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What people like Kate never seem to understand is that there is more to a nation's prosperity than GDP (or even worse, than global GDP). If you shut down the British car industry, everyone in Dagenham ends up on welfare, but cars imported from Japan are 20% less expensive, is that really a better economy? This is the view that free trade zealots take. "oh, those workers will all just retrain into a profession more in line with Britain's comparative advantage" they say, but that isn't really true, is it?
It also ignores non economic factors like national security, in a world war, most of Britain's modern GDP would go up in smoke overnight "muh accounting, muh legal services, muh international finance, muh arts and culture, muh shopping", whereas a country like Russia, who on paper has a smaller economy than ours, in reality has a vastly larger real economic production, churning out fuel and energy resources to power their economy, primary resources like wood and steel and fertilizer to run agriculture and construction, military equipment to defend itself with etc, and huge surpluses of these things that it can trade with other nations. All things that become vastly more valuable in a situation of global conflict. Russia has survived an all out Western economic blockade vastly better than predicted, whereas if Britain were subjected to the same thing, our economy would collapse practically overnight.
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There are strategic industries Britain should have. We should be making our own steel, we should have megaports and shipyards building container ships, we should have one fo the world's biggest merchant navies etc. There are things that this country should be doing, even if they aren't strctly "economically rational" and therefore need to be subsidized, because they make long term sense and provide synergy with other parts of our economy. As they say, we aren't as big as America, so we still need to trade internationally, so what we need to focus on is self sufficiency in our ability to trade with anywhere in the globe (i.e. by having a massive merchant navy, shipbuilding capability, a dominant maritime insurance industry, massive megaports and a powerful blue water navy.)
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@smillner771 Actually there are. The areas Russia took, the Crimea and the Donbass, overwhelmingly back being with Russia versus Ukraine.
And liberal ideologues don't seem to understand that there are nuances to issues. Is it "justified"? By what measure? To what degree? The examples you used show that you instinctively understand that yes it is to some extent justified, because the examples you use are ones where there are shared bonds of history, culture and ancestry that do provide some level of justification. Everyone knows that it would be more outrageous of China to invade Australia or Japan than to invade Taiwan, because it doesn't have those bonds with them.
And in any case, the point is that they are much more justified than the neoliberal globalist world police are. Because let's be clear here, Ukraine is currently under American political occupation, as it has been since Joe Biden was sent there as "point man" to basically run the country after the "revolution" (totally not a Western backed coup, just a coincidence that the first thing they did after their revolution was to call the US State Department to ask it to take charge of their country for them).
The people who run America have spent the last 30 years savaging countries they have zero historical connection to, half way across the world from them, on made up pretexts, to assert total global hegemony. Serbia, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya. (and they tried Syria and wanted Iran too). The don't get to lecture the rest of the world about "sovereignty" lol.
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Everything you say is a total lie. Russia is currently obliterating the majority of Ukrain'es armed forces, as was its goal from the start. The stuff about indiscriminate slaughter and Grozny is nonsense, sources at the DIA (a lot more qualified than some raving nutjob like you) have publicly called out such lies.
And pariah state lol, again, you realize outside of the West, no one cares about this don't you? The Saudis won't even return Biden's calls, the Indians have told British diplomats to take a running jump, the Pakistani Prime Minister literally went for a visit in Moscow a couple of weeks back, the Chinese are calling out Western hypocrisy, Brazil and South Africa are refusing to cut Russia off. People like you think anyone the Western liberal elite doesn't like is a "pariah state", but the West doesn't get to decide that any more, that's the reason for this hysterical reaction being ginned up from people like you.
And tell me, you must be a committed anti-war activist right, not just some deranged media programmed lemming? So you must have been railing against what the Saudis have been doing in Yemen for the last five years, right?
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Just to note. The Indian government would refer to Rishi Sunak as a "Non Resident Indian", or "NRI" - so they define someone who is not Indian by birth, or citizenship, or residency, as Indian, purely on the basis of his ethnic ancestry being Indian. Similarly, the Chinese diaspora across South-East Asia, be it in Malaysia or Vietnam, are referred to by the Chinese government as "Overseas Chinese", again, they refer to people who were born and raised and have citizenship in Malaysia, as Chinese. Why? Because they have Chinese blood, so they remain Chinese no matter where they were born or what citizenship they hold. No one calls these countries racist, and yet if we use a similar (actually less stringent standard, since we're not denying them British civic identity, merely reserving our own ethnic nations of English, Scottish, Welsh and Irish to our kin), we are.
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"Will Putin surrender" this is the trouble when neoliberal/neocon globalists imbibe too much of their own propaganda. Totally out of touch with reality.
