Youtube comments of WaterspoutsOfTheDeep (@WaterspoutsOfTheDeep).
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@Mrpersonman0 What delusion? This wasn't from him but God. Delusions don't have continuity that spans across dozens of authors and thousands of years.
The Bible is a library of sixty-six different books, long and short, written in different languages (Hebrew, Caldean and Greek), written in various countries (Judea, Babylon, 66 Books of the BibleAsia Minor, Greece and Italy), written in various times during a period stretching over about fifteen hundred years and with an intermission of about 400 years, written by about forty different authors, people with Egyptian culture, people with Jewish culture, people with Greek and Roman culture, people with no culture.
Written by all sorts and conditions of men (priests, prophets, princes, peasants, warriors, statesmen, herdsmen, poets, publicans, physicians, fishermen, historians, lawyers, chroniclers, philosophers, orators, autocrats, exiles, rich, poor, evangelists, apostles), written to Jew and to Gentile, written to Greek and barbarian, to bond and to free, to men and to women, to young and to old, to individuals, congregations, the whole world. Written in the rush of the city and in the hush of the country; written in palace and in prison, written in prosperity and in adversity, written in the height of national glory on Mount Zion and in the depth of national shame beside quiet waters. These books contain prose, poetry, prophecy, history, type, antitype, sign, symbol, miracle, parable, biography, philosophy, description, travel, exploration, legislation, invitation, exhortation, denunciation, argumentation, commendation, indignation, prayers, blessings, curses, oration, consolation, fierce invective, impassioned appeal, and coolest and calmest logic, letters, hymns, pastorals, romance, tragedy and jubilee, sobbing sighs and shouts of joy, sermons, lyrics, proverbs, epigrams and axioms.
Thinking on these facts, we must needs expect chaos as the outcome. It cannot be but that parts of this variegated library contradict other parts. But do we find it so? By no means! On the contrary and wonderful to relate, we find a marvelous unity of design and harmony in statements.
Have you ever realized the Bible had so much unity? Fifteen hundred years, forty different authors, three different languages, five or six different countries. And yet with all of these variations, there’s still just one theme and it all harmonizes together. If you were a god and you’d created some people, and you wanted to communicate to them through a written word, wouldn’t you make sure that your Bible had characteristics like that? And someone might say, well, there’s really nothing all that hard about that, I mean, other books have been written like that. Well let’s see if that is really true.
Why don’t we go down to some seminary, some theological seminary, but instead of getting people with different languages and from different countries and different backgrounds and over hundreds of years, why don’t we just get forty students who are all going there at the same time from the same country who have the same teachers and just ask them to do us a favor? Without conferring with each other, why don’t we ask them to write about a fifty page paper each, on the subject of God (His existence, His nature, His purposes), and man (where he came from, what he’s here for, where he’s going), and things about spiritual ideas. And then let’s collect all 2000 pages which would be about the length of a Bible, I suppose, and put them all together and see if they have the same kind of harmony that the Bible does.
You say, well they might. Well, I’ll tell you what, why don’t you just go down to the library and find any 40 books off the shelf in the religious section and see if they all are in harmony with each other. You see it hasn’t been done. The Bible is totally unique.
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@martinscarton4561 This is what I said to another guy that asked the same question. So please forgive the copy paste.
Mankinds most proven knowledge the space time theorems have told us there must be a God. Borde and Vilenkin took Hawking and Penrose work on classic general relativity and expanded it as far as possible with 5 papers in an attempt to disprove the Big Bang and it's Christian implications and concluded "all reasonable cosmic models are subject to the relentless grip of the space-time theorems." They gave examples where you wouldn't need an absolute beginning to space and time but in such models you wouldn't have life. So there has to be a causal agent beyond space and time(God, but are they a personal God?) that is both intelligent and caring(fine tuning argument tells us the causal agent is). So an easy test is which faith gives us the big bang, and fine tuning implications of an intellegent caring God. Well which has a personal caring God, and gets the claims of the start of the universe and big bang correct, Christianity nothing else comes close.
It's not going to get much better than God coming right in the flesh and saying he is God which he did, Jesus. But the point is even that isn't enough for one to give their life to Jesus because all the disciples who saw Jesus do great miracles like walk on water, raise the dead, turn water into wine, all denied Jesus on the cross. It wasn't until the Holy Spirit was given after Jesus, whos promise is to reveal Jesus and make him real to us. It was only then that people would truly give their lives to Jesus and be willing to die for their relationship with Jesus and they did. From not even the disciples willing to die for their belief to hundreds of thousands of Christians being killed in the Colosseum. The point being all the evidence in the world even if God came in the flesh and did undeniable miracles right infront of you all of that wouldn't even be enough for you to give your life to him. That's why one must test him and ask Jesus to prove himself to you. Being a Christian is nothing more than a relationship with Jesus, it's not about blind faith. You can't have a relationship with nothing. All that evidence is great but it only is good enough to get you to the point to ask Jesus to prove himself to you. His promise is if you seek him you'll find him.
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@Marwanskii Actually you sound delusional.
"Pretty much "Nothing can come from something but my god is an exception even tho I have no proof that he exists other than an ancient book written by bronze age sheep herders"."
Did you just post without even watching the video? Krauss' nothing is not the complete absence of anything. Secondly the big bang tells us there is a causal agent.
Science doesn't paint a complete picture it gives us pieces of information all over. We have to compile them and see where they lead. Tally up the evidence see which side it leans to. That's how we test such arguments such as God vs naturalism. We have extremely overwhelming evidence now with both the Big Bang and fine tuning together for intelligent design.
"no proof that he exists other than an ancient book written by bronze age sheep herders"."
lmao what? We have a very large amount of secular documentation of Jesus outside the biblical text. He was literally the most documented person of his time. Also it's absurd to discount the biblical accounts as not evidence. Talk about bias. The books of the bible were written over thousands of years not just the bronze age, nor were they illiterate sheep herders but some of the most educated men of their time. You haven't the vaguest clue what you are talking about. The history of the formation of the biblical text and it's continuity alone speaks of it's divine inspiration.
http://www.garyhabermas.com/books/historicaljesus/historicaljesus.htm#ch9
"You get your information about a celestial being from a book which has several inconsistencies and contradictions and is full of immoral preachings."
What inconsistencies, contradictions and immoral preachings?
"Not to mention all the claims that have been debunked by science."
What claims that have been debunked by science? Modern archeology alone has dug up something like 10 000 artifacts in the last 100 years with around 90% confirmation of the biblical text which is a very high amount. We had a south korean ship building company computer model noah's ark and found it to be extremely well designed, it wouldn't even capsize until 50 meter waves. Tsunami waves are 25-30 meters for reference. We found the wall of Jericho destroyed except for one portion which was Rahabs house just like scripture. We found artifacts confirming Solomon, King Davids temple(which used solely scripture proving it's predictive power documented in a Israeli journal), found coins from King Hezekiah, the tomb of Caiaphas the high priest that brought charges against Jesus, a plaque Pontius Pilate, an Atheist Israeli professor of archeology Ze'ev Herzog found and published the whole Exodus route with dozens of archeological sites along it from camps with stones arranged symbolizing the 12 tribes to stated altars on mountain tops, to the rock Moses split in half with his rod and water came out which is several stories high and has water erosion, to radar imaging showing where Israel cross the Red see due to an underwater land bridge. He found so much evidence he became a Christian. List goes on and on. We have 100% accuracy of prophecy where we have documentation of the prophecy before said events giving undeniable proof such as in the case of Daniel.
The biblical text does not promote flat earth but actually the opposite nor 10 000 year old earth but an extremely old earth.
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14Schofield
Here are a few doctors views on vaccines.
“The only safe vaccine is one that is never used.” – Dr. James A. Shannon, MD, former director of the National Institutes of Health (1955-1968)
“There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good.” – Dr. J. Anthony Morris, formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA
“My own personal view is that vaccines are unsafe and worthless. I will not allow myself to be vaccinated again....Vaccines may be profitable but in my view, they are neither safe nor effective.” – Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB, ChB, DSc (Hon)
“Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio....The treatment of cancer and degenerative diseases is a national scandal. The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be.” – Dr. Allen Greenberg, MD
“I found the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD
“The vaccinations are not working and they are dangerous. We should be working with nature.” – Dr. Lendon Smith, MD
“In my medical career I’ve treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones.” – Dr. Philip Incao, MD
“There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“Nobody needs to be confused but everybody better be darn well frightened about taking any vaccine, under any circumstance, for any reason, at any time in their life.” – Dr. Daniel H. Duffy Sr., DC (retired air force officer – 21 yrs., family doctor – 28 yrs., vaccination researcher – 49 yrs.)
“I have no faith in vaccination; nay, I look upon it with the greatest possible disgust, and firmly believe that it is often the medium of conveying many filthy and loathsome diseases from one child to another, and no protection whatever against small pox. Indeed, I consider we are now living in the Jennerian epoch for the slaughter of innocents, and the unthinking portion of the adult population.” – Dr. W.J. Collins, MD, BS, BSc, MRCS
“I vaccinated both my children with the MMR jab, but this was before I started my research into the problems associated with it. Knowing what I know now, I would not vaccinate my children and run the risk of them getting diabetes, asthma, eczema, becoming more susceptible to meningitis and ending up chronically disabled.” – Dr. Jayne Donegan, GP, Homeopath
“I once believed in Jenner; I once believed in Pasteur. I believed in vaccination. I believed in vivisection. But I changed my views as the result of hard thinking.” – Dr. Walter Hadwen, MD, LSA, MRCS, LRCP, MB, BS, BSc
“There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.” – Dr. J. Anthony Morris, formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA
“There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” – Dr. Paul Frame, MD, Journal of Family Practice
“Only after realizing that routine immunizations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD
“To create fear among parents to strengthen their motivation to vaccinate is an important part of the publicity used to promote vaccinations. A whole branch of research is examining the question: What level of fear needs to be created to appear as convincing as possible?” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“I’ll talk about vaccines. Number one, vaccines make people sick. They don’t work. They don’t protect. The use of vaccines is totally wrong! It’s perfect nonsense based on fear. They are dangerous. One child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines – nuerological problems, seizures. I’ve got a whole list. There are plenty of books on this subject. Doctors don’t even read about this.” Interview with Guylaine Lanctot, MD
“During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn’t put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren’t strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since.” – Dr. William Howard Hay, MD
“Had my mother and father known that the poliovirus vaccines of the 1950s were heavily contaminated with more than 26 monkey viruses, including the cancer virus SV40, I can say with certainty that they would not have allowed their children and themselves to take those vaccines. Both of my parents might not have developed cancers suspected of being vaccine-related, and might even be alive today.” – Dr. Howard B. Urnovitz, PhD, CEO, CSO and co-founder of Chronix Biomedical
“We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the ineffectiveness of vaccines in protecting against illnesses.” – Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD
The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization....There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease.” – Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD, Author
“Childhood vaccines are giving us a world of chronic illness: autism, developmental disorders, Asperger’s Syndrome, brain tumors, leukemia, cancers, information processing disorders, impulsive violence, allergies, asthma, diabetes, Crohn’s disease, intestinal disorders, are just some of the vaccine associated disorders.” – Dr. Tedd Koren, DC
“I am no longer trying to dig up evidence to prove vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence. This debate is not scientific but is political.” Dr. David Ayoub, MD
“There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there’s one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes, until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There’s just converging evidence from many, many directions.” – Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, founder and former director of the Autism Research Institute
“When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye. Then will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families.” – Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, founder and former director of the Autism Research Institute
"The greatest threat to our health today is the medical community, and one of their most dangerous tools is vaccination - particularly the horrific procedure of injecting foreign protein into newborn infants!" - Dr. Daniel H. Duffy, DC
"For thirty years kids died from smallpox vaccinations even though no longer threatened by the disease." - Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD
"Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines, being made from monkey kidney tissue, have been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country." - Dr. F. Klenner, MD
"As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the Hep B vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder." - Jaquelyn McCandless, MD
"In 1976 I was working in the Gulf Country around Cape York, in an aboriginal community of about 300 people. The Health Department sent around a team and vaccinated about 100 of them against flu. Six were dead within 24 hours or so and they weren't all old people, one man being in his early twenties. They threw the bodies in trucks to take to the coast where autopsies were done. It appeared they had died from heart attacks." - Archie Kalokerinos, MD
"As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to have a naturopathic physician available. Almost all drugs are toxic and are designed only to treat symptoms and not to cure anyone.” - Dr. Alan Greenberg, MD
"According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs." - Dr. Buttram, MD
"I would consider the risks associated with measles vaccination unacceptable even if there were convincing evidence that the vaccine works. There isn't. .... In 1900 there were 13.3 measles deaths per 100,000 population. By 1955, before the first measles shot, the death rate had declined 97.7 percent to only 0.03 deaths per 100,000." – Dr. Mendelsohn, MD
"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860 and1965, because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles, occurred before the introduction of immunizations and antibiotics." - Dr Archie Kalokerinos, MD
"What the vaccinators don't tell you is that communicable diseases have been declining at a steady rate for 150 years and that there is no relationship between the various diseases and the onset of immunization. Without exception, the vaccine program for each of the childhood diseases was inaugurated after that paticular diseases had begun to disappear. Contrary to what you have been told, this includes polio. What the vaccines have done is cause the various childhood diseases to become adulthood diseases - with far more serious implications, mumps in men and rubella in women for example." - Dr. William Douglass, MD
"One of the medical profession’s greatest boasts is that it eradicated smallpox through the use of the smallpox vaccine. I myself believed this claim for many years. But it simply isn’t true. One of the worst smallpox epidemics of all time took place in England between 1870 and 1872 – nearly two decades after compulsory vaccination was introduced. After this evidence that smallpox vaccination didn’t work the people of Leicester in the English midlands refused to have the vaccine any more. When the next smallpox epidemic struck in the early 1890s the people of Leicester relied upon good sanitation and a system of quarantine. There was only one death from smallpox in Leicester during that epidemic. In contrast the citizens of other towns (who had been vaccinated) died in vast numbers. ......Doctors and drug companies may not like it but the truth is that surveillance, quarantine and better living conditions got rid of smallpox – not the smallpox vaccine......It is worth pointing out that Edward Jenner, widely feted as the inventor of the smallpox vaccine, tried out the first smallpox vaccination on his own 10 month old son. His son remained mentally retarded until his death at the age of 21. Jenner refused to have his second child vaccinated." – Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB
"I have lectured all over the world... I have always had a special interest in newspapers. All of them have one thing in common, there is always some reference made to some epidemic in some part of the world. For instance, two years ago, one paper referred to a polio epidemic in Holland. For the past three years, our newspapers have commented on the diphtheria epidemic in Russia. By these means, the population is constantly threatened with epidemics, they have been made to fear them, and the reports always conclude: "Go and get vaccinated." - Dr. Buchwald, MD
"In 1866, an English physician described a very strange illness. Children looked like Mongols. His name was Down. That’s why we call it Down’s Syndrome today... I should add that this syndrome is a result of the vaccinations carried throughout England by Jenner in 1796... It (Down’s Syndrome) is probably the first congenital disease caused by vaccinations. In Germany, the first child with evidence of Down’s Syndrome was reported in 1922. Today, one in every 700 newborns has it." - Dr. Buchwald, MD
"Using kids as guinea pigs in potentially harmful vaccine experiments is every parents' worst nightmare. This actually happened in 1989-1991 when Kaiser Permanente of Southern California and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) jointly conducted a measles vaccine experiment. Without proper parental disclosure, the Yugoslavian-made "high titre" Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine was tested on 1,500 poor, primarily black and Latino, inner city children in Los Angeles. Highly recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO), the high-potency experimental vaccine was previously injected into infants in Mexico, Haiti, and Africa. It was discontinued in these countries when it was discovered that the children were dying in large numbers." - Dr. Alan Cantwell MD
"Vaccination against tuberculosis is often given as the reason why this disease stopped being quite the threat to life that it had been in the 18th century. But again, this isn’t true. Robert Koch discovered the pathogen that causes TB back in 1883. After that BCG vaccination was introduced and then, subsequently, mass treatment programs were devised with chemotherapy. None of these discoveries or introductions had any effect on the incidence of tuberculosis. Contracting TB doesn’t provide any immunity against a second infection. And if a natural infection doesn’t provide protection then a vaccination certainly won’t provide protection. How on earth can it? It was noticed decades ago that in the lung sanatoriums that specialized in the treatment of TB patients there was no difference in the survival rates of patients who had been ‘protected’ against TB with BCG vaccination when compared to the survival rates of patients who had received no such ‘protection’. The tuberculosis vaccination (the Bacillus Calmette-Guerin – known as BCG) consists of a weakened, living bovine mycobacterium. The vaccine was used for many years but a WHO trial in India showed that the vaccine offers no protection against the disease. Indeed, when new cases of tuberculosis increased annually in the areas where people had been vaccinated against the disease the trial seemed to suggest that there might be a link between the vaccine and outbreaks of the disease." - Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB
"Vaccination against diphtheria was introduced to Germany in 1925. After the introduction of the vaccine the number of cases of diphtheria steadily increased until, shortly after the Second World War, production of the vaccine was halted. There was a decline in the incidence of the disease which coincided with the fact that the vaccination was no longer being used. When the vaccine was subsequently reintroduced the decline in the incidence of the disease slowed down. As with whooping cough, tetanus and other diseases, the incidence and number of deaths from diphtheria, were in decline long before the vaccine was introduced." - Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB
"The whooping cough vaccine has never had much of an influence on the number of children dying from whooping cough. The dramatic fall in the number of deaths caused by the disease came well before the vaccine was widely available and was, historians agree, the result of improved public health measures and, indirectly, the use of antibiotics. ..... The introduction of the vaccine really didn’t make very much, if any, difference to the fall in the incidence of the disease. Even today (1988) thirty years after the introduction of the vaccine, whooping cough cases are still running at about 1,000 a week in Britain. Similarly, the figures show that the introduction of the vaccine had no effect on the number of children dying from whooping cough. ....My second point is that the whooping cough vaccine is neither very efficient nor is it safe..... the government (in the form of the DHSS) has consistently lied about the whooping cough vaccine, has distorted the truth and has deceived both the medical profession (for the majority of doctors and nurses who give these injections accept the recommendations made by the DHSS without question) and millions of parents. The DHSS may have saved itself a tidy sum in damages. But the cost to the nation’s health has been enormous. And this, remember, is merely one more example of the way in which the truth has been distorted by those whom we trust to provide us with honest, accurate advice about medicine and health care." - Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB
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@Marwanskii "Just because Jesus was real doesn't mean god was real."
You haven't the vaguest clue what you are talking about. The very reason Jesus came proves his divinity. The Old Testament (completed 400 years before Jesus’ birth) contains more than 300 references to the Messiah that were fulfilled in Jesus’ life. The calculations of the probability on just 8 of these prophecies being fulfilled is one in 10 to the 17.
The Atheist contradictions site list you gave are from lack of common literacy practices such as establishing context and cross referencing. Or ridiculous arguments like you brought up such as God is omnipotent yet for example said he can't lie. Since that goes against his nature. Many disingenuous fallacious arguments along those lines.
"When science debunked religion,.it simultaneously debunked god because God is nothing without religion."
Fascinating given the irony. Newton who many scientists call the smartest man that ever lived had quite a different perspective for example. Science has closed the gaps on intelligent design and they've only gotten bigger for naturalism, science is clearly giving us the opposite picture you claim. The evidence is stacking on the opposite side you claim. The current paradigm is intelligent design not naturalism. There is no naturalistic origin of life, there is no macro evolution, speciation is still science myth in the year 2020. Now that science has advanced, all of Atheists speculations are based on non-empirical arguments and that shows just how weak their case is.
"The Big Bang Theory debunked Creationism."
LMAO you can't be serious. The Big Bang theory is literally a Christian concept and faced massive criticism from a large part of the scientific community for decades because of it's Christian implications. That is the core to why the theory got so rigorously tested in the first place because it was in attempt to disprove it.
"While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe began to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible."
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@Marwanskii "The Theory of Evolution debunked Adam and Eve."
No it never. It's 2020 and macro evolution aka speciation is still science myth. As science has advanced it not only hasn't grown in evidence to support it, it flat out refutes such a ridiculous illogical concept. The Cambrian explosion alone destroys the whole theory.
Fossil record doesn't show evolution(speciation).
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@TristanMac65 Where do you get Jesus never performed miracles? We clearly have documentation he did. Ancient Jewish records of the counsel that wanted him dead even record as such.
He never came back from the dead? There were hundreds of witnesses...
The whole entirely of the universe is structurally needed just so life can be possible on earth alone, so it's no stretch to think it was created for us given the fine tuning argument. So why bring up earth as one planet being insignificant? It's not. Secondly Jesus came for the work of the cross not to display miracles. If Jesus came as solely God and not also man he would have never been crucified for all would have seen him as God and the work of redemption would have never been accomplished.
What are you talking about, the bible makes around 10 times more statements of science than all the other major holy books combined... The bible most certainly makes statements of science and more importantly they are correct like the Big Bang and key components of it.
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While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe began to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible."
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@stefan stefanovic That isn't true at least from the Christian perspective. The biblical text is known for it's detailed statements which lends itself to it's reliability given more data points to fact check and of course they come out true. You realize the big bang theory is a Christian concept right? The biblical text got all the fundamentals of a big bang creation right, nothing else even comes close including secular theories till the big bang was published. Here is an astrophysicists take on it.
While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe began to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible.
Actually we are at the point where the evidence is so overwhelming we may as well say we know there is a God. The big bang tells us there must be a causal agent beyond space and time, and the fine tuning argument tells us if there is a causal agent beyond space and time it must be both intelligent and caring. Well game over big bang was solidified about a decade ago by Borde and Vilenkin. If I would want to expanded this further I would argue how modern science was an extension of Christianity in the first place Joseph Needham of Cambridge concluded from his life's work studying this.
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joshua stevenson For 150 years the United States has been conducting an interesting
experiment. The subjects of the experiment: black people and
working-class whites.
The hypothesis to be tested: Can a people taken from the jungles of
Africa and forced into slavery be fully integrated as citizens in a
majority white population?
The whites were descendants of Europeans who had created a majestic
civilization. The former slaves had been tribal peoples with no written
language and virtually no intellectual achievements. Acting on a policy
that was not fair to either group, the government released newly freed
black people into a white society that saw them as inferiors. America
has struggled with racial discord ever since.
Decade after decade the problems persisted but the experimenters never
gave up. They insisted that if they could find the right formula the
experiment would work, and concocted program after program to get the
result they wanted. They created the Freedman’s Bureau, passed civil
rights laws, tried to build the Great Society, declared War on Poverty,
ordered race preferences, built housing projects, and tried midnight
basketball.
Their new laws intruded into people’s lives in ways that would have been
otherwise unthinkable. They called in National Guard troops to enforce
school integration. They outlawed freedom of association. Over the
protests of parents, they put white children on buses and sent them to
black schools and vice versa. They tried with money, special programs,
relaxed standards, and endless handwringing to close the “achievement
gap.” To keep white backlash in check they began punishing public and
even private statements on race. They hung up Orwellian public banners
that commanded whites to “Celebrate Diversity!” and “Say No To Racism.”
Nothing was off limits if it might salvage the experiment.
Some thought that what W.E.B. Du Bois called the Talented Tenth would
lead the way for black people. A group of elite, educated blacks would
knock down doors of opportunity and show the world what blacks were
capable of. There is a Talented Tenth. They are the black Americans who
have become entrepreneurs, lawyers, doctors and scientists. But ten
percent is not enough. For the experiment to work, the ten percent has
to be followed by a critical mass of people who can hold middle-class
jobs and promote social stability. That is what is missing.
Through the years, too many black people continue to show an inability
to function and prosper in a culture unsuited to them. Detroit is
bankrupt, the south side of Chicago is a war zone, and majority-black
cities all over America are beset by degeneracy and violence. And blacks
never take responsibility for their failures. Instead, they lash out in
anger and resentment.
