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abduls believe in three qurans
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When talking to an abdul: Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Is hafs quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is warsh quran a quran? A. Yes Q. Is doori quran a quran? A. Yes Q. How many qurans? A. One quran Q. Are all qurans around the world same? A. Yes Q. Do the Sana manuscript and Birmingham manuscript have variants? A. Yes Q. Are qurans preserved word for word, letter for letter? A. Yes Q. In sura 37.12, one quran says "you", another "I"? A. They are different accents Q. How many ahrufs did muhamad recite? A. 7 Q. How many ahrufs did uthman destroy? A. 6 Q. How many ahrufs today? A. 7 Q. How many qiraats did muhamad recite? A. None Q. How many qiraats today? A. 10, 15, 20, 50 Q. Is Bible preserved? A. No Q. Is muhamad prophesied in the Bible? A. Yes Q. Did muhamad marry a child? A. No Q. How old was aisha? A. 6
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5 pillars of islam: 1. PEDOPHILIA (sura 65.4, Bukhari 5133) 2. MUT’AH MARRIAGE (sura 4.24) 3. HALALA MARRIAGE (sura 2.230) 4. ADULTBREASTFEEDING (Sahih Muslim 8:3425) 5. TAQIYYA (sura 16.106, 3.28, Sahih Bukhari 3:49:857)
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@MirMdNasif abduls be like aisha was fine because she was nine 🤣
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@tymon1928 abdul is a classic example of taqi-yya mentality. He was asked why allah has TWO hands only, not 7. Nobody asked him about right or left, yet notice his deflection 😂
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@lurdkatmin3298 How can HE and WE both refer to the same person? Stop doing taqi-yya. The words I and WE may refer to the same person but not HE and WE
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@tymon1928 the abdul believes in three qurans
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The differences between the Birmingham manuscript (Mingana 1572a and BnF Arabe 328(c) folios) and the modern qurans listed by scholar Marijn van putten: In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following: * Q10:45 naḥšuruhum which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim. * Q10:58 taǧmaʿūna which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*. * Q18:26 tušrik which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*. * Q20:13 ʾaḫtartuka which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*. * Q21:80 li-tuḥsinakum which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*. * Q21:87 naqdir which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*. * Q21:104 naṭwī which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*. * Q22:45 ʾahlaknāhā which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*. * Q22:47 taʿuddūna which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read yaʿuddūna. * Q23:21 nusqīkum or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
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@tymon1928 read the abdul's funny comment. According to him allah has 2 right hands, 1 wrong shin, 1 wrong face and 1 wrong backside 🤣🤣🤣
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@lurdkatmin3298 Yes, it's laughable. You admit that the words in the different qurans are different and then at the same time you claim the qurans are perfectly preserved word for word. You should see a doctor 🤣 I never said 37.12 is related to 2.58. This shows again you need reading classes. I pointed out the flaws in your argument by pointing out the same problem with 37.12. You are running again because you realized you debunked yourself 😂
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@lurdkatmin3298 Abdul, HE and WE refer to different persons. Both cannot be true. The difference in the words clearly indicates there is more than one quran. You cannot claim that every quran around the world is exactly the same. Your taqi-yya is up. And I know what taqi-yya means.
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@lurdkatmin3298 So muhummud took consent from a prepubescent girl! By the way, aisha was still prepubescent at the age of 9. The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for `Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty. (Fath-ul-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
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@lurdkatmin3298 I am still waiting for your evidence that qira'ats go back to muhummud 🤔 All you have are empty claims, no real evidence
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@lurdkatmin3298 Strawman argument again, nobody asked you for the context. HE and WE are not the same words. Your qurans are not the same. And your taqi-yya cannot apply to sura 37.12 because one of the qurans says "I (allah) am amazed". This is a contradiction.
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@lurdkatmin3298 I'll expose your taqi-yya now. In sura 37.12, Hafs quran says "you wonder", while khalaf version says "I wonder". Do both these verses refer to allah?
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@lurdkatmin3298 Huh? You admitted yourself that the words are different in the different qurans! Are you backing out of your own words now? Lol And you didn't even give me evidence that the qira'ats go back to muhummud! I won the debate and proved you have multiple qurans!
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@lurdkatmin3298 You have no idea what you are talking about. The original discussion was that the qurans are not perfectly preserved word for word, letter for letter as claimed by muslims. You tried to strawman yourself by claiming that the words may be different but the context remains the same. You shifted the goalposts. I then pointed out that even your strawman argument doesn't hold because HE and WE can refer to different persons and you were simply interpreting the text based on your assumptions. You insisted that it can only refer to allah based on the context. This is why I pointed out sura 37.12 because the verse uses I and YOU and in this case your taqi-yya doesn't work because the verse can't refer to the same speaker. It creates a contradiction. You should take reading classes or you will forever remain an abdul 😂
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@lurdkatmin3298 You keep doing taqi-yya and are shifting the goalposts as always. You muslims make a number of claims about your qurans and they have all been debunked. Let me go through each of the claims and refute them: Claim 1. There is only 1 quran, word for word, letter for letter. Refutation: you admitted yourself that the different qurans have different words. So your first claim is debunked.
