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Tell that to regulators, not manufacturers. The manufacturers are all onboard with cameras, it's the regulators holding it up.
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How many outlets have been reporting on the Cybertruck for YEARS now? it's no more real than this is. and in fact we know more about the stats for this one than we do for cybertruck!
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Well on the bright side, this is likely DRASTICALLY cheaper to operate than a Tesla. My Model S costs me about $10,000 PER YEAR in maintenance costs due to the ridiculous shop rates, lousy quality, impossible to source parts, and software lock-in forcing everything to Tesla's service centres.
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It's not all CGI, they've shown a real truck, and claim many more are out testing.
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I own and drive a Tesla model S. The annual maintenance cost on it now that the warranty is up is approximately $10,000 per year just to keep it on the road. The quality is abysmal, the shop rates are more than double the industry average, and parts are basically unavailable. I would say save your money, spend a little more upfront on the Ford, and save a fortune in the long run. As much as I love my model S, I will never, under any circumstances, consider buying another Tesla vehicle.
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Considering that Tesla was a year and a half behind Rivian in their announcement, I'd hardly give them credit for the segment. And of course we now have 3 EV pickups on the market, and at least 3 more solidly on the way, and Tesla still hasn't shown a production version, solid specs, or a release date. Not to mention that both GM and Ford had production EV pickup trucks (Chevrolet S-10 Electric and Ford Ranger EV) on the road in 1997. (GM technically had the worlds first production EV pickup)
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Isn't it kinda premature to talk about what amount above/below MSRP you'd pay when they haven't even announced what MSRP will be?
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@gridjac With the 800V architecture, it will charge fast enough for real world use. Basically if you can drive 3-4 hours on the highway, and then charge in less time than you can have a meal at a truck stop, it's all you need.
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Based on the experience with my Tesla, that 7 to 24,000 will cover between one and three years of maintenance on the Tesla. Which means the Tesla still comes out significantly more expensive in the long run.
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@mnhsty Personal experience. EVERY part is ridiculously expensive, it's all poor quality, the shop rates are the highest in the industry, and you have no choice but to take it to them for everything. It costs me about $10,000 per year in maintenance on my Model S ever since the warranty ran out.
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Well the gas version of the 1500 gets LESS range than this, so if you can get by on gas, you can get by on this.
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It will charge in the owner's garage overnight 99% of the time, and at the tens of thousands of existing level 3 chargers on road trips. Can they make a profit? Good question. A profit can definitely be made, Tesla has the highest profit margin per vehicle in the auto industry, so EVs can definitely be profitable. But legacy automakers have struggled to replicate that. Not due to a lack of demand, they can't make EVs fast enough to keep up, but more because they haven't figured out how to build them efficiently. Time will tell on that one.
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You do you, but I can't tell you how nice it's been to not have to visit gas stations and stand outside pumping gas. Never wake up wondering if I have enough fuel to get to work. Not to mention winter! I love not having to wait for an engine to warm up to get heat, being able to pre-heat the car from my phone even in an enclosed (but unheated) parking space. I also love the silence, and lack of vibration when driving. I can't imagine ever going back to a gas vehicle!
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You're right on with this one! My Tesla model last costs me about $10,000 a year in maintenance now that the warranty is up, not that they honored the warranty when it was still in place anyway. And don't get me started on Tesla's shop rates, you have no choice but to go to them and they know it so they charge more than double the industry average per hour, parts are also basically unobtainable.
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And by "lots" you mean an extremely tiny percentage. the vast majority of pickups have never seen a trailer, never left the city, and wince at a puddle on the road. Sure, some people aren't yet ready for towing heavy loads extremely long distances with an EV. Nobody has said that EVERYBODY will be served well by this truck. But there are enough people that will be that there's no way they can produce enough of this to satisfy demand.
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Well that's still probably better than Tesla. It took me 3 months to get my car, and that was sitting on their lot, they couldn't tell me anything about where it was for those 3 months, or when I would get it, and then suddenly one day out of the blue they called me up and said they were delivering it in 3 hours and that I better have a 6 figure money order in my hand to give to them (after bank hours!) After I got it they have many times refused to honour the warranty, and the pre-paid service plan, parts are always impossible to get, their shop rate is the highest in the industry, and you have no choice but to use them for everything because nobody else can get at their software which is mandatory for EVERYTHING. I will NEVER under any circumstances buy another Tesla!
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I'm curious if you believe Tesla's claims on Cybertruck? They're claiming most of the same specs, and have an even worse track record of delivering on their promises. I'm still skeptical of this truck, and of their timelines, but I'm optimistic, and still think it's possible that it will beat Cybertruck to market.
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@atw9913 ah, you're one of THOSE... Tesla has never once met a timeline, or a price point. They've lied repeatedly about just about every metric and feature. You mention FSD, but did you know that the original autopilot cars still can't do even a single one of the things Elon touted at their launch? Not one. And let's not go into all the other features that were promised to the original model S owners. Teslas are also the only EVs that can't meet their EPA range numbers in real world testing either. So you're one of the fanbois, nothing I say here will change your mind because you decided based on emotion, not based on fact. But I guarantee you that Elon isn't your friend, and worshipping a corporation isn't healthy for you.
