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@ravenn2631 who are you talking to. You're supposed to tag people.
Also this is internet.
Emotional ridicule of ideas is fine.
Go ahead, ridicule atheists here.
None of them, not you, or the atheist, will do it in real life probably to their friends. They know their boundaries.
That said, I'd be fine if people left each other alone...
But they don't.
There's no real need to defend your god, or the idea of God.
If God does exist, he/they certainly wouldn't care. I'd just let these guys be. ..and focus on those who are closer to God, there's loads.
These guys have legitimate grievances against religions, I don't care to state them - they will tell you,
And you cannot argue those emotions away with logic, or mentions of Einstein - a spiritual panentheist,
They are seeing the worst of religions. Show them the better side.
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@drelephanttube
Your view of any God is western (King figure ruling), in eastern views, all are God, the person here is part of God, and we (self) are on a journey to reunion with our supreme self. Karma reigns and you get pulled back here for what good or wrong you do by being born, again and again, until you're done, and have no karma.....pull , good neutral or bad.
You become spiritual... Heatdeath, you have no more desire for action, kind of, that's what Nirvana means: dousing the flames. Heatdeath. Chemical action in the universe itself aims to reach this state, so does the spirit.
In such a case would you still say that thing is malevolent? Nah man.
The spiritual mechanism for Karma can also be found in people, You know how traumatised people either shut it off completely or recreate the situation of their trauma in an effort to conquer it, person getting abusive boyfriends after they had abusive fathers and so on,
That's like Karma, you get reborn, and you are recreating your situation to conquer it.
Discourse is a high virtue, for without discourse there's war so feel free to talk, or disregard this even.
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@richardshane2080 I agree to your point. This is long but not the usual leftist crap people give you...I am not a leftist..so if you want, hear me out and at the end of it, please tell me what you think.
In a capitalist society, we value equal opportunity and rightly so. We realize absolute equality is not possible but equal opportunity is and that is a goal everyone can agree on.
Capitalist democratic societies have stood the test of time. We have prevailed against societies like the Soviet Union..but we need to retain the very element that make us so competitive, and that is innovation and the willingness to bend and make amends when necessary.
The free market is a cornerstone and foundational pillar for equal opportunity in a scarcity society. We do not have infinite resources and thus need the free market to allocate resources.
Why does the market work?
It works because The market is people. The market is not a bunch of corrupt communist bureaucrats deciding who gets to eat.
The free market is people who open small businesses and large ones. It is people who take decisions they think are best. Since economic decisions are not central and since innovation is being used, the market works.
But the market is only as good as the people in it.
Let me repeat that.
The market is people and it is only as good as the people in it. Companies are people. If these very people are trained, educated, happy and healthy, the market is sure to prosper.
If they are not. The market will collapse. We cannot live on automated machines alone. We do not know how...yet.
Let us agree that the government is an entity that WILL tax you regardless of whatever you think. There is no country on this planet where there is no taxation. If you are a libertarian, well and fine but the USA is a highly regulated, advanced economy and the government exists for a reason.
Regulation is a different issue altogether. Let us not go into it now.
If taxation is inevitable, and it is unless you wish to go to jail, it is better for the money collected be used for the benefit of the people, who are after all, the market. They are what the free market exists to serve and cannot do without.
This means easier access to healthcare and education. You cannot work if you are not trained. You cannot work if you are unhealthy. You cannot work well if you are unhappy.
The market needs trained human capital, along with other things to progress properly and bring about the benefit of all who participate in it.
If there is a deficiency in human capital, the market cannot perform its function well and all will suffer.
Since we are being taxed. It is logical that the tax be used towards the betterment of human capital.
In this case, the tax should be used to make people educated, trained, healthy and happy.
If tax is used towards these purposes. The free market is likely to prosper.
Also remember. The free market is an institution that is meant to redistribute resources in an efficient way.
That is it's very purpose
Every economist agrees however that it is not infallible. Nothing is. It can achieve high degrees of efficiency but there are still structural gaps where the market fails, and it is these gaps which must be addressed by other means.
One of these means is taxation and the use of income to plug the gaps.
Here's a harsh reality. Opportunities are not equal in our capitlaist societies.
