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  40. Candle maker here, and ignoring your patronising tone from start to finish, you are misleading and factually wrong on LOTS of the points made throughout this video. Candles should not produce soot if they use the correct wick for the candle size, type of wax, and scent load (the ratio of scent to wax). If they are producing soot, it is likely because the wicks are burning the material too fast. Paraffin is used because it is harder, making it suitable for use in what is known as a "pillar candle," ie, a self supporting candle. Scent throw does NOT mean a candle's ability to hold a scent - it's how well the scent is distributed. Hot scent throw is how well it distributes when lit, cold scent throw is kind of like using the unlit candle as an air freshener or diffuser. Better to have LESS paraffin in a soy blend, than all paraffin. You're completely wrong about beeswax being the only other option. Coconut wax is at least as common, and there are other vegetable blends for scented or coloured wax. In Europe, there are strict labelling regulations that cover the fragrance oils as well as the wax. Candles exploded in popularity during covid, when sales increased 800%. This was partly because many people were staying indoors to enjoy them, and partly because many people were making them as hobbies. You've built a narrative about the entire industry based upon your experiences with a single business. That would be like building your picture of the burger industry based upon McDonalds. Females AND males enjoy scented candles because they create a pleasant ambience. They are absolutely no different to an air freshener in that regard.
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  392. Couldn't disagree more. Whenever someone is being urged to vote, it's not voting that they are being urged to do, but participation in the political process, and that necessarily means educating yourself at least nominally on the issues. Whenever I hear arguments of your type, I always harken to the line in the second Lord of the Rings movie when Aragorn notices Eowyn practicing sword fighting. He comments upon it and she replies words to the effect of "The women of Rohan learned long ago that women who do not wield a sword can still die upon them." A more modern reworking would be "pacifists can still be killed by the enemy." Just because you choose not to participate in democracy does not mean that you are safe from the effects of the thing you chose to abstain from. Your primary means of changing the system is participation. That means either entering politics yourself, or using your vote to control the players. No matter how much you find its players and policies repugnant, you accomplish NOTHING but being an NPC. You can stand on the sidelines and whine afterwards, but you accomplish virtually nothing. Brexit is a very unique situation because paradoxically (and showng unusual characater), two of the parties are actually standing on principle against the express wishes of the (fractional) majority, to the detriment of their own re-electabilibilty because they are doing what they were ACTUALLY elected to do; represent the best interests of the British people as they see it.
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  2571. maddkiller No, you are mistaken, and you hint at why in your response. The problem is not CAPACITY but DISTRIBUTION. There is plenty of food but it is not grown where it is needed because conditions in those places often does not lend itself to massive food growth. The reason that much money is invested into new farming methods, is because higher yields, enable even places with imperfect conditions to feed more  people. Furthermore, GM crops can be engineered to grow in places that would not normally sustain them. Another problem is the ECONOMICS of food growth. In the Philippines for instance, there was PLENTY of food, but demands for biofuel by a newly environmentally aware China and the west, meant that their staple food was worth more to the growers for fuel, than food. Britain is an example of a country that had plenty of arable land but gave it over to other purposes, to such an extent that Britain is no longer capable of sustaining itself. But, because we are a wealth nation, we trade off our wealth and import from other places. If push came to shove, our luxury and dairy industries could be converted back into arable land, as could that used across the planet for staples. You talk about California's dry season, and that illustrates m point perfectly, because only one of California's top ten crops (rice) could remotely be considered a staple crop, the rest are luxury foods - grapes, walnuts, almonds, lemons and apples. The real staple (corn)  in America are grown in states like Idaho, Nebraska, Iowa etc,  and wheat (Dakota, Kansas and Oklahoma). There have always been intermittent dry seasons - the Biblical story of Joseph was inspired by a supposed 7 year dry spell. As much as global warming may make parts of the planet less optimal for one crop, them make them good for others, and new areas additionally become useful. I don't know what the balance is there, but simply screaming "global warming" is as misleading as simply saying "we're all going to starve". I repeat, the problem is NOT the shortage of food, but where and how it's grown, and WHAT is grown. Furthermore, the politics of nations such as Zimbabwe, called the breadbasket of Africa until Robert Mugabwe started driving out white farmers, is also a factor. NONE of these are about global over-population, but of improper allocation of resources, inadequate political will, global growing trends, and more. There is PLENTY Of  food, but those who are starving cannot get to it because they are poor or politically powerless.
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  3004. I appreciate your calm opinions but I disagree. I didn't say that one's income had to be EQUAL to the cost of one's basic needs. Indeed, I was suggesting (perhaps not clearly enough it seems) that it is the SURPLUS beyond one's basic needs that determines standard of living. You seem to be implying that I was talking about subsistence which I was not. You go on to talk about our standard of living being higher than at any time in history but when has that NOT been the case? Standard of living is ALWAYS compared against the standards of the day, not how the cavemen lived, or people at some other arbitrary point in the past. Wages are not the primary driver of inflation. Wages in America have been almost stagnant for decades yet inflation has continued which is precisely why people's wages in real terms are worth far less. Inflation is driven by many things but the two primary causes are when demand exceeds availability (demand pull), and when material or energy prices rise and increase manufacturing cost (cost push). Higher wages can factor INTO cost push but are not a major cause in the US. You say that production is the primary driver of goods and services, by which I presume you mean production VOLUME. I think that is also simplistic. Oil is produced by the billions of barrels yet prices remain high. I realise you say "All other things being equal" but that's like saying "provided I don't die of something, I'm going to live forever!". All other things are NEVER equal. Demand is also massively important. If I produce a trillion Penny Farthing cycles, the cost per cycle will be high because nobody wants penny farthings. I'm curious - you suggest that this also applies to services. Can you provide an example where this is the case? If there are a million car washes, that drives the cost down to consumers TEMPORARILY, but the markets ALWAYS auto level whether labour pay is regulated or not because there's too much supply and insufficient demand (back to that demand pull.) I'm unsure why you're talking about price controls. I am not talking about the price at which you sell, simply the cost of labour required to produce it. So far as Europe and most civilised countries are concerned, if you cannot afford to pay a living wage and still sell your goods, then you should not be in business. Things cost a certain amount to make. We are willing to to pay a certain amount for them, and that's how commerce works. Global markets with lower costs of living and lower employment standards complicate that (which is why I think every government should apply the same standards to foreign suppliers and labour). You also say that companies pay a minimal wage because the system is in place that allows them to do that. That sounds awfully like Trump suggesting that he is smart because he's a tax evader or a car thief claiming that they only steal cars because cars have doors that allow them entry. If social safety nets did not exist, then what? Well, you'd have car washes full of Venezualan workers who live 20 to a house to keep the costs down and can afford to earn $4 an hour, and low skilled US workers would be jobless.
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  3005. I don't believe you are being honest if you think that most people are well off. Many people are working three jobs - not because it's fun, but because it's the only way to make ends meet. America has some of the higest levels of poverty in the civilised world, and that definition includes going to bed hungry. As many as 100 million Americans - a third of the population lives in poverty. In 2011 15 million FAMILIES were living on less than $2 a day before assistance. Ironically, as well as large amounts of food, obesity arises because of cheap calories . You talk about the rising standard of living but it reflects the changing nature of society. When I was a kid, having a phone and a TV were considered luxuries. Nowadays, there are plenty of places where it's essential to own a car and not having a smart phone will soon be disabling. this applies particularly in rural areas where poverty is also at its highest. You say that it's not how much you earn but the spending power that gives you. That's a fair point, and you back it up by pointing to all the cheap stuff you can buy. Again, a fair point If the goal of life was to fill your life with cheap stuff. Unfortunately, rent, rates, utilities are NOT cheap stuff - they're essentials. There's no Chinese kid working in a sweat shop to knock 50% off your rent. Yeah, you can buy a phone for $50 or 40 inch TV for $300, but if your rent and utilities take up 95% of your income so what? I'm sure you've heard the statistic that 90% of Americans would be wiped out by a $500 emergency. And that's not counting the inevitability of medical costs at some point. Are you seriously trying to argue that food stamps actually INCREASE the price of food?! Ridiculous. Stores don't price their goods simply to accommodate people on welfare, and what welfare recipient would shop at the more EXPENSIVE store given the choice? And where is the logic in increasing your prices for those families who are least able to pay? I agree with you wholeheartedly that there is a catch 22 situation for people who genuinely want to break their dependence on welfare because there is a wide band of income where working does not improve your finances. This is an argument for smarter welfare policies such that even if you only earn a dollar, you don't immediately get a full dollar deducted from life-saving assistance. But I don't see the relevance to assuring a minimum wage. A reasonable day's pay for a day's work is not welfare, it's fair recompense. If a man working a 40 hour week cannot afford to pay his reasonable bills, then something is seriously wrong. This is not reliance on government programs. Quite the opposite. The reliance comes from a laissez faire (sp?) approach to pay. And I didn't say that every country should have the same labour regulations. Simply that suppliers to US companies should be held to the same ethical standards - safe work, no child labour, a living wage. The US should not mitigate its own poverty problems by exploiting the third world. And yes, I know that Sowell would doubtless point out that having a desperately bad paying job is better than having no job for these people, but is that SERIOUSLY how low we're going to set the bar? By that standard, having cancer in 90% of your body is better than 100% right?
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  3693. ***** Where are you squeamish? I just quoted you trying to distance yourself from the atrocities  of the conflict. When asked if you were proud of bombing Christian Serbs, you responded: "Are you saying I personally bombed people? " "I'm not really sure how YOU can comment sir, as at the time, you were at home playing super nintendo and masturbating." As for this silly comment SON, I had already completed my service in the army BY THE TIME you were killing innocent civilians in Kosovo, so I suggest that you be careful with your assumptions. And I've never been a rapist either, but I can tell you categorically that it is wrong. You seem to  be suggesting that you have some special understanding because you were a combatant in Kosovo. How much of the geopolitics did you understand before going in? How many of the tactical decisions were you privy too? I suspect that you no more understood the big picture, than a termite understands everything about the colony simply because it lives there. You were most likely a drone; an expendable weapon, sent to do the work of  politicians. If you saved some lives and met some grateful people, then well done. I was never criticising your role or the war, I was merely pointing out that you cannot claim pride for the collective achievements of the army when it suits you, then want to be viewed as an individual soldier when called on the atrocities committed by that collective when called on those. If you didn't kill innocent Christians in Kosovo it is unlikely that you avoided it out of some principled stance, but merely because you were not called upon personally to do so.
