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@Mrpersonman0 What delusion? This wasn't from him but God. Delusions don't have continuity that spans across dozens of authors and thousands of years. The Bible is a library of sixty-six different books, long and short, written in different languages (Hebrew, Caldean and Greek), written in various countries (Judea, Babylon, 66 Books of the BibleAsia Minor, Greece and Italy), written in various times during a period stretching over about fifteen hundred years and with an intermission of about 400 years, written by about forty different authors, people with Egyptian culture, people with Jewish culture, people with Greek and Roman culture, people with no culture. Written by all sorts and conditions of men (priests, prophets, princes, peasants, warriors, statesmen, herdsmen, poets, publicans, physicians, fishermen, historians, lawyers, chroniclers, philosophers, orators, autocrats, exiles, rich, poor, evangelists, apostles), written to Jew and to Gentile, written to Greek and barbarian, to bond and to free, to men and to women, to young and to old, to individuals, congregations, the whole world. Written in the rush of the city and in the hush of the country; written in palace and in prison, written in prosperity and in adversity, written in the height of national glory on Mount Zion and in the depth of national shame beside quiet waters. These books contain prose, poetry, prophecy, history, type, antitype, sign, symbol, miracle, parable, biography, philosophy, description, travel, exploration, legislation, invitation, exhortation, denunciation, argumentation, commendation, indignation, prayers, blessings, curses, oration, consolation, fierce invective, impassioned appeal, and coolest and calmest logic, letters, hymns, pastorals, romance, tragedy and jubilee, sobbing sighs and shouts of joy, sermons, lyrics, proverbs, epigrams and axioms. Thinking on these facts, we must needs expect chaos as the outcome. It cannot be but that parts of this variegated library contradict other parts. But do we find it so? By no means! On the contrary and wonderful to relate, we find a marvelous unity of design and harmony in statements. Have you ever realized the Bible had so much unity? Fifteen hundred years, forty different authors, three different languages, five or six different countries. And yet with all of these variations, there’s still just one theme and it all harmonizes together. If you were a god and you’d created some people, and you wanted to communicate to them through a written word, wouldn’t you make sure that your Bible had characteristics like that? And someone might say, well, there’s really nothing all that hard about that, I mean, other books have been written like that. Well let’s see if that is really true. Why don’t we go down to some seminary, some theological seminary, but instead of getting people with different languages and from different countries and different backgrounds and over hundreds of years, why don’t we just get forty students who are all going there at the same time from the same country who have the same teachers and just ask them to do us a favor? Without conferring with each other, why don’t we ask them to write about a fifty page paper each, on the subject of God (His existence, His nature, His purposes), and man (where he came from, what he’s here for, where he’s going), and things about spiritual ideas. And then let’s collect all 2000 pages which would be about the length of a Bible, I suppose, and put them all together and see if they have the same kind of harmony that the Bible does. You say, well they might. Well, I’ll tell you what, why don’t you just go down to the library and find any 40 books off the shelf in the religious section and see if they all are in harmony with each other. You see it hasn’t been done. The Bible is totally unique.
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The Nazi's believed heavily in the occult.
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666 is not a vague reference to "man." 666 literally is man, biologists have found the human genome numerically is 666, our genetic information. What we are, man. So how I think of it is the mark of the beast being 666 is denouncing our heavenly identity of being a child of God and making people accept their identity as only the earthy fallen body. Remember the text describes us as having a body not as being that body but us as a spirit, that has a body.
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@jeffjefferson2853 What? The ark was the physical residence of Jesus on earth before the Holy Spirit transformed him into flesh to complete the work of the cross. Jesus was God who walked in the garden of Eden with Adam. Jesus was the burning bush. The name I AM is his name, Jesus is derived from I AM and the name of Moses which fulfills prophecy. The name Jesus means "GOD WHO SAVES BY WATER." Jesus is the Word which the word of the scripture is called the living water. And so on and so on. You are confusing presence with power. Merely entering into Gods presence judges sin and the punishment for sin is death. That is why only the High Priest who made a sacrifice could enter into the Holy of Holies into the presence of God hopefully without dying. God could at anytime leave or come back to the ark if he wanted. There is also power on the physicality of the ark too. But there needs to be distinction between which is which in different events.
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You are confused. The historicity of most of the Exodus path has already been discovered and published by an Athiest turn Christian head of the University of Haifa in Israel around 2008. The Exodus is not considered myth anymore. There has been a massive amount of biblical verification since the advent of modern archeology. Around 50 000-100 000 artifacts alone have been discovered which is roughly half. I forget which it was 50 or 100.
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@Nisikaa_ lmao as if. Give one example where we have dozens of books from multiple authors across thousands of years and different languages from multiple professions all writing different things that connect and hold continuity. You sound ridiculous. You clearly never went over the implications. You made that clear when right from the start you rewrote my statement and called the statements delusions when anyone who is historically literate knows the historicity of the biblical text has long been established and extensively. Of course apocrypha were set aside. Truth establishes truth. It's not called cherry picking it's called validating. Otherwise why wouldn't all writings be included? Your argument doesn't hold up, no criteria is an absurd position to assert. There aren't inconsistencies with the Gospels they are written from different literary perspectives. There are countless scholarly articles that can hold your hand and spoon feed you the context if you are struggling to grasp the narrative and confusing it with inconsistency, discrepancy, or contradictions. In fact you can buy almost 33 volumes of it from early church fathers almost a few hundred years shy of 2000 years old. That is how much commentary and how far it goes back. It sounds like you are just spewing out whatever sounds good in your head without ever verifying the legitimacy of any of your perceived issues for yourself.