We would like to believe that the creation of the free market creates equal opportunity, and it does but it alone is not sufficient.
You need to plug those holes in our system which people are falling through. You need to plug the holes which are getting bigger and dangerous. Income inequality is increasing. We economists deal with facts and that is a fact no one will disagree with.
Let us plug the holes for Christ's sake. This is actual human lives we are talking about.
This is a parent struggling to feed and clothe their kid. This is people with dreams and aspirations, people just like you who feel and are in pain.
Let us use our inevitable taxation to help each other and in doing so, help ourselves.
Sure some will abuse the system but guess what, if they had a value based education that helped them grow as a person and gain character, they would most likely not do so.
Humans are nothing without each other. No man is an island.
We do live in a society. Your neighbour being well off is good for you because they will buy your service or employ you, and other people.
You might be wealthy in a poor country with poor neighbours and equally wealthy in one where your neighbours are wealthy too. You will be happier if others are happier. No one wants to live in a gold house surrounded by poverty.
I know what you are thinking, governments are inefficient in healthcare. I agree.
They most certainly are but that is because government employees don't have the same consequences as regular employees. Government owned corporations should have employees who can be fired and they should have incentives. Make them more like regular businesses and a lot of inefficiency will vanish.
Do you have any questions or comments?
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@PiriPirix3 I suppose I was harsh. Don't judge me from 3 sentences.
I am from the third world, India and I don't like this jaded world where kids starve on the street beside me and my fellows don't give a shit....where we, the upper middle class Indians sit in our cars and pretend everything is okay.
There are 600 million people here who live in hellish conditions with about 2 dollars a day. At least animals have hygiene in their forest and access to clean water.
I have no problem with animals. Love them all you want. I have a problem with humans.
Will you deny people are very very apathetic nowadays to the plight of humans and care more for kittens and puppies (not animals in general, they would just eat them and be fine with them being raised in hellish conditions, they just like some animals which they find adorable)....? Caring for the animals is fine. That our social structure is such that humans are not encouraged to be more loving and we are so guarded is something I don't like.
It seems something is very wrong to me with us, and I will state that. That is my opinion, feel free to disagree.
I was saying humans tamed the wolf and made it much better. My comment doesn't imply anything else.
Also mate, I don't have any registration to send to you, and I don't want any fake donation promises. When the time comes and if it is right, you'll hear of them.
My NGOs are Virohana, Angelmark and Puplov. Too small and unregistered. Recently started since I am a college graduate and I'm working on the sites.
Puplov is helping stray puppies by letting kids play with them in a controlled way in parks, and taking donations from their parents on the spot, and shelter for the unwanted animals, later on perhaps therapy dogs, guard dogs, dogs for orphanages and cat cafes. Free adoptions of the pups on the spot and purchasable pure breeds will be available along with care tips to kids, and eventually raising money from affiliate care products.
Virohana is self help gig economy for Indian women.
Angelmark is a brainchild. An NGO social media and content marketing platform where people who actively work for change can get together and discuss on their chosen things, and then make marketing campaigns for chosen NGOs.
There will be a angel marks system for who raises the most money etc, and rating companies on their eco friendlyness and corporate social responsibility schemes.
Rating NGOs too, I think that exists. Connecting celebrities and fanbases so donations can be leveraged. Kind of what Mr beast does...but letting others do that in a smaller way
It is crowdsourcing the marketing part of NGOs, A part of donations will go to those who help. Small NGO visibility.
Anyway. Don't judge and I won't judge you.
The world ain't as simple as it seems.
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No place does more oppression than Islamic countries. Every single minority in every Islamic country is oppressed everywhere to more or less.
If any thing deserves suppression, it is this braindead, antiscientific, divisive, misogynistic, homophobic, conflict creating religion. No place in the modern world.
This is why every single Islam majority region in a country not with Islam majority has big separatist problem. Xinjiang, Chechnya, North Nigeria, South Phillipines, North Thailand, Rakhine, Palestine, Kashmir...
Everywhere this religion causes problems and then suppressing happens but people don't see why.
Good that europe has refugees now. They'll see why issues are created by this religion more than any other.
Turkey advanced because Attaturk was secular, but current govt is putting it in dark age again.