Across the generations and across the country, as we have seen in
Detroit, Watts, Newark, Los Angeles, Cincinnati, and now Ferguson,
rioting and looting are just one racial incident away. The white elite
would tell us that this doesn’t mean the experiment has failed. We just
have to try harder. We need more money, more time, more understanding,
more programs, more opportunities.
But nothing changes no matter how much money is spent, no matter how
many laws are passed, no matter how many black geniuses are portrayed on
TV, and no matter who is president. Some argue it’s a problem of
“culture,” as if culture creates people’s behavior instead of the other
way around. Others blame “white privilege.”
But since 1965, when the elites opened America’s doors to the Third
World, immigrants from Asia and India–people who are not white, not
rich, and not “connected”–have quietly succeeded. While the children of
these people are winning spelling bees and getting top scores on the
SAT, black “youths” are committing half the country’s violent
crime–crime, which includes viciously punching random white people on
the street for the thrill of it, that has nothing to do with poverty.
The experiment has failed. Not because of culture, or white privilege,
or racism. The fundamental problem is that white people and black people
are different. They differ intellectually and temperamentally. These
differences result in permanent social incompatibility.
Our rulers don’t seem to understand just how tired their white subjects
are with this experiment. They don’t understand that white people aren’t
out to get black people; they are just exhausted with them. They are
exhausted by the social pathologies, the violence, the endless
complaints, the blind racial solidarity, the bottomless pit of
grievances, the excuses, and the reflexive animosity.
The elites explain everything with “racism,” and refuse to believe that
white frustration could soon reach the boiling point. borrowed post
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@Zaloomination It seems you are missing an important fact. The bible says God first draws us to him. Before we are saved God has first sought us out, he has put that seed in us to have the capacity to then seek him and want to know him and have the ability to accept him. God is giving us a mercy in drawing us to him. Otherwise no one would ever be saved. The work of the cross would have been for nothing. That is where our will comes in, do we seek him and accept him or not. So you are right the fallen man is so lost we have zero capacity or will to seek him, but God's mercy is so great he gives us the capacity to still be at the place where our will has a choice. Otherwise there is no free will, and everyone should be saved and if they aren't God is not a good and just God and is picking and choosing people. The bible says God is not a respecter of persons.
I don't know if you are playing word games here. Yes the salvation itself we do not contribute to, it's only Jesus and the only way we contribute is giving ourselves, that which needs salvation. We have to willingly give ourselves. That is where our will comes in. Salvation is not forced. It is a gift, a gift has to be accepted. In essence salvation is actually a byproduct of accepting Jesus. It is he who we are accepting not the salvation. Like the bible says Jesus is the source of all, Jesus never said seek faith, he said seek me and I'll give you the faith. We seek Jesus and he gives us the salvation. So will is required. The criminals hanging beside Jesus SPOKE. Their will compelled them to accept Jesus. Jesus never forced them to accept salvation. In fact we can go further Jesus made clear twice never to force himself his kingdom on others. In the garden when getting arrested and infront of Pilate. He said his kingdom is not of this world. In other words do not take up arms for him, do not force his Gospel his word on others. As he never forced himself on others. So does he not with his salvation. So our will is required but it's made capable of accepting him through his mercy. We still have to say yes.
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@torreyintahoe "Disregarding the Early Fathers simply raises the unanswered and indeed usually unasked question, How did they all come to be so wrong? In an age when martyrdom was an abiding risk, one would surely have expected the Fathers to have made very certian of the historical traditions of whose origins they had readier access than we do, and for belief in which they were prepared to offer their own lives, expecting their families and desendants to do the same. There will have been the strongest possible motivation to verify the facts and traditions of their faith from the earliest and most reliable witnesses - rather more so, indeed, than that which rests upon us from our detached viewpoint today... Hence, the arbitrary dismissal of the patristic witness raises considerable problems of human psychology and behavior, not to mention historical method, which if ignored leave the problem seriously open-ended." Martin Mosse, The Three Gospels pg 19-20
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@MarkMiller304 Look up "Food Power" is. There are structural conditions as how it can exist as well. Canada is a nuclear nation. Canada co-developed, supplied the uranium, and under the terms of the Quebec Agreement, sanctioned the bombs of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Canada is fully capable of being one of the largest nuclear powers in the world given it's reserves and ability to produce nuclear weapons. If it does not already have classified nukes in reserve. Canada is literally one of the low key most powerful countries in the world. In I believe around 2015 the census showed it is the second most armed nations in the world of guns per person, with 7 million gun owners owning 21 million guns. It's economy has consistently listed around the same as Russia with 1/4th the population. It also has an inherently unique form of economy. Canada has extremely high hidden potential across the board. It's energy production is already high in oil and gas. But it also has the Athabasca deposit that has estimates of 1.7 - 3 trillion barrels alone, that's more then the rest of the worlds proven oil reserves combined.
Don't dismiss potential once again. A currently small military reflects nothing. Canada entered WW2 with an army of 4300 full time and 51000 reservists. Canada had 15 outdated ships in our navy and 19 modern aircraft in our airforce. By wars end, Canada had the worlds 3rd largest navy with 471 ships, 4th largest airforce with 86 squadrons and 1.1 million Canadians voluntarily enlisted and served. That's was 10% of the population. If 10% of Canada's population enlisted today, Canada would have the worlds largest military. Also important to note, most of the equipment Canada produced in WW2 was provided to allies or those numbers could have been much larger. The pattern was also seen in WW1. Canadian admiral led the Atlantic theater of war during ww2. Half of the first ever special force was made up of Canadians, and now has one of the most elite special forces in the world JTF2. Canada has done more than any other country as far as NATO and NORAD in the arctic as a reminder. And so on and so on. Canada has always been a very low key powerful world player. New Zealand and Australia are not even remotely in the same league.
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@squirlmy
"Magnesium increases the phagocytic capacity of the scavenging white blood cells in combatting infections, and vitamin C can attack pathogens directly via up regulation of the Fenton reaction inside the cells, increasing their internal oxidative stress to the point of pathogen rupture (Vilchèze et al., 2013; Levy, 2013). These anti-pathogen mechanisms can be very synergistic in treating infectious diseases. Furthermore, vitamin C enhances the capacity of all of the scavenger immune cells by concentrating inside them and allowing them to supply a greater immediate antioxidant delivery when the natural immune response summons them to areas of focal infection and inflammation that are always acutely and severely depleted of antioxidant capacity. However, a review of some older literature reveals, somewhat surprisingly, that magnesium chloride alone, given orally several times daily, has cured acute polio, even when significant paralysis had already developed (Neveu, 1961; Rodale, 1968). Dr. Frederick Klenner had also reported that high doses of vitamin C completely cured all of the 60 cases of polio that he saw in his practice. This result is likely achieved because both magnesium and vitamin C, as independent agents, can promptly normalize the pathology of increased intracellular oxidative stress seen in toxin exposures of any origin."
If you are interested why haven't you looked at all instead of saying my comment is disingenuously phrased then proceeding to insinuate I'm a fringe nut job? You already sound medically illiterate if you have zero concept of the potential mechanisms of vitamin C and magnesium in biology right from the start. Far less your absurd comment saying millions would have been made from selling vitamin C and magnesium chloride which is literally mineral oil(magnesium chloride dissolved in water. You appear to be highly ignorant in the most basic of these concepts far less the subject itself.
Vitamin C polio
http://orthomolecular.org/library/jom/2007/pdf/2007-v22n01-p031.pdf
Magnesium Polio
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v15n09.shtml
Even for the most recent world wide pandemic vitamin C has been chosen as a treatment for covid19. But you are highly ignorant of medicine, world news, and how the medical systems drug approval process is highly biased in the type of drug that can proceed. Cheap chemicals that can't be patented like vitamin C aren't getting a billion+ dollars go through phase 1/2/3 fda trials because that money can't be recovered in a product that can't be patented for use.
Right off the bat feb 2020 50 tonns of vitamin C was shipped to Wuhan.
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n13.shtml
The next month march 2020 the capitol officially recommends vitamin C as a covid treatment.
http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n16.shtml
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@peznino1 Truth is exclusive not all inclusive. Truth is not relative, we don't all have our own truth. That's why testing everything is important.
Christianity is evidenced based. Faith is the product of truth, and truth is ultimately a person Jesus Christ who said I am the truth. Faith not from truth is blind faith, an aberration of the fundamental concept of faith which unfortunately has been popularized as the standard definition which is absurd and clearly not the type of faith presented in the bible and used to do science.
Paul wrote test everything and hold fast to that which is true (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Being a Christian isn't about blind faith. Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which essentially means a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. It is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples. All the disciples denied Jesus on the cross. All the miracles and evidence Jesus was God like walking on water raising the dead, hearing God from heaven speak and say this is my Son was not enough. So why would it be enough for you? It wouldn't. Christianity should have died on the cross with Jesus. But Pentecost happened. God the Holy Spirit came and his promise is to reveal Jesus and make him real to you. That is when all the disciples would rather give their lives for Jesus than deny him, hundreds of thousands would die as martyrs in the Colosseum than deny Jesus who was then made real to them more real than walking on water or raising the dead infront of them in person.
Just a reminder the apologetic case of the resurrection is based on the historical evidence and it uses the same method of reasoning mainly inference to the best explanation that Darwin uses in the Origin of Species.
The New Testament shows with the physician Luke telling that they knew and understood and had the same objections we do today that a miracle goes against the laws of nature and addressed it with the story of Zechariah that a God that created it all with those laws of nature can intervene into them. To assume miracles can't happen is to wrongly assume this universe is a closed system, science does not tell us that.
You are hindered by a philosophical presupposition that thinks, that is the way it must have happened. That is a big issue for a scientist, am I going to stick with what the science is saying or with my philosophical presupposition? Richard Lewontin a geneticist was very honest in stating; "The methods of science do not compel us to accept a materialistic explanation. What does? Our apriori conviction." Atheists aren't following where the evidence leads, because they are self limiting the extent of their own rationality. It's irrational in the strictest sense. Atheism and science do not mix.
If the mental is purely physical, then we have no reason to have any confidence in anything our brain produces. -Thomas Nagel Atheist
Having no belief in God undermines the very rational mind you require to do science and argue with.
So there is nothing in genuine science to stop the belief in God, there is everything in genuine science to support the belief in God and the belief in God is what encourages the very enterprise of science which is why it birthed modern science. Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver. There is only one ultimate type of truth that you or anyone can accept to not just believe a God exists but accept and give your life to him and know him, and that's from him giving that evidence personally as Jesus promises and does for all those that seek him.
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@tanush7768 Fossil record doesn't show evolution(speciation).
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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Voidsworn
Also as a second post addressing your point on vaccines and how you believe they are so widely accepted in the medical field isn't the case. Here are some examples:
“The only safe vaccine is one that is never used.” – Dr. James A. Shannon, MD, former director of the National Institutes of Health (1955-1968)
“There is a great deal of evidence to prove that immunization of children does more harm than good.” – Dr. J. Anthony Morris, formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA
“My own personal view is that vaccines are unsafe and worthless. I will not allow myself to be vaccinated again....Vaccines may be profitable but in my view, they are neither safe nor effective.” – Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB, ChB, DSc (Hon)
“Vaccines are highly dangerous, have never been adequately studied or proven to be effective, and have a poor risk/reward ratio....The treatment of cancer and degenerative diseases is a national scandal. The sooner you learn this, the better off you will be.” – Dr. Allen Greenberg, MD
“I found the whole vaccine business was indeed a gigantic hoax. Most doctors are convinced that they are useful, but if you look at the proper statistics and study the instances of these diseases you will realize that this is not so.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD
“The vaccinations are not working and they are dangerous. We should be working with nature.” – Dr. Lendon Smith, MD
“In my medical career I’ve treated vaccinated and unvaccinated children and the unvaccinated children are far healthier than the vaccinated ones.” – Dr. Philip Incao, MD
“There is no scientific evidence that vaccinations are of any benefit, but it is clear that they cause a great deal of harm.” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“Nobody needs to be confused but everybody better be darn well frightened about taking any vaccine, under any circumstance, for any reason, at any time in their life.” – Dr. Daniel H. Duffy Sr., DC (retired air force officer – 21 yrs., family doctor – 28 yrs., vaccination researcher – 49 yrs.)
“I have no faith in vaccination; nay, I look upon it with the greatest possible disgust, and firmly believe that it is often the medium of conveying many filthy and loathsome diseases from one child to another, and no protection whatever against small pox. Indeed, I consider we are now living in the Jennerian epoch for the slaughter of innocents, and the unthinking portion of the adult population.” – Dr. W.J. Collins, MD, BS, BSc, MRCS
“I vaccinated both my children with the MMR jab, but this was before I started my research into the problems associated with it. Knowing what I know now, I would not vaccinate my children and run the risk of them getting diabetes, asthma, eczema, becoming more susceptible to meningitis and ending up chronically disabled.” – Dr. Jayne Donegan, GP, Homeopath
“I once believed in Jenner; I once believed in Pasteur. I believed in vaccination. I believed in vivisection. But I changed my views as the result of hard thinking.” – Dr. Walter Hadwen, MD, LSA, MRCS, LRCP, MB, BS, BSc
“There is no evidence that any influenza vaccine thus far developed is effective in preventing or mitigating any attack of influenza. The producers of these vaccines know that they are worthless, but they go on selling them anyway.” – Dr. J. Anthony Morris, formerly Chief Vaccine Control Officer at the FDA
“There is insufficient evidence to support routine vaccination of healthy persons of any age.” – Dr. Paul Frame, MD, Journal of Family Practice
“Only after realizing that routine immunizations were dangerous did I achieve a substantial drop in infant death rates.” – Dr. Archivides Kalokerinos, MD
“To create fear among parents to strengthen their motivation to vaccinate is an important part of the publicity used to promote vaccinations. A whole branch of research is examining the question: What level of fear needs to be created to appear as convincing as possible?” – Dr. Gerhard Buchwald, MD
“I’ll talk about vaccines. Number one, vaccines make people sick. They don’t work. They don’t protect. The use of vaccines is totally wrong! It’s perfect nonsense based on fear. They are dangerous. One child out of five has overwhelming disabilities from vaccines – nuerological problems, seizures. I’ve got a whole list. There are plenty of books on this subject. Doctors don’t even read about this.” Interview with Guylaine Lanctot, MD
“During those 30 years I have run against so many histories of little children who had never seen a sick day until they were vaccinated and who, in the several years that have followed, have never seen a well day since. I couldn’t put my finger on the disease they have. They just weren’t strong. Their resistance was gone. They were perfectly well before they were vaccinated. They have never been well since.” – Dr. William Howard Hay, MD
“Had my mother and father known that the poliovirus vaccines of the 1950s were heavily contaminated with more than 26 monkey viruses, including the cancer virus SV40, I can say with certainty that they would not have allowed their children and themselves to take those vaccines. Both of my parents might not have developed cancers suspected of being vaccine-related, and might even be alive today.” – Dr. Howard B. Urnovitz, PhD, CEO, CSO and co-founder of Chronix Biomedical
“We are taught by the authorities that vaccines protect us against eventual aggressive viruses and microbes, and, therefore, prevent contagious illnesses and epidemics. This lie has been perpetuated for 150 years despite the ineffectiveness of vaccines in protecting against illnesses.” – Dr. Guylaine Lanctot, MD
The greatest threat of childhood diseases lies in the dangerous and ineffectual efforts made to prevent them through mass immunization....There is no convincing scientific evidence that mass inoculations can be credited with eliminating any childhood disease.” – Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD, Author
“Childhood vaccines are giving us a world of chronic illness: autism, developmental disorders, Asperger’s Syndrome, brain tumors, leukemia, cancers, information processing disorders, impulsive violence, allergies, asthma, diabetes, Crohn’s disease, intestinal disorders, are just some of the vaccine associated disorders.” – Dr. Tedd Koren, DC
“I am no longer trying to dig up evidence to prove vaccines cause autism. There is already abundant evidence. This debate is not scientific but is political.” Dr. David Ayoub, MD
“There are at least seven laboratory studies, clinical studies, of blood, cerebral, spinal fluid, biopsies of autistic children which show huge differences between autistic children and normal children in terms of the presence of things like measles vaccine virus in their intestinal tract, for example, or their neurons. So, there’s one line of evidence. Another, of course, is that we have data from thousands of parents who testify, often with videotapes and photographs and eyewitness reports, that their kid was perfectly normal. And they can demonstrate it, as I say, very conclusively with tapes, until after the vaccine. The kid retreated into autism. There’s just converging evidence from many, many directions.” – Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, founder and former director of the Autism Research Institute
“When the link between the use of unsafe, mercury-laden vaccine and autism, ADHD, asthma, allergies and diabetes becomes undeniable, mainstream medicine will be sporting a huge, self-inflicted and well-deserved black eye. Then will come the billion-dollar awards, by enraged juries, to the children and their families.” – Dr. Bernard Rimland, PhD, founder and former director of the Autism Research Institute
"The greatest threat to our health today is the medical community, and one of their most dangerous tools is vaccination - particularly the horrific procedure of injecting foreign protein into newborn infants!" - Dr. Daniel H. Duffy, DC
"For thirty years kids died from smallpox vaccinations even though no longer threatened by the disease." - Dr. Robert Mendelsohn, MD
"Many here voice a silent view that the Salk and Sabin Polio Vaccines, being made from monkey kidney tissue, have been directly responsible for the major increase in leukaemia in this country." - Dr. F. Klenner, MD
"As a clinician, my current belief which guides my practice with these children is that any child given the Hep B vaccination at birth and subsequent boosters along with DPT has received unacceptable levels of neurotoxin in the form of the ethyl mercury in the thimerosal preservative used in the vaccine. In any child with a genetic immune susceptibility (probably about one in six) this sets off a series of events that injure the brain-gut-immune system. By the time they are ready to receive the MMR vaccination, their immune system is so impaired in a great number of these children that the triple vaccine cannot be handled by the now dysfunctional immune system and they begin their obvious descent into the autistic spectrum disorder." - Jaquelyn McCandless, MD
"In 1976 I was working in the Gulf Country around Cape York, in an aboriginal community of about 300 people. The Health Department sent around a team and vaccinated about 100 of them against flu. Six were dead within 24 hours or so and they weren't all old people, one man being in his early twenties. They threw the bodies in trucks to take to the coast where autopsies were done. It appeared they had died from heart attacks." - Archie Kalokerinos, MD
"As a retired physician, I can honestly say that unless you are in a serious accident, your best chance of living to a ripe old age is to avoid doctors and hospitals and learn nutrition, herbal medicine and other forms of natural medicine unless you are fortunate enough to have a naturopathic physician available. Almost all drugs are toxic and are designed only to treat symptoms and not to cure anyone.” - Dr. Alan Greenberg, MD
"According to the records of the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company, from 1911 to 1935 the four leading causes of childhood deaths from infectious diseases in the U.S.A. were diptheria, pertussis, scarlet fever, and measles. However, by 1945 the combined death rates from these causes had declined by 95% before the implementation of mass vaccine programs." - Dr. Buttram, MD
"I would consider the risks associated with measles vaccination unacceptable even if there were convincing evidence that the vaccine works. There isn't. .... In 1900 there were 13.3 measles deaths per 100,000 population. By 1955, before the first measles shot, the death rate had declined 97.7 percent to only 0.03 deaths per 100,000." – Dr. Mendelsohn, MD
"Up to 90% of the total decline in the death rate of children between 1860 and1965, because of whooping cough, scarlet fever, diptheria, and measles, occurred before the introduction of immunizations and antibiotics." - Dr Archie Kalokerinos, MD
"What the vaccinators don't tell you is that communicable diseases have been declining at a steady rate for 150 years and that there is no relationship between the various diseases and the onset of immunization. Without exception, the vaccine program for each of the childhood diseases was inaugurated after that paticular diseases had begun to disappear. Contrary to what you have been told, this includes polio. What the vaccines have done is cause the various childhood diseases to become adulthood diseases - with far more serious implications, mumps in men and rubella in women for example." - Dr. William Douglass, MD
"One of the medical profession’s greatest boasts is that it eradicated smallpox through the use of the smallpox vaccine. I myself believed this claim for many years. But it simply isn’t true. One of the worst smallpox epidemics of all time took place in England between 1870 and 1872 – nearly two decades after compulsory vaccination was introduced. After this evidence that smallpox vaccination didn’t work the people of Leicester in the English midlands refused to have the vaccine any more. When the next smallpox epidemic struck in the early 1890s the people of Leicester relied upon good sanitation and a system of quarantine. There was only one death from smallpox in Leicester during that epidemic. In contrast the citizens of other towns (who had been vaccinated) died in vast numbers. ......Doctors and drug companies may not like it but the truth is that surveillance, quarantine and better living conditions got rid of smallpox – not the smallpox vaccine......It is worth pointing out that Edward Jenner, widely feted as the inventor of the smallpox vaccine, tried out the first smallpox vaccination on his own 10 month old son. His son remained mentally retarded until his death at the age of 21. Jenner refused to have his second child vaccinated." – Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB
"I have lectured all over the world... I have always had a special interest in newspapers. All of them have one thing in common, there is always some reference made to some epidemic in some part of the world. For instance, two years ago, one paper referred to a polio epidemic in Holland. For the past three years, our newspapers have commented on the diphtheria epidemic in Russia. By these means, the population is constantly threatened with epidemics, they have been made to fear them, and the reports always conclude: "Go and get vaccinated." - Dr. Buchwald, MD
"In 1866, an English physician described a very strange illness. Children looked like Mongols. His name was Down. That’s why we call it Down’s Syndrome today... I should add that this syndrome is a result of the vaccinations carried throughout England by Jenner in 1796... It (Down’s Syndrome) is probably the first congenital disease caused by vaccinations. In Germany, the first child with evidence of Down’s Syndrome was reported in 1922. Today, one in every 700 newborns has it." - Dr. Buchwald, MD
"Using kids as guinea pigs in potentially harmful vaccine experiments is every parents' worst nightmare. This actually happened in 1989-1991 when Kaiser Permanente of Southern California and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) jointly conducted a measles vaccine experiment. Without proper parental disclosure, the Yugoslavian-made "high titre" Edmonston-Zagreb measles vaccine was tested on 1,500 poor, primarily black and Latino, inner city children in Los Angeles. Highly recommended by the World Health Organization (WHO), the high-potency experimental vaccine was previously injected into infants in Mexico, Haiti, and Africa. It was discontinued in these countries when it was discovered that the children were dying in large numbers." - Dr. Alan Cantwell MD
"Vaccination against tuberculosis is often given as the reason why this disease stopped being quite the threat to life that it had been in the 18th century. But again, this isn’t true. Robert Koch discovered the pathogen that causes TB back in 1883. After that BCG vaccination was introduced and then, subsequently, mass treatment programs were devised with chemotherapy. None of these discoveries or introductions had any effect on the incidence of tuberculosis. Contracting TB doesn’t provide any immunity against a second infection. And if a natural infection doesn’t provide protection then a vaccination certainly won’t provide protection. How on earth can it? It was noticed decades ago that in the lung sanatoriums that specialized in the treatment of TB patients there was no difference in the survival rates of patients who had been ‘protected’ against TB with BCG vaccination when compared to the survival rates of patients who had received no such ‘protection’. The tuberculosis vaccination (the Bacillus Calmette-Guerin – known as BCG) consists of a weakened, living bovine mycobacterium. The vaccine was used for many years but a WHO trial in India showed that the vaccine offers no protection against the disease. Indeed, when new cases of tuberculosis increased annually in the areas where people had been vaccinated against the disease the trial seemed to suggest that there might be a link between the vaccine and outbreaks of the disease." - Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB
"Vaccination against diphtheria was introduced to Germany in 1925. After the introduction of the vaccine the number of cases of diphtheria steadily increased until, shortly after the Second World War, production of the vaccine was halted. There was a decline in the incidence of the disease which coincided with the fact that the vaccination was no longer being used. When the vaccine was subsequently reintroduced the decline in the incidence of the disease slowed down. As with whooping cough, tetanus and other diseases, the incidence and number of deaths from diphtheria, were in decline long before the vaccine was introduced." - Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB
"The whooping cough vaccine has never had much of an influence on the number of children dying from whooping cough. The dramatic fall in the number of deaths caused by the disease came well before the vaccine was widely available and was, historians agree, the result of improved public health measures and, indirectly, the use of antibiotics. ..... The introduction of the vaccine really didn’t make very much, if any, difference to the fall in the incidence of the disease. Even today (1988) thirty years after the introduction of the vaccine, whooping cough cases are still running at about 1,000 a week in Britain. Similarly, the figures show that the introduction of the vaccine had no effect on the number of children dying from whooping cough. ....My second point is that the whooping cough vaccine is neither very efficient nor is it safe..... the government (in the form of the DHSS) has consistently lied about the whooping cough vaccine, has distorted the truth and has deceived both the medical profession (for the majority of doctors and nurses who give these injections accept the recommendations made by the DHSS without question) and millions of parents. The DHSS may have saved itself a tidy sum in damages. But the cost to the nation’s health has been enormous. And this, remember, is merely one more example of the way in which the truth has been distorted by those whom we trust to provide us with honest, accurate advice about medicine and health care." - Dr. Vernon Coleman, MB
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@c.m.lollar7501 lmao what evolution? It's 2020 and the science we have today practically destroys the notion of evolution. The fossil record evidence alone annihilates the concept of speciation. Here are some examples
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@redaxoid Zero gaslighting. You just don't understand the argument. You are making false equivalency. Also a large part of algebra was from India and Babylon long before Islam was even around.
