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  35.  @geordiewishart1683  and in the case that you're replying to... they didn't suspect the occupier of the property had committed any offence - and indeed openly admitted (while outside) to not even being sure of which property they had just opened the door of. Thereby failing to reach a suspicion level, let alone a belief level. I would think that a closed door, which requires opening, does not constitute "insecure" - until you try the handle, you have no indication of it being locked or not. I wasn't claiming trespass had occurred, or that trespass is criminal. My point on multiple dwellings, is that there are actually 42 rental properties here on the farm. The farm itself is private property with residents being granted a right of access. Beyond the rental properties, there are at least another 15 buildings that have no names/numbers on them, and the private 600m long farm track has provision for tennants/workers to have access to the properties. S17 PACE would - as you suggest - grant them rights to enter the farmland and subsequently the property owned/controlled by/occupied by the suspect they wanted to arrest - if indeed they did want to arrest the person they were looking for. It would not be lawful for them to randomly walk into the milkshed, for example unless they had a belief that the person was in there. The fact they didn't establish which property it was, and were "blindly" searching, confirms they did not hold a valid belief. However, as I've said in this thread, I'd rather treat people reasonably, rather than stick to the formalities of the law. So I chose to diffuse any potential bad situation, invited them in, and gave a clear demonstration to them that they were in the wrong place. They actually couldn't have been more polite about it (other than maybe knocking).
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