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@lurdkatmin3298 Nice taqi-yya. All the different versions cannot be traced back to muhummud and that's because uthman destroyed 6 of the 7 ahrufs. As per islamic traditions there should be only one quran today but we see that that's not true.
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@lurdkatmin3298 That's your interpretation and assumption, not what the text says. The truth is that HE and WE are different words referring to different persons. When Christians say the same thing about the Bible you muslims claim the Bible has changed. This proves you abduls have double standards and use 2 different criteria when talking about the Bible and your qurans.
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@lurdkatmin3298 What do you mean I haven't demonstrated that HE and WE are different words??? Are you blind? Are you telling us HE and WE are the same words? Taqi-yya taqi-yya 😂
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@lurdkatmin3298 You are now shifting the goalposts. You have jumped from your original claim "there is only 1 quran word for word, letter for letter" to "the context is the same". Taqi-yya exposed 😂
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@lurdkatmin3298 So are you denying the muslim claim that all the qurans are the same, word for word, letter for letter? Stop beating around the bush. And you did say that qira'ats go back to muhummud. I am still waiting for your evidence. Stop doing taqi-yya
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@lurdkatmin3298 You are playing games to avoid answering my question because you know you don't have evidence for your claims. My claim still stands, HE and WE are different words, so different qurans. Nobody asked you for the context. It's you who is strawmanning 😂
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@lurdkatmin3298 Here's another verse 37.12 where in one quran it says, "I (allah) am amazed" and the other quran says "you (muhummud) are amazed". This is clearly a contradiction.
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@lurdkatmin3298 Claim 2: you shifted the goalposts. So now you claim you don't have one quran but you have multiple qurans and you claim that all those qurans have been preserved along with the variants (qira'ats) because they go back to muhummud. Refutation: we are yet to see any evidence where muhummud or allah have said in your qurans or hadiths that there are 10, 15 or 50 qira'ats
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@alibabi7648 So now you muslims should stop saying that every quran around the world is exactly the same. And regarding your second claim that every qiraat goes back to muhummud you have to provide us with evidence from your qurans or your hadiths where allah or muhummud stated there are exactly 10 qiraats or 15 or 50. Unless you can point out such a verse or hadith you cannot claim that all qiraats go back to muhummud.
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@gavinjames1145 I have updated my post so it's more accurate
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@Yehya.Y The differences between the Birmingham manuscripts (Mingana 1572a and BnF Arabe 328(c) folios) and the modern qurans listed by scholar Marijn van putten: In the Birmingham manuscript we find the following: * Q10:45 naḥšuruhum which is the reading of all readers except Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim. * Q10:58 taǧmaʿūna which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ruways ʿan Yaʿqūb. All others read *yaǧmaʿūna*. * Q18:26 tušrik which is a reading unique to Ibn ʿĀmir. The rest has *yušrik*. * Q20:13 ʾaḫtartuka which is the majority readnig. Only Ḥamzah has *ʾaḫtarnāka*. * Q21:80 li-tuḥsinakum which is the reading of Ibn ʿĀmir, ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar and Ḥafṣ ʿan ʿĀṣim, as opposed to *li-nuḥṣinakum*. * Q21:87 naqdir which is the reading of everyone but Yaʿqūb. Yaʿqūb has *yuqdar*. * Q21:104 naṭwī which is the reading of everyone by ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar. ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar has *tuṭwā*. * Q22:45 ʾahlaknāhā which is the majority reading. ʾAbū ʿAmr and yaʿqūb read *ʾahlaktunā*. * Q22:47 taʿuddūna which is the majority reading. Ibn Kaṯīr, Ḥamzah. al-Kisāʾī and Ḫalaf read yaʿuddūna. * Q23:21 nusqīkum or *nasqīkum*, which is the majority reading. Only ʾAbū Ǧaʿfar reads *tasqīkumū*.
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@lurdkatmin3298 And you haven't demonstrated to us that your qira'ats go back to muhummud. Give us a verse from your qurans or a hadith where allah or muhummud mention you have 10, 15 or 50 qira'ats
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@lurdkatmin3298 How did I twist things? I asked you for evidence for your claims. Is asking a question considered twisting in islam? 😂
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@lurdkatmin3298 What do you mean it wasn't your argument? Didn't you ask for differences in the different qurans? Are you hallu-cinating? 😂 Your argument that HE and WE refer to the same person is an interpretation and proves that your qurans have different words and meaning.