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  3740. ***** He didn't "butt in" - he joined the conversation. The other guy was not "ranting". He had a perfectly reasonable point that whilst men bear the financial responsibility for children for 18 years, they get NO say at all in whether or not those children get to be born ONCE the woman has become pregnant, yet SHE gets to choose to abort his child or condemn him to 18 years of financial servitude that will often cripple him and his future family. "You guys act like dogs on heat" Really? Well a dog on heat still needs a bitch to fuck, so maybe if you girls kept your legs together... "you were more than willing while you were doing it but not willing to step up and pay child support " Men want a fuck, not a twenty year sentence! Of course they're not willing, because they have no say in the decision. It's like me buying a car without asking, and then complaining that you're not willing to pay for fuel forever more simply because you rode in it once. Every word you say, just shows your sense of female entitlement. And the saddest thing is, you don't even know you're doing it. Nonsense like you are speaking, is exactly why so many men refuse to get involved with women at all, and would sooner masturbate to porn than risk meeting a woman with your values. And then, incredibly, women exactly like you, whine that men don't want to date you, as though you had no part in their growing mistrust of women and hatred of a system grossly tilted in your favour. As for abortion, I share your distaste, and would prefer it if women did not, but it's not as simple as yes or no. There's a lot of nuance in that debate.
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  4307.  @timingmile7030  Men DO hold each other accountable. And yet again, you are blaming men. How about if I say "It's time for women to hold each other accountable for the majority of child murders that they commit?" You'd rightly be outraged. The LAW opposes rape and murder. Men in prison treat rapists and murders incredibly harshly. There's no place in society where a rapist or murderer would not be a pariah. Children of both sexes are taught that violence is wrong from the earliest age both at school and home. What more do you think "men" should be doing? As for the law being consistent in locking violent men away, that's a complicated subject. I don't entirely disagree, but that's not entirely the law, that's social workers who turn up at court with sob stories. Ironically, due to an excess of compassion - a trait which, I would point out, tends to be associated with WOMEN not men. Face it, women have NEVER and will NEVER be 100% safe alone. Just like you can never be 100% certain that you will not be attacked by a dog while you are out. But it's incredibly rare. Looking at the 1 in a million exception and using that to make broad declarations about society in general is unreasonable. Each of us needs to take sensible steps to ensure our own safety. This woman's horrible murder is a tragedy. I just don't know what else can reasonably be done. If this was YOUR town, would you be willing to sacrifice other services services to place monitored cameras along every inch of footpaths? If it was your son at school, would you be satisfied with him being assigned collective responsibility for all attacks, or taught as a teenager that he is a potential rapist?
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  4803. maddkiller You said "then most of where we grow our crops will be completely useless in the next 100 years " That's completely untrue. At MOST sea level is expected to rise 1.5 metres over the next 100 years, whereas the average height of the land is 840 meters! " but the evidence is clear" then present the EVIDENCE, not simply your opinion. You act as though I am a climate change denier, which I am not. But do you even know for certain that the majority of EXISTING crops on this planet do not grow BETTER in a slightly warmer climate? Given that plants respirate C02, more in the atmosphere might be better for them, not worse. And if some existing crops do suffer, do you know whether the STAPLE crops are amongst that group? Just think - all the staple crops: grains and rice, grow in the hottest parts of their countries, far inland. And why have you even MADE this conversation about climate change? I'll tell you why, because you had NOTHING to back up your claims that the planet was overpopulated, nor that there was insufficient food, so instead, you have to do the usual thing of running around waving your hands and claiming that the sky's metaphorically going to fall in. The FACTS as they stand, is that we have enough food and enough growing land to keep the whole planet comfortably well fed. Population is falling in western nations to such a degree that some of them fear the sustainability of their social security systems when old people outnumber the young. Even China,  the most populous nations on earth, has eased off enforcing it's single child policy. Even without that, the birth rate is only 1.5 children per family, so the population is FALLING. Education and economics changes population growth. As people become smarter, they no longer want their lives weighed down with loads of kids. Better agriculture, fairer distribution, and less politics could mean that NO-ONE on this planet ever goes to bed hungry. But instead, selfish scum (and this is something we DO agree on) would sooner acquire more wealth than they can possibly spend, whilst sacrificing the people that they are supposed to serve.
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  4922. +Kerns Noel (DePhoegon) You've seen plenty of cases of INDIVIDUAL women lying up a storm, but 40 of them?! Against the same man? With nothing to gain? Give me a break! I'd be the first to suggest an open mind, but there comes a point when giving him the benefit of the doubt strains all credulity. And I might add, that balance of probability is the only requirement in a CIVIL case. But don't worry, rule of criminal law, LEGALLY innocent until proven guilty, which he cannot be now. Even though he should have faced charges decades ago but was protected. I would not send him to prison without evidence, but these women HAVE been wronged, and they have an absolute right to tell the world of that. And we the public, have a right to form opinions based upon their claims. And based on the balance of probability, I, and millions of others, would never buy a Cosby movie or watch one of his stand ups. That's all we can do to vote with our wallets. And the very fact that there is no link between the victims is precisely what makes them so credible. Different women, different time periods, different motivations and personalities. Some of them have nothing to gain and everything to lose by making these allegations. The fact that this is not a story where the "victims" have all colluded to get their stories straight gives it power. I share your fears about false allegations as the weapon of modern men haters, but if you genuinely believe that more women make false rape allegations than are genuinely raped, you are desperately out of touch. Yes, the cases you cited were all true (as were the frats that DID rape girls), but your examples are faaaar from the norm.
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  4995. AugustanFinn You say "this problem is stretching from Kenya to India to Russia never mind the Middle East" Then in the next paragraph you argue that "Our drones don't create more terrorists." So where has this global terrorist conspiracy grown out of? Love for the all the great things the US has done? "We bombed and killed many Germans in Berlin it clearly did not create more Nazis. Neither in Japan." Completely erroneous comparison. Germany and japan were nation states with clear targets. Nuking Nagasaki (needlessly I might add) was to bring pressure on the leadership. Islamic terrorism is an enemy that cannot be bombed into submission because it is completely decentralised, with many autonomous cells operating according to their own agendas. Just like the Republican Guard in Iraq disappeared like smoke when America invaded, terrorists are like cancer cells spread across the planet. And every time America kills innocents, it creates many times more recruits. This is not ME just talking - this is proven fact. How would drone strikes prevent the Boston bombing, the Texas shooting, Charlie Hebdo, 9/11? That anger arises from the way that Muslims see their brethren treated. You speak to ME about a moral compass when YOU are the one who said "That is why I support even illegal detention until we can prove they are not a threat"?! Jihadis believe that they are on a holy war. George Bush was a jihadi. He said that he believed he was doing God's work. Yes there's a difference between jihadis and innocents. I have NO problem with detaining or droning TERRORISTS. But when you go to a foreign nation, abduct their citizens, incarcerate them FOR DECADES outside the US legal system, only to admit that they were in fact innocent, and THEN you refuse to release them because now they might have a genuine reason to be pissed off, then you have NO right to talk about morality. "I support methods taken by all countries no matter how harsh or brutal they are in order to thwart more potential attacks against their people." That's it then. You have demonstrated that you do not care about right or wrong, or even about wise or unwise, so long as you can give yourself the illusion of safety. In which case, don't speak to me about morality. You remind me of the Texan governor who once said "I'd sooner execute 9 innocent men, then let 1 murderer get away with it."  All that matters is YOUR safety. "I honestly don't care what people think about America.The Jihadis don't,ISIS sure doesn't." You SHOULD care. The attitude of the Muslim world is what produces these terrorists. It's IRRELEVANT what ISIS thinks - they're ignorant savages who kill children. And you seem to think that whatever they do, is fair play for you to do as well. We're better than that. We're supposed to be the ones who have developed BEYOND such barbarity.
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  5194.  @chrisw9534  "Who needs three jobs in order to survive?" People living in cities with high rents and below a living wage. Employees at Walmart or McDonalds for instance. "This has been a problem for humans since the dawn of humanity." So were wild animals eating you, high infant mortality and tuberculosis. Humanity moved on and these things were largely eliminated. The fact that you can say "Some people fall ill. That's life. " without also asking "So how can we minimise that suffering" pretty much tells me all I need to know about you. "One way to do that would be to reduce the power and influence of government. You okay with that?" The libertarian fantasy. I really wonder if you guys have seriously contemplated this at all when you spout this argument. WHENEVER there is less regulation, companies exploit it to the detriment of the public. Polluted rivers, dangerous work environments, poorly tested products, less concern for investors. In a deregulated world, the ONLY winners are the business owners. Where have you EVER seen less regulations on corporations leading to greater consideration and better behaviour? "That would be a better solution than to have the government punish everyone else in order to inefficiently "help" those people." Again, as selfish as you are short sighted. In study after study, a larger, better educated labour force means more money to put into the economy. I know that you'd love to seal yourself up in a fortress on your own private island, but when you do, and it's attacked, or you want to use the public roads, or a tornado wipes you out, don't turn to the rest of us with a sad expression and your hand out begging for help.
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  5196.  @MilwaukeeF40C  You make a very fair point about over-regulation. I see it a little like being a social justice warrior - those guys started off with noble intentions: equality, protecting animals, kids and the planet, but the more successful they became, the more they majored on minors, and now they're reviled by many people. That is simply the pendulum nature of human interaction. We should beware of it, but it's no reason not to aspire to reasonable conditions. You ask "What happened to all the shoe shine stands? What happens if you decide to repair small engines in your garage? What happens to kids who sell lemonade?" The children running them could afford to go to school, safety legislation ensured that people who may not be qualified were acting as mechanics, and safety standards said that you had to be certified safe to make food. Arguably, the latter two were overreaches, and you could doubtless have an interesting conversation with lawmakers about why those things became harder. "figuring things out during industrialization. Before that, people had it no easier for thousands of years being peasants and nomads. The wealth people earned doing dangerous shit in the early industrial revolution did far more to allow people to improve their situations, and enable children to NOT work as they had for thousands of years, than any government regulation. Business owners actually figured out that children aren't that productive as technology advanced." Absolutely disagree. Employers would HAPPILY be still sending children down into dangerous mines for a $2 a day if they could get away with it. The fact that they did so for thousands of years shows how little they care about people. It was the growth of democracy, worker empowerment, and a government that represented the majority, not just the ultra-wealthy business owners that brought about change. And now we're about to hit the robotics revolution, where companies will again show their absolute contempt for social wellbeing in the interests of saving a few dollars. "People who live in cities aren't deprived at all." Demonstrably untrue. In almost every first world city on the planet, blue collar and low skilled workers labour under high rents, high living costs, high rates, high services costs and more. It's worst for working colass families who have lived there for multiple generations and seen these cities grow around them. "Cities have a tendency to be expensive. Housing shortages are always caused by government." Only if you consider that preventing developers from throwing up shanty towns on every square millimetre and ghettoising every city is a bad thing. Otherwise, you could reasonably argue that housing shortages are caused by a range of factors including gentrification, the focus of corporate activity in the cities, and land sparcity. "ICC and CAB." I'm getting cricket and taxis...
