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Comments by "" (@mukrifachri) on "What happens after a city removes a freeway?" video.
There's the downtown exit of the I-5 though...
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@Xenomorph-hb4zf Housing prices are much higher where there are good public transit (read : rail-based, not saying that busses doesn't work but there's a magnitude of difference in their capacity) since it's a lot closer to the city, and usually people want a house on land rather than apartments (the apartments are massively overpriced as well however so it's understandable why people would seek a land house instead since they will nominally own it). I do live where there's a rail station nearby, and I can tell you I probably won't be able to afford the house had I been a young working couple who's just recently looking to buy a house. Decades ago this was the edge of the city, and that's when my family moved in, but it's now a fairly desirable part of the city and prices are a lot higher than when it started, even counting for inflation. And that's the best scenario. For some radial directions from the city barely any public transit exists, yet the house prices are as high if not higher.
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Not just '3rd world' countries. Many developing countries' population still see car ownership (arguably dependence) as a form of new freedom and status rather than losing the option to do things without a car. And it's not helped with the gov't basically having little to no money to throw around - here where I live we've been building tollroads mostly (which are done through concession so it's technically not the govt's pocket), not a lot of major public transit. Even where there are new public transit they serve existing areas - the tollroads meanwhile are reaching further and further to the edge of the city (into the countryside), turning more land into housing, which would suffer from only being viable if you have a personal vehicle yourself.
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The only proper beachfront of Tokyo is at Odaiba though - which is a new island (well the beach is on the new island, "Odaiba" itself refers to the much older sea fortification) and is designed away from the expressways. Basically they destroyed their waterfront through the 60s and 70s only to build a new waterfront again in front of it in the 80s and 90s. Also their expressways barely exceed 2 lanes each way most of the time, unlike US highways which have like 5 lanes each way minimum. (they have stupidly massive surface roads though.)
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@Jay-ho9io Yeah, to be fair there's a difference in aspect socially (which neighborhood were the highways built through) and physically (the size of the highways itself and the placement ie. elevated or at-grade or covered). Over there they redid the "slums" into housing complexes instead post-war. (and even then it's not really slums either - it's traditional housing that has been ravaged in the war and haven't really been properly fixed/reconnected with services.) There's probably some social aspect but it is a lot more difficult to navigate through it.
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@Jay-ho9io Language barrier is real, sadly. And then cultural barrier. Free resources in english are pretty scarce. They see things in a different way, and currently they're suffering from a completely different problem.
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@Jay-ho9io Nah, the decision regarding the way how they developed back in the 60s and 70s had a different aspect completely, although to be fair the decade after that saw the more pressed parts of the society themselves gained a much more respectable status. The other, modern problem is simply one of not enough young population, clashed with the generally perceived-as-difficult integration of non-Japanese... pandemic is just more tree stump on the road.
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@UzumakiNaruto_ Tokyo doesn't have the 12-lane 401 or 8-lane/10-lane 407 though. The expressways are all tolled to ridiculously high tolls (tell me 13USD toll isn't high), they are much narrower and twistier (limits the speed people would do on it), and like you said yourself, most people can as easily do stuff with the public transit (railways and metros at that) rather than driving a car and using the highway. And even with all that being said they're still planning to finally bury the Shuto Expwy. C1 loop over Nihonbashi into a tunnel. They know that they lost something with the elevated expressways, and now they're looking to get it back. I'll always defend that their surface roads (esp. the major boulevard throughfares) are waaay too large though. Far cry from what mobility looks like in NL or the nordic countries, or even post-pandemic Paris.
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@UzumakiNaruto_ Large vehicle RTAs and long pedestrian wait times are literally the plots of a few stories from there. They might have the right idea separating trucks from pedestrians by making them use the expressways but the large roads are still a problem.
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@detroitcoffeeartdetroit6502 Fact that nearly all of it is piers kinda give away the industrial-commercial nature of it though.
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Kind of wondering if they could move the ferry terminal as well further south. Would at least help the extra length of 'major' road on the redeveloped waterfront. Also I think they can get away with a smaller road on the rest of the waterfront - there's the downtown I-5 exit still... perhaps something like better traffic regulation as well (ie. trucks only or no trucks at midday or so). Though considering the 4-lane tidal part of I-5... maybe that needs addressing first, make sure demands are controlled as well for the reduced capacity.
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Berlin have the BAB104 though. A glimpse of "what it could've been", only for the worst case scenario.
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Because that's where there aren't people's houses. Japan took it to the extreme - their first expressway (and 80 decades before that, their first railway) was literally over the sea. Also in the 19th and 20th century waterfronts are usually heavy with industry or shipping, they aren't the nice beaches we often want them to be today.
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