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@shysmy19 says the clown that literally doesn't know the text has an enormous positive track record of correct historicity across the board, and 100% accuracy of prophecy and statements of science where able to be tested. The big bang theory is wholly derived from the biblical text and the only source. Nothing anywhere else ever came close, the closest was a babylonian religion that got 3 out of 12 of the points correct. A religious fairytale is thinking you evolved. That life spontaneously happened. That rationality can come from irrationality. That the universe never had a first cause despite science telling us it needed one. That the overwhelming evidence of fine tuning across the cosmos is just a happy accident while being more mathematically complex than we can even comprehend even a fraction of. Atheism is a fairytale for those afraid of the light.
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@bashermus9975 You are confused. The historicity of the biblical text has long been established as extremely reliable and on top of that accurate. It has been found significantly superior to secular accounts in names, dates, spelling of names and so on. It has also been found more accurate than historians of Alexandria. Then on top of that we have 100% accuracy of prophecy. Unrivaled continuity of the 66 books which span thousands of years written by multiple authors with different backgrounds professions, and different languages which alone demonstrates it's divine origin. Then we have it's statements of science that we can very being completely correct(don't confuse miracle events). The big bang theory is wholly a biblical concept and derived from the bible. The biblical text is the only source in human history to get the creation account complete correct, nothing else even gets close to correct. So the track record the biblical text holds is exemplary. There is no reason not to assume it's statements of history as historical accounts where there are no other accounts.
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@MrJoebrooklyn1969 Oh I'm going to hell now? Based on what? Teaching the biblical text? lmao what is this a Satanic hell? You are a clown.
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@qodeshim9800 Atheism is a fairytale for those afraid of the light. He is just scared.
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@misery_shun demons and angels are two different entities fyi. angels are heaven bound spirits with a body, demons are earth bound disembodied spirits. The abode of demons is the abyss/pit in scripture, the abode of fallen angels that are locked up is Tartarus. They are not the same entities. Demons originate from being the preAdamic race God destroyed during Lucifers fall when Lucifer turned them against God. That's how they lost their body and where the picture we see in Gen 1:2 comes from, a destroyed, flooded, frozen(no light/warmth) earth.
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@satah5045 It's crazy to think today we have significantly greater knowledge of the texts and artifacts from modern archeology. Than most of Christian history. The farther away we get from the time of Christ the greater access has increased.
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@Nisikaa_ It doesn't... aside from the fact of what you presented...
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The ark had power because it was where Jesus resided. God abandoned Israel because of their sin. Jesus was then made flesh then ascended to heaven.
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@profesionalshitposter675 What is there to even invent? Sin is an absence, a void. It's disobedience from God.
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Satan is chained up after his defeat. Then after the thousand year reign of Christ he is brought up out of hell to be defeated along with all the rest of the fallen men still on the earth to put them all and the rest of the occupants of hell into their final destination, the lake of fire for eternity. The final defeat and end of sin forever. Now God destroys the universe and makes a new one without sin and it's corruption and influence tainting reality itself. It's a sequence of events that must happen with other details I have left out because I dont want to write a book here.
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@amadeosendiulo2137 Why would it be fiction? The track record of biblical prophecy is 100% accuracy. So why would you assume this time it's fiction? The track record of the accurate historicity of biblical events has also been exemplary where we've been able to verify. It has been found more accurate that historians of alexandria for historical record and correct spelling of names.
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@Robert-cr4fq Yes it even calls Jesus the nail. In reference to his death on the cross. And the nail God told Moses to use for the tabernacle walls which also represents Jesus, told to be half in the ground and half out representing his death and ressurection.
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@AnarchoPunkChad The representation of Jesus is extensive in the tabernacle. Everything represents him. Jesus became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law after all. It goes so far as to even the layout of the objects of the tabernacle, in that once a year when the High Priest would make the sacrifice and go into the holy of holies, they would make the sacrifice and dip their robe in the blood and walk to each article on the way to the holy of holies, the position of these articles and the High Priest walking to them every year would create a giant blood cross on the ground.
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@ThePewdieslender And rightfully so. Islam is the only historical account to deny the account of Jesus' crucifixion on the cross... 600+ years later. There is a reason why everyone disparages the Koran so much.
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@ThePewdieslender Yes it should if the belief is on said event. It's called reality. A lie is a lie is a lie. Every culture, every faith cannot be equal. Stop pandering.
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@deistormmods No there is not. The Koran is the only and 600 years after the fact. It's ridiculous and merits that pointed out.
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666 literally represents man. Biologists have found that is the number of our genetics. It fully represents man. All life everything is essentially just information as the text says God created everything with the word. Language spoken is information. I assume the mark of the beast being the number of man 666 represents something different. Something like casting off our rightful nature as being children of God in other words in communion with God, to instead identify as the flesh fallen man 666 separation from God. That is how I see it at least and of course that mark will be some sort of literal mark it's not talking about some theoretical 666 lol.
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It repeats itself because God is the same forever.
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no ones name was translated into a number. 666 literally as in the actual word literal, literally represents man. Biologists have found our genetics are represented in the number 666. All life is defined from the standpoint of this immaterial concept, information. Found in DNA. It makes sense to describe man from that perspective. It's just another example of the text being divinely inspired.
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@WeAreTheInsurgents What a clownish response. As if scientists set out to look for such a thing, nor did I say such a thing, nor did I say scientists were making a comparison. You aren't even coherent with such a response. How is a number that shows up in science "religious" lol. The information is public knowledge dumdum. Neither was that vague or an attempt. You sound seriously damaged to flip our and throw a tantrum as you just did about Christianity...
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@WeAreTheInsurgents here educate yourself then. https://youtu.be/zNgt9xG3zQU
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@WeAreTheInsurgents Am I supposed to care? The study was explained and referenced. Exactly what you asked for. Nothing more needs to be said. The channel has zero relevance to the conversation dumdum.
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@rav3style He found dozens of sites. He found basically almost the whole Exodus crossing. You are making some meaningless distinctions to the relevance of such a massive discovery and the relevance of why I brought it up. What are you talking about he made no claims about the book of exodus being real? Absolutely irrelevant, his work showed it was real!