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  5263.  @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket  Wow, what's your problem? No, I don't claim to own the entire estate "My estate" means the estate on which I live. Way to deliberately misunderstand. "I hate explosion free means of heating that's cheaper on average" Riiiight, because that's the only factor. My estate is about 50 years old. Global warming was not an issue. It has a community heating system fuelled by a giant gas boiler that heats water and the hot water is pumped around the whole estate. It was originally oil-fuelled, but then switched over to gas when there was a massive price shift. Moreover, retrofitting massive heat pumps on houses that were mass constructed to a low budget, and have very little space to actually LOCATE them is no small task. "Throw some solar panels on and use a PWM system and it'll work if the grid goes down (you'll need battery's and a automatic cut off)." Solar panels in Britain are a big scandal. Everyone was told that they would pay for themselves in, I think 30 years, and now it has been discovered that that claim was BS. Solar is fine in areas with consistent sunshine. Britain doesn't have that, and large-scale batteries can only store electric for a relatively short period. It turns out that early generation solar panels are actually a net LOSS. "Anyone building a home without install geothermal heatpumps is literally ripping the buyer off I can't respect someone that buys an inefficient or poorly built home." Who cares about your respect? Indeed, psychologically, your derision is more likely to polarise people away from you, and shut them down from listening to any valuable advice you may have to offer in future. There's a massive housing shortage in Britain. You're lucky to get a house at all, let alone one that meets your standards (laudible though they may be). The government recognises the importance of the issues that you raise, but the laws requiring it have only applied to new builds for perhaps 15-20 years, with the regulations getting stricter and stricter. Post Brexit, perhaps the regulations will be adandoned in favour of the housing developers. Older houses are cheaper, and in many areas, you'd be lucky to afford one at all. There are MANY other factors at play than your criteria. Perhaps when you cease being so sanctimonious, you'll realise that.
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  5616.  @elpeopuru3003  You still haven't identified who "they" are. Some people have used their consumer power to object to some people they strongly disagree with. Do you not think that people should have the right to exercise the only leverage they have to express their feelings on a matter? That said, I am strongly opposed to overreacting cancel culture, but where is the line between consumer power and cancel culture? The fact that the word "fascist" has been misused by a certain class of histrionic people - mostly in or not long out of university does not change its basic meaning. You know what I mean when I use the word. Trump is a fascist because he does not believe in the basic functioning of democracy. He subverts the system, appoints his own yes men, ran the country like a dictatorship, ignored the rule of law, and attempts to crush any opponents. As for Gina Carano - I had heard of the case; I just didn't know her name, you are clearly more of a Disney fan than I am - but even if I had NOT heard of this single trivial incident, it would neither make me ignorant, nor lessen the value of my opinions on other issues, any more than it would lessen yours if you were not up to date on the intricacies of the Joel Greburg case. I don't expect you to have a total awareness of every current event in the country. For what it's worth, I think it's 100% valid for her to lose her job - not because a bunch of people complained about her moronic statements, but because she was a representative of Disney. If she brings them into disrepute, then she is a liability. Professional sports stars have exactly those sort of terms written into their contracts. Try being a player in the NBA and say something outrageous and see what happens. And you don't get to say something offensive, add the words "Sorry no offence" and think that erases what you just said. If you cared about giving not offence, you would have chosen your words more considerately in the first place.
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  5816. Well that was utterly pathetic David. For starters, "legal" is simply a judicially determined rule that has no bearing upon something's "rightness", nor upon the beliefs or values of the people upon whom it is applied. The Social Contract is a concept put forwards by Rousseau, which you butchered. My parents do not have the right to make legal decisions in my childhood that will contractually obligate me to ANYTHING except citizenship as an adult. Rousseau's social contract refers to the agreement of the governed to BE governed providing they receive reasonable value from that governance. Your version amounts to a South Park, redneckian version of "If you don't like it, you can git out," which is about the weakest possible argument that you could make, not least because there is NOWHERE on the planet that you could go to avoid being subject to the taxation of ANOTHER state. Your silly argument about simply not paying taxes is PRECISELY what anti-tax proponents mean when they talk about being forced to pay under threat of violence. It is LITERALLY coercion to obey a rule you had nothing to do with creating and cannot opt out of. As you yourself said, you have almost zero chance of eliminating taxation by lobbying or even standing for office. The strongest argument in favour of taxes is simply that if you wish to avail yourself of the things that taxes pay for, then you need to contribute your fair share to receive those things. The strongest argument against taxes, is the astronomical misuse of those taxes on weapons, vanity projects, needless drug enforcement, despicable politicians and more. Frankly, from a man that I respect and usually agree with, this was an embarrassingly poor refutation of the position of those who oppose taxation.
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  5833. This is the great lie that you've been sold by the Republicans George. They want you to think that your woes are due to your taxes going on immigrants and the poor.The last, completely pointless war cost 20 trillion dollars. That's enough to provide completely free education and health care for several generations. And now Trump want's increase America's nuclear arsenal 10 fold and has just approved a 70 billion dollar spending INCREASE on the military. Even whilst the soldiers from the last one are not being cared for. The working and middle classes are not the problem - the wealthy are. They get ever richer, whilst paying middle America less and less. Wages are lower in real terms now than at any time since the 1950s, yet working hours are up, productivity is through the roof, and workers' right are all but non existent. As for education and healthcare, not every person is dealt cards that allows them to pay for it. Health care costs are predatory, Pharma costs verge on price gouging, and even a relatively minor illness or accident can wipe out your family's cash reserves, savings and even their house. George, the rest of the world works hard. They manage to have affordable socialised healthcare and education. Almost everybody pays into it and almost everyone benefits from it. What's wrong with that? I notice you answered NONE of my points and provided none of your own. Perhaps if you stopped and thought about it, rather than reacting with the script that the Republican mouth pieces have given you, you might see things a bit differently?
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  6388. ***** Who on earth is trying to minimise domestic violence?! "Boys will be boys" is absolutely NO justification for violence against women any more than "Any man who let's his female partner beat him up" is a justification for the 40% of domestic violence incidents that are female on male (and it's telling that you completely ignored that statistic). Who's suggesting that hurting people is acceptable? If that's how you perceive rough-housing then you need to re-examine what it's all about. Quite the opposite. Rough housing teaches males that there are clear boundaries in physical behaviour, and when you transgress those boundaries, there are often immediate unpleasant consequences. True, there IS a category of unpleasant rough-housing, (sack taps, mild torture, pledging, etc) that is all about causing sadistic pain, but this behaviour is often indicative of emotional problems, just as chronic bitchiness is amongst females. The courts are not simply biased against men because men live up to gender roles. The courts are biased against men because they've been conditioned by some feminists to believe that these gender roles are automatically negative. This is the result of a decades long marketing campaign by feminists, as well as a general societal acceptance of the genders' roles in child-rearing. The fact is, men are no less capable of responsibility, no less capable of love, than women in child raising. And if men do tend towards certain behaviours, let's start by asking where those stereotypes are enforced from - could it be their primary caregivers - women? Little boys are taught to suppress their emotions, to be strong, and brave and physical, and this is by their mothers. Then the same women have the temerity to complain that they don't like the way that these boys behave when they grow up! Nobody is suggesting that developing empathy and peacefulness are not laudable goals for society of both genders, but let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater. I have spent 20+years of my life learning to fight, and teaching others of both sexes to do so. My goal is to score a victory, not to hurt the other person. What I do is the epitome of male competitiveness and I love it. That does not make my choice an inferior one. I would never dream of telling a female that she could not become an excellent fighter, nor would I criticise a boy who cried. I am as quick to console a crying male, as to encourage toughness in a female (or vice versa when appropriate). A certain amount of robustness is an essential trait in a human being, but especially males, who face more demanding physical existences. It is both in a male's nature, and part of the societal expectation of a male to be masculine and physically robust (to at least a minimal extent), yet thanks to feminist skewed law and education, these traits are frowned upon in many quarters - until a woman needs someone to pay for her children, when suddenly the biased duty and responsibility cards are pulled out. I'm certainly not saying that women are gold diggers, but I am saying that they are immediately happy to depend upon, and even exploit traditional gender roles when it comes to raising the children that THEIR biological imperative have urged them to produce. I agree 100% with your statement that members of the genders do not fall into perfect gender groups, but just the most cursory glance at society will reveal that the vast majority of women in their 30s are mothers, tend to be the primary care giver and provider of emotional support, and probably are in lower paid jobs, if they work at all. By the same token, because they are the primary wage earners, males work longer hours, get to spend less time with their kids, and are seen as the physical strength in the home. As much as you might wish for some kind of androgynous males, whilst females get to retain all of their innate characteristics, biology is against you. We're living in the far swing of the pendulum, where, in an effort to be fair to all, men are losing their rights. As I believe I said, all I want is a level playing field for both genders, whilst not ignoring the biological differences between us. I want a world where women are treated with respect in the home and the work place, but men are not viewed as monsters because robustness (not violence) is an important part of our psychological make up. Peace and respect to you.
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  6544. vagas99  Your position is utterly inconsistent. You state that even an 18 year old is not mature enough  to have sex (an argument I agree with by the way, but then I don't believe ANY age is mature enough for that decision given the number of unwanted pregnancies, marriage break ups, and messy custody battles). You then go on to explain about the legality of minors having sex with minors, as though that makes it acceptable because both parties are immature. Are you opposed to the ACT of sex, or simply the age of the participants? If you consider that it's okay for two 14 year olds to have sex, then you accept that the sex act is not innately special or wrong, which shoots ANY age of consent laws in the foot (not a position I hold by the way). Pregnancy is more likely to result from minors having sex together. As for your silly closing comment, it's actually religious fundamentalists and people incapable of forming a conclusion based upon reason rather than kneejerk emotionalism who represent the greatest harm to kids on this planet. People like you are the same ones circumcising boys and girls, blowing people up for being the wrong flavour of Muslim, putting  people in prison for decades for using drugs, and advocating  the death penalty. People who are incapable of dispassionate evaluation, and who would rather  appeal to emotion and silly populist rhetoric. The arrogance of self assured view is breath-taking. You don't think that maybe countries that have not been retarded by Christianity might be able to consider such issues as well, if not better than countries whose morality is primarily predicated on a 2/3000 year old book?
