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@Grim_Beard No, they were not surrendering at all prior to Hiroshima. The conditional/unconditional surrender thing was why we dropped the second bomb.
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@Grim_Beard Battle plan "Ketsu Go", in the words of the Emperor himself on June 8th 1945, less than a month before the first atomic bomb was dropped, demanded Japan choose "extinction rather than surrender." 32 million civilians were being trained in the use of primitive weapons to fight off an American invasion.
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Not to mention the invasion of Germany killed 3 million civilians. I guess that's white privilege for you.
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@3dcomrade About 2.7 million were killed by the Soviet, about 300,000 were killed by Americans and British.
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White westerners are really the only people who own up to the ugliness of their past. Shaka Zulu killed 2 million people to claim a slice of land the size of New Jersey and yet he's still a folk hero in South Africa. It's a perverse inversion of karma as the West's honesty and integrity about our past is the world's best weapon against us.
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To be fair, China still reveres Mao Tse Tung, the greatest murderer in all of human history. It's not fair to single out Japan.
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@adrianroman2520 Battle plan "Ketsu Go", in the words of the Emperor himself on June 8th 1945, less than a month before the first atomic bomb was dropped, demanded Japan choose "extinction rather than surrender." 32 million civilians were being trained in the use of primitive weapons to fight off an American invasion. The man who led the air attack on Pearl Harbor himself said to the man who piloted the Enola Gay "You did the right thing. You know the Japanese attitude at the time, how fanatic they were. They'd die for the Emperor, every man, woman, and child would have resisted the invasions with sticks and stones if necessary." Factophobe.
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Nite Rocks Who the HELL has swept the nukes or American Indian genocide under the rug!? Anyone over the age of six has heard of both. Thanks for proving my point. The West teaches about its evils, while the rest of the world doesn't, and as a result we are labelled uniquely evil.
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@noticemesenpai69 Dances With Wolves, Pocahontas, Avatar, the Lone Ranger, etc. are all big name Hollywood productions which wept for the American Indians. Even Lone Ranger went as far as to portray the Comanches, who at the time were one of the most evil, brutal empires in human history, as a bunch of meek little pacifists getting bullied by white imperialists. We're not "honest" because we teach our children that their forefathers murdered an entire race in cold blood, when in reality disease did 90% of the work before America was even a country. Japan (and the rest of the world) hides is atrocities, while America invents atrocities to cry about.
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No, we don't feel bad about the bombs because otherwise it would have necessitated an invasion which would have killed millions of people.
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@jaimealvarado4421 Wrong. Disease killed 90% of Native Americans before the US was even a country. Your comment shows how backwards the world is. Japan won't talk about crimes it actually committed while the US invents crimes to flagellate itself over. The worst incident of violence against the American Indians was the Trail of Tears, which killed about 3,000 people. That's not a small number but it would take thousands of similar events to equal "the deadliest genocide in human history."
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Both are wrong, yes. I don't care if Japan thinks they're the greatest country on Earth, just stop burying history.
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That's because American schools are based on the doctrine that white people are born with a unique genetic predisposition to evil. I remember taking a "World Studies" class in High School changed my life. Ironically the teacher started out with the lines "the Europeans were evil, they were like a disease", but I've never gained as much ammo against SJWs as I did from that class. Japanese WWII atrocities, Indian wife burning, Mao's Great Leap Forward, the Rwanda Genocide, etc.
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I'm sure the 6 people upvoting you don't even know what you're talking about.
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I would have had no idea if I didn't take a World Studies class in High School. I know about the Holocaust when I was five, didn't know about Nanking until I was 15. And SJWs have the nerve to complain about "white washing."
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Exactly.
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@GAGONMYCOREY Stop being disingenuous. Everytime you talk about history Americans "don't know" you also expect everyone to know exactly what you're talking about. You can't have it both ways.
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Yes, huge facts like that the Native Americans were killed overwhelmingly by disease before the US was even a country, that the Crusades were a response to centuries of Islamic Imperialism, and that the Africans sold their own people into slavery.