You are saying someone who is Muslim discovered something independent of the Muslim faith. I'm saying the biblical text gives the key characteristics of a big bang model. It is the origin of the concept. A long time later a scientists who is Catholic sees this and sets out to find it and does and publishes his work. Using modern science and the scientific method and higher university education which is all Christian in origin might I add. You clearly don't know the history of the big bang. It was highly contested for decades because of it's Christian implications in the scientific community for around half a century. It was only as recent as around 2009 when the Big Bang model was finally solidified by Borde and Velinkins work, you realize that right? The only reason we have so much science on the big bang model is because it was so heavily opposed so there was great effort to disprove it.
Here is where the relation to the biblical text. And let me remind you no other place was such a unique claim(which is wholly accurate across the board, not just a few correct guesses) made and the details are assumed not from knowledge of the authors but divine inspiration of the text.
While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe began to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible.
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Some very fascinating passages are in the old testament that show Jesus/trinity. I almost never hear brought up.
Let US make man in OUR IMAGE. Plural persons, singular image. Multiple as one, a singular God as a fellowship of persons revealing the triune nature of God. Only God is speaking because only God has creation power.
Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity present as individuals here too. Isaiah 48:12-16 Absolutely mind blowing passage for what it shows.
Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
And lets not forget God came for Jew AND Gentile!
Isaiah 42:6King James Version (KJV)
6 I the Lord have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
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Great footage, it's such a nice bright crimson red too it really stands out with the black.
You might want to reconsider how you incorporate evolutionary theory in how you view biology. The state of evolutionary theory in the academic field is quite dire. It doesn't work, it has countless foundational critical issues, and biologists have been trying to wholly replace the model for awhile now. There was a big conference on it back in 2016.
Renowned biologist Denis Noble has given the explicit statement and given evidence for it "neo Darwinism doesn't need to be supplemented or extended, it needs to be replaced because it's completely inadequate. Why because scientists are beginning to see levels of complexity way beyond just the complexity of DNA, like epigenetic complexity."
Genomes don't improve over time they degrade. Virus data like John Sanford on H1N1 the spanish flu shows this. Human genome from encode has shown every generation humans have 100 mutations. The only nobel laureate in the field Hermann J. Muller said just 1 mutation per generation in humans means there is no evolution explanation humanity is progressing in the opposite direction 1 per generation is deadly, yet we find out the number is 100. The human genome is degrading not progressing to a better state. This shouldn't be a shock, as information theory states information degrades, and information is the basis of life.
All the beneficial mutations in biology like the famous citrate metabolism in ecoli or antibiotic resistance are not from gain or improvement in genetic information, but reductive evolution. A degrading or loss of information crippling a function in the organism that produces a beneficial effect while still being a loss of genetic function. As the famous Lenski experiment showed.
There is no evolutionary pressure to create building blocks of mechanisms that don't yet exist. Evolution does not have foresight.
Mindless matter and mutation can't manifest code. That's rationality from irrationality. That's a reality breaking concept. If you can get such a deus ex machina mechanism that does that it invalidates all human achievement and personhood because then the universe did it all. This is why the multiverse theory is so absurd. This is why all of naturalism is absurd because it's predicated on such a deus ex machina mechanism that does not exist. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Darwin's Origin never explains the origin of species -- and this is stated by David Berlinski no less.
How does chance determine when to stop at the "desired" outcome? The concept of evolution is nonsense.
It's not even falsifiable(all results explainable and not reproducible) so really shouldn't even be called a scientific theory. It fits the criteria for being defined as mythology ironically.
Could also point out y chromosome adam and mitochondrial eve data shows humans had two ancestors and did not evolve or share ancestry with the hominids that have been around 100-200 000 years. Shocker the dating is roughly 6000-7500 years between the two data sets just like the biblical genealogy dating going back to Eden, and the dating is quite accurate in a general sense as it's just averaging mutations per generation then counting back to when they stop.
The list goes on and on and on. We could go into the Cambrian explosion evidence of countless biological structures such as virtually every eye design and body plan allowed by physics showing up in a geological instant no evolution, we could show random number generator studies for probability of words/language manifesting, or a study on evolutionary probability of extinction of over 5000 mammal species related to size increases showing mammals can't evolutionary evolve over 3kg. Darwinian evolution is a mythology of magic(rationality from irrationality), it's pseudo science and also invokes time of the gaps and god of the gaps along with all the other issues no less.
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@manofgod7622 No not the same thing. Gravitational theory is based on evidence even though we only understand the fringes of the subject. Speciation(evolution) is virtually solely hypothetical and conjecture. Very big difference. Common ancestors isn't a real thing, it's conjecture. At least in the vast overarching use we see 99% of the time. There is with some micro organisms and plants largely due to natural selection/variation allowed within the genetic coding along with interbreeding with others in the same family (like two close types of hoya plants in a close region) then the changes are just enough that we then classify them as different "species" when in reality they are still very similur but that's just our classification system. It's more a technically of terms. I don't think you've heard of the Cambrain explosion and it's implications on evolution here is an example of just how significant it destroys evolutionary theory. References at the end if you want to read further.
Fossil record doesn't show evolution(speciation).
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@fl00d69 Christianity is evidenced based. Faith is the product of truth, and truth is ultimately a person Jesus Christ who said I am the truth. Faith not from truth is blind faith, an aberration of the fundamental concept of faith which unfortunately has been popularized as the standard definition which is absurd and clearly not the type of faith presented in the bible and used to do science.
Paul wrote test everything and hold fast to that which is true (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Being a Christian isn't about blind faith. Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which essentially means a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. It is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples. All the disciples denied Jesus on the cross. All the miracles and evidence Jesus was God like walking on water raising the dead, hearing God from heaven speak and say this is my Son was not enough. So why would it be enough for you? It wouldn't. Christianity should have died on the cross with Jesus. But Pentecost happened. God the Holy Spirit came and his promise is to reveal Jesus and make him real to you. That is when all the disciples would rather give their lives for Jesus than deny him, hundreds of thousands would die as martyrs in the Colosseum than deny Jesus who was then made real to them more real than walking on water or raising the dead infront of them in person.
Just a reminder the apologetic case of the resurrection is based on the historical evidence and it uses the same method of reasoning mainly inference to the best explanation that Darwin uses in the Origin of Species.
The New Testament shows with the physician Luke telling that they knew and understood and had the same objections we do today that a miracle goes against the laws of nature and addressed it with the story of Zechariah that a God that created it all with those laws of nature can intervene into them. To assume miracles can't happen is to wrongly assume this universe is a closed system, science does not tell us that.
You are hindered by a philosophical presupposition that thinks, that is the way it must have happened. That is a big issue for a scientist, am I going to stick with what the science is saying or with my philosophical presupposition? Richard Lewontin a geneticist was very honest in stating; "The methods of science do not compel us to accept a materialistic explanation. What does? Our apriori conviction." Atheists aren't following where the evidence leads, because they are self limiting the extent of their own rationality. It's irrational in the strictest sense. Atheism and science do not mix.
If the mental is purely physical, then we have no reason to have any confidence in anything our brain produces. -Thomas Nagel Atheist
Having no belief in God undermines the very rational mind you require to do science and argue with.
So there is nothing in genuine science to stop the belief in God, there is everything in genuine science to support the belief in God and the belief in God is what encourages the very enterprise of science which is why it birthed modern science. Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver. There is only one ultimate type of truth that you or anyone can accept to not just believe a God exists but accept and give your life to him and know him, and that's from him giving that evidence personally as Jesus promises and does for all those that seek him.
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@davidagiel8130 Your ignorance isn't mine. Pretending rhyming words somehow relate is patently ridiculous.
Secondly the prophecy of Jesus was all throughout the old testament. As is the person of Jesus before his incarnate transformation. It's all consistent. Read Jude 5 Jesus literally says he was the God that was with Israel and Moses when he led them out of Egypt and defeated their foes.
Who we see as Jesus is consistent across scripture which I remind you is dozens of books by multiple authors across thousands of years multiple continents and languages.
Here are some examples.
Like Abraham and Isaac. Abraham represents the Father, Issac represents the Son, Issac carried the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill, Jesus carried the cross the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill of Calvary. As Abraham was about to kill Issac God said no I will provide the sacrifice and gave a ram. Jesus is called the lamb of God and was the Fathers sacrifice for all of our sin because the bible says the work of the cross was the Fathers idea, remember Jesus praying not my will but yours be done. The son obeyed the will of the father.
There is the story of Israel in the desert becoming diseased and God telling them to put a serpent on a wooden pole and to look at it and be healed. The wooden pole is the cross and the serpent represent sin destroyed on the cross.
The story of Ruth of Jew and Gentile coming together. Ruth was a Gentile who became part of the genetic linage of Jesus on his mothers side, the side promised to bring him into the world. Just like Jesus brought Jew and Gentile together with his work.
The story of Joseph representing Jesus being betrayed by his brothers representing the disciples who all denied Jesus on the cross and put him in a hole for 3 days like Jesus was dead for 3 days and then came out/resurrected.
There is the story of the prophet Hosea. One of the best representations of Jesus. Hosea means savior. God tells Hosea to marry Gomer a prostitute. They have a child named Jezrial which means planted by God. Gomer then sleeps around and has two children by other men Lo Ruhamah which means no mercy and Lo Ammi which means not my people. Gomer leaves Hosea and the children stay with him and Hosea calls them Ruhamah meaning he will have mercy, and Ammi my people. He was upset and told the children to tell Gomer to come home. God says to Hosea no she won't respond to that. The bible says sleeping around and people who become drunks takes away their affection. But God says I'm going to make her instead repulsive to her lovers, and suddenly no one wants to be with her. She now has no money and she then is put on a slave block. Hosea goes to the slave block and buys her back. He says to Gomer you are not going to call me master instead I'm to be your husband. The perfect picture of redemption of Jesus buying us back from our sins saying I don't want to be your master I want to be your lover. It is one of the most beautiful pictures given in the bible.
The bible outlines both prayer and the person of Jesus in the description of the tabernacle as Jesus is the bodily fulfilment of the ceremonal law The gate(enter into his presence with worship and praise), Jesus is the gate, the 4 colors on the gate represents the 4 positions Jesus holds, as outlined in the four gospels which also is represented in the four faces on the cherub/living creature(which purpose is to protect God's glory) and the nature of each face on the creature. Scarlet=Luke=Savior=face of man, Purple=Mathew=King=face of lion(authority), White=Mark=Perfect Man=face of ox(servant/sacrifice), Blue=John=Son of God=face of eagle(divinity). The the outercourt is where we cleanse ourselves to come into his presence the alter of sacrifice we cleanse ourselves with his blood he is the lamb, the laver he is the purifying word that washes us, represented also when blood and water poured out from his side when he was pierced by the spear. The outercourt represents one of 3 realms of prayer as outlined by Jesus. Knock(holy of holies), seek(holy place), ask(outercourt). Outercourt is the asking because that is where you make your requests known to the Lord. The Holy place, table of shobread Jesus is the bread, the life. The lamp stand, Jesus is the light, the way. The incense, Jesus is our High Priest in constant intersession for us our prayers go through him, insense represents prayer in the bible. Then the Holy of Holies the ark of the covenant, he is our covenant, the mercy seat stained with blood. When the the priest once a year dipped his robe in blood when he went into the Holy of Holies so a stream of blood was behind him whereever he walked, he went to each piece of furniture which then made a line on the ground of blood and it made the shape of the cross because of the positioning of all the furniture in the cross shape if you looked from above and then you'd see then this large blood outline of the cross. Jesus of course died on the cross for our sins and shed his blood, so a blood cross is a perfect representation. Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah 22:23, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
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Noah Facts. Not my fault if you are scientifically illiterate.
Fossil record doesn't show evolution(speciation).
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@joecoolioness6399 There is extensive scientific evidence which spans the sciences. There wasn't any hand picking of stories either, the biblical text was organically compiled and it's claims of divine inspiration has extensive evidence. Such as the continuity, 100% accuracy of prophecy and so on. God is not one dimensional he is not always loving. To be a good God requires he also must be just.
Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which basically means like a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. As I already brought up it is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Like I said Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples.
One can talk about intellectual, scientific, historical evidences extensively and one can understand and even accept the implications. They aren't enough. Being a Christian is coming as you are to Jesus and letting him do everything. He makes himself real to you, he changes you, he does everything. The bible says Jesus even has to put the desire to love him in you. Remember we are talking about God, mere humans, specks of dust don't even have the capacity for all these things. That is why they all must be supplied by Jesus, God. One just has to seek him and ask him to prove himself.
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@Nisikaa_ Your example is nonsensical. You just called having any standard cherry picking. So have a standard to be able to identify continuity and it's cherry picking, have no standard and nothing would exist.
The continuity itself shows it's divine inspiration. The Bible is a library of sixty-six different books, long and short, written in different languages (Hebrew, Caldean and Greek), written in various countries (Judea, Babylon, 66 Books of the BibleAsia Minor, Greece and Italy), written in various times during a period stretching over about fifteen hundred years and with an intermission of about 400 years, written by about forty different authors, people with Egyptian culture, people with Jewish culture, people with Greek and Roman culture, people with no culture.
Written by all sorts and conditions of men (priests, prophets, princes, peasants, warriors, statesmen, herdsmen, poets, publicans, physicians, fishermen, historians, lawyers, chroniclers, philosophers, orators, autocrats, exiles, rich, poor, evangelists, apostles), written to Jew and to Gentile, written to Greek and barbarian, to bond and to free, to men and to women, to young and to old, to individuals, congregations, the whole world. Written in the rush of the city and in the hush of the country; written in palace and in prison, written in prosperity and in adversity, written in the height of national glory on Mount Zion and in the depth of national shame beside quiet waters. These books contain prose, poetry, prophecy, history, type, antitype, sign, symbol, miracle, parable, biography, philosophy, description, travel, exploration, legislation, invitation, exhortation, denunciation, argumentation, commendation, indignation, prayers, blessings, curses, oration, consolation, fierce invective, impassioned appeal, and coolest and calmest logic, letters, hymns, pastorals, romance, tragedy and jubilee, sobbing sighs and shouts of joy, sermons, lyrics, proverbs, epigrams and axioms.
Thinking on these facts, we must needs expect chaos as the outcome. It cannot be but that parts of this variegated library contradict other parts. But do we find it so? By no means! On the contrary and wonderful to relate, we find a marvelous unity of design and harmony in statements.
Have you ever realized the Bible had so much unity? Fifteen hundred years, forty different authors, three different languages, five or six different countries. And yet with all of these variations, there’s still just one theme and it all harmonizes together. If you were a god and you’d created some people, and you wanted to communicate to them through a written word, wouldn’t you make sure that your Bible had characteristics like that? And someone might say, well, there’s really nothing all that hard about that, I mean, other books have been written like that. Well let’s see if that is really true.
Why don’t we go down to some seminary, some theological seminary, but instead of getting people with different languages and from different countries and different backgrounds and over hundreds of years, why don’t we just get forty students who are all going there at the same time from the same country who have the same teachers and just ask them to do us a favor? Without conferring with each other, why don’t we ask them to write about a fifty page paper each, on the subject of God (His existence, His nature, His purposes), and man (where he came from, what he’s here for, where he’s going), and things about spiritual ideas. And then let’s collect all 2000 pages which would be about the length of a Bible, I suppose, and put them all together and see if they have the same kind of harmony that the Bible does.
You say, well they might. Well, I’ll tell you what, why don’t you just go down to the library and find any 40 books off the shelf in the religious section and see if they all are in harmony with each other. You see it hasn’t been done. The Bible is totally unique.
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Just fyi as far as Moses and the acacia bush I think some more context is needed. Acacia is also used as the wood for all the poles holding up the fabric wall of the tabernacle. Acacia wood is symbolic for eternal flesh in the bible because it doesn't rot.
Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
As for Moses and the acacia bush, of course we all know the story the burning bush and God was present. Well specifically the member of the trinity there as the burning bush was the Word aka Jesus not the Holy Spirit or Father. Which also ties into acacia wood and the eternal flesh. The name of God given to Moses at the burning bush and part of the name of Moses is what is the basis of the name of the Word when he was made flesh, Jesus.
Jesus was always the name. English Iesus then Jesus when the letter J came about. Greek it's Iesous. Hebrew it's Jesha(s) the s is added for syntax and to denote masculinity. The Name Jesus is derived from the Hebrew I Am the name of God at the burning bush, and from part of the name Moses in Hebrew that means water. The full meaning of the name Jesus in Hebrew, Jesha(s) is GOD WHO SAVES BY WATER which is very profound.
So I think it's quite absurd to write off the burning bush and Moses as a hallucination when the significance and backstory associated with it and acacia wood is extremely extensive and far more detailed than I even could try to dumb down and sum up here.
Also the acacia branch and Noah story also has significance because it is the second covenant in the scripture and the first one sealed which is important. The seal was the rainbow, God promised to never destroy by flood again. He actually did twice the Noah flood and preadamic flood which one could tie into past civilizations. Anyways The acacia branch and Noah, the branch represents the eternal flesh/cross/Jesus/eternal life, the dove represents the Holy Sprint that carried the branch back to Noah and so on. I'll stop now or I'll be writing a book here.
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@tomasrocha6139 Sorry but to put it nicely you haven't the vaguest clue about the state of evolutionary theory in the academic field. It doesn't work, it has countless foundational critical issues, and biologists have been trying to wholly replace the model for awhile now. There was a big conference on it back in 2016. I'll help you out further.
Renowned biologist Denis Noble has given the explicit statement and given evidence for it "neo Darwinism doesn't need to be supplemented or extended, it needs to be replaced because it's completely inadequate. Why because scientists are beginning to see levels of complexity way beyond just the complexity of DNA, like epigenetic complexity."
Genomes don't improve over time they degrade. Virus data like John Sanford on H1N1 the spanish flu shows this. Human genome from encode has shown every generation humans have 100 mutations. The only nobel laureate in the field Hermann J. Muller said just 1 mutation per generation in humans means there is no evolution explanation humanity is progressing in the opposite direction 1 per generation is deadly, yet we find out the number is 100. The human genome is degrading not progressing to a better state. This shouldn't be a shock, as information theory states information degrades, and information is the basis of life.
All the beneficial mutations in biology like the famous citrate metabolism in ecoli or antibiotic resistance are not from gain or improvement in genetic information, but reductive evolution. A degrading or loss of information crippling a function in the organism that produces a beneficial effect while still being a loss of genetic function. As the famous Lenski experiment showed.
There is no evolutionary pressure to create building blocks of mechanisms that don't yet exist. Evolution does not have foresight.
Mindless matter and mutation can't manifest code. That's rationality from irrationality. That's a reality breaking concept. If you can get such a deus ex machina mechanism that does that it invalidates all human achievement and personhood because then the universe did it all. This is why the multiverse theory is so absurd. This is why all of naturalism is absurd because it's predicated on such a deus ex machina mechanism that does not exist.
Darwin's Origin never explains the origin of species -- and this is stated by David Berlinski no less.
How does chance determine when to stop at the "desired" outcome? The concept of evolution is nonsense.
Could also point out y chromosome adam and mitochondrial eve data shows humans had two ancestors and did not evolve. Shocker the dating is roughly 6000-7500 years just like the biblical genealogy dating going back to Eden, and the dating is quite accurate in a general sense as it's just averaging mutations per generation then counting back to when they stop appearing.
The list goes on and on and on. We could go into the Cambrian explosion, we could show random number generator studies for probability, or studies on evolutionary probability of mammals as size increases and so on. Darwinian evolution is a mythology of magic(rationality from irrationality), it's pseudo science and also invokes time of the gaps and god of the gaps along with all the other issues no less.
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@LucBylemans The bible outlines both prayer and the person of Jesus in the description of the tabernacle as Jesus is the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law The gate(enter into his presence with worship and praise), Jesus is the gate, the 4 colors on the gate represents the 4 positions Jesus holds, as outlined in the four gospels which also is represented in the four faces on the cherub/living creature(which purpose is to protect God's glory) and the nature of each face on the creature. Scarlet=Luke=Savior=face of man, Purple=Mathew=King=face of lion(authority), White=Mark=Perfect Man=face of ox(servant/sacrifice), Blue=John=Son of God=face of eagle(divinity). The the outercourt is where we cleanse ourselves to come into his presence the alter of sacrifice we cleanse ourselves with his blood he is the lamb, the laver he is the purifying word that washes us, represented also when blood and water poured out from his side when he was pierced by the spear. The outercourt represents one of 3 realms of prayer as outlined by Jesus. Knock(holy of holies), seek(holy place), ask(outercourt). Outercourt is the asking because that is where you make your requests known to the Lord.
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@LucBylemans The Holy place, table of shobread Jesus is the bread, the life. The lamp stand, Jesus is the light, the way. The incense, Jesus is our High Priest in constant intersession for us our prayers go through him, incense represents prayer in the bible. Then the Holy of Holies the ark of the covenant, he is our covenant, the mercy seat stained with his blood. When the the priest once a year dipped his robe in blood when he went into the Holy of Holies so a stream of blood was behind him whereever he walked, he went to each piece of furniture which then made a line on the ground of blood and it made the shape of the cross because of the positioning of all the furniture in the cross shape if you looked from above and then you'd see then this large blood outline of the cross. Jesus of course died on the cross for our sins and shed his blood, so a blood cross is a perfect representation. Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah 22:23, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
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@noneofyourbeeswax01 Nah you are just wholly scientifically illiterate and clearly struggle extensively to comprehend such topics.
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@audreymuzingo933
From Professor Daniel B. Wallace who works specifically on NT manuscripts in the leading org that does NT manuscript work in the world.
We have roughly 5500 Greek manuscripts what the New Testament was written in.
We have roughly 10 000 Latin New Testament manuscripts.
We have roughly 5000-10 000 New Testament ancient manuscripts in other languages.
Quotations from early Church fathers on the New Testament over 1 million, some possibly before the New Testament was even completed. Extensive commentaries some 15 book volumes long, many on discussion of textual variants that popped up even. Even if we wiped out all the manuscripts we could rewrite the New Testament from these quotes several times over.
To put into perspective how much we have for the New Testament. The average classical writer the number of manuscripts are around 15 that's physically stacks up to around 4 feet. With all the manuscripts we have of the New Testament just the Greek and other languages not the quotations from the church fathers, that stacks up to 6600 feet tall which is roughly 2.5 burj khalifa the tallest building in the world stacked on top of each other. Keep in mind for historians of the time around Jesus in contrast the manuscript material we got we never had anything but fragments or one manuscript for 700-1500 years for most of them. And even with those, scholars accept what is in them is pretty much what was said.
For comparison any other standard classical writings, when it comes to the New Testament it is calculated we have on average around 1000 times more material evidence than we do for the classical author. And it comes around 1000 years earlier than the classical authors.
