Comments by "" (@Green__one) on "Right to Repair Executive Order" video.

@CyberDocUSA Tesla considers the car, and every part of it, to belong to them, and they are being extremely generous in allowing you to use it in any way. "I'm altering the deal, pray that I do not alter it further" is basically their motto.
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Worse than that, they'll disable all fast charging. no superchargers, and not even 3rd party fast chargers. They also refuse to sell parts to people, and won't let you access the software on the car. Best car ever made, by the worst company I've ever had the misfortune of dealing with.
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@FloatingFatMan It's worse than that. My car has certain features that I paid for, and at the time I did so, there was no indication that these were any form of subscription, they were portrayed as part of the car I bought, and there was no way to purchase them as a subscription at the time. I find out now that if I sell the car, those features will be disabled over the air, and must be re-purchased by the new owner. This kills a lot of the resale value on the car!
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@covett Gasoline has many times the energy density of batteries, and yet no gas station seems to care. Most importantly though, no other fast charger cares either. It's only Tesla who illegally disable purchased features on their vehicles after sale.
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@covett funny that nobody outside of Tesla thinks it's an issue. No other fast charging company cares, no other EV manufacturer cares, and no regulator in the world thinks it's a problem. Only Tesla, and they will disable your charging at not only their own superchargers (even if you paid for lifetime usage) but also at other non-tesla branded level 3 chargers. This is straight up anti-consumer behavior, and is flat out illegal. There is no safety issue, that's the smoke screen that all these companies use to block right to repair, but it has never problem to have even the slightest grain of truth to it. We beat the less out of the big existing manufacturers, it's time to kill Tesla's ignorance of the law as well. Just because you worship Tesla doesn't mean the rest of us will give them a pass on the abhorrent behavior.
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And I have no problem with that, as long as there's no reason why only the Toyota branded ones will fit. It's when the car refuses to run when you install the Amazon hubcap that I start to have an issue. (And that's not that far off if you look at how many components in some modern cars are software connected to the computers in the car and the car validates them.)
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They haven't DONE anything yet. When they take Tesla to court, I'll cheer, until then this is just words on paper.
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@kamX-rz4uy That's the biggest issue, the USA has some extremely draconian copyright laws (which they have pretty successfully exported worldwide). and manufacturers have taken FULL advantage of that fact to tie everything into software and then tell people they can't fix it because it's software and therefore copyrighted. Best solution would be to completely eliminate copyright. but I know I don't have much support on that one. But you could at least make some form of copyright exemption for software required to repair a physically purchased device, or a law that forces companies to included software required for the operation of a device with the device, (rather than just a license for it)
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Not really, this comes under the "I'll believe it when I see it" category. Tesla is notorious for breaking all sorts of laws, and then saying "so sue us!", knowing full well that for most people it's too expensive to sue, and their lawyers will keep you tied up in court for longer than the remaining useful life of your vehicle.
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It already is. The auto industry was the big example. but it actually applies to other things as well. The auto industry just seem to be the only ones who actually follow it (Tesla excluded as they completely refuse to follow M-M)
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@covett no, you do worship tesla, there's no other excuse for such ridiculous blind parotting of their PR points, in the face of so much evidence to the contrary. We've been over this thousands of times with thousands of companies, and it has never turned out to be the case that the consumer is being protected by such ridiculous behavior. When the old manufacturers tried this we passed laws to stop this abusive behavior. Tesla ignoring those laws does not change anything about it. You sir are a Tesla troll, nothing more. This is not a safety issue, there is zero safety risk to doing this and it's far safer to modify your ev, than your gasoline vehicle, and nobody has suggested we stop allowing that. Tesla is breaking the law and you are providing excuses for it, that is Despicable Behavior. I am done engaging with such a morally repugnant person as someone who would defend this sort of behavior.
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Not just CEOs I'm afraid, both Apple and Tesla have extremely rabid and toxic fans who think they can do no wrong.
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@82ndAbnVet Exactly. These companies have been ignoring the law for ages, what's to think they'll suddenly start behaving?
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I wonder if Tesla operates completely differently in the EU, or if they ignore the law completely just like they do in North America?
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They did. And then Tesla comes along and completely ignores the rules and won't sell parts to 3rd parties, won't allow you to access the software needed to enable parts you find, and will disable critical parts of the vehicle over the air if they catch you repairing it.
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It's marginal whether this is good news. The executive order is basically just a note to the the FTC saying "I think we have a law about this already, any chance you could look into enforcing it?". Considering that the laws already existed, and the companies have been flagrantly violating them for years with no consequences, it's hard to believe that will suddenly change because of a glorified interdepartmental memo from the white house. I'll believe it's actually good news when Tesla and John Deere are dragged into court by the FTC, until then this isn't worth the paper it's written on.
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@VideoArchiveGuy but was apple carplay sold as part of the vehicle, with no indication it was a subscription, and only after the fact changed? That's the issue with Tesla. I paid for features that were part of the window sticker/sales sheet, with no indication they weren't just part of the car, but if I resell the car Tesla will disable those features reducing my resale value.
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And YOU are the problem. There is no product ever made that should not be repairable by the user. Sure there should be rules about the safety of the end product, but there's no reason the user should be locked out of it. "proper licensing and knowledge" is the kludge these companies use as an excuse to drive the prices sky high and force you to pay without any recourse. If you get this stuff wrong, that's between you and the FCC. The manufacturer isn't the police on this one, that's the FCC's job.
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That's not future, that's present. Look at Tesla. VW have also announced plans to do that.
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