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Germans were not punished, not by the West. Quite the opposite. Japan was punished by having its military neutered. Germany just decided by its own free will (I think) to pay a little bit in reparations to the Jews.
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No, not true. They surrendered but not unconditionally. They demanded to keep their emperor. Only after the second nuke did they surrender unconditionally.
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Ummm it's not just ChiComs who are pissed at Japan for sweeping its history under the rug. Western culture has become a self-loathing cesspit because we've been teaching about our horrible past while other ethnicities refuse to do the same. Imagine what would happen to your country (assuming you're Japanese) if your kids believed your blood line was the only blood line that ever did anything evil in history? Wouldn't you be extremely angry at Germans for sweeping their treatment of Jews and Slavs under the rug?
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@MS78gonggon Japan killed 20 million Chinese, 16 million of whom were civilians, in Manchuria alone. That's far worse than all the crimes the US did in the Middle East, South America, and Vietnam combined. But yes, the crimes of Mao, Nazis, and Stalin were comparable.
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@MS78gonggon https://www.nationalww2museum.org/students-teachers/student-resources/research-starters/research-starters-worldwide-deaths-world-war
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@MS78gonggon This wasn't where I first saw the number, either. I think its pretty established figure.
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@MS78gonggon Fair points, but I've seen higher numbers. 20 million is not Chinese propaganda, it's probably the most fair estimate.
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SJWs : But America white-washes it's history too! I'm not going to explain any further because I correctly assume you know about the things I just said you didn't know about!
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@baltazarvok2564 Comparison I think is what's key. The West and Japan both go too far in opposite directions. People need to know 1) their ancestors were assholes, if not their grandparents then their great or great great grandparents 2) everyone else's ancestors were also assholes.
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@hivestalker Abu Griabh was a front page story in the New York Times for 44 days in a row. The US blames itself for all 3 million deaths in the Vietnam War even though it was a war between North and South Vietnam which we simply got involved in and half those people were killed by our enemies. We even use videos of a naked girl who'd been burned by napalm as anti-war propaganda when it was a South Vietnamese bomber who dropped that napalm. The US overthrew one democracy in South America (Chile) and the same people who won't shut up about that told us democracy was is just an arbitrary Western choice of lifestyle and foreigners love their dictators when the US went to overthrow Saddam. Etc.
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@ザク777 WORLD history. If you just take standard history you don't learn about them, but somehow you do learn about the Holocaust. Funny how that works.
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Sounds like the opposite of America. In American: 1) We are taught our ancestors murdered an entire race in cold blood to steal their land and satisfy our unique Caucasoid genetic predisposition to evil. The plagues that killed 90% of American Indians before America was even a country never happened 2) Comancheria, the American Indians own version of Manifest Destiny (but far more brutal) is never given any mention 3) Half our class is spent talking about slavery, but there is no mention of the Barbary Pirates, who are the reason the USMC exists 4) Students grow up believing America plucked Africans from their home continent like dandelions, rather than that both Africa and the West were co-conspirators in slavery. 5) No mention of Japanese WWII atrocities, making it look like dropping a nuke was the worst crime between the two countries, even though Japan's invasion of Manchuria killed literally 100X more people, 80% of whom were civilians. Sure they gloss over some things like what happened in the Philipines, but what does that compare to erroneously pinning the largest genocide in human history on our forefathers.
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Ummm Imperial Japan killed just many as the Nazis, yet the Nazis had 3 million of their civilians killed by the allies (mostly Soviets). So yes, Japan got off very very easy.
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It's so perverse, backwards, and disgusting the inversion of karma SJWs have created. Cultures which own up to their past get ground into the dirt based on ancestral guilt, while those who deny the crimes of their past get to live in peace because of their dishonesty.
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Either you went to a weird school or you are grossly disingenuous. We spend half our history class and half our English class talking about slavery and racism. We teach our ancestors murdered the entire Native American race in cold blood when in reality disease killed 90% of them before America was even a country. Etc.
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We spend half our history class talking about slavery and racism. Then you get pissed that we don't talk about enough of the gory details. But you're fine that things like the Barbary Pirates and Comancheria are totally left out.
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Germany is also a very peaceful and respectful country today.