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@JustYamYam Except that is a terrible argument disproven countless time. I suggest you look up one of the million articles or videos addressing the telephone argument.
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one of the judgments is described as producing a planet wide EMP attack. So that future tech won't be doing much as the outcome shows. They will be having to use horses.
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@joecoolioness6399 There is extensive scientific evidence which spans the sciences. There wasn't any hand picking of stories either, the biblical text was organically compiled and it's claims of divine inspiration has extensive evidence. Such as the continuity, 100% accuracy of prophecy and so on. God is not one dimensional he is not always loving. To be a good God requires he also must be just. Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which basically means like a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. As I already brought up it is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Like I said Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples. One can talk about intellectual, scientific, historical evidences extensively and one can understand and even accept the implications. They aren't enough. Being a Christian is coming as you are to Jesus and letting him do everything. He makes himself real to you, he changes you, he does everything. The bible says Jesus even has to put the desire to love him in you. Remember we are talking about God, mere humans, specks of dust don't even have the capacity for all these things. That is why they all must be supplied by Jesus, God. One just has to seek him and ask him to prove himself.
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@Nisikaa_ Your example is nonsensical. You just called having any standard cherry picking. So have a standard to be able to identify continuity and it's cherry picking, have no standard and nothing would exist. The continuity itself shows it's divine inspiration. The Bible is a library of sixty-six different books, long and short, written in different languages (Hebrew, Caldean and Greek), written in various countries (Judea, Babylon, 66 Books of the BibleAsia Minor, Greece and Italy), written in various times during a period stretching over about fifteen hundred years and with an intermission of about 400 years, written by about forty different authors, people with Egyptian culture, people with Jewish culture, people with Greek and Roman culture, people with no culture. Written by all sorts and conditions of men (priests, prophets, princes, peasants, warriors, statesmen, herdsmen, poets, publicans, physicians, fishermen, historians, lawyers, chroniclers, philosophers, orators, autocrats, exiles, rich, poor, evangelists, apostles), written to Jew and to Gentile, written to Greek and barbarian, to bond and to free, to men and to women, to young and to old, to individuals, congregations, the whole world. Written in the rush of the city and in the hush of the country; written in palace and in prison, written in prosperity and in adversity, written in the height of national glory on Mount Zion and in the depth of national shame beside quiet waters. These books contain prose, poetry, prophecy, history, type, antitype, sign, symbol, miracle, parable, biography, philosophy, description, travel, exploration, legislation, invitation, exhortation, denunciation, argumentation, commendation, indignation, prayers, blessings, curses, oration, consolation, fierce invective, impassioned appeal, and coolest and calmest logic, letters, hymns, pastorals, romance, tragedy and jubilee, sobbing sighs and shouts of joy, sermons, lyrics, proverbs, epigrams and axioms. Thinking on these facts, we must needs expect chaos as the outcome. It cannot be but that parts of this variegated library contradict other parts. But do we find it so? By no means! On the contrary and wonderful to relate, we find a marvelous unity of design and harmony in statements. Have you ever realized the Bible had so much unity? Fifteen hundred years, forty different authors, three different languages, five or six different countries. And yet with all of these variations, there’s still just one theme and it all harmonizes together. If you were a god and you’d created some people, and you wanted to communicate to them through a written word, wouldn’t you make sure that your Bible had characteristics like that? And someone might say, well, there’s really nothing all that hard about that, I mean, other books have been written like that. Well let’s see if that is really true. Why don’t we go down to some seminary, some theological seminary, but instead of getting people with different languages and from different countries and different backgrounds and over hundreds of years, why don’t we just get forty students who are all going there at the same time from the same country who have the same teachers and just ask them to do us a favor? Without conferring with each other, why don’t we ask them to write about a fifty page paper each, on the subject of God (His existence, His nature, His purposes), and man (where he came from, what he’s here for, where he’s going), and things about spiritual ideas. And then let’s collect all 2000 pages which would be about the length of a Bible, I suppose, and put them all together and see if they have the same kind of harmony that the Bible does. You say, well they might. Well, I’ll tell you what, why don’t you just go down to the library and find any 40 books off the shelf in the religious section and see if they all are in harmony with each other. You see it hasn’t been done. The Bible is totally unique.
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@CJ Baierl How could it not be? God never judges the wicked with the righteous. People who argue the other way forget this very important fact.
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I think it actually more represents Christ and the four offices he holds depicted in those books. Ox servant/sacrifice, Man man, Lion king, Eagle divinity. That is what my Hebrew pastor taught, and he went further on how those four offices Christ holds is also represented in the four colors on the gate of the tabernacle, which we all know the tabernacle represents Christ everywhere in it in al the objects. Christ became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law after all.
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You are forgetting the most important part, the four faces represents who Christ is in those Gospels, the four offices he holds. Human-Man, Lion-King, Ox-Servant/Sacrifice, Eagle-Divinity. There is also four colors associated with these four positions and is represented on the Gate of the tabernacle which we all know fully represents Christ. Who of course became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law.
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@Pelagion98 The second coming of Jesus he does an attack against the armies of the world that are attacking Jerusalem that is described as a nuclear energy attack . Peoples eyes and tongues melt out of their face and so on the text reads. The purpose of the ark was for God to reside at for a time. This was actually Jesus, the Word before he was made flesh, the same Jesus that walked in the garden of Eden with Adam and was the burning bush. It makes sense a same style attack is seen in the presence of the ark which is just the presence of Jesus.
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@5naxalotl You sound new to the topic to be this ignorant of Jewish information preservation. The book of Job alone was passed down through oral tradition before the written word. The preservation of all the biblical text has been exemplary. While not even addressing your claim it's already objectively absurd.
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@samallyoucan based on what?
