Comments by "Mat Broomfield" (@matbroomfield) on "Why President Trump Should Free Ross Ulbricht" video.
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@PeterDivine There are SO many good reasons to legalise drugs and so very few to oppose them. You are looking at the worst case scenarios, and extrapolating that to every use of drugs. Conservatives have always done that; rock and roll music, movies, video games, sexual liberation, and drugs. And in every case, your slippery slope has been incorrect. Worse still, you look at the consequences of an ILLEGAL drug trade and assume that that is indicative of a legal but regulated trade. Once you take the illegality away, the vast majority of issues disappear too. Prohibition has NEVER worked to stop anything; only to create criminality surrounding its supply, and add danger to its consumption.
It intrigues me though, usually conservatives fiercely support civil liberties and oppose big government, but on this issue they're fine telling you what you can do with your own body. I'm gonna take a guess that you're pro gun though.
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@PeterDivine The credibility of a person making a statement matters in issues where you either lack the means or the will to fact check their every statement. For instance, if Donald Trump makes ANY claim, I just assume he's lying because he's a habitual liar. Likewise, when a channel is KNOWN for being a right wing propaganda mouthpiece, it is NOT an ad hominem to disregard that channel out of hand. I didn't disregard their arguments because I didn't waste my time watching them.
But, while you're lecturing on terms of argumentation, try this one argumentum ab auctoritate Latin for "Appeal to authority" aka "Argument from authority" "a form of argument in which the opinion of an authority on a topic is used as evidence to support an argument." When the authority you appeal to is biased, ignorant, and a liar, then it is an invalid form of argumentation.
If you want to make a case personally, make it, but if you're going to cite others as supporting your position, don't cite conservative media mouthpieces - cite impartial experts on the relevant subjects. And EVEN THEN, the fcat that you can cite a single example to support your argument but there are dozens of counter examples, you would not be convincing.
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@LamiNalchor "However, countries that have a few drugs legally accessible usually have an additional, huge underground drug scene," I'd like to see your citations for that. As I understand it, states that legalised marijuana found usage actually dropping. Also, the greatest number of drug deaths in modern America have been caused by legally overprescribe opiods.
I agree, it's a multifaceted problem, but again, for me, it reduces do to your personal liberties. If the only victim is you, why SHOULDN'T you take drugs? The state should not exist to serve as a parent, ring-fencing how you can live your life. As you recognise, the associated criminality arises primarily due to the illegal status and resulting black market.
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@LamiNalchor "There's no doubt that the high street has been" No, absolutely not. When drugs are misprescribed, and addiction created in those who were unaware that they were taking an addictive substance, that's a totally different situation. I doubt that a single person ever used crack cocaine or heroin not already knowing that it was addictive and could ruin your life.
"a society is a community that has to function as such?" So does that mean that from birth, each person on this planet is obligated, like some worker drone, to know their place and act accordingly? I'm sorry, but I just don't accept that premise. Every person on this planet, should have the right to live by their own standards insofar as they do not impinge upon the rights of others to do likewise, and even then, I would say that any impingement needed to be viewed as a significantly greater evil.
When it comes to drugs, all anyone has is opinion. However, there are grander principles related to personal autonomy that are trampled in your perspective. I asked earlier where the limits of govermental oversight should end, yet you declined to answer this most critical and fundamental of questions.
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@LamiNalchor "The definition of when your freedom is causing harm for others can not be defined precisely." It may be slightly fuzzy at the borders, but not much. If it upsets a person to know that some people enjoy drugs, should the user stop taking them for instance? No, because the Karen's emotional issues are for HER to resolve, just as they would be if the Karen didn't think black people deserved to be treated equally.
It primarily comes down to the definition of "harm." Off the top of my head, I consider harm to be only direct physical or social damage done as a direct result of drug use. For instance, if hospitals are overwhelmed with dying drug users, or drug users are consistently violent, or they die in such high numbers that families are traumatised. But even then, we don't apply that standard to smoking, drinking, eating bad food, or engaging in risky behaviour, so why should drug use be a special case?
I think that you keep hiding behind "functionality of a society" to avoid addressing the real issues of civil liberties.To co-opt Milton Freedman “A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” In this case, you are so preoccupied with what you perceive to be the social good of protecting it and the user, that ignore the far greater issue of personal liberty.
I will concede one point you made - "Many people, especially less educated ones, know little about the effects of drugs, particularly party/designer drugs." I don't know if this is the case, but nor am I certain that it is not.
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