Russia is taking Ukraine to pieces, and the West isn't going to be able to stop it.
This pathetic attempt to maintain Western hegemony by provoking Russia into war and "showing the world who's boss" has utterly failed. The all out financial war has failed, Russia is predicted to grow faster than the UK next year, instead we've deindustrialized Europe. The kinetic war has failed, Russia has absorbed all the wonder weapons the West has provided and is pushing forward. The diplomatic war has failed, the rising world, China, Iran, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia etc have all openly defied Western sanctions and ridiculed our moral posturing.
Edit: just a stupid title, actually the conversation was one of the first in Western media that is acknowledging the reality of how the war is going.
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If we had a serious government, we'd be preparing independent defence situated around our own interests as an island trading nation in a multipolar world. Almost every penny we spend should be going to the navy - the RAF should be turned into a much smaller air defence force, and the army should be cut down to the special forces and territorial army. We don't need to be part of the "liberal world order police force" any more, since despite the delusions of our political elites, that world order is over, so we have no need for an army made for invading Afghanistan or taking on the Russians in Eastern Europe. What we do need however, as a maritime power, is a navy that can defend both our home islands and British merchant shipping around the world, and control strategic points like Gibraltar (and the Chagos island, great job giving that away in the name of kowtowing to the same "Liberal world order" that is currently collapsing). However the insipid morons that still want to cosplay as Winston Churchill are totally unable to think outside the old paradigm, so they will leave us totally unprepared for the REAL future, as they hang onto their delusions that it's still 1991.
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A good example is Russia. Everyone loved to mock them as having a "GDP smaller than Italy", but the thing is, that GDP is "hard", raw material extraction, energy production, heavy industry, military production etc. Whereas ours is "soft", banking, insurance, "culture", accounting etc. Guess what, in a war only one hard GDP matters, soft GDP it is essentially worthless. That's why Russia could withstand the full might of Western economic hegemony being turned on it, whereas the UK would collapse in a week if the same was done to us.
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@danconceptsconveyed6617 Except that's a lie made up by people who want to try to pretend Ukraine losing is somehow winning.
People keep saying "Russia was expected to crush them" but where exactly was that said before the invasion? People seem to say it a lot after the fact as some sort of proof of Russian failure, but I don't remember anyone saying it at the time. Rather pathetic that people have to make up some false narrative to disprove as a way to claim some sort of victory for Ukraine.
Ukraine is the largest country in Europe, with a large population, and the largest standing army in Europe, trained to NATO standards and with the full intelligence and strategic support of the USA behind it, supplied with billions of dollars of equipment by NATO.
Russia deployed a small force less than half of the Ukrainian army, without any aerial campaign preceding their invasion, and is slowly but surely taking ground from Ukraine. Also despite Western propaganda, they've acted with far more restraint than Western invasions ever do, the first thing America does when it attacks a country is destroy civilian infrastructure, whereas in Ukraine the power grid, water, sewage systems and Internet and phone systems have all been left intact, and the capital city has barely been touched.
You claim that's evidence of failure only because you have no idea of the difficulty of such a campaign. For comparison, America was too scared to mount a ground invasion of Serbia in the 1990s, a country vastly smaller and weaker than Ukraine, instead bombing it from the air for months until it was no longer capable of resisting.
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Amazing how the "sovereignty and democracy respecters" at the Spectator are suddenly fine with violent overthrow of an elected government by a few thousand leftist protesters in the capital city, as long as it serves the geopolitical interests of neoliberal globalists in the West.
Should we support Extinction Rebellion or BLM overthrowing the British government? What a farce all this talk of "Ukrainian sovereignty" from you clowns is, the West either controls national governments, or if it doesn't, it brands them "authoritarian", or "rogue state", or "terrorist" or whatever pretext it needs to subvert (hence the opposition to this law which makes EU and US funding of subversion more difficult), regime change, sanction, bomb or invade as necessary to achieve its obectives.
There's no principle behind people like you, it's just naked power. But power in service of what? Not British or Western greatness, but the GloboHomo empire of degeneracy promoted by the left, that for some reason Western conservatives support. Gay pride marches in Kiev, BLM protests in Poland, open borders for Hungary.
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It really is so dumb, because one of the last USP's Britain has is still being associated with class, refinement, luxury etc. Rich people want to buy British luxury clothing, jewellery, property, use our public schools, private banking etc etc, "playground for the rich" really is a national strength (because guess what, lots of the world's most powerful and connected people spending time in your country networking with each other provides huge advantages. It is pure spite to say "who cares, let them leave!" over policies that don't even provide the broader country with any real benefits.
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