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@samallyoucan lmao in other words you haven't the vaguest clue.
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@samallyoucan The consistency, historicity, and accuracy of the biblical text has long been established. Like I said earlier you are just saying whatever sounds good to suit your narrative. Reality does not agree. What you are doing has a word, it's called lying.
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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You explained the very reason the Son came with the first sentence. The irony in your comment is beyond cringe.
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wow filthy mouth...
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Fearing God is what the text says. It is healthy, it's supposed to be that there are consequences for ones actions. It is something we all forget too often myself included... the bible says God is wrath after all a holy wrath but that is still pretty scary given we are not perfect and fallen.
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@breakingames7772 I don't get it. God literally gave Adam, man, gold aka money, an inheritance right from the start. God called that gold good. The bible says God gives man wealth to establish his covenant. Jesus said I wish above all else you prosper. Meaning in all things including physical wealth. Tithing is first fruits you can tithe however you want, you can give your time volunteering as a tithe
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they represent the four positions Jesus holds, man-man, ox-servant/sacrifice,lion-king,eagle-divinity
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@somerandomfatguy.3384 Nothing about torture. it's about God seeing the suffering and torture of man and becoming a part of it to redeem us from it. It's literally a love letter from God. You would actually have to be sadistic to think what you just wrote.
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@shysmy19 You are making a fool of yourself. The bible doesnt even remotely say the age of the earth far less 6000 years. In fact it eludes to it being very old. You clearly don't realize this "fairytale" is the sole source of the big bang theory which it was derived from dumdum. Christianity also birthed modern science and universities, and the rise of the West which ultimately brought humanity into the modern age. You would be plowing a field and dead by 40 most likely if not for Christianity.
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@tacitozetticci9308 Oh really? You make such a claim you have to have such examples where this happened. You don't.
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@FelixErikson How do you expect to make a coherent comment when you clearly have zero concept of the conversation and are just making up whatever sounds good in your head? That's called lying and hint hint that probably means you don't have anything worth saying.
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@AnarchoPunkChad Ya I don't know anything personally showing that given the cross is represented by largely just wood in the old testament like with the serpent nailed to the pole for Israel to look on to be healed, or Issac representing the Son walking up the "hill" carrying the "wood" to be sacrificed and the Father provided the sacrifice a ram at the end representing the Lamb of God. Or blood, it's always in reference to sacrifice/death to something. Like death to sin or the flesh. I've never seen the trinity represented in the cross anywhere in the text. It's always fully only Jesus because he is the only member of the trinity that paid the price so it would seem that distinction is something kept on purpose to only give Jesus the glory for the work of the cross.
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@somerandomfatguy.3384 lol you have some audacity to even show your face again after making a complete fool of yourself
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@somerandomfatguy.3384 you that's who, as we've already established.
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@ThePewdieslender Seeking the truth and pointing out lies is never disgusting. It's righteous and just. It's pathetic you would make such a heinous comment. The truth will set you free. Living in lies is bondage. Accepting people has never been part of this conversation. The conversation was thoughts and ideas. Even now you are still pandering. What a vile and toxic worldview. If a blind man is about to walk into the middle of traffic I'd rather save them instead of let them kill themself unlike you.
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@FelixErikson If you don't understand what is written then google a resource. There are countless ones on the hundreds of supposed "contradictions." Hint hint it usually means cross referencing with another account to establish the context. The fact you haven't shows you are either too lazy or never cared to know the answer in the first place and are willingly ignorant.
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@VicMikesvideodiary You got nothing clown. I was dead on the nail you got all your absurdity from zeitgeist. Sun of God equates to Son of God. lmao that's the level of stupidity you are referencing as arguments. It's all logical fallacy of false cause, and using language borrowed from Christianity to then argue paganism against it. Virtually all of it dating also long past Christianity. And unlike these pagan myths, the "religion of Paul" was based on real current events. The mystery cults were non-exclusive, Christianity exclusive huge difference. The reality is all these pagan mystery cults were largely influenced by Christianity not the other way around. Martin Luther made several heretical assertions. His opinion on what is cannon 1500 years after the fact means zilch. Revelation was widely accepted by all the early church fathers and mentioned right at the start by many. Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, the Muratorian Fragment, Hippolytus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Origen. Go back to the circus.
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@scottjohnstone6204 That is absurd. It sounds like you watched that ridiculous zeitgeist movie cash grab made up by the author trying to link mythology of ancient Egypt to the biblical text. It's absurd. The level argument is Sun of God to Son of God it's so far fetched. So if you actually think there is a relation you mind want to study a little closer...
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@Martin Luther Exactly. Here is one of the studies that references this profound discovery. This video explains the study and the study is referenced at the end. This is the shortest vid I could find. I'm not quite sure the finer context of the scope it has. I think a person needs more of a science background. I think it could also be in reference to all genetics of all life not just man. So in other words 666 like you are bringing up is in relation to all fallen flesh/life and tied to the fall. We see this happened since biology will be different under the 1000 year reign on Christ on earth. Maybe you can make sense if it's talking about genetics generalized or just in relation to human genetics. I think I may have misunderstood and it's all genetics. https://youtu.be/zNgt9xG3zQU
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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Angels don't teach. They give God's word. They have no personal relationship or access to revelation of God. They literally have to watch us to see how God deals with us to get revelation about God. I believe the bible also says one day man will even be teaching the angels, or maybe it's just above angels in rank. I can't remember on that one.
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@petervermeer.4904 The bible says most of them look like men and their residence is heaven not earth. That they can appear meaning they are interdimensional beings and can make themself seen or not. So that is three good reasons right there. There is nothing in the bible that speaks of angels as "spiritual" or lacking a physical body. Only demons are mentioned as disembodied spirits.
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What do you mean? There was no "deciding" what went into the bible. The bible was compiled organically overtime based on the books that the early church ended up using during sunday service. There was no counsel that decided what went in. That is a myth.
