying fuck.
He's a fucking child, whose gets so impatient with small steps forward that he abandons them and changes directions, if that leads to small steps forward he again abandons them and changes directions, and so on ... in the end, Jimmy Dore will lead you nowhere. Maybe you could try to argue that he cares so much that he can't act rationally, but his actions indicate he doesn't give a fuck if anyone ever reaches destination healthcare.
Colossus? If spreading ideas across social media counts as fighting, then AOC completely destroys Jimmy in the only arena he fights in. Total annihilation. Her platform is worth about 40 of his. A single M4A tweet of hers is worth about 70 of his. It's nonsensical the number of Dore knobs who consider Jimmy to be "fighting" but consider her using her much larger platform to spread progressive ideas, including M4A, to be doing nothing.
We probably wouldn't be having this discussion without Bernie making M4A a mainstream talking point. Again, if spreading an idea counts as fighting, then Bernie is a champ. Disagree with his pragmatic lesser of two evils approach, but to also call him a "fake", "shill", "wimp", is just more bullshit slander. Dore doesn't actually give a fuck about getting anywhere.
Remember when the Tea Party ate their own Tea Party friendly politicians, and fractionalize the Tea Party itself? Me either.
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@edwardz.rosenthal9946 I'm plenty chillaxed. If you don't want to know what indicates he doesn't give a crap, don't ask.
Threatening to paralyze the house doesn't necessarily get rid of Pelosi anyway. Jimmy's whole idea is she folds and gives you the vote, for your vote... and you still have Pelosi. So why pretend like that's even the goal?
Even if she didn't give you the vote and you paralyze the house, corporate Dems in caucus can keep picking her over and over and over. How long do you keep paralyzing the house for, as they blame you for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extension, no new vaccine funding, etc.?
Jimmy has also argued she'd rather work with Republicans rather than progressives, and Kyle has said she's the queen of backroom deals. She could just make a backroom deal with Republicans, and give them something in exchange for enough of them to be absent, or abstain, from the vote, lowering the threshold needed for her to win (Dore doesn't even know how the vote actually works, even when he reads it aloud).
Also stop pretending like just adding more pro-M4A votes to congress is doing nothing. That would make Jimmy's plan ... have a vote and then do nothing. Dore knobs are incoherent.
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@edwardz.rosenthal9946 The US healthcare system is disgusting. The lack of support for those in need is disgusting. But, unless you can somehow change the way government works, or overthrow the government, getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass a bill. Getting more pro-M4A candidates elected, or converting enough candidates already elected, is the primary tactic, no matter what else is going on. Anyone working on that primary tactic isn't doing nothing, isn't a "shill", isn't a "sellout", isn't a "fake", and definitely isn't a "wimp", if they're in the swamp getting their hands dirty and trading punches in the actual political trenches.
This is all a debate about a secondary tactic, and whether it would provide more ammo, to accomplish the primary tactic. It's not going to get you M4A now. It's almost 100 votes short in the house alone, let alone the senate. So, what would it get you?
A list? You already get a new list of people in congress who won't sign onto the bill when it's reintroduced every new session, that need to be converted or replaced. You can already use that list to pressure them, protest them, or primary them. Why weren't the 100 extra Pro-M4A candidates Jimmy has lined up in the election that just happened? Why wasn't BJG organizing mass protests against anti-M4A candidates during the election that just happened? Why wasn't during the elections the time to act? Why isn't now the time to act, instead of after a failed vote?
Catch a few fakers? Who cares about trying to ferret out a few fakes, when you have 100+ people to convert or replace in the house and senate, already? There's already a lot of names to work with, without worrying about whether there's a few fakers, who wouldn't even have to expose themselves knowing it won't even pass the house.
Get a record of them outright opposing M4A to use against them? It took a single reporter's question to get Biden on public record saying he'd veto M4A. It didn't take threatening to paralyze the house. Plenty of these people have just campaigned and made public statements against M4A. So why isn't this being used against them already? What are Jimmy and his supporters waiting for? They could be doing whatever is supposed to spontaneously happen after a failed vote, right now.
A debate on the floor? That's the best reason I've heard. It could be used to inform the public and garner more support (only 36% of Americans want outright M4A, 26% want some private/public mix like a public option, and the others want the status quo or are complete Libertarian morons). But, the corporate Dem and Republican majority would also be using their debate time to misinform. Likely the corporate media, as well. It might be more productive to run some kind of pro-M4A information campaign directly to the public, where they don't also hear 3 anti voices, and a bunch of bad MSM press, per 1 pro voice. So, I'm more unsure on this point, and don't see the big benefit of the others.
So, for questionable gains, there are risks. If people desperately want M4A now, then they should already be doing most of those things already.
The DSA has been having M4A rallies. Get out to them, promote them, start your own.
The CBO (the government itself) just released a major study showing various types of single payer systems actually reduce overall costs. Spread the info.
If your rep's name isn't signed onto the M4A bill, demand to know why. If they won't budge, make sure to support a pro-M4A candidate against them. If there isn't one, find one fast.
What are all the impatient Dore fans waiting for? Do it right fucking now! Or are they just lazy armchair generals hoping a failed vote will spark others into rising up and doing it for them?
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@BamBamGT1 Blah, blah, blah. I can't believe all these moronic pro-colonialism arguments. Whatever you call the land, whatever you call the people, there were individuals living there. Ethnically cleansing them, to give the land to people from Europe and Russia, is colonialism. Colonialists are never not the aggressors. They are also racists and bigots.
In 1945, there was a massive land and peoples survey. Palestinians owned 84% of the land in the Jerusalem district. 96% in Hebron. 87% in Nablus. 78% in Tulkarm. 84% in Jenin. 87% in Acre. 77% in Ramle. Smaller majorities in 4 other districts, and pluralities in another 4. Nowhere were Jews the majority. Land was handed to the minority of inhabitants, 75% of the Jewish ones being non-native, and the majority population was ethnically cleansed ... at least enough so that the Jews could be a majority in "their" half, so they could fake being democratic.
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Since 2013, there have been hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple different NGO witnesses, independent investigations showing hundreds of chemical weapons uses, multiple legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, as well as the dozens of UN inspections (who never backed the US in Iraq, didn't even assign blame in reports as per Russia's demand, and have also found hidden stockpiles of chemical weapons unlike in Iraq). Aaron's Syrian "scandal" article could have been written by anyone, from anywhere in the world, with Wikipedia and a penchant for leaving out bits they don't like. Two part time "inspectors" (one wasn't even an official inspector, and the other never left home base because he didn't finish training), working on a single investigation at a single site doesn't actually debunk all that.
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@alwaysseeking940 I'm a f*cking Canadian who can read basic English, and knew Peterson was a bullshitter, from the get go. I'm a Canadian who knows Peterson had already been living, and working, under the law he gained celebrity status for opposing, for 4 years, at the provincial level ... and yet, he had zero examples of his slippery slope bullshit. I'm a Canadian who knows multiple other provinces also already had similar provincial level laws, and yet he had zero examples of his slippery slope bullshit from those provinces, either. I'm a Canadian who heard the numerous Canadian legal experts who debunked his slippery slope bullshit, many times over. He gained a following amongst ignorant American right wingers, who saw his bullshit videos and were completely clueless as to how the law actually works, in Canada. Peterson is a complete and utter moron, and apparently so are you.
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@barkrussell4083 @Bark Russell But you keep acting like those rules mattered in every election ever, when that's objectively just not the case. They've only mattered 5 times. The 2 times it happened in modern history, produced 2 of the dumbest presidents in US history. What was the upside?
You also keep inserting your subjective opinion about people, and accusing them of just being sore losers, when they accepted multiple losses, before, when electoral and popular gave the same result. The popular still would have given you Reagan and Bush Sr. It's specifically the fact that the electoral has trumped the popular, twice in the past 20 years, that people have a problem with. You can't seem to grasp that that happening makes people feel disenfranchised. It puts a spotlight on just how many millions of their votes don't matter. If you think feeling that way is simply being a sore loser then, again, I have to say you're not too bright for continuing to repeat it, and that has nothing to do with simply disagreeing on the mechanics of it all.
Also, the founding fathers weren't perfect. They disenfranchised over half the population (women and minorities, and even allowed for disenfranchising white men who didn't own property), and they didn't even require states to let the general population vote for president. Their rules allowed for state assemblies to just elect the president for everyone in the state, which happened in numerous states at the beginning. People in 1920 could have simply said that not letting women to vote has "worked" for 130 years, why change the rules now? Because the rules sucked.
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@edpachomovas3807 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@alexwalker5645 Rofl. Anyone who can count, should think that a jump from 76k to 103k, in 2019, is larger than a jump from 78k to 100k, in 2021, because it's just a fact. Anyone who can count, should think that border crossings have been increasing since April of 2020, and surpassed every month of 2018, starting in September, because that is also just a fact. Also just a fact is that, averaged out, there were as many, or more, border crossings per year under Trump than Obama. That's just reality.
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They make fortunes that size by not getting paid a taxable income, instead getting paid in stocks. Then, they take out loans, or lines of credit, neither of which count as taxable income, against those stocks, to live on. Even the "good" ones, like Gates or Buffett, who say "yes, tax me more" ... nobody is forcing them to use that tax dodge, but they do. They're leeches on society who avoid paying back into the society that helped make them wealthy, as best they can.
They make fortunes that size by not paying the workers, who made them wealthy, more.
They make fortunes that size by outsourcing to $2/hr workers in Chinese or Mexican sweat shops.
They make fortunes that size by automating away as many jobs as possible.
They make fortunes that size by not passing along any savings from stagnating wages, outsourcing, or automation, instead increasing their profit margins.
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@andrewwells6323 Exactly what I said before. You're arguing two shit paying jobs are better than one decent paying job, and you consider that a rise in the standard of living. For tens of thousands of people, it definitely was not. And, you're fucking stupid to try and blame it all on rising prices. If food costs stayed the same, but you were paid 1/6th what you were before, that's still a drastic reduction in standard of living. Food costs doubling just made something bad twice as bad. Food costs rising doesn't refute the fact that the power loom made things a lot worse for tens of thousands of people, or the fact that the jobs it did create were unskilled, poorly paid, with horrible conditions, and terrible hours. All things workers would then be forced to riot about in later years, because many greedy capitalist owners absolutely did not give a shit about paying workers decent wages, or even if they died on the job.
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@jasperjaguar5453 Didn't answer my question. What do you expect to get from it? The $15 got a vote, got a list of no voters from both the house and senate (M4A wouldn't even pass the house), and it only led to continued bitching by certain people about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting, and who voted for it.
I've seen Dore knobs mention the civil rights act, which was preceded by years of protests, had majority support in congress, but a minority filibustered to the end of session. It was immediately reintroduced, filibustered for 50 more days, and then passed by the majority that supported it all along, with nothing happening in the few weeks between sessions.
I've seen them mention women's suffrage, which was preceded by even more years of protests, was already adopted in multiple states, and also had majority support in congress on its first vote. Problem was it was a constitutional amendment, that needed a super majority. They, literally, held it back the next session, because they didn't think they had a super majority yet, and saw no need to have a purely performance art vote.
Are you thinking of those, or something else?
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@jasperjaguar5453 How does those bills not having votes before having majority support prove your point? You're making no sense, since those contradict the notion of having a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, that's about 100 votes short in the house alone. You still didn't answer my question. What did you hope to get from a failed show vote?
There's only one possible way to ever pass a bill, and that is to get enough yes votes in congress, either by converting or replacing those who don't currently support M4A. Adding more yes votes to congress is the only that will ever get you M4A. So, protesting, "pressuring" (slandering), and bitching, about those who already support it, have already signed onto it, is a total waste of time. It gets you nowhere.
Going third party, which hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, is the longest route you can take to your destination. And, fantasizing that third party candidates are perfectly perfect incorruptible people, when you have examples like Sinema, former Green party candidate, is idiotic.
If you don't want to keep adding yes votes to congress, I guess you could try storming the capitol, like Trump cultists.
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@edwardrosser938 I completely understood him to say ivermectin was an effective remedy, and preventative, on the Joe Rogan show. You didn't even seem to know he said it.
You keep saying shit like this, but who is "conforming without questioning"? I just get my questions answered by the vast majority of doctors and scientists, across the world. An ability to do math, that Dore seemingly lacks, and reading comprehension skills, that Dore seemingly lacks, also help.
Oops, looks like a Freudian slip, there, "I'm beholden to Dore".
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@sassyviking6003 The main "other" for fascists were socialists, communists, and unionists. Socialism was the primary thing that Mussolini argued fascism was opposed to, in the doctrine of fascism. His black shirts went after socialist enclaves throughout Italy, before his march on Rome. It's the main reason the King accepted him instead of fighting them off with the military. Musk has proven he is anti-union and anti-socialist.
Mussolini also argued fascism was opposed to democracy and that it wasn't pacifist. Musk has supported an anti-democratic coup by authoritarian military and police, that Morales, and many others, considered to be a fascist coup.
Fascists are fascists even before they attain positions of power, to control the media, or whatnot. Being in power is not an actual requirement. Even so, most MSM promotes capitalism and criticizes socialism. It may not be personally controlled by Musk, but it is controlled by those like him. So, it's already promoting the broader message someone like him would want it to promote.
Fascists were backed by large landowners, leading industrialists, and religious extremists. Musk being on multiple Trump task forces, and saying he was undecided who he would vote for in September, means he wasn't outright opposed to a cult leader that constantly trashed the media.
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@michaelburkey1968 The "nuance" is bullshit, because there's no such thing as Islam, without Muslims. Religions don't exist on their own. A "Muslim" is someone who practices some form of Islam. "Islam" is a religion practiced by Muslims. So, when he makes out like Islam is a singular horrible thing, he's making out like that's what all Muslims practice. If you say Islam is dangerous, and all Muslims practice Islam, how haven't you said something about all Muslims? You have. You've portrayed them all as possible ticking time bombs.
Yes , he promotes former Muslims, like Hirsi Ali, who says we're at war with Islam, that Islam needs to be defeated, even militarily, that there's no moderate Islam, etc. If every Muslim on the planet practices a form of Islam, what is that saying about all Muslims?
He was for Ted Cruz's picking Christian refugees over Muslim ones. He thinks Ben Carson ... who also was against the Muslim ban, but has said a bunch of other shit things about Muslims, and is an utter moron ... knows more about what's going on with Muslims in the world than Chomsky.
If you've got a reformed liberal Muslim, who still practices their form of Islam, and an ultra-conservative Wahhabi Muslim, who practices their form of Islam, and you say "Islam is the motherload of bad ideas", as if it's a singular unified thing, how does that not apply to both Muslims?
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@michaelburkey1968 Scripture =\= religion. We seem to grasp that with other religions. Religious people interpret things differently, give weight to things differently, cherrypick differently, include extra writings differently ... and it is the final product that is their religion. To say there's only one true way to follow a religious book to the letter, a) goes against over two centuries of non-theists arguing religious books are contradictory; and b) sides with the extremists making out like other Muslims aren't true Muslims. It's, literally, helping the extremists make their Not a True Scotsman argument. If you're going to help promote a single interpretation, why not pick the one you like best, rather than the one you like least?
It hasn't seemed to spook him about US foreign policy. Why, when Hezbollah or Bin Laden, list the US committing or complicity in ME atrocities, as reasons for their actions, doesn't Sam give a crap? He went on with Chomsky, defending US intent, and not seeming to grasp that the other side considers their intentions to be good, as well.
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Stop bullshitting. You don't care about others having healthcare.
In 2016, you promoted Trump as a better option, not caring if that might lead to the repeal of the ACA and millions losing their healthcare, including people with preexisting conditions. During the 2020 primaries, you promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice" aka public option) instead of Bernie (M4A), not caring about getting the better healthcare plan, and not caring that you might peel away enough votes from the more viable progressive and let Biden win. You spent the general basically running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if that would lead to the ACA being completely repealed, not caring if he killed thousands of more Americans, and no longer advocated for getting even a public option, or the Medicare age decrease that would put millions more on Medicare. Plus, you're promoting yet another third party that won't even get you a seat in congress in the next 50 years, let alone get you M4A, and could just split progressive voting enough to lose the gains they've made within the Dem party, handing it back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying the healthcare system even more.
If anyone is a "fake", "shill", "sellout", or whatnot, it's clearly you, Jimmy. AOC backed Bernie over Biden, Biden over Trump, and just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the only thing that will ever get M4A passed, failed show vote or no failed show vote.
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75-90% of people dying are unvaccinated. According to the very Gallup article Jimmy cited recently, the hospitalization rate for the unvaccinated is 89x higher than the vaccinated (then he went on to dishonestly compare those rates to a "death rate" that's based on totally different math and also a year and a half old). So, yeah, people not getting vaxxed are morons.
The UK has a totally socialized healthcare system, not just socialized health insurance. Their moron of a leader also didn't take it seriously, for some time, and they also had a shit result because of it. Some other countries with single payer health insurance, also had shit responses. They, and the US, all had pathetically low trace testing rates, testing fewer than 10 people per confirmed case, for months, allowing the virus to spread. Countries with high trace testing rates (50+ people per confirmed case), and a high percentage of the population following guidelines, like S Korea, Vietnam, Australia, New Zealand, and some others, had excellent responses. Their covid death rates would translate into 750+k fewer deaths, in the US. Even the death rates in countries with mediocre testing rates (15+ people per confirmed case) and somewhat better following of guidelines, like Canada, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Norway, and some others, would translate into hundreds of thousands fewer deaths, in the US. So, no, simply having universal healthcare didn't save a lot of lives, and yes, the go to covid measures can save hundreds of thousands of lives, if people follow them. People fighting and arguing against them are morons.
Jimmy is also a moron.
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@krook5158 It's not "what I think of Africa", it's a fact that the life expectancy of all of Africa is 63.
"October 30, 2020 -- A new study conducted by researchers at Imperial College London found the COVID-19 infection fatality ratio is about 1.15% of infected people in high-income nations and 0.23% in low-income nations."
"The disparity between high and low-income nations is due largely to facts that high-income nations tend to have larger number of elderly in their populations whereas low-income nations’ population tend to skew youngers."
Looking at the death rates in low income countries, with much lower life expectancies, is stupid and isn't an honest comparison to high income countries, with much higher life extectancies. But, I get that Dore knobs like being lied to.
The main cause of myocarditis is viruses, dimwit, including covid. Covid causes myocarditis at a higher rate than the vaccines. Plus, it's not a serious condition.
Specifically, the J&J and AZ vaccines, you mean. The mRNA vaccines have nothing to do with blood clots. There were 3 deaths definitely confirmed to be caused by the J&J vaccine, early on, in the US. Then, they figured out who it affects most and what to watch for. There haven't been any reported since.
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@thefaustiananointed6166 You didn't answer my question.
An absolute monarchy is a 100% privately owned and operated country ... purely capitalistic. Bringing down monarchs, taking their private property, and redistributing that property to the people, is what raised many people out of poverty.
Overthrowing capitalists, who thought owning other human beings was fine, and ending that practice, brought millions out of slavery and abject poverty.
Massive labor protests & riots against capitalist employers, leading to workers having more rights, and more of a say in what they're worth, brought millions out of abject poverty.
Imperial capitalists have made numerous countries poorer than they originally were. If you wipe out millions of natives, and toss the remainder into abject poverty, that you've improved the lives of the people you've replaced the natives with, doesn't equate to a net positive.
Capitalism has failed many times over, and fails people daily. Most of the people living in abject poverty, today, are living in countries that are right of center.
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@thefaustiananointed6166 Sorry, if I don't know the names of the millions of people who benefited from taking the property of a single person and redistributing it to the public. I'm sure one was named Charlie. If you think taking an individual's property and redistributing it, is a capitalistic action, then I don't know what to tell you.
While an individual step away from all out capitalism won't land you at the opposite extreme, it is still an economically socialistic move. What do you think centrist countries are in the center of, capitalism and ... ? What are they a fairly even mix of, capitalism and ... ? You know, the happiest countries in the world, with high standards of living, lower poverty rates, better education outcomes, better healthcare outcomes, etc.
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@thefaustiananointed6166 Rofl. What part of me describing the UK, the US, France, and other developed countries, moving away from absolute monarchies don't you understand, dimwit? Taking the American colony away from its private owner, King George, and redistributing it to the masses, or to public ownership, isn't a step towards all out capitalism. It's a step away from all out capitalism. If you're arguing that is "moving from poverty to a mediocre minimum shared by everyone", then the "capitalism" you think pulled more people out of poverty (that they were in due to capitalism) doesn't exist.
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@thefaustiananointed6166 No liberties with definitions, dimwit. At one end of the spectrum you've got 100% capitalism, at the other end you've got 100% socialism, and then you have a wide variety of mixes in between. Various actions will move you one direction, or another, making you more of one and less of the other. Taking a land owner's private property and redistributing it to the masses or holding it as publicly owned property, moving from private ownership over a nation to public ownership over a nation, isn't a capitalistic action.
If you took some corporation away from its owner and redistributed ownership to the masses, or held some in public ownership, if you took away their control over their corporation and gave control to the public, in what f*cking reality is that a capitalistic move?
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@gilbertlam9398 Fact is that Hamas is just a poor man's Likud. Likud was founded by Menachem Begin, Irgun terrorist leader who bombed the King David Hotel. The Irgun also bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Begin ... terrorist, child murderer, Jew murderer ... as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", platform, declares an intent to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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Knowledge: "facts, information, and skills acquired through experience or education", Oxford
Evidence: "the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid", Oxford
Both are facts and information. You aquire evidence and knowledge, you DO NOT form knowledge. Based on availaable evidence, or knowledge, you form a belief, or not.
Ahe-ist = strong, explicit
Agnostic = implicit, weak
Redefining the word Atheist has only convoluded things.
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Logically progressive Trump, and his cronies, have proved trolling on TV, or just about anywhere, is a thing. He had Republican presidential candidates arguing dick sizes at a debate, instead of issues. Sam didn't say not to respond, at all, so that's just a strawman. He knows it's an interview show, where two guests are each going to give opinions on things, and what each other are saying. Not letting a troll push your buttons, to get the reaction they want, doesn't equate to not responding. Sam is simply not a Nina, or a Cenk, or an Ana, and doesn't get very riled up when he's a guest on MSM.
Disagreeing with his approach isn't quite the same as making out like he's a racist who needs to "STFU", as in the above op.
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@jessea5044 Holy hell, I can see how you'd be a Dore fan. Those are simply facts, associated with being vaccinated. They are all included in the word "vaccinated". Being "vaccinated" means: having reduced odds of catching and carrying the virus (only breakthrough cases will possibly catch and carry the virus); having reduced viral load, even if you are a breakthrough case that catches the virus (the vaccine tends to make it a much milder case), and also a reduced time of being contagious (the vaccine speeds up recovery rates for breakthrough cases).
So, is it accurate to say, "You are not protecting anyone else, by getting vaccinated, you propagandist at The Hill."?
Is it not a fact that, all those things included with the word "vaccinated", does protect others, as well as yourself? If you are less likely to catch and carry the virus, aren't you less likely to pass it on to others? If you do have a breakthrough case, which is milder, with less of a viral load, aren't you less likely to pass on a severe case of the virus? If you do have a breakthrough case, but are contagious for a shorter period of time, aren't you less likely to spread it to as many people as an unvaccinated carrier?
Isn't that statement, by Jimmy, completely inaccurate?
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@theobsidiansimp8626 Well, from my perspective, I didn't know you replied to the wrong person, so the reply seemed to be a clear case of reading comprehension problems.
Half of the price of cigarettes is tax, in Canada. The goal is to keep increasing the tax until smoking is down to 5%. The government is outright making smokers pay more into healthcare, and trying to deter smoking down to almost nothing, with those taxes, plus bans in public indoor places, etc. Why shouldn't the unvaccinated both pay more, somehow, and be banned from public indoor places? Not having a variety of vaccines is enough to boot kids out of school. These covid anti-vaxxers are just spoiled brats.
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@rtorres4132 I'm just saying I don't know if there's any way to avoid the right continuing to move to the extreme. They could have just as easily gone Bernie to avoid a Hillary or Biden. Instead they went Trump. Even if a president like Bill Clinton covers all the usual right wing bases ... turn deficit into surplus, pay down the debt, lower unemployment, increase police, lower crime, even "defend" straight marriage, etc. ... they just find new nuttier talking points, and elect an idiot like W, and his panel of neocon nuts.
They've even been throwing their own under the bus, for not following the election insanity. Even FOX is now too tame for some of them. The Tea Party, before, did likewise. There's no other direction they seem willing to go.
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@cmoney2400able Paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house during a pandemic isn't actually very bright. And, forcing a vote when it's 100+ votes short in the house alone, is pretty pointless. Pelosi introduced the M4A bill just last session. It died in committees, where 90% of bills die. She has already reintroduced it this session, and it has gone to committees again. Put some pressure on committee members, if you want them to take up the bill. Pressuring (slandering) someone who has done more for M4A in 2 years than Dore has in his entire lifetime, is moronic.
Not her constituents money. Her PAC money. Oh no, she doesn't want progressives to be part of a minority party, with Republicans running the house. I get it. "Real" progressives prefer Republicans in charge (still waiting for the years late massive progressive wave that Dore said a Trump presidency would "for sure" lead to, and for the moon to fall into Lake Michigan).
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These super rich shits, living off stocks, aren't paying as much in taxes, as you make out. It is the lesser rich, with large taxable annual incomes, paying most of the 1%'s taxes. Nobody needs billionaires to continue existing, just to pay taxes. The rest of your argument was about them going to trickle down their wealth, by creating more businesses, jobs, and other bullshit, which they aren't really doing. Their wealth increased by $1.7t over the pandemic. Where's the $1.7t in new businesses, raised wages, expanding current businesses, charities, etc.? They need consumers with money, to exist. Plenty more taxes in other countries, and they keep their businesses there.
Nothing you blathered changes the fact that property taxes tax property, annually, not on sale, when the value is realized. Nor did you change the fact that "property tax" used to tax all property, and was effectively a kind of wealth tax, which worked just fine, before income taxes.
Why would it lower the value of the stock? It would put more stock up for sale, each year, and the value would depend on demand. It would be a way for others, including retirement plans, to buy more of the stock.
Inflation doesn't simply magically rise with money supply, all on its own, dimwit. People with more money want to buy more stuff. Instead of keeping prices the same and increasing supply to meet the new demand, businesses raise the prices until demand drops to meet supply. The problem was, first, allowing for supply to drop so much, during the pandemic, and giving more money to businesses than consumers. If they had given the money to consumers, they would have kept demanding stuff from businesses, who would have then kept up supply. If you hand the money to businesses, then they get paid for not having to sell/supply anything, and they can let supply drop. You're basically arguing that people need to be paid shit, so they can't demand more.
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@jonathanlubarsky2782 You're clearly not very bright. If 20% was 100% of the money in circulation before 2020, and then 80% of the money in circulation was printed after, that's a 400% increase, dumb dumb. You're claiming 4/5ths of the money was printed after. If 1/5th was 100%, then 4/5ths more is 400% more. If you can't do very basic math, then nothing else you say is reliable.
You're also completely ignorant, or completely dishonest, about Musk's stocks. It's not like he started with X amount of Telsa stock and that is what is now worth $200b. He has recieved multiple payments of stocks worth tens of billions. Tesla has just been taken to court over his last 4 year $56b compensation package. Tesla could just have easily handed that to its workers, who were the real people who reached the benchmarks. Other people have been f*cked over, to hand him hundreds of billions.
I stopped reading your pure bullshit, after that.
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@jonathanlubarsky2782 The point is that there was no bonus, that would have only been worth $50k per employee. The bonus was always going to be worth what it was worth. $50b divided by 110k employees, is a $450k bonus. I get that you don't grasp basic math, but do you grasp English? A "bonus" would be on top of anything else they made. It wouldn't be one or the other. There was $50b, that the company could have done with what they wanted. They did not give it to employees, so yes the employees missed out. They did not spread it amongst shareholders, so the shareholders missed out. They did not reduce their prices, so the consumers missed out. They did not invest it into expansion and hiring more people, as in your bullshit trickle down fantasy world, so hypothetical numbers of unemployed missed out. They did not donate it to charity, as in your bullshit trickle down fantasy, so hypothetical numbers of people suffering missed out. They did not cure world hunger, for a decade, so millions of starving people missed out. Nope. They handed it to one person. In what demented reality couldn't $50b have helped tons of other people? Those people all missed out, with the decision to hand that much wealth to one person.
The majority of Tesla employees don't make $450k in 4 years, btw: "The median Tesla employee made $56,163 in 2018, the electric-car maker said in a proxy statement."
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Total tests is irrelevant. Tests per million is irrelevant. Tests per day is irrelevant. None of those numbers tell you the rate you're testing against the virus spread. Tests per positive result tells you how many people you're testing beyond the confirmed cases. S Korea, for example, managed to flatten their curve by testing at a rate of 56 people per positive result. The US, on the other hand, is testing at a rate of 5.8 people per positive result ... about 10x less than S Korea. New York is testing at an absolutely pathetic 2.8 people per positive result. Cuomo is as incompetent as Trump. New Jersey is even worse, at 2 people per positive result. Many "leaders" of the "developed" world have shown themselves to be incompetent, when it comes to containing this virus. Sweden isn't even trying to contain the virus, and they're testing 5 people per positive result. France is testing at 2.8 people per positive result. The UK is testing 4 people per positive result. How do leaders both claim to be trying and have testing rates lower than a country that's not even trying to contain the virus?
Countries flattening or flattened: Norway, 20 per positive result; Iceland, 25 per positive result; S Korea, 56 per positive result; Australia, 68 per positive result; New Zealand, 91 per positive result
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@qinby1182 Dore and Mate have been blathering on and on about a completely irrelevant report. Not only do 2 dissenting opinions not actually debunk the report, the investigation didn't start until after Syria was bombed, the report didn't assign blame, and it didn't come out until almost a year after the fact. The report had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria.
There have been dozens of investigations into chemical weapons attacks, including an attack just the month before the one they keep whining about, that went through two rounds (no fault finding, and fault finding) of investigations. Almost all found fault with Syria. None had dissenting opinions.
You'd have to believe that UN inspectors (which didn't support the US' Iraq claims), numerous uninvolved countries (that opposed US interventions elsewhere), the Russian security Council member (who could have vetoed a ton more resolutions about Syrian inspections), numerous NGOs and human rights groups (that haven't supported US interventions), hundreds of Syrian victim witnesses, and dozens of Syrian healthcare worker witnesses, are all in cahoots to frame Syria, to think Syria hasn't been dropping chemical weapons on their own people, since 2013. That's beyond ridiculous.
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@qinby1182 Those "consequences" weren't based on the report.
Why do you think UN inspectors suddenly care if the US, or others, look bad? They did not care if the US, UK, and their little "coalition of the willing" looked bad in Iraq. In your fantasy, when did the US take over OPCW, exactly? What's the evidence ... just that you don't like their rulings against Syria?
No. It was not "doctored". Leaving things you don't think are relevant, from the final report, isn't "doctoring" it. The final ruling of the supreme court doesn't have to include everything that was said, and done, in the courtroom. And, dissenting opinions on the ruling don't actually debunk the ruling.
Oh geez. Doctors Without Borders have provided their own witnesses before, and regularly communicate with hospitals and healthcare workers, not ISIS, ffs. Other major NGOs (that have opposed US interventions) have communicated with people on the ground. There are human rights legal groups, working out of neutral countries, building cases for victims. Just how big is your fantasy conspiracy, of all these people working with ISIS? How many countries and organizations, exactly? Is it just anyone who disagrees with you must be working with ISIS? Is that how it works?
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@qinby1182 I didn't ask why it was in the US', and others', interests, I asked about UN inspectors. UN inspectors did not support the US and UK, before, in Iraq. Why is it in their interests to flip and suddenly support them? If the dozens of UN inspections were all fake, why didn't Russia veto more resolutions?
The US hadn't bombed Syria for each of the other dozens of chemical weapons attacks, including the one just the month before (which, again, went through two rounds of investigations, with zero dissenting opinions). Why would they think anything would be different?
You bring up the point that it would still be a war crime for the US to unilaterally bomb Syria. That's the thing that Dore and Mate don't seem to get, that they're two seperate issues. Someone can both accept that Assad is a horrible dictator, that has committed numerous human rights abuses, including using chemical weapons, and also not support countries unilaterally deciding to bomb other countries. They seem to think that if anyone accepts the former, then they're automatically in favor of US bombing, some kind of CIA shill, or whatnot.
What was the evidence that numerous NGOs, human rights groups, neutral countries, UN inspectors, dozens of Syrian healthcare workers, and hundreds of Syrian victims, have been working in cahoots with ISIS, to frame Syria, this whole time?
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That was the context of asking for emergency funds for a wall, for a crisis right at the border, that a $20b wall would fix ... not the context of asking for funds for beds, food, toothbrushes, etc., for a crisis inside the border, inside state run facilities. And, all you have to do is process them faster, and there'd be no crisis. Trump, on the other hand, is slowing down the process, and even going to court to try and hold people indefinitely, before any attempt to fix overcrowding.
A wall wouldn't even be finished, likely not even started in most places. You'd have $20b set aside for a stupid wall, and be in the same situation.
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@pickettmandi My comment keeps getting hidden.
Whatever you think of the current progressives in congress, the 30 year old progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems, and the 6 year old Justice Dems have 11 seats. Meanwhile, the most popular third party, Libertarian, hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 50 year existence, and Green hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. And, as long as the right is united, draining votes away from their opponents will just let them rule for decades (centuries?) to come, until you can grow your third party to their size, and become the second main party. Might as well just keep trying to take over a party that is already their size.
Third party hasn't been the way to go, for over 150 years. FDR, Civil Rights, abortion, gay rights, changing the Democratic party's stance has worked multiple times.
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Get rid of Ben Gleib. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@sal2975 Don't think anyone is arguing it's the majority, but it's likely a lot higher than what is known. There has been a bunch of cops beating the hell out of someone, and all their body cams just showed chaos, because they were shaking back and forth so much, and them all yelling "Stop resisting!", meanwhile a security cam showed the guy laying on the ground doing nothing as they were all kicking the crap out of him. There has been a body camera accidentally turned on instead of off and catching a cop framing a guy. There have been multiple, oops the camera wasn't on, got unplugged, or fell off dangling and not showing what's happening. Plus, even when a body cam catches a cop shooting someone in the back, juries often still buy the cop's bullshit story, if the cop is even prosecuted, which they often aren't, and their bullshit is deemed justified without even having a trial.
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@Halon's Razor If you don't like lowering taxes 100%, for some strange reason, how about this ...
Person A is below the poverty line, making $10k a year and paying 10% taxes ($1000).
Person B is making $1m a year and paying 10% taxes ($100k).
If you lower both of their taxes by 10%, person A gets to keep an extra $100, and person B gets to keep an extra $10k. But, that's $10100 no longer going towards things like education, Medicaid, affordable housing, SNAP, disability, etc.
How does that only hurt the government, and benefit the one in poverty?
Why do capitalists detest the poor, so much?
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@bikeman78 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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Likud was created by Zionist terrorist, Menachem Begin, who bombed Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism), and bombed the King David Hotel. The other founder was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages. Their initial platform stated that their goal was for Israel to rule from the sea to the Jordan (reverse of, from the river to the sea). Netanyahu has proven that that still seems to be the goal, with the endless colonization of the West Bank. Netanyahu also promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization projects. The end of violence would mean that Israel might have to pull back, plus allow the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Peace is against Likud's interests.
So, why not the exact same demand that Likud be removed?
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@danielbaroni4166 If you justify killing Palestinian civilians, for the actions of Hamas, then you've likewise justified killing Israeli civilians, for the actions of Netanyahu. Congratulations.
Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Much of the developed world failed at containing the virus. Not as bad as the US, but they also didn't take it seriously enough, early on. It's the tests per confirmed cases rate, which tells you how much trace testing is going on. When I first looked at those numbers, countries, like S Korea, New Zealand, and Australia, that flattened their curves quickly, were testing 50+ people per confirmed case. The US was testing 5 people per confirmed case ... a 10x slower rate of testing. NY and NJ were testing 4 and 3 people per confirmed case, below the already pathetic US national average, so I don't get why some people praise Quomo. He's as incompetent as Trump. That 5 per confirmed case rate was on par with Sweden, who wasn't even trying. The UK and France were also testing at 4 and 3 rates. Italy and Spain were both testing under 10. Germany and Canada were testing about 15. Other Scandinavian countries were testing about 20. The US has always been testing too few people per confirmed case, to be able to get ahead of the virus. Trump brags about total tests, or tests per million, but those numbers are completely disconnected from case numbers. I'm pissed at our Canadian leaders. Americans should be irate, and storming the capital.
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If you notice the date, when the US housing prices went down, it's because we didn't have that 2008 housing market crash, or banking crisis, here in Canada. Our recession wasn't quite as bad. So, there's both bad, and good, that goes with that. A lot of Americans lost their homes, due to foreclosure, which didn't happen here. We definitely need to provide more affordable housing, though. This is unsustainable.
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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Which came first, Irgun/Lehi/Likud or Hamas? Likud was founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists. Israel merged those terrorists into their military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected the leaders of both those terrorist groups as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Likud's platform (1977), "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq.
But, do go on, about how colonizing, ethnic cleansing, occupying, warmonger, terrorists, who operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, "has to protect themselves". Those Nazis sure "had to protect themselves" against ghetto uprisings and resistance groups.
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@joshualocicero6799 Feudalism started up outside the boundaries of a state. With no government of the people above them, private individuals, with their private armies, claiming private property, went around doing whatever the hell they liked. You do know that monarchies are private enterprises, right?
It happened again in the US, on the Western frontier. Beyond the rule of law and government, some nice little settlements popped up, but so did cattle barons. They hired their private armies of cowboys, and threw their weight around. They got into wars with farmers and sheep herders. It only came to an end with the law and military moving in. Some places it went on into the 20th century. Without that intervention, it would have just continued.
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@joshualocicero6799 Me: explains how capitalist communities without law and order also devolved into feudalism on the Western frontier.
You: you didn't explain how ancap devolves into feudalism.
An absolute monarchy is not really a government. It is a form of governance not much different than a private corporation. The owner of the company claims property and resources. They can make rules for living on their private property. They can charge whatever rent they want on their private property. They can hire private security to enforce the rules and collect the rent on their private property. They can hire private militaries to protect their private property and interests. Etc. There are zero rules against any of that in ancap. It's like owning a very large apartment building without government interference. To say none of that is okay under ancap is to say people can't own apartment buildings, set rent, make rules, and protect said apartment, under ancap.
Now, if two of these folks have differences, there is no legal body they have to answer to, to settle the dispute. They can settle it anyway they want. If they can't come to a private agreement, then they may pit their private armies against each other. If one apartment owner claims the neighbouring apartment is also theirs, what governing legal body will settle the dispute? None.
If the US switched to ancap tomorrow, is there any rule saying Amazon, and other corporations, can't buy up as much of the US military as they can afford? No.
What is wrong with a direct democracy? How would you ever decide to go ancap without at least one vote? Lol
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@joshualocicero6799 Well, these corporations already exist, and already own tons of property and resources. What would you do, force them to disband, before going ancap? And, they're either paying billions a year in taxes, which they could divert to security without a tax system in place, or they're already dodging taxes and accumulating billions a year, which they could divert to security. They wouldn't have to pay employee health care, and could divert that, as well. They wouldn't be required to follow safety or environmental regulations, and could cut costs by using cheaper less safe materials, or methods, and dump waste in the nearest river, or whatnot, and divert that money, as well. It's also giant corporations making the vast majority of weapons and military equipment. Why wouldn't those corporations team up with other corporations to keep the elite in power, even without a government? It seems, to me, that they'd likely form alliances, and wouldn't go down without a fight, including fighting alternative markets and small competitors.
Would this also happen in a bubble, on a global scale, or would there be foreign governments they could also team up with, to help throw their weight around? Would it be somehow illegal, and somehow enforced, to team up with foreign militaries?
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@gbangerlove I proved exactly what I said about Nazi propaganda was not wrong, with a factual quote, you daft twatwaffle. Joshua proved he has no clue what an ad hom is, proved he has reading comprehension problems, proved he doesn't actually know how Musollini defined fascism ... which I also provided factual quotes for, proving what I said ... proved he doesn't know how fascism played out in action, proved he doesn't know Spencer's position on everything relevant to economics, etc. Not sure what you're reading. Lol
If you think all the other developed countries in the world, which have public health care ... if you think all their conservative parties, which also support said public health care ... which Bernie wants to emulate, are far left, then you're dumber than a fucking stump. Spain has communist politicians in its Left United coalition, that outright want to work towards ending capitalism outright. That's far left you twit. Bernie has never said anything even remotely close.
Those are the facts. You must just be so far right that you can't see beyond centre and think that's far left.
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@rs72098 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@robertbaur3145 Comparing some websites to air is itself a little insane. Plenty of people still don't use social media, don't us one or the other, get sick of one or the other and stop using them, etc. People don't tend to not use, or stop using, air. Sure, they are big. Sure, they are popular. Sure, they have worldwide reach. But, social media are not only private property, they're actually private social clubs, with memberships, and you have to agree to tos to get a membership. They truly aren't even as public as a mall, that you can freely walk in and out of without having to sign an agreement, let alone a public square.
Private clubs have been revoking memberships their entire existence. Getting banned from the most popular private club down the street isn't even close to being banned from every single club, or being banned from the street, and not even in the same universe as being banned from air. Nobody would bat an eye, if Trump lost his golf club membership, for wandering into the women's change room one too many times.
Like I said, I'm all for public ownership, but if the right wing private property capitalists aren't, then they should quit f*cking whining about the world they created. Rand Paul's ideal right-libertarian world would hand corporations unlimited freedom and power to do the very thing they're doing. For him to keep a membership at one private club, for the sole purpose of coming back to it, to whine about it, and to promote the new private club he belongs to, is pretty sad. If this were my club, I'd perma ban him, for publicly announcing that's all he was going to use my club for.
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@Arcexey Sorry to waste all your effort, but I stopped reading, after your first three bullshit "points".
She, and other progressives, f*cking run on not having corporate donors, and that their opponents do. They've talked about it constantly, repeatedly, push bills trying to end it.
She outright said what was happening at the border was still barbaric. Idiots don't seem to have listened to more than a 1 min soundbite.
She campaigned for Bernie, trying to actually have an M4A president. She used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress, and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. She was just campaigning for Nina, still promoting M4A, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. You know that getting enough yes votes is the thing that needs doing to ever pass the bill, right? Where were these supposed Republican M4A candidates, that Trump was promoting and backing?
I can just imagine that the rest was just a lot more bullshit.
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Max Miller considers this to be Judaism?
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism. All the Zionists, and their supporters, who are justifying slaughtering civilians, are the people who are truly justifying the Hamas attack, because they're wrong about who the actual aggressor is. Like Ben Shapiro, arguing it was okay for the Allies to intentionally target the most densely populated parts of Dresden, or drop bombs on Japanese cities ... If he insists, but Israel (colonizer, ethnic cleanser, occupier, ghetto operator, ethno-state) is actually Nazi Germany in the WWII analogy.
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He's the one who promoted Trump (platform: toss 10m+ of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). If he convinced even one person in a swing state to let Trump win, then he benefited Republicans.
He peddled Tulsi "I'm a hawk" Gabbard (public option) over Bernie (M4A). If he convinced anyone to not vote Bernie, then he helped Bernie lose.
After spending months outright promoting a non M4A candidate over an M4A candidate, he then slandered progressives, that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", if they didn't support his "plan" to get a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote on M4A. Slandering progressives only benefits corporate Dems and Republicans.
Then, after making out like disagreeing over a single, largely pointless, secondary tactic was enough to declare other progressives weren't allies, he peddled a far right ancap Boogaloo, who agrees on next to nothing, outside a handful of anti-authoritarian issues, as a potential ally. The only benefits a psycho right wing extremist group that wants to start a civil war. Dimwit Dore just doesn't seem to grasp who they'd be shooting in their fantasy civil war.
Now he's peddling vaccine misinformation, pandering to Trump cultists.
What does he actually do, that benefits the left?
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@SR-lh4rm Rofl. You think that, exactly because you're as clueless as Yang. Moreso. So clueless, in fact, that you can't even tell you're making arguments that are totally irrelevant. It doesn't matter if a VAT is flexible, and different countries can have different rates, have different lesser rated goods and services, have different zero rated goods and services, and different exempt goods and services. All of that is totally irrelevant.
Part of the core design of a VAT (so when someone says "VAT", this is part of what makes it that very thing) is that it's specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation (double taxation would be worse, dumb dumb, and arguing for some other tax, that's not a VAT, that you're calling a VAT, that would allow for double taxation, would be moronic).
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@SR-lh4rm Rofl! You are so far beyond stupid it's ridiculous. A VAT is basically a sales tax, collected in stages, with all the business stages getting paid back. The businesses collect output VAT from consumers. They pay themselves back for any input VAT they've paid on any goods and services. Then they send the difference to the government. Yes, the government likes paperwork, showing it has all been done properly. No, that doesn't mean my business has ended up paying anything, if it was totally paid back for its input VAT. The entire VAT ends up being paid by the final consumer, just like a sales tax. A 10% VAT and a 10% sales tax both bring in the same revenue for the government, and are both ultimately paid by the final consumer. Both also have businesses collecting tax for the government, and sending that money to the government, and neither counts as the damn businesses paying the taxes.
Stop flinging shit and hoping it sticks, and just accept you're completely clueless about the entire process.
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@SR-lh4rm Again ... you're spouting crap that's irrelevant to the fact that a VAT doesn't tax businesses, Yang wrongly claims it does, and even posted a pass through study proving most of his VAT page to be complete bullshit.
Can the Yang Gang actually math?
X = output VAT (collected from consumers)
Y = input VAT (paid to other businesses)
X - Y = Z
If Z > 0, the business keeps Y, paying themselves back, before sending Z to the government.
If Z < 0, the business keeps X, and the government refunds Z, paying the business back.
How much in taxes does the business end up paying, in the end, either way?
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@SR-lh4rm What a lying twat you are. I didn't say they were "interchangeable" terms. Yes, it is basically a sales tax, for the reasons I mentioned, that you didn't address, in favour of another strawman, implying I said they were exactly the same thing.
And, another lie. I'm arguing it doesn't tax businesses, like Yang claimed. He's outright clueless, or lying. Not sure why your tiny brain equates that to getting rid of it. If giant corporations don't pay into the UBI, through the VAT (as he claims, and as is what happens in Alaska, which he constantly compared his dividend to), then they only get the benefit of trillions being spent, making them, and their owners, extra tens of billions a year, funneling money to the very top faster than ever before.
Rofl!!! No, a VAT can't strictly be B2B, dimwit. Then it wouldn't be a "VAT". You're inventing something new and stupid, that would allow for double taxation, which would be worse, and calling it a "VAT". You're pulling shit straight out of your ass.
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@eddieisfiction That was not at all, all he said (and Trump has dropped more bombs than Obama, btw). He claimed Trump beating Clinton would be better for the progressive movement. He claimed it would lead to Dems "for sure" taking both the house and senate in 2018 (and not just any Dems, but progressive Dems who would advance the "progressive agenda"), and to a progressive president in 2020. Aside from vastly overestimating the benefits, he vastly underestimated the risks, claiming many Republican lawmakers would side with the left, and block Trump's agenda, and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan. He also didn't show an ounce of caring that a Trump (running on complete ACA repeal) presidency could possibly toss 10m of the poorest Americans off Medicaid expansion, or caring to add 40m Americans to Medicare (Clinton ran on lowering the age to 55), but has now crowned himself the one true champion of healthcare.
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@shylanambiar4316 Right. Right. So horrible that they had what was considered a "Golden Age", under Muslim rule. The dreaded tax ... that sent none of them fleeing in trrr, for over 1200 years, and led to the First Znst congress wanting to create a home for Jws ... in a Muslim Empire.
Yes, the RU pgrms and the Nz Hlcaust, both done by Christians, was horrible. My grandfather was in the Danish resistance, that helped get almost all the Jws out of Denmark. They, like other resistance groups across Europe, were considered trrrists, by the Nzs.
History has no record of the majority of the population in Pal ever leaving. And yet, it became majority Christian, and then majority Muslim. How did that happen, I wonder? Pals have Canaanite DNA. They are Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. They are the Hebrews that never left. And the few that neither left, nor converted, were targeted right alongside their Pal brothers and sisters by the Irgun and Lehi trrrists. Those would be the same trrrist founders of Likud, that Einstein considered to be on par with Fscsts and Nzs.
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@michaelknight2897 "Lastly, but by no means least, Herron finished nearly 30 minutes in front of the fastest male athlete, Arlen Glick. He placed second in 13:10:25.This may seem surprising – after all, there are very few examples in mainstream sports where a female athlete has overcome a male opponent. But, in the world of ultra-endurance sport, women beat men on a relatively regular basis.Back in January 2019, British ultra-runner Jasmin Paris became the first woman to win the 268-mile Montane Spine Race in the UK.She finished the course in 83:12:23, obliterating the course record by 12 hours. She was still breastfeeding her daughter at the time, and even stopped off mid-race to express milk.Paris’s nearest opponent, a male athlete, finished 15 hours behind her.Five months later, British junior doctor Katie Wright won the Riverhead Backyard ReLaps Ultra-marathon in New Zealand. She ran almost nonstop for 30 hours, beating 40 men and six other women."
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@AclockworkPurple You're not very bright. Jews lived relatively peacefully with Muslims for 1300 years. Muslim nations took them in, when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. All the tension started with Zionist colonialism. It's the Zionist colonialism that's based on religious nonsense, and some fairy tale "god given" right to the land. Palestinians are reacting like every single other native population in history, reacted to colonialism. Ze'ev Jabotinsky, in 1923, fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care about them.
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@AclockworkPurple On top of the colonialism, Zionists also formed terrorist groups, like the Irgun and Lehi, who bombed many Palestinian markets, killing civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
Israel has over 400k militants (reservists) hiding amongst their civilians, using them as human shields. Due to mandatory service, almost every single Israeli is, was, or will be, a militant. Israel has been used to fight the US' proxy wars. They don't ratify any international law, and are a rogue state, that can do things the US can't.
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@AclockworkPurple What historical perspective is skewed? That's factually what happened.
Israel created the religious extremists. The PLO was secular. Netanyahu himself propped up Hamas, and sent money to Hamas. End Israel's operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, and there's no drive for Palestinians to get behind what some see as a resistance group. Merge the Gazan Palestinians with the more secular, and more populated, West Bank, and its more secular laws. And, again, when it comes to the conflict, Palestinians are simply reacting the way all natives react to colonialism, or all people react to severe oppression. Religious extremism has little to do with that.
In what reality were a bunch of Zionists from Russia and Germany, whose ancestors left 1700 years earlier, fighting for "their" land? That's like saying I can round up 6 million people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, and go "fight for my land", claim half or more of the country, and boot off the current inhabitants. It's a nonsensical notion. The only support Zionism had for this nonsensical notion, is a fairy tale.
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@BABAYAGA-82 Rofl. Right wingers let one guy convince tens of millions of them not to believe any media, any judges, any lawyers, any law enforcement, any intelligence agencies, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses ... anybody ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradict him, Supreme Shepherd Trumpty Dumpty.
Here, amongst progressives, the vast majority simply voted Biden to get rid of that nutjob, not because they particularly like Biden all that much.
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Everyone supporting Likud should be censured.
Likud was founded by Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun terrorist group, murderer of civilian Palestinian men, women, and children, murderer of Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism), and bomber of the King David Hotel. Israelis elected that terrorist as their PM. Israelis still celebrate those terrorists, as "heroes", to this day.
Likud was also founded by Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages.
Likud's original platform, "between the sea and the Jordan" ...
"The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
There is zero indication that Likud, Netanyahu, isn't still working towards that goal, with the endless colonization of Palestine territories.
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Moron. They still work the same way, whether paper or digital.
Treasury bill ...
"or to any federal reserve bank" "this treasury bill is issued by a federal reserve bank"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Treasury_security#/media/File%3A1969_%24100K_Treasury_Bill_(front).jpg
Treasury bond ...
"or at any federal reserve bank or branch"
https://1ea36881-a-62cb3a1a-s-sites.googlegroups.com/site/financialportfoliowg/treasury-bond/1977TreasuryBond.jpg
Treasury note ...
"or at any federal reserve bank or branch"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Treasury_security#/media/File%3A1976_%245000_8%25_Treasury_Note.jpg
Moron. They say they're not a for profit organization, themselves. Go argue with them, dumbass. Ask them where they're getting their shit from, idiot.
"It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution."
"The Reserve Banks are not operated for profit, and ownership of a certain amount of stock is, by law, a condition of membership in the System."