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@lurdkatmin3298 You didn't even provide evidence for your claims that qira'ats go back to muhummud and are now trying to escape using taqi-yya 🤥
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@lurdkatmin3298 Who is running? Your claim is that HE and WE refer to the same person but that's your interpretation. My claim is that your qurans have different words and different meanings. HE and WE are different words. They can either refer to the same person or to different persons. I have proved my claim that you have different qurans because your qurans have different words. Looks like everything went over your head. By the way, I am still waiting for your evidence that qira'ats go back to muhummud 🤔
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@lurdkatmin3298 I am not running from my claim. I clearly told you that you are using an interpretation to reconcile between WE and HE. My original claim was that your qurans have different words and hence they are different which is true. It's you who is jumping and shifting the goalposts. The muslim claim has always been that every quran around the world is exactly the same, word for word, letter for letter. You are now changing the claim saying that the context is the same. I can make the same claim about every book in the world including the Bible that the context is the same.
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@lurdkatmin3298 It's an interpretation because WE and HE don't mean the same thing. Answer my question now and stop doing taqi-yya. Where is your evidence that qira'ats go back to muhummud? Quote a verse from your qurans or a hadith.
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@lurdkatmin3298 So muhummud married an immature girl? 🤔
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@lurdkatmin3298 Exactly, the Bible cannot be compared to your qurans because the Bible is more reliable and historically accurate than your 37 qurans. The qiraats are nothing but inventions by later generation of muslims to hide the errors in your qurans. You claimed that qiraats go back to muhummud. So show us evidence that muhummud or allah mentioned there are exactly 10,15 or 50 qiraats. Give us a verse from your qurans or a hadith where this is mentioned.
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@alibabi7648 Yes I agree, islam is funny 😂 Also, your big speech addresses absolutely nothing other than your own strawman. Nobody said qurans are not recitations. Take reading classes Secondly, one quran says "you", another says "I". Dawah script: "they are different dialects" 🤣🤣🤣
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@alibabi7648 Are you an expert in strawman arguments? 😂 Nyctom08 pointed out a verse in 2 different qurans with different set of words and a contradictory message, yet your response is that a muslim can recite the verse by memory (not withstanding the fact that majority of muslims don't know arabic and many of them read the qurans in their native language to understand it) 🤦
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@alibabi7648 You deserve to be mocked at because you deliberately pretend to not listen. When we point out that your qurans have different words with contradictory meaning, you keep saying those are different qiraats that go back to your prophet. Nobody asked you if they go back to your prophet or not. Stop doing taqi-yya. You muslims have been lying from a long time ago that every quran around the world is exactly the same, word for word, letter for letter but now when we look at the evidence you change your position claiming those are different qiraats that go back to muhummud. But that's not your original claim that there is only 1 quran. So now you muslims have to stop saying that every quran around the world is exactly the same. Now regarding your second claim that every qiraat goes back to muhummud you have to provide us with evidence from your qurans or your hadiths where allah or muhummud stated there are exactly 10 qiraats or 15 or 50. Unless you can point out such a verse or hadith you cannot claim that all qiraats go back to muhummud.
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@alibabi7648 You deserve to be laughed at because you deliberately pretend to not listen. When we point out that your qurans have different words with contradictory meaning, you keep saying those are different qiraats that go back to your prophet. Nobody asked you if they go back to your prophet or not. Stop doing taqi-yya. You muslims have been making false claims from a long time ago that every quran around the world is exactly the same, word for word, letter for letter but now when we look at the evidence you change your position claiming those are different qiraats that go back to muhummud. But that's not your original claim that there is only 1 quran. So now you muslims have to stop saying that every quran around the world is exactly the same. Now regarding your second claim that every qiraat goes back to muhummud you have to provide us with evidence from your qurans or your hadiths where allah or muhummud stated there are exactly 10 qiraats or 15 or 50. Unless you can point out such a verse or hadith you cannot claim that all qiraats go back to muhummud.
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@alibabi7648 You deserve to be mocked at because you deliberately pretend to not listen. When we point out that your qurans have different words with contradictory meaning, you keep saying those are different qiraats that go back to your prophet. Nobody asked you if they go back to your prophet or not. Stop doing taqi-yya. You muslims have been lying from a long time ago that every quran around the world is exactly the same, word for word, letter for letter but now when we look at the evidence you change your position claiming those are different qiraats that go back to muhummud. But that's not your original claim that there is only 1 quran.
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@gavinjames1145 The text quoted in my comment is found in Mingana 1572a and BnF Arabe 328(c) folios
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@gavinjames1145 They are considered part of the same collection but this is not important. The significance of these manuscripts is that there are variants in the different qurans we have today. This clearly disproves the claim of only one quran.
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