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  6579. "By that logic, a green party member should stay away from airplanes, buses, etc." No. My standards are not set at unrealistic and impractically unattainable levels. However, if she used a private jet to go places, rather than public transport, then yes, I would say that that was a terrible example for a green candidate to be setting. "True, a phony who has no intention of holding himself to the same standard he lays on others doesn't have to do that" I don't have to be a nazi to point out the flaws in their behaviour. I am not an environmentalist, nor do I vote green. However, when I am faced with someone who claims that they are so concerned about green matters that they deserve to be POTUS, then it is reasonable that they are held to THEIR OWN standards. "There are plenty of options, such as Communal-based governments" As I said, "not practicably". Moving to another country is not practical for most people, and even if you do, the land you live on will be owned by someone, so you will STILL probably need to participate in capitalism to some extent. "You cannot possibly assume the Greens will operate in such a fashion and they likely will not, due to their Egalitarianism." Perhaps you're right. I have no way of knowing with certainty. But what I do know is that high minded ideas all seem to evaporate once faced with the reality of the position. It seems to me that when stepping into a job that has predefined structural roles, the last thing Stein would have time for, is redefining the very structure of the position, and getting dozens of people vetted. But perhaps that betrays a naivete on my part in not understanding the position. "Which does not even remotely imply that those particular supporters are all registered Green." Kevin, this level of pedentry is really not conducive to productive discourse. It seems increasingly that you are not interested in, merely in earning some kind of brownie points for "winning" every single point. "Apparently they are, since you loudly proclaim that you're not even going to bother to vote" I said no such thing. I am inelligible to vote. They are not the same. "*Face it, Stein is a hypocrite Nope. You've not done one thing to demonstrate this." So standing on a platform of environmentalism, whilst investing money in the greatest offenders AGAINST the environment is not hypocrisy? I can't imagine a clearer example myself. And if protecting the planet against it's most imminent threat is NOT the central tenets of the green party, they should pack up and go home immediately.
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  6756. ***** I realise you have insecurity issues, but if you're going to take on your intellectual betters, I suggest that you at least properly read their posts first before you launch into an needlessly insulting tirade.. In the first instance, at NO POINT have I opposed marijuana usage, nor even argued for its restriction, so I suggest that before you burst a blood vessel, you sit down, take a loooong toke, and learn to fucking read! Next, in what moronic universe do you think that listing all of the other things that can kill you counts as an argument against ANYTHING except the fact that things can kill you, you fucking dimwit? "Bullets in the face are bad, but then oxygen is toxic." Is that really your primary argument? It's not THAT other things are toxic, but HOW toxic you fucking dimwit. One major study from New Zealand suggests that one marijuana cigarette per day increases cancer risk by 8% compared to cigarettes' 7%. Another large study from Africa suggests a 2.4 fold increase in cancer risk. Used moderately, clearly eating butter or drinking water does not come with a comparable health risk. I repeat, I have NOT argued against marijuana use, although if you are an example of what 4 years of use does to the intellect,  perhaps I should. I was simply pointing out that the original poster's self righteous list of arguments were all pretty much invalidated if it can be proven that marijuana is harmful, and it can. Now what don't you go to the corner and reflect on what a total fucking idiot you just made of yourself.
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  6771. ***** It was not cowardice, and certainly not misogyny, but tedium at the invective laden stream of garbage that you were throwing out. Hint: if you have to suffix your counter arguments with "Even if you are right then blah blah blah..." you probably shouldn't even bother with that defence. Buuut, as you seem to have a desperate need to hear uncomfortable facts, here's a fact laden refutation of your 8 points. 1. Facts are not insults. If you find the truth insulting, perhaps you should ask yourself why. 2. My initial post was full of facts. That you choose to ignore or deny them is precisely why I requested citations back from you. 3.  The national office of statistics demonstrates that women take 42% more SICK days off than men. Not family days. Not holidays. SICK DAYS. Due to PERSONAL incapacity. 4. Well let's grant that women DO take time off because they raise families. So what?! As an employer, my bottom line is whether you are available to do the job, not your family concerns. If, for WHATEVER reason, person a requires 42% more time off than person b, then person a represents less of a value proposition than person b. Which was my initial point. 5. Personal issues. Menstruation, whatever. And tell you what, when a significant number of male pilots become moody, irritable and affect workplace harmony once a month, you might have a case, but citing this one man as an example, makes as much sense as me using Eva Braun as an example of average womanhood. 6. I already addressed periods but to elaborate, the fact that women have had periods for a long time, in no way diminishes the disruptive effect that they have when they are having them. Yes they may learn to cope with the discomfort, but a significant number NEVER learn to deal with the mood changes and MANY DON'T EVEN ATTEMPT IT. I work with women who monthly become completely unbearable to be around. And sick days? Personally I have had less than 3 in 30 years of work. But again, you seem outraged that I'm demeaning periods. This is where you are mistaken. It is not that periods may be debilitating that I am raising, but the fact that that debilitation makes you less valuable in the workplace. Can you not appreciate that? I am not BLAMING women for the fact that they are the monthly victims of their hormones, I am simply saying that that makes them a liability in the workplace. 7. Men have 40% more muscle mass in upper body, 33% more in lower body, their muscle is also 5-10% stronger pound for pound AND women have more body fat to move around. On stamina, a sedentary healthy female only has a VO2max 33ml/kg/min compared to 42ml/kg/min for a comparable man. Women's lactate threshold is 82% of a man's. Moreover, men's bodies more economically consume energy than women. Going off on a tangent about "some fat men" is just ridiculous. We're not talking about individuals - we're talking about gender norms. An AVERAGE woman, has less stamina than an AVERAGE man. Fact. 8. Again, this is where you betray your feminist determination to ignore FACTS that run counter to your victim narrative. This figure comes from the office of national of statistics, not some hack rag with an agenda. So, having comprehensively demolished every one of your arguments, and proved that my statements were NOT misogyny, but a simple statement of facts, I await your apology for the insults. Don't worry, I'm not holding my breath...
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  7309. You remind me of a Muslim apologist trying to justify the murder of children and the oppression of women. This boy DOES NOT have an eating disorder. He has a greed disorder and a mother too weak and stupid to stop feeding him. At the start of the piece it clearly says that he has to go on a crash diet. You can't crash diet a medical condition away. If she can't find a way to keep food out of his fat hands, then it really is time for her to lose the child. The trouble is, you're sooo desperate to virtue signal your empathy and anti-bullying SJW colours that you make excuses which, if listened to, would definitely kill this boy. You then go on to cry crocodile tears about how the most likely cause of this kid's death will be suicide. All the while enabling the behaviour with your excuses that lead to his misery. You remind me of these people who weigh 400 pounds and try to convince the world that big is beautiful, even as the cellulite hangs off your flabby thighs. Why do I hate fat so much? Because it's repugnant. Because it's self inflicted. Because society pays for it. Because it's a tangible sign of decadence, indulgence and laziness. There's NOTHING to like about obesity and everything to dislike. People like YOU are what is wrong with this world. I'll do you the courtesy of assuming your good intent, even though is by no means certain, but even if I assume that, the feeble excuses you are making for this pathetic woman's dire parenting, contrary to the facts, are just abysmal. 21st century liberalism at its worst. I work with kids. Shitty parents make shitty kids ALWAYS. Of the thousands, maybe tens of thousand of kids I've worked with, I never met ONE who had great parents but was a shitty kid. So yeah, I've got parenting issues. I despise shitty parents. And what the hell does my race have anything to do with the issue?
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  7808.  @yoloswaggins7121  Nope, again, your logic is faulty. If one terrorist responsible for 100,000 deaths uses a human shield - especially one consisting of his own family, it's a lesser of two evils situation. Why should the people fighting him risk THEIR lives simply to meet YOUR sense of morality? Fighting on the ground is MUCH more risky. If I was the partner of a US soldier killed on the ground, knowing they could have just drone striked the whole building, I'd be outraged at the loss. Again, the point that you are missing IN THIS CASE, is that these civilians were his FAMILY. HE was the one that placed them in the fire zone. America simply pulled the trigger. Civilians were NOT targeted - they happened to be in kill zone. That's HIS fault. I passionately HATE that children were killed, but do you think that they were ever going to grow up to be peaceful, democracy loving adults? Terrorists frequently specifically TARGET civilians - that's often what terrorism is all about - creating a sense of terror among the populace to bring about political pressure for action. And again, with Hiroshima, your comparison is totally faulty. Neither Hiroshima OR Nagaaki were MILITARY targets so there is no collateral damage justification. The US uses a lesser of two evils argument, but even if you considered murdering 100,000 people to be a fair exchange to get a single nation out of the war, Japan was already making overtures to surrender. That was a crime against humanity AND terrorism pure and simple. Which is why America constantly waves the Geneva convention at its enemies but refuses to be bound by its terms itself.
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  8291.  @tetrahedron1000  Settle down grampa. You're wrong and just because you read 1984 and Brave New World in an era before electricity doesn't make your generation smarter - just more bored. The percentage of students attending university has risen every year for decades, kids have to attend school now until the age of 18 minimum, rather than 14 or 15 when you were still at school. The average qualification for a skilled job is a degree now, but even just 30 years ago, it was only a secondary (high) school education. And don't give me that "way back then in the middle ages we questioned ideas" crap. Youtube is awash with science, education, politics, philospophy, and religion channels. That you think the that people get their information from different sources now somehow constitutes an argument, is the clearest indicator of the failure of YOUR education to turn out rational, intelligent, reasonable human beings. And while we're talking about the tolerance of people in the past, shall we talk about the McCarthy witch hunts, racism, slavery, the salem witch trials, incarcerating Japanese people during WW2, forced lobotomies and castrations of people with minor conditions (such as a desire to masturbate). Which exact 10 seconds in the long appalling history of America shall we look at to prove that people were more tolerant in the past? Or should I look at Britain's long history of racism and colonialism? The Crusades, the inquisition, the imprisonment of Oscar Wilde and the sterilisation of Alan Turing, the fact that women didn't get the vote until 1918, and men not long before that. I could go on all night, but if you don't get it now, you never will.