"The holding of this stock, however, does not carry with it the control and financial interest conveyed to holders of common stock in for-profit organizations."
https://www.richmondfed.org/faqs/frs?cc_view=mobile
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@conradveigt5995 A cult is when one guy convinces tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any other politicians, any judges, any lawyers, any election officials, any law enforcement, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses ... anybody ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradict that guy.
It's not unanswered, nutbar.
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@roberttelford745 Manchin has more power because of math, btw. There are zero extra votes to be gained moving left, because there's nobody to the left of the most progressive members. There is the entire Republican party on the right. If push comes to shove, the right side wins. For example, if the $15 min went into house-senate negotiations, with Manchin pushing $11, and a number of Republicans willing to sign on for $10, guess which way negotiations would go? And, if $11 or $10 were passed, then minimum wage would likely be considered dealt with, until 2025. As is, now people should be pressuring Manchin, and the other 7 conservative senators. Then, reintroduce a stand alone minimum wage bill, if you can push them left, rather than let them take negotiations right.
I wouldn't hold your breath, while you're waiting for Jimmy.
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"Enlightened centrism" is biased, if it goes against objective reality. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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In those hours, did he mention that a VAT was a way to tax giant corporations, like Amazon? A VAT is actually specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid cascading taxes upon taxes. Businesses get to reclaim their input VAT from their output VAT. Only the final consumer can't do that and ends up paying the entire VAT.
In those hours, did he compare his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by corporations? Yang already admits that giant corporations aren't paying taxes through standard taxation, and he proposes a different tax that also won't tax them, so giant corporations wouldn't be paying for, or even into, his dividend, at all. They'd only get the benefits of extra trillions a year being spent, funneling money to them, and their big shareholders, faster than ever before.
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@johnpaulzagami52 "The study was misinterpreted and, when you give it a very quick glance, you see how that would happen," Dr. Jessica Justman, an associate professor of medicine in epidemiology at Columbia Mailman School of Public Health, told ABC News. "It's looking at interventions that tried to promote the use of different kinds of protective equipment, such as masks, and the outcomes are all going to depend on how well people actually adhere to the particular type of protective equipment."
She continued, "So, it's not as much a study of the mask but a study of the intervention to get people to wear a mask."
"We already have information from other studies that show almost a dose-response relationship between wearing no mask at all, wearing a cloth mask, wearing a surgical mask and wearing an N95," Justman said. "As you go up the ladder, so to speak, with each step of a better-quality mask, you see more protection."
One example is a study published in February 2022 by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention examining those who said they wore masks all the time in indoor public settings.
Researchers found cloth masks were associated with a 56% decrease in testing positive for COVID-19, surgical masks by 66% and N95/KN95 masks by 83% compared to those who didn't wear masks or face coverings.
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@clintholmes2061 If a house speaker isn't elected, the house is paralyzed. The clerk can only hold the house speaker election. No bills would be brought up to vote on. Corporate Dems could just keep putting up Pelosi as their candidate for speaker, and if you keep making protest votes for someone else, the house will stay paralyzed. No bills being voted on is not samesies with one bill not being voted on, dumb dumb. That's what would bring more media attention and magnify the intensity of the propaganda, so not samesies on that front, either.
It's majority of votes cast, not majority of the house. You don't need any Dems to vote for McCarthy. You just need enough no shows, or abstentions, to lower the threshold needed to win. Have 9 corporate Dems play sick. Have 3 threatening to abstain. If all Dems present don't vote Pelosi, McCarthy could win. If those 3 think you'll fold and end up voting Pelosi, and you do, then they vote Pelosi too, and she wins. If they think you'll stick to your guns, and you do, they abstain, and McCarthy wins (assuming he gets all Republican votes).
Not sure someone who doesn't know how the government works can swat away anything on the topic.
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@d3fec767 Aside from his rise to fame, based on complete bullshit, proving he was a grifter, from the get go ...
He also proved he was a grifter, by peddling his daughter's all meat diet as a cure for anxiety and depression, on Rogan's show, claiming he no longer needed drugs, and hadn't taken any for 6 months. That was a few months before being sent to Russia, to be forced into a coma, to break his addiction to the very drugs he claimed he no longer needed.
His drug addiction, and mental health problems, also proved he was a grifter, that didn't believe in his own rules, about putting your own house in order, before telling others what to do.
He is, objectively, a con artist, proven numerous times.
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@user-nc9pc3gr4c Lol, yes, that's what religions have been, Mickey Mouse. It was "ingrained in us"? We used it to explain that the sun was being pulled across the sky by a "god", that rain was product by a "god", that the Earth was created from the body of a dragon by a "god", etc., etc., etc. That we did a stupid thing, for millennia, isn't evidence it's right. Who knows, what came before, if anything, or if things have been cycling in an eternal collapse and regrowth. Your own belief, that a being can exist from nothing, or eternally, without being created, supports the argument that something can exist from nothing, or eternally, without being created.
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@NessaBear90 History: In 1918, Ben-Gurion fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and also predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the native response to said colonialism would be to fight it until the bitter end.
On top of the colonialist foundation, another building block was Zionist terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets, amongst other things, killing many Palestinians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into their new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel, as PM. To this day, Israelis celebrate those terrorists as heroes. They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
In the West Bank, colonialism continues, using the blueprint for the colonization of North America. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives react violently, cry about being poor "innocent" colonizers attacked by "savages", call in the cavalry to squash the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat.
In Gaza, Israel operates an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, and then cries when there's a Warsaw style ghetto uprising.
It really is a sickening country.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@deej20007 Spending months supporting Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A), and then quickly turning around and making out like even just not supporting a secondary tactic for a performance art vote on M4A makes someone a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", etc., slandering people who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime.
Then, after slandering anyone who didn't support his secondary tactic, making out like that single thing meant they were no longer allies, turned around and promoted allying with psychotic extreme right ancap Boogaloos, who want to start a civil war, and who agree on next to nothing when it comes to the economy and social programs, including being completely against M4A.
Pretending AOC ever ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house. She never did.
Slandering AOC and Bernie, claiming they had abandoned M4A, while they were campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying hard to add another M4A advocate to congress. Meanwhile, it was Dore who abandoned Nina Turner, on air ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress.
Claiming the vaccine doesn't protect anyone else but the person vaccinated. If you're much less likely to get infected, or even if you carry a smaller viral load and are contagious for a shorter period of time, if infected, those all help protect people around you better.
Dishonestly misrepresenting an article showing how more contagious viruses can be deadlier to a population, even though they might not be deadlier on an individual level.
The dishonesty that Shaun pointed out, that can't all be blamed on a producer making a stupid mistake. Completely changing the meaning of an article, and skipping over all the bits that go against your narrative, isn't a mistake. That's the kind of thing you do, when you know that's what your boss is looking for.
Dore is a f*cking grifter, who benefits the far right, more than the left.
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@deej20007 There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use, since 2013. There have been numerous no fault investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been numerous fault finding investigations, with zero dissenting opinions. Two dissenting opinions, on a single investigation, doesn't actually debunk that single investigation, let alone all the others. That investigation that he, and Aaron, keep blathering about, wasn't even started until after Syria was bombed, it was an initial no fault investigation and didn't even assign blame on Syria, and the final report wasn't finished until almost a year after the US bombed Syria. The report had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria, but they keep blathering on and on about it, as if it played a roll.
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@AwesomeBlackDude You're moving the goalpost. You were talking about bombing. That Military Times article was inauguration day. Trump had been bombing Somalia all along, and he never withdrew all troops. He didn't end a thing. Biden didn't start a thing. Biden, on the other hand, did pull all troops out of Afghanistan, and Dore still bitched about him.
Biden has always supported HR1, which benefits third parties with matching funds, if they have the minor support requirement. Why would you expect him to veto something he has supported all along, ffs? That's moronic.
The bill to decriminalize marijuana has been introduced. Is your complaint that Biden hasn't got congress to operate faster?
A one time $2000 pledge isn't a UBI, dimwit. Again you're moving the goalpost. Yeah, he was $600 short. Too bad McConnell and Dumpty hadn't voted and signed the HEROES Act through.
Biden has forgiven $10b in student loans, ffs. It's not yet what he pledged, but it's also not "no student debt forgiveness".
Please stop pretending like he pledged to do things he didn't, and isn't working on some of the others. Also, stop moving your goalposts. You're obviously lying about a number of things, and moving the goalpost won't save you.
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@patmahinie5728 Mueller laid out some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion), that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy. The report said they didn't charge Jr and Kushner with criminal conspiracy because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law. Were the DNC, the FBI (headed by Republican picks for 6 of the last 10 presidential terms), Republicans like Mueller and Romney, and Australian officials, all in cahoots to make elected VP, Mike Pence, president?
That seems a bit different than saying "Oooo numbers changed ... Fraud!!!!", never conceding, and trying to prevent the election from being certified to keep an unelected dictator in power.
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Yang doesn't know how his key tax, a VAT, actually works. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation. It's a sales tax, collected in stages, with the business stages all getting paid back their input VAT.
Because a VAT won't have corporations like Amazon paying into the dividend, they will only get the benefit of the dividend being spent. Amazon would make an extra $60b a year from $3t in added consumer spending. Ironically, that's billions more they could invest into speeding up their automation timeline, putting people out of work even faster.
That would also make the likes of Bezos extra billions a year more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT, speeding up inequality.
"a consumption tax because it is borne ultimately by the final consumer. It is not a charge on businesses."
"taxable persons (i.e., VAT-registered businesses) deduct from the VAT they have collected the amount of tax they have paid to other taxable persons on purchases for their business activities"
"the taxable person is entitled to deduct all the tax already paid at the preceding stage. Therefore, double taxation is avoided"
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en
"The GST takes into account the cost of inputs – the factors used in manufacturing or production – at each stage of the process to avoid double taxation. Input tax credits enable partnerships, businesses and self-employed workers to recover all GST paid on goods and services purchased for business purposes by deducting them from their GST payments. Final consumers are not entitled to such credits, which means that they pay all the GST on every item purchased. The GST is thus a multi-stage tax on final consumption."
http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
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Likud's foundations, and actions, go back about 100 years, to Ze'ev Jabotinsky. In his 1923 The Iron Wall, he fully acknowledged that Zionism was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native population would fight it until the bitter end. He encouraged doing it anyway. His militant youth group, Betar, and other followers of his, from the Haganah, formed the Zionist terrorist group, Irgun. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews, who didn't support colonialist Zionsim. Another Zionist terrorist group, Lehi (Stern Gang), splintered off from the Irgun. Lehi was considered worse than Irgun, were assassins on top of being terrorists, and even tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain.
The Irgun ended up being led by Menachem Begin, who had them bomb the King David Hotel. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir. Both terrorist groups opposed partition, for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all, while the Zionist terrorists wanted to colonize it all. Those terrorist groups were involved in many of the massacres that sparked the Nakba, the ethnic cleansing of 700k Palestinians. After the Nakba, the Israel population was 715k Jewish and 156k non-Jewish. That means the Jews were a minority, even in the Zionist half of partition, prior to the Nakba. To believe the Zionists had zero intention to ethnically cleanse the non-Jewish majority would require believing they had zero intention to create a Jewish state ... which is a ridiculous proposition.
Begin founded Likud. Shamir joined. War criminal, Ariel Sharon, also joined. Their platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq.
Likud has a long bloody past, and promises a long bloody future.
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@nassaubahamas8570 Because polio is not even remotely as contagious, for one (the biggest polio outbreak in the US was about 50k people). Because covid mutates more, and there are already more variants, which affects the efficacy rate, for another (the original polio vaccine was only about 65% against one of the 3 polio strains). Because some viruses produce a long lasting immune response, some don't, and unfortunately covid is one of the later (polio seems to last your life, tetanus wears off in about 10 years, smallpox in 3-5 years, the flu in a matter of months). Because we're starting from the point of the virus being widespread ... polio doesn't get eradicated from a population in a matter of months.
And, because Gibraltar being 100% vaccinated is misinformation. Some have tallied their vaccination rate simply by dividing the doses given out by the population. Thing is, they've been vaccinating workers from Spain, as well. They only started vaccinating 15+ last month, and hadn't even started vaccinating younger kids yet.
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@shpluk It's really pretty simple. Cowardly pro colonialists, trying to mask their colonialism, want it to be confusing. All the ancient history stuff is actually irrelevant. There was a well documented exodus, and living in Europe and Russia, for 1700 years. The Zionists were not inhabitants of Palestine, and hadn't been for generations. The Empire that kicked them out, due to their own terrorist acts, no longer exists.
If I rounded up 6 million people from the Americas whose ancestors left England or Spain hundreds of years ago, do they have any right to claim half of those countries for themselves, and force the current population off? If they went back, took half by force, and ethnically cleansed enough of the current inhabitants, at least enough until the newcomers were the majority (so they can pretend to be democratic), they would be colonialists.
Europeans have DNA roots back to Africa. They still colonized the shit out of Africa.
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@prettypurplepicklez Nope. There were not waves of any significant Arab immigration. Almost all of the non Jewish population growth can be attributed to reproduction rates. Between 1918 and 1947, the non Jewish population increased by 2.2x. The Jewish population increased by 10.5x.
No. Jewish rebels killed hundreds of thousands of non Jewish civilians, including children, genociding entire cities, raped, pillaged, and even accounts of them parading around wearing the skins of their victims. And the rebels, not even close to the entire population, were taken as slaves. That Palestinians have Canaanite DNA would suggest that most of those who stayed simply converted along the way. Religion isn't tied to your DNA.
Yeah, the Palestinian Jews opposed Zionism, and were targeted by Zionist terrorists, like the Irgun and Lehi, alongside their Palestinian brothers. Zionists don't get to claim people they murdered, to act as some 1700 year place holder, for them all to return.
Unless you want to put the entire world back the way it was, at the very specific time that you like (Egypt was the first nation to rule over Canaan, but you don't want that, right?), the only relevant colonialism is ongoing colonialism.
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@HavokBWR Just making sure you're not using some lesser definition, that doesn't even show up in multiple dictionaries, dumb dumb, or you'll get pissy about there not being a single definition. Prejudice: an unfair and unreasonable opinion or feeling, especially when formed without enough thought or knowledge. What's unfair or unreasonable, and without enough thought or knowledge, about trying to make things more balanced? That doesn't seem to make sense, since balance tends to go hand in hand with fairness.
Who is calling for perfectly equal outcomes (please don't be a complete idiot who says Kamala, because she didn't)? And, if they are, how is that hate, exactly? It's strange to have an economic system that requires ever increasing numbers of consumers, that then punishes the consumer makers for taking some time off. Other countries have narrowed the wage gap even more, and have parental leave for both parents. Do those countries hate men even more?
Yes, I know I brought up the example of rebalancing. You, however, found the something to gripe about, all on your own. So, should undocumented men have the right to vote, since that's the big risk and responsibility, in your eyes, even though nobody has been conscripted in almost 50 years, and there's zero indication of a war big enough to require it, in the known future?
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Taking an "enlightened centrist", both sides-ing, position, doesn't equate to informative or level headed. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Trump convinced tens of millions of people not to believe any media, any judges, any lawyers, any politicians, any election officials, any doctors, any nurses, any scientists, any police, any military, any intelligence agency, any women ... anybody ... even not to believe their own lying eyes, if any of them contradicted Supreme Leader Trumpty Dumpty. I don't know if any other president has ever pulled off that fanatic level of "loyalty", and it's not a level of "loyalty" anyone should want a politician to have.
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@josephmassaro Isn't that the way things were supposed to be set up, in the US, so that if the government turns corrupt, the people could remove it, and start over, just like the founding fathers had? Americans kind of screwed the pooch on that one, though, by having a massive standing army, a military armed police force, and no militias, except for racist psychos.
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The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems in 4 years. AOC helped replace a few more in just 2 years.
Dore knob: The most rational thing to do, right now, is to start from scratch, with zero seats, zero bills submitted, zero amendments added, zero votes on even a single bill, and zero relevance, because the third party route is oh so viable. I mean, the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, but this totally isn't a delusional fantasy.
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You can say if they win without you, then you don't have any leverage to change things, but how does providing them undying support, and them winning, give you any leverage to change things? If they have your support, no matter what, then there's no incentive for them to change. And, no, them losing once isn't evidence it doesn't work. They may have to lose a few times, to clue in ... assuming they care about winning. If the party is so far gone, so close to being Republican themselves, that they don't really care about winning, then why bother voting for them, at all?
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@kimallred7696 There are dozens to thousands of measles and mumps breakthroughs every year, in the US. No vaccine is 100%. The influenza vaccine, made the old fashioned way, has a 50% efficacy. They do significantly reduce your odds of getting the virus and, if you don't have the virus, you can't spread it to others.
All vaccines have to do with others' health. One of the main goals is achieving herd immunity. If you're unvaccinated, you're providing the virus the easiest path for it to travel to others. If you're vaccinated, you provide an extra line of defense between the virus and others.
So, the point was that not trying to slow down spread, hospitalization, and death, is moronic, and that a 10x more contagious flu would kill hundreds of thousands of people a year, instead of tens of thousands ... and a flu that's not specifically seasonal, probably 20x more people a year.
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Yeah, that third number, on the paper said "with covid", not necessarily that covid contributed to the death, like the Dr of nursing practice stated. The second number is the deaths due to covid that the government and media use. That just means some 20k people died "with covid", and not due to covid. No real contradiction in the numbers.
As for the first number, like Sam said, you'd have to look at all the hundreds of other things people die of. If you find about a 30k reduction than average, then there's no contradiction between the first and second number. If they're isn't a 30k reduction there, then maybe covid deaths were slightly overreported.
The doctor of nursing is also wrong, about being able to use UK excess mortality for other countries. Each country is different. The US' excess mortality was higher than reported covid deaths. Unlike the UK, that means people were either dying of other things in higher than average numbers, or that covid deaths were underreported.
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@mycosys David doesn't seem to cover events, unless something has happened to Israel, or unless there's some news about Hamas doing something bad. Prior to the Hamas attack, there had been almost one Palestinian a day, killed by the IDF or settlers (who are rarely punished). I don't know if I'd say he's an outright Zionist, but I do think he has a bias. "Zionist" also has a definition. It's not simply name calling.
Leaving out details, like that, and the entirety of the history, has David, like most, framing things in a way that makes Israel out to be the one responding to Hamas' violence. After hundreds of Palestinians were killed, this year alone, why isn't Hamas instead framed as the one responding to Israel's violence? People are more understanding as to why say Geronimo left the reserve his tribe had been forced onto, multiple times, to go on a warpath. Not framing Israel as the colonialist power that it is, allows for propaganda like "The savages have attacked poor innocent settlers!", rather than "Natives have left the dirt patch they were forced onto, and have attacked people that have been colonizing and ethnically cleansing them, for a century." Maybe unintentional bias, but considering how he criticized AOC for an "uninformed" comment about Israel/Palestine, I would expect him to be more precise.
As I said, above, Ze'ev fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. After that point, the colonialists can never really be the "victim". Natives would never be attacking them, if they hadn't done the colonialism, in the first place. On top of the colonialism, Israel was founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. They killed a bunch of Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israelis elected a terrorist, Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun and bombed the King David Hotel. Israel merged those terrorist groups into their new national military/intelligence. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are heroes. Making out like Hamas is "pure evil", without ever mentioning that Israel was founded on similarly "pure evil", and had a "pure evil" PM, is a bias.
Even now, Netanyahu has a terrorist in charge of the West Bank. He was previously arrested on his way to bomb a highway out of Gaza, to block the withdrawal of settlers there. He's a racist, who has said that "Palestinian" people don't exist. He's an ultra Orthodox nutjob, who equates homosexuality with bestiality. Plus, he's a genocidal maniac, who made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jews, in all Israel/Palestine.
Casually mentioning , now and then, that Israel is an "apartheid state", doesn't get to the true depths of how horrible it is. These are Jewish people that are running an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. It is insanely ghastly, that they've become the thing they fled from.
Again, not sure if I'd go as far as saying David is himself a Zionist, but he does show an abnormal bias, when it comes to Israel. Not very objective.
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@Nackdad Dore peddled some delusional fantasy, that a Trump presidency would lead to a massive progressive backlash that would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house (nope) and senate (nope), in 2018, and the presidency (nope), in 2020. His grift included claiming that even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump agenda (nope), instead of following him into all out fascism (nope), plus claiming that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (nope). Nothing he predicted came true. There ended up being zero benefit to letting Trump win, while the risks came true.
His entire bullshit was based on faulty reasoning. You don't have to go outright f*cking backwards, to get a progressive movement. Bernie's movement came right after Obama. In fact, everyone was so freaked out by another Trump presidency, that they went screaming into Biden's "more electable" arms. It hurt the progressive movement.
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@Nackdad You still seem to have comprehension problems. Again, I haven't laid all the blame for anyone's loss on Dore. Who he helps, indicates which side he's actually on. When he promoted Trump over Clinton, if he convinced even one person in a swing state to let Trump win, then he helped Trump win. When he promoted Tulsi over Bernie, if he convinced even one person not to vote Bernie, then he helped Bernie lose. When he ran a constant attack ad campaign against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, Biden, if he convinced even one person in a swing state to let Trump win, then he again helped Trump. When he promoted abandoning Nina, if he convinced even one person to abandon Nina, then he helped the corporate Dem win. If he convinces even one person to let Republicans win, indefinitely, then he is helping Republicans. In what reality does that sound like a leftist?
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@HelloJamesBond You are the one doing the reversal of who is the aggressor. Everyone going on about Oct 7, is like freaking out that Native American "Savages!" had attacked some colonizers. Sure, not productive and morally questionable, but the natives weren't the aggressors. Or like claiming the resistance groups behind the Warsaw ghetto uprising were the aggressors, against the Nazis.
Zionism is colonialism, as the early 20th century Zionists weren't shy to admit. They simply argued their colonialism was "good". One of those being Ze'ev Jabotinsky who, in his 1923 The Iron Wall, fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism and that, based on the entirety of history, the Palestinian natives would fight it until the bitter end. Followers of Ze'ev formed the Irgun and Lehi terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering Palestinian men, women, and children, even Palestinian Jews, who didn't support colonialist Zionsim. The Lehi were considered even more extreme, tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain, continued fighting the British during WWII, assassinated British diplomats, etc.
Israel merged those terrorists into their military and intelligence agencies. The leaders of those terrorist groups founded Likud. Both those terrorist leaders were elected as PMs, by Israelis. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorist groups as "heroes". Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Lands of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. They are indigenous, and have basically just been reacting like any people being colonized, for the last 100 years. It is Zionism that is based on absolute batshit crazy religious nuttery. Plus, the fact that partition was forced on the actual majority (1.3m non-Jews vs 630k Jews), against their will ... That non-Jews were still a majority in the Zionist portion of partition (856k non-Jews vs 715k Jews), until 700k were ethnically cleansed and never allowed to return ... And that, all Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, and the millions of Palestinians have no vote for the actual authority over them, Israel ... Means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
They're operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, ffs. They're, objectively, the aggressors, the bad guys.
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The thing I take issue with is calling what private companies do on their own private property, "censorship". If I owned a newspaper and magazine shop, and didn't want to stock the NY Post, that's not "censorship". If my store had a community bulletin board and someone pinned up something I didn't want associated with my store, me taking it down isn't "censorship". It's not like you can't go buy the NY Post elsewhere, or go advertise your thing elsewhere. Only if some government authority told me that I couldn't stock something, or couldn't let people post something, would it be censorship.
I get that Facebook and Twitter have large monopolies, and going elsewhere isn't as effective at spreading information, but it's still possible. Twitter got popular because some people liked it better than Facebook. Instagram got popular because some people liked it better than Twitter. Many young people like Snapchat better than all of the above. Now TikTok has become popular. There's also Reddit. And, there's 4chan and 8chan for the more fringe stuff. It's like some people think they have a right to post whatever they want wherever they want, when that's absolutely not the case. The owner of a restaurant doesn't have to let some Armageddon preacher come in and scream at the customers, and booting them out isn't "censorship". If Facebook is skewing information to the right, maybe people who lean left should just stop using it. If Twitter is skewing to the left, maybe people who lean right should just stop using it. If either want to keep as many consumers as possible, they should probably try to be as objective in their algorithms and fact checking, as possible.
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@Jordblitz You know that Israel was founded on terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi, right? They elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, who was leader of the Irgun and bombed the King David Hotel. They still celebrate those terrorists.
Even now, Netanyahu has a terrorist in charge of the West Bank. An Orthodox extremist bigot, who compares homosexuality to bestiality. A racist, who says "Palestinian" people don't exist. And a genocidal maniac, who made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, all non Jews in all Israel/Palestine.
There isn't just a single side with extremists. And, most people wouldn't consider the Warsaw ghetto uprising to be an act of extremists. They'd consider it normal. Not sure why Gaza's open air WWII style fascist style ghetto is supposed to be considered different.
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@darrellvalentine7316 Nothing you said refutes that colonialists are aggressors, dumb dumb. There were even times, throughout history, where less developed peoples conquered and colonized more developed civilizations.
On top of the Zionist colonialism, Israel was also founded on its own terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed Palestinian markets, killing many civilians, including children, even killing Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Those terrorist groups were merged into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as heroes. They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
Even the Jews under Roman rule rebelled, and killed tens of thousands of non Jewish civilians. Even with how violent they were, they didn't take kindly to the Roman use of excessive force, the destruction of their temple, or being ethnically cleansed. If the Roman reaction was justified, then that completely eradicates the only justification they had to support their Zionist colonialism ... that they were forced out, and didn't leave willingly.
You should also maybe consider whether a bomb dropping on a baby might blow its body apart.
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@antidote4870 Ummm, the planning for a Zionist state started in like 1918. Ben-Gurion declared they wanted it all. And, no, the Zionists always demanded to be a majority in their own state. One of the first plans included force moving a third of the native population, over 200k Palestinians. On top of being colonialist, Jewish terrorist groups, like the Irgun and Lehi, helped force the final solution. It's literally a colonialist terrorist nation.
How will a 2 state solution work, in 2023, when Israel has continued colonizing Palestinian lands the whole time? You think Palestinians will agree to having jack shit left over? Only if you squash their spirit, or ethnically cleanse or kill the ones who don't accept, like native Americans. Being stuck on reserves isn't exactly a "two state" solution. And, there's zero indication that Israel would willingly return to any former borders.
Other nations, that can pressure an outcome, need to step in, and demand one, like with South Africa. That would take them growing some balls, and finally declaring Israel a racist/colonialist/terrorist/fascist state. And, they can also pressure towards an outcome that would actually work.
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@johnkosowski3321 If you need, and get, a loan (which I never included, but you keep including, because it's the only way your system works it seems), you're still on the hook for paying off the loan, whether your venture is successful, or not. Banks don't require inspections for mortgages. They don't care if your new venture is risky, if you give them collateral, and already have the income to pay them back.
There have also been numerous collapses during building itself. If there's no set standard, showing the builder cut corners, if no way is an outright wrong way to do things, then there's no real grounds to sue them for damages.
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@vallano8970 No, you're a moron for pretending you know how a VAT works. It was you who proved my point, dumbass. It wouldn't tax Amazon, as Yang falsely claims. It was the final consumer, in your example, that paid the full $2, and didn't get paid back, idiot. $2 was sent to the government and the final consumer paid $2 on a $20 purchase, and every other step was paid back. Yang is completely ignorant or lying, when he says a VAT will force Amazon to pay taxes. It's also just a fact that Amazon's share of US consumer spending is 2%. So, if you don't actually tax them and hand consumers $3t, you're only making them money, in the region of $60b a year extra. Argue with math all you want.
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@MikeHanson You're basically relying on semantics. Militant forces, backed by a foreign state, are fighting to conquer an amount of land in India, and then want to join said land to that foreign state. After which, the foreign state could move in its official military. The outcome would be exactly the same as if that foreign state conquered the land themselves.
India is retaliating against that foreign state, as if they are to blame, bombing sites inside Pakistan they consider bases of operations for those forces, much like the US bombed sites inside Pakistan, where they claimed bases were, for militants fighting in Afghanistan. If India is to be believed, it's not simply an internal uprising.
But no, official uniformed Pakistan forces haven't entered India, if that's all you're willing to accept.
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@The_S_Soldier Why lie?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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Nope.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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What's this?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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FACT: Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@ThePoliticalBulldog Dimwit. Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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@ubuu7 Taking feedback is fine. That doesn't change the fact that Yang, himself, wanted to replace absolutely everything ... he wanted to completely abolish all those government programs.
If he didn't argue it, then you're dishonestly inventing an argument for him. He constantly argued how to fund things, which means he wasn't simply not arguing that "secret" ... he was outright arguing something completely different from that. Either you're a blatant liar, or he is ... which is it?
Yang repeatedly compared his dividend to the Alaskan dividend, which is entirely paid for by corporations. So, if Alaskans spent all of their dividend back on those corporations, the money will simply have circulated. Yang acknowledged giant corporations weren't paying their fair share of taxes through current methods, and then falsely argued they would through a VAT. So they wouldn't be paying for his dividend, either way. If corporations aren't paying for it, then the money is simply flowing from consumers to the corporations faster than ever before, where it gets hoarded. Instead of taxing Amazon, Yang would have made Amazon extra tens of billions a year, and Bezos extra billions a year.
You're the dimwit cultists who can't even do basic math, like you claim.
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@OliverCaesar If adding more M4A yes votes to congress ... exactly what you'd still need to do even after a failed show vote
... is "inaction", then you've reduced ftv to simply having a failed show vote followed by inaction. It's a moronic argument that makes ftv even more pointless and moronic than it already was.
You think this guy Jimmy interviewed, who has praised shooting antifa, and blm, protesters won't praise people shooting you?
"In fact, a Michigan anti-fascist group had followed this Boogaloo member for months and had previously revealed that Dore’s interviewee had publicly defended fascist Kyle Rittenhouse. The Boogaloo member said that other people should “learn how to do that,” referencing Rittenhouse’s murder of two anti-police violence demonstrators in Kenosha, Wisconsin in August 2020. The individual also praised fascist militia gun range sessions, called “Rittenhouse drills,” and defended Steve Baca, the fascist who shot anti-police violence protesters in New Mexico in June 2020."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/01/29/dore-j29.html
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@michaelpeyton5730 Sounds like you don't know how C-16 actually works. You probably got your info from lying Peterson. In the US, you can get charged, or sued, for threatening, defaming, verbally harrassing, etc., an individual. However, you can basically say whatever you want about an entire group of people, like promoting that all gays should be killed. That's crazy. All of those laws protecting individuals, plus things like conspiracy to commit, and incitement, are anti-speech laws, even in the US. No country has unlimited free speech. There's no such thing in existence. Never has been.
Hate speech laws, in Canada, basically treat that kind of speech, against groups, the same as it applies to individuals. C-16 basically makes it clear, that trans are protected, under those laws. You can't get charged, for accidentally using the wrong pronoun, or anything like that. But, repeatedly using the wrong pronoun, intentionally, can be considered rising to a level of harassment, much like your boss, or teacher, calling you "dickhead" everyday. People can more easily understand that "dickhead" is harassment, but less so that intentionally using the wrong pronoun is. The law clarifies things.
That same law, btw, was already in place, at the provincial level, in multiple provinces, for years, including the province JP worked and lived in. And yet, he had zero examples, to support his bullsh*t slippery slope argument. There are still zero examples to support his bullsh*t slippery slope argument. He had been working under that law, for years, so when he made his "alpha" claim, that he'd use whatever pronouns he wanted ... that seemed to coincide with the law, for all those years.
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LudVan 2 77 Seriously, if you really want to get all nitpicky ...
Knowledge is a justified true belief, so yes, it's perfectly fine to say you believe in evolution, without it being a religion, or without you adhering to it like a religion. If you've accepted something as true, then you must, in fact, believe it's true. If you think you know something, then you must, in fact, believe that something is true, and that you're justified in believing that something is true. To show something is, in fact, knowledge, you should be able to show that justification to others. Knowledge is beyond just a belief, but you can't attain knowledge without belief.
Aside from that, I don't think that "subscribe" properly describes the average religious mindset. Believers in creation don't simply not subscribe to evolution ... they outright believe it is false ... believe that evolution is the fairy tale, and that the truth comes from old stories passed down by hundreds of years old desert wanderers that lived thousands of years ago. You are giving them too much credit, as if they've seriously investigated it, studied the science, simply don't think the science backs the claims, so made a perfectly rational decision not to subscribe to the theory.
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Rofl. Aaron's Syrian "scandal" article could have been written by anyone anywhere in the world, with Wikipedia and a penchant for leaving out all the bits that don't fit your narrative.
Since 2013, there have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use, hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple NGO witnesses, human rights legal groups, independent investigations, etc. 2 "inspectors" (one of which wasn't an actual inspector and the other which never left home base because he didn't finish training) involved in a single investigation at a single site, and neither of which were involved for the last 7 months of it, doesn't debunk all of that.
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@halo091 Well, all the other unintelligent 1st world countries, which have adopted more left leaning ideas, are rated better than the US in happiness, personal freedom, press freedom, wealth distribution, healthcare, etc., etc.
Oh, and appeal to tradition is a fallacy. There used to be a tradition of slavery, no rights for women, uneducated poor, ... so if you think "tradition" = better, smarter, then you have some problems.
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Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@DeborahSch Anyone who thinks an ethnic cleansing colonialist occupier is democratic, has a warped sense of what democracy is. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@scotchbarrel4429 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@RuckFussia Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Ian Miles Get the nation together for what though? Fascists were backed by leading industrialists, large land owners, and most religious leaders. They were leaders in privatization, turning public tax dollars into private profits. They destroyed unions, and argued against the class struggle, telling workers to just accept their lot in life and work hard to try and better themselves and the country, rather than trying to fight the rich. So, they were also capitalists, just crony capitalists ... corporatists ... designing the system to make the rich richer.
Ayn Randian Libertarians readily ally themselves with authoritarian crony capitalists, all the time. Hardly mortal enemies.
And, Nazi style exterminations aren't a requirement for fascism. Nazis took the nationalism and national identity to the extreme, and got rid of those who didn't fit that identity. Wasn't quite the same in Italy or Spain.
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So, you actually believe that the UN, dozens of UN inspectors from around the world, hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, doctors without borders, hrw, amnesty, legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, other independent investigators, and dozens of countries that aren't involved and have been anti US wars before, are all in cahoots to frame Syria for dozens of chemical weapons uses since 2013? Because two part time "inspectors", working on a single investigation at a single site disagreed with on the findings from that single site?
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@TheInfographicsShow You literally quoted Huxley ...
"Agnosticism is of the essence of science, whether ancient or modern. It simply means that a man shall not say he knows or believes that which he has no scientific grounds for professing to know or believe."
... and then proceeded to ignore that he defined the agnostic position as covering belief. He was a scientist. His agnosticism is the basis of demarcation. No verifiable/falsifiable evidence = suspension of belief. He outright called it "immoral" to believe a claim without evidence.
Huxley defined agnosticism, when the definition of "atheism" was athe-ism, the belief gods don't exist. It was 20th century "philosophers" who, while completely admitting they were doing so, pushed for the a-theism redefinition. One of them, George H Smith (not an actual philosopher), was actually an athe-ist (and a cowardly one) who seems to have just wanted to steal agnosticism's no burden of proof. And, to create a distinction between the new a-theism and agnosticism, he also pushed redefining the latter. He did what you did, in this video, quoted Huxley, and then totally butchered what Huxley actually defined.
You also seem to have left out a position, at the start ... that of the a-theist who believes no gods exists, but doesn't claim to know. The redefinition of athe-ism to a-theism, has a-theism covering 3 positions, not 2.
The a-theism redefinition creates this convoluted mess ...
Gnostic theist
Agnostic theist
Agnostic weak/negative a-theist
Agnostic strong/positive a-theist
Gnostic strong/positive a-theist
A "gnostic" is a knower, and an "ist" is a believer. The "ist" is actually redundant, if you're calling someone a "gnostic". You can replace the suffix. The former athe-ism definition makes things a lot less convoluted ...
Theo-gnostic
The-ist
Agnost-ic
Athe-ist
Atheo-gnostic
If we have a Schrodinger cat experiment, the agnostics would suspend belief, until the box is open. Some other people might believe the cat is alive, alive-ists. Some others may also believe the cat is dead, dead-ists. To group the agnostics together with the dead-ists, as non-aliveists, is nonsensical, since they are also non-deadists.
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Israelis still celebrate the Irgun and Lehi as heroes. They elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel, as PM. Those terrorist groups bombed Palestinian markets, killing many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism).
Bezalel Smotrich, who Israelis elected and who Netanyahu put in charge of the West Bank, had previously been arrested on his way to commit a terrorist attack, with 700 gallons of fuel. He's a religious nut homophobe, a racist who thinks "Palestinian" people don't exist, and made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jew in all of Israel/Palestine, taking it all for Israel.
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@Joseph Geiger Nope. They had similar dodges as they do today, and the effective tax rate, for the 1%, was 40+%, higher than today's 25+% effective tax rate, for the 1%. One of the dodges, then, was to reinvest in other corporate ventures, because the risk was only 10¢ on the dollar, instead of simply taking an under 30% hit, and hoarding the rest, like they do today. Many also just didn't bother asking for enough to bump them up into that top tax bracket, so there weren't anywhere close to the same amount of people in that upper tax bracket, as there would be today. Companies spent the money elsewhere ... like more on their 40% unionized workforce, who had more bargaining power than the 10% unionized workforce of today. Capital gains was another dodge, which is still around.
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@HelloSnowflake3 By that "logic", Republicans were terrified of Hillary. The 6 Republican investigations of her, while she was Trump's political opponent, actually found nothing they could charge her with, let alone convict her with. They were proved to be complete bullshit fishing expeditions. Trump literally ran on "Lock her up!". He was terrified too.
Your boy, on the other hand, has been found guilty of numerous things, in his life, in court. A proven fraud, grifter, con, and racist. Most recently, rape, defamation, and more fraud. He literally stands outside a courtroom and tries to "defend" himself, by claiming he's under valuing property, which would also be a crime, tax fraud. He's a complete moron, who doesn't seem to know the law, or doesn't think they apply to him.
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@ryanhubbard1885 I can read just fine.
You: "The AB stock tanked" (it actually didn't "tank" ... relative to previous years, it was a minor dip) "selling it was the correct move"
Then your panties in a bunch about "correct" not meaning "smart", which is nonsensical when it comes to buying/selling stocks. The smart thing to do, is to buy/sell at the correct time, or you will lose all your money.
And now you're making all kinds of "if" statements, which means you had zero clue, if it was the "correct" thing to do. So, why make a baseless "correct" assertion, when you have no clue, in the first place? Seems like a pointless, baseless, attempt to defend him.
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@RobCipher People are stupid. Nothing was really rushed. The process for creating them is simply faster. The FDA usually approves, or doesn't, drugs within 6 months after trials. The vaccines went through phase I through III trials, just like anything else. They were fully approved in a standard amount of time. Waiting for full approval might have been a quasi valid excuse, once upon a time. Now, it's just stupidity. Are they all qualified doctors and scientists, who know the proper amount of time, to wait? Oh, wait, nope. Doctors are like 99% vaccinated. Just how much time should people wait, exactly, in their "expert" opinions?
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@JohnSSuh Well, you're wrong, for one. Secondly, I was referring to the fact that Yang is bullshitting, whenever he claims a VAT will force corporations to pay their fair share in taxes. I'm referring to him bullshitting, when he claims a VAT will have corporations paying you to show you ads or pay you for your data. I'm referring to him bullshitting, everytime he compares his dividend to Alaska's dividend, which is paid for by corporations.
Since Yang won't actually have corporations paying into his dividend, they will only benefit from the spending of that dividend. Amazon's share of US consumer spending is 2%. Yang will make them an extra $60b a year. That will, in turn, make Bezos billions extra a year, more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT.
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@lastfirst5154 Shove the delusional bullshit. Her M4A tweet with 70k retweets was before Jimmy's showboating, and reached her millions of followers even without retweets. Even now, while he's "trending" (not actually on any top trending lists), Jimmy can't break 2k retweets. She absolutely annihilates him at the only thing he does. If that's considered fighting, then she's laying waste to the social media battlefield.
He's an armchair general, shitting on someone fighting in the trenches, someone who actually moved the M4A agenda ahead by helping get more pro-M4A progressives elected, while Jimmy was whining about Colbert crying, and shit Obama (no longer an actual politician) said. Jimmy doesn't give a crap if anyone has healthcare. He has his. He knew the only thing between the small gains the ACA provided, and the repeated attempts to have it repealed, had been Obama vetoes. He knew conservative judges could be bad for women's health. He still promoted Trump as a better option than Clinton, or Stein (which only helped Trump win). He didn't give a crap if millions of previously uninsured, including those with preexisting conditions lost their healthcare.
Again, in 2020, he spent the general election basically running attack ads against Trump's only viable opponent. Jimmy didn't care if the fascist fuck who helped kill thousands of Americans won again, and he fought against the Medicare age being dropped and a public option, with no alternative on the Republican side. He's also ready to start from scratch with another third party, and not get M4A for decades, if ever.
He's a poser.
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@lastfirst5154 She just used her platform and PAC to get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. That's what what you'll still have to do, even if you get a vote that's guaranteed to fail. She used her platform to do exactly what needed doing. I doubt Jimmy even has 100 new pro-M4A candidates lined up, to replace the ones who will need replacing in the house and senate. When he does, go to her to actually do what needs doing.
Dore? Rofl. He peddled the shit that Trump would be better for progressives than Clinton, claimed the moon would fall into Lake Michigan before Trump could fill multiple scotus seats, claimed it would bring about a massive wave of progressives and flip the house, senate, and bring about a 2020 Warren presidency. He peddled the shit that Stein had a chance.
Now he's using his platform to peddle the shit that he actually cares if anyone gets healthcare coverage. He did what he could to get Trump elected in 2016. He didn't care that could lead to the repeal of the ACA and millions losing their healthcare coverage. Jimmy, basically, spent the 2020 general election running an anti-Biden campaign, Trump's only viable opponent. During a pandemic, he didn't care if Trump stayed in power and killed more Americans, he didn't care that millions more would get coverage by lowering the social security age to 60. Jimmy is also, once again, promoting a third party. He's willing to start from scratch and maybe win a house seat in a few decades, while Republicans run the show because you've split the vote.
Anyone who believes that that guy gives a shit about getting you healthcare coverage anytime soon, is overflowing with the amount of shit they've been shovelled.
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@AstroMortuum Here's what's not considered "staples", in Canada: electricity, phone, phone service, computers, internet service, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance, and all kinds of things poor people will have to pay extra for. Sure, if you sit in the dark and watch stars for fun, you won't be at all affected by a VAT.
Yang's revenue projection was also originally based on the entire economy. The more he exempts, the larger the shortfall he'll have, and his plan already starts with almost a trillion dollar deficit.
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@WiseWeeabo It's not about total government revenue generated, because a 10% federal sales tax would do about the same thing. A VAT only keeps track of the exchanges along the way better, so it's harder to dodge the final step, but likewise ends up being a tax on the final consumer.
If you're handing consumers $3t, who paid the VAT is what matters. If Amazon still paid no taxes, but has a 2% share of US consumer spending, then you've made them $60b extra dollars a year, and they're still not paying in.
I get that many gangers fantasize that the VAT will only tax yachts and stuff, but non-staples include phones, phone service, computers (even cheap ones), internet service, TVs, cable, games, toys, basically any entertainment with a cost, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance ... all kinds of crap. A lot of countries exempt staples. Corporations still aren't the ones paying the tax. Consumers are.
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@mircogam Now you're making up fake crap for what he supposedly really means, but never said. No, almost no gangers I've come across know how a VAT actually works, let alone most Americans. No, he outright claims on his VAT page, and in multiple interviews and rallies, that a VAT is a way to make corporations "pay their fair share", not their owners. He had an absolutely ridiculous rally, where he both claimed Google was moving money to its EU headquarters in Ireland to avoid paying taxes, and that a VAT wouldn't let them get away without paying taxes. Ireland has a freaking 23% VAT rate. They obviously don't give a shit about the VAT, because they don't pay it. They're there for Ireland's low corporate tax rate. Plus, what you, a supposed account, aren't seeming to grasp is that, if you make Amazon an extra $60b a year, then you're making Bezos something like an extra $6b a year. He'd have to personally blow through over $60b on goods and services with a VAT to pay in more than you're making him, which would never happen. He could by a new $1b yacht every year, pay $100m in VAT, and still be in the plus $5.9b, from Yang's plan. Meanwhile, yes, there will be some poor people who will get zero economic benefit from the UBI but will still have to pay the VAT on many things. And, it doesn't matter if someone already getting $1000+ in assistance opts in or out. They can't opt out of paying the VAT. They'd be worse off, having to pay 10% more on numerous things.
No, a business doesn't need to absorb part of the VAT, if it doesn't want to. Only the smallest of businesses aren't required to register for the VAT, which aren't competition. Or, the business is in a VAT exempt or zero rated sector, and also isn't competition. These giant tech companies are already operating in countries with a VAT. They don't absorb shit. When the EU switched from seller's VAT rate to buyer's VAT rate, they started charging the buyer's full VAT rate.
Yang is skipping many of the things other countries do to make corporations and the rich pay in. The UK has higher marginal income tax rates, a higher minimum wage, double the union participation to negotiate better wages for workers, a stamp tax, etc. Scandinavian countries have ridiculously high union participation, so high they don't even need the government involved in setting minimum wages, higher marginal tax rates than the UK, paid parental leave, more paid vacation days, Norway owns a 60+% share in their oil production, Sweden has businesses pay into a retraining program with an 80+% success rate, etc. They also have about double the percentage of the population working decently paid government jobs, than the US doea. Then those countries tax their better paid, higher standard of living, consumers with a VAT. A VAT doesn't make corporations pay in. If you think Bezos only being able to recover half the VAT on his cell phone, because he uses it half the time for personal calls, is him "paying his fair share", then you're an idiot.
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@Tsudico Man, you have zero clue what you're talking about. It was a £24 VAT on top of a £120 charge (24 is 20% of 120). The ad buyer paid £144. Google collected the £24 and sent it to the government. The remaining £120 goes into Google's pocket. The business who initially paid the £24 then gets it credited back from the government, along with any other VAT they've paid on business expenses. You're completely fabricating some other VAT payment, not able to figure out who pays it, and then deciding Google must have. There's no magical other £18 VAT payment Google has made to nobody, paying £96 for nothing.
If Google does have some business expense they paid input VAT on, during the same VAT collection period, they would reclaim that amount, just like the business paying for the ad. Say Google bought a $12 computer chord, and paid £2.40 in VAT on top of that. Then, instead of sending the government the full £24, they'd keep £2.40 and send the government £21.60.
Fun fact: Even of a business pays more input VAT than they collect in output VAT, they will still get their input VAT credited back to them. Meaning, a company having a bad sales period will be credited back their input VAT by the consumers of businesses that had a good sales period.
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FreePalestineFromPalestinians Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@migarsormrapophis2755 My "bizarre political ideology" is socialist. It's one of the very reason private property rights suck. You absolutely, 100%, don't have a right to be on someone else's private property, therefore you don't have a right to be on their private property spewing whatever you want. If you want free speech rights, like you get in an actual public square, then push for public ownership. I'm just stating the facts of private property rights. You have to be completely ignorant, to think you have a right to be on someone else's private property (privately owned servers). Absolutely no right wing private property pushers believe you have a right to be on their private property. That is completely antithetical to private property. Without a right to be on the property, you don't actually have any other rights, on that property. They can kick you off it, whenever they want, for whatever reason they want, including if you say something they don't like. You have some strange notion of right wingers, if you think they're fine with people coming on their property, whenever they want, and blather about whatever they want to.
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@mikebanks2176 Are you a hypocrite who worships a penisless "god" being, that uses masculine gender terminology, and transitioned into a human male for a time? Or, are you simply a dimwit, who doesn't know the difference between sex and gender? Gender represents a persona, that often does, but doesn't have to, match a person's biology. The definition of a "woman" is for English class, or social studies, not science class. There are multiple dictionary definitions for "woman", including some you probably wouldn't like. Check out the various definitions given by the Cambridge dictionary.
Even the definition of the scientific term, "female", needs a revamping, because it would exclude people with xx chromosomes, that can't produce eggs. Likewise, "male" would exclude people with xy chromosomes, that can't produce sperm.
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Ironically, slavery didn't survive British common law, in England proper. British colonies were worse than their parent country, including the American colonies, and, later, the independent US.
It's stupid to only start counting at independence. Canada could say it had zero years of slavery and no war about it, after independence. Turkey could say it abolished slavery in under 80 years, with no civil war over it, after independence. Both of those sound better, and there are plenty more young countries.
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@ranzilberman I'm not the one arguing a people didn't exist, racist. We're all homo sapiens, from Africa ... therefore it's okay to "go back" to Africa and take it all, that it's impossible to colonize Africa? That's equivalent to what a moronic 1700 year old "right of return" is based on. Oh, but you don't want it belonging to the Romans, so it's actually a "return" to some 3000 year old nation, that only existed for 500 years out of thousands of years of history. Are we going to "return" everyone to thay specific ancient 500 year span of time?
I, in no way, argued that it would be reasonable for me to round up 6 million people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "go back", claim half of England, and cleanse "our" half of its current inhabitants. I think that's an absolutely ridiculous notion. Canaan was a collection of city states, and not a nation. Egypt was the first nation to rule over Canaan. If you want to moronically return to some kind of "origin" nation, why not let the actual original ruling nation have it?
Here's your history lesson, racist ...
c. 450 BCE, Herodotus: "From there they marched against Egypt: and when they were in the part of Syria called Palestine, Psammetichus king of Egypt met them and persuaded them with gifts and prayers to come no further."
"But I myself saw them in the Palestine district of Syria, with the aforesaid writing and the women's private parts on them."
"in this province was all Phoenicia, and the part of Syria called Palestine, and Cyprus."
"These Phoenicians formerly dwelt, as they themselves say, by the Red Sea; they crossed from there and now inhabit the seacoast of Syria. This part of Syria as far as Egypt is all called Palestine."
c. 340 BCE, Aristotle: "Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said."
Both well before the Romans.
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@ranzilberman The ancient history argument is nonsensical and irrelevant. Returning the world to 3000 BCE is insane. By every relevant measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@jackdawcaw4514 The "knowing" an experience would be objectivity. Subjectivity would be the feelings, opinions, and decisions, said experience might generate. Sure, there may be some species, somewhere, that are all connected and share the exact same feelings and opinions about every single thing, but not us humans. Even then, that species would be acting as a single collective ... a single "self". A computer could record, and "know" an experience, but it wouldn't have its own feelings, or opinions, on the matter ... something Sam also doesn't seem to grasp, judging by his AI will take over the world fear mongering. His self is filled with all kinds of subjective fears, that he expresses in a calm, monotone, manner, giving the false appearance that his self is acting rationally.
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@Emjaemidd Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, ffs, and have a close genetic relationship to Jews. There was most definitely a land of Philistia, comprising 5 city states, around the same time as the Kingdoms of Israel and Judea. Israel was wiped out by the Assyrians, and Judea and Philistia were conquered by the Babylonians.
Even the more modern version of the word has been around for centuries.
"c. 450 BCE: Herodotus, The Histories[57], First historical reference clearly denoting a wider region than biblical Philistia, referring to a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê"[58][11][59]"
Doesn't matter if there's a country. Someone from Michigan is a Michigander. Someone from Detroit is a Detroiter. Was there a Palestine political district? Yes. People from that would be Palestinians.
