Comments by "Spartas Edge" (@SpartasEdge) on "‘Listen to yourselves!’ Andrew Pierce blasts Russell Brand defenders after THAT GB News bust-up" video.

@Vienna1 Same with Rolf Harris; I never would have suspected him, but there must have been a pretty compelling case against him too to be found guilty.
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@gpac8147 Would you have defended Jimmy Saville in the same way in the early days?
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@StevenFowler-ye6ph Yeah, just as i thought.. You're making baseless insinuations, based on nothing so far according to your reluctance to elaborate on them. At least Andrew has a basis of something to go on; which is more than what you have it seems to justify yours.
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@jamescaley9942 Would you have defended Jimmy Saville in the early days like this? And are you saying the 4-5 women that have come spoken out against him so far, are lying? Maybe their claims shouod be 'taken seriously' and at least looked into, instead of assuming guilt or innocence, no?
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@gpac8147 Who paid them? Amd to what end exactly? It's interesting that that's your first thought and the one you go with, rather than at least entertaining the notion that they may actually be telling the truth.. 4-5 women who don't know eachother, speak out against Brand, and you don't think that at the very least looks bad!?..
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@coopers8160 Yeah, rape, a laugh a minute that is.. 🤷
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@sashsash6679 You sound pretty sure of yourself. Are you saying the 4-5 women that have spoken out about him so far, are lying?
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@gpac8147 This wont age well on you if it transpires he us a rapist, and you defended him.. Would you have defended Jimmy Saville in the same way in the early days when it first cane out? And are you saying the 4-5 women that have spoken out against him are lying? Because i could say the same to you, shame on you for assuming so, that argument goes both ways.
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@sashsash6679 'Upset' yeah, I'm sure people will go to all that effort because they were 'upset'.. Who is 'they' exactly? Upset in what way? How exactly? Give some examples. Are you saying that 5-5 women speaking out against him doesn't at least 'look' bad? yes or no? So, hypothetically; if your sister or mother was one of the people that came out against Brand, would you still be defending him?
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@randomuser4201 Agreed. Anyone who doesn't think that 4-5 women (so far) who don't know eachother, speaking out against Brand, doesn't at least think it looks bad, are blind.
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@andyquelch5754 You're missing one this; have you considered that he may have actually did it? 1 woman coming out against someone saying they were raped is concerning, but 5 looks bad at the very least!.. It's people like you, who instantly dismiss allegations, is why people like Saville, Rolf Harris and Harvy Weinstien got away with it for so long, and why the vast majority of women don't report being raped, which is the very thing Andrew was talking about. So tell, me, you think ythe 5 women that have (so far) spoken out about Brand are ALL lying? Hypothetically, if one of the women speaking out against Brand was your mother, sister, wife or girlfriend, would you still be defending Brand like this?
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 @StevenFowler-ye6ph So, go on then, out with it, or are you just going to make vague accusations, or prove Andrews point that people don't come out with stuff.
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@michael42158 Do you think that the 4-5 winen that have spiken out about him so far, are lying?
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@gpac8147 You are also speculating, but in your case you are assuming his innocence, which is no different. I'll ask you three questions.. 1. 4-5 women speaking out against Brand, you don't think that at the very least 'looks' bad!? 2. Are you saying the 4-5 women that have spoken out against him are lying? 3. Hypothetically, if one of the women that spoke out against Brand was your sister, paartner or mother, would you still be defending Brand?
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@gpac8147 And you know this how exactly? Show me this apparent Incontrovertible proof you have. Also, so you're saying the 5 women who have spoken out against him are lying? You never answered my earlier question, so I'll ask again. Would you have defended Jimmy Saville like this in the early days?..
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@Rosalee-73 On point, unless of course he's guiilty. Assumed innocence is no differennt than assumed guilt.
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@andyquelch5754 And you have missed the poiint also, in that people have gotten away with things, and women don't report rapes, because they get dismised. I don't see anyone calling for Brand to be hanged or imprisoned at this stage, do you? but it does at leaqst need to be taken seriously, not dismissed, like many have on here, and looked into.
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peterhicks5590 How so? Elaborate.
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@gpac8147 What are you talking about? you're babbling Lol Elaborate. It's interesting that you said that, instead of actually answering the questions i asked you, or provided the proof i requested.. 🤔
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@andyquelch5754 No, I'm just not assuming innocence, like you pal is here which is no differennt to assumed innocence, and just because i don't share your view, doesn't make me me a troll (the fact you class what i have said as trolling, tells me a lot about you); in fact the person who uses that word, is nore often than not, the actual troll, and equating me to a terrorist because i won't dismiss the claims against Brand, is trolling, yet i notice you didn't mention that, nor did you mention that he is also assuming guilt/innocence; double standards 🙌 Your argument goes both ways, in that it's a sad view of society, or some of it, where they instantly assume a man is innocent of rape, when 5 (so far) women, who don't know each other, say they were raped by him, and they instantly take his word over theirs Hypithetically, Would you be saying the same things and saying them to your sister, girlfriend, wife was saying it, Andy?
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@gpac8147 I'm not stoning anyone, I'm just takung the claims seriously. You stated multiple times that Brand is innocent. I asked you how you know this, what your proof is to substantiate this and where you saw it; these are not unreasonable question's, and if you have no such proof, you are making it up and proclaiming conjecture as fact, which is dangerous.
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@gpac8147 Yet you're asuming his innocence which is no differennt, you're contradicting yourself Lol It has just come out another case of rape against Brand has just been reported to the police (yes, reported to the police),which allegedly transpired in London in 2003. I hope you remember what you said now, because if it does transpire that Brand is found guilty, you (actively) defended a rapist. You have used 1 of 5 chances to provide the proof to substantiate your statment that i adked you for previously, you have 4 left.
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@gpac8147 You have repled twice now since i gave you your 5 opportunitites to answer the question i asked, but still failed to provide an answer, so thats 2 of 5 chances used to answer the question now. As i said earlier, if you havn't answered it by the end of your 5th and final opportunity to do so, i am declaring a victory here on my part and loss on yours, which is totally fine by me 👍 If you can't answer the qiestions, you don't have an arument.
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@andyquelch5754 No, i get it, but i don't think you do. I'm going to put some questions to you, all of which i notice you have conveniently failed to anwer. 1. Would you be saying the same things to your mother, sister, girlfriend, wife if they (hypothetically) were among the one's that had reported being raped by Brand? 2. Would you have defended Jimmy Saville the same way in the early days? 3. What do you say about your double standards in relation to not mentioning what the other person said in terms being a troll and assuming guilt/innocence? Why have you not pulled them up on their actions and what they have said?.. 🤔 4. Are you saying that (now 6) women that have said they were raped by Brand, are lying? 5. Would you not say that 6 women, who don't know each other, coming out and saying they were raped, at least looks bad? 6. Does the absence of proof definitively mean that someone didn't physically do something? It has just come out another case of rape against Brand has just been reported to the police (yes, they have teken it to the police),which allegedly transpired in London in 2003. I hope you remember what you said now, if it does transpire that Brand is found guilty, and that you defended a rapist. If you fail to answer any of those questions, i will come back and ask you them one at a time, just so you know.
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@andyquelch5754 FFS you havn't answered ANY of the questions, and of anything is ludicrus, its the fact you havn't yet claimed you have Lol So as promised, i will put them to you one at a time. Re: Double standards. You implied i was a troll, and criticised people for making assumptions, yet you didn't call out the other guys trolling language and his assumption of Brands innocence/guilt, why did you not call out that?.. is this not double-standards?
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