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  8564.  @AnkeshKumar-du1dm  I'm not coining a "neologism" - I'm using one of the common definitions of the word. Your increasingly petulant and artless responses reveal your growing frustration at being unable baffle me with bullshit. This message is the clearest example yet. The fact that science cannot achieve the impossible, nor knows everything about everything is not a failure as you appear to be implying; rather it is simply a fact of reality. Even if there was a god (which there is not in the Christian sense of the word), it would have limitations of knowledge and ability. Anything else would be a logical contradiction. It could not, for example, be certain that there was not a MORE supreme being that hid its existence from IT. As for the fact that a tiny percentage of families require children to make appointments to see their parents is utterly irrelevant. You're also incorrect when you intimate that this is a recent phenomenon - for over two thousand years, the wealthy have had wet nurses because they don't wish to perform the most fundamental parenting role themselves, and in many cultures, children have simply been shipped off to schools or residences so that parents are not burdened with the effort of raising them. Frankly, your side of the conversation degraded into absolute absurdity several comments ago. You use a lot of big words (which is the trademark of the Indian pseudo-mystic BTW), but your desperate flailing and constant throwing of handfuls of unrelated mud at the wall to see if any will stick, is utterly transparent. Sadly, you are seriously outmatched. Especially as you are simply incorrect in the underlying themes that you are using your disparate statements to illustrate. I had hoped that you might have some interesting perspectives, but it's painfully clear that you are just another woo peddlar who couches his desperate need for a sky daddy in big words. We're done. There is NOTHING that you can add that I will even bother to read. You had your chance.
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  8641.  @Anti-Liberal_Humanist  Human nature is to procrastinate, and corporate nature is to choose the most profitable solution, usually making environmental issues someone ELSE'S problem. If you saw that your child was munching deadly nightshade and would hit a fatal dose in one minute, you'd get up NOW and prevent them, you wouldn't wait 50 seconds because that still gave you 10 seconds before they were TOTALLY screwed. Same with the planet. Every SECOND we abuse the environment brings us closer; every gas hungry car, every farting cow, every uncapped hydrogen spurting oil well. It's ridiculous to wait until one second until midnight before deciding we should act with urgency, then hoping to roll back another 1000 years of abuse. And to be QUITE clear, the planet probably does NOT have 1000 years. " If you had lived the last 20 years without access to the news and other publications you would not have noticed that the climate was changing." Each year for the past ten has been hotter than the one before. Extreme weather events are more common. Flooding is more severe. Hurricanes are larger. Even here in a very temperate corner of temperate Britain, the weather has been wild the past few years, with some of the hottest days in my life, and unquestionably the most extreme rainfall. Of course, that could simply be weather. One person's experience is inconsequential, but the trends across the planet are not. "climate-related deaths have declined drastically" funnily enough, so have deaths by tuberculosis. Do you think that that might be because we've become better at predicting and managing these events? " there is no strong positive long-term trends, attributable with high confidence to climate change" Apart from global temperature change, melting ice caps and and rising sea levels. "If sensationalized news stories and activist rhetoric" you have NO idea where I am getting my facts from so, I suggest you don't guess. "there is no strong positive long-term trends, attributable with high confidence to climate change, for many extreme weather/climate events including floods and hurricanes according to the IPCC." That's incorrect and indicates that it is YOUR sources that are dubious, and YOU are the disinformer. From the IPCC report "Human-induced climate change is already affecting many weather and climate extremes in every region across the globe. Evidence of observed changes in extremes such as heatwaves, heavy precipitation, droughts, and tropical cyclones, and, in particular, their attribution to human influence, has strengthened since the Fifth Assessment Report (AR5)" and "It is unequivocal that human influence has warmed the atmosphere, ocean and land. Widespread and rapid changes in the atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere and biosphere have occurred." Here's the summary so that you can be better informed next time https://www.ipcc.ch/report/ar6/wg1/downloads/report/IPCC_AR6_WGI_Headline_Statements.pdf You've been wrong on pretty much every statement. Assuming you are not an in industry shill, I suggest you interrogate why you feel so defensive towards action to improve the planet. Are you just childishly petulant about being told what to do, in which case, I order you NOT to step in front of a fast moving vehicle, or are you so self centred that you would destroy the planet rather than inconveniencing yourself even a little bit? I suppose the third option could be that your hatred of environmental activists is simply so great that it spurs a bad case of oppositional defiance disorder, which I suggest you overcome for everyone's good. I'm going to leave it there. I've made an unequivocal case and disproved all of your points using the very source you cite. Further back and forth will achieve nothing. Learn or don't.
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  8642. ​ @GeekOverdose  People are dying NOW and every day due to climate change; drowning, burning, heat exhaustion, reduced water availability for drinking and crops. The fact that opponents discount or are determined not to see is their problem. The fact is, the car is ALREADY ploughing into the crowd. Premise 2 is on shaky footing. "modern technology counteracts this increase in extreme weather events" To an extent. For a start, it matters when, and over what time-period you measure. I don't know if there is deliberate deception going on here, but we have previously seen anthropogenic climate deniers deliberately starting their measurements the decade AFTER or BEFORE extreme events that would show a far more extreme picture. Modern technology didn't prevent the deaths in Germany or Belgium. We detected the rain sooner, but technology could not prevent it. Technology is not a panacea for all of our mistreatments of the planet. It cannot counteract mass die offs. It cannot instantly prevent hurricanes or floods or desertification or wildfires or sea level rise. If you take the lazy route of saying "technology will fix it" then you are placing unjustified faith in technology or kicking the can down the road. You need to add a third premise. Premise 3: Regardless of premise 2, there may be a trigger point where a CO2 feedback loop creates an unstoppable runaway greenhouse effect. Thus, even if not a SINGLE person died en-route to that point, if that point was inevitable following the trajectory of current behaviour, the human race would want to avoid it. If we don't address the issue, it is possible that we will make Earth uninhabitable. This is not some 1 in a trillion longshot, but a very real possibility based upon known and agreed upon the majority of scientists with expertise in the field.
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  9011.  @catnap387  "Your answer firmly puts the onus on women instead of the fact that MEN should be looking at their own attitudes and behaviours to women and speaking out about what makes a man." I'm sorry, but this is the kind of position that endangers women - teaching them that they have an entitlement to go anywhere at any time, behaving any way they like, and have the expectation of safety, and worse still, that men are the ones that need educating. There's NO group of men on the planet that teaches that it is acceptable to murder women (although the feminist SCUM manifesto quite openly taught the murder of men). Of COURSE the onus is on women, because they're the ones whose safety needs looking out for. I don't need to tell a man not to go to a strange bar and start gobbing off. We already share that information with each other. I don't have to tell men not to go to certain areas of the city alone, because we largely have that survival sense. But women are educating each other to expect the world to conform to their expectations, and that will NEVER happen. Do you think the person who did this doesn't KNOW that murder is wrong? Do you think s/he just doesn't have enough peers teaching him/her to respect women? Maybe he/she is exactly the kind of loner or misanthrope who would never have enough close peers to receive such a message in the first place. NO amount of programming, male collective guilt tripping or "education" of males would stop this kind of thing from happening, any more than it would stop some women from snapping and murdering their children. So knowing that, why WOULDN'T women take sensible precautions to ensure their own safety? Or accept the fact that there is a miniscule risk of death, just as there is every time they get into a car. Yes, it sucks that women can't go out alone on empty roads for a jog, but the world will never be 100% safe. I would also note, that this is what - a 1 in 10 million occurence, so any broad societal conclusions you draw need to bear that rarity in mind.
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  9285.  @peteredwards338  "You are totally wrong on the number of scientists." You're correct - it's 97% not 95%. Thank you for winning the argument for me. Mike drop. "the vast majority of actively publishing climate scientists – 97 percent – agree that humans are causing global warming and climate change. Most of the leading science organizations around the world have issued public statements expressing this, including international and U.S. science academies, the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change and a whole host of reputable scientific bodies around the world. " https://climate.nasa.gov/faq/17/do-scientists-agree-on-climate-change/ Dunno who William Happer is, but calling him a "proper scientist" because he confirms your opinions is hilarious. By what process do YOU conclude that he is correct in the face of all the contrary expertise? " atmosphere contains 0.04 %CO2. Only 3 % of that tiny amount is the result of human activity" And precisely what percentage rise of CO2 is enough to trigger runaway greenhouse effect? "Don't forget : 99. 06% of the atmosphere is not Co2." Irrelevant. That's like saying the drink you just gave someone was only .04% polonium. "The sun makes up 99.9% of the solar system, look there for answers" The volume of the sun by mass is not the issue, and I might add, another irrelevance borne from ignorance. The distance of the earth, the eccentricity of our orbit, the density and albedo of our atmosphere and the stability of the sun's heat output ARE relevant. Frankly, simply throwing numbers into the conversation with clearly, zero comprehension of their significance serves only to demonstrate that you are either ignorant, or wilfully attempting to mislead.
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  9664.  @Boo-pv4hn  "Vegan isn’t better for he animals, the amount of forests cut down to grow vegan friendly food, " I'm sorry, but that doesn't add up Penelope. Let's just say that a million sentient animals per square mile of forest die in the deforestation (which I hate), they only lose their lives once. That same density of animals in a farm will lose their lives yearly or every few years, and that's on top of lives of horrendous cruelty. "waste so much is being bought into stores but never sold we have an exess amount " Yes 100% agree with you on this. "not considering the fuel for traveling A LOT of it by plane" The fuel for vegan food does not REMOTELY outstrip the emissions from dairy farming alone, which is one of this planet's largest sources of greenhouse gases. And whether you eat vegan or omnivorous, it is ALL transported from somewhere else. A lot of our meat is shipped all the way from Australia! And I would add that shipping is one of the very WORST forms of transport in terms of the environment. The problem is, we live in mega communities, each of us living specialised lives. I personally have no space to GROW my own fruit and veg, even if I had the time and inclination, which I do not. And it would be wholly infeasible for every person to grow their own food. Indeed large-scale agriculture was one of the innovations that enabled mankind to move beyond subsistence living. Your solution, while eco-friendly on the face of it, would literally undo 10,000 of progress, and reduce us all to subsistence slaves. AND it's not better for the environment.
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  9868.  @juliorosa9857  Your visits to the 3rd world are irrelevant. But nice attempt at virtue willy waving. We cannot take responsibility for everyone on the planet, but we can each do things for those within our sphere of influence. When you talk about living standards across the globe, you sound like a parent saying to a child who just broke his arm "Kids in some parts of the world don't even HAVE arms." So what? There are ALWAYS people worse off. These kids live in a British society where wages in real terms have been falling for decades, where there is an educational arms race for fewer and fewer jobs, where automation and outsourcing looks to make millions of jobs obsolete, where there is a diminishing housing stock, and climate change threatens their very futures, all during a pandemic. All of which are valid reasons for very real stress. But I'm sure all that is not stressful enough because kids live on garbage dumps in South America right? And all these kids want is an education. How unreasonable. And I'm sure that you are aware that academic stress is one of the major sources of death among teenagers. The photographer Manabu Yamanaka went and lived in an African village for a year to experience life on the very threshold of existence, and he described them as some of the happiest people he had ever known, which demonstrates that happiness is not correlated to poverty necessarily. Yes, there are starving kids, but security and safety are only one step higher on Maslow's hierarchy, and relationships only one step higher still. You're clearly a highly intelligent person, so how can you be so dismissive?