"c. 1000: Suda encyclopedic lexicon: "Παλαιστίνη: ὄνομα χώρας. καὶ Παλαιστι̂νος, ὁ ἀπὸ Παλαιστίνης." / "Palestine: Name of a territory. Also [sc. attested is] Palestinian, a man from Palestine.[205]"
"1177: John Phocas, A Brief Description of the Castles and Cities, from the City of Antioch even unto Jerusalem; also of Syria and Phoenicia, and of the Holy Places in Palestine[213][214]"
"c. 1350: Guidebook to Palestine (a manuscript primarily based on the 1285–1291 account of Christian pilgrim Philippus Brusserius Savonensis): "It [Jerusalem] is built on a high mountain, with hills on every side, in that part of Syria which is called Judaea and Palestine, flowing with milk and honey, abounding in corn, wine, and oil, and all temporal goods"[221]"
"1560: Geneva Bible, the first mass-produced English-language Bible, translates the Hebrew פלשת Pleshet as "Palestina" (e.g. Ex. 15:14; Isa. 14:29, 31) and "Palestina"[233]"
"1563: Josse van Lom, physician of Philip II of Spain: A treatise of continual fevers: "Therefore the Scots, English, Livonians, Danes, Poles, Dutch and Germans, ought to take less blood away in winter than in summer; on the contrary, the Portuguese, Moors, Egyptians, Palestinians, Arabians, and Persians, more in the winter than in summer"[236]"
"1779: George Sale, Ancient Part of Universal History: "How Judæa came to be called also Phœnice, or Phœnicia, we have already shewn in the history of that nation. At present, the name of Palestine is that which has most prevailed among the Christian doctors, Mahommedan and other writers. (See Reland Palestin. illustrat.)"[305]"
"1841: John Kitto, Palestine: the Physical Geography and Natural History of the Holy Land, Illustrated with Woodcuts.[351][352]"
"1897: First Zionist Congress: the Basel program sets out the goals of the Zionist movement: "Zionism aims at establishing for the Jewish people a publicly and legally assured home in Palestine""
"1902: Salim Qub‘ayn and Najib Nassar, "A Palestinian describes Palestinian towns."[390][398]"
"1915: VIII Corps (Ottoman Empire), Filastin Risalesi ("Palestine Document"), an Ottoman army country survey which formally identified Palestine as including the sanjaqs of Akka (the Galilee), the Sanjaq of Nablus, and the Sanjaq of Jerusalem (Kudus Sherif).[407][408]"
"1918: House of Commons of the United Kingdom: Minutes: "Major Earl Winterton asked the Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs what facilities have been given to the Palestinian and Syrian political leaders now in Egypt to visit Palestine?"[410] An early use of the word Palestinian in British politics, which was used often in following years in the British government[411]"
You'd have to be a complete and utter moron, to actually believe that Palestine or Palestinians didn't exist.
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@whyamimrpink78 At minimum, there's the multiple times Proud Boys have been arrested, charged, and convicted, for violent crimes. But, they're just a small group in a larger movement, that includes extreme right wingers, and white supremacists, who are shooting up mosques, shooting up synagogues, shooting up black churches, who are responsible for the rise in hate crimes, etc. Surely you'd want the whole lot labeled terrorists.
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The thing about democracies is that policies are the result of what the majority voted for, or against. Did the majority of slave holding states repeatedly vote for racist pro slavery candidates? Did they vote against any abolitionists? Did they vote for secessionists? Did they vote against unionists? Did they later vote for segregationists? Did they vote against desegregationists? They were pretty clearly racist majority states, for some 200 years (and that's not counting colonial times), and it's highly unlikely that a centuries old racist majority, that didn't voluntarily change, up and stopped being racist in just 50 years.
There seems to be a lot of crossover with the same areas voting to protect billionaires from being taxed. It's like they have the mentality that one day they could be a billionaire and wouldn't want all their billions taken. Similarly, the past voters were likely dreaming about the day they would also be rich slave owners.
Also, one thing the US did was stop importing slaves. So, they bread most of their own, like cattle. Who was selling what, to whom, over in Africa, became irrelevant to the fact that black Americans, almost exclusively, were targeted for lifelong multigenerational chattel slavery, in the US.
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@KaiCross "Arab" doesn't literally mean an Arabian, dimwit. "Arab" is like "Hispanic". Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. They've been there since the land of Canaan. They aren't Iraqis, Turks, Egyptians, or anything else. There's no valid reason to ethnically cleanse them.
There was a well documented 1700 year tour of Russia and Europe, dumb dumb. I can't round up 6 million people from the Americas whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, and go claim half of England. That's moronic.
Zionist terrorists, like the Irgun and Lehi, actually targeted Palestinian Jews, who opposed Zionism. You don't get to claim people that opposed you, and that you killed, as a placeholder.
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@WanderingIdiot81 Helping to increase the number of M4A yes votes in congress is action. It's exactly the kind of action that would still need doing even if there was a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote. Pretending it's inaction is dishonest.
The $15 got a vote, actually passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell), that Pelosi and the squad are members of, and also got a senate vote. Suddenly, just getting a vote on an important progressive policy, and getting a list of no voters, is completely useless ... just keep bitching about, and slandering, those who voted for it. FTVers have proven FTV was a sham, and that they're pathetic useless hypocrites.
The capitol police don't actually patrol the streets enforcing the law. It's more of a security guard and bodyguard force. Pretending they're totally equivalent to a standard police force is dishonest.
Piss off with the Israel bullshit. The squad have repeatedly voted against individual bills to send money to Israel, have introduced bills to put conditions on aid to Israel, have introduced bills against anti-BDS laws. They split votes on an annual foreign aid bill, of which Israel was a small percentage. It wasn't a straight up, Israel only, bill. The bill also included aid to Palestinians, as well as almost $60b in aid elsewhere.
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@WanderingIdiot81 Man, you're dishonest. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives. She has always been friends with, and supported, Cori. The issue with that primary was politics, and the fact that Clay had signed onto the Green New Deal, so she didn't give her official endorsement and donation to Cori until the general. I get that Dore knobs don't care about burning bridges, but if Clay had won, AOC would still want that GND vote.
In what reality do you think Manchin, and the other dipshit senators, would change their minds? If the senate and house disagree, then the bill goes to house-senate negotiation. Manchin could have offered concessions, and lowered the minimum to $10 (as some Republicans had proposed), to pick up enough Republican votes to ignore the squad. Where can the squad get extra votes from, if they lose Manchin's vote? There is the entire Republican party for Manchin to try and draw extra votes from, to the right of the party. There are zero extra votes to the left of the party. They don't have anywhere close to the same amount of power and leverage.
Because corporate Dems outright running against M4A isn't enough? Them not signing onto the bill isn't enough? Again, FTVers proved they're pathetic useless hypocrites. They've already shown that they don't actually value getting a vote and getting a list of no voters. FTV was a complete sham.
Progressives got the $15 to stay in for a round of voting. Not sure what other squad members asked for, but Pelosi did give AOC a shot at that committee seat she wanted. Those who voted, stabbed her in the front exactly because she had fought them and backed progressives against them in the primaries. Dore knobs then stab her in the back, falsely claiming she isn't fighting, even lying that she didn't back progressives in the primaries.
She, and Bernie, were just backing Nina, campaigning for her, promoting M4A while they were at it, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Meanwhile, Dore abandoned Nina and abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress, and then slandered AOC and Bernie, claiming they were the ones who abandoned M4A. He's a dishonest grifter.
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@thefreestofspeech6951 One video of the cat woman, from Canton, that was a lifelong resident. Not Haitian.
One picture of a guy with 2 geese, from Columbus, was removing them after they were hit by a car. No evidence he was Haitian.
Springfield police say no credible reports of Haitians going after pets.
Ohio Wildlife received 2 calls about Haitians and ducks/geese, in Springfield, but found no evidence.
You know, Republicans used to pretend they weren't rcsts, by saying they were okay with legal entrants. Well, the Haitians are legal entrants. I wonder what it is, they don't like about them? 🤔
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@nassaubahamas8570 Okay, so basically you take no name brand drugs, and you don't use any of the other products those companies make. A prescribed Rogan "kitchen sink", and most other prescribed drugs, plus Rogan supplements, would also be off the table. Have you gone back to the blood letting, hemlock, and wormwood, method, that kept everyone alive for a "long and healthy" 55 years?
Do you also walk everywhere, or have you found an automobile manufacturer that hasn't lost a lawsuit?
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@Bobsbusters Israel is the Nazis, dumb dumb. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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There's actually widespread agreement that a single individual's reasoning shouldn't be taken as objective knowledge, or truth. That's why we now use empirical justification, and consensus. Reasoning "your own truth" isn't necessarily scientific, nor reality, at all.
While I agree that "self" preservation is the basis for morality, those with a very narrow sense of "self", that literally only covers themselves, and don't care about anyone else, aren't all that moral. Being more moral comes from extending that sense of "self" to others, caring about others as you care about yourself. Rand's is a narcissistic philosophy, that even many animals get beyond.
Human reality is that we aren't all the same, and we can adapt, learn, change. There is no "natural", across the board, human greed. Many of us want to work together, and look out for each other, and it is possible to teach that to others. That's how our societies evolved to even being a place where a woman's philosophy was taken seriously, where she could make her own money, where she could vote, etc. Or, a poor immigrant. If enough people had considered immigrants a threat to themselves, she could have been sent packing. She totally benefited from a society that had evolved beyond everyone only looking out for themselves.
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@j___9594 Empirical evidence is objective, and we go through day to day life trusting our senses, but senses can be flawed, tricked from the wrong perspective, or some sich. That's why we rely on consensus. Not because number of believers equates to truth, but because numbers making the same objective empirical observations decreases the chance of error. If I observe an item on a table to be a flower, and dozens of other people observe it to be a stone, then odds are I'm hallucinating, the light is reflecting in a weird way from my perspective, or something of the sort, and the truth is that there's a rock on the table. Allowing every individual to have their own truth, their own knowledge, would mean it's true the item is both a rock and a flower, which makes no sense. You'd have to accept every individual claim of a religious experience, seeing a ghost, or being abducted by aliens, as "knowing" gods, ghosts, or aliens, exist, it being "true" they exist, if justification is not required for actual "knowledge" or "truth".
Not only would you allow for an individual's flawed observations to be "truth" or "knowledge", but you'd also have to allow for unjustified subjective beliefs to be, as well. Someone could declare they "know" anything, claim anything to be "true", and you're not requiring them to show any justification. Numerous people are simply taught to accept unjustified subjective beliefs as being "true". They don't even necessarily have a claimed personal experience, but still declare they "know", still declare what they believe is "true". Now all the religious people's conflicting claims can't all be true, if there's a single truth, but if you allow that each individual can have their own truth, then they can all be true. That's not logical.
Reasoning should tell us that there isn't "my truth" and "your truth", that there's only "the truth".
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@klauskinski5969 AOC never once promoted paralyzing the house, or even threatening to paralyze the house. That's Dore knob slander.
Dore's was a "plan" to get a performance art vote, that doesn't get you anywhere closer to ever passing M4A. Actually adding M4A yes votes to congress, as Justice Dems and AOC have helped do, actually gets you closer to ever being able to pass the bill. He used that performance art "plan" to slander anyone who didn't go along with him.
He lied to everyone, that his unamended wouldn't have handed the speakership to McCarthy. It would have. He slandered anyone who pointed it out. Dore's unamended "plan" was to have 15 progressives simply "withhold" their votes, to "not vote for" Pelosi. His original wording, repeated numerous times, before others amended it, implied simply abstaining. He never mentioned a need to cast protest votes. For every 2 empty seats, absentees, or abstentions, the threshold needed to win is lowered by 1. 2 empty seats, plus 15 abstentions, would lower the threshold to 210. Even if every other Dem voted Pelosi, she could only get 207. If every Rep voted McCarthy, he'd have gotten 211, and won. Dore is a complete and utter moron. A "good lefite" that has repeatedly promoted handing power to Republicans.
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@klauskinski5969 No. Dore shows her saying one thing, claims she said something else, and morons lap it up. Show me a single speech, or video, where AOC ever ran on paralyzing, or threatening to paralyze, the house.
Votes on bills are not samesies as impeachment votes, ffs. Every new session of congress, you already get a new list of names of members of congress who won't sign on to the M4A bill. There was already a list of names of those who wouldn't sign onto the bill, during a pandemic. Pelosi actually introduced the M4A bill, last session. The parliamentarian sent it to committees. You also have a list of names of committee members who let the bill die, during a pandemic. The bill has been reintroduced, this session, and is again sitting in committees. You've got a list of names of committee members who are currently sitting on the bill, that you could be harrassing to take the bill up. Instead, you lot just keep slandering M4A's most ardent congressional supporters.
How has letting Republicans win, again, and again, instead of keeping them out of power, benefitted anyone who isn't rich?
Now you're slandering this, and other channels. The idea is stick to trying to take over the party. The 30 year old broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems, in just 4 years. AOC used her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, and helped add a few more to congress, in just 2 years. Dore promotes a route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, hasn't won the most popular progressive third party a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. He promotes a fantasy, that the third party route would be quicker, and also promotes the fantasy that some third party will only ever produce perfectly perfect incorruptible puritan progressives, when we have former Green candidate, Kyrsten Sinema, as evidence that's not true.
The cycle has been to give up on Dems and let Republicans win, over and over. It's moronic. Treat the primaries as the major progressive battlefield, but still vote in the general to never have Republicans in power again, even if you lose the primaries. You would have wanted Clinton or Biden voters to turn around and vote Bernie, vote blue no matter who, if he had won the primaries, right? Or would you have wanted to see Bernie lose in the generals, and see Trump win, like a "true" progressive?
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Michael Thomas Government bureaucracy? Rofl. No, your increased administrative costs, are caused by having so many different private insurers, different kinds of plans, and different ways of filling out forms. Every other developed country has lower administrative costs. You seem to be clueless about this topic.
Bullshit. Everyone knows it's not completely "free", just that it's free at point of use. Just like an infrastructure bill is paid for with taxes, but you don't pay to drive down the road or across a bridge. Your health care system is bankrupting people. Your system is sending over a million people a year to get surgeries in super cheap places, like India. You get subpar results for extremely high costs. That is a completely moronic system. Straight up dumb. It is quite reasonable to come up with a new way of doing things, and it's not demagoguery to do so. That's stupid.
Not sure what you're not understanding. You were having negative migration flow, with Mexico. That means more Mexicans were going back than were coming in, stupid. There was no crisis. Plus, Texas found that undocumented immigrants added more to state revenue than they cost. You realize they pay property taxes, where they live ... they pay sales taxes, where they shop ... and that the majority fill out yearly income tax. They are paying into services, like Medicare and social security, which they can't benefit from. A wall will not fix that bigots are clueless and stupid ... and, yes, your moron president promised Mexico would pay for it. That is really promising something free, if another country is going to pay for it ... which it didn't ... and won't. That is your actual demagogue and chief.
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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Stop pretending like you care if people have healthcare. You didn't in 2016. You didn't this election cycle. Slandering progressives who just added more yes votes to congress and going third party won't even win you a seat in congress in 50 years, let alone get anyone healthcare, but could split progressive voting enough to hand the Dem party back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades.
The progressive caucus is maybe only another election away from becoming the majority of house Dems. Then they can actually pick the speaker in caucus, and bring M4A up for a vote as often as they want. All they can do now is paralyze the house. Corporate Dems can just let them, and then blame progressives for people not getting new covid relief, not getting more unemployment extions, not getting more vaccine funding, not getting a minimum wage increase etc., during a pandemic.
If anyone is a "fake", "shill", or "sellout", it's Jimmy Dore, who keeps encouraging progressives to take the dumbest road possible.
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@joeshmoe4671 You're right, a lot of the world are morons, and/or complicit. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@jeffbell5125 Depends. Some anthropologists use broader definitions, which include ancestor spirit worship, even if you don't believe in gods. Some even use very broad definitions, and include extreme, very ritualistic sports fans, with their lucky this, or lucky that, fanatic devotion to their teams, adjusting their lives around it, hating others over it, etc.
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@twoshedsjohnson8540 No. It's actually the removal of a government protection that would make them partly responsible for information being spread on their platforms. If I owned a newspaper and magazine shop, and some magazine snuck child porn into the pages, then I wouldn't be protected from helping spread child porn, especially if I've been notified of the situation and keep allowing it.
That's different from right wingers, who are pissed because they're not spreading information that they want them to spread, and want to somehow make them spread the information they want them to spread. If I owned a newspaper and magazine shop, but didn't want to stock tabloids, that's up to me. It's not "censorship", if I choose not to. But, that's exactly what Republicans, like Cruz, are pretending it is.
Facebook's algorithm was just found to be leaning right wing, and Zuckerberg donates more to Republicans, btw.
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@twoshedsjohnson8540 Once again, removing your protection from defamation lawsuits, or whatnot, isn't censorship. Plotting to commit an act of terrorism is already illegal. If there's a regulation protecting me from being considered an accomplice, I could let people plot terrorism in my garage without a care. Removing that protection, leaving me unprotected, and having to care who uses my garage, isn't censorship. Again, it's already illegal. It's just a matter of whether I can be considered complicit, or not.
Getting pissed because I'm not letting someone use my garage, that you want me to, and trying to find a way to force me to, is a whole other ballgame.
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@Farvadude Pretty bad analogy, dumb dumb. That's pretty much the whole point specifically about "public accommodations", which a website isn't. If you allow it, then all the food places, lodgings, gas stations, in an area could put up "no gays allowed" or "no blacks allowed" signs, then people could be left stranded, hungry, with no place to stay, and depending on where they were, no, there may not be another one for dozens and dozens of miles.
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@Farvadude Rofl, if you think I failed to take apart your, can't they just go elsewhere, basis, then you have reading comprehension problems. Some places are designated "public accomodations" for that exact reason. If you don't want to make cakes for gay people, then just don't register your business as open to the public. Register as a private club, like Costco, or gyms, only with a religious requirement, or outright register as a religious organization. Nobody is forcing them to register as what's considered a "public accommodation". Online platforms are clubs, with registration, and agreements to terms of service. They aren't "public accomodations".
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@McKae00 Ah, so the rise of illiteracy shouldn't be counted as going backwards. Got it.
The constant warring within, to fill the power vacuum, followed by waves of invasions from without, was an improvement ... for who exactly?
The loss of any commoner legal citizenship rights, property rights, any voices in government, and the serfdom that came with feudalism, was an improvement for who exactly? Even the first steps towards something like a parliament wouldn't come around for many centuries.
Trade routes collapsing, hygiene and sanitation decline, sickness rising, was an improvement for who exactly? Populations dropped. Was everyone so happy, they were just dropping dead with glee?
Roads falling into disrepair, or ripped up to use the stones for something else, because there was no infrastructure to simply make more stones, was an improvement for who exactly?
What were these grand improvements, between 500 and 800 CE?
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@63rambler66 So grandpa went from fighting Nazis to living with Nazis? Zionists are colonizers, ethnic cleansers, and occupiers, operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. They are Nazis. Those Zionists definitely did "cry like babies" about what Russia and Germany did to them, and used it as grounds to do those same things to Palestinians. They also did resort to terrorism, massacres, assassinations, and rape. Likud was founded by the leaders of the Irgun (bombed Palestinian markets, murdering men, women, and children, also bombed the King David Hotel) and Lehi (considered worse than Irgun, even tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain). Those terrorists were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected those terrorist leaders as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes".
Palestinians have Canaanite DNA dimwit. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. All, or part, of the region has been called some variation of Palestine by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks (Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be "in Palestine"), Western Romans, Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims, Christian crusaders, Ottomans, British, and even the first Zionist congress, who wanted to create a home "in Palestine". And, there was a handful of documentation of the people being called Palestinians, during those previous times, as well (I don't use my provincial identifier as much as my national one, but for someone to claim I don't have one, would be moronic). What else would you call an inhabitant of Palestine? That's what the British were calling them, during the mandate.
You're a complete and utter moron.
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It goes even deeper than that.
Say Apple ships 1m phones from China to the US, along protected shipping lanes, and 1m American customers buy those phones. Apple has benefited from that protection a million times more than each of those American customers. They should be paying a million times more for that protection.
Or, take Amazon. If they move a million goods, across US roads, to a million customers, same deal ... they have benefited a million times more from the roads, than each of those million customers. But, they somehow pay no taxes.
It goes on and on, with them paying no taxes, or their customers paying all their taxes for them, while they get most of the benefit. There are so many ways corporations don't pay their share.
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@paulnejtek6588 YouTube not liking some words, so had to remove some vowels ...
When I first posted this, 6 months ago, I tried including links, but YouTube didn't like and deleted. You can find a bunch of the info on the Jwish Virtual Library: Ze'ev Jabotinsky's Iron Wall, population of mandate and first 1948 population of IL, Likud's 77 platform. Google: Einstein letter NYT 1948, IL celebrates Irgun. Wiki (like with any Wiki, just double check it's sourced properly): 1945 Village Statistics (has actual scans), Irgun, Lehi, Irgun attcks, revisionist Znism, Likud (1999 platform), etc. The JVL and The Balfour Project also have earlier British reports, and other mandate info. You can search British Hansard for mandate era parliament debates, as well.
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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@eeegrow2744 He's an idiot. If a country is letting asymptomatic people wander around, spreading the virus, waiting for people with symptoms to come in and get a test, then they're going to find more and more positive results as more and more people get infected and come in to get tested, because the virus is spreading, and they'll never get ahead of the virus. Countries with very high trace testing rates, that get as many people as possible who may have come into contact with an infected person to get tested, then they can find and isolate any asymptomatic carriers, and get ahead of the virus. The fact that a country can test hundreds of people per confirmed case, is absolute proof that simply testing more people doesn't equate to finding more cases. All countries would have similar tests per confirmed case rates, if your bullshit was true.
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@Lisa-pl6gv Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@wjumeau Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Rofl! The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 50 year existence. Green hasn't won a single seat in congress in its 20 year existence. Even if the entire progressive caucus was third party, that would hand Republicans the house, senate, and presidency. It could take centuries, for a third party to get the numbers to actually pass anything. There's nothing more incremental than voting third party.
On the flip side, the 30 year old progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems, when they'd have the ability to set the party agenda, and pick the party speaker. The 6 year old Justice Dems have 11 seats. Whatever you think of those progressives, it clearly shows that the method, of running within the party, is the faster way to take them out. That's because, if a progressive can make it through a primary, then they get the benefit of vote blue no matter who, when it comes to defeating the Republican, in the general.
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@CR33SIVE "The idea that Jews would’ve out of hand rejected any state that had Arabs on it or always had a plan of expulsion, it’s just betrayed by the acceptance of the 47 partition plan." ~ Bonnell
"I see in the realisation of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of full redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine." ~ Ben Gurion
∆ Accepting a plan is, in no way, evidence that those accepting considered the borders permanent, nor evidence of them accepting the current demographics within those borders. The 1948 post Nakba population of Israel was 716700 Jews and 156000+ non-Jews. If 711000+ non-Jews were Nakba refugees, that means the pre-Nakba population of what became Israel, had 150000+ more non-Jews than Jews. To believe they had zero intention to cleanse the non-Jewish majority requires believing they had zero intention to create a Jewish majority state.
This demographic reality was also evidenced in a 1945 Village Statistics survey, done by the British. It showed that the Zionists owned just 5% of the land, and weren't a majority in any districts. There was no possibility of becoming a Jewish majority state, just by adding border lines. It was going to require moving people.
Ben Gurion was a "moderate", btw. The Revisionists, who would found the Irgun, Lehi, and Likud, were always open about wanting it all, and opposed partial deals.
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To actually get Pelosi out, or prevent someone worse being picked, you'd need the majority of votes in the Dem caucus. Blocking her at the house vote just paralyzes the house. It then goes back to Dem caucus, where they can keep picking Pelosi as their speaker choice over and over and over, or someone worse. How long do progressives paralyze the house as they get blamed for no new covid relief, no minimum wage hike, no Medicare age reduction, no student debt relief, or whatever else they can use to make progressives look bad in the eyes of the people?
If Dore is right, that corporate Dems would rather work with Republicans than progressives, that's actually an argument against his tactic, not for it. Corporate Dems could work a deal with Republicans to dodge paralyzing the house. Pelosi could quietly agree to a Republican request in exchange for having enough Republicans play sick, or abstain, lowering the threshold needed for her to win.
None of the movements you mentioned included threatening to paralyze the house. AOC just did exactly what needs doing, used her platform and PAC to help get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress, going against DCCC backed corporate Dems. Exactly the thing that would still need doing after the vote fails by almost 100 votes (it only has 124 people signed on, and would need 218 to pass a full house vote, so not sure where you're getting 30 from). If you, or Jimmy, have 100 (or even 30) new pro-M4A candidates in your back pockets, why didn't you run them in the election that just happened? I'm sure AOC would have done what she could to help them get elected too. Or are these 100 new candidates going to magically appear after a failed vote?
It only took a single question, to get Biden to say he'd veto M4A. It doesn't seem that hard to get a politician to publicly say they're opposed to M4A without having to threaten to paralyze the house.
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@whyamimrpink78 Again, dumb dumb ... Trump was the government, the head of government, and he (the government) convinced tens of millions of you sheep not to believe any media, any other politicians, any judges, any lawyers, any law enforcement, any election officials, any scientists, any doctors, any nurses ... anybody ... even to not believe your own lying eyes, if any of them contradicted him (the government).
Hearing from numerous different governments that often can't agree on much, different media outlets, different scientists, and different medical professionals, from all over the world, and accepting reality, is the opposite of being herded around by a single government shepherd.
Wearing a seatbelt while driving, just seems reasonable. Wearing a hardhat on a construction site just seems reasonable. Wearing a hazmat suit when working with dangerous chemicals just seems reasonable. Wearing a mask during a pandemic just seems reasonable. I think you ignore warning labels, or prescribed doses, on medication, to prove you can think for yourself, and have taken something that has caused brain damage.
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The top 1% pays about 30% of taxes. They also own about 30% of wealth. The bottom 50% pyas about 3% of taxes, but they only own about 1.5% of wealth. So, the bottom 50% are paying 2:1, while the top 1% is paying 1:1.
Of the top 1%, most of the tax payers are also the lesser wealthy, that have high taxable incomes. The Elon Musk, who only claims a $1 Tesla income, or the Bezos, who only claims an $80k Amazon income, and who live off of the value of their stocks, pay hardly any taxes relative to their wealth owned. They are paying far lower than even 1:1.
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@101RadioheadCovers Yeah, Netanyahu had to form a political alliance, to stay in power, and he allied with some of the worst extremists. The guy he put in charge of the West Bank had previously been arrested for planned terrorism, he's a religious nut bigot who compares homosexuality to bestiality, he's a racist who says "Palestinian" people don't exist, and he made public a psychotic plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jews in all of Israel/Palestine. He wants all of what he thinks was the God given land of Israel, and the map of "Israel" that he has on his wall, includes parts of Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
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@chop54321 You're the one spouting the dumbest crap, here. The point is that if you agree on regulating some "arms", then you're agreeing the regulating "arms" can work. Then it's a matter of where to draw the line, if any, and why.
Vehicle related deaths are now lower than firearm deaths, in the US. You can thank regulations and safety standards like licensing, safety inspections, insurance, speed limits, seatbelt laws, drinking and driving laws, no driving zones, airbags, etc. Plus, like a knife, a vehicle has other purposes, and fulfills those purposes the vast majority of the time without incident. A gun has no other purpose, and when you pull it out to use it, it generally shoots shit.
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@adaminfinity1733 Absolutely nobody said vaccines were 100%. No vaccine is 100%.
In a highly vaccinated population: There are dozens to thousands of measles and mumps breakthroughs a year, in the US alone. The mumps vaccine is about 88% effective, and about 90% of kids get vaccinated, due to public school mandates. So, here's how a breakout works ... In a population of say 1000 kids, 100 have zero protection, and 900 have 88% protection. That means 100 unvaccinated kids, and about 108 vaccinated kids, have the potential of catching the mumps, if it is introduced into the community. That would be 52% of the cases having been vaccinated.
The more you lower the vaccination rate, the more people would end up catching the virus, and the more unvaccinated cases you'd see. If only 65% of the kids were vaccinated (the US covid vaccination rate), that would be 350 unvaccinated kids, and about 78 vaccinated kids, with the potential to catch mumps. So that's about 18% of those with mumps being vaccinated, but more actual cases of mumps.
A higher percentage of vaccinated people in the hospital is what you want to see, in a highly vaccinated population. Without the vaccine, there would be the potential for all 1000 kids to catch the mumps, and even though that's 0% vaccinated infections, that's what you wouldn't want to see, and which is what you seem to be ignoring.
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@danielarista1352 Israel is objectively the aggressor, btw, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@Thatsnotgonnawork Nope. She votes against the State Department appropriation bill, which contains the annual offensive aid to IL, every single year. If you're trashing her for voting for the entire budget (including SNAP, SSDI, SSI, housing, Medicaid, Medicare, education, etc., etc., etc.), then you're a complete and utter maroon.
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@spacetoast7783 I meant your last post was ironic, dumb dumb.
I don't know what your superior reading skills read in the op, but I read the "if true" as a response to the title question, "Is Biden abandoning the Public Option?"
I also don't know what your superior reading skills read in the press release, but I read that the clear answer to the title question is "not true", because of the very fact that they're still promoting that Biden has a public option plan. David simply speculating that he hasn't abandon it, saying there's no evidence he has, instead of pointing to evidence he hasn't, doesn't really clearly answer his own title question, allowing for "if true" to be an option. What I quoted seems to provide the op the answer "not true".
Do carry on with your irrelevant gibberish, though.
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@JaysSavvy But I have been treated in the US, while there (didn't go there to be treated), have seen others treated, and heard first hand accounts of how others were treated. I was with an organization for people with disabilities, for over 20 years. You're mental telepathy appears to not work. You haven't guessed one thing right about me.
You mean like Insulin? HAART? Medium 199 and "Toronto method"? T-cell receptor gene? Cystic fibrosis gene? ... Canada has had plenty of medical breakthroughs. Canada, and many other developed countries, put out more scientific publications per capita than the US does. Specifically biomed, the US comes in 11 and Canada 13, per capita. Canada has slightly more hospital beds and doctors per capita, for half the cost. Canada has a higher life expectancy, and lower infant and maternal mortality.
You're spewing bullshit.
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@passyourielts A) If some company did decide to eat some of their profit, that would be purely voluntary, and still makes it pure bullshit when Yang claims a VAT makes it "impossible" for corporations to avoid paying taxes. All they have to do is not do that, and follow the design.
B) These giant tech corporations are already operating in countries with a VAT, and they aren't eating jack shit. When the EU has made VAT adjustments, they have passed along the full change in VAT.
C) The VAT pass through studies that say there's only a 50% pass through are ones looking at the whole economy ... including partially rated, zero rated, exempt, etc. Even Yang's own link to a pass through study states that when looking at just standard rated goods and services, they found a 100% pass through, which matches other studies. Most companies even "prepared" for VAT increases, uping their prices months ahead of time and simply pocketing the extra until the VAT increase kicked in.
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@justanotherguy1794 I don't consider corporate Dems, neoliberals, Reps, neocons, or whatever you want to call any of them, to be "left". So, Jimmy is joining with idiots who erroneously call right wingers, like Biden, "left", to argue it's not a right vs left thing?
If Dore could convince the working class, the poor, to vote for someone, wouldn't it be for someone on the left? His PPM buddies are all a bunch of lefties. Or, would Jimmy get them to vote for an anti-M4A, anti social safety net, anti public education, etc., Libertarian, just because the candidate totally isn't a racist, but would like the government to not interfere with businesses' "right" to discriminate?
Republicans are outright working against workers and the poor. Corporate Dems aren't doing all they can for workers and the poor, and a bunch are also actively working against them. Who, on the right, is fighting the class war .. on the side of workers and the poor?
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@SethAndrews111 Israel was founded on terrorism, and elected terrorists, dumb dumb. Look up the Irgun, Lehi, and Menachem Begin. They still celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They taught their neighbours everything.
Rivlin hosts 90th anniversary of founding Irgun Zvai Leumi (Etzel)
By GREER FAY CASHMAN Published: MARCH 1, 2021
"Etzel is most famously known for the bombing of the King David Hotel on July 22, 1946"
They also bombed many Palestinian markets, killing civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism).
Prior to Oct 7, Israel had 1200+ Palestinian hostages, held without charges, the IDF and settlers had killed 200+ Palestinians, Israel continued its unending colonization of the West Bank, and its continued operation of an open air WWII style fascist ghetto.
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@somas7293 No, dumb dumb.
An authoritarian brand of communism, like Stalinism, is the reason, the philosophy, behind reworking the agriculture system. That reworking of the agriculture system caused the deaths of millions.
Capitalism, making profits, was the reason, the philosophy, behind the British Empire exporting food out of India. That exporting of food caused the deaths of millions.
Both of those could be considered "tyranny", dumbass. Just like both, the lower class rebelling against and overthrowing the upper class, or invading another country to profit from their resources, can each be considered "war".
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@luciferkotsutempchannel A "grifter", like a snake oil salesman, says they're selling you one thing, but what you actually get is something completely useless, or even harmful.
Dore sells himself to idiots as the one true champion of healthcare. But, in reality, he promoted Trump (platform: toss 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option than Clinton (platform: add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion); peddled Tulsi (public option ... no not the Australian model, which was a lie) over Bernie (M4A); he used a pointless performance art vote to slander progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime; he publicly abandoned Nina Turner ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate and yes vote to congress; and, he peddles yet another third party, when the third party route hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. What grifter Dore has actually been selling is the less benefitial healthcare option, the slowest possible way to ever get M4A, and even going completely backwards on healthcare.
He sells himself as pro vaccine. But, in reality, he peddles vaccine misinformation, leaving out every single positive vaccine sentence in multiple articles; he outright lies that a vaccine doesn't protect anyone else, and slanders those who say otherwise; he outright lies about what articles say; he peddles unproven covid remedies, like ivermectin, even peddling the most extreme misinformation, that ivermectin is an effective preventative. What grifter Dore actually promotes is vaccine hesitancy and not needing a vaccine.
Dore sells himself as anti-war. But, he peddled Tulsi "I'm a hawk" Gabbard; after Trump dropped more bombs than Obama, Dore didn't seem to care, and spent the general running constant attack ads against Trump's only remaining viable opponent, Biden; he whined like right wing bitches about Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan; he has no interest in Biden reducing drone strikes; and he constantly bitches and whines about a UN report that had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria, instead of constantly attacking the person who bombed Syria, Trump. What grifter Dore is actually selling is more bombing, criticism of ending war, and indifference to less bombing.
Dore portrays continuing to support Dems as the definition of insanity. But, in reality voters haven't continued to support Dems and kept Republicans out of power. What voters have done is repeatedly given up on Dems, let Republicans who repeatedly move further right win, and then the corporate Dems meet the Republicans in the new "middle", because that's where they think more votes lie. It is actually Dore that has repeatedly proposed giving up on Dems and letting Republicans win, which is the exact cycle the country has been in, for decades. He is the insane one, by the very definition of doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.
Dore sells himself as a supporter of free speech. But, he peddles the right wing narrative that private "leftist" corporations are taking away your free speech rights, when the fact is you don't have free speech rights on someone else's private property, and never did; he doesn't point this out and doesn't promote public ownership, which would give you free speech rights; he has censored his own guest, for saying Sam Sender's name; and he didn't point out to his good buddy, white nationalist, Tucker Carlson, that incitement and defamation aren't even protected speech, nope he just agreed with Tucker's right wing takes.
All of this increasing his right wing audience and makes him more money.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@hwajuhwarang I'd suggest this because it's exactly not who the candidate is claiming will pay the tax, meaning they're either clueless or lying, neither of which is a good attribute for running a country. If lying, it's the same "humanity first" candidate who originally didn't have UBI stack with anything. On his own, he thought it was a good idea to toss the elderly off social security, veterans off VA benefits, and disabled people off SSDI, until he got negative feedback. Even now, he still thinks it's a good idea to make disabled people on SSI have to choose.
I'd suggest this, because massive inequality and automation are huge problems, so why would speeding up either, and likely both, be a good thing? The top 3000 US corporations are already hoarding $2.7t. If you're going to have a UBI, that should be what pays for it. You shouldn't be increasing the hoard at an even faster rate.
While the plan makes Bezos extra billions a year, there are millions of disabled people collecting SSI and SNAP who will get zero economic benefit from the UBI. Even if they do opt out of the UBI, they can't opt out of the VAT, and will be worse off. That's fucked up.
Where are you getting free counseling from? While his end healthcare goal might be universal coverage, his transition to that is a public option, which isn't taxpayer funded, at all. A public option creates a public insurance that then competes with private insurance, paid for with a premium, and you have the option of not signing up, and not paying, for it. LA tried that, in hopes it would lead to universal coverage, and 6 years in they're nowhere close. Everyone with marriage problems will be long divorced before universal coverage happens, if it ever does, using that method.
Odd headline? His VAT page, what he says about his key tax, is mostly bullshit.
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@stevemarchando4132 If my business has purchased $100 in Facebook data, $100 in Google ads, and $100 in automated truck delivery miles from Amazon, those costs will be included in the price of my own good and service. Add a 10% VAT, and I've paid $30 input VAT on that $300. I charge my customer that $300 + $200 profit. They pay me $50 in ouput VAT. I reclaim my $30, paying myself back. I send $20 to the government, who got $50 total. And, the consumer paid $50. The consumers end up paying a tax on their own data, a tax to be shown ads, and a tax on the automation taking their jobs.
If you argue to ditch the VAT reclaim, then it can get even worse, with businesses passing their tax along as a cost, and the final consumer could end up paying their tax, multiple businesses' taxes, and taxes upon taxes.
Not only are actual exempt services the less common "specialized" cases, the vast majority are final consumer services, and would be found in the middle of a chain extremely rarely. A business doesn't go to a doctor. An individual goes to a doctor. So, if a doctor has $50 in VATable costs, paying $5, it actually saves the final consumer money if the doctor simply slips in the $5 cost to their $100 price ($105 vs $110). Since it's usually at the end of the chain, it would very rarely lead to stacking.
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@jaccl4539 The math, tells you the amount of people you need for a war, ffs. Manchin doesn't need anyone else, in a 50/50 senate. If Dems had 51 seats, he'd have no power. 52 seats, and he and Sinema would have no power. They could be completely ignored. You'd never hear about them, because they couldn't then be a cog in anyone's wheel. They'd have no power to wage war.
Sure, the entire progressive caucus could have held up infrastructure, but just AOC, and just the squad, couldn't. 13 Republicans voted for it. That takes away the ability to wage war, unless you have 17 people on board to wage war. Numbers are everything.
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@SMP1993 So you're expanding the issue from not just one person, and not even the original 4 person squad, or the new 7 person squad, but beyond the squad to some 14 persons. That the progressive caucus could have done something, or 14 of them could do something, is a different argument than the squad, or AOC, being able to do much of anything. The progressive caucus definitely screwed up, and the squad called out those who voted for the bill.
Just so we're clear ... some Dems actually do want to pass some things, including Biden? It's not like they don't care if nothing passes? Because, calling bills "must pass" entirely rests on the premise they actually want to accomplish something, unlike the majority of Republicans who just want to tank everything. Dore knobs often then turn around and make out like corporate Dems and Republicans are samesies, which makes the "must pass" argument incoherent.
So, you think that if there was a 14 person squad, and they could threaten to block the bill, then Biden would get involved and pressure Manchin? So, does Manchin care if the bill tanks, or no? If not, why would he care what Biden says? If yes, what makes you think he'd move left, instead of simply making some other concessions to Republicans, to get a few more of them on board, for "bipartisanship"? His entire argument was that he didn't want a bill that had only Democrat support. Why would he suddenly move in a direction that would lose him his Republican friends' votes? Then you'd have to increase your squad numbers even more, and I still don't understand why you think Manchin wouldn't just amend the bill even further right.
If Pelosi, or the DNC, are getting AOC to campaign for Nina, and getting her to help get Cori, Bowman, and Mondaire, get elected, then maybe they aren't so bad. Or, maybe, just maybe, she isn't doing their bidding, and they are pretty bad.
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Then they're Nazi apologists.
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@claybrown1258 Moron. How the fuck does the right have both Ayn Rand spouting right libertarian types and authoritarian crony capitalist fascist types? How the fuck is calling for gays to be killed, or pushing conversion "therapy", or the "right" to discriminate, "inclusive"? How the fuck is regularly calling a penisless, sexless, imaginary friend "him" or "father", but not seeming to understand the difference between sex and gender when it comes to humans, compatible? How the fuck is calling for throwing people who do get abortions in jail, "inclusive"? How the fuck is most of them thinking you, a supposed atheist, to be the least trustworthy group in the country, at all accepting? Just sounds like they're being two faced. How the fuck is both claiming to be for democracy and supporting every fascist dictator on the planet, compatible? Etc. The right has boatloads of contradictions and non acceptance, you dumb shit.
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Nah. While they had started their Red Scare nonsense earlier, there was a Southern Strategy, 55 years ago, collecting the Southern racist nuts (no, the most racist states in the country didn't magically become the least racist ... they simply started voting for a different party, whose Southern candidates were just as racist, and also voted against Civil Rights). Then they started collecting the religious nuts, about 45 years ago, like Falwell's Moral Majority. Then started integrating in some really far right economics, from Libertarian/Objectivist types, wanting full deregulation (economically, the party had become almost the complete opposite of the Teddy Roosevelt party, and his Square Deal, by the time of Reagan). But, even Reagan handed out amnesty for 3 million undocumented immigrants. MAGA morons are clearly even more racist and extreme, on that point.
While Republicans are still using the Red Scare tactics, they have become further and further removed from reality, as to what communism even is. Biden is no progressive, and even progressives aren't proposing anything that would move the US left of Denmark. The US is nowhere near the 50% unionization rate, and over 70% top tax rate, just before the mid 20th century. Republicans took things way right, and Democrats followed, "meeting them in the middle", as the middle moved further and further right. Biden is just a tiny step back to the left, nowhere near even FDR, let alone communism.
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@dennis3351 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@josephvargas7806 It did not lead to civil unrest. You're inventing "history". There was only a few weeks between one session ending and it being reintroduced at the beginning of the next session. There was no civil unrest in those few weeks. Civil unrest was during the summer before, and the summer after.
Women's suffrage had 3 votes in congress. Maybe you're thinking of some state level voting, because a number of states had already included women's voting rights, because it had become so popular, by the time it got to congress, after decades of women's activism. Some failed vote didn't spark activism, activism led to the voting.
It was also a constitutional amendment, requiring a super majority, and 3/4 of states to ratify it, at a time when voting didn't go down party lines (like during the Civil Rights Act, a higher percentage of the Republican party voted in favor, than the Democratic party, because politics wasn't samesies as today). The first was a vote to see who did and didn't support it. You already know which Democrats sign onto M4A, and with today's party partisanship know that no Republicans will magically up and vote for it.
The nineteenth was, literally, held back for a second vote, until they thought they did have the numbers. They, literally, saw no point in having a guaranteed to fail vote. When they thought they had the numbers, they brought it up for the second vote. It won a supermajority in the house, and only lost the supermajority in the senate by 2 votes. Not quite the same as a bill that is 100+ votes short in the house, alone, and won't even see a senate vote.
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@josephvargas7806 We're talking about congress voting on bills. Yes, the Civil Rights Act bill had majority support, when it came up for a vote. All the activism came before that, dimwit. There was no guaranteed to fail vote that sparked any civil unrest. The civil unrest sparked a vote. You Dore knobs want to do things backwards and, yes, you're the one rewriting history.
Pretty much the same with women's suffrage. There was decades of protesting, before it ever came up for a vote. Dying in committees for years, prior to that, where 90% of bills die, doesn't equate to a floor vote. Pelosi introduced M4A just last session, where it quietly died in committees, sparking zero civil unrest. Does that count, or not? Make up your minds.
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@josephvargas7806 There's a clear list of those who won't even sign onto the bill. It's 100+ votes short in the house alone. Trying to ferret out a few fakers is pointless, if you don't even have an extra 100+ viable pro-M4A candidates laying around to replace enough of the ones that are openly opposed to it. Any fakers could simply vote for it, knowing full well it wasn't going to pass. You need to get the bill to the point of having the potential to pass, to ferret out fakers.
The left end of the party doesn't have the same power to play hardball, as the right side of the party. There are zero extra out of party votes in the neighborhood of, or to the left of, the most progressive Dems. There is the entire Republican party, with members who vote similarly to Manchin, or are to the right of him. If progressives had say refused to revote on the $15 minimum, the bill would have gone to house-senate negotiations. If Manchin could bring enough Republicans on board to pass a $10 or $11 minimum wage, without progressives, then he'd win the negotiations, and minimum wage likely wouldn't be dealt with again until 2025.
Even the broader progressive caucus is still 10-15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. They still don't have the numbers to pick a different party speaker candidate. If they blocked the party's pick at the house speaker vote, the party could keep picking the same candidate over and over and over. There's no real power to replace Pelosi with someone more progressive, while the right side of the party does have the numbers to replace her with someone even worse.
There's some serious overestimating as to how much power progressives actually have in congress.
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@josephvargas7806 Yes, the number of cosigners tells you that you're already about 100 votes shy of the bill even passing the house. Trying to ferret out a few fakers, so you can increase the number to 105, or 110, is ridiculous. Get to work on converting or replacing the damn 100, first. If you had 100 viable pro-M4A candidates laying around, you should have pulled them out for the elections that just happened.
When the house was stalled over a house speaker vote, twice before the house simply adopted a temporary plurality wins vote. Paralyzing the house over a speaker vote is not the big power position some have made it out to be. Even with hindsight, knowing full well that people were complaining about covid relief not being done fast enough, you still think it would have been good to paralyze the house ... not to actually deliver healthcare, but simply to get a guaranteed to fail vote ... and that the masses would have loved progressives for delaying things longer?
You didn't make sense, saying the right side of the party wouldn't pick someone even worse than Pelosi, followed by saying they want corporate donors. That's an argument for picking someone who's an even worse corporate asskisser than her, not against.
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@whyamimrpink78 Some have no minimum wage, because they're 70-80% unionized, and don't need the government to step in. The US has gone from 40% unionized, in the early 50s, to 10% unionized. And they're working on destroying the biggest union left ... the teacher's union ... with privatized schools nonsense. If you're going to destroy workers' non-government bargaining power, then people are going to start asking the government to step in and do it for them.
I stopped watching your lying video, pretty quickly. Bernie has said, multiple times, that everyone would pay higher taxes, for healthcare, but that they wouldn't pay insurance premiums, or deductibles. So, it would save them money, in the end.
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@bherber I can compare any two people I want. You just compared them, yourself, and came to the conclusion that they're different. Aside from being a male, with more personality, what are the actual political platform differences, between Clinton and Biden?
Your anecdotal independent opinion is noted, but irrelevant to the fact that Bernie is popular with independents, overall. Bernie has swing support. Again, some 20% of Bernie supporters say they'll go Trump, if Bernie isn't the nominee. He's also popular with young voters, who are the least reliable to get out to the voting booth. If the Democrats don't pick a candidate that will draw more independents and get young people out to vote, it'll be the same as last time. Apathy with the status quo didn't get enough people out to vote in 2016.
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Force =\= fascism. That's nonsense. That would make most of history "fascist". Fascism: ultra-nationalistic, ultra-militaristic, authoritarian, anti-union, anti-socialism, anti-communism, backed by big business, backed by large landowners, backed by religious leaders, leaders in privatization, ...
Andy Ngo ... Proud Boy lap dog ... centre-right? lol
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@fredflintstone6729 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@justingaines207 Oh, rofl! Just saw that second comment. Washington warred against a monarchy to install a democracy, dumb dumb. He's, literally, the opposite of what you're arguing for. To compare the two is ridiculous.
Awesome Edward III warred against Scots trying to keep their independence, he started a war that lasted 116 years, drove the country into debt, nobility started rebelling under the strain until he granted parliament the right to tax, which led to even more taxes on peasants, the strain of which led to a massive peasant revolt early in Richard's reign, .... awesomely awesome stuff!!
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@vytalman No. It would be one thing, if all the governments magically signed onto it, and some central global government, like the UN, organized global distribution. And, all the governments using their power to enforce it, within their regions. It would be completely another, to suggest you could ditch elected officials to run and enforce it. That would require almost everyone, at an individual level, voluntarily be onboard.
Who is going to stop a group of people who don't care about resources, and think they have some god given right to a piece of land, from taking it? Who is going to stop Puritan loons from trying to spread their "purification", like the Puritans of old? Who is going to make all the people who don't want to do things that way, comply (you'd have about half of Americans ready to fight to not share)?
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@ssir5927 YouTube not liking something I'm saying ...
You think kings couldn't trade property with other kings, cede property to other kings, or take property from other kings? I don't think you've read an ounce of history.
That's not how your so called "unions" worked. The king would try to make sure their most loyal people were the most powerful, and if any others got uppity, they could definitely be taken out, and replaced. It happened all the time.
Who do you think was controlling the rent? Kings added new fees for people living on their property, all the time ... for this w-r, for that w-r, for ransoms, etc.
You think kings couldn't evict people from their property, unless they tried to k-ll him? People could be hauled off, tossed in prisons, or k-lled, for all kinds of reasons. The king made the rules, laws, for living on his property.
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@ssir5927 I literally said they were all tenants to the one on top, that the one on top owned everything.
Whatever pressures you think there were on them, they did what they thought was best for them, and they made the laws. That the tenants of my buildings could rise up and k-ll me, if they wanted, doesn't change the absolute fact that I own the buildings. And, in the vast majority of cases, if I'm taken out, or pass away, my property will go to my heir, just like with any other property ownership. Nothing you're going on about refutes that fact.
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@clintonflynn815 Sure, but this plan isn't going to get M4A now.
If you get the vote, which is guaranteed to fail, you get a list of names that'll be pretty much the same as the list of names you'll get when the bill is reintroduced in the new session anyway. And then you have to replace them, just like AOC just helped do.
Or, you don't get the vote, and corporate Dems let progressives paralyze the house and blame them for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc., during a pandemic.
Jimmy is exaggerating the potential gains and ignoring any potential risks. The idiot doesn't even grasp how the speaker vote actually works, as he's reading it aloud.
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@Galadriel333 She was for "Medicare choice", dipshit, and wanted to let people who liked their private healthcare keep it. That would make opting into Medicare an option, dumbass.
No he doesn't. It's the majority of votes cast that wins. He even brought up a webpage and read that aloud, but still didn't clue in that abstentions don't count as votes, absentees don't count as votes, unfilled seats don't count as votes. For every 2 of those, the threshold needed to win is reduced by 1. Although unlikely, it is possible for McCarthy to win. Jimmy dishonestly, or moronically, claims it's impossible.
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@andrefasset3266 Someone who just used their platform and PAC to help add more pro-M4A votes to congress isn't a fucking "fake", "shill", "sellout", or whatever other bullshit. It's the very thing that needs doing to ever pass a bill, it's the very thing you'd still need to do after a failed vote. Saying it's not fighting, not doing anything, means Jimmy's plan is to get a failed vote and then not fight and not do anything.
Show me the video where she ever advocated threatening to paralyze the house, and then flipped. She was obviously talking about getting a vote through normal means, you morons. Threatening to paralyze the house doesn't even guarantee you get a vote, you dumb shits. It could just get you a paralyzed house, during a pandemic, with corporate Dems blaming progressives for no new covid relief, no new unemployment extensions, no new vaccine funding, etc.
You morons grow up and stop slandering other progressives over a secondary tactics disagreement.
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@docvaliant721 Rofl. I know about polio, just fine, thanks. You didn't answer my questions. Refigeration and plumbing had been around for over a century, by 1950. What were the specitic major advances, between 1950 and 1960, that coincidentally happened at the exact same time as the vaccine rollout, which caused polio rates to plummet? How did the same thing coincidentally happen, at the exact same time as polio vaccine rollouts, across the world? This has to be one of the most amazing chain of coincidences ever recorded.
The main Salk vaccine worked just fine. There was an incident where a manufacturer made an error, but that wasn't something inherently wrong with the vaccine. The Salk vaccine doesn't use live virus samples, it uses dead ones, so can't give you polio. It is absolutely impossible for it to give you polio. How did you become so "well informed" and totally miss that major fact?
Yeah, nah, mRNA vaccines don't change your dna.
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Countries with higher tests per confirmed case rates then tend to have lower cases and deaths. The US had a pretty pathetic rate during much of the pandemic, as well as did the European countries that have had similar results to the US. And countries like S Korea, New Zealand, Australia, had incredibly high rates, testing hundreds of people per confirmed case. It's a pretty simple concept that, the broader your net, the better, and faster, you can find and isolate those who need to be isolated, and vastly reduce the spread.
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@TheRedStateBlue Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@ProudPatriot-t8x Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@brianchoo298 Umm, if the US had even a mediocre response, like Canada, Germany, Norway, Denmark, the deaths per million would translate into 300k+ fewer deaths. If the US actually had an amazing response, like S Korea, Vietnam, New Zealand, Australia, the deaths per million would translate into 400k+ fewer deaths. Thinking US numbers were "just science" is just stupidity.
Yes, goals matter. The US was founded by people who protested and rioted. Their opponents fought against democracy to keep an unelected ruler in power. The Civil Rights movement protested and rioted. Are the Asian haters in positions of authority? Do you know how protests work?
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Yes, we do. I'm not talking about them making rules for how things should run. I'm talking about when they own public schools, own the NHS or the primary form of health insurance, nationalize and own resources, or whatnot. Real world centrism is in the center, between all out capitalism and all out socialism. An evenly mixed economy, is a mix of half capitalism and half socialism. Yes, I already said they were corrupted, and didn't give up their dictatorship, but a dictatorship is part of the revolutionary path. You know right libertarians also argue fascism isn't true capitalism, yeah?