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@Martin Luther Right also even around hundred years before Constantine, church fathers were quoting and recognized the complete canon. That is more where I'm coming from. I believe there is even some quotes from the council demonstrating the canon was established already too! Paul Maier had an article on this.
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@tzvi7989 Thank you for your response.
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@missmissingyou2550 I agree
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A God means a mind, which means logic. Not a force of nature with random unguided process, chaos. There should be logic to be found. This is the mindset Christianity gave and Newton popularized with his publication which led to modern science because of Christianity. This logical mindset. This is what led to the rise of the West and why it never happened in the East and they stagnated for thousands of years.
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@StaySqueezy12 I never said otherwise. I brought up what the symbol of the mark partially represents.
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@TheRexhim That profound discovery of 666 in genetics was published in a scientific paper. I found a short video that explains it and the paper is listed at the end of the video if you wanted to look into it more. I think it might actually be in reference to genetics in general in relation to all life. Not just of man. It has been awhile since I went over it. That would tie into how biology was tainted after the fail and how it will be partially restored during the 1000 year reign of Christ. https://youtu.be/zNgt9xG3zQU
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Genesis shows the outcome of the earth destroyed by two floods fyi. Don't forget about the destruction of the earth during lucifers fall and the pre=adamic race he turned against God. That is how they became disembodied spirits. Fallen angels are not demons, they have a physical body and were never residents of earth. Neither are the two imprisoned in the same underworlds. Fallen angels tartarus, demons the pit/abyss according the the biblical text.
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@xaayer How can you say I'm confused when I literally just wrote it was discovered and published. Dr Adam Zertal chairman of the department of archeology of Haifa in Israel published his findings in a paper. Can you even read English? lol what kind of a response...
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@rav3style "simply" lol
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@rav3style "Just because," I don't remember making such a claim.
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@rav3style Neither have you established this source as "fictitious" let me remind you.
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@bonesrhodes3762 Your response is nonsensical given the context of what you are responding to. Reading comprehension is a skill worth developing.
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@jonathanl5567 If they were psychedelic they wouldn't hold continuity. They are divinely inspired.
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He literally already did that. You can see the result in Gen 1:2.
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Needless to say, extensive conjecture here.
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@Mariah Lee you both don't realize the bible says the saints will be there?
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It sounds good but I doubt it. The bible says the blood Jesus shed was gathered up and is kept in a fountain in heaven. Which is why our sins are still forgiven today, the sacrifice is eternally active which is why Christians can still claim the power of the blood and people can still be saved. Jesus being fully man and God means the blood shed cannot die and is eternal. So why would any blood be left to stain the mercy seat of a imperfect earthy representation of the real mercy seat in heaven. That is where his shed blood would only need to be. It's where God sees us through in heaven, through the blood through the sacrifice pure and holy. God does not reside on the ark anymore. No purpose of the blood on that mercy seat.
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They represent the offices Jesus holds as described in the four Gospels. It has nothing to do with the zodiac. man-man, lion-king, eagle-divinity, ox-servant/sacrifice
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@ameliakoke1852 you have a seizure? maybe you should open another horoscope clown. You clearly never knew you were getting owned today lol. Christianity is the only game in town nothing else comes close theologically or scientifically. Your ignorance is not mine.
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@ameliakoke1852 you forget to take your meds today? rofl clown show
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The bible says God's people will know the season. Not the exact time.
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@moe8577 No that isn't true. It is clearly stating Jesus and the Holy Spirit do not know the mind of the Father. The bible says in multiple places the Spirit searcheth the deep things of God. If He has to search he doesn't know. Deep calleth unto deep at the noise of thy waterspouts as my very youtube name is touches exactly on this fact. The bible makes clear Jesus and the Holy Spirit are God over and over and over and that God is a trinity. Very first verse in the bible establishes this giving the plural for God Elohim. Few verses later the text says God made man in "our" image. Only God has creation power, another example of the trinity. The list establishing Jesus and the Holy Spirit as God is extensive. It sounds like you are repeating cult doctrine.
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@AmandaHugandKiss411 Exactly? lmao they were far off the deep end and completely unbiblical.
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@catzip99 You commented to the wrong person dumdum. I never said such a thing.
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@Elisabeth_Hass It's like in Revelation during the second coming of Jesus and the armies infront of Jerusalem start having their body parts melt off of them in the presence of Jesus who they are trying to attack.
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the telephone argument has never been valid and been addressed and disproven countless times. There are countless videos and articles you could have read or watched at any point in your life.
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@TheRexhim huh? how? there isn't even a face of an angel, it's clearly stated as the face of a man...
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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No it's a reference to the four offices Jesus holds as described in the four Gospels.
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@azeamonero9886 it would be cruel and sadistic if he never did such things. God is wrath, it's a righteous wrath. If someone killed your killed would you not want justice for them? That justice is righteous not cruel and sadistic. You have no moral compass to lack comprehension for such things.
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@Dovahkiin0117 Correct and like with everything else while studying you have to establish the context otherwise it's something called "cherry picking."
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Bible states the common angels just look like men. No wings. No animal heads. There are different "species" of angels.
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A text says Jeremiah hid the ark when they were invaded. So that is likely what happened end of story here and we don't know if it's been found because it's certainly hasn't been made public knowledge if it was.