99% of all errors that have been found in the New Testament texts are of zero relevance. Case in point in Greek there are over 368 ways just to write "John loves Mary," it will all get translated to in English "John loves Mary." Other word orders take that to over 500, and a different word for love over 1200 ways to write it. These are the type of absurd errors in the thousands Bart Erman references. The point being if we can "John loves Mary" over 1000 times differently without substantially changing the meaning, the number of textual variants for the New Testament is meaningless. What counts is the nature of the variants, less than 1/5 of 1% of all variants fit the nature of being meaningful/viable legitimate in changing the nature of the text. Such profound issues put in question such as whether fasting is or isn't stated as being required with prayer during an exorcism, or is the mark of the beast 666 or 616. Ehrman states in the appendix of his book "Misquoting Jesus," "Essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament."
Unreal the gall and audacity you have talking from such a state of sheer ignorance. lol just shameless!
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@audreymuzingo933 lmao you clearly don't understand you are not arguing from the intellectual, scientific, moral, or rational high ground but the low ground. Christianity is what gave you the modern world you live in today. It's where universities, the scientific method, modern science and so on came from. You don't even have an argument for your own rationality without God. Atheism is self defeating haha! The big bang theory is a uniquely biblical concept that was derived from the bible, no one else came close only the bible got it right. And guess what it helps show the universe had a finite start thus was created needing a creator, it also got information based life correct. Mind required no naturalism for life haha.
Atheism: "A magical nothing created everything and when I die I become nothing, becoming one again with my creator."
lmao that's your worldview not mine. Atheism is a mythology of magic, rationality from irrationality. Atheism has been killed by science. Ones rational mind that you need to defend your position can't even be a product of Atheism! It's self defeating! Atheism is a belief of blind faith that goes against the paradigm of reality that mind is required for creation. Does the author or video game programmer make something out of nothing with magic? No they use their mind. Is the mind immaterial? Yes. Does that mean it's magic? No. Is information immaterial? Yes. Does that mean it's magic? No. Mind>magic. Science does not support the view the universe is a closed system and events can't be fed in aka miracles, that's your blind faith. Believe in magic all you want but don't pretend your illogical pseudo science worldview is the high ground to argue from when it's utter nonsense and self defeating it's so absurd haha.😄😄😄
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@audreymuzingo933 Sorry but to put it nicely you haven't the vaguest clue about the state of evolutionary theory in the academic field. It doesn't work, it has countless foundational critical issues, and biologists have been trying to wholly replace the model for awhile now. There was a big conference on it back in 2016. I'll help you out further.
Renowned biologist Denis Noble has given the explicit statement and given evidence for it "neo Darwinism doesn't need to be supplemented or extended, it needs to be replaced because it's completely inadequate. Why because scientists are beginning to see levels of complexity way beyond just the complexity of DNA, like epigenetic complexity."
Genomes don't improve over time they degrade. Virus data like John Sanford on H1N1 the spanish flu shows this. Human genome from encode has shown every generation humans have 100 mutations. The only nobel laureate in the field Hermann J. Muller said just 1 mutation per generation in humans means there is no evolution explanation humanity is progressing in the opposite direction 1 per generation is deadly, yet we find out the number is 100. The human genome is degrading not progressing to a better state. This shouldn't be a shock, as information theory states information degrades, and information is the basis of life.
All the beneficial mutations in biology like the famous citrate metabolism in ecoli or antibiotic resistance are not from gain or improvement in genetic information, but reductive evolution. A degrading or loss of information crippling a function in the organism that produces a beneficial effect while still being a loss of genetic function. As the famous Lenski experiment showed.
There is no evolutionary pressure to create building blocks of mechanisms that don't yet exist. Evolution does not have foresight.
Mindless matter and mutation can't manifest code. That's rationality from irrationality. That's a reality breaking concept. If you can get such a deus ex machina mechanism that does that it invalidates all human achievement and personhood because then the universe did it all. This is why the multiverse theory is so absurd. This is why all of naturalism is absurd because it's predicated on such a deus ex machina mechanism that does not exist.
Darwin's Origin never explains the origin of species -- and this is stated by David Berlinski no less.
How does chance determine when to stop at the "desired" outcome? The concept of evolution is nonsense.
Could also point out y chromosome adam and mitochondrial eve data shows humans had two ancestors and did not evolve. Shocker the dating is roughly 6000-7500 years just like the biblical geneology dating going back to Eden, and the dating is quite accurate in a general sense as it's just averaging mutations per generation then counting back to when they stop appearing.
The list goes on and on and on. We could go into the Cambrian explosion, we could show random number generator studies for probability, or studies on evolutionary probability of mammals as size increases and so on. Darwinian evolution is a mythology of magic(rationality from irrationality), it's pseudo science and also invokes time of the gaps and god of the gaps along with all the other issues no less.
ROFL you got nothing and are talking from a bottomless pit not the intellectual, scientific, moral, rational high ground lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Roy Hale
He has to be the context correlates with all the other passages in the bible. The change of names due to change of position and authority is not uncommon in the scripture either. Here are a few scriptures about old earth. Try to visualize the picture the bible gives when going over these events it helps a lot to put it in perspective.
Genesis 1:1-2
Hebrew word for begining "bara" which means brought out of nothing.
In the dateless past Elohim brought out of nothing the heavens and the earth. (Hebrew translated)
Trinity is introduced because anything ended with im is plural. Elohim is the plural word for God.
Something is mising something is not right Gen 1:2 looking at the picture given.
Hayah is the Hebrew and should have been translated to became not was in Gen 1:2, but really doesn't change the picture.
Something took place between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 because everything God makes or creates is perfect. Nothing God creates is shapeless formless and void.
Deuteronomy 32:4King James Version (KJV)
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Isaiah 45:18King James Version (KJV)
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
Ecclesiastes 3:11King James Version (KJV)
11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Psalm 18:30King James Version (KJV)
30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
Genesis 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Intoduces the word let. Let is not a word of creation but always permission in the bible.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
We see got restoring not creating the atmosphere of the earth. The earth was flooded, there was a flood.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
The Hebrew word for made here is "asa" which means to shape or form to make. Not building, that is whole different word used when God created Eve. God wasn't creating something here he was simply restoring.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Once again let a word of permission. It also shows the earth was flooded.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Once again let a word of permission and we keep seeing let. Gen 1:3 and on is the work of restoration not creation.
Gen 1:2 we see a destroyed earth so what happened?
Job 9:1-7 King James Version (KJV)
1 Then Job answered and said,
2 I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?
3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.
4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.
When did this destruction happen? It hasn't since Adam walked the earth. It won't in the millenium. Or after because God will just completely destroy and make a new one. It says God sealed up the heavens.
Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
Now we see Gen 1:2 when the Holy Spirit walked upon the face of the waters.
Now lets see how we got the picture we see in Gen 1:2
Jeremiah 4:23King James Version (KJV)
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
In Gen 1 we go from the negative to the positive. Here we go from the positive to the negative. We also see no man, birds no birds, fruitful place to wilderness. Gen 1 we see the opposite. No man to man, no animals God creates them, wilderness to fruitfull place. Restoration not destruction. Then we see cities before Adam. Then we see God say he will not make a full end in other words he is not done with it he'll restore it which he did in Gen 1:3 onward.
Isaiah 24 gives the same picture of.
Isaiah 24:1King James Version (KJV)
24 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
He turned the earth upside down. It hasn't happened since Adam. It's not gonna be during the Lords reign on earth or after that. Then we see he scattered abroad the inhabitants. If God did that to us we'd be dead yet these inhabitants are still alive. They are the preadamic race, only mentioned as demons now.
So we see in Job 9 God flooded the earth and Gen 1:2 the earth was flooded and the Holy Spirit was upon the face of the waters. There was no light no warmth so the earth was a frozen ball of ice. The destruction was sudden. Perhaps this was the ice age?
Job 38:1-7
1Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
This shows the angels were there when God restored the earth.The angels were created before this. This happened after the fall of Lucifer.
Job 38:25-30
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
We see Gen 1:2 a frozen earth and the work of restoration.
Psalms 104 we see again the preadamic flood.
Psalms 104:4-8
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
Once again the picture of the preadamic flood. God rebuked the water. We don't see that in Noahs flood no rebuke. In fact with the flood of Noah it took 120 days. Here it was in an instant God rebuked it and the waters went away.
So what led to these events? What angered God that he'd do this?
Isaiah 14:9-20
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Talking about Satan, we see he was in heaven verse 12, at the time he was cut down there were nations, another proof of the preadamic era. Verse 13 onwards an evil desire entered his heart, where was he when this happened? He was on the earth it said he wanted to exalt his throne above the clouds meaning he was below them. We also see he had a throne on the earth. You can't have a throne without being a king and can't be a king without a kingdom. We see Satan was in hell before Adam was created but came to visit the earth to see if he could regain his position. We see the inhabitants destroyed at the rebellion talking to Satan. Which also shows us the preadamic race are what we call demons because it says they were in the pit and we know elsewhere in the scripture the pit is the abode of demons. So we see demons not men talking to Satan. We also see in 17 the wilderness like in Jeremiah the fruitfull place that became a wilderness because of Lucifer.
Ezekiel 28:1-11 is talking about the prince of Tyrus which is the anti-Christ. Verse 12 we see the King of Tyrus Satan being addressed.
Ezekiel 28:12-19
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Tyrus was the center of idolitry and here we find Satan is called the king of that. He was full of wisdom perfect in beauty. This is before his fall now. He was in the Eden of God the preadamic Eden, there were two Edens. The preadamic Eden and the adamic Eden. The preadamic belonged to Lucifer, the adamic to Adam. Lucifer was the anointed cherub that covereth. So we see something unusual he had two positions cherub and archangel. The only being in heaven with more than one office is Jesus. Lucifer was next in position to the Godhead we see. He was honored above all other angels. He walked up and down the throne of heaven by the stones of fire singing to the Lord since he was in charge of worship. Like we see around God in Exodus 24:10 and 17. God cast Lucifer out of his government, the mountain of God speaks of God's government. Verse 18 we see Lucifer had sanctuaries meaning he was a priest. So since he had a throne he was a king and priest over the earth. He defiled his priesthood by corrupting God's word to the inhabitants and kept it for himself and gave corrupted word to the inhabitants. Think if the influence and power to convince an innumerable number of angels which were one third and all the earth against God.
Gen 1:26-28
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Now God restoring the earth and creating Adam. We see God saying "replenish" and "subdue" it, confirming what was previously said. God said the exact same thing to Noah replenish which also shows confirmation. We see subdue which means the presence of enemy and still rebellion on the earth talking about the demonic world.
Gen 2:1 we see heavens from the Hebrew word shamayim. Which is the same word in Gen 1:1 which should also be heavens plural.
Gen 2:1 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
We see the word made confirms restoration.
2 Peter 3:5-7King James Version (KJV)
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
This is speaking of the preadamic flood because it says in the water speaking of Gen 1:6-9 flood not Noah's. He is saying the world before Adam was not reserved it was utterly destroyed. The world after Adam is reserved/preserved till judgment because Noah's flood only destroyed man and animal.
Gen 2:22
And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
The word made here in Hebrew is panah which means to build. The word in Gen 1 is asa which is make and form.
Gen 5:1-2
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
The name Eve came after the fall.
We don't know the length of period till the fall.
Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The very fact God said her seed speaks of the virgin birth of Christ, for had he said his seed it could not have been. But when he said her said it speaks of God's Son. Here God gave the promise of the coming messiah.
Gen 3 we see Satan stole back his position from Adam he had lost. But God also placed a curse on him and a promise of his destruction.
Gen 6 we see Satan tried to destroy the plan of God to destroy him in having the angels under him destroy the seed of the woman so no Christ could be born.
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William Slaughter
So you are telling me dungeons and dragons can be compared to the bible? Here is the down low on what you are missing in this picture.
The Bible is a library of sixty-six different books, long and short, written in different languages (Hebrew, Caldean and Greek), written in various countries (Judea, Babylon, 66 Books of the BibleAsia Minor, Greece and Italy), written in various times during a period stretching over about fifteen hundred years and with an intermission of about 400 years, written by about forty different authors, people with Egyptian culture, people with Jewish culture, people with Greek and Roman culture, people with no culture.
Written by all sorts and conditions of men (priests, prophets, princes, peasants, warriors, statesmen, herdsmen, poets, publicans, physicians, fishermen, historians, lawyers, chroniclers, philosophers, orators, autocrats, exiles, rich, poor, evangelists, apostles), written to Jew and to Gentile, written to Greek and barbarian, to bond and to free, to men and to women, to young and to old, to individuals, congregations, the whole world. Written in the rush of the city and in the hush of the country; written in palace and in prison, written in prosperity and in adversity, written in the height of national glory on Mount Zion and in the depth of national shame beside quiet waters. These books contain prose, poetry, prophecy, history, type, antitype, sign, symbol, miracle, parable, biography, philosophy, description, travel, exploration, legislation, invitation, exhortation, denunciation, argumentation, commendation, indignation, prayers, blessings, curses, oration, consolation, fierce invective, impassioned appeal, and coolest and calmest logic, letters, hymns, pastorals, romance, tragedy and jubilee, sobbing sighs and shouts of joy, sermons, lyrics, proverbs, epigrams and axioms.
Thinking on these facts, we must needs expect chaos as the outcome. It cannot be but that parts of this variegated library contradict other parts. But do we find it so? By no means! On the contrary and wonderful to relate, we find a marvelous unity of design and harmony in statements.
Have you ever realized the Bible had so much unity? Fifteen hundred years, forty different authors, three different languages, five or six different countries. And yet with all of these variations, there’s still just one theme and it all harmonizes together. If you were a god and you’d created some people, and you wanted to communicate to them through a written word, wouldn’t you make sure that your Bible had characteristics like that? And someone might say, well, there’s really nothing all that hard about that, I mean, other books have been written like that. Well let’s see if that is really true.
Why don’t we go down to some seminary, some theological seminary, but instead of getting people with different languages and from different countries and different backgrounds and over hundreds of years, why don’t we just get forty students who are all going there at the same time from the same country who have the same teachers and just ask them to do us a favor? Without conferring with each other, why don’t we ask them to write about a fifty page paper each, on the subject of God (His existence, His nature, His purposes), and man (where he came from, what he’s here for, where he’s going), and things about spiritual ideas. And then let’s collect all 2000 pages which would be about the length of a Bible, I suppose, and put them all together and see if they have the same kind of harmony that the Bible does.
You say, well they might. Well, I’ll tell you what, why don’t you just go down to the library and find any 40 books off the shelf in the religious section and see if they all are in harmony with each other. You see it hasn’t been done. The Bible is totally unique.
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Not according to Dr Gary Gordon who teaches over 5000 doctors across the world.
From: David Ponsonby
http://vitalitymagazine.com/article/dramatic-health-recoveries-reported/
Dramatic Health Recoveries Reported By Patients Who Took Their Doctor's Advice and Stopped Using GMO Foods
by Jeffrey M. Smith
Are genetically modified (GM) foods making you sick - I mean really sick? Up until recently, all that we could say was thank goodness you're not a lab rat; GM feed messes them up big time. GMOs (genetically modified organisms) appear to trigger the immune systems of both mice and rats as if they were under attack. In addition, the gastrointestinal system is adversely affected, animals age more quickly, and vital organs are damaged. When fed GM foods, lab animals can also become infertile, have smaller or sterile offspring, increased infant mortality, and even hair growing in their mouths. Have I got your attention?
Biotechnology corporations such as Monsanto try to distort or deny the evidence, sometimes pointing to their own studies that supposedly show no reactions. But when scientists such as French toxicologist G.E. Seralini re-¬analyzed Monsanto's raw data, it actually showed that the rats fed GM corn suffered from clear signs of toxicity - evidence that industry scientists skillfully overlooked.
Doctors Prescribe Non-GMO Diets; Remarkable Recoveries Result
Although there have been no human clinical trials, experts conclude that there is sufficient evidence from animal feeding studies to remove GMOs altogether. The American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) called for a moratorium in 2009 based on their review of the research. According to their former president, Dr. Robin Bernhoft, the Academy “recommends that all physicians should prescribe non-genetically modified food for all patients, and that we should educate all of our patients on the potential health dangers, and known health dangers of GMO food.â€?
Today, thousands of physicians and nutritionists do just that, and they report that a wide variety of health conditions improve after people make the change.
Now that thousands of doctors are telling patients to stop eating GMOs, the reports are flooding in about a wide variety of symptoms that improve or just go away. Allergies, asthma, weight problems, serious digestive disorders, arthritis, autoimmune diseases, and anxiety, are just some of the issues that respond. Internist Emily Lindner, MD, says, "I see results instantaneously in people who have foggy thinking and people who have gut symptoms like bloating, gas, irritation. In terms of allergies, it might take two to five days. In terms of depression, it starts to lift almost instantaneously. It takes from a day, to certainly within two weeks." Full results, she says, usually take about four to six weeks. Dr. Lindner doesn't just eliminate GMOs in her dietary regimen, but that, she says, is the most critical component.
Read the stories from patients who describe their dramatic recoveries within days, in Jeffrey Smith's new article in Vitality Magazine. What is particularly significant is that the same symptoms that get better in humans are those that improve in livestock, pets, and lab amimals when put on a non-GMO diet (or compared to those on a GMO diet). And they are the same disorders on the rise in the US population since GMOs were introduced.
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What about bacillus theringensis clearly not safe. Also gmo's are clearly killing off many animals like bees, earthworms and so on, while destroying the ecosystem in other ways. Even if it was 100% safe for humans which it is not that is also a serious issue.
Also one year after GMO foods were introduced in England the incidence of soy allergy soared and the incidence of asthma in children increased 40%.
Also the dangers to reproductive health.
Manila, PHILIPPINES — A study published today by the Austrian government identified that genetically modified (GMO) crops pose serious threats to reproductive health. In one of the very few long-term feeding studies ever conducted with GMO crops, the fertility of mice fed with a variety of Bt corn, a genetically-modified organism (GMO) was found to be severely impaired, with fewer offspring being produced than by mice fed on natural crops. Considering the severity of the potential threat to human health and reproduction, Greenpeace is demanding a recall of all GMO food and crops from the market, worldwide. The GMO crop used in the study is NK 603 x MON 810, a variety of Bt corn owned by GMO seed company Monsanto. The crop, marketed in the Philippines under the name 'DEKALB Roundup Ready Corn 2' or 'DK818YG(RRC2),' has been approved for food use since 2004 and planting since 2005, despite concerns by sustainable agriculture groups. The corn contains a built-in insect-killer, as well as tolerance to a powerful herbicide, glyphosate, meant to be used with the crop. The study, sponsored by the Austrian Ministries for Agriculture and Health, was presented on last week at a scientific seminar in Vienna, Austria. Prof. Dr. Jürgen Zentek, Professor for Veterinary Medicine at the University of Vienna and lead author of the study, summarized the findings: mice fed with GMO corn had less offspring in the third and fourth generations, and these differences were statistically significant. Mice fed with non-GMO corn reproduced more efficiently. This effect can be attributed to the difference in the food source. The Austrian scientists performed several long-term feeding trials with laboratory mice over a course of 20 weeks. One of the studies was a so-called reproductive assessment by continuous breeding (RACB) trial, in which the same parent generation gave birth to several litters of baby mice. The parents were fed either with a diet containing 33% of the GMO corn variety, or a closely related non-GMO variety. A decrease in litter size and weight was found to be statistically significant in the third and fourth litters in the GMO-fed mice compared to the control group. "This study clearly demonstrates that GMOs have a lot of unknown environmental and health risks and that the safety of GMO crops can not be guaranteed. This is not the first GMO to have been discovered to pose serious health risks, and it will not be the last. Unfortunately, because the approval process for GMOs are extremely lax, particularly in our country, we are only finding out about the health risks after the GMO has been approved, planted and eaten by the public," said Greenpeace Southeast Asia Genetic Engineering Campaigner Daniel Ocampo. "The Philippine government should heed these warnings and recall the approval of all GMOs in the country." "GMO food appears to be acting as a birth control agent, potentially leading to infertility--if this is not reason enough to close down the whole biotech industry once and for all, I am not sure what kind of disaster we are waiting for," said Dr. Jan van Aken, GE expert at Greenpeace International. "The reproductive toxicity of this GMO corn was a totally unexpected result, but regulators around the world had considered this GMO corn variety as safe as non-GMO varieties--a potentially devastating error. Playing genetic roulette with our food crops is like playing Russian roulette with consumers and public health."
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what? Bt is pretty cut and dry. I think you know that since you never addressed that.
Monsanto has lied about the safety of bacillus theringensis (Bt) now found routinely in the blood stream, even in pregnancy. This leads to many health issues but, at the very least, we can expect Dysbiosis, as Bt is a pesticide. And with Dysbiosis we will get leaky gut and that will lead to food sensitivities. That is the least we can expect from this invasion of our land by Monsanto with their GMO foods. The attached suggests far worse is starting to happen due to this disruption of nature.
Dr. Garry F. Gordon, MD, DO, MD(H)
President, Gordon Research Institute
www.gordonresearch.com
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2099/12/31/genetically-modified-crops-insects-emerged.aspx?e_cid=20111230_DNL_artTest_C2
Story at-a-glance
· Bt corn, which accounts for 65 percent of all corn grown in the US, has produced a new generation of insects resistant to the built-in pesticide in such plants. This failure could be the most serious threat ever to a genetically modified crop in the US, with billions of dollars at stake
· We're also seeing rapid emergence of super-weeds resistant to glyphosate, courtesy of Roundup Ready crops, and the emergence of a brand new organism capable of producing disease and infertility in both plants and animals
· Bt-toxin has been identified in the blood of both pregnant and non-pregnant women, as well as the umbilical blood of their babies. Researchers believe this can be explained by its presence in the normal diet. Genetically engineered corn is present in the vast majority of all processed foods and drinks in the form of high fructose corn syrup, and you also ingest it when eating meat from animals fed Bt corn, which most livestock raised in confined animal feeding operations (CAFO, or so-called “factory farmsâ€?) are
· Bt-crops may play a role in the rise in health problems such as gastrointestinal problems, autoimmune diseases, food allergies, and childhood learning disorders
By Dr. Mercola
A new generation of insect larvae is eating the roots of genetically engineered corn intended to be resistant to such pests.
The failure of Monsanto's genetically modified Bt corn could be the most serious threat ever to a genetically modified crop in the U.S.
And the economic impact could be huge.
Billions of dollars are at stake, as Bt corn accounts for 65 percent of all corn grown in the US.
The strain of corn, engineered to kill the larvae of beetles, such as the corn rootworm, contains a gene copied from an insect-killing bacterium called Bacillus thuringiensis, or Bt.
But even though a scientific advisory panel warned the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) that the threat of insects developing resistance was high, Monsanto argued that the steps necessary to prevent such an occurrence -- which would have entailed less of the corn being planted -- were an unnecessary precaution, and the EPA naively agreed.
According to a recent NPR report:
"The scientists who called for caution now are saying 'I told you so,' because there are signs that a new strain of resistant rootworms is emerging...
[A] committee of experts at the EPA is now recommending that biotech companies put into action, for the first time, a 'remedial action plan' aimed at stopping the spread of such resistant insects ...
The EPA's experts also are suggesting that the agency reconsider its approval of a new kind of rootworm-killing corn, which Monsanto calls SmartStax. This new version of Bt corn includes two different Bt genes that are supposed to kill the rootworm in different ways. This should help prevent resistance from emerging, and the EPA is allowing farmers to plant it on up to 95 percent of their corn acres. But if one of those genes is already compromised…; such a high percentage of Bt corn could rapidly produce insects that are resistant to the second one, too."
There can be little doubt that genetically engineered crops are the most dangerous aspect of modern agriculture. Not only are we seeing rapid emergence of super-weeds resistant to glyphosate, courtesy of Roundup Ready crops, we now also have evidence of emerging Bt-resistant insects. Add to that the emergence of a brand new organism capable of producing disease and infertility in both plants and animals, and a wide variety of evidence showing harm to human health, and the only reasonable expectation one can glean is that humanity as a whole is being seriously threatened by this foolhardy technology.
