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  744.  @dffndjdjd  Yes, how silly of me for not going into said two thousand years of theological debate and pulling out a bullet point list (about something which wasn't even the point of the comment) for a rando on YT lmao. Almost like the last part of my comment was about just that: which is that these debates have happened in depth in recorded essay-form far better thought out than here, with Thomas Aquinas being but one name of many. It's certainly not getting solved by two anonymous strangers yapping rn. We literally only have the monk's account, and we know how much people will try to manipulate a debate or tint the aftermath to be in their favour in the modern day, let alone back then when the sole recorder of events is one of the debatees and the sole readers will agree with his view, on a cultural level let alone religious. You don't need to tell me how you're personally not convinced by anything, since that had little to do with what I was saying anyway, though it's easy to dismiss well thought out counter arguments from centuries, millennia, or mere years ago as "hand waves" when one disagrees with their fundamental thinking, not much different from politics. Internet debate is where reasonable discussion (free of cheap "gotcha"s) goes to die, so you'll have to forgive me for not making or regurgitating a thesis on one of the biggest metaphysical topics in human history in a YT comment section of all places.💀 Some people have better things to do, which is why this is the last message I'm putting in here, given my primary point about education and prosperity not being a bane of religion has already been made. I've wasted too much time writing this comment as is, lol.
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  3254. +nemesis408 Honestly at this point I'm not sure if you're saying you can't be forgiven for sins that you commit after becoming a Christian and having all prior sins washed away or not. All I can say is that I believe you can be forgiven of your sins by repenting of them after you've realized you've committed them, even after having become a Christian, and you are forgiven. God's love is not finite, nor is his forgiveness. Thus, I believe unconditional and endless forgiveness is core to Christianity based off of many verses pertaining to Jesus' teachings. That does not mean that legally it should be practiced, as in this world you must be punished for crimes you commit, but it does not change that one should try to forgive someone who has done wrong in their heart even if said person must be punished if you are to act like a Christian. And in regards to your other comment, Jesus didn't teach against eye for an eye in a judicial system, but he most CERTAINLY didn't speak in support of it. So when putting together the fact that he was against eye for an eye on an interpersonal level and didn't speak in support of it for a judicial system, you can't say he taught in support of it. That was my entire point from the start. The verses in the bible on unconditional love are plentiful, and a few of which I mentioned. It seems like you're purposefully attempting to avoid the uncomfortable business of loving and forgiving unconditionally despite all the verses stating how God loves us without end and how we should act the same towards others. Forgiveness on an interpersonal level has to be unconditional, otherwise you're not going to be able to free yourself from hatefulness as easily. Unconditional love and forgiveness is literally demonstrated in the fact that Jesus was crucified and still asked forgiveness for those that murdered him.
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  3746. As a bisexual guy I've been wrestling with this question myself. I've never given up on my faith but I'm trying to work through it and figure it out, and I came to the same conclusion as you that trying to do a buffet of God's teachings to match our modern values (like many denominations that try to contort Christianity via selective verses to be pro-gay) is a mistake, yet at the same time it's hard to square how to handle the situation other than being celibate towards the same sex. It's easier for me because I'm bi and mostly into women, but it's even harder to imagine how to square that as someone who's truly homosexual. Do they just give up all romance and love, and become celibate monks as the Bible says? Maybe that's the hard truth of it. I'm not sure yet. I do feel that the solid doctrine and tradition of many ancient faiths are a guiding principal that shouldn't have been abandoned. Even if, as atheists say, none of it is real, it has to be measured on the actual physical benefit. And believing there is no God largely leads to pointless hedonism, nihilism and self-aggrandizement with no thought for the future. People who are religious are statistically more happy than those without, so at that point what does the "truth" matter when people are doing things like killing themselves at an unprecedented rate because of believing there's no hope or point in life? The answers non-religious philosophies give are always high minded but never practical for the average person compared to the tenets of religions that are founded on thousands of years of deep thought and introspection.
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  3795.  @jLL-r9s  Christianity has always combined with traditions from other cultures. yes. However saying "pagan culture" is incredibly vague, because there was no "pagan culture", just the culture of the specific areas that Christianity integrated into. It wasn't a monolith. The actual historicity of whether Christmas and Halloween were pagan traditions or actually sprung from Christianity is very much still a matter of debate which people act far too certain of one way or another when there's actually very little information. Usually those saying it's totally 100% a pagan holiday are often contrarian know-it-alls who aren't furthering knowledge but rather looking for cheap "gotcha" reactions. It's not that crazy to have European Christians come to the same conclusions about the best time to celebrate the birth of Christ: during winter, not to mention the cosmic symbiology and significance of the story that relates it to winter as the real reason December 25th was chosen. It's a lot more in depth than just yoinking a pagan holiday and plastering baby jesus over it as so many treat it in pithy online comments. And to illustrate the point about how little people actually know about these "pagan traditions", mistle toe having such significance at Christmas as we know it is a modern addition to the holiday from 18th century England, though it did have different meanings to different cultures before then generally related to fertility. But mistloetoe being significant wouldn't be unique to "pagan" beliefs anyway, because it's literally one of the few green plants that flower in winter. That ties in very easily on a symbolic level to Christianity, of a green plant flowering in the dead of winter. Lastly, we have no idea when exactly Jesus was born. Historians literally have a 2-year gap as to when it may have happened, let alone which exact season or month.
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  4434.  @kenjen9861  -It's called hyperbole for the sake of a point, sweety. You don't understand the meaning of what a strawman actually is, cuz this ain't it chief. Like I said, it's where people ACT as if the world would be so much better than it is now without religion, when it wouldn't be. They have this Utopian vision, and it's downright false. THAT is the point. It's as if you took three words and decided to ignore the rest of the statement surrounding said three words just so you could say "mUh STraWmaN". -It's purposefully vague, because wanting more can come in many forms. Specifically, greed comes in many forms, more than just wealth but also power, and that is at the core of human nature. And asking me why we should bother talking about human nature is a rather odd question, since there's plenty of nuance to it but it still all boils down to the fact that people want more and oftentimes don't care about how they get it. Greed is the foundation of the rest of the conversation regarding human nature. -That's my point though. Religion has nothing to do with the lack of caution in use with science, so you can't blame religion for where we're at currently. My point about science and industry because of advancing very quickly resulting in huge population booms and toxic waste IS true. The people at the top don't care about the damage they cause, it has nothing to do with "teaching" people not to because plenty of people already know, as do the people at the top. They just don't want to change it because it comes back to human nature of wanting more and wanting it now regardless of the cost, without potentially losing what you already have because life is so short. You're wrong that it's just a lack of caution, it's a matter of a constant need to keep up with the ever growing human population due to higher life expectancy, resulting in needing faster production of resources to keep the population fed, clothed, etc, which means that the faster but more damaging way of doing it is more convenient and thus used more often since it rakes in short term benefits.
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