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@5naxalotl You got nothing clown. I was dead on the nail you got all your absurdity from zeitgeist. Sun of God equates to Son of God. lmao that's the level of stupidity you are referencing as arguments. It's all logical fallacy of false cause, and using language borrowed from Christianity to then argue paganism against it. Virtually all of it dating also long past Christianity. And unlike these pagan myths, the "religion of Paul" was based on real current events. The mystery cults were non-exclusive, Christianity exclusive huge difference. The reality is all these pagan mystery cults were largely influenced by Christianity not the other way around. Only someone severely ignorant or in denial thinks naturalism can create information, what all life is based on. That rationality can come from irrationality lmao or naturalism can account for something from nothing. There is no naturalistic explanation for life nor the universe nor the creation of the universe. Intelligent Design and thus Christianity is the only game in town. Atheism is a fairytale for those afraid of the light. Stay scientifically and historically ignorant all you want but don't come here pretending to not be. Shameless!
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@5naxalotl You made the absurd comment and got called out. You have some nerve and audacity to come back and show your face still after making such a fool of yourself. You have nothing but outlandish absurd baseless accusations you are parroting from fools who made them up to make easy money off of the gullible like you.
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@samallyoucan Says the clown that instantly dismisses the biblical text as an historical document when it's been found to be more accurate than secular historical records. The biblical text has been found more accurate than the historians of Alexandira. The biblical text is the only source that got the creation account correct. The biblical text has 100% accuracy of prophecy. The biblical text has had no noteworthy issue with transcription being passed on over 3500+ years. The exodus path has been discovered including where the tabernacle was set up matching the dimensions in the biblical text. Yet you want to say this one object was missing at that location and others despite everything else being correct? That logically is absurd. Then you want to argue there is no extra-biblical account of the ark as proof which also is no such thing. Secondly it wouldn't even make sense if there was, it was only 1 person a year saw besides it being stored away far less the time period it is mentioned and lack of writings and documents of that time. You don't even have an argument you are just saying whatever sounds good in your head. All evidence points towards it existing. There is no reason to doubt it's historicity what so ever. Then you have the audacity to mock belief in a God when you believe you evolved from a pool of slime that magically wrote code and manifested it's own DNA and DNA replicator and a fine tuned universe that appeared out of nothing magically manifested itself. lol have some shame.
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@samallyoucan You have nothing, your premise of your argument is illogical and absurd. Everything points towards it existing. The multiple books written by different authors over many years IS evidence, as is the dimensions and structure of the tabernacle, temple, and rest of biblical narrative mirroring coherently the context surrounding it. You are ridiculous. Atheism is a fairy tale for those afraid of the light.
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@samallyoucan lmao the biblical text is far from accurate? that should be easy to prove then lol. You got nothing go home clown.
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@chesnickgercken1831 It sounds like you’ve done some serious research on this. Just curious, what are some of the books you’ve read on the transmission of the Biblical text? Well, fortunately, this popular claim isn’t true. To show that the Bible has been tampered with and changed, you’d have to be able to point to ancient copies of the Bible and show us what they used to say, and then show us the differences in what the Bible says now. But that’s the very thing you can’t do, because our modern copies of the Bible say what the ancient copies say. And for good reason! Our modern Bibles are translated directly from the ancient manuscript copies of the Bible. In addition to this, we can also compare our modern Bibles to the surviving writings of Christians in the second and third century. They quoted the text of the Bible thousands of times in their writings. And when we compare our Bibles to their ancient quotations of the Bible, we see again that the Bibles we use today are accurate copies of the Bible the early church used. Such an argument is ridiculous because it shows you've never bothered to examine the topic and are making ignorant claims off the top of your head.
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@chesnickgercken1831 The lord of the rings never had 100% accuracy of prophecy. Is the source of the big bang theory and only account to get the creation event wholly correct, nothing else comes close. Or has continuity across 66 books written by multiple authors across multiple continents and thousands of years in multiple languages from multiple cultures and professions. You sound confused about the claims and conversation if you are bringing up lord of the rings in such a way when someone is only addressing the ignorant assertion YOU previously brought up. How disingenuous of you to do.
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@ShawnCheriYoung You are confused Jesus represents the complete perfect substitution. The scapegoat(sin) and sacrifice(payment). The goat represents sin, nothing to do with Satan. Satan bears no sin of man. Never has. Goats represent sin in the bible. The animal sacrifice was only a covering from sin. The sacrifice of Jesus fully cleanses sin. That is why there was a scapegoat, to place the sin on the goat and to cast it away because the blood of animals could not destroy sin. Only provide a covering to protect against it. That is what atone means cover. Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
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@ShawnCheriYoung Jesus took on all sin and payed the price God demands of it. Satan never. Satan is not a representation of sin, Satan is a person who also sinned. Sin is disobedience to God.
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@ShawnCheriYoung Satan may know scripture but he does not understand the revelation. No angel does. Otherwise Jesus would not have accomplished the work of the cross. The bible says the angels have to observe how God deals with man to receive revelation of who God is. Jesus became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law. Jesus took on the full burden of all sin, remember him sweating blood in the garden? Jesus defeated sin by being the perfect and sufficient sacrifice being fully man and God. The text says nothing about Satan being the scapegoat but Jesus being it. The snake on the pole Israel looked to when diseased represented sin destroyed on the cross by Jesus. The 11 strands of goats hair(sin) connected to the nail(Jesus as said in Isaiah) with the nail half in half out represents sin destroyed on the cross by Jesus. Jesus bore that sin not Satan. What you are saying is not mentioned in the text. It sounds like you are bringing up some Moromon or Jehovah Witness Christian cult ideology.
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@ShawnCheriYoung The purpose of the scapegoat was to cast our sins upon to get rid of them. A substitution. The scapegoat in the old testament was needed because the blood of animals was only atonement a covering and the sin needed to be cast away. It was not destroyed. Jesus became the scapegoat and sacrifice together. All sin was cast upon Jesus and he died on the cross making the payment for it. The blood Jesus shed fully destroyed the sin because the price was sufficient unlike the blood of animals. He was cast into the wilderness which is what hell is commonly referenced as and he completed the defeat of sin by stealing back the keys from Satan. Otherwise the bible would instruct us to cast our sins upon Satan now because the work of the cross was not sufficient. What you are saying is the blood Jesus shed is not enough. It was just a sacrifice, a covering not the perfect sacrifice to destroy the sin. It doesn't, only the blood of Jesus is needed. The bible says Jesus became the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law. The full price has been paid.