Bt Corn—a Most Dangerous Failure
Monsanto's genetically modified "Bt corn" has been equipped with a gene from soil bacteria called Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis), which produces the Bt-toxin. It's a pesticide that breaks open the stomach of certain insects and kills them.
This pesticide-producing corn entered the food supply in the late 1990's, and over the past decade, the horror stories have started piling up. And the problem with Bt crops go far beyond the creation of Bt-resistant insects.
Monsanto and the EPA swore that the genetically engineered corn would only harm insects. The Bt-toxin produced inside the plant would be completely destroyed in the human digestive system and would not have any impact at all on consumers, they claimed. Alas, they've been proven wrong on that account as well, because not only is Bt corn producing resistant "super-pests," researchers have also found that the Bt-toxin can indeed wreak havoc on human health.
Bt-Toxin Now Found in Many People's Blood!
Last year, doctors at Sherbrooke University Hospital in Quebec found Bt-toxin in the blood of:
· 93 percent of pregnant women tested
· 80 percent of umbilical blood in their babies, and
· 67 percent of non-pregnant women
The study authors speculate that the Bt toxin was likely consumed in the normal diet of the Canadian middle class—which makes sense when you consider that genetically engineered corn is present in the vast majority of all processed foods and drinks in the form of high fructose corn syrup. They also suggest that the toxin may have come from eating meat from animals fed Bt corn, which most livestock raised in confined animal feeding operations (CAFO, or so-called "factory farms") are.
These shocking results raise the frightening possibility that eating Bt corn might actually turn your intestinal flora into a sort of "living pesticide factory"…; essentially manufacturing Bt-toxin from within your digestive system on a continuing basis.
If this hypothesis is correct, is it then also possible that the Bt-toxin might damage the integrity of your digestive tract in the same way it damages insects? Remember, the toxin actually ruptures the stomach of insects, causing them to die. The biotech industry has insisted that the Bt-toxin doesn't bind or interact with the intestinal walls of mammals (which would include humans). But again, there are peer-reviewed published research showing that Bt-toxin does bind with mouse small intestines and with intestinal tissue from rhesus monkeys.
Bt-Toxin Linked to Allergies, Auto-Immune Disease, and More
If Bt genes are indeed capable of colonizing the bacteria living in the human digestive tract, scientists believe it could reasonably result in:
· Gastrointestinal problems
· Autoimmune diseases
· Food allergies
· Childhood learning disorders
And lo and behold, all of these health problems are indeed on the rise…; The discovery of Bt-toxin in human blood is not proof positive of this link, but it certainly raises a warning flag. And there's plenty of other evidence showing that the Bt-toxin produced in GM corn and cotton plants is toxic to humans and mammals and triggers immune system responses. For example, in government-sponsored research in Italy , mice fed Monsanto's Bt corn showed a wide range of immune responses, such as:
· Elevated IgE and IgG antibodies, which are typically associated with allergies and infections
· An increase in cytokines, which are associated with allergic and inflammatory responses. The specific cytokines (interleukins) that were found to be elevated are also higher in humans who suffer from a wide range of disorders, from arthritis and inflammatory bowel disease, to MS and cancer
· Elevated T cells (gamma delta), which are increased in people with asthma, and in children with food allergies, juvenile arthritis, and connective tissue diseases.
Rats fed another of Monsanto's Bt corn varieties called MON 863, also experienced an activation of their immune systems, showing higher numbers of basophils, lymphocytes, and white blood cells. These can indicate possible allergies, infections, toxins, and various disease states including cancer. There were also signs of liver- and kidney toxicity.
Topical versus Internal Toxins
Farmers have used Bt-toxin from soil bacteria as a natural pesticide for years, and biotech companies have therefore claimed that Bt-toxin has a "history of safe use in agriculture." But there's a huge difference between spraying it on plants, where it biodegrades in sunlight and can be carefully washed off, and genetically altering the plant to produce it internally.
Bt crops have the Bt-toxin gene built-in, so the toxin cannot be washed off. You simply cannot avoid consuming it. Furthermore, the plant-produced version of the poison is thousands of times more concentrated than the spray.
There are also peer-reviewed studies showing that natural Bt-toxin from soil bacteria is not a safe pesticide either:
· When natural Bt-toxin was fed to mice, they had tissue damage, immune responses as powerful as cholera toxin , and even started reacting to other foods that were formerly harmless.
· Farm workers exposed to Bt also showed immune responses .
· The EPA's Bt Plant-Pesticides Risk and Benefits Assessment, created by their expert Scientific Advisory Panel, states that "Bt proteins could act as antigenic and allergenic sources."
Do You Know what You're Eating?
Did you know that two years ago, the American Academy of Environmental Medicine (AAEM) called on all physicians to prescribe diets without genetically modified (GM) foods to all patients?
They sure did, although few doctors seem to have gotten the memo. They also called for a moratorium on genetically modified organisms (GMOs), long-term independent studies, and labeling, stating:
"Several animal studies indicate serious health risks associated with GM food, including infertility, immune problems, accelerated aging, insulin regulation, and changes in major organs and the gastrointestinal system. …;There is more than a casual association between GM foods and adverse health effects. There is causation…;"
I couldn't agree more. Avoiding genetically engineered foods should be at the top of everyone's list—at least if you want a decent shot at optimal health.
The simplest way to avoid genetically engineered (GE) foods is to buy whole, certified organic foods. By definition, foods that are certified organic must never intentionally use GE ingredients, and must be produced without artificial pesticides or fertilizers. Animals must also be reared without the routine use of antibiotics, growth promoters or other drugs. Additionally, grass-fed beef will not have been fed GE corn feed.
You can also avoid genetically modified (GM) ingredients in processed foods, if you know what to look for. There are currently eight genetically modified food crops on the market:
Soy Sugar from sugar beets
Corn Hawaiian papaya
Cottonseed (used in vegetable cooking oils) Some varieties of zucchini
Canola (canola oil) Crookneck squash
This means you should avoid products with corn, soy, canola, and any of their derivatives listed as an ingredient, unless it's labeled USDA 100% Organic. As of late last year, this also includes sweet corn, as Monsanto introduced a brand new genetically engineered sweet corn called Seminis®, which contains not just one but TWO types of Bt-toxin, PLUS the Roundup Ready gene for weed control! So besides containing the insecticide, their toxic Roundup herbicide will also accumulate in the kernels.
For a helpful, straightforward guide to shopping Non-GMO, see the Non-GMO Shopping Guide http://mercola.fileburst.com/PDF/GMObrochure.pdf, created by the Institute for Responsible Technology.
Title: Seralini GMO | Posted At: January 7, 2013 5:1 AM | Posted By: moderator
There is no question in my mind Monsanto GMO foods are not healthy but with the money they have they are able to obfuscate so many “scientistsâ€? that this risk to our health will go on for some time.
Please know that Monsanto was able to spend possibly $100 million and save their company when California had it on the ballot to require them to just label it so it went down in smoke. That could have stopped this nonsense but money beat facts.
Now GMO foods are facing an attack in Washington, as well as New Mexico. We cannot let them continue to destroy the food supply of this country without fighting back! They spent at lot and defeated the proposition in California but they cannot continue to win if we attack in enough different ways. http://www.nationofchange.org/citizens-call-gmo-labeling-washington-movement-continues-1357400831
They clearly led to the increase in children's asthma by 40% in just the first year they were introduced in one country.
Food sensitivities do not start out of thin air but if you are ingesting Bt you will impair the integrity of the gut leading to leaky gut and subsequent health problems. Then too often someone will treat you with a useless and often dangerous drug that does little to help, as it is ignoring the cause. Food sensitivities are at the top of my FIGHT program because contributing undiagnosed food issues are always there. The leakier the gut the more nutritional deficiencies will develop.
I use my power drink with Zeogold and a probiotic every day to try to overcome the fact that I am on the road and not able to live the organic life necessary.
Sincerely,
Garry F. Gordon MD,DO,MD(H)
President, Gordon Research Institute
www.gordonresearch.com
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Ok so say your argument is true which it isn't then you have no argument at all here. So why are you typing after your first two sentences?
But science hasn't disprove Genesis creation account in fact it supports it. You clearly haven't the vaguest clue what you are talking about.
While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe began to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible.
You can find much well put together scientific information at this website since it is compiled by scientists in various fields. You should also check out the veritasforum channel here on youtube. I has professors from major universities across the world like Oxford, Harvard, MIT, Brown and so on talk about the strengths of the Christian faith and position and scientific support for it. Expand your horizons beyond standard media and listen to some education people.
http://www.reasons.org/rtb-101/bigbang
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Roma X
Also here are a fraction of the scriptures which deal with what I wrote. A million times more substantial than what you gave.
Genesis 1:1-2
Hebrew word for begining "bara" which means brought out of nothing.
In the dateless past Elohim brought out of nothing the heavens and the earth. (Hebrew translated)
Trinity is introduced because anything ended with im is plural. Elohim is the plural word for God.
Something is mising something is not right Gen 1:2 looking at the picture given.
Hayah is the Hebrew and should have been translated to "became" not" was" in Gen 1:2, but really doesn't change the picture.
Something took place between Gen 1:1 and Gen 1:2 because everything God makes or creates is perfect. Nothing God creates is shapeless formless and void.
Deuteronomy 32:4King James Version (KJV)
4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
Isaiah 45:18King James Version (KJV)
18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.
Ecclesiastes 3:11King James Version (KJV)
11 He hath made every thing beautiful in his time: also he hath set the world in their heart, so that no man can find out the work that God maketh from the beginning to the end.
Psalm 18:30King James Version (KJV)
30 As for God, his way is perfect: the word of the Lord is tried: he is a buckler to all those that trust in him.
Genesis 1:3King James Version (KJV)
3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Intoduces the word let. Let is not a word of creation but always permission in the bible.
6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.
We see God restoring not creating the atmosphere of the earth. The earth was flooded, there was a flood.
7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.
The Hebrew word for made here is "asa" which means to shape or form to make. Not building, that is whole different word used when God created Eve. God wasn't creating something here he was simply restoring.
9 And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so.
Once again let a word of permission. It also shows the earth was flooded.
11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so.
Once again let a word of permission and we keep seeing let. Gen 1:3 and on is the work of restoration not creation.
Gen 1:2 we see a destroyed earth so what happened?
Job 9:1-7 King James Version (KJV)
1 Then Job answered and said,
2 I know it is so of a truth: but how should man be just with God?
3 If he will contend with him, he cannot answer him one of a thousand.
4 He is wise in heart, and mighty in strength: who hath hardened himself against him, and hath prospered?
5 Which removeth the mountains, and they know not: which overturneth them in his anger.
6 Which shaketh the earth out of her place, and the pillars thereof tremble.
7 Which commandeth the sun, and it riseth not; and sealeth up the stars.
When did this destruction happen? It hasn't since Adam walked the earth. It won't in the millenium. Or after because God will just completely destroy and make a new one. It says God sealed up the heavens.
Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.
Now we see Gen 1:2 when the Holy Spirit walked upon the face of the waters.
Now lets see how we got the picture we see in Gen 1:2
Jeremiah 4:23King James Version (KJV)
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
In Gen 1 we go from the negative to the positive. Here we go from the positive to the negative. We also see no man, birds no birds, fruitful place to wilderness. Gen 1 we see the opposite. No man to man, no animals God creates them, wilderness to fruitfull place. Restoration not destruction. Then we see cities before Adam. Then we see God say he will not make a full end in other words he is not done with it he'll restore it which he did in Gen 1:3 onward.
Isaiah 24 gives the same picture of.
Isaiah 24:1King James Version (KJV)
24 Behold, the Lord maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
He turned the earth upside down. It hasn't happened since Adam. It's not gonna be during the Lords reign on earth or after that. Then we see he scattered abroad the inhabitants. If God did that to us we'd be dead yet these inhabitants are still alive. They are the preadamic race, only mentioned as demons now.
So we see in Job 9 God flooded the earth and Gen 1:2 the earth was flooded and the Holy Spirit was upon the face of the waters. There was no light no warmth so the earth was a frozen ball of ice. The destruction was sudden. Perhaps this was the ice age?
Job 38:1-7
1Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
This shows the angels were there when God restored the earth.The angels were created before this. This happened after the fall of Lucifer.
Job 38:25-30
25 Who hath divided a watercourse for the overflowing of waters, or a way for the lightning of thunder;
26 To cause it to rain on the earth, where no man is; on the wilderness, wherein there is no man;
27 To satisfy the desolate and waste ground; and to cause the bud of the tender herb to spring forth?
28 Hath the rain a father? or who hath begotten the drops of dew?
29 Out of whose womb came the ice? and the hoary frost of heaven, who hath gendered it?
30 The waters are hid as with a stone, and the face of the deep is frozen.
We see Gen 1:2 a frozen earth and the work of restoration.
Psalms 104 we see again the preadamic flood.
Psalms 104:4-8
4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:
5 Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.
6 Thou coveredst it with the deep as with a garment: the waters stood above the mountains.
7 At thy rebuke they fled; at the voice of thy thunder they hasted away.
8 They go up by the mountains; they go down by the valleys unto the place which thou hast founded for them.
Once again the picture of the preadamic flood. God rebuked the water. We don't see that in Noahs flood no rebuke. In fact with the flood of Noah it took 120 days. Here it was in an instant God rebuked it and the waters went away.
So what led to these events? What angered God that he'd do this?
Isaiah 14:9-20
9 Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: it stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations.
10 All they shall speak and say unto thee, Art thou also become weak as we? art thou become like unto us?
11 Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
Talking about Satan, we see he was in heaven verse 12, at the time he was cut down there were nations, another proof of the preadamic era. Verse 13 onwards an evil desire entered his heart, where was he when this happened? He was on the earth it said he wanted to exalt his throne above the clouds meaning he was below them. We also see he had a throne on the earth. You can't have a throne without being a king and can't be a king without a kingdom. We see Satan was in hell before Adam was created but came to visit the earth to see if he could regain his position. We see the inhabitants destroyed at the rebellion talking to Satan. Which also shows us the preadamic race are what we call demons because it says they were in the pit and we know elsewhere in the scripture the pit is the abode of demons. So we see demons not men talking to Satan. We also see in 17 the wilderness like in Jeremiah the fruitfull place that became a wilderness because of Lucifer.
Ezekiel 28:1-11 is talking about the prince of Tyrus which is the anti-Christ. Verse 12 we see the King of Tyrus Satan being addressed.
Ezekiel 28:12-19
12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.
19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
Tyrus was the center of idolitry and here we find Satan is called the king of that. He was full of wisdom perfect in beauty. This is before his fall now. He was in the Eden of God the preadamic Eden, there were two Edens. The preadamic Eden and the adamic Eden. The preadamic belonged to Lucifer, the adamic to Adam. Lucifer was the anointed cherub that covereth. So we see something unusual he had two positions cherub and archangel. The only being in heaven with more than one office is Jesus. Lucifer was next in position to the Godhead we see. He was honored above all other angels. He walked up and down the throne of heaven by the stones of fire singing to the Lord since he was in charge of worship. Like we see around God in Exodus 24:10 and 17. God cast Lucifer out of his government, the mountain of God speaks of God's government. Verse 18 we see Lucifer had sanctuaries meaning he was a priest. So since he had a throne he was a king and priest over the earth. He defiled his priesthood by corrupting God's word to the inhabitants and kept it for himself and gave corrupted word to the inhabitants. Think if the influence and power to convince an innumerable number of angels which were one third and all the earth against God.
Gen 1:26-28
26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Now God restoring the earth and creating Adam. We see God saying "replenish" and "subdue" it, confirming what was previously said. God said the exact same thing to Noah replenish which also shows confirmation. We see subdue which means the presence of enemy and still rebellion on the earth talking about the demonic world.
Gen 2:1 we see heavens from the Hebrew word shamayim. Which is the same word in Gen 1:1 which should also be heavens plural.
Gen 2:1 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
We see the word made confirms restoration.
2 Peter 3:5-7King James Version (KJV)
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
This is speaking of the preadamic flood because it says in the water speaking of Gen 1:6-9 flood not Noah's. He is saying the world before Adam was not reserved it was utterly destroyed. The world after Adam is reserved/preserved till judgment because Noah's flood only destroyed man and animal.
Gen 2:22
And the rib, which the Lord God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
The word made here in Hebrew is panah which means to build. The word in Gen 1 is asa which is make and form.
Gen 5:1-2
5 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
The name Eve came after the fall.
We don't know the length of period till the fall.
Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
The very fact God said her seed speaks of the virgin birth of Christ, for had he said his seed it could not have been. But when he said her said it speaks of God's Son. Here God gave the promise of the coming messiah.
Gen 3 we see Satan stole back his position from Adam he had lost. But God also placed a curse on him and a promise of his destruction.
Gen 6 we see Satan tried to destroy the plan of God to destroy him in having the angels under him destroy the seed of the woman so no Christ could be born.
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Roma X
I was talking about the creation accounts all over the books of the bible being coherent. Yes the bible deals with human nature. Do you now what deceived means? We were never told Samson had the IQ of Daniel or Solomon. You want to complain about the actions of Israel? Seriously? So you are in support of baby sacrifice and all the other crap going on in neighboring nations? You do realize the whole point of the path of Israel in the old testament was to guide and preserve it. If that never happened there would not have been the arrival of Christ Jesus. I don't know why you think it's all myths when the events have been proven time and again. Then we have Jesus who himself confirmed the events most questionable like Noah and Jonah and so on. If you look over the scriptures I gave they sure seem coherent to me even though they span great time, place and author. Also Jesus existed and is God. He fulfilled many prophecies, did miracles, and raised from the dead showing his divinity. I find it comical you think the bible is so incoherent yet felt so differently earlier in life you went to school to study it. Jesus is the focal point of the whole bible. I don't know how you can come to the conclusion what he offers and his work is all stupid.
In fact speaking of the continuity of the bible you can find the person of Jesus all over it like in the old testament.
Like Abraham and Isaac. Abraham represents the Father, Issac represents the Son, Issac carried the wood to be sacrifced on up the hill, Jesus carried the cross the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill of Calvary. As Abraham was about to kill Issac God said no I will provide the sacrifice and gave a ram. Jesus is called the lamb of God and was the Fathers sacrifice for all of our sin because the bible says the work of the cross was the Fathers idea, remember Jesus praying not my will but yours be done.
There is the story of Israel in the desert becoming diseased and God telling them to put a serpent on a wooden pole and to look at it and be healed. The wooden pole is the cross and the serpent represent sin destroyed on the cross.
There is the story of the prophet Hosea. One of the best representations of Jesus. Hosea means savior. God tells Hosea to marry Gomer a prostitute. They have a child named Jezrial which means planted by God. Gomer sleeps around has two children Lo Ruhamah which means no mercy and Lo Ammi which means not my people. Gomer leaves Hosea and the children stay with him and he calls them Ruhamah meaning he will have mercy, and Ammi my people. He was upset and told the children to tell Gomer to come home. God says to Hosea no she won't respond to that. The bible says sleeping around and people who become drunks takes away their affection. But God says I'm going to make her instead repulsive to her lovers, and suddenly no one wants to be with her. She now has no money and she then is put on a slave block. Hosea goes to the slave block and buys her back. He says to Gomer you are not going to call me master I'm gonna be your husband. The perfect picture of redemption of Jesus buying us back from our sins saying I don't want to be your master I want to be your lover. It is one of the most beautiful pictures given in the bible.
The bible outlines both prayer and the person of Jesus in the description of the tabernacle. The gate(enter into his presence with worship and praise), Jesus is the gate, the 4 colors on the gate represents the 4 positions Jesus holds, as outlined in the four gospels which also is represented in the four faces on the cherub/living creature(which purpose is to protect God's glory) and the nature of each creature. Scarlet=Luke=Saviour=face of man, Purple=Mathew=King=lion(authority), White=Mark=Perfect Man=ox(servernt/sacrifice), Blue=John=Son of God=eagle(divinity). The the outercourt is where we cleanse ourselves to come into his presence the alter of sacrifice we cleanse ourselves with his blood he is the lamb, the laver he is the purifying word that washes us, blood and water poured out from his side when he was peirced by the spear. The outercourt represents one of 3 realms of prayer as outlined by Jesus. Knock(holy of holies), seek(holy place), ask(outercourt). Outercourt is the asking because that is where you make your requests known to the Lord. The Holy place, table of shobread Jesus is the bread, the life. The lamp stand, Jesus is the light, the way. The incense, Jesus is our High Priest in constant interscession for us our prayers go through him. Then the Holy of Holies the ark of the covenant, he is our covenant, the mercy seat stained with blood. All when conected make up the outline of the cross if looking from above. Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
The list goes on and on. I would argue there is immense continuity beyond description in the bible which attests to it being divinely inspired.
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I just brought it up a second time about Samson being deceived. Yet you say again about him being deceived multiple times. Buddy he was deceived all along... That's what I've been saying once someones got you they've got you and anyone can be deceived.
I am almost sick to my stomach. You say you even preached for 10 years? Yet you question the use of the bible to validate the bible when it's validity has been proven time and again and is a historical document just like any other and can be used as such. In fact it has been found the documentation of historical events throughout the bible like during the old testament and neighboring kingdoms and their kings was recorded with 100% accuracy and was found even more accurate than all over secular sources.
"When compared against secular accounts of history, the Bible always demonstrates amazing superiority. The noted biblical scholar R.D. Wilson, who was fluent in 45 ancient languages and dialects, meticulously analyzed 29 kings from 10 different nations, each of which had corroborating archeological artifacts. Each king was mentioned in the Bible as well as documented by secular historians, thus offering a means of comparison. Wilson showed that the names as recorded in the Bible matched the artifacts perfectly, down to the last jot and tittle! The Bible was also completely accurate in its chronological order of the kings. On the other hand, Wilson showed that the secular accounts were often inaccurate and unreliable. Famous historians such as the Librarian of Alexandria, Ptolemy, and Herodotus failed to document the names correctly, almost always misspelling their names. In many cases the names were barely recognizable when compared to its respective artifact or monument, and sometimes required other evidence to extrapolate the reference2."
The list of such benefits and reliability of the bible go on and on.
Yes so there is no reason the bible can't be used to give proof of Jesus's divinity. You talk about dating of Sumarian text over and over. Well here is an example of where dating actually is important prophecy. Which I did bring up and you completely ignore now. The fact stands true Jesus did exist and fulfill these prophecies which speaks volumes. You can't say the same for these other religions. Also as you should know Jesus proves his divinity through freely offering a personal relationship to anyone. Which you very well must have known him if you were a Christian, went to seminary and preached for 10 years. Clearly you must have had a personal relationship with him and he called you to preach. Otherwise it is silly to do such a thing if God isn't in it.
We have evidence of God's personal relationship changing the lives of many in a instant. Remember the disciples who saw Jesus in the flesh, saw the dead raised, walked on water, the miracles. They all denied Jesus as he died on the cross. Christianity should have died on the cross. That is why I can tell YOU if you saw Jesus in the flesh, saw him raise the dead and so on and he even took you on the water and you both walked on it that still wouldn't be enough for you to give your life to him because it wasn't enough for the disciples. It was not till Jesus ascended and the Holy Spirit was given and his promise is to reveal Jesus to us and make him real to us. That is why suddenly all the disciples would give their lives for him so far as to die as martyrs. That is why hundreds of thousands of other Christians who never even saw Jesus or his miracles would rather die as martyrs many willingly instead of denying him. That can't be mass delusions. It is literally impossible. It is all because of the Holy Spirit. So you see you have exactly what you need to have Jesus proven to you without a doubt. I assume you never did know Jesus and have a relationship with him. You went to seminary thinking it would help you find him and pursued your work as a pastor and neglected all along the only person who could help you find him. The Holy Spirit. Being a Christian is nothing more than having a relationship with Jesus. If that's not there then a person isn't a Christian. Tithing, going to church, reading ones bible, or "praying" giving a list to God doesn't make someone a Christian.
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Actually if you had any idea how the text were copied you wouldn't say that. One example is they required at least one scholar to make the copy and one to watch over their shoulder to supervise the whole thing. The accuracy of the biblical text has been established with the dead sea scrolls and other means. Secondly your a tad ignorant of the biblical texts if you think two creation accounts in Genesis has anything to do with inaccuracies. But then again many Christians are of that topic too because it is not integral to salvation or really a Christian walk.
