Comments by "WaterspoutsOfTheDeep" (@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep) on "VICE TV" channel.

Why is it sad the father tried to separate kids from their mother? Mothers do that all the time and at a significantly higher rate.
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Exactly. Don't believe him either. Ya he just at the exact same time got a MASSIVE cutting of this rare plant and tried to root a massive cutting instead of cutting it up and trying to root it. Makes no sense from the perspective of someone who actually had a horticultural background. It has no root system and you are going to try and root a massive cutting with all those leaves on it... ya sure... Especially when its so rare and you could have just chopped it up and likely rooted multiple nodes and had even more plants... Also it was from his friend so there was no hurry to give it to him meaning it makes no sense why the friend wouldn't have done air layering first to give the cutting.
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someone who knows about plants can see his story doesn't even add up. For him to even attempt to root a huge cutting like that is absurd. You have to cut off most of the leaves because it had no root system. Secondly that wouldn't even happen because it's pointless to do because almost always you cut up the plant and make it smaller in the first place not try and root such a huge cutting. Also since it;s so rare you;d cut up that huge cutting and try and propagate multiple plants from it not just one. Also if it's so rare there wouldn't even be a cutting in the first place, the friend would have done air layering to root a section of it which is way safer than doing a cutting. It's all a load of poopoo.
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If they are trying to grow the plant to maturity so it can flower and set seed so they can propagate hundreds or thousands of plants every year to preserve it... That kinda matters. Especially since its slow to grow and mature like they said. This could have already been decades old plant. You new to horticulture...
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lmao what?! I bet you are one of those Americans that can't even find your country on a map.
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@oki9601 English is not your primary language? Your response is largely incoherent. "You people" has zero racial implications. I was quite clear actually on purpose. What is this field experience you have that makes you think "rare" species get ripped out the wild by not even the "millions" like you say but by just any significant amount whatsoever. You sound highly ignorant to even say such a thing, especially after what I just responded to you with on how plants are taken then multiplied which ends up largely sustaining then their trade. It isn't even logistically feasible to wild harvest "rare" plants for distribution. That is a nonsensical argument. Secondly you claim any significant number of rare species are being removed from their habitat while at the same time the same habitats are bull dozed and paved over for parking lots or burned for farmland and so on. Blows my mind I should have to point this out to someone with "field experience." What I've mentioned now is the exact arguments university horticulturalists and other scientists have brought up over the hypocrisy of different plant collecting regulations. Identifying and indexing species and culturing them for the trade by and large preserves the species, it doesn't threaten it. You are mixing up illegal plant trade that involves medicine/herbalism/artistry work/cultural trade and use with the plant trade. They aren't the same dumdum.
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Depends on the plant. They may have been trying to grow it to maturity to harvest seed. In that case hundreds or thousands of seeds that could have produced plants is now robbed from them. If it is very slow growing this could have been already 10-15 years of waiting. There are many variables.
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@marthanewsome6375 They likely are. But like they said it grows slow. They likely do air layering. This probably takes 1-2 years for the rooting on such hard plants. Secondly for a stem to grow enough to do it to be removed takes time too, say at least 1-2 years. So it's going to take like 5-10 years before production can exponentially start ramping up. This plant seems like a recent event. It's probably being worked on being tissue cultured by big labs for mass production as we speak if it actually is of any real value.
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But you can tell he stole the plant because the dumdum tried to root the whole cutting instead of chopping it up first. They obviously know almost nothing about horticulture, they are in it for the tiktok attention.
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Somehow I doubt it's even the largest collection in the US too. I'm sure there are institutions with more plants in the USA.
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Probably just rooted cuttings.
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Because sometimes cutting the plant can kill it from infection or shock. Because maybe they are trying to grow a specimen to maturity to get it to flower and set seed. You know so thousands can be propagated from seed every year. There are lots of reasons dumdum.
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Not really. They get propagated and multiplied and traded around and thus preserved as a species. No more pulling out of the ground. It's actually very beneficial. There are lots of species that have been preserved like this. This isn't animals where they are hard to reproduce so they have to keep illegally harvesting them. If the plant is that at risk that taking the small amount of plants they do from the wild would put it at danger then that is even more reason to do so to preserve that species. Blows my mind how you people never think through such arguments.
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@robbb416 doubt it. It was someone else working there.
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Flowering and fruiting plants are better. Foliage plants are so overrated and hyped beyond reality. It's because the dumdums can keep them alive easier, and you don't have to know what you are doing to actually get them happy enough to flower. Wish the fad would die already or at least move to the type of plants where it should be.
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@VBass1000 Ya interactive plants are very rewarding. Whether that be fruiting, flowering, fragrant, dynamic plants. Even fragrant leafed geraniums are so much more fun than just some plain old foliage. Trees are interesting because they are architectural, or you can bonsai them and so on. The fad is basically a million variations of pothos type plants.
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@4Azr Ignorant mind* fixed it for you.
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lmao you make it sound bad. Henry "smuggled seeds out of Brazil saying it was for research." And? Seeds don't recognize human made boarders. Arbitrary human laws don't mean anything here. The only laws that matter have to do with actual plant preservation.
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no way in hell
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That is absolutely disgusting, especially if it's adults. I can see naughty children doing that because they want a garden.
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Slow growing. Can kill the plant. It prevents a maturing plant from reaching maturity where it can flower and set seed which can help produce possibly thousands of new plants each year vs 1-2 cuttings every few years. You know... kinda relevant reasons...
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Exactly. Anyone with half a brain and concept of horticulture wouldn't try rooting a huge massive cutting like that(with leaves on), far less of such a rare plant. Dumdum knows nothing about plants and wants social media fame and stole the plant. Far less if it was from the friend. The friend would air layer a rooted section from one of the plants then give it. Their story is as fake as it gets.
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Where do you get that they aren't?
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Foliage plants don't deserve this kind of attention and hype. Flowering plants do. It's a total fad by people who really were never really that much into plants and are getting fleeced out of their money because foliage plants take less skill to keep alive. You don't have to know what you are doing to flower them. Wish the fad would die already or at least transition to plants the deserve the attention.
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She is probably wanting to say "how do you think I got this collection in the first place."
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That is exactly what botanical gardens do. They were likely trying to grow it out to maturity to flower and set seed. Hundreds or thousands of seeds to grow new plants each year is far faster than 1-2 cuttings every few years from a slow growing plant. Just a reminder.
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@cwilh6044 Exactly and they are actually low iq(as I'm sure most tiktokers are) enough to post pictures of the plant which was clearly the same one. A massive cutting and all dying.
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