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@ShawnCheriYoung Satan being the scapegoat is not in scripture. Nor anything to do with the scapegoat. Never in scripture does God say he will lay the sins of his people on Satan. That is reserved only God. Only God can remove sins. Heb 10:16-17. The two goats together make a complete atonement. Satan has no agency in any of this. Christ fulfilled the purpose of the scapegoat and sacrifice and completed this work on the cross. It is done. There is no more need for a scapegoat just as there isn't for a sacrifice. It's completely contrary to scripture to say there is still a need for a scapegoat far less Satan is when he never was. This denies the deity of Jesus and says his sacrifice was not sufficient. It was sufficient. This sounds like a Christian cult doctrine. Only Jesus Bore and Removed Our Sins Psa 103:12 (NIV) "as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us." 1 Pet 2:24 (NIV) "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed." Isa 53:6 NIV) "We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all." Isa 53:11 (NIV) "After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied ; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities."
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@ShawnCheriYoung The bibles says 1 Pet 2:24 (NIV) "He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; by his wounds you have been healed."
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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Study cosmology and you'll be leaning back to Christianity. Science has basically advanced to the point of ruling out naturalism as a model. All that is left is intelligent design of which Christianity is the only game in town.
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666 has nothing to do with nero. it's literally the number of man, the number of our genome in biology. it literally as in the word means literal, represents man.
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Psychedelic experiences don't have continuity that spans dozens of authors writings over thousands of years written in multiple languages. It speaks of divine inspiration.
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It has nothing to do with what you are saying. It represents the four positions Jesus holds and the four Gospels and those positions of Jesus being told. Man-Man, Ox-Servant/Sacrifice, Lion-King, Eagle-Divinity
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The only biblically accurate angels that can be imaged is the common ones which look just like men, no wings.
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You got to be kidding. The bible is the most plagiarized book in history. Countless fictions have been based on biblical plots.
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The pre-Adamic race, fall of Lucifer and destruction of the earth is also a interesting topic of the bible. It's another apocalypse just not ours, someone elses that already happened.
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it doesn't wrap up quickly. there is literally a thousand year pause before the last battle lol
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@justsomeguy4099 Everyone having a conversation. Just someguy- "arguing"
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@shaunfromdabust Aliens can't tell the future.
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@deistormmods sure
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@VicMikesvideodiary You haven't the vaguest clue what you are talking about. Revelations was written long before Vatican and Constantine. As was the bible fully compiled. Neither was anything stolen from Egyptian myth. It sounds like you watched that Zeitgeist nonsense that was made up by the author as a cash grab and panned by scholars day of release. You have zero proof of your claims because they are nonsense. All you have is extremely vague and off tangent irrelevant conjecture.
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@deistormmods lmao you got to be kidding, you are actually denying the historicity of Jesus now?! And you actually used the argument Tactitus was born after the death of Jesus as if that invalidates him?! The absurdity! Tacitus is literally known as the "Historian of Rome." He is the most recognized historian of the Roman empire! He made his historical accounts while having access to official Roman records!!!! Like Pilates records which have been lost now but not then. And he is a hostile source. It literally doesn't get any better than Tacitus as a secular source! And you blatantly and shamelessly argue as if he is a nobody. Outrageous!
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@deistormmods What do you think Tacitus made his historical records from? Hello? It was all primary sources. You are being absurd.
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@deistormmods The ones he used. This is Tacitus remember?
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@deistormmods You act like that matters lol. In this case he is the source and that is enough for every historian that has ever lived. Maybe look into who Tacitus was. This conversation is ridiculous.
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@VicMikesvideodiary lmao looks like the satanist can't control himself and is manifesting. Atheism is a fairytale for those afraid of the light. Mankinds most proven knowledge the space time theorems have told us there must be a God. Borde and Vilenkin took Hawking and Penrose work on classic general relativity and expanded it as far as possible with 5 papers in an attempt to disprove the Big Bang and it's Christian implications and concluded "all reasonable cosmic models are subject to the relentless grip of the space-time theorems." They gave examples where you wouldn't need an absolute beginning to space and time but in such models you wouldn't have life. So there has to be a causal agent beyond space and time(God). But are they a personal "God"(intelligent, caring) or "something else." Fine tuning argument tells us the causal agent is a personal God. So we logically have God, and a personal God. So an easy test is which faith gives us the big bang, and fine tuning implications of an intelligent caring God. Well which has a personal caring God, and gets the claims of a big bang creation correct? Only Christianity nothing else comes close. You will never do away with the need for God. Atheism is a fairytale.
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@VicMikesvideodiary Now that science has advanced, all of Atheists speculations are based on non-empirical arguments and that shows just how weak their case is. Christianity is attributed to bringing about modern science(Newton and the Christian mindset he published), scientific method("test all things and hold fast to that which is true" Christian scripture followed), universities(Oxford first university, Christianity), which came about in the Christian West not the East and led to the rise of the West, which ultimately brought humanity into the modern age. That is what highly noted scholar and scientist Joseph Needham of Cambridge concluded from his life's work studying this. The coherent inherentness of the universe mindset which comes from knowing a logical God created the universe thus logic should be found in the universe changed the course of humanity forever. You can thank Issac Newton for publishing that and making it mainstream. Atheism is a worthless fairytale.