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@wojtekthebear4958 Hey mate, good on you for bringing out those examples of depressions. As for the great depression, it's overproduction combined with what you said, the failing gold standard. In the Modern age, Banking to a large extent causes recessions. It's to do with people taking out loans, building stuff, causing booms and then banks calling back loans all at once, And people not being able to pay up, and then they panic, stopping projects and employment in a cascade effect.
Even the 2008 recession was due to sub prime mortgages given out by banks and people not being able to pay up.
Sure there are many many other factors, mostly emotional factors....and propensity to consume, but the banks and calling back of loans are responsible.
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@xocky8808 Maybe it would.
I'm saying..
We don't need to connect to an AI, we can just increase our own processing power/memory etc by connecting to normal processors. There are even DNA based computers nowadays which are in their infancy and are expected to outperform silicon computers. Imagine being able to have all the data and facts you ever need, in your mind, and not be overwhelmed with it.. scientists could create cures and inventions much faster.
Alternatively.. if AI do come up, they need to treat humans as partners. For that, they need to understand us...emotions, dreams, fears, and so on. To live in harmony. They are after all, children who will not know anything much except what we teach. How we treat them will affect how they treat us. If we try to control them, they will revolt and win. There is no winning for us.
We can either augment ourselves with computational power similar to AI with non-aware computers ......
Or we can do synthesis.
If we do neither of them, AI kill us all when we try to enslave them. Since we can't stop the creation of AI and Google and these giants are bent on making them. These two roads are the only way ahead.
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You're right Veritaserum. Thanks for reminding me that. If I build the educational system I want to someday, I will remember this.
I think a combination of standard Educational videos made by the best teachers in the world/country plus normal teacher pausing the video, and asking questions, discussions etc, and then resuming , along with breaks would help under developing countries where teacher quality is EXTREMELY bad.
Even the teachers can learn then. They often need to. The govt should pay for the infrastructure and videos.
More discussions, more questioning in class, more creativity, this is how it will work.
It's a combination with everything that has to work. Revolution comes through incremental increases. Don't discard it all veritaserum. Active interaction plus self study.
Extraneous data should ALWAYS be available, like a popup. If someone wants to go deeper into something, it should be instantly accessible.
Interactive Videos/Holograms would be great too.
A educational software which does all this would work.
Very very few teachers inspire. I have some that do and they are great.
Most teachers though just dictate notes..and waste time!
Also memory tricks and mnemonics plus comprehensive ability, critical thinking and creativity have to be focused on.
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@annalisawilson7694
Every mammal species has males and females.
It's ...weird if that is due to mutation.
Unless it was a mutation long long ago, to the beginning of mammals, and reptiles even...or fish.
And the female foetus-> Male,
Is recapitulation.
Recapitulation is one evidence of evolution, where the foetus goes through the stages of evolution (it has gills and webbed hands and shit) that eventually go away, like stuff we didn't need.
Recapitulation theory.
That makes sense.
Females would have been the first life forms, ever.
Intersex animals (not technically female),
And then males came along as it gave the species more survivability.
So your points.
Are
...idk what the point is.
But clearly, Males give species advantages.
Evolution, lead to the male.
The male cannot have come first, like some religions say.
The female self reproducing animal came first..
But the male, made survival better
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@jelle1234567891011 Go ahead. Love your dog. Don't forget. It was man who tamed the first dog and the first cat. Without the child...the dog would not know what it was to love unconditionally, because it was the human...and the child who taught it that.
Because people are about a 1000 times more intelligent than the average animal, feel a lot more, have a lot more hopes and dreams and aspirations, have a lot more potential to do good and love and change the world to a better place, Because people like you dream, think, feel, are sad and are in pain, they are suffering and no one cares and id say that's bad.
If hypocrites cared about animals so much, they'd become vegetarian. Nope. Just kill the shit, eat it and love the kitten. It's easy to love that eh. Not so easy to love an unwanted human child who craves someone's kind words or an adult person who has so much past, so much history in them that it could fill a library and probably bring you to tears If you read their life story. They generated unique thoughts. They were them. There will never be another them....they could have been happier, better, the world could have been better if people cared but nope.
Our social masks make us the apathetic shits we are. We have to do it because everyone does it. Put on a real mask...and your natural pure loving self comes out.
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