Comments by "Chuck Lee Zodiac" (@chuckleezodiac24) on "PowerfulJRE"
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@Bickle121 I know. I used to point out that Atlantis is a myth. Just a philosophical allegory written by Plato to discuss his views on Ideal Republics. But that has little effect on True Believers.
So now I try to point out how their various theories don't make sense.
Once Upon a Time: Solon went to Egypt in 600 BC and the Egyptians told him about a War between Atlantis & Athens in 9,600 BC! Thousands of years before either civilization existed! lol.
They somehow preserved this story for 9,000 years. Orally, I guess, until they invented hieroglyphics. How many walls did they need to record the 5,000 word story in picture writing? The Declaration of Independence has 1,300 words. But the Critias dialogue has an unnecessarily detailed, overly elaborate description of Atlantis in minute detail.
The Egyptians must have really cared about Atlantis to record everything about them. Funny how no other ancient civilization ever mentions them. Nothing in the annals of recorded history from the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, Minoans, Hebrews, Assyrians, Lydians, etc or anybody else.
Then Solon returns to Athens but keeps the Astonishing Tale of Atlantis as a family secret for 200 years. He tells one dude, Dropidus, who tells his son Critias the Elder, who waits until he's 90 years old to tell his 10-year old grandson Critias all about this Legendary Tale of Athenian Heroism & Bravery. Then Critias waits 40 years until he grows up and Socrates asks him a question, during a festival, about how ideal states deal with corrupt states.
Critias: "Hey, Plato. Get some papyrus and a quill. You're gonna dig it. Write this shit down. I'm about to school Socrates."
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@recoilrob324 I was just being facetious about Jimmy's theory that the Eye of the Sahara is Atlantis. Atlantis is a myth. Based on a philosophical allegory written by Plato.
Plato's dialogue, Critias, relates that Atlantis was destroyed as a result of Divine Retribution. It's army was destroyed and the Island of Atlantis was sunk by an earthquake. He didn't mention any survivors. Too bad the Egyptians didn't tell Solon about the "survivors."
I guess the Egyptians forgot that they were founded by Survivors of Atlantis! They recorded everything else about Atlantis but somehow forget to mention that tiny, little, insignificant detail when Solon went to visit in 600 BC. What a shame.
Atlantean Survivors: "Instead of recreating our Lost Global Advanced Utopian Ayahuasca Psychic Shamanistic Sea-Faring Civilization.... let's make a new civilization called Egypt with pharaohs and pyramids but let's keep it a secret that we came from Atlantis! Don't tell the simple brown people of the Nile where we came from! They don't need to know the origin of their overlords!"
Are you suggesting that a fully developed culture arose out of nowhere in Egypt? Have you heard of the Badari, Naqada, Amratian, Gerzeh, Semainian? Early Pre-Dynastic cultures in Egypt? Did the Atlanteans just show up and put them to work: using levitation for megalithic construction!
I guess you're not familiar with all the primitive monumental structures in Egypt: the mastabas, the Step Pyramid, Pyramid of Djoser. Those were crude compared to the Great Pyramid at Giza.
"Atlantis" was destroyed in 9,600 BC but somehow the incompetent butt-sniffing hunter-gatherer Egyptians decided to wait until 7,000 years later to build the Great Pyramid, even with the help of Atlanteans and their secret lost tech! Or was the Great Pyramid built in 9,600 BC?
Civilizations rise, peak, decline and fall. Every civilization has examples of monumental building which increase gradually in design, complexity or quality, followed by a period of heightened achievement... and then declining accomplishments due to the vicissitudes of empire.
Conditions change: domestic and foreign policies change. Workforce, economy, population demographics, cultural priorities, etc. The early pharaohs built pyramids and then later the focus shifted to expanding the kingdom through territorial expansion & warfare.
The Ancient Greeks, at the height of their glory during the Periclean Age, built the Parthenon and afterwards it was all downhill.
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@CastAirLead Well, that Nuclear Alien Comet contained radioactive elements which only decayed Atlantean artifacts!
