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@TheRealAwesomePersonOfCoolness Paid gun lobby stooges.
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Bolt action rifles are legal in Australia. So are shotguns (just not pump action ones).
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Adam Franasiak This upswing had no demonstrable connection to the gun buyback. Gun crime rates dropped at a greater rate than crime by other means, without a commensurate increase in those other means.
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Evidence please.
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@timbo853 No, I want evidence of all your claims, from the ownership of that AR-15 to the inference that the Port Arthur massacre was planned (by anyone other than Martin Bryant).
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Winter That 2.5 million defensive use claim is bogus. Do you even know where it comes from or how old it is? Only the gun lobby believes those fairy stories.
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@liam.s789 That's not an excuse for doing nothing about guns. Australia has had no gun massacres since 1996.
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Haswanth Thetraingod Self defence has never been a reason to own a gun in Australia, not even before 1996.
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If guns weren’t so pervasive in America, you wouldn’t need guns to protect yourself in the first place.
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ΓΡΗΓΟΡΗΣ ΧΡΙΣΤΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ That was in 2001. After that it dropped again so it’s safe to say it’s unconnected with gun laws.
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Elillan Raguparan You didn’t. You had semi-automatic military style rifles banned and it’s a two year buyback program. Australia’s crime rate did not spike in response to the NFA of 1996. Furthermore, any connection with the ban of semi-automatic military style rifles is non existent. Australians don’t use guns for self-defence, much less AR-15s. Never have, never will. Don’t believe everything the gun lobby tells you.
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1ohtaf1 Who said the rate of homicides wasn’t falling and how does that change anything? The rest of your comment is an invention. You made it up.
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In Australia, health care is a right and gun ownership is a privilege. In America, gun ownership is a right and health care is a privilege.
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Uber is more of a threat to him than Crossrail. Even then, you can't transport four million people per day into central London by car. London cabbies will be around for a while yet. They will be replaced when the technology is available (driverless cabs).
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+50L4R You can already do it on Eurostar. Why would it be any better in a Hyperloop?
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1911GreaterThanALL And you fail to see the point that the only people who care about this are the gun lobby. There’s no reason to give a rat’s arse about this when your murder rate - and particularly your gun murder rate - is is drastically out of kilter with any modern western democracy. That is what decides public policy. Getting all wet about a graphic in a video - especially when it is of only marginal interest - is to simply ignore the basic reality that there is a growing resistance to gun lobby terms of reference. It it hardly a major issue compared with the consistent and virulent resistance by the gun lobby to any laws at all, no matter how reasonable. In placing self interest over the rights of people to go about their daily business without being shot, the gun lobby is, in effect, siding with murderers. And you think a graphic showing the wrong type of gun is important? I think there are far more important issues at hand.
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Because they didn’t increase.
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Elillan Raguparan So what? I’m a former shooter and gun owner. Shot everything from black powder to a Bren LMG. Shot ducks and bunnies. Now please explain what you mean when you say violent crime increased after the Australian NFA. What is the connection? I do my own research.
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@ophiofangs6839 You have trouble with reading and comprehension, don’t you? I did not say “misinterpretation”. I said “misrepresentation”, which is what you have been doing from the start. Would you like me to use smaller words so you can keep up? If you want to know something about the interpretation of the second amendment, i suggest you read ”The Opinion” by Justice Antonin Scalia from the 2008 Supreme Court case ”Heller v DC”. It’s very relevant to this and counters your emotionalism very well. It is, after all, the law.
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Or better door locks.
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@StONEDiLESO "My point is, that it's not laws that reduce gun violence, its education, reducing poverty and addressing mental health issues." Disingenuous nonsense. There is no way the American gun lobby is ever going to initiate or support programs to address any of those things. They would be deemed socialist.
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Gary Winthorp Still peddling your pathetic distortions Gary?
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StONEDiLESO I can’t believe I have to explain this. Do you think the gun lobby - the majority of whom are Republican voters - are going to support any government using their taxes for social welfare programs or to reduce inequality? Of course they wouldn’t. That’d be socialism. It’s yet another throw away line they use to avoid doing anything about guns, disingenuous because they’re trying to make out they have a social conscience while all along blocking any reasonable attempts to curb gun violence. Their focus centres around one basic philosophy; their right to own a gun is more important than someone else’s right to go about their business without getting shot. They are condoning murder as a matter of convenience.
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StONEDiLESO Here’s the reality for you: who is going to pay for your massive social welfare programs? Nobody. Start making it much harder to get guns and experience shows that gun crime goes down dramatically.
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spaceninja 43742 There is no reliable evidence that this works. America has the highest rate of gun ownership in the world. America also has a murder rate - and particularly a gun murder rate - that is simply out of kilter with any modern democracy. Public policy can’t be decided by unproven pseudo logic.