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It will happen, the details are the question. Will it happen with these specs? or will they be downgraded? Will it happen for the 2025 model year? or will it get pushed back? Will it be produced in quantity and available everywhere? or will it be a compliance vehicle? Will it be cost competitive with the other EV pickups? or will the high specs make the price too much to bear? Time will tell!
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And by "many" you mean an extremly tiny percentage. 96% of truck owners never tow over 10,000lbs, 75% never tow at all, and over 65% don't event use the bed of the truck for anything. of those that tow, only a small subset regularly tow over 250 miles. Nobody says this truck is for everyone, but don't pretend that it can't suit the majority of truck owners. As for charging times. It will charge overnight on a level 2 home charger, which is more than fast enough at home. On the road, because they chose an 800v architecture, it should be able to take advantage of 350kw fast charging which will add plenty of range in the time it takes the owner to eat lunch and use the washroom.
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You do realize that Cybertruck is promising the same range, for a less aerodynamic vehicle right? You know that means the Cybertruck battery will need to be AT LEAST as big and heavy as this one! As for "how many volts"? They went with an 800v architecture, which will allow the fastest level 3 charging currently on the market. Tesla so far has stuck with 400v which really limits them so unless they change that for cybertruck (and change all their superchargers to match!) This should also charge faster than Cybertruck.
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Without knowing the price, it's hard to say. I'm sure it will be expensive, but how much is up for debate. Many people have been projecting prices close to the lightning, but I can't really believe that with the specs being so much better. Still, if they keep it under about $150k for the top end version they'll sell as many as they can make, and will really make Ford think hard about their current strategy. If instead this pushes close to 200k on the top end, it might be a much harder sell.
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Forget comparing it to an ICE truck, I don't think it's the same market. The question is to compare it to the F150 Lightning, the Silverado EV, and the R1T. Considering the significantly better specs than the lightning, I'd have to assume a correspondingly higher price, but I'm unsure if the market is willing to pay it? If they can keep the top end ones below 150k they'll probably sell as many as they can make, but if they're pushing 200k at the top end they may not find as many buyers.
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Many of today's internal combustion pickups hit 100k. many EVs are over 100k. I don't see any shortage of demand for a pickup at that price point. Now if it's 200k, they might have a problem, but I bet they know that already, and probably won't make that mistake (though I'm really curious how they avoid that for the top end version!)
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The gas version of the Ram 1500 gets LESS range on a tank than this. (437-494 miles) As for "work" depends on what work they do. But long haul trucking in a pickup truck is an EXTREMELY uncommon job.
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Tesla "experience"? I have a Model S. I will never under any circumstances consider buying another Tesla EVER. The experience has been the worst I've ever had right from the purchase experience where they couldn't tell me where my car was for nearly 3 months (for a stock model already sitting on their lot!) and then without any notice wanted me to find 6 figures to pay for it in under 3 hours after banking hours. Things only got better from there as every software update removes features, moves critical things several taps deep on the touchscreen, and makes the UI generally worse. And don't even get me started on the service "experience" where they refuse to honour either the warranty, or the pre-paid service plan, and where their shop rates are DOUBLE the industry standard, the parts are on back order, and you aren't allowed to do any work yourself. Out of warranty it has cost me nearly $10,000 PER YEAR to maintain this "low maintenance" vehicle!
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@Lovejazz01 up until the past year or 2 I was really worried that I'd have to buy gas again whenever I replace my model S. But the past couple years have shown an explosion of high quality EVs from reputable manufacturers, so I'm relieved to know I can stay EV. I do love the car, I just can't stand the company.
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The Ram 1500 gasoline version has a SHORTER range than this does.
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@kadmow I don't know about you. But I can't drive over 500 miles without stopping for a bathroom and food. So I don't care if my truck can.
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@kadmow not every campground has a gas station either.
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@AlistairBalister How many times did you post that same comment? It doesn't appear to be grounded in any facts, but you've posted it an awful lot of times!
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All manufacturers may do this, but none to the extent of Tesla. Their shop rate is double the industry average, their parts prices are exorbitant, and they won't let you go elsewhere for service. If Tesla isn't making an absolute fortune on service then I can't imagine how mismanaged that department must be!
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They didn't actually cut any production. They announced massive increases to the production, and then scaled back the increase. They are still producing more vehicles this year than they did last year, by a large margin.
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Well the Tesla Cybertruck is less aerodynamic, and claiming the same range, so will need an even BIGGER battery pack. Also, Tesla so far has limited itself to 400V architecture, so unless that changes (and they re-do all their superchargers) the Cybertruck should charge slower than this does.
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@stellaa1328 4.4 is fast enough. My car does 4.2, and I don't think I can remember the last time I put my foot down enough to use it. As for towing and payload, those matter to about 5% or less of the market. Most trucks never tow or haul, or even leave the city.
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