Comments by "" (@redtela) on "BlackBeltBarrister"
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I wonder what might have happened in the appeal if they had tried to argue that this case was no different to using the controls provided within the car, rather than trying to debate it on the communication aspect.
Two examples here:
Firstly, in my car, there is a control physically mounted to the car steering column (that I cannot remove) which will cause my phone to skip to the next track and change volume, etc. I can also control the same from the car radio itself. So for this case, I would posit that using the phones touch screen is no different to using manufacturer provided (and Type Approved) controls within the vehicle. Of course, much simpler to avoid a prosecution by using the vehicle mounted controls, rather than my phone (which I have chosen to mount to the vehicle).
Secondly, and likely more difficulty for me to defend, on my bike, everything is voice controlled. I can, for example, say "Hey Cordo, next track" - and it causes my phone to switch to the next track. Clearly, I'm not using a hand-held device, but I am still communicating with a device designed to be hand held and it is communicating with both the internet and my bluetooth headset. In this case, however, I think an officer would find it quite tricky to read my lips (though my closed helmet) to know what I was doing to even have a chat with me.
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An interesting aside to this, being a biker, I have before now been in a petrol station that refused to serve me - after I had put petrol in the bike - because they required that I remove my helmet. The helmet was an "open face" modular one, with the front flipped up, so all of my face was already visible, but the clerk insisted that I remove it, or they wouldn't process payment, because, rules are rules, apparently.
Me being me, put my bank card back in my pocket, and took out exact change from my pockets, placed it on the counter, told them which pump the cash was for, and left.
I never heard a word about it afterwards.
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Two anecdotal cases come to mind.
Case A: I was under suspicion of a thing I didn't do. I was arrested, cautioned, interviewed. The officer walked me back to my car, and at the car, said "oh, do you have the phone that might have been involved in this?" I answered "Yes, here, take it and the PIN is 1234, I don't even care about getting the phone back, because I have a new one." Not a problem at all.
Case B: I was witness to an RTC. In fact, I was the vehicle immediately behind a drunk driver who went head on. One of the casualties sat in my rear seat for some time before ambulances arrived. Police attending watched my dashcam while sitting in my drivers seat. They then stated "I'm going to have to confiscate your dash cam as evidence" - to which I replied "I can burn it to a DVD and have it with you in the morning." - They came to my house 1h30 after I left the scene, and I burnt it to DVD there & then for them, no issue whatsoever.
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@davecooper3238 I wouldn't really call your situation (or mine) discrimination, since discrimination requires a protected category, and simply being a biker doesn't make us belong to any of the established categories.
In my case, I couldn't possibly have been guilty of an offence, as I left legal tender to cover the cost of goods they had provided me. Had you have walked away, you would likely have had at least an angry letter coming your way.
I mean, I also grumbled when they stopped us sitting on the bike at the pump, which was very convenient to do when you can pay at the pump, but it's because some idiot set himself on fire one day in the US, and now we're all treated like idiots, unfortunately.
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@goygoyim6443 yes, they did, and they failed to identify themselves at the earliest opportunity. So I could have come to the hallway with a baseball bat - and been fully justified.
But Amazon drivers do the same thing, it's a "perk" (sarcasm) of living remotely. So I have a coat rack in the hallway, and hang my cargo net there when I'm not using it, just in case someone nefarious opens the door randomly (lots of elastic to tangle them in).
Funnily enough, the local postie always knocks, and he's apparently quite used to me not being dressed when I open the door.
Being a reasonable person has always stood me better than being pedantic about the rules (and the defence by them would be "there's no number, we didn't know if it was a storage cupboard, a hallway, or anything else").
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@geordiewishart1683 and in the case that you're replying to... they didn't suspect the occupier of the property had committed any offence - and indeed openly admitted (while outside) to not even being sure of which property they had just opened the door of. Thereby failing to reach a suspicion level, let alone a belief level.
I would think that a closed door, which requires opening, does not constitute "insecure" - until you try the handle, you have no indication of it being locked or not.
I wasn't claiming trespass had occurred, or that trespass is criminal.