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  10077. ***** "At the end of the day they count votes not the candidates campaign donations" Yes, but it's a lot easier to get those votes when you're wealthy. Statistical fact, almost without exception, the US politician with the most money wins the election - not the best candidate, or the person with the best ideas, or the greatest track record - the person with the most money. Because the American public are idiots - they vote based upon name recognition, not effectiveness. That's why Trump is storming the polls - because he is wealthy enough not to give a damn about offending his donors, and he has national name recognition. "The reason our politicians have done nothing about climate change is because most American's aren't worried about change climate"That is absolutely not true, but you make my point perfectly here. The politicians are bribed by fossil fuel companies to suppress the truth about climate change, vote for laws that will enable them to continue destroying the planet, and overtax more effective, cleaner fuel sources.If you think that most Americans are willing to sacrifice the planet that their children and grandchildren will inherit, I can only shake my head. Yes, the super wealthy are willing to do that because they are despicable vermin, but hard working men like you? No. I bet you would die for your children in an instant huh Glen? And if you KNEW FOR CERTAIN that you were condemning them and your grandchildren to a world of earth quakes, suffocating pollution, and unbearable high temperatures, you'd be willing to make some changes in your lifestyle to prevent it wouldn't you? Most of the rest of the civilised world has already started, and although Americans have been taught to be selfish, I think they're good people at heart. Your comment about not wanting your to send your children to war in Europe confirms it. BTW, there are no wars in Europe - Afghanistan is in Asia and Iraq is in the Middle East.
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  10509. ***** I disagree. Individual states both had the rights to decline to carry out gay marriage, and not to recognise marriages performed in other states.Now there is a legal standard that says that gay marriages are recognised across the USA, complete with all of the tax privileges, and other rights that go with it. Whether you want to complain that gay people now have the right to join the oppressed masses that you apparently perceive, or not, is now their individual choice, and not that of bigoted regional governors. In that regard, they are now on parity with every other adult in America."If anything it's an attack on equality, since it's furthering the divide between government and the people, further removing our power."If by that you mean it divides the people who wish to deny gay people the same rights as everybody else, then you make Sandra's point perfectly and I don't care in the least if the bigots have their rights to diminish the quality of life for others curtailed.If you mean it removes the power of gay people because "the man" is now oppressing them as well as straights, they can CHOOSE that oppression or not, just as any couple can. Without that choice, they are at the mercy of the state in matters of inheritance rights, hospital visitation, medical care choices for comatose partners, adoption, and far more.  Bigoted families formerly had a greater say than loving partners. I share your reticence to be answerable to government, but as long as we live in a system where those issues ARE decided by law, then gays are well advised to seize those rights.
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  10657. I'm proposing that God, by definition would have to be outside nature. And the reason I didn't define "magic" is because as I said, it means many things, and is context dependent. But, for the purpose of this conversation, and this is just a superficial, top of my head definition: supernatural is an event which occurs beyond the rules of nature and physics as we comprehend them to be. Magic is the capacity to bring about such an event. I don't believe in either such notion, and if you showed me such an event, I would simply assume that it was a part of physics that we have yet to explore or understand. I don't "worship" science at all. I am only too well aware of some of its flaws. However, I also believe that it is the only MEANINGFUL way of explaining the world accurately, in such a way that results can be consistent regardless of your beliefs or interpretations. Contrast that with personal experience (which MAY accurately reflect reality) but is subject to a million pressures to skew its results, and I know which I would sooner trust my future to.As for science having no capacity to define ontological understanding, as I understand the world "ontology" (having just looked it up), I see NO reason why science is unable to explain the nature of being. If science revealed every minute thing about our origination, the way that every tiniest component of our bodies and brains worked, and WHY we exist as we do, would that not fulfil your requirement? If you are using the word to ask questions such as "what is the purpose of existence", I would suggest that you are asking malformed questions, akin to "Why do ladybugs love Beethoven?" You would first have to prove that there IS a purpose, before asking what it is.How do you think that these prophesies were passed down to the person who wrote them down, and where do you believe they originated from?
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  10715. +Apollo Olympos It doesn't matter how many times you call the illegal detainees in Guantanomo "scum" it won't make it so, although your bias is plain to see. The people in Guantanomo were KIDNAPPED from the streets of various countries, brought to a place where the American rule of law could not be invoked EVEN THOUGH they were kidnapped by American troops. They have then been tortured, in direct contravention of the Geneva convention, to which the US is a signatory. Some of the original detainees were indeed guilty of acts of aggression towards the US, but many were innocent of ANY hostile or illegal act. President Obama himself admitted last year that 81 of the ones STILL in detention 10 years later, had done NOTHING wrong, but he was fearful of releasing them because they might go onto to become radicalised AS A RESULT of their illegal incarceration. Regardless of whether you believe that they are in fact guilty of terroristic acts (and you have to be most naïve man in the world to think that people who were 14 and 15 at the time were making ANY contribution to global terrorism), we have rule of law for a reason, and as soon as we abandon that, we lose ALL right to lecture the rest of the world on proper behaviour. The shame of Guantanomo is a stain on America's rapidly plummeting reputation that will harm her for at least a few decades, fuelling the global hatred towards America that her its citizens targets wherever they go. And as for this academic, in no way do I mean to suggest that his shameful detention was reasonable. Britain is rapidly moving towards a new age of big brother tyranny. I just think that a chubby middle aged academic whining about 10 days without comfortable mattresses is the height of triviality compared to the massive injustices perpetrated by his nation.
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  10840. Carlos Santiago You constructed a massive straw man that bore no relationship to what I said. I never argued that people should not have more time off work - I argued that it was not the employers' duty to pay for that additional vacation, and I argued that contrary to what Kyle repeatedly said, being paid to do work does not automatically make you a wage slave. Nevertheless, to address the issues you raised: the number of days that you work has ZERO to do with your health (and by that I can only assume that you are talking mental health primarily).   Daily physical and mental activity are both good for you. It's stress and physical exhaustion that are bad for you, neither of which are givens if you take work that you enjoy, or you work under reasonable conditions. There's a difference between working to put food on the table and being a wage slave. But, to extend your example, all mankind is a slave to work, even if he works for himself. That's what happens when food doesn't simply run to the table! As for the final full paragraph, I completely agree, that there is MUCH more to life than work. For most people, work does occupy an unnecessarily significant percentage of their lives, and that IS because of our capitalistic desires, which have been foisted upon us by marketing people. Work is a necessary evil that will one day become all but obsolete. I'm all for spending one's time on physical and mental enrichment. The only trouble is, that's not how most people spend free time. As soon as they get free time, they turn into couch potatoes and do as little as possible, which is far more emotionally damaging than going to work. As the saying goes, "The biggest killer of old people, is retirement."
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  10966. "FOUR posts ranting and raving about how unfair we are to hold you to the same standards you legalistically hold to others. Insecure, much?" Ha ha - this from the man who has made 17 posts. I was responding to three different people, you know, in conversations, you know, how youtube works. Do you have ANY self awareness? "you are unwilling to show proof that it actually exists." I don't HAVE to show it exists. It may not exist. If it doesn't exist, it's beholden upon Stein to make money another way. You simply CANNOT base your platform upon attacking "those evil fossil fuel companies" then invest in those same companies. This is not a trivial issue, and you are drawing a false equivalence by comparing to participating in capitalism. Capitalism is not practicably opt out. You CAN opt out of investing in fossil fuels. As for your comments about Stein's roll in the green party, you are being utterly disingenuous. If she was elected, SHE would be the figurehead, SHE would be the one to whom the decisions ultimately fall. As for the percentages, Stein was polling around 5% (of 218m voters) That means that Stein is currently supported by 10.4m Americans. The greens in austria won with 2.3m. "you appear to be looking for a Pope or a Mother Theresa to worship and setting inhumanly high standards no imperfect person can reach" Riiiight. Inhumanly high standards. Just as it's setting imhumanly high standards to expect that Hillary is not an evil, cheating bitch who misuses her charitable foundation's income to help her win, or Donald should not by a lying swindling misogynist. Ooooh my standards are sooo high. Face it, Stein is a hypocrite, and just like all the others, when push comes to shove, she puts her personal wealth above EVERYTHING else, including the CENTRAL tenet of her party's platform.
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  11012. +vwr32jeep I appreciate all of the arguments you just made, and if anything was going to persuade that gun ownership was reasonable, it would be precisely those arguments, and one other: why should responsible gun owners be penalised for the actions of irresponsible ones? However, there are two statistics that simply trump everything you've just said, and this is where one's desire to hold to rationalism is tested. 1. A gun owned at home is more likely to harm its owner or a family member, than to harm an assailant.2. Regardless of the level of gun violence in a society, outlawing guns in that society eventually, and usually quite dramatically, decreases the total gun deaths.So no matter how comforting you find it to leave your wife with a gun, believing (perfectly reasonably) that it gives her a chance of surviving an assault, STATISTICALLY you should be more worried that that gun will harm her, than an assailant, real or imagined. The odds of that gun being used to defend her are irrelevant, if there are greater odds that she will be harmed. But putting all of that to one side, much as I would love to just click my fingers and every non recreational, non utility weapon on the planet instantly disappeared, I am not actually arguing for banning all guns in America. I think that gun ownership is too ingrained in your culture, and too ingrained in your beliefs about freedom. As I have often opined, America is a nation that never got over the scars of being an oppressed colony. All I would like to see is the application of common sense gun laws. You want to own a tank and shoot 100mm shells for fun? Go ahead. But the tank stays at the range or in secure location when you're done. You want to buy a handgun for protection? Go right ahead, but you don't need a 30 round clip and full auto, and I absolutely reserve the right to ensure that criminals and mentally unbalanced people or possible terrorists cannot buy weapons. Want to buy lots of ammo? Demonstrate a reasonable need for leisure or utility, and I am fine with that, but I am not fine with assholes like these Oregon militia stockpiling weapons. Nor am I fine with open-carry assholes walking into restaurants with semi automatic weapons locked and loaded and ready to kill, intimidating staff and customers to prove a principle.