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@michaelfisher1537 No. You are. Likud was founded by Menachem Begin, terrorist leader of the Irgun, who bombed the King David Hotel. The Irgun targeted Palestinian Jews, alongside their Palestinian brothers and sisters, for not supporting colonialist Zionsim. Israel merged those Irgun terrorists ... child murderers, Jew murderers ... into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, Jew murderer, as PM. His Likud platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", declaring continued colonization and ethnic cleansing of all Palestine territories, putting Israel's Jews at constant threat from the native population fighting said colonialism. Israelis have also put themselves in the same boat as the Irgun and Likud, not just by electing them, but by continuing to celebrate the Irgun terrorists, Jew murderers, as "heroes", to this day.
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☝️Why can't you be tagged? Bot? Coward?
You seem to have left out the part where Weizmann told Faisal that Znsts didn't want to create their own state. Which means, what Faisal was agreeing to was a single state solution. It was the Znsts who didn't stick to that agreement.
You also left out that Al Qibla was run by Faisal's dad, Sharif Hussein. He was also likely lied to. But, you have helped prove that the Arabs/Muslims, were willing to open their arms and accept Jws, and that this isn't all about hting Jws.
You also left out how there were already Commodore, Tandy, and Apple, as well as Japanese companies, making personal computers. The world would have been just fine, without an already existing IBM chip being modified in IL.
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@KaiCross And, Native Americans reached a point where they wanted to push the colonizing white man back into the sea. What's your point?
It wasn't already there. Before the emergence of Israel, Judah, and Philistia, the region was controlled by Egypt. It was the first nation to control the region. The kingdom of Israel emerged at about the same time as Philistia, and was wiped out before it. The refugees from Israel fled to the little kingdom of Judah. That's how they all became Judahites instead of Israelites. Whatever area "Peleset", or "Philistia" first described, the term was then used to describe a larger area, throughout history, by the Greeks, Persians, Romans, Christians, Muslims, and even Jews.
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@woobiefuntime Nonsense. All the ones in Muslim nations, could have moved there whenever they wanted, over the course of 1300 years. Barely any did, until after Israel. There could have been lineups for hundreds of miles, for foreign Jews, to join up when Zionism first started. There wasn't. There was no indication of any massive desire to "return" to their "homeland", until the Russian pogroms and Nazis came along. Even then, many tried going to other countries first, and those countries loaded them up, and sent them on their way, to get rid of them.
Even if there was some great desire, that doesn't change the fact of what it was, colonialism. If I have some great desire to go "back" to England, round up about 6 million other people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, and we go "back" to England, claim half of the country, and force any current residents off of our half, we'd be colonizers and cleansers.
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@ultimosoneto674 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@thehawkguy Nope. All, or part, was called Philistia, Philistine, Palestine, of Filistin, by the Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, and Greeks, before the Romans. You're just lying.
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@gmeister3022 It is pretty much only a religious conflict, from the Zionist side. There was absolutely no basis, for sticking people from Europe and Russia, there, except some fairytale claim of "god given" land. Palestinians are reacting like pretty much all natives react to colonialism.
Zionist terrorist groups, Irgun and Lehi, targeted Palestinian Jews alongside their Palestinian brothers and sisters, because they didn't support colonialist Zionsim. You don't get to use people you murdered, as some ridiculous 1709 year old place holder. Plus, Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, dumb dumb. They are also likely the Jews of old, who simply converted and were Arabized (like Hispanic Native Americans).
Me rounding up people from the Americas, whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "going back", claiming half the country, and cleansing "our" half of its current inhabitants, would be a ridiculous notion. It would still be colonialism, if we had a superpower backer, to help force it on the current inhabitants. And, me, having some distant cousin living there, doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
Jews lived amongst Muslims for 1300 years, with few incidents. They had a Jewish "Golden Age". They were given refuge, when Christian nations offered conversion, death, or exile. The Ottomans even okayed the earliest form of Zionsim, which was closer to immigration than colonization. This whole thing is about the Balfour declaration, and Zionsim converting to colonialism. Native Americans reached a point where they wanted to push the white man back into the sea. It wasn't simply because they were white, dimwit.
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@ryanhubbard1885 Rofl. We've already been over the fact that culpability and intent are irrelevant to whether it's a "homicide", or not, and that you were reading things in my words that I didn't write. The medical examiner, knowing full well everything you mentioned, having been the one that did the autopsy, classified his death as a homicide (one person killing another person). The court can decide if the cop intended to kill him. The court can decide if the cops actions were justified, or unjustified. All still irrelevant to the fact that the medical examiner classified it as a homicide. Maybe some jurors will be like you, pretend they have medical degrees, and/or pretend they know better than the medical examiner who did the actual autopsy, by reading a paragraph that same medical examiner wrote.
The only one that seems to be having emotional problems, is you. You're desperate to strawman me, and pretend like I'm saying something I'm not saying. Desperate to assign a motive to what I'm saying. Do you agree that the medical examiner classified it as a homicide, or do you want to argue with reality?
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@ryanhubbard1885 Once again, dumb dumb, I haven't made an argument, one way, or the other, regarding the outcome of the case. You're totally inventing strawmen and arguing with yourself, on that count, like an idiot. Did the medical examiner, after taking the entirety of the autopsy into account, classify it as a homicide, yes or no?
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@ryanhubbard1885 Lol, not sure where you went off to, but I've never left that ground, as you've prattled on and on and on about nothing that will ever change the fact that the medical examiner (who performed the autopsy, wrote the report, and took into account all the things you pretend are being ignored in your insane ass backwards fantasy world) classified it a homicide. Not much I can do, but laugh, when someone is sooooo ass backwards crazy, that they think a medical expert taking all the information into account and reaching a conclusion isn't taking all the information into account, but them repeatedly focusing on a single piece of information is taking all the information into account. Laugh, as they repeatedly let everyone know they've got everything ass backwards. Laugh, as they Ironically insult themselves, because they do have everything ass backwards. Laugh, as they think their grade 3 reading comprehension level makes them more of a medical expert than the medical expert who wrote what they're reading. Laugh, as they prove they don't have a grade 3 reading comprehension level. Laugh, as they repeatedly let everyone know they failed at reading comprehension. Just endless laughs.
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People think she is smart? Most violent crimes surround personal relationships, and surprise, surprise, most personal relationships are same race relationships. Hard to stop friendships/relationships going bad. Who should we protest about that ... just protest against relationships in general?
Sure, there are also stranger on stranger crimes. But, these are already considered crimes. Police are out looking for a suspect to arrest. Police probably won't hesitate to shoot that suspect if they resist. So, where and what are you supposed to protest? The local gang hideout? Shout at them to behave themselves? If criminals would just listen to reason and quit, we wouldn't have any crime. It is beyond stupid to suggest protesting criminals.
Do police tend to go to whatever lengths it takes to bring their own to justice? No. They tend to protect their own, and so do the courts. The rate at which they're charged and convicted of similar crimes to other members of society is far less. Plenty of police departments have been found to use racial profiling, and excessive force. Now, a broken justice system is something you can protest. People whose salaries the public pays with taxes, to protect them, who then mistreat innocent members of the public .... that's something tax payers have every right to protest. If people you're paying are misbehaving, it's your duty and responsibility to get them to behave themselves, or get them out.
Numerous agencies, across the world, have been recording increases in far right extremism, hate crimes, and terrorism. Ridiculing facts doesn't make them go away. That you don't care is quite obvious.
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@Tyranitar Series Brazil: Right wing religious nut in power. Mixed economy that's nowhere close to outright socialism.
Venezuela: Left of centre, but still mixed economy. Also nowhere close to outright socialism. They nationalized a single resource and the US lost its mind, instigating strikes, plotting coups, freezing assets, implementing sanctions, formenting dissent, funding opposition, etc., etc., etc.
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@thehappyclam3942 Lol, fascism is a form of capitalism. Capitalism has a huge death toll, dumb dumb. If you're counting famines, and people starving, capitalism is still letting 9 million people starve to death, each year. That's 90 million a decade. That's 6.3 billion, since WWII. Plus, Mussolini promoted pulling yourself up by your bootstraps. Asking people to work together for the country, isn't very collectivist, if the country's economy is designed to make rich people richer. JFK told people to ask not what the country could do for them, but what they could do for the country. The first part is clearly not socialistic.
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@tonywilson4713 I suggest you instead see his first video on Israel-Palestine, after Oct 7, in which he threw anyone wanting to provide context under the bus with people outright cheering the attack. He didn't want anyone explaining anything Israel had done, prior to Oct 7, but then went on to explain what Israel would do, in turn, as if they were the defender, just like Piers Morgan. The only things I've really seen him criticize is turning off electricity, and bombing one refugee camp.
His peace plan is very adamant about needing to remove Hamas, but not nearly as adamant about needing to remove Likud. Likud's "between the sea and the Jordan" platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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@Feedmeakitten Want me to walk you through them, moron?
Dore video: "Hillary Presidency Worse For Progressives & America Than Trump". That's the same thing as Trump is better than Clinton, so he did, in fact, promote Trump as the better option than Clinton. In the video he vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming a Trump presidency would cause a massive progressive backlash that would "for sure" lead to progressives taking the house (nope), and senate (nope), in 2018, and the presidency (nope), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would vote against a Trump agenda (nope), instead of following him into all out fascism (nope). In his follow up debate, with Sam Seder, Jimmy also argued that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (nope). On top of peddling going completely backwards on healthcare, as the better option, all his predictions, to justify doing so, were completely wrong.
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@Feedmeakitten Oh man, you really told me.
Video: "Jimmy Dore: Why I support Tulsi over Bernie"
In it, Dore lies that Tulsi is the only candidate talking about spending too much on the military, as if Bernie hasn't said that, dozens of times over. Dore peddled her grift, for her, that she was anti-war.
“In short, when it comes to the war against terrorists, I’m a hawk. When it comes to counterproductive wars of regime change, I’m a dove.” - Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Tribune-Herald, 2016
The war on terror was used as grounds for almost every US intervention since 9/11. She was never anti-war. Dore was just an idiot, who didn't do his homework, and he was willing to abandon M4A, because of it.
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@MichaelAChristian1 Are you stupid in real life, or do you just play stupid on the interwebs? The evidence is that states with a majority racist white population switched parties, is that they clearly started voting for a different party. And yet there's zero evidence to support claiming they went from being the most racist voting block to being the least racist voting block.
1964 Civil Rights Act: House Republicans in Florida all voted nay, in Kentucky they all voted nay, in Missouri they were split, in N Carolina they all voted nay, in Tennessee they all voted nay, in Texas they all voted nay, in Virginia they all voted nay, ...
1968 Civil Rights Act: House Republicans in Alabama all voted nay, in Arizona they all voted nay, the one in Arkansas voted nay, in Florida they all voted nay, in Georgia they all voted nay, every nay vote in California was Republican, every nay vote in Indiana was Republican, every nay vote in Iowa was Republican, in Idaho they all voted nay, in Missouri they all voted nay, in N Carolina they all voted nay, in Ohio every nay vote was Republican, in S Carolina the Republican voted nay, in Tennessee they all voted nay, in Virginia they all voted nay, ...
There's zero evidence the Republicans they started voting for, in more racist places, were less racist. There's tons of evidence they simply voted for a racist in a different party. There's tons of evidence that party tried to appeal to those voters (not try and get Democrat politicians to switch sides). There's tons of evidence that millions of black Americans migrated to less racist states and black Americans across the nation switched to voting for Democrats.
You probably worship a being who, if they existed, "murders" the majority of "babies". You probably don't give a crap that tons of fertilized eggs are destroyed, used for science, or don't take, during the IVF process. You probably don't give a crap that scientists can now create an embryo from a sperm, without an egg, making every living sperm a potential human life. You probably also don't give a crap what happens to actual birthed babies. You anti-abortionists are some of the biggest bullshitting hypocrites going.
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@Meattemple Crimea isn't some different country. Russia invaded Ukraine, in 2014, occupied Crimea, and provided money, arms, and manpower, to a violent rebellion in Donbas. They didn't stop occupying Crimea, and didn't stop backing a violent rebellion in Donbas, under Trump. They also didn't stop backing a violent rebellion in Georgia, under Trump. They also continued trading with Iran, after Trump put sanctions on Iran. They also supplied Syria with arms and mercenaries, to fight against Americans and Syrian rebels, under Trump. Putin doesn't give a rat's ass about Trump. He just likes Republicans, because they're obstructionists and incompetent.
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@michaelarmijo2752 How far back? We're talking about an ongoing situation, dumb dumb. In the West Bank, Israel is still using the blueprint for the colonization of North America. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives respond violently, cry about poor "innocent" colonizers being attacked by "savages", have the cavalry come and put down the native uprising, then expand the borders to include the settlements. Rinse and repeat.
Israel is also disgustingly currently operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, ffs. Don't have to go backwards, at all, to see it's an aggressor country.
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@AverageJoe483 Opinion?
There are objective facts involved. It is an objective fact that Zionism is colonialism. Even a Zionist leader, Ze'ev Jabotinsky, acknowledged it as such, 100 years ago. He also predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight said colonialism until the bitter end. He didn't care, and promoted doing it anyway. If you are objectively a colonizer, you're the original aggressor, and at no point after that can you really be the victim. Everything happening is a response to your original colonizing and aggression. If that had never happened, the natives would never have fought against it.
It is also an objective fact that Israel was founded on terrorism. Terrorist groups, like the Irgun and Lehi, bombed many Palestinian markets, killing many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel elected the leader of the Irgun, Menachem Begin, responsible for the bombing of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israel, to this day, celebrates those terrorists as "heroes". Israel literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood.
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@dcort9010 Not sure where I'm losing you. If absolutely nobody was willing to take the vaccine, because they wanted to know the long term side effects, first, then you would have had no volunteers for trials, and we'd still have polio. Even if you got trials subjects, but the majority of people wanted to wait 50 years to see what happened to those trials subjects, we'd still have polio (it took about 25 years for the US to basically eradicate polio). What's the arbitrary line people are drawing, in numbers of years, for the vaccines to be deemed safe, in their "expert" opinions?
All of the vaccines went through phase III trials. You can read about them on the producers' websites, and on the FDA's website.
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@aheroictaxidriver3180 Our brains, and the thoughts they produce, objectively exist. A "problem" may be subjective (based on personal feelings, biases, likes/dislikes, etc.), but our subjective thoughts objectively exist. You know we have instruments, that can map where objectively existing thoughts and feelings are produced in the brain, don't you? There's no magic, or spirits ... no "mystical" gobbledygook ... needed. Everything that's subjectivity based isn't "mystical". People's values objectively exist ... what they value is subjective ... and, if they aren't appealing to magic and spirits, or whatnot, then there's nothing "mystical" about it. But, I get how you might think that that brain of yours having a thought is pure magic.
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@Freakarmy Where does this copy paste bullshit come from?
Non-staples: electric bill, phone bill, internet bill, cable bill, toys, games, any entertainment with a cost, snacks and pop, and all kinds of things that would still affect poor people.
Some of those poor people are already collecting $1000+ in government assistance of a kind Yang doesn't have stack with UBI. Those people will get zero economic benefit from the UBI but will still have to pay the VAT. He should have UBI stack with SSI and have a half UBI for children.
That price sensitivity nonsense is bullshit under normal circumstances. Basically every business would have a VAT added. They would all be sitting in the exact same competitive position they were in pre-VAT. There would be no reason to lower their prices and start eating their profit margins. Add in that consumers are being handed $3t to go shopping, and price increases won't even reduce consumption.
Yang is bullshitting, when he claims a VAT will make corporations like Amazon "pay their fair share". They'll still pay nothing with a VAT. Businesses get credited back for their input VAT in a VAT system. So, if even 20% of that $3t is spent on retail, and Amazon owns 5% of retail, Yang's VAT/UBI scheme will only make them an extra $30b a year. That'd make Bezos an extra $3.6b a year. He'd have to blow over $36b a year on goods and services with a VAT to pay in more than he'll get out.
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@TrueHitch Fun fact: Nazis didn't live inside the Warsaw ghetto.
Israel controls the border, ports, airspace, electricity, water, who goes in and out, what goes in and out, and Bibi even has control over the money from Qatar, having stopped and started it multiple times. All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the UN GA, UN SC, the ICJ, the Red Cross, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies.
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@gombally There's zero account of all Jews being forced out of Palestine. There's also zero account of all the current "Arab" countries being ethnically cleansed or genocided, and completely refilled by actual Arabians from a tiny desert country. Like in Europe, people converted, and people started practicing new cultures. All the people in the British Isles aren't genetically Anglos. They're Britons, Saxons, Normans, Danish, Pict, Celt, Scot, Irish, ... and, fun fact, they weren't always Christians. So, take a guess as to what happened to the majority of Jews, who remained in Palestine.
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@moshebuchachevsky5650 You're not very bright.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@gabrielarcari72 The broader progressive caucus, which include M4A on their platform, is about 10-15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. They could then pick the party speaker candidate at the party caucus. That could happen next election, if that many viable progressive caucus candidates can replace non progressive caucus candidates.
On the other hand, the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The second most popular hasn't won a single seat in its 20 year existence. Having a broader group of about a hundred progressives, and even a smaller group of 15, or so, completely corporate free progressives, in congress, are both more than any third party has accomplished. Third parties don't get to put forward even a single bill, don't get to cast even a single vote for, or against, even a single bill. It's a fantasy, thinking a third party would be the faster route.
That system needs to change, to make third parties more viable, but you can't really change it from the outside.
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@mrwz626 You're making crap up. He thought a VAT would tax corporations, even as they automate. If they automated transportation, for example, there'd be a VAT on every automated mile, or something, that corporations would pay. He was wrong. As he was claiming a VAT would be a way to get Amazon to "pay their fair share" in taxes, Amazon UK has its own VAT tutorials on how a VAT doesn't tax businesses. As he compared his VAT/UBI combo to the Alaskan dividend, which is paid for by corporations, all the countries that use the VAT say it's not a tax on businesses. As he was spouting nonsense about a pass through rate study he didn't understand, the study itself was saying that consumers were paying the entire VAT.
Yang was saying the right things, that corporations need to pay, but was totally clueless as to how a VAT actually works. If they paid for the UBI, and the money ended up funneling back to them, that's just money circulating. If they don't pay into the UBI, at all, then that's just more money flowing into their hands, where they tend to hoard it.
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@mrwz626 He thought a VAT on ads, would tax corporations, ffs. He was wrong. I just told you that different VAT rates are irrelevant to the core design, and who it actually taxes. You have very severe reading comprehension problems, and have no clue what you're talking about.
He obviously has zero clue how a VAT actually works. He linked to a pass through rate study, and totally misconstrued what it actually said. None of your fantasies can ever change that fact. It outright said there was a near 100% pass through on standard rated goods and services. It outright showed that only by including lesser rated, and zero rated, goods and services, did the pass through rate drop. Yang mistakenly took that to mean that corporations would pay half the tax, when it actually means that there isn't a tax, or there's a lower tax (also 100% paid by consumers), on about half the goods and services.
If he grasped what it said, but he was going to invent a totally different "VAT", that taxes businesses, and allows for double taxation, then he shouldn't have linked to that study.
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@mrwz626 No, you're spouting off irrelevant crap, exactly like I said. What don't you grasp about the term "core design"? My point was exactly that, even though they all rate things differently, the entirety of the EU still says it doesn't tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation. And you think once again pointing out that they have different rates, is still relevant, because you're absolutely clueless.
Here's the input output VAT formula:
X = output VAT
Y = input VAT
X - Y = Z
If Z > 0, send Z to government, repaying you for Y
If Z < 0, get a refund for Z from the government, repaying you for Y
It doesn't freaking matter if Y is $5 on $100, or $20 on $100, you still get paid back for Y. It doesn't matter what items are standard rated, lesser rated, or zero rated, you still get paid back for Y. Nothing you're babbling about is relevant.
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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@adamronengorlovitzki3350 Zionists colonized Palestine. Zionist terrorists, Irgun and Lehi, massacred Palestinian civilians. Partition was forced on the Palestinian majority, against their will. Even after partition, the non-Jewish population, of the colonialist Zionist portion, was over 100k more than the Jewish population. Zionists ethnically cleansed about 700k of them, and never let them return. To believe that Zionists had zero intention to ethnically cleanse them would require believing that they had zero intention to create a Jewish state, which is ridiculous. Those terrorists were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies, when Zionists did declare their ethno-state.
The leaders of those terrorist groups founded Likud. Israelis elected those terrorist leaders as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq.
Netanyahu has proven he intends to keep that promise. All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by every relevant international body. Likud continues to use the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank ... Move settlers into native territories, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, the poor "innocent" colonialist settlers cry about being attacked by "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel operates an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, then bombs the hell out of it, when there's an uprising.
With partition forced on the majority, ethnic cleansing of Israel's actual non-Jewish majority, and the fact that Israel, the occupier, has actual authority over all Palestine territories and the Palestinians within, but doesn't let them vote for their occupying party ... Israel is actually about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Yes, Israel is a fascist state.
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Asman's anecdotal story:
https://www.foxnews.com/story/an-up-close-and-personal-taste-of-socialized-medicine
While the UK does have higher MRSA rates than other European countries, the US rates are even higher:
https://cddep.org/tool/mrsa_infection_rates_country/
The UK has 4 of the most technologically advanced hospitals in the world. The US has 16, but also 5x the population. Per capita, the UK has more.
https://www.topmastersinhealthcare.com/30-most-technologically-advanced-hospitals-in-the-world/
The UK puts out more medical research papers, per capita, than the US, with more citations per paper (and fewer of those being self-citation).
https://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php?area=1300&year=2018
Since the UK VAT doesn't apply to staples, and rents are lower than New York City, judging the cost of living to be double, based on eating at restaurants for a month, is moronic. He raved about the UK's EMTs. He raved about the UK's public doctors and nurses. He found that money could still help dodge wait times for non urgent procedures, in the UK.
His only complaints seem to be based on ignorance.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@vertigo0331 Nonsense. Feudalism, and private property owners gaining monopolies over entire countries happened with zero oversight above them. With next to no oversight, on the US Western frontier, cattle barons pretty much did the same thing, hiring private armies of cowboys, and throwing their weight around ... slaughtering tens of thousands of sheep, tearing down fences, killing shepherds. The US had feudalism right into the 20th century. Little to no government oversight over private property owners has allowed for countless monopolies.
Labor, health, safety, environmental, and other assorted regulations have come about exactly because giant businesses, and their owners, didn't self regulate. We've already done the less involved government schtick, and it sucked for most people. Giant corporations keep lobbying for exactly that, less regulation, but you're under some delusion that will hurt them. They, clearly, don't seem to think so. You'd be just handing them what they want, for free.
Continuing to expand democracy is still the way to protect the people from those who want to lord over them.
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@vertigo0331 Medieval feudalism was a bunch of rich private property owners, with private armies, with no oversight above them, running around doing whatever they wanted. That led to 100% privately owned and operated "governments". Their "governments" were more equivalent to landlords, not governments of the people who have some oversight over private property owners. Just like modern Saudi is a 100% privately owned and operated, purely capitalist, country. "Government" = House of Saud.
And, I already gave a more modern example of how it starts, like on the US Western frontier, as a purely private property, purely capitalist, endeavor.
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@vertigo0331 You get that giving nobility more of a say, instead of just dictates from a king (a private property landlord with a monopoly), is a more democratic process ... giving merchants and yeomen more of a say, instead of just the king and nobility, is a more democratic process ... giving landowning white men more of say, instead of just the king, nobility, merchants and yeomen, is a more democratic process ... and so on, with women, minorities, non landowners, etc. How representative it is also makes it more, or less, democratic.
Just like with a company ... if things are entirely dictated by a single owner, then it's equivalent to an absolute dictatorship ... if it has a board of directors, with an elected CEO, that's more democratic ... if it's unionized, with workers having more of a say and more power, then that's more democratic ... if it becomes a worker co-op, then that's the business equivalent of an all out direct democracy.
So, yeah, you did argue in favor of a more democratic system, and then turned around and argued against a more democratic system. Where's your cutoff? You actually want democracy limited to rich yeomen and merchants, and the poor not be allowed to vote again?
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@jamescooke7243 Rumble is funded by Peter Thiel, the biggest MAGA (fascist) donor around. They don't pay any "lefties", that are a threat to MAGA, to join their platform. They pay "lefties" that constantly attack their viable opponents far more than them, sometimes even say nice things about them, and who push "left" voters towards apathy (all parties samesies!) or towards non viable alternatives (Green!), that will still help MAGA win. You can tell from their fanbase, who they appeal to most. If your main appeal is found on the right, then you're likely saying things they like, more than things they don't.
You know that grifters claim to be selling you one thing, but are actually selling you something else, right? They can claim to be selling you on universal healthcare, but pointing you in the worst possible direction to getting there ... like Jimmy Dore does (also paid by Rumble, as were Tulsi and Glenn Greenwald). If you're helping very overt fascists, who literally tried to overthrow the democratic process, to install an unelected dictator, win, I don't know how you can claim to be a "lefty" anymore.
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@scoogsy No, it's you that's wrong out of the gate. He agrees that science can help us get what we value. Whether I subjectively value going to the moon or subjectively value building a world destroying bomb, science can help me get what I value. That's a given. Unless someone can prove otherwise (which he doesn't), science will never tell me whether, or not, I ought to, or ought not to, do either of those things. That's because science doesn't give a crap, either way. Science has helped us do all kinds of absolutely awful things, as well as the good things.
He does not have all conscious creatures equally balanced. He has a supposedly objective hierarchy, that's pure nonsense, with humans on top. He proves it's nonsense, himself, when he still puts humans on top of an AI that's supposed to be as superior to is as we are to ants. It's a purely subjective hierarchy, with him always valuing humans most.
Yes, you've misunderstood. I'm saying he's a clueless idiot to claim there's a black and white distinction between "poison" and what is okay to ingest, which he did. The fact that we can get water poisoning, which we can't survive without, is the clearest evidence of this.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Well, anyone who thinks they're justified in calling someone on the left a "Nazi", doesn't know what a "Nazi" is. And, anyone calling politicians who want to be more like Denmark "extreme left", "commies", are, objectively, clueless. Denmark is a centrist country, making US politicians wanting to be more like Denmark, the actual centrists. Zero relevant US politicians are calling for a 100% publicly owned and operated economy, complete economic equality for all, and an end to capitalism. Objectively, there is no actual extreme left.
On the other hand, a number of Republicans, and a whole Libertarian party, promote privatizing as much as possible, promote Ayn Rand, are anti-union, and are about as extreme righ as is possible. Add to that, how authoritarian and militant the US is, add the crony capitalism, add the ultra nationalism, add the religious nuttery, and you're, objectively, dancing on the border with fascism (not all fascists are Nazis). Ending democracy is about the last box that needs checking, to make it official, and Dumpty is trying his best.
If a sane person can't see the difference between considering Ayn Rand extreme right and considering Denmark extreme left, then, although they might be sane, they're likely not too bright.
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@iammclovin1672 Rofl, Hinkle?! The guy had no clue what he was talking about. AOC voted against the individual State Department appropriation bill. She voted against the individual Defense Department appropriation bill. What he was actually whining about, was her voting for the entire f*cking budget, which includes Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, housing, etc., etc.
And, like most Dore knobs, Hinkle doesn't seem to know what was in the final version of the Capitol Hill bill, after it was sent back to the house from the senate, or who voted how on that final version of the bill. AOC actually voted no.
Hinkle's whole "debate" was whining about complete bullshit.
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@3kojimbles895 How does paying Chinese workers in sweatshops under $2 an hour increase the number of people who can afford your $1000 iPhone? It decreases the potential number of people who can afford your phone by however many employees you have. And they also can't afford to buy another company's new car, they can't afford to buy another company's new house, etc., etc., etc. And then all those companies do the same thing. They don't move an automobile factory to Mexico to reduce the price of the vehicle, to make it more affordable to more people. They do it to increase the profit margin, and pay their workers $10/hr less.
In the countries they actually plan on making the most sales, they aren't providing jobs, relying on others to do that for them. With more and more companies doing the same thing, there's fewer other companies to rely on to provide the good paying jobs, so people can keep buying your stuff.
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@britishrocklovingyank3491 I said "right", not specifically Trumpists. That could include anyone voting for corporate Dems, to moderate Republicans, to independents that lean in one of those two directions, to Libertarians, to the outright fascists. The younger voters, who vote the least, have been specifically targeted by progressives, to try and get them out, a ton. Independents have been specifically targeted, before, as well.
M4A is consistently gaining support. More pro-M4A candidates were just added to congress. It was barely even being talked about, in mainstream conversation, pre 2016.
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@siedlape1 You know what "rate" means, right? American police kill over 3x as many people, per capita, than the nearest developed countries, Canada and Australia. They kill about 30x more people, per capita, than Germany, 60x more people than the UK, 150x more than Japan, and an immeasurable times more (because their rate is statistically zero) than Norway. Some of those countries don't even arm standard cops, with guns, and yet they still manage to take down knife wielders, and such.
That you think not listening to a cop deserves a death sentence, is psychotic.
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@spaceman6821 Conservative religious types have been cancelling things and people, and ruining lives, for centuries. Branding people, so they'd be shunned for life, for behaving improperly. Executing people for not believing in a god. Banning women's ankles, then knees, then thighs, women in pants, ... and there's still an FCC protecting their delicate sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. So, piss off with the bullshit that this is something new, and only done by the left.
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@geekylove3603 Jimmy is just anti-US government, which makes him wrong anytime the US gets something right, like Ukraine. Russia is the equivalent to Zionists, in that conflict. They're the invaders, trying to reclaim past colonialism, ethnic cleansing, and genocide, done as the Empire and USSR. They're the ones that started f*cking around in former SSR countries, almost immediately, in 1991, and haven't stopped. He's an idiot.
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The minimum wage, high union wage, paid parental leave, more paid vacations, etc., is important because that's how other developed countries get corporations to pay in ... and then they tax their better paid, higher standard of living, consumers with a VAT. A VAT, alone, doesn't make corporations like Amazon pay taxes, as Yang falsely claims. It's built into VAT systems that businesses get their input VAT credited back to them. Yang's approach will only make Amazon richer. By not actually taxing them, and since their share of US consumer spending is 2%, handing consumers $3t would make Amazon an extra $60b a year. That would make Bezos about $6b extra a year. He'd have to personally blow through over $60b on goods and services with a VAT to pay in more than he'd make from Yang.
The irony being that that would allow them to invest more in automating faster, on top of the irony that Yang could automate away thousands of social worker jobs with an automated monthly deposit for all.
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@AOLAmericaOnline You know that, on top of a colonialist foundation, terrorism, by groups like the Irgun and Lehi, was the next building block in forming Israel, yeah? They bombed Palestinian markets, killing plenty of civilians, including children, and even Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israel merged those terrorist groups into their new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, who also bombed the King David Hotel. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood. But, when used against them, they cry foul.
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@peterwilliamson8721 Lol. And, all you did was spew flattering remarks, without providing supporting examples, just like a politician. Why are you demanding examples from those who dislike her, when you provided zero, yourself?
Honest? So, you think her praising Bernie, in 2016, was completely genuine, and had absolutely nothing to do with simply trying to fend off a more progressive challenger? Where did her progressiveness disappear to, if it was completely genuine?
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@deez3913 I asked if you would be fine with it, Dumb F*ck. Would you? Why should hostile work, or school, environments, be a thing?
So, "Don't say gay" bills, banning books, and the like, by state governments, is definitely an infringement, yes?
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@marca7542 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@BulliezInc Like I said, math. There are zero extra votes to the left of progessives. It is absolutely impossible to pass a bill without Manchin. On the flip side, there is the entire Republican party, to try and draw votes from, to the right of Manchin. It is entirely possible to pass a bill, without AOC, or even the entire squad, if you bring enough Republicans on board. In a standoff, a bill would likely be pushed right, not left, to try and get Republicans on board. If you think they have remotely the same amount of leverage, then you're dumber than a stump.
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@howardmctroy3303 You picked NYC to gripe about? St Louis has a violent crime rate 4x that of NYC, 2x that of Chicago, and their poverty rate is double that of NYC. If NYC is "unlivable", what does that make St Louis?
You didn't answer why you don't measure at the state level.
Also, fun fact: colonial Americans protested, rioted, destroyed private property, etc., all because they didn't want to pay an extra tax to fund the police/military protecting them. They got extra pissed when the police/military, "fearing for their lives", shot and killed violent protesters. Are you sure being anti-authoritarian is strictly a "left wing" policy?
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@howardmctroy3303 So, what "left wing policies" made St Louis so bad? I mean, it's in a red state. Missouri has easy access to guns, like any good red state should, so people in St Louis should be able to defend themselves, scare off criminals, and lower the crime rate, right? Easy access to guns obviously has nothing to do with Missouri having the 4th highest firearm mortality rate of any state, or the 4th highest homicide rate of any state. There must be some "left wing policies" causing those things.
Either those colonialists were left wingers and the US was founded by left wingers, by your argument that anti-authoritarian = left wing, or your argument is wrong, and being anti-authoritarian isn't necessarily a right or left wing policy. Can you clarify which it is, without deflecting?
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@howardmctroy3303 Yeah, no, today's American conservatives are closer to fascists. So, we now agree you were spouting bullshit before, claiming being anti-authoritarian is a "left wing policy"? Being anti-authoritarian is a different axis, and can be left or right. You're just an authoritarian right winger, apparently.
Didn't answer my question, again. What "left wing policies" ruined St Louis? St Louis must be one of the most "left wing" cities in America, to be that bad. There must be tons of policies you can cite. Amazing, how weak red states are, that they can be totally ruined by a pocket of blue. Why don't their weakling governors send in the national guard? Is that also the problem with Mississippi (#1 homicide, #1 firearm mortality)? Louisiana (#2 homicide, #5 firearm mortality), Alabama (#3 homicide, #2 firearm mortality)? Etc. Etc.
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By every measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
Actual Hamas supporter: Netanyahu promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority, to avoid a potential peace, so he could continue his colonization project. This is very much like the US promoting and funding religious extremists in Afghanistan, and that ending up biting them in the ass. Plus, he was warned by Egypt and, instead of strengthening the Gaza border, he moved Gazan troops to the West Bank, to support his colonization. Almost like he wanted his pet terrorists to actually break through.
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@MTx485 All, or part, of the region has been called some variation of Palestine, by the Egyptians (Peleset), Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Greeks (Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be "in Palestine"), Western Romans, Christian pilgrims, Eastern Romans, early Muslims (Filastin), Christian crusaders, Ottomans, British, and even the first Znst conference (wanted to create a home "in Palestine"). You know what the region wasn't called, for the majority of its existence? Isrl.
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Sorry ... where was the part where she made a campaign promise to paralyze the house, during a pandemic, freezing any new covid relief, new unemployment extensions, new vaccine funding, etc.?
Hey, Dore knob, how did Pelosi win with only 216 votes? You claimed winning with anything less than 218 was impossible. Please don't tell me that a political mastermind, with a well thought out plan, that totally depended on how house voting works, didn't actually know how house voting works.
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Total tests, and even tests per million, are actually irrelevant numbers that are totally detached from the number of covid cases. It's the tests per confirmed case rate that everyone should be looking at. The US was only testing at a rate of 5 people per confirmed case, for months, and has only recently brought that up to over 10 people per confirmed case, which is still a pretty pathetic rate. Countries, like S Korea, New Zealand, Australia, that flattened their curves fast, quickly tested at rates of 50+ people per confirmed case. The US hasn't been testing fast enough to get ahead of the virus spread, finding the people that person has infected, and getting them quarantined, before they spread it to even more people.
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@andersenparker2297 I did. Biden's approval rate is currently about the same as Dumpty's. That seems to represent the core supporters, for both.
How is hating someone who was asking everyone and anyone to support a coup, to overthrow the democratic process to keep him on as an unelected dictator, a "mental complex"? Pretty sure the "mental complex" is supporting that insanity.
Yeah, Biden has proved to be a standard right wing corporate Dem, and not a moderate, or at least not one who actually puts up a fight for moderate policies, instead bending the knee to the most conservative of Dems. But, still, why would that make a voter want to vote for someone even further right, who has already proven to be the most divisive president, who criticizes any Republicans voting bipartisan, and who has already proved to be totally incompetent?
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You're confusing a couple things, dumb dumb. Crime and poverty are linked together. In the US, Blacks and Hispanics suffer higher rates of poverty, so they disproportionately find alternative ways of making money. Richer people are more likely to have larger amounts of money, nicer cars, nicer phones, nicer tvs, collections of value, etc., and are disproportionately white. Normal crimes don't necessarily indicate racism, just because people with less stuff are commiting crimes against people with more stuff, at a higher rate. Poor people still commit more crimes in predominantly white countries. The gangs in Russia are white. It's not a racial thing.
On the other hand, Blacks and Hispanics disproportionately being poor might be a sign of racism. And, racial hate crimes, attacking people solely for racial reasons, are definitely racist. White people are disproportionately in positions of power, affecting the former, and disproportionately commit hate crimes at higher rates.
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@kd888 Republicans weren't entirely conservative, back then. Wanting to expand rights is progressive. Teddy Roosevelt's Square Deal was fairly progressive, and an improvement for workers, at the time. As was his trust busting, breaking up large companies with monopolies. Republicans took a hard right, after his second term. He literally decided to run against them, with his Progressive Party, because he hated their changes so much. Republicans turned even harder with the first Red Scare, and then drove the economy into the Great Depression. Meanwhile, Dems started turning more towards workers, leading to FDR (who created the Fair Employment Practice Committee). That's around when Northern black Americans, whose population was increasing with The Great Migration, and who were largely becoming industrial workers, also started turning towards Dems.
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@kd888 Republicans weren't entirely conservative, back then. Wanting to expand rights is progressive. Teddy Roosevelt's Square Deal was fairly progressive, and an improvement for workers, at the time. As was his anti-trust actions against some large companies with monopolies. Republicans took a hard right, after his second term. He literally decided to run against them, with his Progressive Party, because he disliked their changes so much. Republicans turned even harder with the first Red Scare, and then drove the economy into the Great Depression. Meanwhile, Dems started turning more towards workers, leading to FDR (who created the Fair Employment Practice Committee). That's around when Northern black Americans, whose population was increasing with The Great Migration, and who were largely becoming industrial workers, also started turning towards Dems.
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@kd888 Rs weren't entirely conservative, back then. Wanting to expand rights is progressive. Teddy Roosevelt's Square Deal was fairly progressive, and an improvement for workers, at the time. As was his anti-trust actions against some large companies with monopolies. Rs took a right turn, after his second term. He literally decided to run against them, with his Progressive Party, because he wasn't fond of their changes. Rs turned even harder with the first Red Scare, and then drove the economy into the Great Depression. Meanwhile, Ds started turning more towards workers, leading to FDR (who created the Fair Employment Practice Committee). That's around when Northern black Americans, whose population was increasing with The Great Migration, and who were largely becoming industrial workers, also started turning towards Ds.
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@orionsghost9511 Man, you're a complete moron. Her backstory is public knowledge. She has done multiple interviews about it, including about her dad. Money spent doesn't equate to establishment help. She didn't get money from the establishment, or corporations. Not only did she raise money for herself, she raised money and used it to back 20 other progressives. Stop pretending that a guaranteed to fail vote, being about 100 votes short in the house alone, equates to actual M4A. Pelosi even introduced the M4A bill last session, where it died in committees, where 90% of bills die. The speaker, alone, can't even force a bill through committees to the floor. And morons, like Dore and his knobs, don't think committees are that important.
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@Adam-wi5bh Like I said ... Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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garyallen8824 Rofl, says the complete and utter moron, who makes a completely irrational argument. Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. They're native to Palestine. "Arab" is like "Hispanic". A tiny desert country didn't literally wipe out and replace entire populations, dimwit. They conquered and Arabized the populations that were there. A Palestinian isn't from any of those other places, and shouldn't have to move, just to carve out some colonialist nation for people from Europe and Russia.
I laid out the objective facts, about modern history, law, and current events, this year. Refute any of them, if you can.
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@JonathanRootD By every measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@damnedseagull6194 I know. Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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So weird ... that when there is no evidence of a crime, someone isn't charged, and when there is evidence of a crime, someone is charged.
On top of the 60+ times Dumpty's election stolen claims were tossed out ... Every single defamation case, against Trump supporters, has been an opportunity to prove that the election was rigged, and there was no defamation. Instead, zero evidence of election fraud is being presented, and they're either settling, or losing. Every single insurrection case has been an opportunity to prove the election was stolen, and that the insurrectionists were the ones in the right, fighting for democracy. Instead, zero evidence of voter fraud has been presented, and insurrectionists have been tossed in jail. Every single election fraud charge, against Trump and his cronies, is an amazing opportunity to prove the election was stolen, and they were in the right. Instead of rushing, to finally prove his claim, Dumpty is trying to delay, as much as possible. Instead of his cronies providing evidence of widespread voter fraud, they're flipping and/or pleading guilty.
How much will it take, for all you dimwits to realize you've been duped by a conman?
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@AnjaliD-nb7cr Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@christopherdonahue1066 Vietnam showed it was good at stopping the virus, S Korea showed it was good at stopping the virus, Japan showed it was good at stopping the virus, Australia showed it was good at stopping the virus, New Zealand showed it was good at stopping the virus ... and how many countries followed them, and did exactly what they were doing? Are you under the delusion that the US, and others, would have responded better, if only they had known of a better way? All evidence suggests otherwise. Hell, with all the evidence of different countries' response effectiveness, morons were still wanting to be like Sweden (top 25 for covid deaths per capita, 5-10x more deaths per capita than its neighbours), because they wanted to do as little as possible, not as much as possible.
By the time the first case was confirmed in the US, and other countries, it had already been confirmed to be a SARS strain, which WHO officials said meant it could be transmitted from human to human.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7378494/
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It's the same thing. The aquisition of, stacking of, endless regression of (if you're going backwards), muliple justified beliefs (knowledge, facts, information), in an attempt to justify some greater belief. If you start at the bottom, as you should when discussing a formative being, as a human devlops with age, the aquisition of justified beliefs, forces a belief, or not, in the greater belief. You can not form a belief, without some prior knowledge, directing you.
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@jKLa Are you one of those morons who thinks any insult is an ad hominem? If so, then you being a moron would appear to be an objective fact.
https://laurencetennant.com/bonds/adhominem.html
Every "white American" isn't an "Anglo", dumbass. I know you don't like descendants of Spaniards, but now you're ditching the Irish, Scottish, Franks, Italians, Scandinavians, Germans, etc., too? Why the fuck use the term "white"?
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@Jaydem2805 Did you research that the Russia investigation didn't use the Steele dossier making it irrelevant, that Mueller is a Republican, that Romney (and others like him) are Republican, that the FBI has been mostly run by Republicans in the last 40 years, and that Australian officials aren't Democrats? Did you research that the Mueller report included some 200 pages of information sharing (collusion) that didn't amount to criminal conspiracy, and that Jr and Kushner weren't charged with criminal conspiracy because it would be hard to prove they "willfully" broke the law, not because they didn't break the law? Did you research that Republican Mueller indicted 19 Russians, and 3 Russian companies, and that Trump's own FBI said Russia was interfering again, in 2020?
What is it you believe ... that Democrats, Republicans like Romney, the Republican lead investigator, the FBI which has largely been run by Republicans, and Australian officials, were all in cahoots to frame Trump so they could make Republican Mike Pence president?
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@kenbone7315 Hamas is a poor man's Likud. Likud was founded by Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun terrorist group, who bombed the King David Hotel. The Irgun also bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim). Israelis elected Begin, terrorist, child murderer, Jew murderer, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". The Likud platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises the complete colonization and ethnic cleansing of all Palestine territories. The Likud platform also claims a Jewish "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is also a declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
The only real difference between Hamas and Likud is that Hamas is fighting against colonialism, while Irgun/Likud is fighting for it.
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Likud was created by Zionist terrorist, Menachem Begin, who bombed Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism), and bombed the King David Hotel. The other founder was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages. Their initial platform stated that their goal was for Israel to rule from the sea to the Jordan (reverse of, from the river to the sea). Netanyahu has proven that that still seems to be the goal, with the endless colonization of the West Bank. Netanyahu also promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization projects. The end of violence would mean that Israel might have to pull back, plus allow the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Peace is against Likud's interests.
So, why not the exact same demand that Likud be removed?
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@stephanjones8424 I've been paying a VAT for almost 30 years and have operated a business with a VAT. Don't bother trying to explain it to me. Here are some "non-essential" "luxury goods" ... electricity, phone, internet, cable, toys, games, snacks and pop, gas ...
Companies like Google and Facebook sell the data. They wouldn't pay the VAT on that sale, as Yang dishonestly implies. They would add the VAT to their sale price and the buyer would initially pay it. That buyer would then count that as input VAT and subtract it from their own output VAT, paid for by their customers. A VAT generates federal revenue, but it doesn't make corporations "pay their fair share", as Yang is claiming.
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@albertfj Because the main tax he's pushing doesn't actually tax corporations. Handing consumers trillions, will make a company like Amazon tens of billions extra a year, which will make Bezos billions extra a year. He'll get more out of the Yang plan than he'll pay in. Other developed countries with a VAT have corporations pay in with higher wages, through higher minimum wages or high unionization, and through other methods, first. Then the VAT taxes the better paid consumers. Yang doesn't really have them paying in. He complains about tax loopholes, but doesn't have a plan to even attempt to fix loopholes.
If those at the very top get more out of the Yang plan than they pay in, then that money is coming from somewhere. That will be some poor people, who won't get more than they're currently getting so the VAT will just be a negative ... they'll pay in more than they get out. It will be the upper middle class and lower end rich, with high but fairly fixed salaries that won't jump with sales or stocks increasing, like doctors or lawyers ... they'll pay in more than they get out. It will be the many administrators of current government services, who Yang will ironically automate out of their jobs ... they'll pay in more than they get out.
Sure, in a vacuum they'd be worse off without $12k a year. But, in an alternate plan, someone automated out could get 5 years salary and free college to learn something new, and/or a guaranteed new job. If you're automated out with Yang, you've got 26 weeks of unemployment plus $1000 a month. Then it's just the $1000 a month, if you haven't found a new job.
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@terencekwong3033 I'm Canadian. I was around when prices jumped when the VAT was introduced, and I've operated a VAT registered business. Businesses get credited back for input VAT (GST). The game is built right into the VAT system. The government, claiming to not want to double tax, pays back every step, except the last, which is the consumer of whatever good or service.
http://publications.gc.ca/Collection-R/LoPBdP/BP/prb0003-e.htm#A.%20Taxing%20Mechanism(txt)
So, are you going to tell these Americans that the electric bill, phone bill, internet bill, cable bill, basically any entertainment with a cost, will have a VAT? They've got people already collecting over $1000 in government assistance that Yang doesn't have stacking with UBI. They won't benefit from UBI, but will still have to pay VAT on things.
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I think you're looking for the morons who are both anti-Israel and anti-Ukraine, because they're simply anti-USA. This is a both anti-Russian colonialism, and anti-Israeli colonialism channel. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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People need to stop being afraid of the word "socialism", including you, David. A "social democracy" is a very mixed (capitalism/socialism) economy. If 100% of the economic sectors were publicly owned and operated, that would be 100% socialism. If 100% of the economic sectors were privately owned and operated, that would be 100% capitalism. Centrist countries are a fairly even mix of the two. If you're going to pretend they aren't, at all, socialist, simply because it's not 100% socialism, then you shouldn't be pretending they're capitalist, either.
The public owning a 60% share in Norway's oil company means it's 60% socialized, a more socialist than capitalist company. Many countries have a mostly socialized health insurance industry, making that industry almost completely socialist. The UK has an even more socialized healthcare sector, much like the VA, which is even more socialist than capitalist. Yes, the public owning, operating, and maintaining roads, is socialistic. The public owning and operating schools is socialistic. The public owning and operating emergency services is socialistic.
Some sectors, however, are tied to whether a country is more, or less, authoritarian, more so than they are tied to whether it's capitalist or socialist. While the VA's medical care can be considered socialist, the authority side of the military isn't. Even extreme right Ayn Rand types, would keep the military, law enforcement, and the courts. They just want those things to protect their self interests, though. Authoritarian capitalists (fascists) use those things to make themselves even more money, and expand their interests. And they are no longer truly publicly owned and operated if they're serving an oligarchy, rather than the actual public at large ... sometimes even working against the public at large.
The only purely capitalist countries left in the world are the ones still owned and operated by absolute monarchs, like Saudi.
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@calebarmstrong5621 No, dumb dumb, it makes all the politicians, Democrat and Republican, from primarily the former Confederate states, racists. And then the Republicans went after all the racist voters, and got them. Do you think the most racist states in the country, that fought against change every step of the way, just magically up and became the least racist states, and started voting for the least racist party?
You get the math, right? A majority of Democrats, primarily from former Union states, voted for Civil Rights, as well. The numbers of Republicans I mentioned couldn't possibly pass it alone.
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@calebarmstrong5621 Rofl. You'd have to believe that the vast majority of minority voters, and the vast majority of minority politicians, are complete and utter morons, that have zero clue which is the more racist party. You clearly don't think the vast majority of minorities can discern which is the more racist party. That's pretty racist.
Hint: there are red states still celebrating Confederate memorial days; there are red states still flying symbols of a willingness to kill and be killed for the "right" to own and abuse other human beings; one party is fighting to be able to worship their favorite racists at their memorial statues; Confederates and Nazis hold "unite the right" rallies, not unite the left rallies; one party still fights to let businesses to discriminate against whomever they want; even though it takes 5-6 generations, on average, to change economic classes in America, and it has only been a few generations since segregation and an almost 60% poverty rate for black Americans, Republicans still want to do as little as possible to try and help lift people out of poverty; slavery ended with leaving millions of black Americans completely destitute, with zero compensation for centuries of labor, and Republicans won't even sign on to simply explore the possibility of reparations; Republicans keep backing a clearly unjust justice system and abusive police; Republicans have hardly any minority representatives; Republicans are trying to downplay racism in history; Republicans are going on a tirade against a university law course, banning it from public schools, when it isn't even taught in public schools ...
Seriously, the list goes on. What kind of crack are you smoking, to think that list represents the less racist party?
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@TropicalPriest Okay, but he blathered about tinnitus, for example, as if it was some huge deal. Even if you accepted every VAERS correlation report as causation, tinnitus is about 0.003%, meanwhile some 14% of people who get covid report tinnitus ... a thousands of times higher rate. Dore doesn't mention that. He also doesn't make clear that it's only the J&J vaccine, which has been linked to tinnitus, and falsely makes out like "THAT" is what you're being mandated. No. The J&J isn't the only option. Then, he and Max went on spreading bullshit about myocarditis and the UK's healthcare system ... a completely socialized healthcare system, that's even left of M4A, the very thing Jimmy is supposed to be in favor of. It just ends up being a bunch of bullshit, when Dore is all done, and not, at all, informative.
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@nathanschmidt5026 Claiming he used to be for universal healthcare, but now doesn't want the government handling it. Attacked the GND for including public healthcare. Lyied, that Bernie's M4A would abolish all private insurance, when it would only abolish duplicate coverage, so people wouldn't be paying twice for the same thing. Claiming Trump's policies (right wing) have been vindicated. Claiming Trump (a right wing fascist who tried to completely overthrow the democratic process) is the greatest president in his lifetime (Trump didn't even end up having "better" border crossing stats than Obama). Supporting Andrew Yang, whose VAT/UBI combo would have had money funneling to the very top faster than ever before. Supporting Tulsi Gabbard, who is now being paid by major MAGA donor, Peter Thiel, to be on Rumble, along with Greenwald and Dore. Promoted the hoax that Mueller had raped someone, to try and help the right discredit Mueller. Promotes the idea that Democrats, especially progressives, are "far left" (that makes him an "enlightened centrist", if he considers himself right of them). Calling Hitler "a certain WWII era hero". Defending Crowder. Siding with right wingers on the COVID response. Almost all of his talking points are from a right wing perspective, same as on openly right wing channels.
In what reality isn't he a right winger?
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@sandydl2 Businesses get to reclaim any input VAT they've paid. It's a pretty simple formula for businesses.
output VAT - input VAT = x
if x is positive, reclaim the input VAT and send the government x (business gets paid back)
if x is negative, keep all the output VAT and the government refunds x (business gets paid back)
A VAT is a sales tax, collected in stages, with all the business stages getting paid back. Hope this helps.
As for the 30%, poor people still eat out, pay for entertainment, pay utilities, etc. They just eat at cheaper places, do cheaper things, have smaller places to heat, etc.
https://images.app.goo.gl/gHnLBowbuMTqf6696
Also, I was mainly referring to the fact that wealthier people won't start paying in, until fairly high incomes, so you'll have people making hundreds of thousands a year getting a few thousand extra dollars to blow, while some poor people currently on assistance will get little to no benefit from the UBI.
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Well, firstly I'd take it with a grain of salt, what people working for CNN and Bloomberg say about how progressives feel. I'm pretty sure Ilhan and AOC are still amongst progressive favorites. They've been on the frontline of opposition to Israel.