My point on multiple dwellings, is that there are actually 42 rental properties here on the farm. The farm itself is private property with residents being granted a right of access. Beyond the rental properties, there are at least another 15 buildings that have no names/numbers on them, and the private 600m long farm track has provision for tennants/workers to have access to the properties. S17 PACE would - as you suggest - grant them rights to enter the farmland and subsequently the property owned/controlled by/occupied by the suspect they wanted to arrest - if indeed they did want to arrest the person they were looking for. It would not be lawful for them to randomly walk into the milkshed, for example unless they had a belief that the person was in there.
The fact they didn't establish which property it was, and were "blindly" searching, confirms they did not hold a valid belief.
However, as I've said in this thread, I'd rather treat people reasonably, rather than stick to the formalities of the law. So I chose to diffuse any potential bad situation, invited them in, and gave a clear demonstration to them that they were in the wrong place. They actually couldn't have been more polite about it (other than maybe knocking).
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I'm probably a little lucky... I live on a farm that has it's own 3-phase generator, we have our own water supply and our own dedicated sewage works. If things get serious, we have a lot of trees nearby, a wood chipper, and the heating system is powered by wood chippings (that normally arrive in the back of a 7.5 tonne truck once a week). If diesel becomes a problem, I own a couple of axes, and I have a "van life" power solution (charged by the mains, has a huge battery).
In the past when we had bad snow, I used a tractor to plough/grit the local roads (and the council paid me for it!)
I also enjoy camping (tent or hammock), so I have things like sleeping bags, alternative methods of cooking (paraffin, etc)... mobile phone signal rarely works here anyway, so you get used to not using a phone.
And yes, I'm in the UK, and no, I'm by no means a "prepper." The last bad storm we had (last winter), took me 2 days to be able to get the car to the nearest town. Really wasn't a huge deal.
I can imagine folks in Central London running around like headless chickens in a blind panic though...
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I think this will be a minefield for them - when they have already lost subscribers, squeezing more cash from existing subscribers (with the cost of everything else going up) is risking more subscribers simply cancelling the service. Of course, it's their right to do that.
I would question how it is going to be implemented - for example, I, my partner and our children all have devices with Netflix ability (TV, laptops at least 2 desktop PCs, mobile phones)... about the only way I can see them enforcing this is by IP address. Within my house, my external IP changes dynamically (within the block provided by the ISP). But I also have a VPN, if I happen to be in the UK at a hotel, rather than using public wifi, I will be using VPN. That's a different IP address (and I'm not using the VPN to circumvent geographic restrictions, because I'm still in the UK).
Further, if any of us use a mobile phone to watch Netflix and it's on 4G or 5G, rather than on Wifi, that is yet another IP address. My kids could be on a school trip, sitting on a coach, and want to watch Netflix through the account I pay for.
Other than IP/IP range enforcement, I'm not sure how they can detect usage that is against their terms, and for example, if they try it, what is there to stop me just having everyone use the VPN (which is a private VPN that I setup, and as a single static IP)?
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BBB, given your job, you should be well aware of how fallible the human memory is, right? Hence your interest in the topic...
Others online have speculated that Harry is possibly suffering with PTSD (either caused by his military service, his family life - including but not limited to the infamous death of his mother, or any other reason).
Perhaps, in that view, "making up memories" is a rather unkind turn of phrase? In a court room, one might use such emotive language in the attempt to influence a jury. Outside a court room, perhaps we should focus on potential legitimate reasons why someone might hold a false belief, and give them the benefit of doubt that they might simply be honestly mistaken?
Just my 2p.
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Did you say it's perfectly legal to use a VPN to change the appearance of location, just to watch TV shows/services that aren't available in my current, actual location?
I hope due diligence was done, because I'm pretty sure that is against the Terms of Service for several subscription platforms (that is to say, it's likely a breach of contract). NetFlix for example, used to hold the opinion that they would terminate the subscription of VPN users. More recently, they moved to change their service instead, so when using a VPN, if they know you're using a VPN, you simply see things that have a global licence only. In those cases, that content was already visible to you, using a VPN just limits what content you can see.
Nothing about that VPN company in-particular, it just annoys me that a lot of VPN providers extol this "benefit" of using a VPN, when it's never been true (one could argue, such claims contribute to false claims to generate sales).
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