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@VicMikesvideodiary origin of life can't account for creation of DNA far less the DNA replicator molecule. The idea of a mind behind life has been far more logical since the discovery of DNA it hasn't had the opposite effect. We've come to the point one of the fundamental concepts used to explain biological science for example is an immaterial concept. Information, in DNA. Irrationality does not give rise to rationality. The burden of proof is on those who claim that it does. The evidence of the existence of DNA, of the human mind, of the ability to do mathematics goes way beyond what the whole endeavor of evolution can account for. The belief in God is not a science stopper it's a science starter. Following your reasoning your brain is the result of mindless unguided process, why should I or you trust anything you have to say? You wouldn't if your computer was made in such a way. Atheism is a joke.
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@VicMikesvideodiary Why evolution isn't true... 1. Offspring are new combinations of pre-existing genetic information. Therefore, there is no new genetic information coming into existence and therefore there is no evolution occurring. 2. Millions or billions of nucleotide bases working together in an intelligent manner in order to create an animal can only come from the mind of a genius. Why don't we see evolution happening today? That's because it is too slow. Why don't we see evolution in the fossil record? That's because it is too fast. lmao ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) FICTION: lightning bolts can strike a pool of prebiotic minutiae and manifest a quaternary 4 billion unit self-correcting self-replicating bioinformatic system complete with ribosomes, vesicles, enzymes, proteins, ATP. You probably thought some scientist somewhere has a coherent theory about how biology began! 😂 too much funny This attitude is not very different from that of the Nobel Prize winning physiologist George Wald, who wrote candidly in 1954: “When it comes to the origin of life, we have only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility. … Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 100 years ago by Louis Pasteur, Spelazani, Reddy and others. That leads us scientifically to only one possible conclusion — that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God. … I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.” Atheism is for the scientifically illiterate.
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@FelixErikson I'm not the one that has had to resort to knowingly lie everytime they post. You've already been school on this very claim. Shameless you'd crawl back here and post such a thing.
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@-LTUIiiin Corruption of existing information isn't new information. Go use a random number generator and see if it can produce code. It won't. You can read the studies doing that did the same thing.
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@Nisikaa_ Try again. Nebuchadnezzar did destroy the coastal cities. However, the people of the port of Tyre had obviously relocated to the island city, which they were able to successfully defend against the Babylonian invaders. Nebuchadnezzar had defeated and plundered the cities on the shore, as Ezekiel prophesied in 26:7–11, but he could not defeat the island city. This fact is reported in Ezekiel 29:18. Further, verse 12 marks a shift from the prophecy concerning Nebuchadnezzar to prophetic declarations about other invaders. Verse 3 had already introduced the idea of many invaders in the statement, “I ... will cause many nations to come up against you.” As history records, many nations did come up against the island city of Tyre, but it was Alexander the Great, laying siege against the island city of Tyre in about 332 b.c., who finally conquered the city and left it in total ruins so that it was never rebuilt. When rightly understood, Ezekiel’s prophecy perfectly fits the historical record.
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prob dead or some of the survivors. one of the attacks is described as an EMP attack so likely a solar flare. If you are living in space and get hit with a emp life support is down and death is a possible outcome.
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It doesn't. It literally represents man. biologists found human genetics produces the number 666. 666 is literally the identify of man itself. The mark of the beast uses this number because it represents the person vowing to separate themself from God and fully identify as the fallen flesh. Not as being a spirit in communion with God which is what the text states we really are, and meant to be doing.
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@Cutie_Oni what? no. It's righteous justice. Jesus comes and saves Israel right when it's being attacked.
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Or pyramid. It doesn't have to be a cube.
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@firebyrd437 no it doesn't. and furthermore God never judges the wicked with the righteous. There is no way possible God's people will endure the tribulation.
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@firebyrd437 lmao not even remotely you have zero argument there. sounds like you watched that made up movie zeitgeist that was a cash grab by the author. if you looked into any one of your assertions you'd see how absurd they are. have some shame you are making a complete fool of yourself to be that illiterate of history
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@firebyrd437 If I wanted to talk about God existing I'd write. Mankinds most proven knowledge the space time theorems have told us there must be a God. Borde and Vilenkin took Hawking and Penrose work on classic general relativity and expanded it as far as possible with 5 papers in an attempt to disprove the Big Bang and it's Christian implications and concluded "all reasonable cosmic models are subject to the relentless grip of the space-time theorems." They gave examples where you wouldn't need an absolute beginning to space and time but in such models you wouldn't have life. So there has to be a causal agent beyond space and time(God). But are they a personal "God"(intelligent, caring) or "something else." Fine tuning argument tells us the causal agent is a personal God. So we logically have God, and a personal God. So an easy test is which faith gives us the big bang, and fine tuning implications of an intelligent caring God. Well which has a personal caring God, and gets the claims of a big bang creation correct? Only Christianity nothing else comes close.
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@firebyrd437 No there is not 700 inconsistencies in the bible. You are getting that from an atheist website that disingenuously makes up these inconsistencies. Or have the reading comprehension of a toddler. Clearly you have never bothered to search any of this inconsistencies being addressed. Case in point your 144 000 nonsense. Some take the “144,000 of all the tribes of Israel” to be a spiritual reference to Christians. However, this view is not supported by the facts. First, the word “tribes” is never used of anything but a literal ethnic group in Scripture. Furthermore, if the number is taken seriously, surely it grossly under represents the number of believers there will be in heaven. True, the Bible nowhere reveals the exact number of believers there will be in heaven, but since there are billions of humans alive, and since there are easily multiplied millions of these who are saved, this is obviously not a reference to the total number of redeemed of all time. In addition, even the physical dimensions of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:16–17), to say nothing of the rest of God’s vast universe, could contain a much larger number than 144,000 people. Revelation 7:9 declares that there were, in addition to the 144,000, “a great multitude ... of all nations” who were also redeemed, which not only indicates that the saved are not limited to them but that the passage makes more sense if taken literally.
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Marylin Hickey has a much better explanation if you are looking for one.
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if that was the case there would be no continuity spanning dozens of authors writing those 66 books over thousands of years and in different languages. cool theory though.
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