We've got 1,000,000 year old Stone Age tools and 280,000 y.o. stone-tipped weapons. 40,000 y.o. petroglyphs and ivory carvings. 16,000 y.o. pottery. 15,000 y.o. cave paintings. But somehow every last trace, every teensy-weensy remnant, every single vestige of any physical evidence for the existence of a Global Sea-Faring Technologically Advanced Civilization has vanished!
Due to the comet strike, of course, and you know, all the ruins and debris were washed away by the floods, forever lost, submerged beneath the waves of time...
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@josephgold208 The Iliad and The Odyssey are epic poems. Do you believe everything mentioned in them or just the part about a city called Troy in Asia Minor?
The Iliad and its gods & heroes are part of a mythic tradition in Greek art and culture, depicted on pottery, etc. Troy at least was known to the Greeks and its legends passed down via oral tradition until consolidated / compiled by "Homer" in the 8th century BC.
Plato (360 BC) is the first and only source for Atlantis. No mention in the recorded history of any other ancient civilization. Sumerians, Minoans, Phoenicians, Babylonians, Hebrews? Nope. Zilch. Nada.
As far as Plato's allegories, do you believe a Sea God created the Island of Atlantis and that it was destroyed by Divine Retribution? Or do you just believe some of the things Plato wrote in his Timaeus and Critias dialogues?
Do you believe the Egyptians heard about a War between Athens & Atlantis in 9,600 BC and preserved it until Solon went to visit in 590 BC? Then Solon returned to Athens and kept the story quiet. You would think that all the great thinkers of Classical Greece would want to hear about this astonishing tale of Athenian Heroism....
Instead he only tells one dude, Dropidus, who makes it a family secret and only tells his son Critias the Elder who waits until he's 90 to tell his 10-year old grandson Critias who waits until he's talking to Socrates in 360 BC to mention Atlantis -- in one of Plato's Dialogues about Ideal States...
"Hey, Plato. Write down this story about a mighty kingdom called Atlantis that the Egyptians told Solon about.... It happened 9,800 years ago.... But I remember every word of it, including the names of Poseidon's 10 children, the type of fruit they had, the canals, fortifications, temples, the separate baths for women, horses and cattle... and a hundred other unnecessary details that the Egyptians faithfully preserved... Solon took "notes" but of course they're going to disappear. Just like all the Egyptian records...."
So Schliemann found Troy but what's taking so long to find Atlantis? Plato told you exactly where it is. Wait, don't tell me. Atlantis was vaporized by a comet and every last microscopic trace of it is forever lost beneath the waves of time. I guess we'll never know for sure.....
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@CorePathway Support each other? "Scientists" disagree with each other about everything. The Scientific Method is all about vigorous skepticism, rigorous questioning, proposing a hypothesis, gathering evidence, interpreting data, refuting or verifying, internecine feuds and rivalries and then... after many years... reaching a consensus.
For instance, Continental Drift was hypothesized by Wegener in 1912 and not accepted until the 1960s.
Graham Hancock and his pseudoscientific theories will be forgotten like Helena Blavatsky, Rudolph Steiner, James Churchman, Olof Rudbeck, Ignatius Donnelly, Imanuel Velikovsky and a hundred other crackpots from 100 years ago.
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@JustinC2319 Wow. You're experiences are very inspiring. I hope you're able to share them with people around you. You could help make a difference in a lot of people's lives. It's great that you're sober and doing well.
What happened to me wasn't very dramatic. I was always kind of agnostic. Saying, "maybe there's a God, maybe not. You can't prove it either way." They say some people only turn to God when they're in trouble. Sure enough, I remember saying, "Jesus if you help me, I will find a way to start believing in you." Since then I haven't gone to church or read the Bible, but I try to respect people who do. There's a lot of wisdom and good advice in the Bible and other religions, like Buddhism. But now I know that something is out there, something that can help us.
My friends always say I've had a charmed life and things always work out for me. I always felt that something, some invisible hand, was guiding me, or watching out for me, helping me out. Maybe it was Jesus all along. I don't pray much, only when I'm worried about something. But I believe prayer can help people. Thank you for your prayers. We can all use all the good wishes that we can get. Hope things keep going well for you.
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