As for Fetterman ... supporting Likud (who even Einstein called fascists and Nazis in its previous form), that was founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists (who are still celebrated as "heroes"), and has their own, older, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty" platform, promising to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories ... that's not pragmatism, that's sociopathic and dishonest. Anyone outright blindly supporting Likud is either ignorant as hell, or a lunatic. It's equivalent to supporting Nazis.
Bernie has been critical, but isn't pushing hard enough.
I'd also take what David says about the progressive left, with a grain of salt. He has been crusty about people calling him out for his Israel bias.
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@Dawt_Calm Hrrrm, the difference is that she advocates for and promotes M4A. The difference is that she's a member of the Democratic Socialists of America, which has been holding M4A rallies, that Jimmy hasn't promoted. The difference is that she uses her campaigning and fundraising power to primary progressives around the country. Trying to convince more people to get on board, getting more politicians on board, is how you end up getting it passed, not by having a pointless vote to get a list of names of people you already know need to be primaried out. Helping to destroy confidence in the few progressives in congress, just as they're making small gains in numbers, is moronic. The DNC will sure as hell be primarying corporate Dems against them. You're more likely to get another corporate Dem, instead of a more aggressive progressive, if you convince people not to vote for her, or those like her, again.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@BeeN-fy2jh You were claiming it wasn't on the rise under DT, but left out that JB didn't really pass anything until Mar. I said one caused the start of the rise and one literally couldn't have caused the start of the rise because the second one hadn't been passed and paid out yet. 1.7% to 2.6% in a month was the start of things, right? So, it was basically still DT's economy, and the rate started rising under his economy, since JB's bill wouldn't really take effect until Apr, right? And, since they're blending into each other, there's no real clear cut line, where you can say the effects of DT's $1t relief stops and Biden's $1t relief starts. A 2022 Fed Res study estimated relief bills may have caused 3% of the 2021 inflation rate spike. But, you lot don't want to hear about the profit margin side of the rest of the spike. Maybe talk to cmmnst Texas, who is taking some companies to court, for price gouging.
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@BeeN-fy2jh Blah, blah. Whether the rate is still bad is irrelevant to the cause. If your "logic" is sound, and government spending was the main cause, then the rate would have shot up again, with another $0.7t bill, right? If a $1t bill signed in Mar of 2021 caused such a massive impact, that it lasted for over a year, only to reach its peak in mid 2022 ... Then surely IRA would have caused it to rise more, wouldn't it? ... Assuming your "logic" is sound, of course.
It's just a fact, that government spending wasn't the main driver of the spike. Cmmnst Texas is taking Cal-Maine and Shell to court, for their price go uging. Even if you think corporate prices were fine, you still need to come up with a different main driver of the spike.
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@galwhite7011 I'd say Hamas is morally, and strategically, in the wrong. It is, however, the most common response to colonialism, ethnic cleansing, and oppression. It shouldn't be a surprise. Ze'ev Jabotinsky, fully admitting that Zionism is colonialism, spelled out that this is exactly how everything would play out, in 1923.
Palestinians should be taking a more Ghandi, or Mandela, like approach. Israel has been, basically, using the same tactics as American colonialists. Move some settlements out into native territory, the natives react violently, the calvary comes in and squashes the natives, the colonies expand the border to include the settlements, rinse and repeat. Palestinians responding with violence is exactly what extremists in Israel want, so they can keep having an excuse to occupy and expand.
The one guy, Bezalel Smotrich, that Netanyahu put in charge of the West Bank, published a plan to either subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, all non Jews, in all Israel/Palestine.
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@nodi1217 Here's the difference, dumb dumb ...
A vaccine isn't simply personal protection. Vaccines work even better when more people have them. If you look at a chain of contact, with the 50% efficacy flu vaccine ... If you're a flu carrier, and I have the vaccine, I'm 50% protected. If, however, I come in contact with another vaccinated person, who came in contact with you, I'm 75% protected. If there was another vaccinated person in the chain, I'd be 87.5% protected. Another, and I'd be 93.75% protected. Etc. So, when it comes to vaccinations, you are making a decision that can affect others' health.
On the other hand, we all agree that a mindless (brain dead) meat sack of living cells, requiring life support, is no longer actually "alive". We pull plugs every day. Nobody forces people to keep their brain dead loved ones on life support, and force them to pay for it. But, the moronic "pro-life" crowd considers a mindless meat sack of living cells, requiring a woman's life support system, to actually be "alive". It doesn't even begin to develop the parts needed for consciousness, until 25-28 weeks. It's not yet "alive", and it should be totally up to the woman, if she wants to act as a life support system, because there's not another actual living being affected.
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Part of the problem, which seems to be more of a US thing, is American right wingers portraying fascism as leftist. So, if you just follow the capitalists, you won't ever get an oppressive government ... and people blindly follow them into an oppressive government.
It goes hand in hand with things like FOX pretending they don't belong to one of the largest MSM corporations in the world, and their viewers thinking they're anti-MSM. Then they rail against the majority of MSM sources, while listening to a single MSM source, and claim their opponents are brainwashed by MSM.
Or, like Trump pretending like he wasn't the government, while holding the most powerful position in government, and his cultists being fine with him, the government, firing, or threatening to fire, federal employees that said things he didn't like. That's the government punishing people for what they say. Meanwhile, they complain about private companies making their own choices, and screaming like it's a violation of free speech.
Or, like when they make out that they're the ones who are most like the founders, and defending freedom. But, the founders protested, rioted, and even went to war, over taxes that specifically funded the police/military and a lack of representation ... which is anti-authoritarianism ... while their opponents fought against democracy to keep an unelected ruler in power ... which is authoritarianism. It's BLM that's more like the founders, and Capitol insurrectionists who are more like the Loyalists.
They believe the complete opposite of reality, and head directly into what they think they're moving away from.
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Likud was created by Zionist terrorist, Menachem Begin, who bombed Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism), and bombed the King David Hotel. The other founder was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages. Their initial platform stated that their goal was for Israel to rule from the sea to the Jordan (reverse of, from the river to the sea). Netanyahu has proven that that still seems to be the goal, with the endless colonization of the West Bank. Netanyahu also promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization projects. The end of violence would mean that Israel might have to pull back, plus allow the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Peace is against Likud's interests.
So, why not the exact same demand that Likud be removed?
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@jakeroper1096 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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The Greater Good Dimwit. It was Trump's DoJ that said Epstein killed himself. The AP is non profit, and has been calling elections since 1948, with certification simply being a formality. And, scientists, doctors, and governments, across the world, have been saying the virus is deadly, and if you think they're all in league together then, yes, you're a nutbar.
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@repolarrepolar9833 You feel that gender and sex should be the same thing, dumb dumb. Objectively, gender terminology hasn't had to match biological sex, for millennia. The vast majority of Abrahamic believers worship a sexless, penisless, god that uses masculine gender terminology. People have used feminine gender terminology to describe sexless, vaginaless, ships, cars, etc., since they've existed. Gender represents a persona, that often matches biological sex, but doesn't have to.
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@aramaswa4 There have been hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2012. There have been dozens of UN first round investigations, that don't assign blame, with zero dissenting opinions. There have been dozens of follow up investigations assigning blame to Syria. There have been hundreds of victim witnesses. There have been dozens of healthcare worker witnesses. There have been multiple NGO witnesses, including Doctors Without Borders. There have been independent investigations. There are multiple legal human rights groups investigating and building cases for victims.
In 2018 alone, there was another chemical weapons attack just the month before. Its investigation had zero dissenting opinions. It had a follow up investigation assigning blame on Syria, with zero dissenting opinions. 2 dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't debunk that investigation, let alone all the others. Plus, the bombing started before inspectors even made it to the sites to be investigated, the final report didn't assign blame as per Russian security council demands, and it didn't come out until almost a year later. The UN investigation had absolutely nothing to do with the decision to bomb Syria. Dore and Mate are making much ado about nothing. Aaron's Syrian "scandal" article could have been written by anyone from anywhere in the world, with Wikipedia and a penchant for leaving out bits they don't like.
Dore knobs are as dumb as a bag of doorknobs.
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@adaminfinity1733 At dosages much higher than those humans can take, ffs. You can probably pour some bleach in a petri dish and stop replication, as well. Peru has one of the, if not the, highest uses of Ivermectin in the world, and also has the highest covid death rate in the world. India gave Ivermectin a go, and stopped, because they found it provided no benefit. Many medical agencies, around the world, advise against using it as a covid treatment. Manufacturers advise against using it as a covid treatment. Ivermectin "studies" have been found to be outright fraudulent, and pulled from publications. There are also other studies showing it does nothing, or even makes things worse.
Doesn't the fact that a number of medical agencies, and the media, have stated that Fluvoxamine looks promising, defeat the narrative that they've been working against Ivermectin, and increase their reliability in saying Ivermectin is useless, or at least unproven?
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@adaminfinity1733 Campbell is outright wrong, that one country's excess mortality rate can be used to relfect what's going on in other countries. The US' excess mortality rate, for example, is actually higher than their covid deaths. Something completely different is going on. That's a very silly mistake, if that's what it was.
He was seemingly wrong to say that covid "contributed" to deaths, in that third number. It literally said "with covid", on the paper. The number the government, and media, uses is the second number, for dying due to covid. The third number means some 20k people died "with covid" but not due to covid.
And making some big fuss about comorbidity numbers that have been out, all along, and deaths with comorbidities widely talked about, all along, was ridiculous. This was a bullshit video, pandering to certain types of morons, exactly like Jimmy.
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@tn2378 Campbell was wrong to state that UK numbers could indicate what was going on in other countries. The US excess mortality is higher than the covid deaths. If you're going to take it at face value, like that, then the US is undercounting covid deaths.
But, you can't really take excess mortality at face value. You have to calculate all the pluses and minuses for other causes of death, to find out if the covid deaths are over, or under, counted. All the mask wearing, etc., could have reduced deaths, due to other viruses. The lockdowns could have reduced deaths due to work related accidents.
That second number, is the official number, used by the government and media. It's deaths with covid listed as the cause. Unless, you go through and do the excess mortality calculations, nothing really refutes this number. There's nothing incompatible with the first and second numbers, unless you really breakdown the excess mortality and show that they are.
Campbell also misrepresented the third number. It said, on the paper, "with covid", not that covid "contributed" to the death. The other video, that Matt mentions, shows how a cause of death report is filled out. Putting covid in the bottom section doesn't mean covid "contributed" to the death, just that they had covid. Putting covid in the top section means covid was considered to have contributed to the death (which is the second number). The difference between the second and third number means some 20k people, that had covid, died of other things, and the covid wasn't listed as contributing to the death. There's nothing incompatible with the second and third numbers.
And, Campbell making out like the government and media haven't been reporting that comorbidities increase your odds of dying, all along, was pure bullshit.
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"Forcing the vote" doesn't actually guarantee you a vote. Pelosi, and corporate Dems, could let progressives go ahead and paralyze the house and then blame progressives for no new covid relief, no minimum wage increase, no Medicare age decrease, and whatever else that would make progressives look bad in the eyes of the people.
Or, if Dore is right, in that corporate Dems would rather work with Republicans than progressives, that actually goes against his plan, because it reduces the leverage. Pelosi, and corporate Dems, could make a quiet deal with Republicans, in exchange for enough of them abstaining or being absent, to reduce the threshold needed to win, simply dodging the progressive threat and pushing corporate Dems and Republicans closer together.
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@skontheroad Would being in Israel, somehow change the fact that the Balfour declaration converted immigration Zionism into colonialist Zionsim? Change the fact that Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, in his 1923 The Iron Wall? Change the fact that followers of Ze'ev formed the Irgun and Lehi terrorist groups? Change that they bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, including Palestinian Jews who didn't support colonialist Zionsim? Change that the Lehi tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain? Change that they fought against the British all through WWII? Change that they assassinated British diplomats and bombed the King David Hotel? Change that they were involved in multiple massacres, during the Nakba? Change that Israel merged those terrorists into their military and intelligence agencies? Change that the leaders of those terrorist groups founded Likud, or that Israelis elected both terrorist leaders as PMs? Change that Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes"? Change that Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories? Change that all Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, and the UN SC, making them responsible for all occupied territories, as the actual authority over those places and people? Change the fact that they've been illegally colonizing the West Bank for decades? Change the fact that they're operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza? Change that they have as much "right to defend themselves" as Nazis had a "right to defend themselves" from the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
How would being in Israel, change any of that?
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@pjmonglover6207 The Romans put a lot of work into Palestine, they had even okayed the rebuilding of the second temple, brought roads, aqueducts, sanitation, etc. Some Jews still rebelled, raping, pillaging, murdering, even genociding entire towns, and accounts of them parading around wearing the skins of their victims, using entrails as belts. Were those Jews just anti-Italian?
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@II-wu7mx Well ... the US, capital L, Libertarians, or Any Rand style Objectivists, are in favor of keeping the justice system and military to protect their property and class. Things would be similar to the early conflicts with workers, where they'd call in the cops, national guard, or hire private strike breakers, because there'd be no laws protecting a workers, only laws protecting the owners' private properties. Not exactly "antistatist".
And, anarcho-capitalism devolves into feudalism. Without any authority above them, large private property owners, or corporations, would resolve disputes privately, with their own private armies. They'd make rules for living on their property. They'd set whatever fees they want for living on their property. Etc. And, they'd effectively become their own privately owned and operated state. Also not exactly "antistatist".
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@KrazyManuel The world wasn't created on Oct 7. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@youtube.censor.not.reacting Point out where ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@igorl46 Blah blah blah, same moronic bullshit , over and over ... both Palestinians and Jews have Canaanite DNA. Religion, language, and culture, isn't tied to genetics. Palestinians are natives that never left. They simply converted, and were Arabized, along the way. If you go wandering off for 1700 years, and "come back", you're "coming back" as colonizers, and murdering and ethnic cleansing your own people.
Plus, you idiots pick a very specific 500 year period. Egypt was the first nation to rule over the land of Canaan. Why not give it back to Egypt, if you want to reset the world back thousands of years?
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English/Norman Christians conquer, occupy, colonize, oppress, ethnically cleanse, and genocide, the Irish. 15 million people starve to death (genocide), under Christian British rule in India (occupation, colonization, ethnic cleansing, oppression). Christian British colonies enslave, ethnically cleanse, and genocide, people. The Christian British also created this ethnic cleansing, colonizing, occupying, Zionist nation, that is causing global tensions. Etc. UK granny says Muslims bad.
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How is stating the fact that he's for a public option rather than M4A a "smear"?
How about if I point out the absolute fact that businesses get their input VAT credited back to them in VAT systems, meaning it's also a fact that his claim a VAT will force Amazon to "pay their fair share" is completely false? Is that a "smear"?
How about the absolute fact that, if you don't actually tax Amazon, whose share of US consumer spending is 2%, and then hand US consumers $3t, then you'll only make Amazon an extra $60b a year? Is that a "smear"?
How about the absolute fact that some very poor people are already getting $1000+ in government assistance, of a type that Yang doesn't have stack with UBI, so them having to pay 10% more for phones, phone service, internet service, any entertainment with a cost, personal hygiene products, household cleaning products, home maintenance, vehicle maintenance, and all kinds of things not considered staples, will leave them worse off with Yang? Is that a "smear"?
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@m0ckingB1rd42 Lol, yes, I do believe they were true colonizers, dimwit. Hell, everyone traces back to Africa, so Africa can't possibly be colonized, by anyone? If I rounded up 6 million people from the Americas whose ancestors left England hundreds of years ago, "went back", claimed half of England, and cleansed "our" half of its current inhabitants (at least enough so that us "returnees" would be in a solid majority, so we can fake being democratic), we'd be colonizers.
How has Liberia turned out? It is now a majority native (never left) African. Would Israel be cool with that? Peace, and full right of return, for all Palestinians?
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@trollnerd When It comes to solutions, I never said to kick the Jews out. I'm for a single state solution, with a split Lebanon style government, and a right of return for Palestinian refugees. Nobody gets any ethnic cleansing dreams, like that Bezalel Smotrich loon, that Netanyahu put in charge of the West Bank. The guy made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jews in all of Israel/Palestine. Even worse, being a religious nut, he thinks Israel is actually "god given" land and he has a Biblical based fairy tale map of "Israel", that includes parts of Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
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@kristian1115 Only Israel has the power to actually accomplish a genocide. Bezalel Smotrich, who Netanyahu put in charge of the West Bank, made public a plan to segregate and subjugate (no federal representation), exile, or kill, any non Jews in all of Israel/Palestine. Plus, he's a religious nut whose map of "Israel" is Bible based, or something, and includes parts of Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon. 100 years of ethnic cleansing ... but Hamas is the main problem. 🙄
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I only use this account when I get put in time out Rofl. You must have a very limited knowledge of history. Millions were killed trying to cancel each other's religions, even each other's denominations. People were imprisoned, even executed, for being gay, being non religious, thinking the sun was the center of the galaxy, being "witches", for pre marital sex, for PDA, women wearing pants, for being unionists, for being socialists, etc., etc., etc. They still have a federal agency protecting their delicate sensibilities from naughty words and nipples. You idiots seriously think losing social media memberships, on platforms run by a giant corporations the right handed so much power to and billionaires who sure as hell aren't leftists, is even comparable?
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@seto_kaiba_ Well, one side are complete and utter morons. Biden isn't a progressive, and even progressives haven't pushed policies that would move the US left of Denmark (centrism), and morons call him a "communist". On the other hand, Dumpty and the majority of Republicans in congress tried to overthrow the democratic process and install him as an unelected dictator, so ... yeah, fascist. Are you making out like "enlightened centrist" is rational? It's not, if it's denying objective reality.
Hint: Israel is a colonizer, occupier, and also happens to be operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Palestinians are reacting the way pretty much every colonized people in history have reacted. Both sides-ing the colonization of North America wouldn't be objective, dumb dumb.
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@AcolyteOfLucifer Nope. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation ... which would be worse.
The study Yang linked to outright showed a near 100% pass through on standard rated (20%) goods and services. It was only by including lesser rated (8%) and zero rated (0%) goods and services that the pass through rate dropped. Yang mistook that, or lied, to mean that businesses were paying a bunch of the VAT, when it actually meant that there was less tax, or no tax, on many things.
Any other taxes you're referring to were peanuts. He had current taxes, which he argued himself that corporations were dodging, paying for about a third. He had a VAT, which corporations wouldn't pay, paying for about a third. And, he had a third starting in deficit.
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@RealestUrbanism So, we're agreed that Yang was clueless, or lying, when he said a VAT taxes corporations directly, and that he was clueless, or lying, when he said that pass through rate study showed corporations were paying for part of it.
Now, you're making an argument, which Yang never made, that a VAT will reduce sales, reducing profits, and indirectly "tax" them? So, you're going to hand consumers $1000 a month, and you think it's going to reduce sales? That's sounds like a pretty dumb take.
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If human beings wanted to be in a free universe, rather than a perfect universe, then why are so many trying to get into a perfect heaven, where they'll be stuck for the rest of eternity?
There is no such thing as unlimited free speech, anywhere. Defamation is a speech crime. Threats are a speech crime. Conspiring to commit a crime, is a speech crime. Verbal harassment is a speech crime. Incitement is a speech crime. The weird thing about the US is that you can face legal consequences for harassing, threatening, defaming, an individual, but you can effectively harass, threaten, or defame, an entire group of people, all you want. Plus, spew an incredible amount of hate, publicly, guaranteed to incite someone. Hate speech tends to have to rise to a level of harrassment, threat, or incitement, for the law to get involved.
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@allgoo1990 Yes, he was there to agree with Tucker.
There's no policy debate to be had. It's a tactics debate, and spending all your time slandering the most progressive members of congress, is a bad tactic. Yes, making out like those who are fighting to add more M4A yes votes to congress, the very thing needed to ever pass the bill, are fakes, frauds, sellouts, or whatever crazy nonsense, is slander.
Threatening to paralyze the house for a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, had what value exactly, that was worth slandering anyone who didn't agree on the tactic? Why didn't getting a vote, and getting a list of no voters, on the $15, have value?
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Cuomo is as incompetent as Trump. New York is testing at a rate of 2 extra people per positive result. That's below the already pathetic US rate of testing 5 extra people per positive result. Countries that quickly contained the virus with mass testing, like S Korea, Australia, and New Zealand, have been testing at a rate of 50+ extra people per positive result. Countries that seem to be flattening, but not as quickly, like Norway and Iceland, are testing at a rate of 20+ extra people per positive result. Canada is testing at about 15 per, Germany 13 per, Italy 7 per, Spain 5 per, UK 4 per, France 3 per ... much of the developed world, and world leading countries, have failed miserably at virus containment. New York state has one of the worst testing rates in the world. The US is so far behind the virus, I don't think they can catch up to it.
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@typhoon320i I didn't suggest he did. I said he could. Banks consider stocks to have current value, and will provide loans, lines of credit, against that current value. It's nonsensical for you, or the government, to pretend they don't have current value. Real estate is taxed at current market value. It is considered to have current value, without having to be sold. Like stocks, you can take out mortgages, lines of credit, against that current value. If real estate prices dropped, next year, or something happened to devalue your property, so be it. It doesn't change what you had to pay, this year.
What are you even talking about? They're hoarding hundreds of billions. And, not just the large shareholders, the top 500 US corporations are simply hoarding some $4t dollars.
Rofl, I would show that kind of commitment if, when I "paid taxes", I had the option to buy more $1000 stocks, at $6.24 a share, and actually increase my wealth, as I'm "paying taxes".
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@itsmeagain1828 What a load of rubbish. Your last sentence is pure irony.
Health & safety isn't right or left. Seatbelt laws, speeding laws, drinking and driving laws, don't equate to "communism", any more than distancing and mask wearing do. You're arguing incompetence is right wing.
The WHO never argued it wasn't deadly. They argued travel bans wouldn't do as much as preparedness would do. They were obviously right. Trump didn't prepare and the US ended up being one of the worst hit countries in the world. And, again, health & safety has little to do with right and left.
China produces 28% of the world's carbon emissions, and their emissions are lower than the US per capita. And the aid for reducing emissions, under the Paris accord, wasn't based on who produces the most. It was based on developed vs developing vs undeveloped countries. All the developed countries paid more than developing or undeveloped countries. Being in the Paris accord doesn't push the US left of any other country in the Paris accord.
Reagan gave amnesty, and a path to citizenship, to millions of undocumented immigrants. Are you so far psycho right wing that you think Reagan was a commie?
Clearly, like Trump, you have no clue how tariffs work.
Copenhagen is on track to become the first carbon neutral major city. Denmark is on track to cut emissions 70% by 2030, and be totally carbon neutral by 2050.
Nothing you've said puts the US even in the same neighborhood as Denmark, let alone an inch to the left, which is still a long long way from all out communism.
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@aceboogisback9946 Dimwit, Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every measure. Don't talk about rose-colored glasses, when you've got a bucket over your head.
One of measures being that Israel is considered an occupier, by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC, so this is not a "war". This is an occupier dishing out collective punishment, which is illegal. It is also illegal for an occupier to colonize occupied territories. On the other hand, the occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, here. Saying they're at "war" with Gaza, is like saying the Nazis were at "war" with the Warsaw ghetto.
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@emoonie No vaccine is 100%, dimwit. The flu vaccine has a 50% efficacy, and needs to be taken yearly. How effective a vaccine is, and how long it lasts, depends mainly on the type of virus, not the vaccine. Different viruses trigger different types of antibodies. The same reason that you're not immune to the flu, after getting it once.
The protection, with even the 50% efficacy flu vaccine, is exponential though. The first vaccinated person in contact with a virus carrier is 50% protected, which means a second vaccinated person coming in contact with the first vaccinated person is 75% protected, the third contacting the second is 87.5% protected, the fourth contacting the third is 93.75% protected, etc. You, not being vaccinated, having 0% protection, and possibly being an asymptotic carrier, are far more likely to reset the vaccination chain percentage back down to 50%.
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It's even more basic than bailouts and subsidies, Kyle. Basic taxes for roads, defense, education, etc., are a consumption tax, which they aren't paying their share of, but are reaping the most benefit from.
If say Apple ships a million phones from China, via safe, defended, shipping lanes, and I buy a phone, they have benefited from that protection a million times more than me.
Transport trucks drive 3x more than the average car owner. On top of using roads 3x more, they are also transporting goods. If a truck is transporting 10000 goods, and I buy a good, they have benefited 10000x more than me from that road.
If my education makes me 100k a year, but they make a million off of me, then they are benefiting 10x more than me from my education.
Even though we're both benefiting from the single sale, it's me, the consumer, paying any sales tax. If they have property taxes, taxes on their other bills, etc., guess what ... they're going to pass that cost onto the consumer, as well.
These guys really pay for no tax, along the way, but reap most of the rewards. Then a place like Amazon doesn't even get taxed on all that reward? Ridiculous.
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@LEP021085 Rofl. I like how you have to compare the US to developing, rather than developed, countries, in some lame attempt to argue the US doesn't have a gun problem. Yeah, developing countries have other problems that make the issue more nuanced. Oh, and of course you pull out Switzerland, which doesn't have anywhere close to the same level of gun ownership as the US, and has a higher firearm mortality rate than many other developed countries with lower gun ownership than them. Switzerland doesn't help your case. They have up to 2x the gun ownership rate of Sweden, and about 2x the firearm mortality rate. They have 10-20x the gun ownership rate of the UK, and 10x the firearm mortality rate. The US has about 60x the gun ownership rate of the UK and 60x the firearm mortality rate, 6x the gun ownership rate of Sweden and 12x the firearm mortality rate, 3-5x the gun ownership rate of Switzerland and about 4x the firearm mortality rate.
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@l.w.paradis2108 So you make your protest votes, Pelosi doesn't get elected speaker, it returns to caucus. How do you then get a progressive elected while you're in the minority? Corporate Dems can keep picking Pelosi, or even someone more right wing, and keep going back to the house. How long do you paralyze the house, while they, and the corporate media, propagandize it and blame you for not being able to vote on anything, like minimum wage, or whatever?
AOC just used her progressive PAC to help get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress, she actually made a little progress, while Jimmy the armchair quarterback was whining about shit Obama was saying. Corporate Dems openly stated that's why she didn't get the committee seat she wanted. She threw some punches, by endorsing and helping fund progressives primarying corporate Dems, and they punched back. And now she's also getting stabbed in the back for her efforts. Progressives should be crying foul at Pelosi, atm, not crying "fake", "shill", and "wimp", at AOC. Primaries are part of the democratic process. There shouldn't be a penalty for it. That's anti-democratic. Have her back, instead of a knife in it, over a tactics disagreement.
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@jdelapaz14 Dore promoted Trump (wanted to kick 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) over Clinton (wanted to add 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion). He argued that Trump was so bad that it would cause a massive progressive backlash. He vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming it would lead to progressives "for sure taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left and vote against a Trump agenda (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong).
He wasn't right about anything. The Obama presidency also gave us Bernie and a progressive movement. It didn't need letting a psycho fascist rule for 4 years to get a progressive movement. In fact, everyone was so scared of another Trump term, they went running they fell for the "more electable" propaganda, and went running to Biden. If he's going to blame Obama for giving us Trump, then we can blame Trump, and Jimmy for encouraging it, for giving us Biden.
Dore isn't right about much, at all, when it comes to strategy.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@readbetweenthelineslll1635 So, a rebel would paralyze the house, freezing any chance at new covid relief, new unemployment extensions, new vaccine funding, etc., during a pandemic? And, if the Dem caucus, where progressives aren't the majority yet, keeps picking Pelosi, or someone worse ... how long do you think people will support progressives, if they can't afford to buy food and pay bills?
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Hamas has ceasefired before, and it was Israel that broke the agreement. So, the issue is that Bernie, and David, should be saying the same thing about Likud, who has shown zero desire for peace, for decades.
Likud was created by Zionist terrorist, Menachem Begin, who bombed Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism), and bombed the King David Hotel. The other founder was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, who massacred Palestinian villages. Their initial platform stated that their goal was for Israel to rule from the sea to the Jordan (reverse of, from the river to the sea).
Netanyahu has proven that that still seems to be the goal, with the endless colonization of the West Bank. Netanyahu also promoted, and helped fund, Hamas, to weaken the Palestinian Authority and avoid possible peace, so he could continue his colonization projects. The end of violence would mean that Israel might have to pull back, plus allow the right of return for Palestinian refugees. Peace is against Likud's interests.
So, why not the exact same forceful demand that Likud be removed?
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@jamessilver6429 He's an idiot.
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@adulthumanfemale265 You seem to be working backwards from the conclusion that humans have cultures, therefore if humans do it, it's culture. But, if animals do it, then it's not, because you've also already concluded that they don't have cultures. Either having the urge to get rid of, or eradicate, that which you dislike is culture, or it's not.
A hermit is, literally, not part of a group, ffs. He's anti-group. What the hell kind of definition are you using for "culture"?
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@Lord_technofascist_nepobaby Maybe they don't bend over, and call you. Then you have to either cave, looking stupid, or paralyze the house. If you paralyze the house, during a pandemic, they can blame you for no new covid relief, blame you for no minimum wage hike, and whatever other harm a paralyzed house would cause to people.
Or, if Jimmy is right, and they'd rather work with Republicans than with progressives, then they could coordinate something with Republicans to counter progressive protest votes.
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@rBennich If Ivermectin works, then why does Peru have the highest covid death rate in the world? They've had one of, if not the, highest uses of Ivermectin.
If Ivermectin works, then why did Joe Rogan throw thousands of dollars of other medications into his body?
If Ivermectin works, then why did India stop using it? Is their national healthcare advisory, that found it to be ineffective, also in on the conspiracy?
If Ivermectin is effective, then why did a leading Ivermectin "study", claiming it's effective, get pulled from publications for being outright fraudulent? Why would you have to make up data, and lie, if it actually worked?
The CDC, and pretty much every other country's healthcare advisory, across the world, don't consider there to be any reliable evidence Ivermectin is effective. I take it they're all in on this grand conspiracy?
Yeah, you're a kook.
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@michaels8620 Calling something "performance art" isn't the same as calling it "stupid". It's just a factual description of what it would have been. In no reality would it have passed. There's already a historical record of those who won't cosign, plus a historical record of committee members who sat on the bill, after Pelosi introduced it, all last session. Likewise, for this session. So, it would have been purely for show, right?
"Performance art" is exactly not a hill worth dying on. If you do it, cool. If you don't, whatever. As soon as a certain someone (that you don't want to mention, on a video about a guy spewing that someone's talking points) turned it into a purity test, slandering anyone who didn't immediately jump on board a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer", etc., he turned a lot of people off. Part of any good plan is the ability to sell that plan to others, especially those you want to implement the plan. He who shall not be named was a horrible salesman, and his sales team was equally horrible. I think it's less about staying on someone's good side, and more about not feeling it's worth slandering them over it.
The party speaker candidate is chosen by simple majority of the Dem caucus. The entire progressive caucus doesn't have the majority needed to be able to pick the party speaker candidate. The corporate Dem majority could keep picking Pelosi over and over and over, or someone worse. All you'd be doing is paralyzing the house, for an indefinite period of time, until a speaker was elected. For what, exactly? What happens when the progressive caucus does get the 15, or so, more seats needed to become the majority of the Dem caucus? You've started an all out intra party war, and they do the same thing, to you. Then what?
The only way to actually pass the bill is to get enough yes votes in congress to be able to pass the bill. While he who shall not be named was slandering AOC and Bernie for abandoning M4A, as he himself abandoned Nina Turner, they were on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and fighting to add another M4A yes vote to congress. Bernie, Justice Dems, and AOC, have done more for M4A in a few years, than he has in his entire lifetime.
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@michaels8620 Most definitely. FDR would have kept doing what he was doing, even if some loudmouth was calling him a "sellout", for making friends with Charles Murphy, who he had previously called a "noxious weed", and telling people to vote for Norman Thomas instead.
AOC has outright backed progressives in other districts, campaigning on the ground, fighting to increase numbers, when getting enough numbers is the only way to ever be able to pass anything. The bare minimum is simply working for your own district, and not giving a fuck what goes on in other districts.
They never had the numbers to outright remove Pelosi. Already explained that. They could have paralyzed the house, is what they could have done ... no new covid relief, no new unemployment extension, no new child tax credit, no new vaccine funding, etc. ... during a pandemic. Twice before, when the speakership vote was stalemated for a couple months, the house simply adopted a temporary plurality wins rule. So, you might be able to oust her for McCarthy.
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@jamez2918 Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@selvamthiagarajan8152 You don't agree with reality? Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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By every relevant measure, Israel is objectively the aggressor ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, that the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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andresrojas7924 Likud was created by Menachem Begin, a Zionist terrorist leader of the Irgun, who bombed Palestinian markets, full of Palestinian women and children, and even Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism), and blew up the King David Hotel. The other founder was Ariel Sharon, who committed numerous crimes of war, massacring Palestinian villages. Their original platform, left no room for Palestinians ...
"The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."
"between the Sea and the Jordan" = from the river to the sea
Israel doesn't recognize Palestine, dimwit. They keep claiming, like cowards, that they aren't colonizers, because "Palestine" doesn't exist, which is an absolutely moronic argument, that would negate much of the colonizing in history.
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Aaron is an idiot. Israel, the US, France, all bombed Syria before inspectors even made it to the sites they investigated. The final report, which didn't assign blame, didn't even come out until almost a year later. It had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb.
Plus, 2 dissenting opinions on a single investigation doesn't even debunk that single investigation, let alone the hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use since 2012. One of which was the month before, in 2018, which had an investigation with zero dissenting opinions, and a follow up investigation which did assign blame to Syria.
Dore knobs are as dumb as a sack of doorknobs.
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@anitad5935 What? That 1.3m was from around 1991, and after living amongst Muslims for some 1300 years. The largely Christian US then came along and bombed the hell out of Iraq, then laid siege to the country, for a decade, and then came back to bomb the hell out of the country, again. The population had already been estimated to have dropped by about 500k, to 800k, by 2003.
The US then allowed extremists to grow, out from the very place people blamed Saddam for gassing, and spread throughout the North, amongst the Kurds, many of whom joined ISIL. It was under the US' watch that IS started killing and persecuting everyone, including mostly Muslims. And, it was mostly Muslims (Kurds are 99% Muslims) who stopped them. Over 2 million people fled Iraq, not just Christians.
So, who was genociding who, exactly? The foreign Christian invaders bombing and laying siege, killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, including Christian Iraqis? IS killing anyone who wouldn't join them? Most of the world were against both of those. Who's still genociding?
Some estimates say there actually could still be almost 500k Christians in Iraq, but they keep delaying taking a census, to be able to verify any numbers. A couple hundred thousand took refuge with the Muslim majority Kurds, who protected them from IS. There have been the same ethnic groups on opposite sides, and different ethnic groups teaming up. There have been the same religions on opposite sides, and different religions teaming up. The US turned Iraq into a big clusterf*ck.
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@bunnychowmuncher Jordan expelled the PLO to Lebanon, and kept Palestinian refugees, still having over 2m, today. You reached back 50 years to pull out nothing like a genocide.
Then you call a closed border a genocide ... huh?
A Christian US proxy war, you mean. The US backed a coup against the democratically elected PM of Iran, who had been taking powers away from their puppet Shah and wanted to nationalize Iran's oil. With his full powers returned, the dictator Shah killed and persecuted thousands. When a popular revolutionary leader, in Iraq, overthrew its puppet British monarch, and talked about nationalizing oil, the US supported a Ba'ath coup. When Saddam then nationalized Iraq's oil, the US and Israel backed a Kurdish rebellion against Saddam. Then, when their puppet Shah was overthrown, the US ditched the Kurds, let their rebellion be squashed, turned to Saddam again, and backed him against Iran. And, now the US is using their buddy, Saudi.
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@Thezuule1 As was pointed out ... that was one doctor, in one hospital, in one state, that wasn't one of the top 5, from 2 weeks ago.
Update: More than 580,000 US pediatric Covid-19 cases were reported last week alone, far exceeding past peaks, the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association said Wednesday.
That's a 78% increase over the 325,000 new cases reported the prior week. And the last two weeks alone have accounted for 11% of the country's total for pediatric cases, the groups said.
"Of the children who have been hospitalized or go to the intensive care unit or die, about a third of them have no comorbidities. Therefore, it can occur in anyone," Offit said Tuesday.
"This is not a virus to fool around with. This is not influenza or parainfluenza or other typical respiratory viruses. This virus can cause you to make an immune response to your own blood vessels, which means that you can have heart disease, brain disease, kidney disease, lung disease as well as liver disease," he said.
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@IAmTheTruCanadian Israel exists because of a) Zionist colonialism. Colonialists are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the natives. In 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted, based on the entirety of history, that the native population would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care about the native population, and thought colonialism was a fine idea.
Israel exists because of b) Zionist terrorism. Zionists created terrorist groups, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets, and other public places, killing many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, who bombed the King David Hotel, to be their PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". They literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
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@MarkMayhew First wrap your brain around who the actual aggressor is. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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Alabama Man Special Edition Rofl. Millions of people die of hunger, yearly, and most are in capitalist countries. WWI was all a bunch of capitalist countries killing each other. The Holocaust was actually about 15m people. Japan also killed 3-14 million civilians and POWs. Millions died due to famine, in British India, as they exported food. Japan, Italy, Germany, were all right wing, and started another world war, that killed tens of millions. Millions were killed in the Congo, the most deadly conflict since WWII.
You're in denial.
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@shadebleu Do you, or someone else, keep flagging history?
"Meanwhile the Jews in the region of Cyrene had put one Andreas at their head and were destroying both the Romans and the Greeks. They would cook their flesh, make belts for themselves of their entrails, anoint themselves with their blood, and wear their skins for clothing. Others they would give to wild beasts and force still others to fight as gladiators. In all, consequently, two hundred and twenty thousand perished. In Egypt, they also performed many similar deeds, and in Cyprus under the leadership of Artemio. There, likewise, two hundred and forty thousand perished. For this reason, no Jew may set foot in that land, but even if one of them is driven upon the island by the force of the wind, he is put to death. Various persons took part in subduing these Jews, one being Lusius, who was sent by Trajan.[9]"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitos_War
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@kylequest A public option is not as good as M4A. Also, Bernie did not propose a total ban on private insurance. Just no duplicate coverage, exactly how Medigap isn't allowed to offer and charge people for things their Medicare already covers.
Let's say someone is already collecting full SSI disability benefits, plus SNAP, which are currently stackable. They could easily already be getting $1000+ a month in assistance. Okay, so Yang doesn't have UBI stack with SSI, only SSDI, and they opt out of getting UBI, but they can't opt out of paying a VAT. Unless you expect them to live a life with no phone service, no internet, no electricity, no transportation, and numerous other things that don't get counted as basic necessities, then their cost of living will increase. You will have made someone already living in poverty effectively poorer, while handing upper middle class and lower end rich people more per year than they'll pay into a VAT (someone would have to be spending $120k a year on VATable goods and services to be even, $240k for a couple). That makes little sense. Plus, he never made it sound like new people could opt in to the old programs (which he wants phased out), so new disabled people might just be stuck with the $1000 a month. And, no, getting people off programs with jobs, but keeping the programs for safety, isn't the same as wanting to totally phase out programs. I mean, on his own, the guy originally thought it was a great ideas to not have UBI stack with anything and get rid of everything, including social security. It took a bunch of negative feedback for him to change his plan. He's not really as caring or smart as people think he is.
And, again, he doesn't seem to have a clue how a VAT actually works. He will make giant corporations extra tens of billions a year, making their owners and large shareholders extra billions a year. They'll be more than happy to pay whatever thousands a year extra on personal products, for that exchange. Yang would have money flowing to the very top faster than ever before. He needs a different method to pay for the UBI, one that will have those at the top paying in more than they'll make back, and won't be a burden on some of the poorest people.
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@kylequest As for saying that companies wouldn't make more money, you're being a complete idiot. The whole point is that, if you hand people money, they will spend it. You'd have to be braindead not to think companies will benefit. Part of Yang's stated method for paying for his almost $1t starting deficit is that the economy will expand, and pay for it, ffs.
If you hand Americans $3t, and they spend a third of their money on retail, and Amazon's share of US retail is 4%, the UBI just made Amazon an extra $40b a year. That would, in turn, make Bezos extra billions a year. He could buy a brand new $1b yacht, every single year, pay the $100m in VAT, and still come out way ahead.
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@rafidifrancesco7956 Zionism converted from something more like immigration to colonialism, with the Balfour declaration. Ze'ev Jabotinsky, The Iron Wall, 1923:
"There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.
My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.
The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage."
"Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies.
To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system.
All Natives Resist Colonists
There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised.
That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel.""
"This statement of the position by the Arab editor is so logical, so obvious, so indisputable, that everyone ought to know it by heart, and it should be made the basis of all our future discussions on the Arab question. It does not matter at all which phraseology we employ in explaining our colonising aims, Herzl's or Sir Herbert Samuel's.
Colonisation carries its own explanation, the only possible explanation, unalterable and as clear as daylight to every ordinary Jew and every ordinary Arab.
Colonisation can have only one aim, and Palestine Arabs cannot accept this aim. It lies in the very nature of things, and in this particular regard nature cannot be changed."
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He should say the same about Likud. Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@eddiecalderone Nothing you blathered negates the fact that there were people living on those lands. If the Palestinian majority didn't agree to partition, agree to be colonized, that means partition, colonization, was forced on the majority, against their will. Furthermore, even within the Zionist portion of partition, there were about 150k more non-Jews than Jews, which is why they needed to be ethnically cleansed. To believe Zionist terrorists, like the Irgun and Lehi, had zero intention to ethnically cleanse the actual majority, would require believing they had zero intention to create a Jewish state. That's a nonsensical notion.
There are fewer Christians in Jerusalem, now, than pre-Nakba.
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@Kevin Tewey Which ones were supported by the UN, UN inspectors, Germany, France, Switzerland, Nordic countries, multiple NGOs like doctors without borders, multiple legal human rights groups representing victims, hundreds of on the ground victims, dozens of on the ground hospitals, and multiple independent investigations?
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@jimv803 The US deciding how it was going to independently react is actually a seperate issue from the UN investigating accounts of chemical weapons use. As per Russian orders, that single investigation, which you think debunks all the rest, didn't even assign blame. The US deciding who to blame, and how to react (Obama didn't drop bombs after the first major use of chemical weapons, instead negotiating the destruction of chemical weapons), was totally the US' decision.
It's a method for killing people. There's not really a dispute that he was still dropping bombs on his own people, killing them, in a war he's already winning. Russia was vetoing over a dozen UN resolutions against Syria, like the US does with Israel. Russia is, likewise, a terrorist nation, that invades places it feels like, has massacred seperatists in the name of fighting terrorism, is involved in proxy wars, etc. The fact that there were hundreds of reports of chemical weapons use and they were still winning, and still being protected as best Russia could, wouldn't deter them from continuing use, even if all those reports were true.
Making out like doctors without borders, who had their own bases of operations for awhile, and then also had contacts in hospitals across the country, is some CIA front group, is nonsensical. Making out like legal human rights organizations, and courts in countries like the Netherlands, which also took the US to court and ruled the war in Iraq illegal, are now CIA front groups, is nonsensical. Etc.
The answer can be both that Syria is using chemical weapons and that the US shouldn't be bombing or invading countries unilaterally, or with tiny coalitions of the willing.
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waynebanks6515 The difference, here, is that Jews had been living with Muslims for 1200+ years. Muslims weren't force converting, like Christians. When Christians reconquered Spain, the vast majority of the population was still Christian. The Christian conquerors then gave Jews and Muslims an ultimatum ... conversion, death, or exile. The Sephardic Jews left with the Muslims, and most settled in the Ottoman Empire, which welcomed them. Early Zionism also started under the Ottoman Empire.
Basically all major tensions stem from the British screwing Palestinians out of self rule over their lands, with the Balfour declaration, which led to the creation of Israel. That, not religion, was the initial core of the problem, on the Arab world side of things. On the Zionist side of things, there was definitely a religious aspect to thinking they had any right to their supposed "god given land".
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@clarity7531 No. He just lies about being untouchable. He was fined $10.5m for improperly running his casinos. He and daddy were also fined for gaming fraud, when daddy bought over $3m in chips, and didn't cash them in, to try and bail out his incompetent son. He settled for defrauding his own Trump University fans. He and daddy settled, twice, for not renting to black Americans. He was found guilty of defamation and rape, by one of those juries that he so desperately wants, but didn't ask for.
Plus, the guy is an utter moron. He stands outside the court and "defends" himself by claiming he didn't commit bank fraud, by overvaluing properties, but instead committed massive tax fraud, by undervaluing properties by billions of dollars. The IRS could be watching his antics very carefully.
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@bluebottle1988
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@julianbluefeather8491 But, it's not smart. It comes down to math. If you take 5% of the vote (Nader got 4%), mostly from Dems, then Republicans will win. And, they'd keep winning, for the foreseeable future, with any higher percentage. Even if the entire progressive caucus was third party, that would hand the house, senate, and presidency, to Republicans. You would never get a chance to pass anything, until you got all of the Dem votes, anyway, so why not just leave the Dem votes where they are, and try and change the party?
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Doc Wonder You're a moron, too. Only complete idiots point at big city totals. Red states tend to have higher firearm mortality rates, higher homicide rates, lower education ratings, lower healthcare ratings, leech off of blue states, etc. Anchorage, Alaska, has a higher violent crime rate than Chicago. St Louis, Missouri, has a higher violent crime rate than Baltimore. Tons of red state cities have a higher violent crime rate than San Francisco, don't even know why you included it.
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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It's not that Zionists are extraordinarily ruthless, wicked, evil, or whatnot ... it's that colonialism is an old shit philosophy, that shouldn't be around anymore. You said in another recent video that you'd have more respect for Trump supporters, if they'd just be honest. I have more respect for early Zionists who were quite honest. The Iron Wall is very honest in describing Zionism's colonial intentions ...
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/quot-the-iron-wall-quot
Just like American colonialism ... move some settlers into Native territories, the Natives get angry and attack, pretend the Natives are the bad guys, the military moves in and eradicates or pushes off the Natives, the border expands ... rinse and repeat.
The two state solution is a failure because it's based on colonialism. Native Americans didn't give up for hundreds of years, and not until there was almost nothing left of them.
You're a bright guy. There needs to be a single state solution, a right of return, government sharing like in Lebanon, and an end to what will be endless bullshit, the way things are going. There's not a huge difference between Manifest Destiny and Zionism.
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William Webber How did he "assure himself of their validity"? When will he release how he managed to authenticate them?
So, Hunter Biden, who has been living in California since 2018, travelled to Delaware with 3 old laptops that needed repairs in 2019, just happened to pick a Trump supporter's repair shop, and then just happened to forget about them. That shop owner then called him (and can provide us with a verifiable Hunter Biden phone number?) but got no response, then at some point rifled through 4 years of emails, found the "smoking gun", called the police or FBI (he couldn't seem to decide), the FBI sent a subpoena, he made a copy of what was then federal evidence, that evidence made its way to Rudy in early 2020, Rudy then took months to verify it himself, rather than handing it to an investigation he was personally promoting so they could do it, it took him months and months to verify the hard drives were authentic, totally missing the congressional hearing he was also promoting, and then once authenticated handed the information to a tabloid instead of his buddies at FOX, but didn't hand over how they were authenticated.
Have I got all that right?
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William Webber As soon as you get the subpoena, it's basically theirs, under penalty of law. You can't just not give it to them, trying to claim it doesn't belong to them unless they get their hands on it.
And you're just lying about the "Biden camp". Days ago, they put out a statement saying Biden's official schedule of the time, shows no such meeting with any such person. As well as Biden's Ukraine advisor of the time denying any such meeting took place.
You also seem to be dumber than a stump. The Mueller investigation led to charges against 34 people. Plenty of evidence was found. And, they only didn't charge Jr and Kushner, because they couldn't prove they "knowingly" broke the law. In other words, the two could have used the defense that they were too stupid to know they were breaking the law, and Mueller wouldn't be able to prove otherwise. There's plenty of evidence that they are very very stupid, so I get how it would be difficult to prove they aren't. There was also evidence of obstruction laid out against Trump, but he didn't think a sitting president could be charged. Doesn't mean there was no evidence, or that he can't be once he's not a sitting president.
You just seem to be projecting. I mean, even with a majority of the Senate, the Republican investigation didn't find anything criminal. Kind of like their billion Benghazi investigations.
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William Webber Who the hell is playing lawyer? It's just a fact that you can't withhold stuff that's been subpoenaed. "Subpoena", literally, means "under penalty". Don't hand it over and you're going to get charged.
Is that the same Ratcliffe who thinks a process that's laid out in the constitution is unconstitutional, if it's used against his buddy Trump? I'll wait for the FBI take on it, thanks. Even though Wray is a Republican, he doesn't seem to be french kissing Trump's asshole every chance he gets.
Oh hey, the exact guy Trump's own administration sanctioned as being a Russian stooge, but Trump and Giulliani kept sharing things from anyway, has supposedly found another laptop in the Ukraine. Hunter was leaving laptops everywhere. If someone isn't ruling out the possibility of Giulliani being played, then that seems pretty weird.
Unlike Trump, Biden released 22 years of tax returns. You can be sure that Bannon (another Trump criminal sidekick, charged with fraud over border wall fundraiser) had people go through them, because he had wanted to see them for over a year. Nobody has found any income from China. The Ukrainian Biden helped get fired, the EU also wanted fired, as did Republicans like Ron Johnson and Rob Portman. It wasn't all that controversial. I don't even know what you think there really is on Joe, even if the laptops pan out. Who gives a crap about Hunter? Is Joe planning on having his idiot of a kid working in the White House, like Trump?
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AOC just used her platform and PAC to help get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. You know, that thing you'll still have to do once the vote fails. The only "fake", "shill", and "wimp", would be the guy stabbing her in the back, while she's doing the actual real fighting against DCCC backed corporate Dems, by helping to primary progressives against them and increasing M4A support in congress. Here's a brilliant idea ... mislead people into thinking that even progressives aren't on their side, then promote another third party, start from scratch, and then not even win a seat in congress over the next few decades let alone M4A. You might as well be shilling for the Republican party, Jimmy.
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@jeffbguarino Rofl, I read your "everyone I know", just fine, dimwit. And, since you consider any survey, that doesn't ask every single person in the country the question, to be invalid, your opinion is limited to your little circle of friends. Ironic, considering your opening criticism. You're, clearly, a nutjob.
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@ojo1979 "forcing the vote is one solution"
Solution to what? It fails, then you have to do exactly what AOC is currently doing, and get more pro M4A candidates in congress. If Jimmy has 100 pro M4A candidates laying around, why didn't he pull them out and run them in the election that just happened? If Briahna wants to coordinate protests groups to have M4A protests, why hasn't she been doing that all along? The Democratic Socialists of America, of which AOC is a member, have been having M4A rallies. Where were Jimmy and his posse? The things he wants to happen, after forcing a vote that fails, are already happening. They just haven't been a part of it.
Get out there and put pressure on your district's anti-M4A candidate, if you have one. Protest them, if you need to. Find someone to run against them, if you need to. You don't need a failed vote to do what needs to be done once it fails, anyway.
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@ryanhubbard1885 Trump didn't speed up anything. He tried to make the process harder. In 2019, he had the most border crossings in a year than since 2006. The new migration spike started under him. It only dropped back down in 2020 because the world shut down. Overall, he averaged more border crossings per year than Obama. He sucked at the one thing all the racists voted for him for.
Yes, I say racists, because almost all of the anti-immigrant arguments are bullshit. Undocumented immigrants commit crimes at half the rate of natural born citizens. Over 90% of drugs come through points of entry. Over 80% of drug traffickers are Americans (Cartels aren't stupid. They use the people least likely to be stopped, not the most likely, and don't want their product swept downriver, lying in a desert, or tossed in detention.). Plus, Republicans argue there is plenty of room for hundreds of thousands of extra unwanted babies per year. Johnson even argued they're needed, to keep SS and Medicare afloat. You don't actually need the babies ... just make immigration easier, and get them paying into the system as fast as possible. And, the "replacement" nonsense is outright insane. Most of those people have native ancestry. Europeans crying about being "replaced" by natives ... give me a break. 😂
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@LVArturs The League of Nations became the UN. This did not start "way before" the League of Nations. It basically started with the Balfour declaration. Early Zionists, like Ben-Gurion and Ze'ev Jabotinsky, fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism. There's no real ifs about it. Colonialists are never not the aggressors. Nobody "started" a war against Israel. The colonialism started the war. It's impossible for natives to attack you, if you aren't already there doing your colonialist aggression, first.
That's like saying Native Americans "started" wars against colonialists, and the poor "innocent" colonialists were just "defending" themselves. Native Americans initially welcomed settlers, until those settlers started claiming everything as their own, and started their ethnic cleansing. Then the natives reached a point that they wanted to send the white man back into the sea. It wasn't simply because he was white.