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Honestly, what more do you want from them?
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We're not taught the details, more like untrue generalities that make us feel guilty. For example, most Americans don't know that Native Americans were ripped from their homes and forced to go special schools where their culture was beaten out of them, BUT they do think that our forefathers murdered an entire race in cold blood just to sate their unique Caucasoid predisposition to evil when in reality disease did 90% of the work.
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China reveres Mao, the greatest murderer in human history. They're not in a good position to talk.
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My experience in American K-12 (I grew up in CT, not Texas) Native Americans : Most grow up believing that we murdered an entire race of meek, enlightened little timber angels in cold blood just to sate our unique Caucasoid disposition to evil. Disease is never mentioned, even though European disease did 99% of the "genocide" in North America before the US was even a country South American coups : Not taught. Vietnam : It's taught as a morally dicey war. I guess you could say its taught as "morally mediocre." Not really good or bad, but leaning a bit more towards bad. It's definitely taught with a pinch of anti-American bias, though. A photo of a naked girl who's back was burned off by napalm is used as anti-war propaganda even though it was a South Vietnamese bomber who dropped the payload (imagine the Japanese using photos from Auschwitz and passing it off as one of their own sites). We never hear about the horrors inflicted on the South Vietnamese after losing the war. And many seem to have this bizarre notion that it was an American vs. Vietnamese war, rather than a war between two Vietnamese factions the US simply got involved in.
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That would imply that white people can be victims just as much as any other colonized people, so it probably doesn't. But I'm not English so I don't know.
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The sad truth is there are plenty of other cultures like the Japanese who did horrible things but erase it, yet you never hear about it because they hardly left anyone behind to talk about it. Bantu Expansionism is a perfect example.
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The Japanese are not the only ones. In South Africa Shaka Zulu is hailed as a hero even though he killed 2 million people to claim a slice of land the size of New Jersey. Basically any place in the world that doesn't have a white majority believes their forefathers did nothing wrong. And white people are paying dearly for this honesty in a perverse inversion of karma.
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What a disingenuous thing to say. We spend half our class talking about slavery and tell our children their forefathers murdered an entire race in cold blood when in reality 90% of American Indians were killed by disease before the US was even founded.
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American: 80 million people just died Nicaraguan: lol wut?
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I think a lot of it is that Japan is culturally isolated from the people they wronged. In America we cry rivers of tears for the black slaves and Native Americans, but most people are totally ignorant of what we did in the Philippines. Probably because they are half way across the pacific. The people the Germans wronged were their neighbors, and even German citizens themselves.
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No one benefitted from that decision more than the Japanese. The man who led the air attack on the Pearl Harbor told the pilot of the Enola Gay "You did the right thing. You know how fanatic we were at the time. Every Japanese man, woman, and child would have resisted an invasion with sticks and stones if necessary."
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Thank you. Impressment is a nice word for enslavement.
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The Japanese are not unique in this way. Only wealthy Western nations acknowledge the ugliness of their past. Even people raised on Indian Reservations grow up believing absurd tales about how their ancestors lived in a land with no sickness and settled disputes with foot-races.
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@jacksonhansen9585 Not comparable? The number of civilians killed by Imperial Japan is at least in the millions. Maybe tens of millions.
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@jacksonhansen9585 The nukes were a way to end the war, when does war ever take fewer lives than the watershed moment?
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But we also go out of our way to vilify ourselves, for example erasing the fact that disease did 99% of the "genocide" against Native Americans before the US was even founded, using pictures of a girl who got napalmed by a South Vietnamese plane as anti-American propaganda, etc. Hell, I thought the US was the country which bombed Dresden up until very recently, but it turns out 70% of the planes were RAF.
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That's one of the most disingenuous things I've ever heard. We spend half our history class talking about slavery.
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As an America, it's generally taught as "It was a tough decision" and seen as one of those morally gray areas of history.
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It doesn't really matter what the textbooks say. For example, American textbooks never say that we wiped out the American Indians, but this is what most people believe (in reality it was disease that did almost all the 'work').
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They're not white, so most of the world doesn't care.
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