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  11013. +vwr32jeep I didn't say that guns magically become UNavailable. Just much LESS available. The statistic are quite unequivocal about the results of greatly restricting gun ownership. Are you seriously suggesting that you're going to get into a gun battle with a gang of 1000+ gun wielding teens? You'd be dead before you fired three shots. You'd be better to run, hide or beg for your life. Sorry, missed the question. I assume you're asking ME why I feel safer in an environment with guns? First of all, I don't deem GUNS ineffective. Clearly 30,000 people wouldn't be dead if that was the case. I am simply citing statistics that show that gun ownership INCREASES risk to the owner. So what would be the result of banning guns in America? Initially, the innocent would be prey to lawbreakers. Then zero tolerance of gun ownership would pressure casual criminals and street rats out of it, leaving only more committed people still owning. They would all be mass incarcerated, putting massive strain on the national purse, which would result in a massive amnesty of victimless crimes. The gun industry would all but collapse overnight. But millions of guns would continue to circulate for decades, and there would likely be even more of a trade in illegal weapons than there is now. But gradually, over the course of 50-100 years, or maybe much less, society would adjust to the lower availability of guns, and the only people that you would primarily have to worry about getting shot by, would be professional criminals. Why do I feel safer in a society without guns? Because the worst I have ever had to face in Britain was a knife, and knives are up close and personal, with a very real danger of it being turned against the attacker. And they are NEVER used in mass rampages. On my very first night in America, a gun wielding mugger stuck a gun in my ribs.
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  11014. +vwr32jeep 8800 people are dead needlessly. There was a mass shooting EVERY SINGLE WEEK in 2015. The are numbers that must surely concern any rational person? As a 47 year old man, were you not terrified t9o let your kids go to school knowing the number of school shootings? To the best of my knowledge, no British school has ever needed metal detectors at the door, and only the most troubled inner city schools have security of any sort beyond a locked gate. Perhaps you're right that banning high capacity  magazines and rifles would not help. Although I seem to recall in both Aurora and Newtown, magazine jams prevented greater fatalities. I'm prepared to go where the evidence leads on both. I think that the category of "defensive shootings" probably needs more clarification, but even if I take it completely on face value, whilst the numbers are close it STILL supports my assertion that you are more likely to die at your own hand. As for simply writing off all suicides, I'm not sure that that's entirely fair. If you leave for work today, and arrive home tonight and your wife or one of your kids has taken their own life using the gun you bought for their protection, perhaps you might have second thoughts about the wisdom of that purchase - especially if that suicide - made much simpler by the gun - was in response to a short term situation that could easily have been resolved. I recognise that including suicides in gun violence statistics is not black and white, but I also feel it is reasonable to assume that many of those deaths would not have happened without the gun. One of my acquaintances had a preteen son who took his own life after a school bullying incident, and academic pressure is the number one cause of teen suicide. They are real tragedies, that would possibly have been avoided without guns. But as I say, I don't advocate banning guns because America is not yet ready for such a radical move. But I would like to see the people purchasing them screened a lot more thoroughly.
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  11216. The fact that animals fight to REMAIN alive merely goes to show how strongly the instinct is genetically imprinted. It says nothing about the validity of that as a choice, when your sole purpose is to be someone else's food. Moreover, the fact that even children will beg for death if you subject them to suffering for long enough goes to show how easy it is to negate that desire, and why QUALITY of life is also a factor. Morals may be subjective, but they CAN be quantified. There are universal values that the majority of rational unindoctrinated humans adhere to. I absolutely agree with Sam Harris's take on this, that morality can be considered as the course of action that leads to the greatest flourishing. I do 100% agree with you that all morality is subjective, but within any society there is very broad agreement on the massive majority of things that are moral and immoral, with fuzziness in a lot of control freakish, religious control areas. Of course, even the morals that you claim are objective, are not. Go to an LA gang in the 80s or a Mexican gang, and murdering and torturing innocent people is PERFECTLY acceptable. The fact that you can train yourself to lack any empathy for other lives is kind of the point because we DO have a fundamental respect for life built in, which is why foremen and police and soldiers can be permanently mentally harmed simply by some of the things they see. " but god damn that was one of the most backward, upside down, idiotic arguments I have ever heard" ROFL. I can see how that sounds! I didn't articulate myself well. Let me try again. When you have a discussion with say a child sex predator, they will slip and slide every possible way, make every possible lame ass attempt to justify their actions. That's exactly how I see the arguments from meat eaters like this guy. I wouldn't respect a pedophile more who just said "Well I'm sexually attracted to kids - live with it" but it would be honest. Same here. "And the same could be said in reverse... nobody is forcing vegans to engage with non-vegans... it's called a dialog dude." I realise that but you said "vegans will not accept it." Well if I said to you that all people called Bob were 7 feet tall, you would never accept it either. Now there's no point me complaining that people won't concede my argument when my argument is nonsensical. You persuade people with better ideas not louder shouting. It seems to me that 99% of meat eaters arguments are mere post hoc justifications. We could at least have a reasonable back and forth on the quality of their life in the wild, or the ethics of killing animals, or whether we can simply consider them expendable because they are less intelligent, but none of those tracks leads anywhere good because you can easily turn them back on humans. Why don't we cannibalise stupid people, or old people or children or people with a poor quality of life? But when people start talking about incisors and stereo vision they immediately forfeit the argument. You seem like a reasonable guy, and I like to think that if I made some great point on this issue, you would go away and perhaps re-evaluate your position in light of that point, as I would if you do so. But if I felt that you were not discussing in good faith, I'd probably end the conversation quickly. That's the point I was making.
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  11417. ***** You are defining "straight people"  as a monolithic group who all hold exactly the same views on homosexuality. How would you like it if I defined all gay men as filthy child rapists? It would be ridiculous right? NOBODY living is responsible for the cultural beliefs of the past 3000 years, wrong though they may be, but many people, myself included, are trying to have more enlightened, tolerant views of all sorts of things that we were raised to think was bad. It's difficult because people who have been programmed with that since birth find it virtually impossible to distinguish between culture and biology, just as you  might find it difficult to distinguish between a preference for a salad or a burger. You know that you feel a preference, but where does genetic disposition kick in and mere preference end? You asked "You have nothing to lose here. So why now?" I'm not quite sure what you're asking me. "Straight people caused that in the first place. In my eyes, their "support" is just another way of wiping the blood off their hands. Once this is all over, they'll start to deny that discrimination against LGBT people ever happened" Oh don't be one of THOSE activists. You have genuine grievances, and I feel deeply for your suffering - the number of suicides amongst young gay people is literally heart-breaking, but blaming "straight people" for something that SOCIETY did, makes no sense. ALL society was raised to think that there as something wrong with gay people, and there have been enough self hating gay people to show that this is not solely a sexuality bigotry. If you want to blame anyone, start with religion. I take your point about the difference between acceptance and tolerance, but would you sooner be tolerated or reviled? Acceptance starts with normalisation, and normalisation starts with tolerance. Would you sooner NOT be tolerated? I know you would like a perfect world where gay people are fully accepted right now, but millennia of prejudice are not resolved the instant some parts of society realise that there's a problem. And that brings us full circle to the whole point of post. What if we are biologically predisposed to dislike sexual activity between genders that do not match our sexuality? Will you complain to Darwin, or simply insist that straights undergo the kind of hateful conversion therapy and program that was forced upon gays?
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  11456. Steve Gazzo Steve, I fully appreciate, and even grudgingly accept that a line has to be drawn somewhere. Grudgingly because the best situation would be to use individual judgement of a person's maturity, but that would clearly be massively abused. Grudgingly because most young adults I know are not ready for the emotional repercussions of sex either. Grudging because I think it's reasonable that a dispassionate legal professional made the call before the baying mob got involved. However, I utterly discard your argument that "the law is the law". That's no basis for JUSTICE or even fair rule. It's the law that big business can buy our politicians, and the NSA can spy on us, and police can get away with what amounts to the execution of innocent people, but do you suggest that we should comply with those situations? The fact that this girl killed herself is evidence of nothing except the fact that she was distraught enough to kill herself. You can draw absolutely no inference from it pertaining  to this case. It is absolutely as valid for me to suggest that she did so because of the guilt of betraying her lover, as for you to say she did so because of the trauma of being abused. One thing is almost certain though - if society did not have such a hysterical overreaction to sex between an adult and a young adult (a minor only in technical terms), she would not have felt that emotional stress. Let me clarify before I go, I do not advocate sex between adults and those whose bodies are physically unready for it. I do no advocate coercive sex period, although so much of what we do in life - work, buy products, etc, is the result of far more insidious coercion. But this knee jerk hysteria against sex with someone mature enough to get pregnant, is ridiculous. I recognise that the teacher student relationship brings an additional pressure to bear that I am extremely uncomfortable with.
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  11476. Gregory Malchuk That's an excellent question Gregory. I would _suspect_ that by the time he reaches this age, he's very far on the route to becoming someone that society would not really want among them. However, there are lots of people who have committed crimes that society attempts to rehabilitate, rather than simply controlling them. Vocational courses, work placement, education in subjects that HE is actually interested in, I am sure that there are ways to help motivate this boy better, if indeed he is unmotivated (rather than simply a slow learner) in the first place. I certainly don't argue that this boy is not in need of discipline, although we're reading an awful lot of backstory into the fact that he was unprepared to allow this teacher to simply take his property from him. I don't know to what extent your comments about welfare are relevant or reasonable. I'm sure that the reasons for black poverty and under-education are MUCH more complex than having the humanity to support black mothers who are no longer with their fathers, and refusing to do so would seem to punish the only person in the equation who had no say in the matter, namely the children. A lack of commitment by black fathers certainly does seem to be a problem, but perhaps it is to the FATHERS that pressure should be directed, not just the mothers. Perhaps if they were FORCED to take legal responsibility, they would not be so quick to fuck and run. That said, if the tropes are true, there does seem to be a certain contempt towards men by black women. I don't know if that's a chicken and the egg situation, but it can't be productive.