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Gary Winthorp Well Gary, you should have no problem providing some links then. And if I used the same definition you’re using, America would have a gun massacre every day. You’re not really that bright, are you? You’re a liar Gary. You’re still using “mass shooting” and “gun massacre” interchangeably in the hope nobody notices. And you still can’t back up your claim that we changed our definition.
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Earl Rudolph They just want the violence to stop.
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Gary Winthorp ratman posted a list of restrictions Switzerland has that the US doesn’t. Then the other guy started deleting his posts. So who is running away?
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Gary Winthorp Calling him “mentally handicapped” is not a valid argument Gary, no matter how many times you say it. Now where are the references to your other claims?
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Alexander Carter Gary Winthorp is a liar.
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Gary Winthorp Only the American gun lobby cares about this. Australian legislators will not be taking dictation from you.
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Yes it did. Don't argue about this with an Australian. And just for comparison purposes, I am five times more likely to be murdered in the United States than in Australia and a staggering twenty five times more likely to be shot.
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Daniel Cadwell Who cares? Oh, the gun lobby. That’s right. The rest of us care about more important things.
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Sammanoya 54 That May be true but it doesn’t invalidate the story.
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Deon Britain’s murder rate is MUCH lower than yours.
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@andybrown6698 "The fact of the matter is Austrailia tried to implement a mandatory gun buyback and less than 1% of the population actually turned their guns in. 1 in 4 people in Austrailia owns a gun. Go educate yourself." Nonsense. The Australian gun buyback was limited to semi-automatic and pump action weapons. Something like 680,000 firearms were destroyed, representing approximately one-fifth of the total number of guns in Australia at that time. And many of the people who turned their guns in took the cash and - quite legitimately - bought new guns. And incidentally, your figure of one in four is wrong. Australia has a population of about 25 million and there are about three million privately owned guns. The average does not tell you that, just like America, gun ownership is highly concentrated and the real figure for gun ownership in Australia is about one in twenty. It's you who needs to educate yourself Bubele.
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Including nuclear war? Sorry. No.
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@michaelf.2449 You should check on that. Not many countries actually formally recognise Taiwan. Almost all of them are in Central America.
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@Winter Yeah, come on Australia! Lift your game. We need to be up there with America! We need to aim for 6.0/100k when the best we can manage is only 1.0/100k.
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@Reimastered Then why does it happen more in the United States than anywhere else? No, don't tell me it's the size of your population. Why doesn't it happen in India or China?
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@YourFriendlyKiller I repeat: The 2.5 million DGUs is bogus. As for your claim that gun laws would disarm the innocent, I might countenance some of that if all Americans owned guns but they don't. The rate of gun ownership since the mid 1970's has gone from 45% of households to around 32% (Pew Research). So, if anything, Americans have chosen to disregard this argument and the concentration of guns in the hands of a small number of people has increased. That is to say, there are people stockpiling guns and that skews the statistics considerably.
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@glidercoach "He's right. It's not a bogus study. It was commissioned by President Obama in 2013 and conducted by the Center of Disease Control at a cost of $10 million." Don't quote that survey to someone who has read it. They didn't do any specific research and only quoted Kleck & Gertz in passing reference (Kleck was a co-author of that CDC report anyway). The CDC was barred from researching gun violence for 18 years. This was because of extensive lobbying by the gun lobby and this was the first report they wrote after the law expired. They are pretty gun shy because if they write anything unfavourable, the gun lobby will make sure they lose funding.
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@kingcarter9975 Yes: a complete fabrication by the American gun lobby, who lie as naturally as they breathe.
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@CommissarKozlov The ONLY people who care about this are gun people. The rest of us care about public policy.
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@redpanda2657 One thing I learnt from reading about things like the Cuban Missile Crisis and Operation Able Archer 83: what if everything we think we know is wrong?
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Then perhaps you could explain why the murder rate in the land of gun freedom is five times that of Australia. And you can forget about blaming mental health and gangs and all those other throw away lines the gun lobby taught you. Here's the reality about safety: a person is five times more likely to be murdered in the United States and a staggering twenty five times more likely to be shot.
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All the more reason to control who owns what. People are dangerous and need to be trained, licensed and tested and their guns registered, just like with cars. You couldn't have made my argument better.
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Ethan Whatsyourname No they didn’t. There have been occasional spikes but there was no trend. Ergo, you can safely say that it had nothing to do with gun laws, especially since Australians don’t use guns for self defence. Never have. This is not “just like America” you know.
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@DIRECT.x.FLUID.x.TRANSMISSION In Australia? Nope. That idiot David Leyonhjelm tried to get the Adler shotgun past but failed. I guess strictly speaking pump actions would be legal but the controls on them are so strict that almost nobody outside of the police or the ADF can access them.
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@abcdef-hg8ro Do you actually understand rates or do you believe everything the gun lobby tells you? Buddy. There was no compensatory increase in murder by other weapons simply because semi automatics were taken out of circulation. Only American gun owners are capable of believing this.
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