Jews had been living amongst Muslims for 1300 years. Muslim nations gave them refuge, when Christian nations were force converting, exiting, or killing, non Christians. The Ottomans initially welcomed Zionists, when it was somewhat more like immigration (PICA was okay, JNF was racist), before the British took it over. Everything turned to shit, due to colonialism.
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@gnubbiersh647 Because there's no moral issue, if nobody cares. We no longer consider women wearing pants to be a moral issue, because people no longer care if women wear pants. Who cares, if they actually care, and why, is relevant.
Matt Walsh is a Catholic. There's literally a Catholic catechism stating that the god he worships is sexless, but it's apparently perfectly fine to use masculine gender terminology, to identify it. Catholics also believe that sexless god transitioned into a human male for a time. They outright worship a trans god. In fact, the vast majority of Christians do. That makes them all hypocrites, when they whine about trans people.
The mere existence of a Y chromosome doesn't guarantee maleness (Swyer syndrome). The gene needs to express, to create maleness. For the first 5-7 weeks, only the mother's X (female) chromosome expresses. Anyone (including Matt and Ben) arguing life begins at fertilization, is arguing we're all female (or, at minimum, all sexless), which makes them trans.
They ignore the fact that there are also trans men out there, beating birth certificate certified males, in sports. Lia Thomas was beaten by a trans man, Iszac Henig, before Henig transitioned. The two effectively swapped leagues. Would anyone have cared, if Henig hadn't transitioned, and continued beating women? Thomas has broken no national or international records. She simply swam during some slow years in the women's division, in her categories. Kate Douglass broke 18 national records, but people preferred to blather on endlessly about Lia. Those people are the ones detracting from the accomplishments of a birth certificate certified female, by focusing on nonsense.
The makers of the movie admittedly refused to go through the transitioning process that would actually allow them to qualify as women. It's a completely dishonest movie. Nobody is transitioning, just to beat women. Hardly anyone is doing it. So, what's your big issue with it?
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@gnubbiersh647 Because there's no moral debate, if the person you're debating doesn't actually care. We no longer consider women wearing pants to be a moral issue, because people no longer care if women wear pants. Who cares, if they actually care, and why, is relevant.
Matt Walsh is a Catholic. There's literally a Catholic catechism stating that the god he worships is sexless, but it's apparently perfectly fine to use masculine gender terminology, to identify it. Catholics also believe that sexless god transitioned into a human male for a time. They outright worship a trans god. In fact, the vast majority of Christians do. That makes them all hypocrites, when they whine about trans people.
The mere existence of a Y chromosome doesn't guarantee maleness (Swyer syndrome). The gene needs to express, to create maleness. For the first 5-7 weeks, only the mother's X (female) chromosome expresses. Anyone (including Matt and Ben) arguing life begins at fertilization, is arguing we're all female (or, at minimum, all sexless), which makes them trans.
They ignore the fact that there are also trans men out there, beating birth certificate certified males, in sports. Lia Thomas was beaten by a trans man, Iszac Henig, before Henig transitioned. The two effectively swapped leagues. Would anyone have cared, if Henig hadn't transitioned, and continued beating women? Thomas has broken no national or international records. She simply swam during some slow years in the women's division, in her categories. Kate Douglass broke 18 national records, but people preferred to blather on endlessly about Lia. Those people are the ones detracting from the accomplishments of a birth certificate certified female, by focusing on nonsense.
The makers of the movie admittedly refused to go through the transitioning process that would actually allow them to qualify as women. It's a completely dishonest movie. Nobody is transitioning, just to beat women. Hardly anyone is doing it. So, what's your big issue with it?
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@gnubbiersh647 Why ignore the fact that there are also trans men out there, beating birth certificate certified males, in sports? Lia Thomas was beaten by a trans man, Iszac Henig, before Henig transitioned. The two effectively swapped leagues. Would anyone have cared, if Henig hadn't transitioned, and continued beating women? Thomas has broken no national or international records. She simply swam during some slow years in the women's division, in her categories. Meanwhile, Kate Douglass broke 18 national records, has won 11 world golds, but people preferred to prattling on endlessly about Lia. It's people like Matt, detracting from the accomplishments of birth certificate certified females, by focusing on nonsense.
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@gnubbiersh647 Why ignore the fact that there are also trans men out there, beating birth certificate certified males, in sports? Lia Thomas was beaten by a trans man, Iszac Henig, before Henig transitioned. The two effectively swapped leagues. Would anyone have cared, if Henig hadn't transitioned, and continued winning against women? Thomas has broken no national or international records. She simply swam during some slow years in the women's division, in her categories. Meanwhile, Kate Douglass broke 18 national records, won 11 world golds, but people preferred to go on endlessly about Lia. It's people like Matt, detracting from the accomplishments of birth certificate certified females, by focusing on nonsense.
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@gnubbiersh647 And then you failed to address the fact that Matt's favorite example is largely irrelevant ... 32nd in the 2021-22 NCAA rankings. And yet, Matt still kept ranting about her, even over a year after she was done competing. Likely still is. So, I've covered that he's contradictory ("I don't care", but I'll do constant videos, interviews, posts, and even a movie on the topic), that he's a concern troll, that he's a liar (you can't just dress up and compete in women's sports on a whim), and that he rants about largely irrelevant nonsense. My take is basically that ... that contradictory, dishonest, hypocrites, are making a big todo over nothing. Have you actually made a point about anything, yourself, Mr Contradictory, who doesn't want to limit the conversation, but wants to limit the conversation? Oh, yes ... that there are men's and women's categories. How observant.
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@gnubbiersh647 And then you failed to address the fact that Matt's favorite example is largely irrelevant ... 32nd in the 2021-22 NCAA rankings. And yet, Matt still kept ranting about her, even over a year after she was done competing. Likely still is. So, I've covered that he's contradictory ("I don't care", but I'll do constant videos, interviews, posts, and even a movie on the topic), that he's a concern troll, that he's a liar (you can't just dress up and compete in women's sports on a whim), and that he rants about largely irrelevant nonsense. And yet, you keep saying I'm the one having a limited conversation. Meanwhile, you've provided zero actual rebuttals, to any of those, and have just whined about me talking about them.
My take is basically that ... that contradictory, dishonest, hypocrites, are making a big todo over nothing. Have you actually made a point about anything, yourself, Mr Contradictory, who doesn't want to limit the conversation, but wants to limit the conversation? Oh, yes ... that there are both men's and women's categories. How observant. And that there's a reason. There's also a reason why you actually have to begin the transition process, to compete as a woman.
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Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of that happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess.
It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport.
Well, that's because you're not very bright. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports.
You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!"
That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records.
How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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@gnubbiersh647 Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of that happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess.
It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport.
Well, that's because you're a little slow. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports.
You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!"
That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records.
How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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@gnubbiersh647 Take 3 ... @gnubbiersh647 Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess.
It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport.
Well, that's because you're working with one brain cell. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports.
You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!"
That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records.
How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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@gnubbiersh647 Take 4 ... @gnubbiersh647 Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess.
It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport.
Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, grow breasts, gain ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports.
You: "Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and to a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!"
That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records.
How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero trans Olympic medalists in 20 years? From any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case, so didn't talk about? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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@gnubbiersh647 Take 5 ... @gnubbiersh647 Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess.
It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport.
Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, go through the physical changes, ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports.
"Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!"
That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records.
How many examples would you like to talk about, from the zero individual trans Olympic medalists in the 20 years they've been allowed? Or, from any of the other trans athletes, that even the transphobes didn't think helped their case? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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@gnubbiersh647 Yes, people doing things wrong don't tend to tell, and yet many still manage to be exposed. Weird, that you've never heard of such a thing happening. There are some on the news every day. None taking hormones just to win a trophy, I guess.
It's a fine argument, since they had much more to gain, than an athlete in some low earnings sport.
Well, that's because you're working with the single processor. The point is that the likelihood someone would take hormones, go through the physical changes, ED, etc., just to win a trophy, is pretty low. Meaning, what we're talking about is trans women, who genuinely want to be women, who just happen to play a sport, and who will remain a woman long after they're done competing. A tiny minority of a tiny minority. Not some massive wave of men in wigs, that are coming to take over women's sports.
"Waaaah, waaaah, I came to a video about Matt Walsh, and a thread about Lady Ballers, and someone has the gaul to mention them!!! Waaaah! Waaaah!"
That would be one example more than you, correct? And, it's a fine example. The entire point was to pick the one all the transphobes have been going on about. Their "strongest" example. She happened to win in a slow year. She wouldn't have won a couple years earlier. She would have been absolutely annihilated, by 9 seconds, a few years before that. She broke no NCAA, national, or international records.
How many other examples would you like to talk about, from the zero individual trans Olympic medalists in the 20 years they've been allowed? Or, from any of the other trans athletes, that haven't won anything? You've provided zero examples of what we're supposed to be so terrified of, and zero examples anyone doing it simply to game the system.
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@gnubbiersh647 Rofl! You need a source for people getting caught doing bad things, they were trying to hide? Like say getting caught paying off a porn star? Or the over 250 suspensions for performance enhancing drugs, since 2001, in the NFL alone? Just how dim are you, exactly?
What are you talking about? That would be the ultimate proof for them. It would make them a crap ton of money, and destroy trans athletes in sports, just like they want, if they could actually beat high end women athletes after a year of HRT. I didn't watch it either. What does Ben's admission have to do with the movie plot? Just how dim are you?
Learn to read.
Examples of there being an actual problem, dim one. Someone who has gone through at least a year of HRT isn't the same as a man who hasn't, so you can't just compare men to women. Compare trans women to women, and provide some examples of this horrible situation.
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@gnubbiersh647 You need a source for people getting caught doing bad things, they were trying to hide? Like say getting caught paying off Stormy? Or the over 250 suspensions for performance enhancing drugs, since 2001, in the NFL alone? Just how slow is that single processor of yours?
What are you talking about? That would be the ultimate proof for them. It would make them a ton of money, and destroy trans athletes in sports, just like they want ... if they could actually beat high end women athletes after a year of HRT, that is. I didn't watch it either. What does Ben's admission in an interview have to do with needing to watch the movie? A very slow processor. But, do keep whining.
Learn to read.
Examples of there being an actual problem, slow one. Someone who has gone through at least a year of HRT isn't the same as a man who hasn't, so you can't just compare men to women. Compare trans women to women, and provide some examples of this horrible situation.
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@kpcook305 Private ownership over the means of production. The workers are left with barely enough to live on, while the owner gets all the surplus, from which they personally profit to fund their lavish lifestyle. A hierarchy of power, with the workers on the bottom. Etc.
A large privately owned company is even modeled the same way. It has an owner (monarch), who owns all the company's property and everything it produces. The company can be inherited. The owner has their upper management (nobles) and lower management (sheriffs, rent/tax collectors, etc.), who all benefit from the surplus goods produced by the workers. The actual workers get paid as little as possible (whether they're paid in money or goods is irrelevant). An absolute monarchy goes even further, like the more exploitative businesses that ran their own company towns. So, they also owned, and made profits from, the property the workers lived on, and made profits from the shops the workers shopped at.
The main difference is that most businesses have an authority above them, which wouldn't be the case in an anarcho environment. The company owners could then claim ownership of whatever they wanted, and use their profits to fund private armies to enforce those claims, and enforce whatever rules (laws) they want for their private property.
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@Ghastlyteaparty I think you are very much underestimating just how organized they were. Maybe look into things like the Domesday Book, pipe rolls, close rolls, patent rolls, Inquisitions post mortem, etc. Like the owner of a large private company, a monarch did delegate. They had their upper management (nobles) who, in turn, had their own lower management (sheriffs, tax collectors, game wardens, etc.). The monarch kept very very close track of who was running their lands for them, the upper management. Each level of the hierarchy only had to keep track of the level just below them, so the monarch didn't have to keep track of the peasantry. Each level would keep track of the level below, and it would be the lowest level of local Lord, or their henchmen, who would know all the peasants under their charge.
The nobles basically leased the land, from the monarch, for X amount per year. They, in turn, assigned the lower management to extract that amount from the peasantry, plus whatever profits they wanted for themselves. Serfs were not living some lovely communal life, with all kinds of time off. They were basically indentured servants, tied to the land, and each had their own individual annual debts to pay. The ownership hierarchy made profits from the labor of the masses. They made profits off of sales by the much smaller merchant class in their lands. They made profits off of people traveling through their lands (tolls). Seeing as they were also the justice system, they also made profits from fining people. The ownership hierarchy had their hands in everything, and the working masses owned nothing.
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@nish Nope.
India dowry deaths per year:
2020 6,966
2019 7,141
2018 7,167
2017 7,466
2016 7,621
2015 7,634
2014 8,455
2013 8,083
2012 8,233
2011 8,618
2010 8,391
2005 6,787
Women Peace and Security Index:
Saudi 102/170
India 148/170
UNICEF India: "Estimates suggest that each year, at least 1.5 million girls under 18 get married in India, which makes it home to the largest number of child brides in the world - accounting for a third of the global total."
United Nations: "India accounts for 45.8 million of the world's 142.6 million "missing females" over the past 50 years, a report by the United Nations said on Tuesday, noting that the country along with China form the majority of such women globally."
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YouTube has absoluyely nothing to do with first amendment rights, unless the government is interfering. You clearly have no clue what the first amendment says.
Update: Russia isn't communist anymore. It hasn't been for a long time. There's nothing "red" about it, except their flag. They're now another borderline fascist country ... exactly what leftists should be against.
Dore does not support M4A. He peddled Tulsi over Bernie, for months. Then, he flipped and starting slandering progressives that have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime, solely because they didn't jump onboard some pointless performance art vote. Then, after making out like a disagreement over that single pointless secondary tactic was enough to slander other progressives as "fakes", "frauds", "sellouts", etc. ... making out like that one disagreement was enough to write them off as no longer allies ... he flipped again, and peddled some "extreme free market" nutbars, that want to start a civil war, and don't agree on much of anything, including not agreeing with M4A, as potential allies. He slandered AOC and Bernie some more, claiming they had abandoned M4A, at the exact time they were on the ground campaigning for Nina Turner, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A advocate to congress ... one that Dore publicly abandoned, he abandoned adding another M4A yes vote to congress. Adding enough yes votes to congress is actually the very thing that moves you closer to being able to pass the bill. Getting enough yes votes is the only possible way to pass a bill. Plus, he promotes the third party route that hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence.
Better on foreign issues? Another reminder that he promoted Tulsi, who has been saying she's a "hawk" on the war on terrorism, at least since 2016. Pretty much every US intervention, since 9/11, has used the war on terrorism as grounds. He, and Mate, blathered for what seems like forever over an irrelevant report that had absolutely nothing to do with anyone's decision to bomb Syria. It was a no fault investigation, it didn't start until after the US, and others, had already bombed Syria, and the final report didn't come out until almost a year after the fact. Why weren't they constantly attacking, by name, the president who actually did the bombing, Trump? Actually, I don't recall Jimmy complaining about Trump dropping more bombs than Obama, for 4 years. Weird. Jimmy also whined about Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan, along with all the other right wing media, crying about how a war ended instead of praising the fact that it had ended.
The thing about a grifter is that they claim to be selling you one thing, when they're actually selling you another. Dore sells himself as being for M4A, but the directions he actually tells people to go won't get anyone M4A in the next century, and possibly even head you in the opposite direction (promoting letting Republicans win, who want to go in the completely opposite direction than M4A). He claims to be anti-war, but hasn't much attacked the biggest warmonger in the last 4 years, supports a self described "hawk", and whines when a war ends.
Now, he's claiming he's pro vax, but keeps peddling covid and vaccine information. There are, at least, two videos by others describing his dishonesty. Plus, he was just dishonest in two more covid videos. He's actively trying to kill people for money, now.
He has also claimed to be for free speech, but he censors his own guests, he goes on white nationalist tv just to agree with right wing framing about poor president Trump being banned, he doesn't point out that there's no such thing as free speech rights on someone else's private property and that, if you actually want free speech rights, you should push for public ownership.
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@DC-js3ro Trump has gushed over Israel, even more than Biden. Recognized Jerusalem as their capital. Recognized their illegal annexation of the Golan Heights. His "peace deal" totally ignored Palestinians, and simply wants to normalize the unending colonization and ethnic cleansing, with Arab countries. He has said he wants to have a pledge of allegiance to Israel to get in the country. He has said he wants to reinstate and expand his Muslim ban. Republicans are talking about trying to deport Palestine supporters who weren't born in the US, like Ilhan. Republicans want to let Russia do to Ukraine what Israel is doing to Palestine. The only people, in congress, speaking out against what's happening, are Democrats. They're having a tough enough time already, getting people to listen. A Republican president and congress won't even give them the time of day. They make laws allowing people to run over protesters, and call protesters "terrorists". Plus, there's all the other domestic policies they would screw up. Those are the only truly viable options. Even if some third party presidential candidate magically won, there's so much support for Israel in congress that they could send as much aid to Israel as they want, and override any presidential veto.
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Yer Ma But Obamacare is just a band aid. If he could have pulled off universal healthcare, and caught the US up with the rest of the developed world, maybe.
FDR gave US workers protections, like wage floors and time ceilings, that still exist today. He gave the elderly social security, that still exists today. He passed Glass-Steagell, the repeal of which many think led to the great recession. He had an absolutely massive infrastructure program, for the time. The creation of the UN. And more. Sure, he wasn't perfect, but what he accomplished during his presidency was extraordinary.
Obama is a great orator, but even there he's ranked below JFK and FDR (with his weekly fireside chats). JFK was a great speaker, but he didn't accomplish nearly as much as FDR. He did push to put man on the moon, though (how much of benefit to society that was, maybe some scientific advancements, but it was quite the feat). He would have been the one signing the Civil Rights Act, if he hadn't been shot. He dealt with the Cuban missile crisis, which could have turned into a global disaster. Whether Obama is better than JFK might depend on how much you value putting a man on the moon, and how much credit you give JFK for the Civil Rights Act. Obama probably could have accomplished a lot more, but his, and the DNC's, biggest failure was not filling Ted Kennedy's Senate seat with another Democrat.
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Ze'ev Jabotinsky outright compared the colonialist Zionsim, which he supported, to the colonization of the Americas. They knew what they would do to the natives, all along.
"Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies."
Followers of Ze'ev formed the Irgun and Lehi terrorist groups. The leaders of those two terrorist groups formed Likud, and were each elected as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes".
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@goshdang2114 What the ...? Slavery, and all kinds of shitty stuff, deserving of zero respect, lasted thousands of years. That's a dumb reason to show something respect.
It's largely social, because women tend to have less money than men, and yet still seek help more. And that "social" aspect is traditional standards of masculinity. It's all well and good if you want to redefine masculinity, but then you're basically admitting the previous definition was bad. But, then Peterson is telling modern men that women would be happier at home, having babies, filling their heads with the same old misogynistic bullshit that's not going to fly with most modern women. Telling them workplace sexual harassment is basically the woman's fault, for wearing makeup and high heels ... victim blaming. Etc. Giving them this shit view about women, and then basically blaming women for not picking them. Or, blaming the pill for women picking less masculine men. What's a less masculine man, if blubbering in interviews is masculine? He's incoherent.
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@goshdang2114 Yes, they're traditional. As far back as the Civil War, there were American doctors writing about those suffering "nostalgia" (PTSD), claiming it affected only those of weak minds, and that public ridicule was the cure. During WWI, many men suffering "shell shock" (PTSD) were tossed back on the front lines within days. They aren't only hurting men now. Those norms have always hurt men. Suicide spiked during the Great Depression, when many men had a hard time providing for their families, or lost everything they had. With society changing, and women becoming more independent, there are now more ways men can lose everything, or never get what they actually want. They need help adapting to the modern world, help evolving with the times, not "advice" from some nimrod stuck in the 1950s, who thinks the changes in the 60s were awful.
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Anti-Nazi didn't equate to anti-German, dumb dumb. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@michaelarmijo4112 She helped add a few more progressive yes votes to congress, which is what actually moves you closer to being able to pass a progressive bill. She was just trying again, with Nina Turner. That, alone, is doing something.
Wait ... do you think going the third party route, which hasn't won the most popular third party a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence ... that puts you on the sidelines, with zero seats, zero votes, zero bills, zero amendments, zero committee time, zero floor time, etc. ... counts as doing something? Rofl!
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@michaelarmijo4112 You didn't, in fact, ask anything, dimwit. Questions have question marks at the end of them.
You're the one who needs to research how the party speaker candidate is picked. Even the entire progressive caucus isn't enough votes to pick a different party speaker candidate, which is picked by simple majority of the Dem caucus.
No, I'm talking to a complete and utter moron.
The Hill's Rising had to do a retraction, when they claimed AOC voted for it. Their correction said she voted no. When AOC criticized some other members of congress for voting for it, they could have simply said "same to you", if she had voted for it, but they didn't ... indicating she hadn't. AOC's corporate Dem primary opponent, ran attack ads against her for voting against it. There's zero evidence she voted for it.
Bernie has never hid the fact that he has always caucused with the Democrats. Bernie has never hid that he's a harm reductionist. He always said he'd support whoever won the Democratic party primary. If you expected him to do otherwise, then you were never listening to what he was saying, and are a complete and utter moron.
Especially when the opponent was the incompetent fascist, Trump, why would you be upset that he encouraged voting against Trump ... unless you're a Trump supporter, of course?
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@stretch2success Look again. Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@egobrain6826 If he knows full well that the hospitalization rates are based on total population ... because he 100% totally read the article, and he 100% isn't a lying grifter, or a moron ... then the number he would be comparing is the 800k deaths in a 330m total population, which is a population mortality rate of 0.24%. There's nothing incompatible with a 0.24% population mortality rate a 0.9% population hospitalization rate. It means about a quarter of those hospitalized die.
The hospitalization rate for those with covid has been estimated up to 5%. Nothing incompatible with that and the current US case fatality rate of 1.5%, or the covid infection fatality rate, which has been estimated at about 1% all along. The infection fatality rate would suggest that 800k deaths means that there have actually been about 80m infected Americans (many of those missed are probably because the US testing rate - tests per confirmed case - has been pathetically low).
A 0.9% hospitalization rate for the total population, is about 3m hospitalizations, which is a 3.75% hospitalization rate based on total estimated infected, and a 5.63% hospitalization rate based on confirmed cases. The 1% infection fatality rate is close to a quarter of the 3.75% infection hospitalization rate. The 1.5% case fatality rate is close to a quarter of the 5.63% case hospitalization rate.
All the numbers are quite compatible. If anything, Dore's Gallup numbers help confirm all the others are fairly accurate. He's just stupid, or dishonest, as are you.
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@TheRedStateBlue Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "your" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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You don't want a third party, unless Republicans also have a major split. That's just a recipe for decades, or more, of Republican rule. Conservatives, in Canada, shouldn't win anywhere outside of 2 provinces. But, they do, with only 34-40% of the vote, due to Liberal and NDP (or BQ in Quebec) vote splitting. It would be even worse, in the US, because Republicans get 43-48% of the vote.
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@barbaraklein3944 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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Also, his argument about being treated "equally" is sometimes exactly what systemic racism is. For example, NYC was stopping and frisking blacks and whites in equal numbers. That means that they were actually stopping and frisking blacks at almost double the rate of whites. The vast majority of charges were for marijuana possession, something blacks and whites do equally. That means that blacks were being charged at almost double the rate of whites, for the same crime. And, that is in a 3 strike state. So, the system was stopping and frisking, charging, and incarcerating, blacks at almost double the rate of whites, for the same crime. The system is stripping them of voter rights, at double the rate. The system might be breaking up families, destroying futures, etc., at double the rate.
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@madmax041 Fuck moron. I didn't say it was taken out of their income like an income tax, you stupid shit. You have severe reading comprehension problems. It is measured against income, though, to get a percentage, dumbass.
$2 on a $20 movie night spend, is a higher percentage of someone who makes $20k a year's income, compared to someone who makes $200k. That's why consumption taxes are considered regressive, period. They charge the poorest and the richest the same thing. Exempting both rich and poor people's staples doesn't change that it's regressive, it just makes it less so, by not having a regressive tax on necessities, but it's still on everything else.
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@RecMike Bullshit.
The civil rights act was preceded by years of protests. The bill had majority support. The bill was introduced late in the session and a minority filibustered until the end of session. The bill was immediately reintroduced the next session, they filibustered about 50 more days, and then the majority passed it. It didn't fail a vote.
Women's suffrage was also preceded by years of protests and activism. Multiple states had already given women voting rights. The first vote was not purely for show, but to find out how everyone would vote. The parties weren't as partisan as they are now. It was brought up for a vote by the majority who supported it, not some minority of congress threatening to paralyze the house if it wasn't. It also got a majority of the vote but, being a constitutional amendment, it needed a super majority, which it didn't get. The bill was literally held back the next session, because they didn't think they had enough votes, and saw absolutely no reason to have a purely performance art vote. They thought they had enough votes the next session, but it failed by 2 votes. It passed the following session.
And, in neither of those cases did the movements constantly attack and slander its biggest congressional supporters. Those examples are totally false equivalencies. Dore knobs have endless false equivalencies, bullshit strawmen, and slander.
The current parties are quite partisan. You know absolutely no Republicans will vote for M4A. And, most of corporate Dems have also openly campaigned against it, and refuse to cosponsor the bill. There's no big mystery as to how everyone will vote. No chance it might pass. You've got a list of members who won't cosponsor the bills. Convert or replace them. Where were the extra 100+ viable progressive candidates Dore has laying around, that he could have run in the election that just happened? You've also got a list of committee members, who are currently sitting on the bill (Pelosi has already reintroduced the bill to congress ... she introduced it to congress last session, as well, where it died in those committees). Pressure and protest them, until they take up the bill, instead of slandering and protesting M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. Do something constructive instead of destructive.
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So you're not manufacturing consent for going third party, by portraying progressives who just increased the M4A yes vote count in congress, as evil doers, "fakes", "shills", "sellouts", or whatnot? You haven't manufactured consent for an idea, by misinforming people about potential risks, by slandering those who do mention potential risks, by overexaggerating support, overexaggerating benefits, etc.?
You've both convinced people to be impatient, and to take a third party path that likely won't even win a seat in congress in the next 50 years (the Libertarian party turns 50 in a couple years), let alone get you M4A anytime soon. You've convinced people that progressive politicians doing their thing to increase the M4A yes vote count is considered doing nothing, but that your idea to increase the M4A yes vote count is considered doing something. You've convinced people that spreading progressive ideas, including M4A, on social media platforms a ton larger than yours doesn't count as fighting, but you spreading your ideas on your much smaller platform counts as you fighting.
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@treeman5274 Is California controlled by progressive Democrats, or are you pretending all Democrats are samesies? If the later, then it seems like you have the uninformed opinion. I wouldn't suggest that any corporate Dems need to be replaced, if I expected them to pass M4A. If you think I've said corporate Dems don't need replacing, then you have serious reading comprehension problems. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. If you think the third party route is the quickest route to getting M4A, then you're clearly delusional. The 30 year old broader progressive caucus, with M4A on their platform, is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The 4 year old Justice Dems have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems. AOC has been at it 2 years and helped replace a few more corporate Dems. The M4A bill has the most cosponsors it has ever had. Aaaannnd ... Dore and his knobs want to start from scratch with zero seats, zero bills submitted, zero amendments added, and zero votes on even a single bill. Such genius level political moves are hard to comprehend.
Did Pelosi get AOC to use her platform and PAC to back 20 other pro-M4A progressives, did she get AOC to back Nina Turner? If so, maybe Pelosi isn't so bad. If not, then maybe making out like AOC is in her pocket is complete bullshit.
Ah, so "real" progressives don't want to fund the Global Fund to fight AIDS, TB, and Malaria, that has helped save an estimated 38m lives. Got it.
Didn't AOC, Omar, Khanna, and other Dems, join Rand Paul, and other Reps, in urging Dumpty to follow through with his pledge to pull out of Syria and Afghanistan? Biden finally pulled out of Afghanistan, and Dore was bitching about it.
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@abelgonzalez158 Yeah, I just said that, vote or no vote, replacing corporate Dems, which she just helped do, is still the main thing that needs doing. The bill will be reintroduced in the next session, and you'll get a new list of people who won't sign onto it, during a pandemic, already. Almost 100 more people need replacing in the house alone. Finding 100 new pro-M4A candidates to run, and backing them, is more important than trying to ferret out a few fakes. All it took was one reporter's question to get Biden on the public record saying he'd veto M4A. It didn't take threatening to paralyze the house, and possibly having to go through with that.
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@abelgonzalez158 That's what I said, threaten to paralyze the house for a vote. No, that wouldn't necessarily lose her the speakership. It would go back to the Dem caucus, where corporate Dems have the majority, and progressives have no power to block the majority, and they can keep picking her over and over and over, while letting you paralyze the house over and over and over, and then blame you for no new covid relief, no minimum wage increase, etc., to help ease people's suffering during a pandemic ... you know they, and the corporate media, would propagandize the shit out of it, making progressives look bad in many people's eyes.
Dore and Kyle have even argued Pelosi would rather work with Republicans than progressives and that she's the queen of backroom deals. She could just cut a backroom deal with Republicans, in exchange for enough of them to say home, or abstain, to lower the threshold needed to win.
It isn't risk free and the only possible outcomes pluses.
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@OtherBarak
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@ynemey1243 No. You're pulling crap out of your ass. What do you mean my problem? This was Dore's argument, and he absolutely did not argue Trump was better at anything, as part of it. He argued Trump was much worse than Clinton and, because he was, that was supposed to cause a massive progressive backlash. Dore vastly overestimated the benefits, claiming a Trump presidency would lead to progressives "for sure" taking the house (wrong) and senate (wrong), in 2018, and the presidency (wrong), in 2020. He vastly underestimated the risks, claiming even Republicans would join the left to vote against a Trump presidency (wrong) rather than follow him into outright fascism (wrong), and that Trump filling multiple scotus seats was as likely as the moon falling into Lake Michigan (wrong). He was wrong about it all. He lives in a delusional fantasy world.
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@ynemey1243 He didn't make a video supporting Nina in the 6 months leading to the election, he and his wife let everyone know they had stopped donating to Nina, and he encouraged people to never vote for someone running as a Democrat ever again. How the hell does that not equate to abandoning her?
Justice Democrats have replaced about a dozen corporate Dems with progressives. That increases the number of M4A yes votes in congress. AOC helped add a few more M4A yes votes to congress and helped remove a few more corporate Dems. Getting enough yes votes in congress is the only possible way to ever pass the bill. And, if you were wondering where AOC was on M4A march day, she was campaigning for Nina, promoting M4A, and trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. The M4A marchers could have gone to Nina rallies, to also support adding another M4A yes vote to congress, but they also abandoned her. And then Dore slandered AOC, saying she and Bernie had abandoned M4A. Bernie also campaigned for Nina, trying to add another M4A yes vote to congress. It's just a fact that they've all done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime. It's just a fact that he slanders them.
It's simple math, that a third party is a losing strategy, and would benefit Republican most. Let's say you got everyone currently in the progressive caucus to run for your progressive third party and they managed to win the same number of seats. That'd be 94 seats in the house and 1 (Bernie) seat in the senate. Trump would have won the presidency, with Dem and progressive votes split between Biden and Bernie in the general instead of the primary. Republicans would control the senate with Pence as the tie breaker. In the house, Republicans would hold a plurality and only need a handful of the most conservative Dems to work with them to pass whatever they wanted and completely ignore the progressive third party. Even a successful progressive third party would benefit Republicans most. It's just math. And, the actual reality is that the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. You could be talking a century to even win one seat. It's a delusional fantasy. Progressives would gain more power by simply getting the 15 more seats the progressive caucus needs to become the majority of house Dems, than they would getting 100 seats as a third party.
I don't think you know what a "strawman" is.
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@monicack523 Ironic. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@skontheroad Fact is, Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@Unfamous_Buddha Where am I losing you? Tea party pressure also can from giant corporate donors, pushing the party further right. Are corporate Dems' corporate donors pressuring them to be more progressive? No. I'm not talking about amounts. I'm talking about what their donors are pressuring them to do. The Tea Party had become the majority of the Republican caucus by the time they had another party speaker vote. It wasn't some tiny minority taking over the party. And, again, if old school Republicans really wanted to get around the tea partiers, all they had to do was work with democrats to pass bills without needing tea party votes.
I get it. You morons don't actually care that Democrats are in danger of losing the house in 2022. You'd prefer to see progressives in a minority party, and see Republicans become the majority.
Learn some basic math. It is impossible to pass a bill without Manchin, because there are zero extra votes to the left of the party, if you lose his vote. On the other end, there is the entire Republican party to try and get extra votes from, if you lose a progressive vote. It is possible to pass bills without the squad by moving a bill to the right and picking up Republican votes. The squad refusing to sign bills could actually push legislation to the right. Unlike the old school Republicans, corporate Dems are willing to work with Republicans, as the likes of Manchin keeps saying.
The $15 got a vote. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also got a senate vote. Wasn't just getting a vote on an important progressive policy supposed to be a big deal? Wasn't getting a list of no voters on an important progressive policy supposed to be a big deal? Apparently not. Dore knobs are pathetic useless hypocrites and have proved that ftv was a sham. Instead of going after the no voters, they just keep bitching about those who voted for it.
Pelosi introduced the M4A bill last session. It died in committees, where 90% of bills die. She has already reintroduced the bill this session. It's sitting in committees. Instead of slandering and bitching about people who have done more for M4A in a few years than Dore has in his entire lifetime, why not try pressuring committee members to take up the bill?
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@henrywestbrook9773 Yeah, douchebags, like Bezos (claimed an $80k income from Amazon), Zuckerberg ($1 income from Meta), and Musk ($0 income from Tesla), whose "incomes" are almost entirely stocks and options, don't help pay for their employees' Medicare, unemployment, SSI, infrastructure that benefits them more than us, etc. They're the actual Welfare Kings.
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Jack Schitt Harris doesn't even grasp that mutual deterrence is based on mutually assured destruction. Because he doesn't, he's the psycho in his "thought" experiment. He makes out like he can take out the first country, with no return fire, and only have to deal with other countries getting mad about it after the fact. The reality of mutual deterrence is that, as soon as you send your missiles towards them, they send their missiles towards you. Harris is the suicidal one.
He also conflates "Muslim" into "Islamist" into "Jihadist", opening by saying we have to worry about all Muslims. Pakistan has nukes. They seem to grasp mutual deterrence just fine, and aren't anywhere close to being as psychotic as Harris, himself. He doesn't even seem to grasp Jihadists. Although they may influence some individuals to make suicide attacks, they're not suicidal, en mass. They have goals that require the majority to remain alive. The same goes for non-Muslim extremists, like the Tamil Tigers, who invented suicide vests. The end goal requires most of them be alive.
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@infinitemonkey917 So, let's say Person A wants the freedom to spout hateful, racist, bigoted speech, but is opposed to "unpatriotic", anti-capitalist, anti-religious speech. And, Person B wants the freedom to criticize their nation, capitalism, and religions, but is opposed to hateful, racist, bigoted speech.
Basically totally opposite goals. But, just because they both oppose some kind of speech, you want to say "Samesies!"?
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Well, for one, Atheists are still only about 2% of the global population, so I'm not sure it's true that "most people" use Smith's definitions. Most people I run into still seem to consider an Agnostic as a "fence sitter", so to speak, middle position. Most modern Atheists maybe. Secondly, it is inaccurate to say a definition is inaccurate. It may have been used on the wrong people, but a definition, on its own, is not innacurate. If a label doesn't fit, don't wear it, then have to redefine it.
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@thomasjr8318 They've been going on about those grants, for a year, including Dumpty. Nobody has argued there weren't grants. Some 10% went to Wuhan to gather and analyze samples. The bulk of the research (part of the larger USAID Predict research program, which includes researchers from the Smithsonian and other US institutions and companies, which has received some $6b in research grants, who all work with on the ground scientific groups in countries all over the world, that are fully approved by the State Department first) is done inside the US. Big woop, there's a money trail, fully approved by congress (if they actually read what funding is being spent on), with full participation from other government departments, fully renewed under Trump, yada, yada, yada ...
So? Is there any actual evidence of a lab leak? Who gives a crap about a money trail leading to nothing?
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FreePalestineFromPalestinians
Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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Knowledge is a proveable truth. No matter what you, or I, believe, it's not actual knowledge, unless it's proven truth. There's nothing subjective about it. Something is, or isn't true. Some question whether anything is truly knowable.
I actually gave not thought, as to what you were personally. Me, I'm an Agnostic. A-theists want me to conform and be a Weak Explicit Agnostic A-theist Weak, borderline Apethetic, Agnostic. And, they want Tyson to conform, as well.
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Aaron Mate ... is that the guy who claims 2 "inspectors" (one wasn't even an actual inspector, and the other never left home base because he didn't finish training), who were part of a single investigation at a single site, but who weren't involved in the last 7 months of the investigation, debunk dozens of inspectors, hundreds of accounts of Syrian chemical weapons use, hundreds of victim witnesses, dozens of healthcare worker witnesses, multiple NGO witnesses, legal human rights groups investigating on behalf of victims, and independent investigations, since 2013? The guy whose Syrian "scandal" article could have been written by anyone anywhere in the world, with Wikipedia and a penchant for leaving out the bits that don't support your narrative?
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Truthfully? 😂
In the US, what Democrat policies would move the US left of Denmark (real world centrism)? In the UK? In what other Western countries?
Doesn't matter what Venezuela's government called itself, Venezuela's economy was something like 75% privately owned and operated, when the economy collapsed. It collapsed because they were too dependent on one product, oil, and the price of oil dropped in 2015. Even Saudi (a 100% privately owned and operated nation) had some trouble, but they had more savings to weather through. Nationalizing one resource isn't all out socialism.
Tiny Cuba has managed to survive decades of US meddling and sanctions.
Having much more centrist, more evenly mixed, economies has made Nordic countries the happiest places on the planet.
Capitalism has failed repeatedly, especially all out capitalism, and authoritarian capitalism (fascism, the capitalist equivalent to authoritarian attempts at socialism). Just because idiots kept going back to it, after a fail, doesn't mean it was successful.
6 million people per year are dying of starvation, alone, in capitalist countries. Multiply that by the 75 year run of the USSR and that's some 480m people. That's not even counting capitalist colonialism's genocides, mass starvations (15m in British India), wars, etc.
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Part of the problem, here, is that ... even though BLM may get more support from non-black "leftists", on the ground and in congress ... BLM itself doesn't necessarily equate to a "leftist" movement. Many black voters voted Biden over Bernie.
Plus, there is plenty of evidence that black Americans, on average, are charged more often, indicted more often, and given harsher sentences, for the same crimes. Poor white criminals can still benefit from white privilege. There could very well be black store owners being given harsher treatment, for the same thing his mom did, which would mean she still benefited from white privilege.
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Since this video ... Jimmy has put out a video dishonestly comparing hospitalization and death rates, based on completely different math (total population hospitalization vs case fatality rate), lying that covid deaths are being "WILDLY inflated". He just put out another video downplaying covid deaths, by not counting people with comorbidities, just like Trumpists were doing in 2020. Someone else put out a video, showing how Jimmy lied about an article on covid and vaccines, with regard to children. Shaun barely scratched the surface about Jimmy's tinnitus video, where he also lies that you'd be mandated to get the J&J vaccine, and where he and Max also lie about myocarditis and the UK healthcare system (a completely socialized system, that a "real" leftist shouldn't defame). Dore and Glenn have also signed on with far right Rumble, to get themselves some of that Peter Thiel CIA money.
Dore is almost completely out of the closet, at this point.
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@jovanleon7 That qualifies as a totally different test, and doesn't make your current supposed test verifiable. You're simply taking the word of someone who, by all appearances, is a scammer and trafficker, according to the local FOX station themselves.
Ever consider that nobody is taking her to court, because there's no actual evidence that her parents had an 8th child, that they didn't claim at the refugee camp, that didn't come to the US along with their documented 7 kids, and was instead sent to the UK for some odd reason ... because there's no actual motive to fake a marriage, since siblings can sponsor each other already ... because there's no actual evidence the guy even wanted US citizenship, since he up and went back to the UK?
No, they aren't identical, qbert. They're only similar, just like the example I gave.
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I love Chomsky, but Germany had numerous parties, at the time. You could blame the Centre Party for not forming a coalition, or the German National People's Party, or the Bavarian People's Party, etc. Numerous combinations of parties could have formed a coalition with more seats than the Nazis. You could also blame the Social Democrat Party, itself, for breaking with its roots, leading to members breaking off and forming the Communist Party, in the first place. "Social democrat" and "democratic socialist" meant the same thing, originally. But, even though the Social Democrat Party didn't drop Marxism from their platform until the 50s, they started moving towards the right during WWI. During WWI, they tossed out any anti-war members of the party, which led to a split and two Social Democrat parties, MSPD and USPD. Then came the German Revolution and the overthrow of the monarchists. The SPD leadership sided with centrists, conservatives, and former Imperial Officers in the military, against workers wanting production nationalized and overseen by direct democracy ... exactly what "social democrat" was supposed to be, at the time ... and a democratic military, with officers elected by their men. SPD betrayed their base, just like Democrats did, long ago. You can't do that, and keep expecting those you're betraying to blindly follow.
The clearest blame, is that it was the fault of all the morons or assholes, who actually voted for the Nazis. Seriously, you're still going to have a country with a large population of fascist morons and assholes. Why? And how do you get rid of them, rather than continuously just choosing a lesser of two evils to try and win a few more seats than them for a few years?
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@kyoakland 2016: Dore promotes Trump (running on tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion) as the better option to Clinton (running on adding 40m older Americans to Medicare expansion).
2020 primaries: Dore promotes Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A).
2020 general: Dore runs a constant attack add campaign against Trump's (still trying to boot 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, plus having a hand in killing hundreds of thousands of Americans) only remaining viable opponent, Biden (running on a public option and Medicare expansion).
2021: Dore is the one true champion of healthcare, and anyone who doesn't do as he says is a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", etc., including progressives who have done more for M4A in a few years than he has in his entire lifetime. He promotes a nearly nonexistent third party, when even the most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence, and even if you got a third party popular enough to split off every progressive vote, that would just lead to Republican rule for decades to come. Promotes making friends with far right Boogaloos, who will be shooting leftists once they start the civil war they want (Jimmy is like the dipshit "leftists" who got themselves killed off on The Night of the Long Knives.). Repeatedly goes on far right television, largely just to agree with them. Abandons Nina Turner ... abandons adding another M4A yes vote to congress.
What does this guy do that benefits the left, in any way? All of the above seems to mostly benefit the far right.
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@DesignerDave Covid's 1% infection fatality rate is about 10x the influenza infection fatality rate, plus more contagious. It's 2x the polio paralysis rate, 20x the polio infection fatality rate, and again more contagious. It's 4x the automobile accident fatality rate, and again far more widespread.
Should we ditch polio vaccine mandates, and all rules of the road, because those things aren't deadly enough to put effort into reducing them?
Should we ditch smoking laws, extra taxes, increased insurance rates, and a near universal ban on smoking indoors, or is it dangerous enough?
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How a UBI is paid for matters. A VAT is specifically designed to NOT tax businesses in order to avoid double taxation. It's a sales tax collected in stages with all of the business stages getting to reclaim their input VAT.
Every time Yang claims a VAT will make corporations like Amazon pay their fair share in taxes, that's nonsense. Every time Yang claims a VAT/UBI combo will have corporations paying you for your data, paying you to show you ads, or paying you for every automated truck mile, that's nonsense. Every time Yang compares his dividend, which won't have corporations paying into it, to the Alaskan dividend, which is paid for by corporations, that's nonsense.
Since Yang won't have corporations like Amazon paying into the dividend, that means they will only get the benefits of the dividend being spent. Amazon would make an extra $60b a year. That would make Bezos extra billions a year more than he'd ever personally pay into a VAT.
That's money flowing to the very top even faster than it is now. That's more money they can hoard, money they can invest into taking out smaller businesses, or money they can invest into speeding up automation and putting people out of work even faster.
https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/business/vat/what-is-vat_en
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@ph6794 You're cheering on the aggressor? Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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What a moronic assessment. If you drop a bomb, knowing full well it is going to hit civilians, then you're intentionally killing civilians. It wasn't an "accident" that you dropped the bomb. It wasn't an "accident" that it blew up the exact place you wanted to blow up.
Israel hides over 400k militants (reservists), valid military targets, amongst its civilians, using them as human shields. Odds are at least one Israeli Hamas killed was an out of uniform militant. Israel hides its largest IDF base, a valid military target, inside a shopping mall, using civilians as human shields. Due to mandatory service, almost every single Israeli is, was, or will be, a militant.
This year, prior to Oct 7... over 1200 Palestinian hostages held without charges by Israel ... over 200 Palestinians killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians displaced by never ending illegal colonialism of the West Bank ... and the continued operation of an open air WWII style fascist ghetto in Gaza. Why not say Hamas was responding? Would you blame the ZOB and ZZW for the Warsaw ghetto uprising?
You're justifying the Hamas attack, with your own moronic argument to justify Israel's use of collective punishment.
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@StephenZ827 Lol, that wasn't the only reasoning for cutting back production. During WWI farmers had been encouraged to take out loans, expand their farms, and pump out as much wheat, corn, etc., as possible, to meet the demands of the war. Prices were also artificially inflated by the war. When the war ended, and European farms started getting back on track, prices started dropping. US farmers then tried to pump out even more to make up for their losses in price, to pay off their loans, which made matters even worse. Not only did it make matters worse on the price front, but all that farming exacerbated the effects of the drought that came along, creating the Dust Bowl. Hundreds of thousands of farms failed, and led to the greatest internal migration in US history. Excessive farming didn't simply drive prices down, it helped cause and perpetuate an ecological disaster. It was the farmers who needed prices higher, to survive on less farming. The introduction of new farming methods, ways to protect farmland, and higher prices, saved countless more farms from going under.
He also saved countless more banks from failing, by introducing savings protection, and getting people to put their money back into banks. Not sure how saving banks is hobbling them. He also introduced Glass-Steagall, and ditching it was one of the causes of the great recession.
You can blather about the "theft" of gold, but the New Deal saved countless lives, farms, banks, businesses, the environment, etc.
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@Peethemayan4516 "Palestinians" describes people in a region. Just like Scots aren't literally all descended from Dal Riata Scots, the term spread from a small SW group to cover a larger region. The vast majority of Scots are genetically Northern Britons and Picts.
The Sea Peoples came through and liberated the Canaan region from Hittite and Egyptian domination. Some of those Sea Peoples, who the Egyptians called Peleset, settled in the SW corner of Canaan. Archaeology indicates they didn't gncide the local Canaanites, didn't ethnically cleanse the local Canaanites, but simply immigrated and merged with the local Canaanites. That region became Philistia.
All, or part, of the region has been called some variation of Palestine, ever since. Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be "in Palestine", so the term had spread to describe a larger region, by then.
Palestinians have Canaanite DNA. They are Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are now Hispanic and Catholic. They were the previous Christian majority. They were the Jewish majority, before that. The Canaanite mythology region had been made Jewish, similarly ... conversion, and the spreading of a culture (archaeology doesn't support the mass gncides bible myth).
So, the Znists "returned" to clnize the ancient Jws, that never left.
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Total tests, or tests per million, are totally irrelevant numbers that are completely disconnected from the number of confirmed cases. Countries like S Korea, New Zealand, and Australia, flattened their curves quickly by testing at rates of 50+ people per confirmed case. The US has been testing at a rate of about 5 people per confirmed case ... one of the lowest rates in the world. If what Trump said was even remotely true, those countries should have found far more confirmed cases than they did. Instead, they were testing at rates far beyond the rate of virus spread. You can't contain the virus testing only twice the virus spread rate. If each confirmed case came in contact with say 25 people, on average, testing just 5 other people only gives you a 20% chance of finding the right 2.5 people they passed it on to. THAT'S why the US has more cases. They aren't getting ahead of the virus, and the numbers are now so high it's probably impossible for them to ever get ahead.
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Muslims believe in Jesus. It's Jews that don't. Also, Turkey is what's left of the last caliphate, not Saudi. Homosexuality has always been legal in Turkey, because that was the law of the Ottoman Empire. The west took that more moderate empire, carved it up into little bits, and handed parts of it to religious extremists. In numerous Muslim majority countries, there have also been more secular movements and political leaders. Problem was they also leaned a bit more left, economically, than countries like the US and UK preferred, and were overthrown. Meanwhile, countries like Saudi have been supported financially and militarily, as they've spread their more conservative brand of Islam around the world. Religious nuts in Afghanistan were supported with hundreds of millions of dollars, to overthrow more secular communist Muslims. It's kind of moronic for the west to complain about the current state of Muslim countries, when they had a hand in making them the way they are.
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Native Americans reached a point where they wanted to push all the white people back into the sea. It wasn't simply because they were white. It was because they were colonizing, ethnic cleansing, assholes.
Hamas are just a poor man's Likud, only opposed to colonialism, instead of doing the colonialism. Likud was founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists. Terrorist groups that were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected the leaders of both those terrorist groups as PMs. Israelis celebrate those terrorists as "heroes", to this day. Their Likud platform (over a decade older than the founding of Hamas), "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
Everyone blathering about Hamas is like going on about Cochise, in the 1850s, when people are trying to tell you that Native Americans are being ethnically cleansed and colonized.
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@leqaf By increasing the number of supporters, until you have a majority, or at least a majority of supporters in committees, then it'll get a floor vote. Only complete idiots care so much about getting a vote, when it's still 100+ votes short in the house alone. Pelosi introduced the M4A bill last session. It died in committees. She has already reintroduced the bill, this session. If Dore knobs actually cared about getting a vote so much, they'd be endlessly pressuring committee members to take up the bill. Instead, they just bitch and whine about, and slander, M4A's most ardent congressional supporters, who have been doing the work of increasing the yes vote count ... the only thing that will ever get the bill passed.
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@AG-xc5ni Oh no! She wants to remain in majority party! The horror! She just tried backing a progressive, in at least one of those conservative districts, and they got creamed, while the more conservative Dem not only easily won the primary, getting the majority, not plurality, of votes, but also beat the Republican in office. I get it, "real" progressives want the Republicans to win, and for progressives to have absolutely zero say, and zero leverage, in a minority.
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@AOLAmericaOnline Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan", platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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@anti-corporatecapture3844 To catch you up to date, Dore knob ...
Jimmy's doctor of nursing practice (not an actual MD), friend, from across the pond has been debunked already.
1. What's going on in one country can't just easily be applied to another. The US excess mortality rate was higher than its covid death count, not lower, like the UK. Something completely different is going on. It was stupid of the doctor of nursing to suggest this.
2. An excess mortality rate, that is higher or lower than the covid death count, doesn't automatically mean something is off with the covid death count. You have to count up all the pluses and minuses from all other things people died of. Only if all those other deaths don't match the difference, then there's something off with the covid count. If you straight up take it at face value, and claim the UK is overcounting, that would mean the US is undercounting.
3. The second number is the official number used for deaths due to covid by the government, and the media. No other.
4. The third number, if you read the paper, says "with covid". It does not say covid "contributed" to the death, as the dishonest doctor of nursing stated. That simply means there were some 20k people, on top of the second number, who died of other things, but had covid. Not the government, nor the media, use that number as the covid death count.
5. Not counting people listed as dying due to covid, simply because they had comorbidities, is disgusting. People with asthma tend to live about as long as anyone else. Not counting them as a human being, because they had a precondition, is disgusting. You and Dore are as bad as private for profit insurance companies. Someone with type I diabetes, doesn't count as a human being? You're writing them off as the walking dead, like complete loons.
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Facts: Followers of Ze'ev Jabotinsky formed the Irgun and Lehi Zionist terrorist groups. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering Palestinian men, women, children, and even Palestinian Jews, who didn't support colonialist Zionsim. The Lehi were considered even more extreme, tried to ally with the Nazis against Britain, continued fighting the British during WWII, and assassinated British diplomats. Those terrorist groups opposed partition for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized at all, while the terrorists wanted to colonize it all. Those terrorists committed massacres, rape, and torture, during partition violence. The Irgun bombed the King David Hotel, to cover up that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah. Those terrorist groups were merged into Israel's military and intelligence agencies. The leaders of those terrorist groups formed Likud, and both leaders were elected as PMs. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes".
Likud's platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promised to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon.
Zionism = colonialism, terrorism, ethnic cleansing, rape, torture, an ethno-state, occupation, and operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Or, in other words, Nazism.
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Well, when you have people making laws, that BDS, which has nothing to do with all Jewish businesses everywhere, only Israeli ones, is anti-semitic ... Or, you have people saying anti-Israeli government or anti-zionism, which are political and have nothing to do with all Jews everywhere, are anti-semitic ... Coming from people like Ben Shapiro, sorry, I don't buy his definition.
