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Robert Pruitt Oh for fucks sake. This is not a binary issue of being either in the Boeing or SpaceX camp. This is about looking at this refracted through the history of space travel. All I hear is about how Boeing is getting a free ride and SpaceX is not. All I hear is “I’m a tax payer and this is a travesty”. Until April last year I’d have said SpaceX would be the first to do it. Then their spacecraft blew up on the launchpad. I’ve heard every excuse about why that happened without people acknowledging the fact that it should never happen. Not ever. So when I hear complaints that SpaceX are being treated unfairly I remind people of that fact. SpaceX are being pushed to do this, they are not doing it of their own volition. And still people like you refuse to acknowledge that spacecraft can and frequently are flown under manual control, something astronauts train for. Instead we get these assumptions that they are just helpless lab rats who can only ride the rocket to their impending doom and that Boeing will deliberately risk their lives to save a few bucks. Who can afford to do that? Nobody, least of all Boeing.
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Robert Pruitt You seem to think that astronauts are just lab rats. They are highly trained people with test pilot experience who know how to deal with things like this. The problems of Starliner were nowhere near the magnitude of Gemini 8 with its stuck thruster or Apollo 12, which was struck by lightning 30 seconds after launch, scrambling the computer. Ironically, there was nothing in the Starliner mission that could not have been corrected had there been a crew onboard and they have been forward about saying this.
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Robert Pruitt SpaceX powered landing was never a realistic option. And now, after the explosion of the Crew Dragon on the launchpad last year, it is no longer possible because they had to replace the valves in the fuel lines with burst discs.
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Carl Groover Why not? You’ve paid for a few SpaceX failures. See, this is the kind of thinking that allows people who haven’t read about the history of manned space flight - including the exploits of the Soviet Union and later Russia - and how they deal with problems and what the causes were, to have an opinion that is several magnitudes away from reality. Do you want to send the bill for the failure of Apollo 13 to North American? Should you send the bill for the partial failure of Skylab to Douglas? Who are you going to bill for the Columbia disaster? What about Morton Thiokol and the SRB on Challenger? I’m sorry but sooner or later you have to accept that spacecraft are immensely complex machines - some of the most complex things humans have ever built - and space travel is hard. But this is the internet and everyone gets to have an opinion...
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Carl Groover Your problem is that you think you know what you’re talking about. Do you understand acceptable failure rate?
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@lordgarion514 Dear God, not that old thing again. I hear this all the time. So many people who've decided to take everything SpaceX says - either directly or indirectly - as gospel truth. Tinfoil hat stuff. Do you really think Boeing don't test? You don't need to be in space to test software. That's what simulations were invented for. And it doesn't change the basic fact that any part of any space craft could fail at any time. That includes SpaceX. Their launchpad explosion last year is a classic example. We are talking about a machine that might have three million components in it. If the acceptable failure rate is one in 100,000, then up to thirty components can fail on any given mission. That applies just as much to SpaceX as it does to Boeing.
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Robert Pruitt How would that make any difference to software?
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Robert Pruitt That’s a hardware issue, not a coding issue.
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Robert Pruitt No kidding? Mate I probably know more about bug propagation than you do. You can test code without having to put into orbit. Either there are coding/syntax errors or there aren’t. You’re spending more time passing judgement on me than you spend taking any notice of what I’m saying.
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Robert Pruitt I’m sorry, I didn’t realise we were in a competition for “I know more than you. “Nya, nya.” You seem to have forgotten that Starliner has already launched. Stuff did get tested. I don’t know why I bother with this. It’s always the same spiel for people who didn’t grow up with the space race and get all their info from Ars Technica.
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Robert Pruitt And what do think would have happened had there been a crew aboard Crew Dragon on 20 April last year? There was a 100% probability they would have been killed.
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@lordgarion514 Then don't go into space at all. You seem to have missed the bit where space travel is dangerous. You have also completely ignored what I said about acceptable failure rate. But if you get all your information from Ars Technica, I suppose I shouldn't be surprised.
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Robert Pruitt And you seem to have forgotten that they have already launched. You’re just repeating yourself. I don’t know what evidence you think I’ve given that “they shouldn’t”. This just the same interminable disregard for anyone who isn’t SpaceX that I see all the time on Ars Technica. I’ve read all this bumf before, written by more and better. It’s mostly hollow and uninformed.
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