Comments by "Len" (@Len-jk4zi) on "VICE News"
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@carsonsmusic You mean the fetus?
Fetuses do not have sentient minds and are not people.
I'm not particularly concerned with bills that ensure women remain the primary patient in abortion care, it's better for their health.
"because only half (51%) of people who had abortions used any form of birth control"
This is false information, as this data cannot be accurately gathered due to people having the right of privacy.
That said, the supposed half that DID use birth control and had it fail should not be punished for those that opted not to use birth control.
Sometimes, birth control may not be taken due to unexpected circumstances.
This is not a valid reason to punish women by stripping them of their right to bodily autonomy, either.
Abortion as a primary form of birth control is a myth.
It isn't healthy, it is expensive, and there are incentives to use proper birth control.
Increase the quality of sex education and stop preaching abstinence and the rates of unprotected sex will decrease.
Unfortunately for you, abortion remains a vital part of a healthy society.
Vilifying sex accomplishes one thing; creating resentment and ignorance.
When a tyrannical state government outlaws abortion, people perceive that as an anti-sex stance as it greatly increases the risk with no good reason.
This causes individuals to stop listening to anti-sex rhetoric and reduces birth control awareness by making sex a taboo topic.
This doesn't make members of our species any less sexual in nature and without a significant increase in asexuality, greatly raises the number of accidental and teenage pregnancies.
Of course, the impact of this is greater and significantly more concerning on individuals that come from less fortunate families.
As is regularly observed, the first world has a lower birth rate than developing countries, and there are several factors to point to as the cause.
For one, poorer people tend to have access to lower quality education, and tend to "misbehave" more due to the hardship that comes with their circumstances.
This misbehavior can often overwhelm the education systems that are in place, leading disadvantaged individuals to receive an even lower quality education and have no prospects.
People with no prospects in the first world cannot simply "work harder" to increase their output, first world societies must first have a place for them to work.
Typically, disadvantaged individuals are not able to secure significant enough pay to make savings AND cover medical bills for the numerous health issues that often crop up in these troubled families, so they remain have-nots.
Have-nots, as the name implies, have nothing to lose, and tend not to have any hopes for the future.
People without hope for the future are reckless, and preaching abstinence to them is not going to work.
They have sex to cope with their circumstances and aren't even likely to listen to a lecture on birth control.
At this point, little can be done for them but improving their circumstances so their offspring will be more receptive to education, but these disadvantaged families STILL exist, and they STILL are going to do what they need to do to cope with existing under such unfortunate circumstances.
I am conscious of this cycle of suffering, and recognize that improving peoples circumstances, education and increasing access to abortion services are the only ways to put an end to the cycle.
If you wish to blame those that are victims to the cycle, would you blame a tiger for killing and eating someone?
No, it's a wild, predatory animal.
It does what tigers do, and humans are going to do what humans do when they're born into poor circumstances.
If you know the next generation will follow the same path as the first and choose not to help improve their circumstances, you are stepping into the tiger enclosure.
You know what's going to happen, and it is your fault, not theirs.
Some would use this analogy to support anti-sex rhetoric, but pregnancy is actually an uncommon occurrence should one do their due diligence.
"Uncommon" still means "nearly guaranteed to happen at least once in your lifetime", but one or two abortions a lifetime is not excessive.
Should someone maintain a safe distance from the enclosure when visiting the zoo, and the tiger somehow escapes its' enclosure, one should not have to lay down and accept death when they took every necessary precaution.
Pregnancy is no different.
The cautious are already going through enough anxiety as it is, don't punish them when they're already doing their part.
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@carsonsmusic Why would you want to kill people that are sleeping or in a coma?
The fetus' right to bodily autonomy is respected when it is removed from the woman's body using whatever necessary means.
Why is that?
Because its' right to bodily autonomy does not grant it a claim to *her body*.
"I believe that people should know the bare minimum about sex and that it should come from a purely biological viewpoint."
The bare minimum is not enough.
"People getting abortions know about birth control."
If you don't want to teach them about birth control, you don't have that as an excuse to hide behind.
"Whenever you push meaningless sex as empowerment, people will live on the streets"
No, people will live on the streets when their circumstances are poor enough.
Nobody is pushing sex as empowerment, it's a natural part of being human and measures should be taken to ensure people can have sex safely and responsibly.
Teaching abstinence does not work, as you cannot teach humans to stop being human.
"There will be a dramatic increase in sex. Peoples' minds will become dull and diluted."
An increase in sex isn't a bad thing, so long as it is an increase in responsible sex.
Irresponsible sex happens the most in disadvantaged communities, or communities where birth control and abortion are not readily available.
"What does telling people that you can have pleasure-based sex with people accomplish?"
They don't need to be told, they figure that out on their own.
"Babies should not be killed."
Babies are not being killed, and women can abort with impunity.
"You know that the abortion procedure and that abortion are indefensible"
Nope, that's a Carson problem, not a Len problem.
I have no issue with abortion and view it for the positive effects it has on individuals and society as a whole.
I recognize poverty as the main driving factor in rising crime rates and recognize it as the cycle it is, but you seem to have very little to say about poverty!
But hey, if you really think you can choose not to improve the quality of sex education and keep it at the "bare minimum" without people figuring it out on their own in unsafe ways, why don't you use your godlike powers to change reality to fit your narrow perspective to touch up your nothing-burger of a comment a little bit?
Your beliefs cause an increase in unsafe sex and poverty, mine shrink both and fix problems.
You create what you hate.
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