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@themadmattster9647 Lol, why did you put "quacks" in quotes, as if I used the word, and why did you change the subject from Katz, again? I responded to your Katz comment. I did use the word "grifter", and Katz is a proven one, so that's just a fact. Are you dropping him as a decent source, for others?
Those 2 are indeed specialists, but I'm not sure what study they cited, or are involved with, that's mentioned in the article. They answered a bunch of different questions, giving their opinions. Maybe I missed something specific you were trying point to.
They referred to Sweden, without noting that Sweden has had 5-10x more deaths per capita than their neighbours ... without noting that, although Sweden has finally got its numbers down, it took them 4 months longer than their neighbours ... without noting that Sweden is amongst the top 20 covid deaths per capita in the world. They mention Florida using a similar age targeted method to Sweden, comparing it to the New York method, without mentioning that Florida is amongst the 17 states whose covid death per capita rates are higher than the US national average ... a national average that's already one of the worst in the world. Comparing US states is kind of like comparing bullshit to horseshit. They're both still shit.
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@Will_Moffett We've been witness to the fact that massive amounts of misinformation, comes with access to massive amounts of information. In the case of Israel, that misinformation has been the predominant media spin on things, for decades. To think that the majority of people in Western countries, support what they themselves consider to be genocide, rather than them being ignorant, seems like a stretch. Plus, if that many people outright know Israel is the aggressor, and fully support their aggression, what is it you think a BDS movement will do? The powers that be will simply keep it surviving, if they have that much fully informed support.
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How is there a two state solution, with Likud? Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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@nappel6496 Nope. You're showing zero respect for the average young people they actually were, before feeling the need to sign up, or legally having to sign up, something almost all of them never would have done if there wasn't a world war going on. If you were a careerist, back then, you probably would have been criticizing any of them who supported FDR's new subsidized housing program, telling them to be a man, join the military, and earn your housing, or criticizing them for something else, right up until the US became involved in the war.
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Fact: most of "Trump's" economic accomplishments occurred during his first year, while Obama's last budget was still in effect.
Fact: Since Trump's first budget kicked in, when the corporations and the rich could cash in on their tax breaks, which was also about the time Trump started his trade wars, even his own favourite measure, the stock market, says he sucks.
Fact: He mocked safety guidelines encouraging his cult to ignore them, he fought and undermined governors instead of trying to help them, he has bullshitted about US testing rates (the US consistently has a pathetically low trace testing rate), and his incompetence has allowed tens of thousands of excess Americans to die.
Fact: He directly caused the deaths of 700+ Americans, by gathering them together at rallies.
Fact: He has dropped more bombs than Obama, has greatly increased the US's already bloated military budget, and hasn't ended the endless warring.
What do you think his great accomplishments are?
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What are you idjits above on about?
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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This is one of the most uninformed comment sections I have ever seen.
AOC and two fellow NY progressives back formal plea for ceasefire in Gaza
Oct 16, 2023
18 House Democrats sign resolution for Mideast de-escalation, ceasefire
Oct 23, 2023 — Cori Bush (D-Mo.). Bush's fellow “Squad” members Reps. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.)
Democrats Like Rashida Tlaib, AOC Split With Biden Over Israel Ceasefire Calls
Oct 31, 2023
AOC leads Democrats urging Biden to call for Gaza ceasefire over children's rights
Nov 15, 2023
AOC calls Biden administration 'shameful' for blocking United Nations demand for a ...
Dec 11, 2023
Aoc ceasefire | keeping it reel - NewsBreak Original
Jan 17, 2024
Hour 1: AOC Calls for Ceasefire from Israel - The Marc Cox Morning Show Podcast
Feb 8, 2024
AOC suggests cutting off aid to Israel after U.S. vetoes ceasefire resolution
Feb 22, 2024
AOC and Other Democrats Urge Biden to Call for a Ceasefire at the State of the ...
Mar 1, 2024
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@fatbachelors3922 In what reality can you pass it, without the magic number of votes? Even if you had a 100% guaranteed to fail performance art vote, you'd then still have to do the hard work of converting or replacing enough members of congress to actually pass it. Hard work that AOC and Justice Dems have been doing. AOC was just on the ground fighting to add one more M4A yes vote to congress, while Dore was slandering her, and Nina, from his garage.
House Dems were thinking of taking out the $15 before even one vote. Progressives got it to stay in for a round of voting. It passed the house (M4A didn't have a chance in hell) and also got a senate vote. Absolutely awesome to just get a vote on an important progressive policy, right?! Plus, getting ever so important lists of no voters, from both chambers ... f*cking amazing, right?! Nope. Dore, and his knobs, just keep bitching about those who got it to stay in for a round of voting, and who voted for it, rather than go after those who voted against it. Pathetic.
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Why? Harris is an idiot. "Therefore there must be right and wrong answers, to questions of ..." artistic, musical, literary, theatrical, culinary, etc., etc., etc., ... likes and dislikes. What a maroon. Just because subjectivity objectively exists, doesn't mean there are objectively right and wrong answers.
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events) ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@edwsc3 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure, dumb dumb ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@albertobenevenuto77 Yeah, they're Puritans. And it's no misinterpretation.
List, directly from the Students for Life (major anti-abortion lobby group) web page:
Abortifacient
Oral contraceptives (birth control pills)
Intra-uterine devices (IUDs), both copper & hormonal
Hormonal patches
Hormonal shots
Hormonal implants
Hormonal vaginal rings
Plan B (emergency contraceptive) and off-brand equivalents
From the Heritage Foundation: “conservatives have to lead the way in restoring sex to its true purpose, and ending recreational sex and senseless use of birth control pills.”
Chris Rufo, CRT fear mongerer: “The pill causes health problems for many women. ‘Recreational sex’ is a large part of the reason we have so many single-mother households, which drives poverty, crime, and dysfunction. The point of sex is to create children—this is natural, normal, and good.”
Rolling Stone: "House Speaker Mike Johnson’s Long Crusade Against Birth Control"
Candace Owens: “The birth control pharmaceutical propaganda has been so successful that women think their only options are to dose themselves with cancer-causing hormones, or have 50 babies or have multiple abortions,”
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A UBI would be great, but Yang's method of paying for it sucks ass. He doesn't know how a VAT actually works, who it actually taxes. It's specifically designed to NOT end up taxing businesses, to avoid double taxation. It's a sales tax, collected in stages, with every stage getting paid back, except the final consumer. It also wouldn't generate as much revenue in a lockdown scenario and already has a $1t deficit starting point, until the economy expands enough. It would also take a fair bit to figure out all his different stacking vs not stacking options, how they coordinate with state programs, who qualifies for what, etc.
A jobs program would be easier to implement (simply create infrastructure jobs) but the timing (heading into winter and during a pandemic) might not be great. It, too, would start with a large deficit, until income taxes, and the economic benefits of better infrastructure, kicked in.
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@Woobieeee Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@Q3020Q Nazis didn't live inside the Warsaw ghetto, dumb dumb. Gaza is officially considered occupied. Israel controls the borders, airspace, ports, electricity, water, imports and exports (only people can go through Rafah, not stuff), and Bibi even controls the flow of money from Qatar, having turned it off and on multiple times.
Likud was founded by Irgun (bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, as well as the King David Hotel) and Lehi (considered worse than Irgun, and tried to ally with Nazis against Britain) terrorists. Their platform (over a decade older than Hamas), "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", promises to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories. It further claims a "right" to all the "Land of Israel" (fictional biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly Iraq.
It's abhorrent that Zionists became the very thing they fled from.
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@ThePoliticalBulldog That is the dumbest shit I've read so far, in the past few days.
Both have Canaanite DNA, making them both native.
The Egyptian and Hittite empires dominated the Canaanite region; then, for a brief time, there were the kingdoms of Israel, Judea, and Philistia; then the Assyrians wiped out Israel; then the Babylonians conquered Judea and Philistia; then the Persians conquered the Babylonians; then the Greeks conquered the Persians; then the Romans conquered the Greeks ... Romans didn't conquer "group A", and the ones that did, Babylonians, also conquered "group B", and took some of both populations hostage to Babylon.
"Group A" decided to rebel against their Roman oppressors, multiple times, killing tens of thousands of Roman civilians, so the Romans responded with excessive force, destroyed their temple, and ethnically cleansing them out of Jerusalem. Sound familiar?
Group B simply didn't go anywhere. Still sitting there, with their Canaanite DNA.
After a 1500 year walkabout, group A decided to return, not as neighbours, but to take half the land and ethnically cleanse those who had remained off the land. On top of being Colonialists, they also formed terrorist groups (Irgun and Lehi), and killed many group B civilians, including children, even killed group B Jews (who didn't support Zionism). That colonialism and terrorism was rewarded with statehood.
And, anytime group B rebels against their group A oppressors, group A uses excessive force, and does more ethnic cleansing, just like the Romans.
Group A also decided to set up an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, for group B. They've become the very thing they fled Europe and Russia from.
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Total testing is irrelevant. Even testing per capita is irrelevant. Neither tell you how you're testing against the virus spread. Number of tests per positive result tells you how you're testing vs the virus. The US is testing about 6 people per positive result. New York and New Jersey are testing at pathetic rates of 2-3 people per positive result. Most of our world leading countries are failing. France is also testing at a pathetic rate of 2-3 people per positive result. The UK is testing 4-5 people per positive result. Spain is testing 5 people per positive result. Italy is testing 7-8 people per positive result. Germany is testing 13 people per positive result. Canada is testing about 15 people per positive result, which still isn't enough. Countries, like S Korea, New Zealand, and Australia, that quickly contained the virus and flattened their curves, are testing 50+ people per positive result. Sweden isn't even trying to contain the virus, and they're testing at a rate of 5-6 people per positive result. How countries can claim to be trying to contain the virus, while testing at a similar rate, or worse, than a country that isn't even trying, is beyond me. They really don't seem to be trying all that hard.
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Stop bullshitting. You don't care about others having healthcare.
In 2016, you promoted Trump as a better option, not caring if that might lead to the repeal of the ACA and millions losing their healthcare, including people with preexisting conditions. During the 2020 primaries, you promoted Tulsi ("Medicare choice" aka public option) instead of Bernie (M4A), not caring about getting the better healthcare plan, and not caring that you might peel away enough votes from the more viable progressive and let Biden win. You spent the general basically running an attack ad campaign against Trump's only viable opponent, again not caring if that would lead to the ACA being completely repealed, not caring if he killed thousands of more Americans, and no longer advocated for getting even a public option, or the Medicare age decrease that would put millions more on Medicare. Plus, you're promoting yet another third party that won't even get you a seat in congress in the next 50 years, let alone get you M4A, and could just split progressive voting enough to lose the gains they've made within the Dem party, handing it back to corporate Dems, and let Republicans rule for decades, possibly destroying the healthcare system even more.
If anyone is a "fake", "shill", "sellout", or whatnot, it's clearly you, Jimmy. AOC backed Bernie over Biden, Biden over Trump, and just helped get more pro-M4A progressives elected to congress. Adding more yes votes to congress is the only thing that will ever get M4A passed, failed show vote or no failed show vote.
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@ThinkingCap_ Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@michaelarmijo4112 What's the point of having a vote, when it's still 100+ votes short in the house alone?
The broader progressive caucus, with M4A on their platform, is about 10 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems, and could then pick the party speaker candidate, and if the majority party could hold the speakership, fill committee seats, etc. Justice Dems have helped add about a dozen seats in the past couple election cycles. AOC helped add a few seats in the only election cycle since she has been elected. She was just campaigning, trying to add Nina, as well.
Getting enough yes votes is, literally, the only possible way to pass a bill. Making out like adding yes votes is doing nothing, is moronic.
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Conservative/capitalist types have cancelled, or attempted to cancel, things for centuries ... women's ankles, women's knees, women's thighs, women in pants, women's votes, black rights, black votes, native rights, Asian rights, naughty words, PDA, sex, gay sex, unions, socialists, Harry Potter, Captain Marvel, etc., etc., etc. And, while they cry about private companies making decisions, which has nothing to do with free speech, they were perfectly fine with Trump firing, or threatening to fire, people who said things he didn't like ... the actual government punishing people for their speech. They're nothing but a bunch of hypocrites.
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@beng2729 You don't seem to know the definition of “colonize”. The Normans can most definitely colonize the Anglo-Saxons.
Again, Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, dimwit. They're Arab and Muslim the same way indigenous peoples of Central America are Hispanic and Catholic. There's zero account of actual Arabians, from Arabia, completely genociding Palestine and then completely refilling it with people from a small desert nation. They simply conquered and ruled, like all the others before them. The majority of the population had already converted to Christianity, by the time they arrived, and then simply converted again, to Islam.
After going on a tour for hundreds of years, if you “come back” to claim the land, you’re coming back as a colonizer. Everyone is African, if you go back far enough. People still colonized the crap out of Africa.
What does it matter what “Palestine” describes? I have a city identifier, a provincial identifier, a national identifier, a region identifier, … You're simply a racist, trying to make out like a people doesn't exist. Native Americans, Africans, indigenous Australians, hadn't submitted the proper nation creation paperwork with the proper authorities, and only lived in regions … they were still colonized, genocided, and ethnically cleansed.
Palestinians were the ancient Jews, dumb dumb. Most converted to Christianity, then most converted to Islam. Not that difficult to understand. The Irish are largely still quite Celtic in ethnicity, but they aren't still largely practicing ancient religions. Barely anyone in all of Europe is practicing ancient religions. They weren't all completely genocided and replaced with people practicing Christianity. They simply all converted, dimwit. A new religion isn't any kind of evidence of an entirely new people. I seriously can't grasp just how stupid someone needs to be, to think that's the case.
You also don't seem to know what “influx” means. There were about 7k Jews in Palestine, in 1800. Even if they all arrived in the 18th century, that's not an “influx”.
Again, the non Jewish population doubling twice, in 147 years, can almost entirely be explained by reproduction rates. You're exaggerating the numbers of Jewish immigrants, prior to 1800 and exaggerating the number non-Jewish immigrants after 1800.
Nope. More lying.
Uh huh, and? That's how it's still being used. There are Christian Palestinians. There were Jewish Palestinians. Irgun and Lehi terrorists targeted those Palestinian Jews alongside their Palestinian brothers and sisters, for not supporting colonialist Zionsim. Do you even know what “Arab” means? It's not mutually exclusive from being Christian or Jewish. What were the Arabic speaking Palestinian Jews?
Nope. Lying again. Romans renamed it Palestine, as it had been named before. Aristotle considered the Dead Sea to be “in Palestine”.
The Jewish population only owned about 5 percent of the land, prior to partition, and were the majority in zero districts. To become a “Jewish state” would require ethnic cleansing, and that's exactly what happened.
Zionism is colonialism. And, the more Zionists talk, they indicate it's even Nazism, making out like human beings don't exist, and justifying killing, ethnically cleansing them, keeping them in open air WWII style fascist ghettos.
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@Zenith118 "There can be no voluntary agreement between ourselves and the Palestine Arabs. Not now, nor in the prospective future. I say this with such conviction, not because I want to hurt the moderate Zionists. I do not believe that they will be hurt. Except for those who were born blind, they realised long ago that it is utterly impossible to obtain the voluntary consent of the Palestine Arabs for converting "Palestine" from an Arab country into a country with a Jewish majority.
My readers have a general idea of the history of colonisation in other countries. I suggest that they consider all the precedents with which they are acquainted, and see whether there is one solitary instance of any colonisation being carried on with the consent of the native population. There is no such precedent.
The native populations, civilised or uncivilised, have always stubbornly resisted the colonists, irrespective of whether they were civilised or savage."
"Our Peace-mongers are trying to persuade us that the Arabs are either fools, whom we can deceive by masking our real aims, or that they are corrupt and can be bribed to abandon to us their claim to priority in Palestine , in return for cultural and economic advantages. I repudiate this conception of the Palestinian Arabs. Culturally they are five hundred years behind us, they have neither our endurance nor our determination; but they are just as good psychologists as we are, and their minds have been sharpened like ours by centuries of fine-spun logomachy. We may tell them whatever we like about the innocence of our aims, watering them down and sweetening them with honeyed words to make them palatable, but they know what we want, as well as we know what they do not want. They feel at least the same instinctive jealous love of Palestine, as the old Aztecs felt for ancient Mexico, and the Sioux for their rolling Prairies.
To imagine, as our Arabophiles do, that they will voluntarily consent to the realisation of Zionism, in return for the moral and material conveniences which the Jewish colonist brings with him, is a childish notion, which has at bottom a kind of contempt for the Arab people; it means that they despise the Arab race, which they regard as a corrupt mob that can be bought and sold, and are willing to give up their fatherland for a good railway system.
There is no justification for such a belief. It may be that some individual Arabs take bribes. But that does not mean that the Arab people of Palestine as a whole will sell that fervent patriotism that they guard so jealously, and which even the Papuans will never sell. Every native population in the world resists colonists as long as it has the slightest hope of being able to rid itself of the danger of being colonised.
That is what the Arabs in Palestine are doing, and what they will persist in doing as long as there remains a solitary spark of hope that they will be able to prevent the transformation of "Palestine" into the "Land of Israel.""
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Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@wvu05 Most states have a mandatory retirement for judges. Kind of odd to retire those who interpret the law, but not those who create the laws. There are a number of other government jobs with mandatory retirement. Also odd to force retire generals, but not the ones telling generals what to do. Odd to force retire older intelligence agents, but not the ones telling them what to do. Out in the private sector, the majority of people over 50 feel like they were forced out of jobs they wouldn't have retired from, and are now in jobs they didn't particularly want, for less money. There are plenty of contracts that conveniently run out at a certain age. Businesses all over find ways to get people to retire, if they really want them to. And most people do get the hell out by the time they're 65.
The original "democracy", in Ancient Greece, much like the US' original "democracy", only included only landowning males, not women, not non landowners, not slaves ... various restrictions might make a democratic system more, or less, democratic, but it doesn't completely abandon it. The US already isn't a direct democracy. That doesn't make it completely "anti-democratic". Most democracies aren't. The US is less democratic than a number of countries, due to gerrymandering, the senate, the electoral college, disenfranchisement, and voter suppression. Doesn't make them completely "anti-democratic". Completely "anti-democratic" is trying to overthrow the democratic process, to keep an unelected ruler in power, like what Republicans tried to do. An age limit is more democratic than a term limit. You could have as many terms as you want, up until a certain age.
There's a minimum age for both running and voting. Automobile accidents increasing again at higher age categories, and it's not because they're careless, like many teenage drivers. It's because cognitive decline starts setting in. At 65, 15-20% of people are experiencing some kind of mild cognitive decline. By 70, average cognitive scores are dropping below those of 25 year olds, who aren't allowed to run for many positions.
Do you think Bernie's hospital visit, and heart stents, put a bit of a damper on his campaign and gave the opposition some ammo? Would have been nice if he started running for president, become a household name, and have his policies part of mainstream conversations, decades ago. Maybe he would have, if he had known he wouldn't be able to later. And, for every Bernie, who still seems to have his wits about him, how many Trumps or Bidens, who seem to have, at least, some mild cognitive impairments ... how many Dianne Feinsteins or Reagans, who had more ... how many congress members taking Alzheimers medication? Or, how many that simply want to return to the 1950s, that they thought it was awesome? Bernie just happened to be on the right side of most things, all along. Many have been on the wrong side of things all along, and are entrenched.
An age limit might not get you something much better out of McConnell's district, but it might get you something more progressive out of Pelosi's, or Feinstein's, once the seat is freed up.
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@bodhisattva3774 The final bill passed 418-11, and it only paid back the capitol police budget for the extra $70m it used. It paid back the national guard $521m. $300m went for security upgrades. $42.1m went to added covid protocols. And over $1b went for Afghan refugees. Both the capitol police and national guard had budget shortages, because of Jan 6, and the added security weeks after. There was going to be a bill passed, to fill those budget shortages. If the original bill hadn't passed the house, to be amended by the senate, the senate would simply have come up with their own bill. So, her first vote didn't really matter, because the senate would have introduced a bill anyway, and her no vote on the final bill didn't really matter, because it passed by a longshot. You're a total ignoramus, for repeatedly saying it's $2b for the capitol police.
And, again, they aren't even like real cops. They aren't going to pull someone over for a taillight and then shoot them. They aren't going to choke someone out for selling smokes. They aren't going to be called to a swimming pool and toss young black girls around. Etc. They're more like the secret service, which has field offices around the country that still don't make them anything like normal cops.
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@misterlyle. The guy in the video fudges with history. Philistia, inhabited by Philistines, emerged at about the same time as the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah, and survived longer than Israel. Israel was wiped out first by the Assyrians. Israelite refugees fled to Judah. That's how they all became Judahites. It was the terms "Israel" and "Israelites" that fell out of use, even amongst Jews (Europeanized form of "Judahites"). The terms "Philistia", "Palestine", "Filistin", and variations there of, have been in use throughout history. And, if inhabitants of the region were being called "Palestinian" numerous times before the 18th century, just because someone didn't specifically write about them in the 18th century, but then they were still being called that in the 19th century, he has no real point. It just means there was an absence of describing the inhabitants. And, what does it even matter, if you went by one term one day, and another term the next ... you still lived on the land, and existed.
Palestinians have Canaanite DNA, which dates back before there ever was an Israel, Judah, or Philistia. The Canaanites built Jerusalem. If he'd rather use his fairy tale book, instead of science, then the book says the Israelites were invaders, who originated in Mesopotamia, and took Jerusalem from the native Canaanites.
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@misterlyle. "Peleset", "Philistia", "Philistine", "Palestine", "Filastin", used throughout history, by Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Greeks, Romans, Muslims, Christians, and even Jews ... used by big names, like Horodotus, Aristotle, Shakespeare ... plus a few uses of "Palestinian", prior to the 18th century ...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_name_Palestine
"Palestine" often being a province, or other smaller political division under a larger one, it leaves the use of "Palestinian" at a disadvantage, compared to the use of "Jew", because "Jew" is used to describe a religious group, an ancient national group, an ethnic/cultural group, ... I rarely ever use my provincial label, most times using my national label, but if someone came along and claimed people of my province didn't exist, or that they can take half my province's land and boot us off, because we weren't a country ... F*ck them! These colonizer arguments, to try and mask their colonialism, are pure bullshit. North American natives didn't have a national border, hadn't filed whatever proper paperwork they were supposed to with whoever they were supposed to have, the names of their tribes weren't in books, and that still doesn't change the absolute fact that they existed, lived on regions of land, and were colonized.
Palestinians are native, with Canaanite DNA, who likely simply converted religions along the way.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/
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@michaelernest7224 Yeah, Likud (founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists) seems like it has totally been on board with Palestinian independence ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
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@cogen651 If you separate authoritarian and non-authoritarian from capitalism (right) and socialism/communism (left), and use a two axes model, it's better than a straight line. So, while Ayn Rand types might be more "liberal", in tolerance for different people and behaviour in society ... are less authoritarian ... they are still as far right as one can be. There's nothing to the right of Ayn Rand. There are multiple US politicians that espouse her writings. There are basically no US politicians left of Bernie, and he's only a centrist, pointing to centrist European countries to emulate. Zero politicians are calling for an end to capitalism, equal ownership of everything, and economic equality for all ... zero politicians that are as far left as possible. Most Democrat politicians are right of centre, and somewhat authoritarian. Republicans are even more right, and even more authoritarian. US politics ranges from far right to centre.
Where does Peterson fall in that? While he may not be in the more authoritarian groups, he's still pretty far to the right.
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@gavrielmusheyev141 It isn't just Netanyahu. Likud was founded by Irgun and Lehi terrorists. Einstein, and others, called their first party, Herut, equivalent to fascists and Nazis. Their platform, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has promised to completely colonize and ethnically cleanse all Palestine territories, since the 70s (and exactly what they wanted as Herut, Irgun, and Lehi). Colonizing everything has been their goal for over a century. The Irgun and Lehi were followers of Ze'ev Jabotinsky. Read his, The Iron Wall, 1923.
Israel is equivalent to the Third Reich. Hamas is just a poor man's Likud.
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@deborahrainabotvinik3894 Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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It's not simply testing per capita that's important, David. How fast that testing is rolled out is more important. If you quickly jump to 20k tests a day, get ahead of the virus quickly by testing beyond those showing symptoms, and largely contain the virus, like S Korea did, then you don't really have to increase the testing rate. You could even lower testing significantly, and not end up with a high tests per million. If you allow the virus to spread to hundreds of thousands of people, you need to multiply the tests needed significantly, and just doing more tests per million, than S Korea, might not be enough. Italy, Spain, and Germany have almost double the test per million that S Korea does, and it's still not enough, because they rolled out mass testing too slowly. The US should probably be at 100k tests per million, rather than 10k.
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@Breadbored. I'm nitpicking because I want to be clear about what's what, for anyone reading. You referred to the "Canada" system, not your provincial system. You said that Canada system had "fundamental" problems. Then you gave government negotiated doctor salaries as an example, while leaving out that that's a provincial government negotiation, not a federal (Canada) government negotiation, and that it's not a problem across the whole system. Anti M4A folks love to pick up on any negative anecdotes about the Canadian system, so I just want to be clear.
To be clear, the US already has hospital shutdown problems in less populated areas. Those hospital shutdown problems are even worse in areas that didn't accept federal assistance to expand Medicaid. You don't know if your hospital might have already shutdown if it wasn't for public funding. Keeping hospitals afloat in less populated areas is a fundamental problem for any system, and possibly a worse problem without public funding.
So, your example was neither a "Canada" problem, nor a "fundamental" problem with our system specifically, nor even solely a single payer problem. Our system evolved over decades, so it's also not a problem with any hasty implementation. And, yes, universal coverage is inherently better than not having it, even if there are still issues. If we agree on all that, then we agree your initial post was kinda bullshit, just like I said, as well as some of the other language you used, all of which I didn't misread, at all. If you're reading that I'm arguing against anything other than specific statements you made, then you're the illiterate one.
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@novaui4014 Well, these ones could have left for vacation without even getting the 8 weeks, like the rest of them did, but they didn't. Cori, AOC, Bowman, and others, have also been raising money, working with charities, and working with state officials, to try and resolve the problem for those in their districts and states. Go bitch about the ones who left for vacation on Fri, and aren't doing anything for the people in their districts or states.
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@dripshameless5605 They went on about there supposedly being zero evidence of a single covid death, the vaccine being a bioweapon, and other psycho nonsense. So, when they say "propaganda machine", they don't simply mean a few mainstream media outlets. They mean all levels of media, all levels of government, doctors, nurses, scientists, all over the world, and even claimed regular people who say they know someone who died of covid, are propagandists. When they say "think for themselves", they mean believe outright nonsense posted by other online nutjobs.
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Progressives are already behind M4A. The only matter is whether holding a vote guaranteed to fail will accomplish anything. Jimmy thinks it might lead to a progressive wave of voting, come 2022, and if you win enough seats in both the House and Senate, you could try again. Jimmy also thought letting Trump win in 2016 would bring about a massive progressive wave of voters, so he's not the best strategist, or forecaster.
AOC's progressive PAC just helped get more progressives elected to congress. Jimmy calling her a shill, for disagreeing on tactics, isn't helpful and just straight up bullshit. That's exactly what he wants his own "plan" to end up doing. I don't recall Jimmy promoting progressive candidates as much as he possibly could, leading into the election. He was busy whining about Colbert crying, shit Obama (no longer an actual politician) said, and bashing Trump's only viable opponent, basically doing attack ads for the Trump campaign.
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@cpj75010 And now he's calling her a "shill", which is pure bullshit. The Tea Party attacked mainstream Republicans, they didn't attack their own Tea Party friendly politicians. Jimmy is doing his best to destroy the credibility of the most progressive politians in congress. He doesn't give a crap. He proved in 2016 that he doesn't really give a crap who's in charge. He stupidly thinks fascists and neolibs are samesies. He, basically, ran an attack ad campaign, for Trump against Biden, leading into the 2020 election, as well.
He could have been organizing M4A protests all along. He could have promoted DSA M4A rallies all along. You know, before the elections that just happened.
The Civil Rights Act was held up by a minority filibuster, back when that was an actual thing. It didn't lose to a majority vote. The majority could quickly reintroduce it, and then held out through another minority filibuster. If you have to threaten the speaker election for a vote, then it likely won't be reintroduced until the next time you can threaten the speaker election.
There's already plenty of agitation in the streets. Republicans, especially, don't care, and they control the senate, atm. Things would have to escalate a lot more for them to act.
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Atheists didn't label themselves originally! What don't you get about that? Christians labelled them. The Christian default was God exists. They created the word, from a Greek root, Athe(os), plus a suffix, -ist (believer). More modern Atheists, like Smith, have been redefining the word, as meaning both believer and non-believer, which is contradictory.
I am going by original definitions, and still the most common definition, when the word is used by non A-theists.
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@kise_ryota For there to be a point of creation, that requires there to be a point of no creation, right? If not, then the thing they're claiming was created always existed, and no god is needed.
Ok, so if that god knows everything that will happen, prior to creation, then once created, the creations can't do anything differently. And, yes, the god would also not be able to interact any differently than how it already knows it will interact.
Take Adam. Adam hasn't been created, yet. The god knows that the Adam he is about to create will have insufficient willpower, will succumb to temptation, and will eat the fruit. The god then creates that Adam, with the insufficient willpower. Does the now created Adam actually have the option, the ability, to choose not to eat the fruit?
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@emgtexas "In our minds", "in our eyes", would be irrelevant to the truth. If, before day 6, g0d already knew Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, then once created, on day 6, they wouldn't have the ability to choose not to eat the fruit, or g0d would be wrong, and didn't actually know.
Think of it like a willpower skill level. G0d could have created an Adam with an indomitable will, but instead knowingly created an Adam that he knew would fold like a cheap suit.
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@emgtexas Because you basically just keep asserting the premise I originally took issue with, without actually resolving the problem, putting us back to square 1.
What we can know ...
For there to be a point of creation, that means, by definition, there needs to be a point when the creation didn't exist, or it wouldn't need to be created in the first place.
It is impossible for a thing that doesn't exist to make choices.
If it is known what a creation will do, prior to it being created, then once created, the creation can't possibly do anything differently than what was known.
For a casual observer of the future, that might not be an issue, but for the creator, that means they knowingly created an Adam and Eve that would fail ... that wouldn't have enough willpower to pass the test.
Same would go for Satan.
Point A: Satan doesn't exist, so can't have made any choices. G0d knows what Satan will be, and do.
Point B: G0d still creates Satan. Satan can't possibly choose to be, or do, anything differently.
G0d intentionally created Satan to do exactly what he wanted did. And, knew he would succeed at tempting Adam and Eve, because he also intentionally created them to be weak willed failures.
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@emgtexas You claimed being deceived has nothing to do with willpower (self control), and then claimed deception led to sin (a violation of what g0d considers proper self control). G0d didn't have to create a tree with a forbidden fruit, and then stick it exactly in the only place, in the entire universe, where the only two humans existed. It was a test (entrapment), like leaving a bowl of candy in front of little kids, telling them not to eat any, or they'll be grounded, and leaving the room. It is entirely a test of willpower. Then have some stranger come along and tell the kids they don't have to listen to their parents, that they won't be grounded, to make it's even more challenging. It's a horrible setup, even leaving off that he created them, knowing they didn't have the ability to pass the test beforehand.
Even if you want to make the odd argument that there could possibly be all kinds of other beings, maybe even other g0ds, that don't require being created ... The biblical g0d created Eden, and Adam and Eve, knowing full well that the snake (if that's what you're calling Satan) would show up. He didn't prevent it. He apparently didn't even warn them not to listen to talking snakes. He created the scenario, knowing exactly how it would play out. It couldn't have possibly played out any differently, than how he knew it would.
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@emgtexas And I have tried to be respectful as all you've basically argued is that your g0d has incomprehensible magical thinking. Zero logical thought to actually solving the problem. According to Genesis 2, it took the dmwt g0d creating all the animals and birds in existence, before figuring out Adam might like another human being to help him. The dmwt g0d, knowing full well that Earth 1.0, starting with Adam was doomed to fail, and that he'd have to start over with Earth 2.0 and Noah, still went ahead with Earth 1.0. He could have just started with Noah, and Earth 2.0, in the first place. Etc. The biblical g0d isn't described as exceptionally bright, or good. Pretty much just a ruthless dcttr.
If other beings can exist without requiring that g0d creating them, then what's your basis for claiming other g0ds can't also exist?
"Middle aged"? He had just created them. There's no indication they had lived in the garden very long, at all. Plus, they were totally innocent, not knowing good or evil. They were child-like. Their father, never even warned them to avoid talking snakes.
Rofl! You believe your all powerful g0d let things go down a road he didn't intend? Again, if he knew the Adam and Eve he was about to create, would get hoodwinked, then he could have chosen to make the smarter, chosen to give them some kind of innate sense that talking snakes are bad, chosen to give them unshakable wills, ... The possibilities are limitless, aren't they? You're turning your g0d into a lame duck ... Just had no ability to do things any other way.
And yet, you haven't given a single realistic scenario that disproves it. I know the version Adam I am about to create will fail. I have the ability to create an infinite number of other versions, some amount of which would never fail. I have the power to toss the snake across the universe. I have the power to hide the tree across the universe. I still create the scenario, and version of Adam, that I know will fail. How is there any possibility of Adam not failing, once created? If there's no possibility for Adam to do otherwise, once created, then he never had an actual choice.
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@emgtexas You said there could possibly be other powerful beings in existence that didn't require a g0d to create them. How can you then claim there can't possibly be other g0ds? If you've thrown away the core ... this one g0d created everything argument ... while still including the existence of magical beings, then you've opened things up to infinite possibilities.
Adam and Eve had just been created. There's zero indication they were "middle aged", especially mentally. They were completely mentally innocent, not knowing good and evil, like little children.
And yet, you've given zero realistic scenarios, that actually get around the problem. Your main argument is the good old, "g0d works in mysterious ways", you can't know how a g0d thinks, garbage. His thinking process is described, multiple times, in the Bible, and he's not described as being exceptionally bright.
Scenario: A and B are planning to prank C, by A jumping out and startling C, while B videos it.
Not long before the planned prank, B receives a text, from himself, from the future. It's the video of what happens. It shows C severely overreacting, tripping, falling down a flight of stairs, landing badly, and no longer living.
If B does nothing, and remains an observer/recorder, things will go exactly the same way. A will never not startle C, and C will never react differently.
If B truly does not want C to be unalived, they have the power to change the scenario. It's absolutely ridiculous, to claim g0d wanted any other outcome than the one he got. An all powerful being could have changed the scenario in any number of ways.
Now, let's say B is actually a g0d, who created C. That means C didn't get traits through genetics or upbringing. C was created, by B, to be high strung and to overreact. Unless B changes their created tendencies, C will always react the way they reacted in the video. Even if B didn't want to change the scenario, B could design C differently, so that they don't overreact. If B changes nothing, C can't possibly do anything other than what was shown in the video from the future.
In a debate about free WILL, you've argued WILLpower has nothing to do with it, which makes no sense. It has everything to do with it. If Adam never possessed enough will to resist temptation, then he never had the option to react differently. G0d both could have created a stronger Adam, and could have created a different scenario.
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@emgtexas Rofl. I didn't say that, at all. I was comparing g0d to the adult parent, who left the children alone with candy, myself. Why would I care if you compared a g0d to an adult? It's comparing newly created, completely innocent, people, to "middle aged" adults, that's nonsensical.
Rofl. You used claiming it's possible g0d didn't create Satan, to dodge my previous point. Now you're claiming you do believe he created Satan. And, now you've resorted to claiming your g0d doesn't know the future of some beings, so isn't all powerful and all knowing.
Yes, because it takes WILLpower to make a proper free WILL choice. If someone doesn't have the WILLpower, to override a potentially negative desire, to make a different choice, then they won't. What does it take to resist temptation, if not WILLpower? It's literally the definition.
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@emgtexas First option: Again ... For there to be a point B of creation, that requires there being a point A of no creation. You're inventing a state of being that makes no sense. To get from point A to point B, one thing has to follow the other, meaning time already needs to be passing to create anything, which means it doesn't require being created itself. Genesis debunks the notion that God sits in some impossible place outside time. He creates things one "Day" after another.
Second option: You just ignored the creation side of things. Point A, Adam doesn't exist. I jump in a time machine, and travel to point B, where I see the Adam I'm thinking about creating eating the fruit. I then travel back to point A, where Adam doesn't exist, so he can't possibly have been faced with a choice yet. IF I now create Adam, using the exact same weak willed design that I know will eat the fruit ... THEN, once created, Adam won't be able to choose not to eat the fruit, once he's actually faced with a choice.
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@emgtexas Your words are meaningless. If time is not passing "eternal" means nothing. No end and no beginning would be us currently at point 0, and there's an infinite backwards, -1, -2, -3, ... And, infinite forwards, 1, 2, 3, ... You're the one creating a beginning of time, which would make God existing prior to that have no meaning. He would have existed for no amount of time, prior to time.
God was also the parent of Adam and Eve. You just argued he was a failure of a parent, knew he was going to be a failure of a parent, and parented them the exact same way, anyway.
If you understand my point of view, then why do you just keep making impossible assertions? It is impossible for an uncreated Adam to make a choice. You keep claiming he can. He doesn't exist, to do so. Once created, it would be impossible for Adam to make a different choice, or God would be wrong. If you can't possibly make a different choice, then you don't have free will. Stop just asserting you do, and explain how Adam could possibly choose differently AFTER he is created.
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@emgtexas This debate is already based on the notion that God can magically see the future. Reiterating that God can magically see the future is an entirely redundant statement.
Day 5: Adam doesn't actually exist. Someone who doesn't exist can't make decisions. God magically sees the future, beyond Day 6, and sees that the Adam he's about to create will eat the fruit.
Day 6: God creates Adam, with the same level of inner strength, and provides Adam with the same parental guidance, that he knows are doomed to fail.
Beyond Day 6: The now existing, weak willed, poorly parented, Adam reaches the point of being faced with a choice. Adam can't possibly choose not to eat the fruit or God will have been wrong.
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You keep talking as if the entire future, the entire timeline, actually exists already. If that were the case, then nothing would need creating. Also, if God had created everything, including the entirety of time, in an instant, then Genesis makes zero sense. And, if every point in time, including every "decision", had been instantly created, by God, that would also negate free will. The entirety of time would be exactly how he wanted it to be.
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@emgtexas Try this: Prior to creating anything, your god sees that Adam will fail. Does your god then have the power to create things differently? Can he choose not to create the tree, not create the snake, not create Satan, choose a different Adam and Eve design, choose to be a better teacher (you claimed willpower is all in the teaching, that there's nothing inherent about it, which would mean there was nothing inherently wrong with Adam, only with how he was taught)? Or, is your god's power limited?
If your god's power is unlimited, then the future he saw, where Adam fails, was only one of an unlimited potential futures, that would only happen if God chose to create/teach Adam and Eve to be weak willed, chose to create the tree, chose to create the snake, chose to create Satan ... And then he went ahead and created things exactly that way anyway. Your god didn't see an actual existing person make a choice.
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@emgtexas Why are you prattling on about irrelevant nonsense? Doesn't matter what Satan started as, your all knowing god would know what he'd turn into, before creating him, right dingus?
Yes, you said willpower was all teacher. Right, god would be responsible, either way, since he's both creator and parent. "A range of willpower" ... And he knew that "range" would be inadequate, before creating Adam.
They don't f-ing exist, dingus! If they did, then they wouldn't need creating. And, if that's the actual, only possible future, and your god can't make any changes, prior to creating things, then you're now also arguing your god isn't omnipotent, on top of being incompetent.
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@emgtexas Rofl. Ironic opening, considering the fact that Satan "chosing" is irrelevant to the point I made, dingus. The point was that your god could have chosen not to create him, if he really wanted Adam to succeed, and if he was all powerful enough to change the vision of the future he saw. Apparently you're arguing your god is not all powerful, and apparently you are too daft to grasp any points being made.
That takes willpower, dingus, which he didn't have enough of. The entire premise of the story was that they didn't know good from evil, right from wrong, dingus. He chose to leave two innocent, ignrnt, mental and emotional children, that he knew would fail, that he knew he hadn't given the proper skills to, alone with Satan and a tree that would curse them and their descendants for all eternity.
Yeah, the circle is because you haven't solved the problem, dmwt. How can someone who doesn't exist make an actual choice? Or, how can someone who now exists chose to do something differently than what God saw, prior to creating them? Constantly repeating that God can see the future, when that's already a given, means you're as sharp as a spoon.
Even a god's morality would be based on their own subjective likes and dislikes. Your god wasn't required to create pigs, make them tasty, and then declare it immoral to eat them. He felt like it.
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@emgtexas Rofl. Ironic opening, considering the fact that Satan "choosing" is irrelevant to the point I made, dingus. The point was that your god could have chosen not to create him, if he really wanted Adam to succeed, and if he was all powerful enough to change the vision of the future he saw. Apparently you're arguing your god is not all powerful, and apparently you are too thick to grasp any points being made.
Yeah, that takes willpower, dingus, which he didn't have enough of. The entire premise of the story was that they didn't know good from evil, right from wrong. He chose to leave two innocent, ignrnt, effectively children, that he knew would fail, that he knew he hadn't given the proper skills to, alone with Satan and a tree that would curse them and their descendants for all eternity. But, apparently you're now arguing your God didn't have a choice. That he's not all powerful. That the future he sees is set in stone, and he can't deviate from it.
Yeah, the circle is because you haven't solved the problem, dingus. How can someone who doesn't exist make an actual choice? Or, how can someone who now exists chose to do something differently than what God saw, prior to creating them? Constantly repeating that God can see the future, when that's already a given, means you're as sharp as a spoon.
Even a god's morality would be based on their own subjective likes and dislikes. Your god wasn't required to create pigs, make them tasty, and then declare it immoral to eat them. He felt like it.
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@emgtexas That you're as sharp as a spoon, is simply an objective fact, at this point. You don't even seem to grasp how fractions/percentages work. A few choice words, here and there is not half. Either you don't grasp them or you're the one lying. Only two options. Pick one.
What do you think I lied about? If God sees a future where Adam eats the fruit, and you claim that's the actual, unchangeable, future ... That means your god has limits. If he hasn't actually created anything yet, there should be an infinite number of possible futures, all depending on what he decides to do. Only if that future is a possibility, but not fixed, can your god have the ability to change things. You've clearly chosen to give your god limitations.
You made out like point C is an already existing future, which would mean it doesn't need creating. Then, you backtracked and said it doesn't exist. But, then you again claimed that someone who doesn't exist can make a decision. Totally inchrnt.
You very clearly openly stated that other powerful beings, besides your god, might not need creating, before backtracking.
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@emgtexas Glad we agree that you just made stuff up, while trying to dodge that your God created Satan and evil, and then back peddled. How did I dodge anything, when I said even a god's morality would be subjectivity based? All morality is. Absolutely nobody has ever provided a valid argument for objective morality. Even your own god provided a subjectivity based measure of morality ... Love (subjectivity) your neighbor as yourself ... Do unto others as you would like (subjectivity) done to you.
Yes, you repeatedly made out like your god was standing outside the timeline, watching it happen, as if it all existed already. But then when I pointed out that would mean it wouldn't need creating, you stated the timeline doesn't exist. But then you again say your god is watching a future that exists. Totally inchrnt. And, if that's the only possible, unchangeable, future, you've also now provided limits to your god's abilities.
To be clear, I'm agnostic about the existence of gods the same way I'm agnostic about the existence of aliens. However, I'm quite certain that Star Trek, Spock, the Bible, and its God, are works of fiction.
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@emgtexas People who don't exist yet, can't make actual decisions. If a future them already exists, making decisions, then they don't need creating. You're arguing for the impossible, or for non creation.
Uh huh, so your god thought it would be "good" to knowingly unleash evil (tree), and Satan, onto the world. And, your god lacks the ability to make a different decision, once he sees the future. It's not simply a potential future, according to you.
Do you think Greek mythology is fact, or fiction?
Again, you're arguing that your god is limited. Either your god can subjectively pick and choose whatever he feels is moral, or immoral ... or your god is himself limited by some outside force.
Yeah, I know what kind of ice cream I like. Doesn't change the fact that what I like is subjective. Nobody argues that subjectivity doesn't exist. Our subjectivity (likes, dislikes, biases, desires, etc.) objectively exists.
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@emgtexas The point at issue, is prior to the creation's existence and any actual decisions it could make. It doesn't exist. If you say there's an existing future Adam, making actual decisions, then Adam doesn't need creating. If you say an uncreated, non existent, Adam can make decisions, then you're arguing for the logically impossible. No creation or the logically impossible ... which is it?
And yet, you keep arguing your god does have limits, by claiming the future he sees is a fixed actual future, and not simply a possible future. If Satan sits down and bets God that he can make Job deny him ... then God looks into the future, if Satan's suggestion is accepted, and sees that Job would pass the tests (abuse, suffering, and mrdr) ... Could your god have chosen not to pointlessly trtr Job? Was the future seen only one possibility, or was it the one and only fixed future and your god incapable of choosing to do otherwise? In the end, your god chose to allow for the pointless suffering, just so he could win a bet.
Do you think there's some big difference between Thor and Spock?
Now you're arguing your god has limits, again. If your god isn't subjectively picking and choosing whatever he thinks is moral or immoral, then what ... is some outside influence making him? Does he not have the ability to choose whatever he likes?
Love is subjectivity. Like is subjectivity. Yes, I know I like pizza. It being an objective fact that I subjectively think pizza is good, doesn't magically make it an objective fact that pizza is good.
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@emgtexas And yet you haven't provided a single coherent one. "Through his knowledge of our decision" ... Something that doesn't exist can't make an actual decision. You keep arguing we don't need creating, since we're already existing, and making decisions, in the future.
"we can go"? That's not the same as knowing which way we will go. If there are an infinite possible future outcomes, because your god is infinitely powerful and can create, or not create, whatever he wants ... Then, either your god doesn't know exactly which outcome will happen, prior to creating things, or he has picked a single outcome and created that, in which case there's no possible way for a different outcome to happen.
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@emgtexas And I've repeatedly explained that him having the ability to see the future is already a given, and actually part of the problem. But there you go, yet again, just reiterating that he can see the future, of someone that doesn't exist yet, someone who can't actually make real live decisions. You repeatedly talk as if he's sitting outside the timeline, that the timeline already exists, that the decision maker already exists in that future timeline, which would mean he doesn't need to be created. Also, an all knowing god should know exactly what will happen, before even creating the timeline, since you also claim time needs creating. Even your future Adam couldn't exist, before the timeline exists. Everything you've said is completely incoherent.
What are you talking about? He created the devil. Was there no purpose to doing that?
What's "good" about allowing "evil"? That's like saying we shouldn't cover electrical sockets, so toddlers can have free choice. Or, like saying an ice cream shop should offer 💩 flavor, and we don't have free will if they don't.
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@emgtexas Rofl. If you had actually grasped what you read, you would have grasped that she had already eaten, so already gained knowledge of good and evil, before saying that, dingus. Knowing what someone said, and understanding the ramifications of disobeying them, are two different things. God stated they now know good and evil, "like us" (whoever "is" is), and there's zero indication they knew anything of the sort, prior to eating the fruit.
If your god had actually wanted them to live forever, he would have just snapped his fingers and made them immortal. Instead, he borrowed an ambrosia tree, from other mythologies, and created one for himself.
If the snake was the devil, which it says nowhere and is entirely invented by apologists, then why did your God punish snakes?
But, I'm glad you've now reread that your god created the tree, so therefore created evil, and will stop lying about it.
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@emgtexas If it's possible to have both limits and free will, then you don't need to have limits to evil removed, to have free will, exactly like I said. Already been over this, but you argued against it. Now you're arguing for it. Then you'll argue against it. Then for, then against. You are just about the most inchrnt theist I've ever run across.
It also refers to snakes as just snakes many times in the Bible. You haven't got there? You didn't even manage to finish only 2 pages about the tree and eating the fruit? He cursed snakes to forever slither on the ground and get under the heel of women.
Rofl. "Ambrosia" is an immortality giving food or drink, in Greek mythology. Does the tree of life produce fruit that grants immortality? Yes. Then, it's an ambrosia tree. An all powerful god could just make them immortal, or remove that immortality, by thought. The tree is completely pointless. Just something borrowed from other mythologies, like much of the OT.
He had absolutely no reason to punish them. Your all knowing god would have actually known that Earth 1.0, starting with Adam, would completely fail, and that he'd begin all over with Earth 2.0, starting with Noah. There was absolutely no good reason for anything, no point to anything, prior to Noah, in that fairytale. Being all powerful, he could have seen his failure of a creation, changed his mind, and started with Noah instead. He chose failure.
Rofl. God is depicted as not being very intelligent, in the Bible, and also mad. Did you read how he kept trying to create companions for Adam, and then finally decided on creating Eve for him? If your god knew all that, before actually creating them, why didn't he just create Eve for Adam from the get go?
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@emgtexas Rofl. Genesis 1 and 2 have contradicting orders. You can't use Genesis 1 to claim he already created them. In Genesis 2, the one where the trees and rule come into play, it literally says he made Adam before animals. Then proceeded to make animals, so Adam wouldn't be alone.
“It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
Only then does your god proceed to make animals, looking for a suitable companion, but none are suitable.
"But for Adam no suitable helper was found."
Only then does your god decide to make Eve for him.
You sent me to a video, which literally says only your god has free will. You already lost the debate, so no clue what position you're even arguing now. You've repeatedly pulled complete nonsense out of ... I don't know where, only to back peddle. Your arguments defy logic, and the meaning of words like "created". I've listened, but haven't heard any actual sense. You can't even make it through the 2 whole relevant pages in your own fairytale book, and don't even seem to understand the parts you are reading. You've twice now not understood the order of what it literally says (Eve's words after her gaining knowledge, not before, and animals after Adam). You don't even know that "Allah" is just Arabic for "God". Even Arabic Christians say "Allah". It's the exact same Abrahamic god, not a different god. The same god as the Jewish "Elohim". Sorry to say ... that you're about as sharp as a spoon is just a statement of fact. What's to respect?
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@emgtexas You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid the knife, that they will cut themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only your inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen.
Dingus, why give them the ability to do evil, in the first place? Why include it in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣
Rofl. You think they were smarter than that? There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any smarter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other.
Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you believe you could see all the nations on earth, from the highest mountain, on a sphere? Or, see the tallest tree from everywhere on earth, on a sphere? Those would only be possible on a flat earth. Do you believe all the stars can fall to earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights within the firmament (dome). Do you believe the moon is itself a light? It's not. Do you believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old? It's not. Do you believe that all of mankind, and all animals, rebooted from one tiny starting point, within the last 6000 years? They didn't.
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@emgtexas You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid a sharp object, that they will harm themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only an inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen.
Dingus, why give them the ability to do evil, in the first place? Why include it in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣
Rofl. You think they were smarter than that? There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any smarter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other.
Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you believe you could see all the nations on earth, from the highest mountain, on a sphere? Or, see the tallest tree from everywhere on earth, on a sphere? Those would only be possible on a flat earth. Do you believe all the stars can fall to earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights within the firmament (dome). Do you believe the moon is itself a light? It's not. Do you believe the Earth is only about 6000 years old? It's not. Do you believe that all of mankind, and all animals, rebooted from one tiny starting point, within the last 6000 years? They didn't.
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@emgtexas You left off your foreknowledge, dingus. If you know full well, before handing your kid a sharp object, that they will harm themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only an inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen.
Dingus, why include the ability to do evil in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it. Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will, dingus. You are a great source of endless logical contradictions. 🤣
Rofl. There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any brighter than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other.
Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you truly believe that all the stars in the sky could fall to Earth? That would only be possible if they were tiny little lights, within the firmament (dome), as described in Genesis. In actuality, stars are distant suns, and if one got close enough, it would be the Earth that would fall into it, and it would only take one.
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@emgtexas You conveniently left off your foreknowledge. If you know full well, before handing a kid a sharp object, that they will definitely harm themselves, and you still hand it to them, then ... YES, that's exactly what you wanted to happen. Only an inability to know the future, would allow for it to be an accident, and not something you wanted to happen.
Why include the ability to do evil in "what you have"? Your god clearly didn't want us to teleport around, so didn't give us the ability to do it, didn't include it in "what you have". Then why give us the ability to do evil, if he didn't want us to use that ability? You're now arguing that "free will" is both unaffected by limitations and affected by limitations. Not letting me teleport around, is limiting me only to options according to his will. Zero sense, coming from that end.
Rofl. There's zero evidence of the OT existing prior to the exile in Babylon. Guess what ... The Mesopotamians had a flood myth, a garden myth, a tower of Babel myth, a man made of clay myth, ... No, I don't think they were any different than those around them, who all borrowed and shared myths with each other.