The bible most definitely speaks of the two creation accounts distinctly and gives details as to which is which when talking about either one. One was the Genesis 1:1 creation of earth and life on it. Between Gen1:1 and 1:2 was a huge time period talked about in other scriptures. Genesis 1:2 there is a translation error when it says the earth was formless and void. It should read "became" formless and void. That is when Lucifer was King and Priest over the earth and turned the third of angels under him and all the nations and cities on the earth which we only know now as demons against God. God destroyed the earth, flooded it, and sealed up the heavens, the sky. That is why demons are known as disembodied spirits that's how they lost their bodies. Then we arrive at Gen 1:2 a destroyed earth a frozen ball of ice, Gen 1:2 says the Spirit hovered over the face of the waters. The sky was sealed so there was no light it was frozen water. This most likely was one of the ice ages in earths history. When Lucifer ruled the earth is when I assume dinosaurs and so on were around or perhaps before or after. Anyways going on to the second creation account you can see "let" there be light a word of permission not creation, light was already created, I'll also note everything was translated to made, but in reality make, form, create, build and so on have different meanings. One means bring into existance, the other you are just making something with material already there. The hebrew used is not bring into existance for the second creation account of adam. It also says in the text for Adam to subdue the earth. What's there to subdue? Satan. The list goes on and on but that should give you an idea of where I am coming from and establish my point here. Also it makes it clear the earth is old, the whole young earth thing is ridiculous on so many "biblical" levels.
Anyways hope that helps if you want to hear a in depth study building a framework of the whole concept in the bible going into the hebrew and arabic and with extensive cross referencing in the bible I can try and find a resource for it. But of course I'm not gonna write a book in the comment section for someone to troll me.
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@denniswoycheshen You are behind on current science a decade or two Dennis. "Mutation, specialization, and adaption. " Isn't evolution, it does not give rise to speciation. It's variation aloud within the genetics adapting to changes in the organisms environment. There is and never has been a connection to bridge micro and macro evolution, and now that it's 2020 I think it's getting pretty safe to say there never will be.
Yes intelligent design is the current paradigm. As science advances we see where the evidence leads. It's currently heavily pointing in that direction.
Mankinds most proven knowledge the space time theorems have told us there must be a God. Borde and Vilenkin took Hawking and Penrose work on classic general relativity and expanded it as far as possible with 5 papers in an attempt to disprove the Big Bang and it's Christian implications and concluded "all reasonable cosmic models are subject to the relentless grip of the space-time theorems." They gave examples where you wouldn't need an absolute beginning to space and time but in such models you wouldn't have life. So there has to be a causal agent beyond space and time(God, but are they a personal God?) that is both intelligent and caring(fine tuning argument tells us the causal agent is).
We never invented general relativity we found it and described it. The coherent inherentness of the universe wasn't invented by the thoughts of man, what is, is.
Fossil record doesn't show evolution(speciation).
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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WanderingTaoist101 1 Kings 7:23-26
23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.
24 And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast.
25 It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward.
26 And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.
Tell me where the bible references Pi far less Pi is 3.
You want to tell me humans being made out of dust is silly? Have you ever heard of cremation? Last or do you think you are made out of something else? Please enlighten me.
Oh? Maybe lets make fun of how silly some of the ancient Hebrew songs are too while we are at it? What are you two?
You want to talk about something really moronic? Taoism with your ying yang. At least what I believe is logical.
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@jamesu8033 Not really. It's 2020 and evolution/speciation is still science myth. With the millions of fossils we've uncovered now we still haven't found speciation in the fossil record that says it all. Then on top of it we have the Cambrian explosion which completely destroys the whole notion of evolution the literature shows us. This isn't a secret among evolutionary biologists either. They just can't write it off so they don't address it and pretend it doesn't exists and their models still work.
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@jjphank I agree and I think it's a very scary and important reality because at what point...
Being a Christian is no more than a relationship with Jesus, salvation is a byproduct. Jesus is the source of everything. It's not even maintaining our faith, it's his faith. Jesus never said seek faith, he said seek me and I'll give you the faith. It's all him as the focus. Just like he first drew us to him.
The bible even says the origin of our love for him is from him, we cannot even love him before he has put that love in us. We do not have the capacity. I mean how can we as specks of dust relate to such an eternal God. He has to bridge that gap for us and then we take pleasure in that love. Just as the bible writes we wait upon the Lord and HE puts a new song in our hearts. We wait upon the lord and HE lifts us up. I think that's why the bible says prayerlessness is a sin because it is that communion after waiting on the Lord it is like breathing for us, for our spirit man which is saved. Our purpose in life, for the creation of man was communion with God. He wants to be with us. Not doing so is denying the very purpose of our existence.
We still have to apply the blood and be washed with the word daily before that to save our soul daily essentially. I was listening to an interesting teaching that was talking about the scripture essentially is telling us putting the word in us is in essence given God the tools to work in us. So it is all on our will to come to God, there is a struggle to come to the alter and apply the blood death to self, and read the word the washing water of the laver and then go to the holy place and holy of holies and enter into true prayer by waiting on the Lord. The waiting can be hard.
But at what point when one turns from that relationship does Jesus also turn away. It's scary to imagine. So why test God in such a way when he has already proven himself as true. I think the bible does give assurances for those who struggle that their salvation is clear but it is not to be tested. It's dangerous to say once saved always saved, I think it plants a destructive mindset from the start that can sabotage peoples Christian walk.
I also wrote to the other guy, the bible does indeed mandate we are to confess Jesus is our Lord and accept him to receive salvation. Why would it if it's not to make our will known? It is our will saying that, the will of Jesus can not be compelling that on the fallen man before salvation has even occurred. So I agree. I think Calvinism makes no sense, the concept is self destructive in that regard from what I can see. Either there is total depravity or not.
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@CleanArtSoulja I believe I just corrected you, it would be honest of you to acknowledge that. Also you say you take issue with my claims and assertions that doesn't hold true to modern science, yet I obviously just showed otherwise, how about you be specific. Also no, there are no other claims or theories by any other of your so called tribes that gets the conditions of the creation of the universe correct except Christianity with the Big Bang. Which let me remind you the big bang is a Christian concept which gets all the major conditions correct and conditions stated correct. Stop being disingenuous and ignoring science and it's obvious implications for Christianity. Christianity stands alone among all other faiths in this regard.
While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe began to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible.
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@Zeno362 Christianity is evidenced based. Faith is the product of truth, and truth is ultimately a person Jesus Christ who said I am the truth. Faith not from truth is blind faith, an aberration of the fundamental concept of faith which unfortunately has been popularized as the standard definition which is absurd and clearly not the type of faith presented in the bible and used to do science.
Paul wrote test everything and hold fast to that which is true (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Being a Christian isn't about blind faith. Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which essentially means a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. It is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples. All the disciples denied Jesus on the cross. All the miracles and evidence Jesus was God like walking on water raising the dead, hearing God from heaven speak and say this is my Son was not enough. So why would it be enough for you? It wouldn't. Christianity should have died on the cross with Jesus. But Pentecost happened. God the Holy Spirit came and his promise is to reveal Jesus and make him real to you. That is when all the disciples would rather give their lives for Jesus than deny him, hundreds of thousands would die as martyrs in the Colosseum than deny Jesus who was then made real to them more real than walking on water or raising the dead infront of them in person.
Just a reminder the apologetic case of the resurrection is based on the historical evidence and it uses the same method of reasoning mainly inference to the best explanation that Darwin uses in the Origin of Species.
The New Testament shows with the physician Luke telling that they knew and understood and had the same objections we do today that a miracle goes against the laws of nature and addressed it with the story of Zechariah that a God that created it all with those laws of nature can intervene into them. To assume miracles can't happen is to wrongly assume this universe is a closed system, science does not tell us that.
You are hindered by a philosophical presupposition that thinks, that is the way it must have happened. That is a big issue for a scientist, am I going to stick with what the science is saying or with my philosophical presupposition? Richard Lewontin a geneticist was very honest in stating; "The methods of science do not compel us to accept a materialistic explanation. What does? Our apriori conviction." Atheists aren't following where the evidence leads, because they are self limiting the extent of their own rationality. It's irrational in the strictest sense. Atheism and science do not mix.
If the mental is purely physical, then we have no reason to have any confidence in anything our brain produces. -Thomas Nagel Atheist
Having no belief in God undermines the very rational mind you require to do science and argue with.
So there is nothing in genuine science to stop the belief in God, there is everything in genuine science to support the belief in God and the belief in God is what encourages the very enterprise of science which is why it birthed modern science. Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver. There is only one ultimate type of truth that you or anyone can accept to not just believe a God exists but accept and give your life to him and know him, and that's from him giving that evidence personally as Jesus promises and does for all those that seek him.
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@Zeno362 From Professor Daniel B. Wallace who works specifically on NT manuscripts in the leading org that does NT manuscript work in the world.
We have roughly 5500 Greek manuscripts what the New Testament was written in.
We have roughly 10 000 Latin New Testament manuscripts.
We have roughly 5000-10 000 New Testament ancient manuscripts in other languages.
Quotations from early Church fathers on the New Testament over 1 million, some possibly before the New Testament was even completed. Extensive commentaries some 15 book volumes long, many on discussion of textual variants that popped up even. Even if we wiped out all the manuscripts we could rewrite the New Testament from these quotes several times over.
To put into perspective how much we have for the New Testament. The average classical writer the number of manuscripts are around 15 that's physically stacks up to around 4 feet. With all the manuscripts we have of the New Testament just the Greek and other languages not the quotations from the church fathers, that stacks up to 6600 feet tall which is roughly 2.5 burj khalifa the tallest building in the world stacked on top of each other. Keep in mind for historians of the time around Jesus, in contrast the manuscript material we got for them we never had anything but fragments or one manuscript for 700-1500 years for most of them. And even with those, scholars accept what is in them is pretty much what was said. So the evidence for the New Testament is remarkable.
For comparison to any standard classical writings, when it comes to the New Testament it is calculated we have on average around 1000 times more material evidence than we do for the classical author. And for the New Testament it comes around 1000 years earlier than the classical authors!
99.8% of all errors that have been found in the New Testament texts are of zero relevance. Case in point in Greek there are over 368 ways just to write "John loves Mary," it will all get translated to in English "John loves Mary." Other word orders take that to over 500, and a different word for love over 1200 ways to write it. These are the type of absurd errors in the thousands Bart Erman references. The point being if we can "John loves Mary" over 1000 times differently without substantially changing the meaning, the number of textual variants for the New Testament is meaningless. What counts is the nature of the variants, less than 1/5 of 1% of all variants fit the nature of being meaningful/viable legitimate in changing the nature of the text. Such profound issues(sarcasm) put in question such as whether fasting is or isn't stated as being required with prayer during an exorcism, or is the mark of the beast 666 or 616. Ehrman states in the appendix of his book "Misquoting Jesus," "Essential Christian beliefs are not affected by textual variants in the manuscript tradition of the New Testament."
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@Zeno362 It has become increasingly popular today for critics of the Bible to suggest that Jesus of Nazareth never existed—that He was just an invention by some deceitful men back in the first century. This claim is all over the place on the Internet. A popular atheistic account on Instagram posted a meme recently that said:
Jesus never existed. No independent historical account can prove His existence. Zero, zip, zilch, nada, nothing.
The post garnered hundreds of likes.
Well, of course, this claim is ridiculous. There is actually very good historical evidence that Jesus was a real person. In addition to the 27 documents in the New Testament that tell us about His life, more than 30 non-biblical sources mention Jesus within 150 years of His life.
I’ll quickly tell you about 3 of these sources.
A. Flavius Josephus
Josephus was a historian for the Roman empire in the first century AD. He mentions more than a dozen individuals talked about in the New Testament, including:
• John the Baptist
• Herod the Great
• Pontius Pilate
• Jesus
Here is a short excerpt from one of his writings:
At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. And his conduct was good and was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. And those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them after his crucifixion and that he was alive . . . ” –Flavius Josephus (Antiquities of the Jews, Book 18, Chapter 3:63–64)
Now, because there are some minor differences in the surviving manuscript copies of Josephus’ writings, there is some debate over the exact wording Josephus used to describe Jesus. But historians have no doubts that he mentioned Jesus as a historical figure.
B. Cornelius Tacitus
Tacitus lived from about AD 55–120. He was a Roman historian who lived through the reigns of over a half dozen Roman emperors. He has been called the “greatest historian” of ancient Rome. Tacitus mentions Christ in his work titled, Annals. He writes that:
Christus [a Latin term that means “Christ”] . . . suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus. –Cornelius Tacitus, Annals, 15.44 (Online source)
So, not only does Tacitus mention Jesus, he confirms (like Josephus did) that Jesus was crucified by Pontius Pilate during the reign of Tiberius (the Roman Emperor at the time of Jesus).
C. The Jewish Talmud
The Talmud is a compilation of Jewish teachings that were passed down from generation to generation amongst the Jews and then finally organized and compiled after the destruction of the Jewish temple in AD 70. Here is an excerpt that mentions Jesus:
On the eve of Passover Yeshu [a shortened form of Yeshua, Jesus’ name in the Hebrew language] was hanged. For forty days before the execution took place, a herald went forth and cried, “He is going forth to be stoned because he has practiced sorcery and enticed Israel to apostasy. Any one who can say anything in his favor, let him come forward and plead on his behalf.” But since nothing was brought forward in his favor he was hanged on the eve of the Passover! –The Babylonian Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a (Online source)
So, note that. Not only does the Talmud mention Jesus, it mentions His crucifixion and that the Jewish religious leaders desired to stone Jesus, just as John 10:31 tells us. And notice that it even says Jesus was put to death at the time of the Passover, the very feast John 18:28 tells us was going on at the time of the crucifixion.
Non-biblical sources like these not only verify Jesus existed, they corroborate more than a hundred details recorded about Jesus in the New Testament.
If you would like to investigate these details, I encourage you to read Gary Habermas’s excellent book, The Historical Jesus: Ancient Evidence for the Life of Christ. Also helpful are F.F. Bruce’s, Jesus and Christian Origins Outside the New Testament and Norman Geisler’s Baker Encyclopedia of Apologetics (1999), 381–385.
So, it’s this kind of historical evidence that has led historians to conclude that Jesus really existed. The evidence for His life is so compelling that even Bart Ehrman, one of the most vocal critics of the Bible alive today, acknowledges that Jesus was a real person. In an article in the Huffington Post, he said:
With respect to Jesus, we have numerous, independent accounts of his life . . . sources that originated in Jesus’ native tongue . . . and that can be dated to within just a year or two of his life . . . Historical sources like that are pretty astounding for an ancient figure of any kind . . . The claim that Jesus was simply made up falters on every ground. –Bart Ehrman, “Did Jesus Exist?”, huffingtonpost.com, March 20, 2012 (Online source)
Yes, it does falter. So, if the evidence for Jesus is this compelling, why are many atheists still saying things like “Jesus is a myth!”? I’d have to conclude that many of them have never done any serious investigation into the issue. And those who have done a bit of reading are obviously getting their information from unreliable sources.
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@Zeno362 There is no naturalistic origin to life the state of evolutionary theory in the academic field is dead. It doesn't work, it has countless foundational critical issues, and biologists have been trying to wholly replace the model for awhile now. There was a big conference on it back in 2016. I'll help you out further.
Renowned biologist Denis Noble has given the explicit statement and given evidence for it "neo Darwinism doesn't need to be supplemented or extended, it needs to be replaced because it's completely inadequate. Why because scientists are beginning to see levels of complexity way beyond just the complexity of DNA, like epigenetic complexity."
Genomes don't improve over time they degrade. Virus data like John Sanford on H1N1 the spanish flu shows this. Human genome from encode has shown every generation humans have 100 mutations. The only nobel laureate in the field Hermann J. Muller said just 1 mutation per generation in humans means there is no evolution explanation humanity is progressing in the opposite direction 1 per generation is deadly, yet we find out the number is 100. The human genome is degrading not progressing to a better state. This shouldn't be a shock, as information theory states information degrades, and information is the basis of life.
All the beneficial mutations in biology like the famous citrate metabolism in ecoli or antibiotic resistance are not from gain or improvement in genetic information, but reductive evolution. A degrading or loss of information crippling a function in the organism that produces a beneficial effect while still being a loss of genetic function. As the famous Lenski experiment showed.
There is no evolutionary pressure to create building blocks of mechanisms that don't yet exist. Evolution does not have foresight.
Mindless matter and mutation can't manifest code. That's rationality from irrationality. That's a reality breaking concept. If you can get such a deus ex machina mechanism that does that it invalidates all human achievement and personhood because then the universe did it all. This is why the multiverse theory is so absurd. This is why all of naturalism is absurd because it's predicated on such a deus ex machina mechanism that does not exist. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Darwin's Origin never explains the origin of species -- and this is stated by David Berlinski no less.
How does chance determine when to stop at the "desired" outcome? The concept of evolution is nonsense.
It's not even falsifiable(all results explainable and not reproducible) so really shouldn't even be called a scientific theory. It fits the criteria for being defined as mythology ironically.
Could also point out y chromosome adam and mitochondrial eve data shows humans had two ancestors and did not evolve. Shocker the dating is roughly 6000-7500 years just like the biblical genealogy dating going back to Eden, and the dating is quite accurate in a general sense as it's just averaging mutations per generation then counting back to when they stop appearing. So modern humans are independent, not genetically descended from the other hominids that have been around the last 100-200 000 years.
The list goes on and on and on. We could go into the Cambrian explosion evidence of countless biological structures such as virtually every eye design and body plan allowed by physics showing up in a geological instant no evolution, we could show random number generator studies for probability of words/language manifesting, or a study on evolutionary probability of extinction of over 5000 mammal species related to size increases showing mammals can't evolutionary evolve over 3kg. Darwinian evolution is a mythology of magic(rationality from irrationality), it's pseudo science and also invokes time of the gaps and god of the gaps along with all the other issues no less. God is a requirement for life.
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@Rajul_Jamil Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity mentioned here too. Isaiah 48:12-16
It's called basic reading comprehension. Just like understanding when God said Let US make man in OUR IMAGE. Plural persons, singular image. Multiple as one, the triune nature of God. Only God has creation power thus trinity. Here since you'll always be too lazy to read the passage. Now you have no excuse. Lets count to three, the first and the last Jesus speaking(person 1), "AND" now the Lord God(Father person 2), "AND" his Spirit(Holy Spirit person 3). Lets count together 1+1=2 2+1=3 That is three persons of God, the truine God prophet Isaiah "HeBrEw" "TANAK" bible telling YOU God is a trinity and Jesus was bodily appearing on earth before his incarnate transformation. You have no excuse.
Isaiah 48:12-16
12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.
14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.
15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.
16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.
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@joeymartinez5515 dunno look for yourself
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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I find it fascinating how the purposed Messiah shows up to become the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law right when Israel could no long fulfill it on her own. Almost like God planned it.
Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity mentioned here too. Isaiah 48:12-16
Like Abraham and Isaac. Abraham represents the Father, Issac represents the Son, Issac carried the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill, Jesus carried the cross the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill of Calvary. As Abraham was about to kill Issac God said no I will provide the sacrifice and gave a ram. Jesus is called the lamb of God and was the Fathers sacrifice for all of our sin because the bible says the work of the cross was the Fathers idea, remember Jesus praying not my will but yours be done. The son obeyed the will of the father.
There is the story of Israel in the desert becoming diseased and God telling them to put a serpent on a wooden pole and to look at it and be healed. The wooden pole is the cross and the serpent represent sin destroyed on the cross.
The story of Ruth of Jew and Gentile coming together. Ruth was a Gentile who became part of the genetic linage of Jesus on his mothers side, the side promised to bring him into the world. Just like Jesus brought Jew and Gentile together with his work.
The story of Joseph representing Jesus being betrayed by his brothers representing the disciples who all denied Jesus on the cross and put him in a hole for 3 days like Jesus was dead for 3 days and then came out/resurrected.
There is the story of the prophet Hosea. One of the best representations of Jesus. Hosea means savior. God tells Hosea to marry Gomer a prostitute. They have a child named Jezrial which means planted by God. Gomer then sleeps around and has two children by other men Lo Ruhamah which means no mercy and Lo Ammi which means not my people. Gomer leaves Hosea and the children stay with him and Hosea calls them Ruhamah meaning he will have mercy, and Ammi my people. He was upset and told the children to tell Gomer to come home. God says to Hosea no she won't respond to that. The bible says sleeping around and people who become drunks takes away their affection. But God says I'm going to make her instead repulsive to her lovers, and suddenly no one wants to be with her. She now has no money and she then is put on a slave block. Hosea goes to the slave block and buys her back. He says to Gomer you are not going to call me master instead I'm to be your husband. The perfect picture of redemption of Jesus buying us back from our sins saying I don't want to be your master I want to be your lover. It is one of the most beautiful pictures given in the bible.
The bible outlines both prayer and the person of Jesus in the description of the tabernacle as Jesus is the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law The gate(enter into his presence with worship and praise), Jesus is the gate, the 4 colors on the gate represents the 4 positions Jesus holds, as outlined in the four gospels which also is represented in the four faces on the cherub/living creature(which purpose is to protect God's glory) and the nature of each face on the creature. Scarlet=Luke=Savior=face of man, Purple=Mathew=King=face of lion(authority), White=Mark=Perfect Man=face of ox(servant/sacrifice), Blue=John=Son of God=face of eagle(divinity). The the outercourt is where we cleanse ourselves to come into his presence the alter of sacrifice we cleanse ourselves with his blood he is the lamb, the laver he is the purifying word that washes us, represented also when blood and water poured out from his side when he was pierced by the spear. The outercourt represents one of 3 realms of prayer as outlined by Jesus. Knock(holy of holies), seek(holy place), ask(outercourt). Outercourt is the asking because that is where you make your requests known to the Lord. The Holy place, table of shobread Jesus is the bread, the life. The lamp stand, Jesus is the light, the way. The incense, Jesus is our High Priest in constant intersession for us our prayers go through him, incense represents prayer in the bible. Then the Holy of Holies the ark of the covenant, he is our covenant, the mercy seat stained with his blood. When the the priest once a year dipped his robe in blood when he went into the Holy of Holies so a stream of blood was behind him whereever he walked, he went to each piece of furniture which then made a line on the ground of blood and it made the shape of the cross because of the positioning of all the furniture in the cross shape if you looked from above and then you'd see then this large blood outline of the cross. Jesus of course died on the cross for our sins and shed his blood, so a blood cross is a perfect representation. Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah 22:23, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
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@ra5928 l
The New England Journal of Medicine, April 1, 2020 It is also clear that masks serve symbolic roles. Masks are not only tools, they are also talismans that may help increase health care workers’ perceived sense of safety, well-being, and trust in their hospitals. Although such reactions may not be strictly logical, we are all subject to fear and anxiety, especially during times of crisis. One might argue that fear and anxiety are better countered with data and education than with a marginally beneficial mask, particularly in light of the worldwide mask shortage, but it is difficult to get clinicians to hear this message in the heat of the current crisis. Expanded masking protocols’ greatest contribution may be to reduce the transmission of anxiety, over and above whatever role they may play in reducing transmission of Covid-19.
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@MikeJones-mf2fw I don't want to drag this on but there really is significant evidence of mass direct creation. During the Cambrian explosion for example
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
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Spaceman Spiff I demand an apology dum dum. And a full admission of your ignorance.
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@Thisismyflightsongbaby Wrong. Christianity is evidenced based. Faith is the product of truth, and truth is ultimately a person Jesus Christ who said I am the truth. Faith not from truth is blind faith, an aberration of the fundamental concept of faith which unfortunately has been popularized as the standard definition which is absurd and clearly not the type of faith presented in the bible and used to do science.