Again ... Jesus believed in the domed flat earth OT model, and in the totally fictional global flood. He was an ignrnt carpenter, turned apclps preacher. Do you believe you could see all the nations on earth, from one spot, on a sphere?
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@emgtexas Even after completely failing at the original free will debate, you keep insisting on proving, over, and over, that there are some serious problems going on, on that end. I mean seriously, my reply opens, "Rofl. Genesis 1 and 2 have contradicting orders.". You didn't even have to open up any replies and read through them, to find it. Now you've just argued that "mankind" was created in Genesis 1, so the Adam created in Genesis 2 wasn't the first man created, and everyone doesn't descend from him and Eve, since the "mankind" in Genesis 1 was told to multiply. Pretty sure that now contradicts other passages. So, why did all the other humans, who were created in Genesis 1, and aren't descendants of Adam ... according to you ... get cursed for Adam being a failure?
Your "genius" is truly unrivaled.
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@emgtexas No matter how many times I tell you that god's perspective is irrelevant, you keep bringing it up. That he can see the future, some way, some how, is exactly what causes the problem. The problem then lies with Adam.
Point A: I am Adam, but I don't yet exist. If I exist in the future, then I don't need to be created. Not yet existing means I can't make any real world choices. However, my creator knows I will choose to do X, at Point B.
Point B: I have now been created, and am faced with a real world choice. If I choose to do ~X, my creator will be wrong. My creator can't be wrong, so I can't possibly choose ~X.
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@emgtexas How do contradictory passages, hundreds of years later, "clear that up"? Biblical contradictions don't clear anything up. They're evidence it's all nonsense.
You've basically got two options for Genesis 1:1 ...
First, he actually creates earth and heaven at 1:1. In that case, you can try and claim that includes the waters, but it makes Day 2 senseless, when he creates heaven again.
Second, 1:1 is like a headline, and everything that follows is how he created earth and heaven. In that case, the primordial waters already exist (like in numerous other mythologies), since the first thing it says he creates is light.
It says, "beginning of what we know". There are multiple hypothesis about before the Big Bang. And, even if you claim that was when time came into existence, that would mean nothing existed "before", not even a creator. To get from point A, no creation, to point B, creation, would require time already existing. It would be impossible for time to be created.
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@emgtexas I'll mark down "if you" as more little words you don't seem to know the definitions of. You are arguing that nothing existed, for any amount of time, prior to creation. That means your god didn't exist for any amount of time, prior to time existing. So, who created your god, since he has a starting point? Only eternity (infinite time) has no starting, or ending, points. I remember when theists used to claim their god was eternal. Now they're claiming he too has a starting point. Weird stuff. Is he like the Egyptian god Ptah, who nonsensicallly created himself?
Water is mentioned before he creates light, and the days start to pass. Before you were arguing there was "THE" Bible. Now you're arguing that, not only are there other versions, but "THE" Bible isn't even translated properly. You can't seem to keep anything straight.
The "primordial waters", or "cosmic ocean", represent chaos, from which the creator god (in multiple mythologies) creates order. Calling it a "void" doesn't debunk my argument. Egyptian mythology: "The void itself was described as a primordial body of water out of which rose up a mound shaped like a pyramid—a benben."
Only 2 original apostles, and supposed NT writers, claimed to have seen undead Jesus, Matthew and John. The only other supposed writer, to make the claim, was Paul. Absolutely nobody else wrote down their testimony. That's just 3 people, not hundreds. I take it you believe in aliens, since you think alien abduction claims are valid evidence.
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@barbaraklein3944 The 100 year bloody history of Likud ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they also later founded Likud. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, they are operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
Hamas is basically just a poor man's Likud, only fighting against colonialism, instead of for colonialism.
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I don't think what Hamas did was morally good, or even strategically good, but it's basically impossible to say it wasn't expected. Violence is the most common response to colonialism, and ethnic cleansing. A Ghandi or Mandela response is far less common, but probably the better strategic response, so that there's no doubt who the aggressor is. A violent response allows Israel to act like the innocent victim, and respond harshly.
Ze'ev Jabotinsky acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and predicted the native response, 100 years ago, in 1923. The native response is generally to fight, until the bitter end. Israel was also founded on terrorism, elected terrorists, like Menachem Begin, and celebrate terrorists. They were the ones who taught their neighbours that terrorism can win you a state.
Israel is basically using the blueprint for colonizing North America. Send out settlers into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives react violently, the cavalry comes in and squashes the "savage" uprising, the border is eventually expanded to include the settlement, then rinse and repeat.
And Gaza is basically an open air prison, similar to the ghettos of WWII. There was the Warsaw ghetto uprising. Jewish prisoners sometimes violently fought back, too. Not quite on par with a lack of proper healthcare.
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@robbinburns6329 It's called exponential growth, ffs. 1 - 400k deaths is an increase of 400000%. 400k - 900k deaths is an increase of 125%. More people died in 2021, because the virus had already spread far and wide in 2020.
It is no argument that the unvaccinated are still being infected, hospitalized, and dying, at higher rates, even with Omicron. You're uninformed.
All the other mandated vaccines also have a very low risk of severe adverse reaction, and even death. It's still much much much lower odds than the odds of severe reaction, or death, due to catching the viruses.
Sure, increase the insurance rates for the obese, or something ... plus have vaccines. It's not an either or scenario.
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@eavesdropper0 Israel is objectively the aggressor by every relevant measure (modern history, law, and current events), dumb dumb ...
Modern history: With the Balfour declaration, Zionsim converted from something like immigration to colonization. 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinians would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors, when it comes to the native population.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed colonialist Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those Irgun terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority in zero districts. Israel was formed by going against the will of the majority population. Its foundation is completely undemocratic. Even then, Jews were still a minority, in "their" half. The only possible way to actually become a Jewish ethno-state, would be to ethnically cleanse away the actual majority. And, that's exactly what happened. Israel has never allowed those people to return.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@Snihawk What a load of horse shit. The IDF has its largest base in a shopping mall, cowardly hiding behind civilian human shields. The IDF has over 400k militants (reservists), amongst its populace, cowardly hiding behind civilian human shields. Israel is objectively the aggressor, by every relevant measure ...
Modern history: 100 years ago, in 1923, Ze'ev Jabotinsky fully acknowledged that Zionism is colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the natives would fight it until the bitter end. He just didn't care what would happen to them, and promoted doing it anyway. Colonizers are never not the aggressors.
On top of the colonialist nature of Zionism, the Zionists also formed terrorist organizations, like the Irgun and Lehi. They bombed many Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who opposed Zionism). Israel merged those terrorists into the new nation's military and intelligence agencies. Israelis elected Menachem Begin, leader of the Irgun, child murderer, Jew murderer, and bomber of the King David Hotel, as PM. Israelis, to this day, celebrate those terrorists as "heroes". Zionists literally taught their neighbours that terrorism is a valid path to independence and statehood, and that terrorists are to be celebrated.
In 1945, it is well documented that Zionists owned just 5% of the land and were a majority nowhere. Israel was formed by actually going against the majority population. It's foundation is completely undemocratic. Then, becoming a majority, in "their" new nation, by ethnic cleansing the actual majority, and then claiming to be democratic, is utter nonsense.
Law: Israel is considered an occupier by the International Court, the UN GA, and the UN SC. Occupiers are also never not the aggressors. Those occupied actually have a right to resist occupation. On the flip side, it is illegal for the occupier to settle occupied lands, and illegal to use collective punishment. Israel is a rogue nation, that doesn't abide by international law. What it has been doing, and is doing now, is illegal.
Current events: This year, alone, prior to Oct 7 ... Israel held over 1200 Palestinian hostages without charges ... over 200 Palestinians had been killed by the IDF and settlers ... over 1000 Palestinians had been displaced by Israel's neverending colonization of the West Bank ... and, Israel continued to operate an open air WWII style fascist ghetto, in Gaza. Even ignoring modern history and law, in no reality did Hamas "start" anything.
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@thorby8583 Germany has tested about 11 people per confirmed case. That's better than Italy, about 7 per confirmed. That's better than Spain, UK, US, Sweden, which are about 5 per confirmed, or lower. Canada, is at 15 per confirmed. Norway, which has just about flattened is at 20 per confirmed. Australia, S Korea, New Zealand, Iceland, all of which have flattened, are testing at 50+ per confirmed case. Germany isn't the best place to start.
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@mimked The downsides are that, if they are allowed to be sold, then that means straw purchases can also be made, getting AR-15s into the hands of criminals and, since 25% of guns used in crimes are stolen, that means the more AR-15s there out in the public = the more AR-15s there are for criminals and, since most violence, including shootings, happens between people who know each other, that means the more AR-15s there are handy, when someone blows their top.
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@2727rogers The system needs to change, but you can't change it from the outside. The broader progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. The most popular third party hasn't won a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence. The shortest path to progressives getting some power, is to take over the Democratic party. At 15 seats away, that's sound about the dumbest time to start from scratch.
What major progressive federal policies have the NDP implemented (don't say Medicare)? Didn't vote splitting, between Liberal, NDP, and the BQ, give Canada 9 years of Stephen Harper? Isn't progressives being part of the same party as more conservative Dems, like having a coalition party, which is entirely a thing in parliamentary politics? Isn't that the smarter thing to do, against a united fascist party, rather than split votes, and hand the country to them?
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@Fuwuzworsh You're the one who replied to me, first, and opened with saying I was strawmanning. How can I strawman you, before ever responding to you? You're incoherent.
Nader changed the Democratic party? The only change I saw was that in 2000, they had a presidential candidate running on climate change as the centerpiece of his platform. Obama and Biden have both been to the right of Gore, on that subject. Gore losing pushed them further right. Likewise, instead of bringing about a progressive wave, as Dore claimed a Trump presidency would bring about, everyone went screaming into Biden's arms. It was an Obama presidency, that ended with a progressive movement forming behind Bernie.
Sure, Biden is a right winger, and letting Trump win, led to Biden. So, the answer is to let Trump, or DeSantis, win again ... let outright fascists who wanted to overthrow the democratic process win again ... because that'll do what, exactly? There's zero evidence letting Republicans win moves Democrats left. There is decades of evidence showing that, when Republicans move things further right, corporate Dems then meet them in the new "middle". There's evidence that a progressive movement can come after a fairly ineffective Dem presidency, and that repeatedly going outright backwards, with Republicans, isn't necessary.
You're both arguing to not vote blue, and then pointing to polls, showing that not voting blue will lead to Republicans winning. Biden simply being ineffective isn't telling people not to vote Dem. You are. You're promoting having a Republican majority, because that'll be sooooo much better.
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@Fuwuzworsh Oh geez. Basically, every economic measure was already trending in the direction it was heading, under Obama. The economy's biggest economic gains came during Trump's first year ... which was still Obama's final budget. Even by Trump's own favorite economic metric, the stock market, it almost flatlined in 2018, when his first budget, and tax cuts, came into play. Then, he had one of the most incompetent covid responses, in the world, tanking the economy more than it should have, and leading to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths. Australia's covid death rate would translate into about 20k total covid deaths in the US, instead of going on 800k. It was handing tons of money to corporations, instead of more money to consumers, under Trump, that allowed demand, and supply, to drop, which is why demand is now higher than supply. But, sure, "objectively" better. F*ck off.
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@Fuwuzworsh It is absolutely not a strawman, to point out the math, or the fact that repeatedly letting Republicans win has accomplished nothing but moving the country further right. Sorry, that you find math and facts "hysterical".
Voting Obama, kept McCain and Palin out of office, and led to a progressive movement under Bernie. What did letting Trump win lead to? Where's the massive progressive wave, Dore claimed would "for sure" materialize and take the house, senate, and presidency? Oh right, that was a fantasy.
That Dore fantasy, btw, was based on the argument that Trump was so much worse than Clinton, it would cause a bigger backlash (it did) ... that was suppose to be majority progressive (it wasn't). Now, your Dore knob argument is that they're tots samesies. So, you're arguing Dore was an idiot, for thinking Trump was far worse? Either way, it seems he was an idiot. You also seem to be sticking to arguing he's an idiot for saying Dems would rather lose to Republicans, than progressives.
Voting Gore would have kept Dubya out of power, and put a president with climate change as their priority, in the white house. Gore and Dubya ... tots samesies.
Sticking with Carter would have kept Reagan out of the white house. Carter and Reagan ... tots samesies.
Voting blue works both ways, for progressives. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries still tend to vote for them in the general. It helps them win general elections. You want to split that voting, which would mostly help Republicans win generals, based on some fantasy that letting Republicans win is what will make corporate Dems change, when there's zero evidence that is the case. You want progressives to have fewer seats, be in a minority party, or be in an insignificant party with zero seats. Yeah, sounds awesome.
Consider the primaries the major battle. It's also the election where there's the most room to increase voter turnout, progressive turnout. If progressives happen to lose, then still vote to keep Republicans out, vote to say you don't want the country moving any further right than a corporate Dem.
Rofl, no. Profanity often comes out, when I hear something unbelievably stupid. And, I'm perfectly calm. Your mental telepathy has failed you. Labor force participation isn't the lowest in history. It isn't even lower than the lowest point, last year. Consumer confidence isn't the lowest in history. It also isn't even lower than the lowest point, last year. You're hysterically making up nonsense. Weird how a "socialist" would actually lie, to try and make Trump look better. Weird how you Dore "socialists" promote things that would benefit Republicans most.
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@Fuwuzworsh Rofl. I don't even like Biden, you dimwitted Dore knob. Trashing him doesn't affect my argument. How is letting Republicans win, a strategy? It's a failed "strategy", that has been repeated, for decades, and has only moved the country further right. Like I said, vote for progressives in the primaries, try to increase progressive voter participation in primaries, when more corporate Dem voters don't come out to vote. It's the best place for progressives to win, not in generals, running as third party candidates. But then, whatever the outcome, vote in the general, to say a corporate Dem is as far right as you're willing to go, to say neutral is better than reverse, to keep whatever progressives there are in the majority party rather than a minority party, and then focus on getting more progressive seats in the next primary. All the evidence points against letting Republicans win being a good "strategy", and shows it causing a Dem shift to the right, not left. All the evidence points towards a progressive movement coming about without needing a Republican in power. All the evidence points towards going third party as being a decades long endeavor, to even win a single seat in congress. The simple math of congress is that a progressive third party would need a majority, to ever be able to pass anything, and that Republicans and corporate Dems could completely ignore them, and pass anything they wanted, otherwise.
Dore cites the definition of insanity, but then proposes doing the same thing, that has been happening for decades. Stop letting Republicans win, even if the current Dems kinda suck. Focus on getting corporate Dems out in the next primaries, rather than just letting them lose to Republicans, which has done absolutely nothing but repeatedly moved the country backwards.
What projection? I, in no way, ever promoted Trump as being better for progressives than Clinton. I, in no way, promoted going on a far right white nationalist's propaganda show, just to largely agree with a bunch of far right talking points. I, in no way, promoted allying with psycho ancap Boogaloos that want to start a civil war, and would likely be shooting lefties, if that civil war ever came about. I, in no way, promoted abandoning Nina Turner, an ardent supporter of M4A, just because she was running as a Dem. I, in no way, promoted Tulsi (public option) over Bernie (M4A).
I promote progressives get out and vote during the primaries, getting more progressives in congress, but never letting the country move further right than a corporate Dem. That's called harm avoidance, and I'll take a Chomsky, or Bernie, over a BGJ, any day of the week.
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@Fuwuzworsh Rofl, talk about strawmanning. Or, do you just have severe reading comprehension problems? I pointed out the fact that letting Republicans win has only moved Democrats to the right. There's zero evidence to support any fantasy that letting Republicans win will move Dems left, or cause a massive progressive backlash.
The numbers argument was about ever being able to pass a progressive policy, as a third party. I made different points, and you're just not addressing that one. Are you simply agreeing, yes, a progressive third party wouldn't be able to accomplish much, even if it magically became popular enough to win a seat in our lifetime?
No, letting Republicans win, and jump further right, has had corporate Dems repeatedly meet them in the new "middle", which is then further right, for decades. It's what you're proposing, that has been done over, and over. I'm proposing never letting Republicans be president, or have a majority in congress. You're proposing doing the same thing, that hasn't moved Dems left, that has moved Dems right, again.
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@Fuwuzworsh So, Tulsi being "anti-war" (complete bullshit), wasn't the end all and be all? It's the whole bullshit reason why Dore gave her a pass on her public option healthcare, and still supported her. War topped healthcare, for him, at that point. But, Clinton having no major unilateral wars, isn't good enough. I see. Nor his economy. He wasn't perfectly perfect. I guess we can expect perfectly perfect candidates, like say Kyrsten Sinema, in third parties, right?
How does being disgruntled, not getting out to vote, letting Republicans win, and having them try to toss 10m poor people off of Medicaid expansion, help prove your point? It proves they aren't samesies, and proves letting Republicans win is stupid.
The ACA could actually be turned into a German like system. Private =/= bad. Unregulated private = bad. The government would just have to enforce a low price on basic coverage, make all the basic coverage the same, etc.
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If the majority of Republican lawmakers are trying to overthrow the democratic process, ditch any of their members that accept the results, and try to protect themselves by not having an investigation, how is that not a Republican policy? When they still seem to have Trump as their leader, even though he's still spewing that the election was stolen, and others of them have rallies, continuing to spread that nonsense, how is that not Republican policy? If Republican lawmakers, across the country, try to curtail voting, using the same nonsense as grounds, how is that not Republican policy?
A perfect illustration of your point is that, since the Dems in the house passed the $15, and since most of the Dems in the senate voted for it, that because it didn't ultimately pass, that's a good reason to let Republicans take the house, senate, and presidency, because ... that'll really show those corporate Dems, that voted against it, what's what? Why didn't letting Trump win show them what's what, after Obama? Why didn't letting Bush win, after Clinton, show them what's what? Why didn't letting Reagan win, after Carter, show them what's what? You seem to having some serious delusion, that doesn't match the reality of the last 50 years, or more. There's absolutely zero evidence, suggesting letting Republicans win, moves corporate Dems to the left. The very fact that a Manchin doesn't give a crap, if he tanks Biden's entire platform, is evidence he doesn't give a crap. He'd probably love losing the progressive wing of the party so he, and his Republican buddies, can pass all the "bipartisan" bills they want, without having to deal with progressives in his party.
You say sticking with blue, has gotten the country where it is, but that's not, at all, reality. The majority of voters have not gone out and voted blue, no matter what. Enough voters have stayed home, or voted third party, to let Republicans win over, and over. It is exactly what you're proposing, letting Republicans win again, that has gotten the country where it is. Nothing you've fantasized coming about, by letting Republicans win, has actually come about, any of those times, but you want to let them win again, because maybe this time things will be different. The majority getting out and voting, and sticking with blue, is exactly what hasn't happened. That's actual history.
Let me be more clear, I'd pick a Chomsky over a dozen BGJs and Chris Hedges. Neither are anywhere close to his weight class and, quite obviously, the vast majority off progressive voters, don't agree with them, or Dore.
I'm blinded? You're the one proposing doing the same thing over, and over, but thinks you're going to get a different result. You're the one following a loudmouth contrarian, who makes out like everyone who disagrees with him is a fake, fraud, or sellout, just like Dumpty. You're the one defending a jagoff who has repeatedly backed the worst healthcare policies, has abandoned adding M4A advocates to congress, but passes himself off as some champion of healthcare, who's leading you down a road to never even winning a seat in congress. The same jagoff who had some grand fantasy about letting Trump win, and absolutely none of his predictions came true, and yet you entertain his new fantasies.
The Puritan People's Party is a joke, with one of its main leaders already leaving the "party", because even they weren't puritan enough for him. The Green Party has produced the likes of Kyrsten Sinema. The reality is that you can't possibly get a third party, of any significance, as puritan as you like, or even guarantee a third party won't have corruptible members. Actual history shows that corporate Dems have repeatedly moved right, after letting Republicans win, not left, even after 3 terms (12 years) of Republicans. Just how many years do you have to let Republicans rule, to get corporate Dems to move left, exactly, in your fantasy scenario? The reality of math says that a progressive third party couldn't accomplish much. As long as there are a handful of corporate Dems, like Manchin, willing to work with Republicans, they coukd pass whatever they wanted, without needing a single progressive third party vote. You seem to have more faith in corporate Dems, than I do. I don't think they're very moveable. I think you need to replace them, and I don't see how going third party will ever accomplish that. Justive Dems have replaced more corporate Dems, in just 4 years, than all third parties combined have, in 50 years.
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@Fuwuzworsh What aren't you grasping? Splitting off progressive votes, will allow Republicans to win. That's just math. It is absolutely a historical fact that Republicans have been allowed to win repeatedly, and it hasn't moved the Dems left, in the least. They have been moving right, along with Republicans. What don't you get about them moving more towards the position of those who beat them, not further away from it? Even just talking elections with left leaning challengers, the Green Party is now 20 years old. They have run against them multiple times. They even possibly spoiled two elections. In what way did those election losses move corporate Dems left? They didn't. There's no evidence to support anything you're arguing, and plenty of evidence against it. You're the one spewing falsehoods and fantasy.
Oh right, they're all in cahoots, and no politicians, no appointed officials, nor any of their aids, have exposed that they're all in cahoots. One of the tightest lipped conspiracies in history. And, your "evidence" is that, since something you wanted didn't get passed, that they must be in cahoots?
I never once argued Biden could be pushed left. You're the idiot arguing corporate Dems can be pushed left. I've argued to replace them. I already stated this, but you either have severe reading comprehension problems, or are completely dishonest, leading to you ironically spewing strawmen, which you erroneously opened complaining about, when I hadn't even addressed you. I'll have to assume the completely dishonest part, at this point. I also haven't budged, to the right. I propose suffering through a corporate Dem majority, until they can be taken out in the primaries. You propose suffering through a Republican majority, and no way of getting rid of them, because voting third party won't get rid of them. You outeight propose entrenching a fascist Republican majority, for some undetermined amount of time, until your fantasy comes to fruition, and then unironically claim I'm the fascist supporter? You're hilarious.
Trump was blamed for the current (2020) state of the country, and people went screaming into Biden's "more electable" arms, desperate to be rid of him, so desperate they didn't want to risk voting Bernie. Letting Trump win, having Stein possibly spoil the election, is what Dore promoted, what you are promoting. None of his fantasies came true. There's zero indication yours woukd, either. Your answer would have been to let Trump win, yet again? Because, next time it'll work, for sure.
Stop pretending that a Republican, like Reagan, couldn't change all kinds of economic policies, and absolutely destroy the country for working people. It doesn't take a Democrat to pass things. You're making up more fiction, implying it does.
You're the one proposing letting "to the right we go" happen, ffs. I'm proposing voters get out and vote not to let that happen. Maybe you do have comprehension problems.
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@Fuwuzworsh I, literally, stated "suffering through corporate Dems". More horrible? Such as? (Weird, how you Dore "socialists" keep making out like Republicans are better. Are you sure you're not one of his far right fans, pretending to be a lefty? Hard to tell with Dore knobs.)
Right wing Dems voting for another round of covid relief is better than every single Republican voting against it. Having a pro vaccine, and pro other covid regulations, leadership, is better than a completely incompetent, anti- everything, encouraging uprisings against governors, "it is what it is", "leadership". Even simply having leadership not trying to toss 10m+ poor people off of Medicaid expansion, is better than leadership trying to. Restoring some environmental protections is better than removing them. Restoring funding to clinics that simply refer women to abortion clinics is better than stripping their funding. Etc. Etc. (There's a bunch of Trump bullshit that Biden quickly reversed, that's better.)
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@Fuwuzworsh Yes, it is possible, hence the fact that there are progressives in congress. DNC shenanigans can't overcome overwhelming numbers. Nina's campaign team, for example, didn't do any canvassing, to get people out to vote. There were hundreds of thousands more potential voters in that district. Barely 70k came out for the primary, and she lost by only 4k. Yes, the corporate Dems, and their allies, threw everything they had, at her, but she had twice as much money, and could have stomped her opponent. Her team blew her money on media ads, and barely spent a dime on canvassing. That's how AOC won her district ... canvassing, canvassing, canvassing ... and barely spent a dime on media ads. Not that it matters to you Dore knobs, since King Jimmy abandoned her ... abandoned adding another M4A advocate to congress ... because that's what "real" M4A supporters do.
Hate to tell you, but the "liberal" brand was destroyed, already. And, they didn't do it on their own. Islamophobes started bashing the hell out of "liberals" after 9/11. Republicans always try to convert normal words into insults. Even Dore is using the word like an insult. Why do you still want to use "liberal", for branding? That sounds dumb.
Stop pretending like Republicans couldn't get NAFTA done. Reagan had already signed a deal with Canada. Bush Sr was headed for a seperate deal with Mexico. Canadian conservatives then came in late and wanted in, to merge the deals into a 3 way deal. Bush Sr simply ran out of time. The deal was passed by a Republican majority. The majority of Dems voted against it. Stop your fiction. Republicans would have passed it, just fine, without a Dem president.
You seriously think NAFTA and Glass-Steagall were worse than the Reaganomics' trickle down myth, and the massive amount of deregulation Reagan pulled off? Reagan had a big hand in destroying the healthcare system, making it so unaffordable, but now healthcare isn't the end all and be all, for you lot. The messaging from Dore, and his knobs, is incoherent. One second anti-war is the end all and be all, and passes are given for shittier healthcare policies, as long as the candidate lies about being anti-war. The next second, healthcare is the end all and be all, and no passes are given, not even for simple strategy disagreement ... anyone who disagrees on strategy is a "fake", "fraud", "sellout", "betrayer", blah blah. Now, you're telling me that neither of those is of primary importance. Now, it's a foreign trade deal, and one specific deregulation that are far worse than the tons of deregulation in the 12 years before, far worse than making healthcare unaffordable, far worse than warmongering. Get your priorities in some coherent order. And, maybe add climate change, as a priority. Republicans have repeatedly rolled back environmental protections, and many still pretend like it's not a thing.
Republicans wouldn't have even tried to change the healthcare system, at all. The ACA not only flattened the rate prices were increasing yearly, a little, it also added 10m poor Americans to Medicaid expansion. Numerous Republican states opted out of Medicaid expansion, for their citizens. The ACA, in no f*cking way, is more conservative than what there was before, and red states turning down more Medicaid for their poor, sure isn't samesies, let alone anywhere close to being better. I'm pretty sure you're one of Dore's far right fans, at this point.
Again, vote blue works both ways. Those who vote against progressives in the primaries, tend to vote for them in the generals. It's exactly what every progressive would have wanted, if Bernie had won the primaries. It's how progressives can beat Republicans, in some tighter districts. I get it, "real" progressives don't actually want any progressives in congress, and want Republicans to rule, for decades to come. So very brave of you, to offer up poor people to be thrown of healthcare, and other, benefits. So very brave of you to offer up going completely backwards on climate change. So very brave of you to offer up those targetted by racist and bigoted policies. All for some misplaced faith you have in corporate Dems, changing their ways. If only a leftist third party can spoil an election for them (already possibly happened, twice), then they will see the light (they didn't).
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@Fuwuzworsh No. The fact is that Reagan had already signed a trade deal, with Canada, which was the starting point. The fact is that Bush was working on a seperate trade deal with Mexico. The fact is that it was Canada who then came in and wanted to merge the deals into a three way deal, which pushed negotiations passed the end of Bush's first term. If Bush had a second term, there's zero evidence negotiations would have magically failed and the three way deal wouldn't have gone through as planned. Everything was already in the works, and supported by the majority of Republican lawmakers. There's zero evidence it required a Democrat to finalize the deal. That's totally fiction, on your part.
In 1980, US healthcare costs were rising on par with other developed nations. They started spiking before the end of Reagan's time in office. If US healthcare costs were half what they are now, that would be less incentive for businesses to move elsewhere. If US healthcare costs were half what they are now, people could better afford to weather a drop in property prices. You know Canada also lost some factories to Mexico, right? However, they don't have hundreds of thousands of people going bankrupt over healthcare costs. They don't have tens of thousands of people dying due to a lack of healthcare coverage. They don't have over a million people, like cancer victims traveling to India for chemo, for affordable healthcare. Etc. But hey, no, healthcare is suddenly now way down the list of importance, for Dore knobs.
Neutering Glass-Steagall was not directly responsible for the 2008 crash. It was responsible for banks becoming "too big to fail", but had little to do with the housing market. The Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act, was a Republican bill. Almost every single Republican lawmaker voted for it. Why the hell would a Republican president have been unable to sign it into law? Would his hand have magically dropped off, or something, if he tried to sign it? You make zero sense, claiming a Dem president was required, to do this or that. If Republicans wanted to pass it, but somehow couldn't, what was the obstacle?
Have you looked at John McCain's voting record, who he picked as a VP, etc.?
You clearly don't know what an "ad hominem" actually is. You should refrain from using the term.
Nina has been on multiple progressive channels, since her loss. There's zero evidence she still "loves" Jimmy, since he publicly abandoned her. Some video of Jimmy's wife, talking to her sometime before they publicly abandoned her, isn't evidence she still does. Most people aren't fond of being publicly abandoned. She seems to be on the "fake", "fraud", "sellout", progressive channels, rather than his. Seems to indicate she loves those who supported her to the end, more.
Again, I'm the one who wants to replace M4A no votes with M4A yes votes. Your the one that doesn't want even a single M4A yes vote in congress, and wants to let Republicans rule for decades to come. You're the one supporting an idiot who promoted tossing 10m of the poorest Americans off of Medicaid expansion, as the better option.
Republicans are not the party of workers. Their healthcare plan will be out in a couple weeks (repeat this for years). Every single one voted against a national $15 minimum, or it would have passed. You're making up nonsense. Sounding even more like a far right fan, with every post.
I know exactly who corporate Democrats are. I'm the one who wants to keep replacing them with more progressives ... force them out ... toss them in a ditch. You're the one actually proposing a fantasy that you can move them left, by letting them lose, even though there's zero evidence of their previous losses moving them left.
Again ... blue, no matter who, works both ways, and is how some progressives manage to win their seats. It's the only possible way Bernie could have won a general election. I can only assume you never wanted Bernie to win.
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@Fuwuzworsh Even if the broader progressive caucus isn't puritan enough, for you, the Justice Dems, who don't take any corporate donations, have won more seats in 4 years, than the most popular third party has in 50. AOC, alone, won more seats, in her first year, than the most popular third party has in 50. Even just 1 seat is immeasurably times better than zero seats, zero bills, zero amendments, zero votes, zero influence, ...
They didn't know shit. They were brainwashed by lying scum Republican leadership, that the election had been stolen. Their cult leader tried to overthrow the democratic process and install himself as an unelected dictator, and you're lumping the other guy amongst the worst authoritarians in history, because of what? Masks, vaccines, or some stupid nonsensical bullshit? You're a right wing loon, faking being progressive.
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@Fuwuzworsh Rofl. You say I don't grasp things, but I'm the one, literally, calling them "corporate Dems", and I'm the one who doesn't think corporate Dems are changeable. They need to be replaced. You're the one promoting some fantasy, where they suddenly see the light, and change their ways, after losing an election (which has never happened anytime they've previously lost elections).
A cult is when one loudmouth convinces tens of millions of people not to believe any other politicians, any election officials, any judges, any lawyers, any scientists, any doctors, any media ... even to not believe their own lying eyes, if they contradict the words of their supreme leader. Yeah, the Trump cult is a cult. You're definitely one of Dore's far right fans.
There are already vaccine mandates for public school kids. There are already vaccine mandates for immigrants. You have to show ID to drink, drive, smoke, gamble, hunt, fish, carry a gun, etc., etc. The law makes you cover your junk in public. Businesses can require shirts, shoes, suits, ties, or whatever dress code. They can require their own ID, membership. Schools can have dress codes. You're clearly deranged and making a mountain out of a molehill. Did you know that Australia's covid death rate would translate into about 20k total US covid deaths? Instead, it's pushing 800k ... over 700k unnecessary deaths and you're crying about things that have already been going on for decades and decades.
Listening to a broad, worldwide, consensus of the vast majority of scientists and doctors, is exactly not like a cult, that hangs on the word of a single, or very few, uninformed dufus. Seems like you're a fan of two cult leaders.
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@Fuwuzworsh Which Republicans aren't "professional elites"? What are some pro worker Republican policies?
Yeah, fascists tend to draw in disgruntled members of society, by blaming others for all their woes. Guess what, they don't end up doing anything for them. Dore is the kind of "leftist" that ends up on the wrong side of a Night of the Long Knives, dabbling with extremist ancap Boogaloos, that want to start a civil war, and white nationalists, like Tucker. They'd be shooting a lot of leftists, and minorities, if they ever got their civil war.
Republicans voted against a public option. Republicans all voted against the $15. Oh sure, they'll end listening to doctors and scientists, just like they've done with climate change. Freedumb!!
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@Fuwuzworsh Again, like I said, even if the broader progressive caucus isn't puritan enough, for you, a dozen Justice Dems, that don't take any corporate donations, is still an immeasurably better start, than starting from scratch, with a fantasy scenario. As for the broader progressive caucus, a minority doesn't have the power to pass anything they want, they don't have the power to block bipartisan bills that don't need their votes to pass. They can block some highly partisan bills, but that's it. So, if a Manchin doesn't care if that highly partisan bill gets passed, you want to see progressives take an all, or nothing, stance, and likely get absolutely nothing. You want to see mainstream media (mainstream = the media the majority of Americans consume) blaming progressives, over, and over, and over, for nothing getting passed, and think that will benefit progressives?
Once again, you show your "bravery", your willingness to sacrifice those without clean drinking water getting clean drinking water; your willingness to sacrifice those without broadband getting broadband; your willingness to sacrifice making even small improvements for the environment and stick to the do absolutely nothing about climate change status quo; your willingness to sacrifice poor families having a hard time paying for childcare getting free childcare; your willingness to sacrifice the elderly, and disabled, getting home care benefits; your willingness to sacrifice the homeless, and those struggling with housing, getting more affordable housing; your willingness to sacrifice hungry children getting food; your willingness to sacrifice those who need hearing aids getting free hearing aids; etc; etc; etc. Your "I'm taking my ball and going home, because I didn't get exactly what I wanted" attitude, is so incredibly "brave". So much better, for the poor, hungry, homeless, elderly, and disabled, to get absolutely nothing, at all, than to get small improvements.
Wait ... what? You harped on me about mentioning the mathematical reality of needing a majority, and now your fantasy is to completely replaced the Democratic party with some perfectly perfect puritan progressive party ... which would mean replacing the current majority. You repeatedly argued that you wouldn't need a majority, that you'd just have to make them lose enough, to force them to change (that decades of history doesn't support). Now your fantasy is to not only magically get all progressive votes, but all Democratic party votes? That's pretty ambitious, I must say. Incredibly unrealistic, and you're seeming incoherent, but ambitious nine the less.
Yes, they have been challenged by the left, in primaries (when the majority of progressives do their voting), and lost to a number of progressives. Whether you accept there's 100, a dozen, 8, or even 1, progressives in congress, all those numbers are better than zero. If you don't accept there are any, then you're likely too puritan, and unlikely to work with the vast majority of other progressives, to ever accomplish anything.
The constitutionality of vaccine mandates have been challenged before. None were found to be unconstitutional. You don't get a vaccine, you can't go to public school, but can go to private school = you don't get a vaccine, you can't go to work, but can start a business from home.
The polio vaccine was given to millions of kids within a couple years of it being developed. Phase I testing of current vaccines started over a year ago. In your "expert" opinion, how long does it take, exactly, to deem a vaccine safe? And, actually, the covid mortality rate is about 1%, while the polio paralysis rate is about 0.5%, and the polio mortality rate is about 0.05%. Plus, the polio vaccine is also multiple shots, not just one, and they do keep track of whether your due for a new dose.
There are absolutely tons of rules for the road, as well as licensing, safety standards, and insurance requirements, while the automobile accident mortality rate is only 0.25%. Not being allowed to just hop in an uninsured, unsafetied, vehicle, without a license, and go drinking and driving, without a seatbelt, driving at any speed you want, and ignoring whatever lights or signs you want, is so authoritarian, when the mortality rate is so low, am I right?
The military are required to get vaccines, and take shots for this, or that, when traveling abroad. All kinds of businesses require you to wear protective gear, for your job and a bunch are mandated by OSHA (no, they didn't pull out, they're awaiting a court decision and, no, a common stay doesn't mean anything has been decided about constitutionality). Seriously, there are a crap ton of rules and laws, in society. The vast majority are no big deal, but have to be followed daily.
Also, if you're eating hot dogs, eating fast food (any restaurant food, for that matter, where you're just trusting what's being handed to you), drinking pop or even tap water, taking whatever drugs your doctor prescribes, etc., etc., but then make a big fuss about not knowing exactly what's in a vaccine (that has an ingredients list) that has passed safety standards across the world, then I think you're just a big baby, and babies can't make decisions for themselves, or the community. Only some extreme health nut, who watches everything that goes into their body, and knows what every little thing is, has some unhypocritical grounds for wanting to know exactly what's in a vaccine, that has passed global safety standards. Grow the f*ck up, already. Over 700k unnecessary deaths, over 140k orphans, and you're crying about nonsense.
Again, Republicans just voted against a national $15. They, and conservative Dems, just negotiated a public option out of the BBB. Keep dreaming.
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@MuffinEnjoyer There was a massive land and peoples survey, done in Palestine, in 1945. The Jewish population were majority landowners, nowhere, in no district. That means, even after partition, they would be the minority in their part. They needed to rid themselves of the actual majority, to become a Jewish state. They did, and have never let them return. Hitler also held elections, after purging his political opponents. Didn't make Nazi Germany actually democratic.
All Palestine territories are considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even by the governments of Israel's allied nations. They control the Gaza border, airspace, ports, electricity, water, imports and exports (only people can go through Rafah), and Bibi even controls the flow of money from Qatar, having turned it off and on, multiple times. Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto.
People living in those occupied territories don't actually get to vote for the real authority over them, Israel, which is also anti-democratic. The entire partition was done against the wishes of the majority population, which was also anti-democratic. Israel has been a fake democracy, from the start.
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@mroctober3583 Her PAC just helped more progressives get elected against DNC backed corporate Dems, while Jimmy was basically campaigning against Trump's only valid opponent, yet again. The organization she is a member of, the Democratic Socialists of America, have been having M4A rallies, that M4A champion Jimmy Dore hasn't been covering because he's too worried about Colbert crying or kissing Obama's (who isn't a fucking politician anymore) ass. So, you think lying, by calling her a "fake" or a "shill", undermining the credibility of the few actual progressives in congress, is great motivation is it?
And what if asshole Pelosi considers it a bluff? Do AOC, and 10 others go through with abstaining and let a Republican become speaker of the house? Or do they vote for her and look like idiots? I get Jimmy doesn't give a crap if Republicans win (he has his nice new $2m house and has healthcare either way), but do all his fans agree?
If Pelosi takes the threat seriously, holds the vote, it loses, then you've got yourself a list of names looking very much like the list of names you've already got, and then you campaign against those people, run progressives against them, which AOC is already doing ... you hold rallies, which the DSA is already doing ... until you get enough support to pass M4A? Why not just promote the rallies already happening, instead of stupidly worrying about Buttigieg's transportation qualifications, and spending time trashing the most progressive politians going instead of the least progressive? Why not promote those progressive candidates, instead of whining about Obama speeches (again, not a politician anymore)?
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@jeffvonbergen291 Yeah, I do. I spelled it out. Do you have severe reading comprehension problems? The other dimwit was making out like Republicans and corporate Dems are samesies. They aren't. Corporate Dems suck, but they aren't samesies.
How does sitting in an irrelevant third party do anything about Manchin? Even if you magically got enough people on board so that all the progressive caucus seats were actually some perfectly perfect puritan progressive third party, the PPPP party, here's what you'd have ... Trump as president, due to vote splitting in the general, between Bernie and Biden. One seat in the senate, and Pence as the tie breaking vote. In the house, you'd have a Republican plurality, which would only have to work with a handful of corporate Dems, to pass whatever they want. The PPPP would be completely irrelevant. They'd need to become the majority of the house and senate, to be able to pass anything. So far, the most popular third party hasn't won even a single seat in congress in its near 50 year existence.
Within the party, the progressive caucus is about 15 seats away from becoming the majority of house Dems. They could then pick the party speaker candidate, and set the party agenda for the house. If Dems are the majority of the house, that also means that speaker can assign committee seats, introduce whatever bills they want, and sideline whatever bills they want. There's more power in 15 more seats, within the party, than 100 seats outside the party.
Whatever you think of current progressives, running as a Dem is very clearly the more effective way to win a seat in congress, and taking over the party is the shorter path to getting any power.
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Aaron Dickson Firstly, those are private places, open to the public, not actual publicly owned places. You have zero right to be on someone else's private property. Secondly, you can exist with a mask on, dimwit. Thirdly, smoking indoors was banned pretty much everywhere, because it has the potential to harm others. There was no mass smoker uprising, over their freedumbs and "right" to exist indoors. No, smokers accepted that they're doing something that's potentially harmful to others. Anti-maskers and anti-vaxxers are self centered babies, who don't give a crap about anyone but themselves.
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Scandinavian countries can have less government involvement in labour, because they have huge unionization rates. In Sweden, those unions negotiated a highly successful retraining program, paid for by employers. Denmark has 30% of the population working public sector jobs ... double the US percentage. In Norway, their main oil company is majority publicly owned and operated.
Those unions have also negotiated higher wages. Having employers pay employees, and then taxing the employees, taxing better paid consumers, has the employers paying into the circulation of money. Trying to tax a business, with a corporate tax they can then find ways to dodge, doesn't have them paying into the circulation. The top 3000 US corporations are hoarding $2.7t. Unions also reduce the disparity between worker and exec compensation, and Scandinavian countries are all below the OECD average for income inequality. They also have lower male-female inequality.
Just how much wealth the billionaires have is also relevant. Those countries all have lower wealth inequality. Denmark has the highest wealth inequality amongst the Scandinavian countries, but their 1% only owns 6% of Denmark's wealth, compared to 20% in the US.
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@bgfarm857 Lol, you seem to forget that Obama's last budget ran through most of 2017. Trump hasn't even had 2 full years of budgets, yet. The stock market has basically flatlined since Trump's first budget and trade wars started. Only a small, less than 1%, reduction in the unemployment rate, for anyone, has come under Trump's budget. His main economic accomplishments have been increasing the deficit with tax cuts for corporations and the rich ... cuts which were used to buyback stocks that still only managed to keep the stock market level ... because Trump repeatedly shocked the stock market down with tariffs, or tariff threats. China isn't just waiting around. They're setting up shop, and trade deals, with Russia and Brazil. The longer Trump's stupid trade war drags out, the less chance farmers will ever get that business back. He has kicked poor people off welfare, and put farmers on welfare.
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Works in Russian winters, every time.
But, what I thought was lacking is undead animals. If all humans retreated, they should still be able to pick up thousands of undead animals, as they move forward. Mastodons, worgs, wolves, bears, horses, cows, cats, dogs, all kinds of rodents, crazy undead chickens, etc. If they included that, then you'd want to confront them as soon as possible, so their army doesn't get larger as it goes.
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@luchi.el.zorrito If demand didn't drop, and people spent just as much money, buying just as much stuff, then what caused the economy to tank? If there was simply a shift, but the exact same amount was bought and sold, that shouldn't affect the entire economy. And, as with most recessions, the inflation rate dropped to near zero (not a good thing in a capitalist system), because businesses were trying to get people to buy stuff, so didn't increase prices.
If supply didn't drop, and kept nice and steady, then why isn't supply meeting demand?
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@Nanofuture87 Yes, it does mean that some people had zero rights in the societies that didn't recognize them as having rights. That's exactly why they had to fight to get rights. They did not come naturally, and society did not act as if they believed in some centuries old philosophy that those people had natural rights. You were originally talking about societies based on centuries of believing in such a philosophy, and now you're denying societies can have philosophies.
Again, without a society deciding what is a right, and what isn't, all you have is a bunch of individuals with freedoms. Claiming land, which Libertarians believe in, violates other people's ability to freely access said land. Claiming resources, which Libertarians believe in, violates other people's ability to freely access said resources. Even Libertarians don't believe that freedoms equate to rights, cherypick which freedoms they think is a right, which they don't, and who is deserving of them.
Societies have done Libertarianism, and it sucked. Only kids with money were educated. Only poor people who could find a rich sponsor could get healthcare. Landlords could charge whatever the hell they wanted. Employers could pay whatever the hell they wanted. People could claim lands that natives used to freely travel and live upon. Businesses were free to discriminate, pollute, destroy the environment, smash unions. Etc. Etc. Etc. And, no, the market didn't self police itself. There was zero indication of any widespread belief in natural rights, unless greed, making money, and shitting on the poor, is some keystone to natural rights.
In an environment where property is privately owned, and almost all property is already claimed, how is being forced to abide by the rules of all the property owners, and business owners, to make a living to survive, complete ownership over yourself? Sure, you have the "right" to not deal with them, and go off and die somewhere. Big woop.
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@Nanofuture87 I am distinguishing. That there are no rights without the recognition of rights, is evidenced by thousands of years of history. You could blather all day long about about slavery violating your rights, as you toiled in the cotton fields, but you clearly wouldn't have any rights, until they were recognized by society. Even you are requiring a group of like minded people to recognize "natural rights", to have a society based on them.
Sucked, according to the natives. Sucked, according to the poor and uneducated. Sucked, according to the poor and unhealthy. Sucked, according to massive labor movements and rioting. Sucked, according to massive protests by minorities and women against discrimination. I did not mention simply that it sucked, but that there was no indication of a belief in natural rights, other than the "right" to screw people over. Are you arguing for anarcho-capitalism, or Libertarianism? The later could still have a government that sides with business owners, land owners, corporations, etc. Still have a justice system that sides with their "right" to bust unions, sides with their "right" to use children as labor, sides with their property "rights", etc.
Yes, Libertarians do pick and choose which freedoms they consider rights, and which they don't. Can't you claim the property the entire apple tree is on, and deny everyone else an apple, not just your singular apple, and force them to pay for an apple if they want it? Can't you claim a water source, and force everyone else in the area to pay for water?
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@jknowstheway1462 You know the colonization of North America took centuries, right? Likud's bloody 100 year history ...
In 1923, 100 years ago, Ze'ev Jabotinsky wrote, The Iron Wall, and a follow up, The Ethics of The Iron Wall (sooo racist towards Africans), in which he fully acknowledged that post Balfour Zionsim was colonialism, and that, based on the entirety of history, the native Palestinian population would resist being colonized until the bitter end. He directly compared it to the colonization of North America. He promoted doing it anyway, claiming Zionist colonialism was a "just" colonialism (he also thought North American colonialists were good guys, so not a great judge of morality), not caring what that meant for the native population.
Ze'ev is important, because his Betar militant youth group helped found the Irgun terrorist group, along with other supporters of his, and the splinter Lehi terrorist group. The Irgun bombed numerous Palestinian markets and other public places, murdering many Palestinian civilians, including children, even including Palestinian Jews (who didn't support colonialist Zionsim).
The Irgun are important, because they ended up being led by future Likud PM, Menachem Begin, who bombed the King David Hotel. The King David Hotel was bombed because the British had raided the Jewish Agency and seized numerous documents that may have shown that the terrorists were working with the JA and Haganah (JA liked to pretend that they didn't support the terrorism). The British then stored those documents at their base, in the hotel. That the Irgun terrorists responded to a JA raid, itself seems to prove the connection. That the thousands of Irgun (and Lehi) terrorists were also quickly merged into the new nation's military (IDF) and intelligence (Mossad) agencies, and are still celebrated as "heroes" by Israelis, to this day, also seems to support total collaboration between the groups.
That other terrorist group mentioned, Lehi (also known as the Stern Gang), was considered even more extreme. They even tried to ally with the Nazis, against the British. Lehi ended up being led by Yitzhak Shamir, future Mossad agent, and another future Likud PM. They assassinated Lord Moyne, and others.
In 1945, there was a major land and peoples survey done in Palestine. It showed that the Zionists only owned about 5% of the total land, 20% of the arable land, and owned a majority in zero districts. The partition was not only going to be forced on the native Palestinian majority, but Jews were still going to be a minority, in the part allocated to them. The only possible way to even become a "Jewish state" was going to require getting rid of the actual majority (at least enough so that there'd be a solid Jewish majority, so they could fake being democratic).
This is also shown by the 1948, post Nakba, population of Israel. If there was 716,700 Jews, 156,000+ non-Jews, and approximately 700k non-Jews ethnically cleansed, that means the Jewish population, in the Zionist portion of partition, was originally over 100,000 less than the non-Jewish population. To believe that there was never any intent, by Zionists, to ethnically cleanse away the Palestinian majority would require believing that they never intended to create a "Jewish state". It's a nonsensical notion.
Begin, and those terrorist groups, also opposed partition, but for the opposite reason Palestinians did. Palestinians didn't want to be colonized, at all. The terrorists wanted to colonize it all. "Moderate" Zionists were okay with colonizing half ... for now (what would happen in the future, after partition, was up to them, said Ben-Gurion). The Zionist terrorists were also involved in massacres, and assassinations, during the partition violence (colonialist war against the natives).
Another notable future Likud PM, also started in the military, during the partition fighting. That was Ariel Sharon, war criminal, "Butcher of Beirut".
Menachem Begin, and these other Zionist terrorists, are important because they became involved in Israeli politics, first forming Herut. That was the party that Albert Einstein, and other prominent American Jews, opposed, having a letter printed in the NYT, in December of 1948, when Begin came to visit the US. The letter opened ...
"Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine."
Herut merged with other extremist parties, over the years, and eventually became Likud, in the 70s. Now, people get upset over the slogan "From the river to the sea!", but it's the second part that's most important, "Palestine will be free!". Because "Palestine" isn't defined as an ethno-state, a free Palestine can be a single state, free for all to live in, and return to, free of continuing colonization, free of occupation, free of oppression, etc. Just like a Germany free of Nazism, an Italy free of fascism, a South Africa free of apartheid, or an America free of slavery from sea to shiny sea. It doesn't necessitate purging all the Jews. It just necessitates them giving up on the idea of an ethno-state.
On the other hand, because "Israel" has been defined as an ethno-state, Likud's, "between the sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty", has no possible good interpretation. It is a declaration of intent to completely colonize, and ethnically cleanse, all Palestine territories. Not only that, but it also claims that they have a "right" to all of the "Land of Israel" (biblical borders that don't mesh with archaeological reality), which is an open declaration of future wars, against Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and possibly even Iraq.
Likud platform ...
1977: "The Right of the Jewish People to the Land of Israel (Eretz Israel)
a. The right of the Jewish people to the land of Israel is eternal and indisputable and is linked with the right to security and peace; therefore, Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty.
b. A plan which relinquishes parts of western Eretz Israel, undermines our right to the country, unavoidably leads to the establishment of a "Palestinian State," jeopardizes the security of the Jewish population, endangers the existence of the State of Israel. and frustrates any prospect of peace."
"Settlement
Settlement. both urban and rural. in all parts of the Land of Israel is the focal point of the Zionist effort to redeem the country, to maintain vital security areas and serves as a reservoir of strength and inspiration for the renewal of the pioneering spirit. The Likud government will call on the younger generation in Israel and the dispersions to settle and help every group and individual in the task of inhabiting and cultivating the wasteland, while taking care not to dispossess anyone."
1999: "The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Thus, for example, in matters of foreign affairs, security, immigration, and ecology, their activity shall be limited in accordance with imperatives of Israel's existence, security and national needs."
"The Jewish communities in Judea, Samaria, and Gaza are the realization of Zionist values. Settlement of the land is a clear expression of the unassailable right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel and constitutes an important asset in the defense of the vital interests of the State of Israel. The Likud will continue to strengthen and develop these communities and will prevent their uprooting."
All Palestine territories are officially considered occupied, by the International Court of Justice, the UN GA, the UN SC, and even in official documents of Israel's own allies. Likud is still using the blueprint for colonizing North America, in the West Bank. Move settlements out into native territory, piss off the natives, the natives retaliate, cry about poor "innocent" colonizing settlers being the "victims" of violent "Savages!", call in the cavalry to put down the native uprising, and eventually expand the borders to include those settlements. Rinse and repeat. In Gaza, Israel is operating an open air WWII style fascist ghetto. Them claiming a "right to defend themselves" would be like the Nazis claiming a "right to defend themselves " from the Warsaw ghetto uprising. There's no "war". That they're the occupiers means the "war" part is long over. Those people are actually supposed to be under the occupier's protection.
That partition was forced upon the Palestinian majority, against their will ... that the Zionist portion still had to be forcefully ethnically cleansed of its non-Jewish majority, against their will ... that the millions of occupied Palestinians don't have a say in the government that truly rules over them, Israel's ... means Israel is about as democratic as Nazi Germany after Hitler purged his political opponents and then held elections.
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