Paul wrote test everything and hold fast to that which is true (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Being a Christian isn't about blind faith. Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which essentially means a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. It is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples. All the disciples denied Jesus on the cross. All the miracles and evidence Jesus was God like walking on water raising the dead, hearing God from heaven speak and say this is my Son was not enough. So why would it be enough for you? It wouldn't. Christianity should have died on the cross with Jesus. But Pentecost happened. God the Holy Spirit came and his promise is to reveal Jesus and make him real to you. That is when all the disciples would rather give their lives for Jesus than deny him, hundreds of thousands would die as martyrs in the Colosseum than deny Jesus who was then made real to them more real than walking on water or raising the dead infront of them in person.
Just a reminder the apologetic case of the resurrection is based on the historical evidence and it uses the same method of reasoning mainly inference to the best explanation that Darwin uses in the Origin of Species.
The New Testament shows with the physician Luke telling that they knew and understood and had the same objections we do today that a miracle goes against the laws of nature and addressed it with the story of Zechariah that a God that created it all with those laws of nature can intervene into them. To assume miracles can't happen is to wrongly assume this universe is a closed system, science does not tell us that.
You are hindered by a philosophical presupposition that thinks, that is the way it must have happened. That is a big issue for a scientist, am I going to stick with what the science is saying or with my philosophical presupposition? Richard Lewontin a geneticist was very honest in stating; "The methods of science do not compel us to accept a materialistic explanation. What does? Our apriori conviction." Atheists aren't following where the evidence leads, because they are self limiting the extent of their own rationality. It's irrational in the strictest sense. Atheism and science do not mix.
If the mental is purely physical, then we have no reason to have any confidence in anything our brain produces. -Thomas Nagel Atheist
Having no belief in God undermines the very rational mind you require to do science and argue with.
So there is nothing in genuine science to stop the belief in God, there is everything in genuine science to support the belief in God and the belief in God is what encourages the very enterprise of science which is why it birthed modern science. Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver. There is only one ultimate type of truth that you or anyone can accept to not just believe a God exists but accept and give your life to him and know him, and that's from him giving that evidence personally as Jesus promises and does for all those that seek him.
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@falsemessiah751 Christianity is just being a follower of Jesus aka the "Christ" meaning Messiah. It's never changed once throughout history, it's always been as basic as it was from the start, a relationship with Jesus made possible by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost and after, who promises to reveal and make real Jesus to you.
What you are referencing is Christians , Christian history, and Christian culture. Jesus is the Christianity, he is the source of everything to the Christian. What a Christian is, is exactly the same as what they were 2000 years ago, a follower of Jesus. That is all it is. The thief beside Jesus on the cross was a Christian. You are trying to make more out of something that is extremely basic.
The only other fundamental aspect there is outside of that is the confession of Jesus as your Lord and savior at the start which is once, water baptism which is once, and communion. It is stated in the text and is the same now as it was then.
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@falsemessiah751 You are highly confused he taught the law was given for righteousness and it's impossible for man to follow perfectly. But he could being God which is why he upholds the law and righteousness is now through him of him. Christians are now under Christs law, which is to love they neighbor and God.
Jesus taught the triune nature of God.
Christianity did not introduce the trinity nor the need for God to come to save humanity from their sins. It was all in the old testament.
"Let US make man in OUR IMAGE." Plural persons, singular image. Multiple as one, a singular God as a fellowship of persons revealing the triune nature of God. Only God is speaking for only God has creation power.
Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity present as individuals here too. Isaiah 48:12-16
Jesus predates his incarnate transformation. An often overlooked verse that speaks to this is Jude 5 where it says Jesus saved the people out of Egypt and also destroyed those who did not believe. These events are least over 1200 years before Jesus was born
Jesus told the disciples to baptize to the triune nature of God. Jesus clearly acknowledging himself as God. The trinity was part of the the Church from the start. Matthew 28:19
John 8:58 Jesus saying he pre-existed his incarnate transformation and was God, the same God that appeared to Moses at the burning bush.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus claimed to be the Messiah AND God infront of the Sanhedrin and they sentenced him to death for it.
Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Confirmation of Jesus being God Old and New Testament, It is the same person speaking, Jesus.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Establishes Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega, is also the Lord, God Almighty.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Paul calls Jesus the Lord of glory(the same one who was crucified) meaning God as David explains.
1 Corinthians 2:8
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Psalm 24:8-10
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
Paul makes it clear Jesus is God.
Romans 9:5
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
When we say the Son of God all we are saying is God in the flesh.
Hebrews 1:8
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Jesus is the express image of God.
Hebrews 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Romans 8, Ephesians 1 the eternal covenant, last mentioned, first made. Where the trinity made a covenant with themselves before the creation of the universe for the redemption of man. That is why the text states "by myself" it was not made with man but the fellowship of the trinity with themselves so it could not be broken the redemption of man could not be stopped. A covenant is between more than one person. And the result of the eternal covenant? The power of the blood raised Jesus from the dead, thus can do the same for you! Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,
Lets not forget why Jesus focused his sermons not on himself. John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
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@ikman3410 You are confused, look at the ministry of Jesus and what he preached. He specifically stated why he did not preach of himself. John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
Jesus made it clear he was God as does the text we can examine it.
Christianity did not introduce the trinity nor the need for God to come to save humanity from their sins. It was all in the old testament.
Let US make man in OUR IMAGE. Plural persons, singular image. Multiple as one, a singular God as a fellowship of persons revealing the triune nature of God.
Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity present as individuals here too. Isaiah 48:12-16
Jesus predates his incarnate transformation. An often overlooked verse that speaks to this is Jude 5 where it says Jesus saved the people out of Egypt and also destroyed those who did not believe. These events are least over 1200 years before Jesus was born
Jesus told the disciples to baptize to the triune nature of God. Jesus clearly acknowledging himself as God. The trinity was part of the the Church from the start. Matthew 28:19
John 8:58 Jesus saying he pre-existed his incarnate transformation and was God, the same God that appeared to Moses at the burning bush.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Jesus claimed to be the Messiah AND God infront of the Sanhedrin and they sentenced him to death for it.
Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Confirmation of Jesus being God Old and New Testament, It is the same person speaking, Jesus.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Establishes Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega, is also the Lord, God Almighty.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Paul calls Jesus the Lord of glory(the same one who was crucified) meaning God as David explains.
1 Corinthians 2:8
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Psalm 24:8-10
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
Paul makes it clear Jesus is God.
Romans 9:5
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
When we say the Son of God all we are saying is God in the flesh.
Hebrews 1:8
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Jesus is the express image of God.
Hebrews 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Romans 8, Ephesians 1 the eternal covenant, last mentioned, first made. Where the trinity made a covenant with themselves before the creation of the universe for the redemption of man. That is why the text states "by myself" it was not made with man but the fellowship of the trinity with themselves so it could not be broken the redemption of man could not be stopped. A covenant is between more than one person. And the result of the eternal covenant? The power of the blood raised Jesus from the dead, thus can do the same for you! Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,
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@ From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
and so on and so on.
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Speciation(evolution) is still science myth in the year 2020. There has never been a bridge from micro to macro evolution. Common ancestors is speculation, it's not even theory given the science isn't there. Not only that but as science advances not only does it not close the gaps or point in the direction/support it, we are getting larger gaps and evidence that disproves the notion of darwinian evolution. It's actually amazing how the theory has made it all the way to 2020 with no evidence of macro evolution far less the logic behind it completely destroying it.
Here is just one example in modern science that in of itself basically completely shuts down the concept.
Fossil record doesn't show evolution(speciation).
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@tylerdurden4396 Sure, without God as the basis for reality, good evil and truth loses all meaning for it's all relative. Everyone has their own truth and idea of good and evil it becomes without meaning. The thing is truth is exclusive, it's not all inclusive, we don't have our own truth.
If naturalism is true then our cognitive faculties have been selected for survival value not for truth, as in it's ultimately irrelevant whether or not our beliefs are true to something produced under naturalistic process. What matters is only if they are beneficial in the struggle for survival. So if naturalism is true we can have no confidence in the reliability of our cognitive faculties. But if that's the case then we can have no confidence in the truth of naturalism, because the belief in naturalism was formed from those very cognitive faculties which are shown to be unreliable if naturalism is true. So there is a kind of vicious circularity a kind of self referential incoherence that is inescapable in a naturalistic worldview because naturalism will undermined the reliability of the very cognitive faculties that were used to establish naturalism. Therefore naturalism cannot be rationally affirmed.
Atheism undermines rationality. To think naturalism is the only answer and thus ones brain/mind is the end product of unguided processes is an absurdity far less to trust that to do science with! Ridiculous! No one would ever trust a computer made in such a way. Atheism can't survive the advancement of science. Atheism is dead. Atheism removes science, it doesn't give any basis for thinking human rationality will reveal anything. Whereas believing how the fathers of modern science thought that this universe is the product of an intelligent God, that gives you justification for doing science.
You are hindered by a philosophical presupposition that thinks that is the way it must have happened. That is a big issue for a scientist, am I going to stick with what the science is saying or with my philosophical presupposition? Richard Lewontin a geneticist was very honest in stating; "The methods of science do not compel us to accept a materialistic explanation. What does? Our apriori conviction." Atheists aren't following where the evidence leads, because they are self limiting the extent of their own rationality. It's irrational in the strictest sense. Atheism and science do not mix.
If the mental is purely physical, then we have no reason to have any confidence in anything our brain produces. -Thomas Nagel Atheist
Atheism blinds the mind so you can't see logic. Many times those who argue for it can't see they are failing to the very thing they accuse of Theists, blind faith like Richard Dawkins.
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@sarnxero2628 Vague much? Here is one.
Fossil record doesn't show evolution.
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@brianbridges8124 Christianity is evidenced based. Faith is the product of truth, and truth is ultimately a person Jesus Christ who said I am the truth. Faith not from truth is blind faith, an aberration of the fundamental concept of faith which unfortunately has been popularized as the standard definition which is absurd and clearly not the type of faith presented in the bible and used to do science.
Paul wrote test everything and hold fast to that which is true (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Being a Christian isn't about blind faith. Hebrews 11:1 Paul wrote the Greek "hupostasis." It means an internal unseen tangible substance of assurance, of the person of Jesus he gives as an "elegchos" which essentially means a clinical evidence like given in a court of law. It is the most important evidence one can have to give ones life to Jesus. Ultimately nothing else is or can be sufficient. Jesus, God could appear infront of you right now and do miracles and that wouldn't be enough for you or anyone to give their lives truly to him. It wasn't enough for the disciples. All the disciples denied Jesus on the cross. All the miracles and evidence Jesus was God like walking on water raising the dead, hearing God from heaven speak and say this is my Son was not enough. So why would it be enough for you? It wouldn't. Christianity should have died on the cross with Jesus. But Pentecost happened. God the Holy Spirit came and his promise is to reveal Jesus and make him real to you. That is when all the disciples would rather give their lives for Jesus than deny him, hundreds of thousands would die as martyrs in the Colosseum than deny Jesus who was then made real to them more real than walking on water or raising the dead infront of them in person.
Just a reminder the apologetic case of the resurrection is based on the historical evidence and it uses the same method of reasoning mainly inference to the best explanation that Darwin uses in the Origin of Species.
The New Testament shows with the physician Luke telling that they knew and understood and had the same objections we do today that a miracle goes against the laws of nature and addressed it with the story of Zechariah that a God that created it all with those laws of nature can intervene into them. To assume miracles can't happen is to wrongly assume this universe is a closed system, science does not tell us that.
You are hindered by a philosophical presupposition that thinks, that is the way it must have happened. That is a big issue for a scientist, am I going to stick with what the science is saying or with my philosophical presupposition? Richard Lewontin a geneticist was very honest in stating; "The methods of science do not compel us to accept a materialistic explanation. What does? Our apriori conviction." Atheists aren't following where the evidence leads, because they are self limiting the extent of their own rationality. It's irrational in the strictest sense. Atheism and science do not mix.
If the mental is purely physical, then we have no reason to have any confidence in anything our brain produces. -Thomas Nagel Atheist
Having no belief in God undermines the very rational mind you require to do science and argue with.
So there is nothing in genuine science to stop the belief in God, there is everything in genuine science to support the belief in God and the belief in God is what encourages the very enterprise of science which is why it birthed modern science. Men became scientific because they expected law in nature, and they expected law in nature because they believed in a law giver. There is only one ultimate type of truth that you or anyone can accept to not just believe a God exists but accept and give your life to him and know him, and that's from him giving that evidence personally as Jesus promises and does for all those that seek him.
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@nickboots2 The biblical text is more accuracy than secular historical documents. It's the most consistent book known to man. You haven't the vaguest clue what you are talking about. You just made an absolute fool of yourself saying that.
The Bible is a library of sixty-six different books, long and short, written in different languages (Hebrew, Caldean and Greek), written in various countries (Judea, Babylon, 66 Books of the BibleAsia Minor, Greece and Italy), written in various times during a period stretching over about fifteen hundred years and with an intermission of about 400 years, written by about forty different authors, people with Egyptian culture, people with Jewish culture, people with Greek and Roman culture, people with no culture.
Written by all sorts and conditions of men (priests, prophets, princes, peasants, warriors, statesmen, herdsmen, poets, publicans, physicians, fishermen, historians, lawyers, chroniclers, philosophers, orators, autocrats, exiles, rich, poor, evangelists, apostles), written to Jew and to Gentile, written to Greek and barbarian, to bond and to free, to men and to women, to young and to old, to individuals, congregations, the whole world. Written in the rush of the city and in the hush of the country; written in palace and in prison, written in prosperity and in adversity, written in the height of national glory on Mount Zion and in the depth of national shame beside quiet waters. These books contain prose, poetry, prophecy, history, type, antitype, sign, symbol, miracle, parable, biography, philosophy, description, travel, exploration, legislation, invitation, exhortation, denunciation, argumentation, commendation, indignation, prayers, blessings, curses, oration, consolation, fierce invective, impassioned appeal, and coolest and calmest logic, letters, hymns, pastorals, romance, tragedy and jubilee, sobbing sighs and shouts of joy, sermons, lyrics, proverbs, epigrams and axioms.
Thinking on these facts, we must needs expect chaos as the outcome. It cannot be but that parts of this variegated library contradict other parts. But do we find it so? By no means! On the contrary and wonderful to relate, we find a marvelous unity of design and harmony in statements.
Have you ever realized the Bible had so much unity? Fifteen hundred years, forty different authors, three different languages, five or six different countries. And yet with all of these variations, there’s still just one theme and it all harmonizes together. If you were a god and you’d created some people, and you wanted to communicate to them through a written word, wouldn’t you make sure that your Bible had characteristics like that? And someone might say, well, there’s really nothing all that hard about that, I mean, other books have been written like that. Well let’s see if that is really true.
Why don’t we go down to some seminary, some theological seminary, but instead of getting people with different languages and from different countries and different backgrounds and over hundreds of years, why don’t we just get forty students who are all going there at the same time from the same country who have the same teachers and just ask them to do us a favor? Without conferring with each other, why don’t we ask them to write about a fifty page paper each, on the subject of God (His existence, His nature, His purposes), and man (where he came from, what he’s here for, where he’s going), and things about spiritual ideas. And then let’s collect all 2000 pages which would be about the length of a Bible, I suppose, and put them all together and see if they have the same kind of harmony that the Bible does.
You say, well they might. Well, I’ll tell you what, why don’t you just go down to the library and find any 40 books off the shelf in the religious section and see if they all are in harmony with each other. You see it hasn’t been done. The Bible is totally unique.
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@Rajul_Jamil You seem highly confused. Jesus is the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law. It was all presented in the old testament.
Like Abraham and Isaac. Abraham represents the Father, Issac represents the Son, Issac carried the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill, Jesus carried the cross the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill of Calvary. As Abraham was about to kill Issac God said no I will provide the sacrifice and gave a ram. Jesus is called the lamb of God and was the Fathers sacrifice for all of our sin because the bible says the work of the cross was the Fathers idea, remember Jesus praying not my will but yours be done. The son obeyed the will of the father.
There is the story of Israel in the desert becoming diseased and God telling them to put a serpent on a wooden pole and to look at it and be healed. The wooden pole is the cross and the serpent represent sin destroyed on the cross.
The story of Ruth of Jew and Gentile coming together. Ruth was a Gentile who became part of the genetic linage of Jesus on his mothers side, the side promised to bring him into the world. Just like Jesus brought Jew and Gentile together with his work.
The story of Joseph representing Jesus being betrayed by his brothers representing the disciples who all denied Jesus on the cross and put him in a hole for 3 days like Jesus was dead for 3 days and then came out/resurrected.
There is the story of the prophet Hosea. One of the best representations of Jesus. Hosea means savior. God tells Hosea to marry Gomer a prostitute. They have a child named Jezrial which means planted by God. Gomer then sleeps around and has two children by other men Lo Ruhamah which means no mercy and Lo Ammi which means not my people. Gomer leaves Hosea and the children stay with him and Hosea calls them Ruhamah meaning he will have mercy, and Ammi my people. He was upset and told the children to tell Gomer to come home. God says to Hosea no she won't respond to that. The bible says sleeping around and people who become drunks takes away their affection. But God says I'm going to make her instead repulsive to her lovers, and suddenly no one wants to be with her. She now has no money and she then is put on a slave block. Hosea goes to the slave block and buys her back. He says to Gomer you are not going to call me master instead I'm to be your husband. The perfect picture of redemption of Jesus buying us back from our sins saying I don't want to be your master I want to be your lover. It is one of the most beautiful pictures given in the bible.
The bible outlines both prayer and the person of Jesus in the description of the tabernacle as Jesus is the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law The gate(enter into his presence with worship and praise), Jesus is the gate, the 4 colors on the gate represents the 4 positions Jesus holds, as outlined in the four gospels which also is represented in the four faces on the cherub/living creature(which purpose is to protect God's glory) and the nature of each face on the creature. Scarlet=Luke=Savior=face of man, Purple=Mathew=King=face of lion(authority), White=Mark=Perfect Man=face of ox(servant/sacrifice), Blue=John=Son of God=face of eagle(divinity). The the outercourt is where we cleanse ourselves to come into his presence the alter of sacrifice we cleanse ourselves with his blood he is the lamb, the laver he is the purifying word that washes us, represented also when blood and water poured out from his side when he was pierced by the spear. The outercourt represents one of 3 realms of prayer as outlined by Jesus. Knock(holy of holies), seek(holy place), ask(outercourt). Outercourt is the asking because that is where you make your requests known to the Lord. The Holy place, table of shobread Jesus is the bread, the life. The lamp stand, Jesus is the light, the way. The incense, Jesus is our High Priest in constant intersession for us our prayers go through him, incense represents prayer in the bible. Then the Holy of Holies the ark of the covenant, he is our covenant, the mercy seat stained with his blood. When the the priest once a year dipped his robe in blood when he went into the Holy of Holies so a stream of blood was behind him whereever he walked, he went to each piece of furniture which then made a line on the ground of blood and it made the shape of the cross because of the positioning of all the furniture in the cross shape if you looked from above and then you'd see then this large blood outline of the cross. Jesus of course died on the cross for our sins and shed his blood, so a blood cross is a perfect representation. Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah 22:23, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
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@Rajul_Jamil Christianity did not introduce the trinity nor the need for God to come to save humanity from their sins. It was all in the old testament.
Let US make man in OUR IMAGE. Plural persons, singular image. Multiple as one, the triune nature of God.
Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity mentioned here too. Isaiah 48:12-16
Jesus saying he predates his incarnite transformation. An often overlooked verse that speaks to this is Jude 5 where it says Jesus saved the people out of Egypt and also destroyed those who did not believe. These events are least over 1200 years before Jesus was born
Jesus told the disciples to baptize to the triune nature of God. Jesus clearly acknowledging himself as God. The trinity was part of the the Church from the start. Matthew 28:19
John 8:58 Jesus saying he pre-existed his incarnate transformation and was God, the same God that appeared to Moses at the burning bush.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Confirmation of Jesus being God Old and New Testament, It is the same person speaking, Jesus.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Establishes Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega, is also the Lord, God Almighty.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Paul calls Jesus the Lord of glory(the same one who was crucified) meaning God as David explains.
1 Corinthians 2:8
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Psalm 24:8-10
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
Paul makes it clear Jesus is God.
Romans 9:5
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
When we say the Son of God all we are saying is God in the flesh.
Hebrews 1:8
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Jesus is the express image of God.
Hebrews 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Romans 8, Ephesians 1 the eternal covenant, last mentioned, first made. Where the trinity made a covenant with themselves before the creation of the universe for the redemption of man. That is why the text states "by myself" it was not made with man but God so it could not be broken the redemption of man could not be stopped. A covenant is between more than one person.
Positions of God are creator, preserver, forgiver of sins, raise the dead, transform bodies, judge, and give life eternal. Jesus is all of these things
For God to be God he must be all powerful, all present, all knowing, eternal, unchanging. Jesus is all those things.
Ephesians 1:20-23 Jesus all power.
Matthew 18:20, 28:20, John 14:20, Ephesians 1:22-23, John 8:58 Jesus is all present
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@rizdekd3912 That is kinda going off on another tangent now. Sin ultimately requires a moral standard which would be from said creator and requires a mind a will developed enough to grasp it which we don't have at the origin of life as life showed up more and more complex only as the conditions on earth allowed it. I would say that is evidence in itself of top down creation in some regard as there appears to be a foresight in the appearance of the progression of life. Just as it was for the appearance of first life.
If you want to talk about a Christian biblical perspective, the bible does state the universe exists within and is sustained by God. That the universe is governed by a law of decay. That sin is ultimately separation from God which is from disobeying him. That man was created to exist in tandem with God, that is why separation from God, is stated as a death, humans are like the living dead they are fish out of water. God is called the Word, the truth truth itself, God created by the transfer of information we are a word based universe if you will an argument could be made. And to tie that in all life is based on this immaterial concept of information stored in DNA. So separation from the Word, God is allowing decay to happen. We do see decay in genomes of species not evolution to a higher state of information like with the famous ecoli citrate experiment and with the spanish flu, and so on. The only evolution we do see is reduction evolution which is a benefit from a decay or removal information in the genome. That is how the ecoli could partially metabolize citrate, that is largely how bacteria gain antibiotic resistance they aren't actually adapting they are losing a function that allowed the drug to be uptaken into the cell as an example. So that is interesting. So I would say there is a case to be made but I or perhaps anyone in general doesn't have right now or will never have the specifics to tie it all together in an exhaustive way. There is appears to be relation to the narrative in many ways though. The bible also states sin was around before man was creation because of the fall of Lucifer and the preAdamic race he turned against God and God destroyed which are only mentioned as demons and why they are stated as earth bound disembodied spirits that seek a body, they aren't stated to be fallen angels in the text which many confuse.
This is all really going off on different tangents though and you brought up sin so may as well mention the text states said God does know everything and created the plan for redemption of man before the creation of the universe and one purpose of this universe is the ultimate destruction of sin. So that being said one could argue said God never did setup perfection of biology and naturalistic systems to this end. Another argument would be no system like specifically biology can be perfect anyways so God was actively sustaining it perhaps in perfection for man at least at one point. There are lots of ways one could approach the conversation. But as science has progressed we have gotten more answers like with the discovery of DNA, information theory and the decay of information like in DNA and so on that does tie in so I feel there are more answers to come. We do have mitochondial eve and y chromosome adam data which is interesting too. Perhaps there is more to be said as how many of these things could be tied into a top down argument. I haven't thought about it frankly.
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@HistoryandReviews They were all martyrs we have historical accounts beyond the bible. Shocker right...
They did see Jesus as God.
Christianity did not introduce the trinity nor the need for God to come to save humanity from their sins. It was all in the old testament.
"Let US make man in OUR IMAGE." Plural persons, singular image. Multiple as one, a singular God as a fellowship of persons revealing the triune nature of God. Only God is speaking for only God has creation power.
Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity present as individuals here too. Isaiah 48:12-16
Jesus predates his incarnate transformation. An often overlooked verse that speaks to this is Jude 5 where it says Jesus saved the people out of Egypt and also destroyed those who did not believe. These events are least over 1200 years before Jesus was born
Jesus told the disciples to baptize to the triune nature of God. Jesus clearly acknowledging himself as God. The trinity was part of the the Church from the start. Matthew 28:19
John 8:58 Jesus saying he pre-existed his incarnate transformation and was God, the same God that appeared to Moses at the burning bush.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
Jesus claimed to be the Messiah AND God infront of the Sanhedrin and they sentenced him to death for it.
Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Confirmation of Jesus being God Old and New Testament, It is the same person speaking, Jesus.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Establishes Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega, is also the Lord, God Almighty.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Paul calls Jesus the Lord of glory(the same one who was crucified) meaning God as David explains.
1 Corinthians 2:8
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Psalm 24:8-10
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
Paul makes it clear Jesus is God.
Romans 9:5
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
When we say the Son of God all we are saying is God in the flesh.
Hebrews 1:8
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Jesus is the express image of God.
Hebrews 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Romans 8, Ephesians 1 the eternal covenant, last mentioned, first made. Where the trinity made a covenant with themselves before the creation of the universe for the redemption of man. That is why the text states "by myself" it was not made with man but the fellowship of the trinity with themselves so it could not be broken the redemption of man could not be stopped. A covenant is between more than one person. And the result of the eternal covenant? The power of the blood raised Jesus from the dead, thus can do the same for you! Hebrews 13:20 Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,
Lets not forget why Jesus focused his sermons not on himself. John 5:31
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
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@Lewiigi
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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robertstephenson6806 You sure about that?
Christianity did not introduce the trinity nor the need for God to come to save humanity from their sins. It was all in the old testament.
Let US make man in OUR IMAGE. Plural persons, singular image. Multiple as one, the triune nature of God.
Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity mentioned here too. Isaiah 48:12-16
Jesus saying he predates his incarnite transformation. An often overlooked verse that speaks to this is Jude 5 where it says Jesus saved the people out of Egypt and also destroyed those who did not believe. These events are least over 1200 years before Jesus was born
Jesus told the disciples to baptize to the triune nature of God. Jesus clearly acknowledging himself as God. The trinity was part of the the Church from the start. Matthew 28:19
John 8:58 Jesus saying he pre-existed his incarnate transformation and was God, the same God that appeared to Moses at the burning bush.
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Confirmation of Jesus being God Old and New Testament, It is the same person speaking, Jesus.
Rev 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Establishes Jesus who is the Alpha and Omega, is also the Lord, God Almighty.
Revelation 22:12-13
12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Revelation 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Paul calls Jesus the Lord of glory(the same one who was crucified) meaning God as David explains.
1 Corinthians 2:8
8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
Psalm 24:8-10
8 Who is this King of glory? The Lord strong and mighty, the Lord mighty in battle
9 Lift up your heads, O ye gates; even lift them up, ye everlasting doors; and the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory? The Lord of hosts, he is the King of glory. Selah.
Paul makes it clear Jesus is God.
Romans 9:5
5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.
When we say the Son of God all we are saying is God in the flesh.
Hebrews 1:8
8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Jesus is the express image of God.
Hebrews 1:3
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
Romans 8, Ephesians 1 the eternal covenant, last mentioned, first made. Where the trinity made a covenant with themselves before the creation of the universe for the redemption of man. That is why the text states "by myself" it was not made with man but God so it could not be broken the redemption of man could not be stopped. A covenant is between more than one person.
Positions of God are creator, preserver, forgiver of sins, raise the dead, transform bodies, judge, and give life eternal. Jesus is all of these things
For God to be God he must be all powerful, all present, all knowing, eternal, unchanging. Jesus is all those things.
Ephesians 1:20-23 Jesus all power.
Matthew 18:20, 28:20, John 14:20, Ephesians 1:22-23, John 8:58 Jesus is all present
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@Praise___YaH Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1King James Version (KJV)
13 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Jesus ressurected by the power of the blood.
Hebrews 13:20 (KJV)
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
For the blood of animals dies and dries up. The life of the living water is eternal and the sacrifice eternally active, it does not die. So it must be speaking of God.
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@joshuasauber7966 You sure about that?
Christianity did not introduce the trinity nor the need for God to come to save humanity from their sins. It was all in the old testament.
Let US make man in OUR IMAGE. Plural persons, singular image. Multiple as one, the triune nature of God.
Jesus is God and appeared in bodily form before becoming flesh. We clearly see the three persons of the trinity mentioned here too. Isaiah 48:12-16
Blood of Jesus in a fountain in heaven.
Zechariah 13:1 In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.
Zechariah 13:1 is clearly talking about a sacrifice provided by God. Jeremiah 2:13 For my people have committed two evils; they have forsaken me the fountain of living waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.
Hebrews 9:12 (KJV)
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Like Abraham and Isaac. Abraham represents the Father, Issac represents the Son, Issac carried the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill, Jesus carried the cross the wood to be sacrificed on up the hill of Calvary. As Abraham was about to kill Issac God said no I will provide the sacrifice and gave a ram. Jesus is called the lamb of God and was the Fathers sacrifice for all of our sin because the bible says the work of the cross was the Fathers idea, remember Jesus praying not my will but yours be done. The son obeyed the will of the father.
There is the story of Israel in the desert becoming diseased and God telling them to put a serpent on a wooden pole and to look at it and be healed. The wooden pole is the cross and the serpent represent sin destroyed on the cross.
The story of Ruth of Jew and Gentile coming together. Ruth was a Gentile who became part of the genetic linage of Jesus on his mothers side, the side promised to bring him into the world. Just like Jesus brought Jew and Gentile together with his work.
The story of Joseph representing Jesus being betrayed by his brothers representing the disciples who all denied Jesus on the cross and put him in a hole for 3 days like Jesus was dead for 3 days and then came out/resurrected.
There is the story of the prophet Hosea. One of the best representations of Jesus. Hosea means savior. God tells Hosea to marry Gomer a prostitute. They have a child named Jezrial which means planted by God. Gomer then sleeps around and has two children by other men Lo Ruhamah which means no mercy and Lo Ammi which means not my people. Gomer leaves Hosea and the children stay with him and Hosea calls them Ruhamah meaning he will have mercy, and Ammi my people. He was upset and told the children to tell Gomer to come home. God says to Hosea no she won't respond to that. The bible says sleeping around and people who become drunks takes away their affection. But God says I'm going to make her instead repulsive to her lovers, and suddenly no one wants to be with her. She now has no money and she then is put on a slave block. Hosea goes to the slave block and buys her back. He says to Gomer you are not going to call me master instead I'm to be your husband. The perfect picture of redemption of Jesus buying us back from our sins saying I don't want to be your master I want to be your lover. It is one of the most beautiful pictures given in the bible.
The bible outlines both prayer and the person of Jesus in the description of the tabernacle as Jesus is the bodily fulfillment of the ceremonial law The gate(enter into his presence with worship and praise), Jesus is the gate, the 4 colors on the gate represents the 4 positions Jesus holds, as outlined in the four gospels which also is represented in the four faces on the cherub/living creature(which purpose is to protect God's glory) and the nature of each face on the creature. Scarlet=Luke=Savior=face of man, Purple=Mathew=King=face of lion(authority), White=Mark=Perfect Man=face of ox(servant/sacrifice), Blue=John=Son of God=face of eagle(divinity). The the outercourt is where we cleanse ourselves to come into his presence the alter of sacrifice we cleanse ourselves with his blood he is the lamb, the laver he is the purifying word that washes us, represented also when blood and water poured out from his side when he was pierced by the spear. The outercourt represents one of 3 realms of prayer as outlined by Jesus. Knock(holy of holies), seek(holy place), ask(outercourt). Outercourt is the asking because that is where you make your requests known to the Lord. The Holy place, table of shobread Jesus is the bread, the life. The lamp stand, Jesus is the light, the way. The incense, Jesus is our High Priest in constant intersession for us our prayers go through him, incense represents prayer in the bible. Then the Holy of Holies the ark of the covenant, he is our covenant, the mercy seat stained with his blood. When the the priest once a year dipped his robe in blood when he went into the Holy of Holies so a stream of blood was behind him whereever he walked, he went to each piece of furniture which then made a line on the ground of blood and it made the shape of the cross because of the positioning of all the furniture in the cross shape if you looked from above and then you'd see then this large blood outline of the cross. Jesus of course died on the cross for our sins and shed his blood, so a blood cross is a perfect representation. Every pole holding up the wall of the tabernacle had silver and brass on it speaking of redemption and suffering, the pole of wood speaks of his physical flesh his body it is acacia wood meaning eternal flesh the rope connected to the pole is made out of goats hair that had 11 strands of it in the rope, 11 is the number of destruction and goats hair speaks of sin, he destroyed our sin. The nail in the ground connected to the rope is brass, God said it should only be half way in the ground and half way out. Jesus is called the nail in Isaiah 22:23, and half in half out means he died and rose again.
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@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent The biblical is actually the only one that got the start of the universe correct and wholly correct, it's where Lameitre got the big bang theory from. The only other that got close was an ancient babylonian religion that got something like 3 out of the 12 major factors correct. That is why I say no one else came close because no one did. There have been papers written on this. Keep in mind we are talking about a finite universe, we know it isn't cyclical or eternal since 2009 when the spacetime theorems were expanded. We are talking about a God that creates said universe and existed independent of it, not exists within and creates within it, big difference to take note.
This is specifically and ironically why we even have so much science on the big bang theory establishing it. Because so many Atheist astrophysicists were adamantly resistant to it because of it's Christian implications. It was heavily contested for like 50 years because of this.
The bible uniquely details the big bang theory.
While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe began to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible.
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@VicMikesvideodiary
Why evolution isn't true...
1. Offspring are new combinations of pre-existing genetic information. Therefore, there is no new genetic information coming into existence and therefore there is no evolution occurring.
2. Millions or billions of nucleotide bases working together in an intelligent manner in order to create an animal can only come from the mind of a genius.
Why don't we see evolution happening today?
That's because it is too slow.
Why don't we see evolution in the fossil record?
That's because it is too fast. lmao
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
FICTION: lightning bolts can strike a pool of prebiotic minutiae and manifest a quaternary 4 billion unit self-correcting self-replicating bioinformatic system complete with ribosomes, vesicles, enzymes, proteins, ATP.
You probably thought some scientist somewhere has a coherent theory about how biology began! 😂 too much funny
This attitude is not very different from that of the Nobel Prize winning physiologist George Wald, who wrote candidly in 1954: “When it comes to the origin of life, we have only two possibilities as to how life arose. One is spontaneous generation arising to evolution; the other is a supernatural creative act of God. There is no third possibility. … Spontaneous generation was scientifically disproved 100 years ago by Louis Pasteur, Spelazani, Reddy and others. That leads us scientifically to only one possible conclusion — that life arose as a supernatural creative act of God. … I will not accept that philosophically because I do not want to believe in God. Therefore, I choose to believe in that which I know is scientifically impossible, spontaneous generation arising to evolution.”
Atheism is for the scientifically illiterate.
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@Nisikaa_ Try again. Nebuchadnezzar did destroy the coastal cities. However, the people of the port of Tyre had obviously relocated to the island city, which they were able to successfully defend against the Babylonian invaders. Nebuchadnezzar had defeated and plundered the cities on the shore, as Ezekiel prophesied in 26:7–11, but he could not defeat the island city. This fact is reported in Ezekiel 29:18.
Further, verse 12 marks a shift from the prophecy concerning Nebuchadnezzar to prophetic declarations about other invaders. Verse 3 had already introduced the idea of many invaders in the statement, “I ... will cause many nations to come up against you.” As history records, many nations did come up against the island city of Tyre, but it was Alexander the Great, laying siege against the island city of Tyre in about 332 b.c., who finally conquered the city and left it in total ruins so that it was never rebuilt. When rightly understood, Ezekiel’s prophecy perfectly fits the historical record.
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@NaraukoFNH Nah I'm spot on. As I already pointed out mutation can't create only degrade. There is nothing that has ever shown otherwise. Look to random number generator studies as I said, all life is based on information an immaterial concept stored in DNA. Whether you like it or not it is code it is information stored in matter. It is a language. It is apples to apples it's exactly the same.
Infinite probability can't give infinite results. There is just no mechanism thus no result. If you are referring to singular mutations I already addressed that you can get small mutations that may be positive but not compounding ones far less anything coherent to create anything new. Think the LTEE and the singular mutation to have them metabolize citrate instead of malate, that is the extent of beneficial mutation the model can give. Death and extinction is the only result, far less at the mutation rate required for an evolutionary paradigm to life extremely fast death and extinction. Far less the lack of time in earths history for such a thing which I never even got into. You know naturalists needed a universe quadrillions of years old right... an extremely young 14billion year old universe doesn't fit a naturalistic model for life. We are pretty much the earliest advanced life can exist in the universe. All the processes for heavy metals, and carbon cycle and so on needed to happen first.
Pretending evolution can create is a belief in magic(rationality from irrationality, it's logic manifested from nothing) not a rational science based worldview. It's patently nonsensical and pseudo science. Also as I'm sure I already pointed out there is no theoretical evolutionary pressure to create building blocks of structures that don't exist. Think of the parts of a chair there is no pressure to create the legs of the chair the seat and so on to form a whole. That requires foresight a mind. A bottom up approach to life is just nonsensical. As science advances that has become extensively clear with cellular biology, you can't all these structures and molecules created independently, they are like a mesh all supporting each other. It can't work.
The fundamental problem with evolution as a scientific theory is that it is neither predictive nor falsifiable. Embryologist and geneticist C. H. Waddington says, “The theory of evolution is unfalsifiable… If an animal evolves one way, biologists have a perfectly good explanation; but if it evolves some other way, they have an equally good explanation… . The theory is not … a predictive theory as to what must happen.”
Information theorist Mark Ludwig elaborates, “Darwin’s hypothesis … has the character of unfalsifiable philosophy: it can explain anything and predicts practically nothing… . Darwinism … requires belief… . It has become the scientist’s paradigm, and he is rarely able to admit that it is fragile and charged with philosophy.”
Ironically evolution doesn't even fit the definition of a theory given it is not falsifiable, it does however fit the criteria of mythology.
Yet this is the argument of neo-Darwinianism—an argument no different from the “god of the gaps” argument. As evolutionary zoologist Pierre-P. Grassé says, “Chance becomes a sort of providence, which … is secretly worshipped.”
The litany of evolutionary biologists is: “We know evolution is true, even though we don’t know how it works and have never seen it happen.”
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@Paws4Thought669 lmao nothing evolved. Darwinian evolution is pseudo science. It's the flat earth of modern science.
It's 2023 and Darwinian evolution is still not a functional nor worked out theory. No primary evidence(no speciation in the fossil record, no transitional dna), no primary mechanism(no way to produce new communicative information, only mutate aka degrade pre-existing information), it's not even falsifiable(all results explainable and not reproducible) so really shouldn't even be called a scientific theory. It fits the criteria for being defined as mythology. It failed Darwins own predictions. It defies entropy and information theory, creating information in a higher state than it previously was rather than degrading. It doesn't work and never has. The whole thing is almost entirely speculation and conjecture across the board. It's frankly nonsense. It's pretending rationality can come from irrationality which is the definition of magic it's more egregious than any god of the gaps argument could ever be because at least a god means there was intelligence a mind behind it.
Evolution says mindless matter does the impossible, producing the product of a mind. Science has advanced to a point we know all life is based on an immaterial concept, information, stored in DNA. There is no physical process or natural phenomenon that can create such communicative information. Rationality does not come from irrationality, the burden of proof is on those who say it does the naturalist. Naturalism and by extension evolutionary theory is based on a mechanism that does not exist. And such a deus ex machina mechanism will never exist because if you can get rationality from irrationality at that point personhood ceases to exist, the universe did everything, all achievements of all mankind mean nothing. That's why the multiverse theory is so patently ridiculous.
There isn't even any evolutionary theory as to how new phyla could happen which should be a massive red flag to any biologist seriously holding onto the theory as predictive. Natural selection is real but it's not a mechanism despite evolution being predicated on labeling it as such. I always have to remind people natural selection is not evolution, if it was it would be called evolution.
The naturalistic model is a failure and hindrance to scientific progress also and should be thrown out at this point. We tried it and it doesn't work and never will and the gaps and issues have only grown exponentially while the intelligent design model has been the reverse and what birthed modern science after all anyways. Time to get back to our roots.
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@MacLeeland It's 2023 and Darwinian evolution is still not a functional nor worked out theory. No primary evidence(no speciation in the fossil record, no transitional dna), no primary mechanism(no way to produce new communicative information, only mutate aka degrade pre-existing information), it's not even falsifiable(all results explainable and not reproducible) so really shouldn't even be called a scientific theory. It fits the criteria for being defined as mythology. It failed Darwins own predictions. It defies entropy and information theory, creating information in a higher state than it previously was rather than degrading. It doesn't work and never has. The whole thing is almost entirely speculation and conjecture across the board. It's frankly nonsense. It's pretending rationality can come from irrationality which is the definition of magic it's more egregious than any god of the gaps argument could ever be because at least a god means there was intelligence a mind behind it.
Evolution says mindless matter does the impossible, producing the product of a mind. Science has advanced to a point we know all life is based on an immaterial concept, information, stored in DNA. There is no physical process or natural phenomenon that can create such communicative information. Rationality does not come from irrationality, the burden of proof is on those who say it does the naturalist. Naturalism and by extension evolutionary theory is based on a mechanism that does not exist. And such a deus ex machina mechanism will never exist because if you can get rationality from irrationality at that point personhood ceases to exist, the universe did everything, all achievements of all mankind mean nothing. That's why the multiverse theory is so patently ridiculous.
There isn't even any evolutionary theory as to how new phyla could happen which should be a massive red flag to any biologist seriously holding onto the theory as predictive. Natural selection is real but it's not a mechanism despite evolution being predicated on labeling it as such. I always have to remind people natural selection is not evolution, if it was it would be called evolution.
The naturalistic model is a failure and hindrance to scientific progress also and should be thrown out at this point. We tried it and it doesn't work and never will and the gaps and issues have only grown exponentially while the intelligent design model has been the reverse and what birthed modern science after all anyways. Time to get back to our roots.
Christianity is the only one that gets it all right. Only source in history to get the start of the universe correct, it's the origin of the big bang theory, it gives us a fine tuned universe, gives us all life based on information an immaterial concept with no naturalistic origin "God spoke" the transfer of information. Gives us humans an extremely unique organism with traits light years beyond what any naturalistic model can account for, and clearly points towards being created to interact with God. Atheism is a fairytale for those afraid of the light. It's not a logic based worldview it's the opposite, the most egregious scientifically backwards worldview possible.
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@firebyrd437 No there is not 700 inconsistencies in the bible. You are getting that from an atheist website that disingenuously makes up these inconsistencies. Or have the reading comprehension of a toddler. Clearly you have never bothered to search any of this inconsistencies being addressed.
Case in point your 144 000 nonsense.
Some take the “144,000 of all the tribes of Israel” to be a spiritual reference to Christians. However, this view is not supported by the facts. First, the word “tribes” is never used of anything but a literal ethnic group in Scripture.
Furthermore, if the number is taken seriously, surely it grossly under represents the number of believers there will be in heaven. True, the Bible nowhere reveals the exact number of believers there will be in heaven, but since there are billions of humans alive, and since there are easily multiplied millions of these who are saved, this is obviously not a reference to the total number of redeemed of all time.
In addition, even the physical dimensions of the New Jerusalem (Rev. 21:16–17), to say nothing of the rest of God’s vast universe, could contain a much larger number than 144,000 people.
Revelation 7:9 declares that there were, in addition to the 144,000, “a great multitude ... of all nations” who were also redeemed, which not only indicates that the saved are not limited to them but that the passage makes more sense if taken literally.
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@tomcooper6108 The authors of the Gospels were not anonymous, they are as their titles stated.
-the manuscript evidence challenges the anonymity thesis
-the internal evidence harmonizes with traditional authorship
-the external testimonial evidence strongly mitigates against the anonymity thesis
-the objections to the reliability of the external testimony are either weak or do not succeed
"Disregarding the Early Fathers simply raises the unanswered and indeed usually unasked question, How did they all come to be so wrong? In an age when martyrdom was an abiding risk, one would surely have expected the Fathers to have made very certian of the historical traditions of whose origins they had readier access than we do, and for belief in which they were prepared to offer their own lives, expecting their families and desendants to do the same. There will have been the strongest possible motivation to verify the facts and traditions of their faith from the earliest and most reliable witnesses - rather more so, indeed, than that which rests upon us from our detached viewpoint today... Hence, the arbitrary dismissal of the patristic witness raises considerable problems of human psychology and behavior, not to mention historical method, which if ignored leave the problem seriously open-ended." Martin Mosse, The Three Gospels pg 19-20
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@penguincommando4737 Here since you have never heard of the Cambrian explosion. Clearly you never read any of my other comments I posted on here either to engage me with such an absurd comment as "evolution is one of the most robost theories in the world."
The Cambrian explosion refers to the sudden, simultaneous appearance of most of the animal phyla (body plans) that occurred 542–543 million years ago. Ten of the many challenges the Cambrian explosion poses to evolutionary explanations for life are as follows:
While evolutionary scenarios, as opposed to worked-out theories, exist for hypothesizing how new genera, new orders, and new families of animal life might appear, there is no rational evolutionary scenario for explaining how a new animal phylum might appear.
From 50 to 80 percent of the animal phyla known to have existed at any time in Earth’s history appeared within no more than a few million years of one another, as the Cambrian geological era began.
Of the 182 animal skeletal designs theoretically permitted by the laws of physics, 146 appear in the Cambrian explosion fossils.
The Cambrian explosion marks the first appearance of animals with skeletons, bilateral symmetry, appendages, brains, eyes, and digestive tracts that include mouths and anuses.
Virtually every eye design that has ever existed appears simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
The moment oxygen levels in Earth’s atmosphere and oceans permit the existence of Cambrian animals, they suddenly appear.
The Cambrian explosion occurs simultaneously with the drastic change in sea chemistry known as the Great Unconformity.
The Cambrian explosion includes the most advanced of the animal phyla, chordates, including vertebrate chordates.
Both bottom-dwellers and open ocean swimmers appear simultaneously in the Cambrian explosion.
Optimization of the ecological relationships among the Cambrian animals, including predator-prey relationships, occurred without any measurable delay.
Jeffrey S. Levinton, “The Cambrian Explosion: How Do We Use the Evidence?,” BioScience 58 (October 2008): 855, doi:10.1641/B580912.
Gregory A. Wray, “Rates of Evolution in Developmental Processes,” American Zoologist 32 (February 1992): 131, doi:10.1093/icb/32.1.123.
Kevin J. Peterson, Michael R. Dietrich, and Mark A. McPeek, “MicroRNAs and Metazoan Macroevolution: Insights into Canalization, Complexity, and the Cambrian Explosion,” BioEssays 31 (July 2009): 737, doi:10.1002/bies.200900033.
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@horsepower523 Nope, no wonder you take such strong issue if you think that's what it says. Might want to read it yourself if you want to argue the topic.
Here is what the bible says about the big bang for example a Christian concept fyi. Fyi nothing comes close to Christianity, it stands alone. The only other faith that comes close to getting the major events of the big bang correct is an ancient babylonian religion that got 3/12 correct, Christianity gets 12/12.
While most people think of the big bang as an explosion in space, scientists use the term to describe the beginning of space, time, matter and energy. The Bible describes a few key characteristics of the universe that scientists now have the ability to measure. At least five biblical writers describe an expanding universe (e.g. Job 9:8; Psalm 104:2; Isaiah 40:22; 42:5; 44:24; 45:12; 48:13; 51:13; Jeremiah 10:12; 51:15; and Zechariah 12:1). Scripture also talks about the constancy of the laws of physics, most explicitly stated in Jeremiah 33:25. Genesis 1:1 and Hebrews 11:3 declare that the universe began to exist (thus required a Beginner). Romans 8:18-21 speaks of a pervasive law of decay. These four characteristics—a singular beginning, cosmic expansion, and constant laws of physics including the law of decay—define a big bang universe. The Bible leaves many details such as the expansion rate and the strengths of the laws for us to measure. This correspondence between the biblical description of the universe, authored thousands of years ago, and the best scientific understanding of the universe provides strong evidence for supernatural inspiration of the words of the Bible.
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