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  11669. insidetrip101 The US has some of the most worker unfriendly employment is the civilised work, and you work more hours than the global average, so I don't really take you as a model of how things should be, given that over there companies have personhood for the sake of voting! The average number of US sick days is 4.9, which given all that you say, is surprisingly high in itself. In Europe, the employer is obligated to pay up to 28 weeks per year if needed, but that only kicks in AFTER 4 days of unpaid sickness, AND we have far more vacation days. The US has NO statutory minimum - whereas Europe has 20 and Britain has 28. Vacation days are a good thing, but adding in sick days which substantially rise by gender makes a significant difference. You suggest that I'm exaggerating the effects of pregnancy because the average woman only becomes pregnant 2 or 3 times in her life. that doesn't sound like a lot right? But given that 43% of women quit work when they become pregnant, that right there is a PERMANENT and SERIOUS impediment to an employers' consideration of a woman in her 20s or 30s if he is looking for staff with a long-term commitment  to their career within the company. In Europe, that quit comes ON TOP OF up to 52 WEEKS of paid maternity leave (something I think is pathetic)! Frankly, if women were not given jobs due to forced quotas, I don't understand why ANY woman would be employed. Your prison statistic is not really logical. Even in  the USA, which incarcerates at 5 times  the global average, still only 5 out of every 1000 people are sent to prison, (and we could have a long discussion about how morally reprehensible that number is), whereas over 52% of ALL women aged 15-44 have children. It's true that men in the US are imprisoned at 15 times the rate of women, but over the past decade, the rate of FEMALE imprisonment has increased 500 per cent. At that rate, within 30 years, that statistic will prove to be just ONE MORE reason not to give women equal pay. But given that imprisonment is statistically so unlikely outside the black community, I think that it makes as much sense to evaluate as the incidence of breast cancer  or testicular cancer in determining wages. I wholeheartedly agree with your closing sentiment about it becoming more acceptable to see women in positions of authority. Perhaps the woman I most respect in my own life, was a chief architect for a national house building company, and she is magnificent: intelligent, dedicated, exceptional at her job. But she only accomplished that by sacrificing valuable time with her kids - something that shows clearly in their emotional development. I don't know about female cops or soldiers getting the same respect. To me, to get the same respect, they have to be capable of doing the same job. That is clearly not the case with those careers. And that ultimately is what it all comes down to. Incidentally, I'm find this discussion fascinating - learning some things I didn't know myself.
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  11670. insidetrip101 It's clear that you and I share more common ground than disagreement. When I was referring to voting rights, I was indeed thinking about companies' rights to make massive donations, and to manipulate American democracy by determining the way that senators vote on issues. When the man with the most money invariably wins the senatorial, let alone presidential race, it's clear that the wealthiest interests are those which can bring to bear the greatest leverage regarding their issues. Whilst I am (very mildly) sympathetic of single mothers who become pregnant inadvertently, as far as I am concerned, pregnancy is a choice, not a right that should be paid for by the rest of society. You don't buy a car if you can't afford to run it, and you should not have a child if you cannot afford the time to raise it. Children arte not a net asset to society. The problem is that people's expectations have risen so that they believe it is their right to have it all - but at other people's expense if needs be. Then society is guilt-tripped using the "think of the children" argument.  Why didn't THE new parents think of the children? Again, perhaps my views here, in terms of American society, do not reflect the full nuance of the massive lag in wages behind cost of living. In Europe, the two are legally linked, so there is far less excuse. Thus in America, it is conceivable that even a working couple living is so-called "affordable" housing are FORCED to each hold down a job to pay the bills. Perhaps that is no bad thing either. If feminism tells me anything, it's that women should be afforded the same opportunities, and HELD TO THE SAME STANDARDS as men. I will admit that I was surprised by the significant percentage of women who NEVER choose to have children (and that percentage is rising), which somewhat undermines my argument. but to my mind, those women should be just as incensed by long maternity leave as men - after all, that is bonus pay that their co-workers received simply for deciding by conscious choice or negligence, to fall pregnant. If women only took another few sick days per year off, I would chalk that up to unavoidable dimorphism, and I would suggest that there is absolutely no FAIR reason for a gender pay gap. But I still see women as a greater workplace liability (in terms of their capacity to continue working) than men, and their pay reflects that.
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  11986. Manning's motivation: he was already a very mixed up young man. He was being bullied by his peers for his lack of manliness (and on this issue I feel nothing but sympathy for him). He tried to bring his military concerns to his superiors, which he saw as yet more dismissal of his very existence. Then a fit of pique, he released this information. Ultimately, it was not the calm, considered action of a man concerned about America's appalling military behaviour, with due consideration for the risk his release would expose troops to, it was the tantrum of alienated brat. We don't look at the Columbine killers doing the same thing with any sympathy, yet Manning potentially endangered far more lives, and any benefits are negated by his motivation in my eyes. The benefits were merely coincidental. If you're looking for a true hero, look to Edward Snowden, a man who gave up an idyllic life to let us know how the government was abusing us. I'm sorry but I will never call a trans person by the gender they are going to. If they want to change their name, fine. I'll call him Chelsea instead of Bradley. Names are simply family or personally designated identifiers. However, one's sex is chromosomal and until the day he dies he will be male, no matter how many drugs he pumps into himself or what he does or doesn't have on his chest or in his pants. Sex identifiers are for MY benefit not the person being identified, and I refuse to play this silly game of enablement. If someone suddenly decided that they wish identify as a tree or a dragon, should I use THOSE identifiers too? There are entire communities of idiots out there who believe that they are "otherkin" and want to be identified by their ridiculous kin names. Going along with that is not respectful. It fuels their mental illness. Would you agree with someone who believes that they have extra or fewer limbs tah their belief was correct out of respect or compassion? Don't get me wrong - I have no problem whatsoever with role play. Also, although I instinctively find it distasteful, I have no rational objection to people dressing and acting as the opposite sex so long as they don't trick potential sexual partners. But I won't be morally bullied by society into playing this ridiculous game that they want to play. As Camille Paglia pointed out, two of the signs of decadence that great civilisations show before collapsing out of weakness is uber liberality and gender fluidity. I won't play that game. And it WOULD come at a cost to me, because now I'M being part of his altered reality. But thank you for the courteous tone of your questions.
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  11987. No, I'm not vindictive at all, but I do get extremely angry about this new world where reality is whatever people say it is, no what it independently is. I don't capitulate to that. There is an objective reality that exists regardless of people's feelings on the subject. You say that Paglia said that gender fluidity was a symptom of decline. So you seem to be agreeing with my position. It is only when a society is in decline that it shows symptoms such as a willingness to allow people to define their own reality, rather than facing the objective reality we all actually inhabit. But I think that the most important comment you made was this: "I would just be kind to others until I knew more, and the more I learn, whilst I'm still confused and think some of it's bullshit, the more I realise that this bare minimum makes sense, at least for someone that goes so far as to change their physical gender through surgery and hormone therapy." I am perfectly kind to others. I know two trans people, and even though both of them CLEARLY suffer from significant mental issues apart from their alleged trans genderism, I address them by their preferred names, and don't correct when they use their preferred pronouns. However I do not, and probably will not use trans pronouns unless I see some definitive evidence that these are merited beyond their appearance. But the massive issue is whether or not it is ACTUALLY kind to play along with their game. given that so very many m>f transexuals appear to be simply people who cannot cope with their homosexuality, and all f.m transexuals live in a society that superficially confers advantages to males such as strength, status, and camaraderie, there is at least a case to be made for looking beyond the surface. And what if the feelings are genuine but simply the sign of a psychological disorder, how can it possibly be kinder to help these people to avoid reality? That's like going along with a parent's delusion that their dead child still lives. No decent person would play along with those delusions. Rather, they'd take action to fix the problem. The fact that there is such a massive rise in transgenderism suggests to me that there is a component beyond the mere fact that it is now safe for actual trans people to come out. We now live in a society that rewards specialness and victimhood. Children will often accept negative attention rather than no attention, and I wonder of there is a component of that involved. Furthermore, and this is where I get furious, SJW society is massively pandering to this at schools. When you see schools for children as young as 5 offering a choice m/f/t on admission papers, and doctors providing reassignment surgery to preteens, it makes me furious. Studies show that a large percentage of kids who think they are trans, actually grow out of that or simply grow up to be gay if left to their own devices. Society is performing irreversible surgery on kids who can barely wipe their asses without someone to help them make the decision, yet we're supposed to believe that they have the self knowledge and analytical skills to make decisions that will affect the rest of their lives? No no NO. Not on my watch, not if I have anything to say about it. Could there genuinely be people who are in some way trapped in a body that is the opposite gender to their brains? Yes, entirely, although you'll first have to show me in what ways a newborn male and female brain is wired differently, and there is apparently now new scientific opinion that suggests that no such biological differences and that it is all learned. So, bottom line, in what other areas of existence do we consider the "kindness" of going along with someone's sincerely held fantasy (albeit ones with maybe a grain of truth) as the default position? Belief in god? Nope,. Belief in Elvis or aliens? Nope? Flat Earth, 9/11 conspiracy, Sandy Hook false flag, pizzagate, illuminati, lizard people, phantom limbs, ghosts, homeopathy, spirit healing? No no no. So why should trans people be an exception?
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  12098. DaHuntsman1 "they are trying to impose their will upon others" All attempts to bring about change are efforts to impose your will upon another. "When you commit to peaceful resistance to change things in your country, with persistance you will win" That is a fantasy that presumes a fair system, a large enough majority of people who are on your side, and leadership that is either democratic or leery of the population. Slavery has come and gone throughout history, as have women's equality, democracy. What if you had decided at the START of the Roman empire that you didn't like being a slave? The empire lasted 600 years. Your peaceful resistance would have earned you a beating. If you tried to run away, they chopped your feet off. What if you were gay in 1900s America or Europe? You were likely to imprisoned or castrated. Oppression is cyclic, and whilst there have been spectacular examples of when peaceful resistance has worked, there are at least as many cases where revolution was the only solution. Try your peaceful resistance solution in Nazi Germany, or ISIS Iraq, or Boko Haram Nigeria and see what it gets you. I am all for  peaceful resistance as a first effort, but after hundreds of years of peaceful resistance, innocent blacks are still being slaughtered in the streets. When is it time to change  tactics? America's entire existence and its place in the global hierarchy is predicated upon "might is right". I don't like it, but in a world of unreasonable men, sometimes you have to wield a big stick.
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  12145. Jake Edwards The difference is, Britain grew beyond the days of colonialism. We realised it was wrong and stopped doing it. Would I kill 100s of thousands  of people for money? No, I wouldn't. As for the ACA, it's the best that a nation crippled by capitalism can manage, but if you were truly civilised, you'd move towards single payer. 137 dead from mass shootings and 10,000+ from other types of gun murder. THAT'S the demographic you should be changing your law for. Do YOU know that the US imprisons more people per 1000, than ANY other nation on the planet? do YOU know that blacks are twice as likely to be imprisoned for the same crime as a white? Do YOU know that the highest rape demographic in the country is male prison rape? Do YOU know that women and children are routinely raped in your prisons BY THE GUARDS.  do YOU know that kids have been imprisoned by judges who were being given bribes to send them there.  The number of people in the UK identifying as Christian was 59% in 2011,but when that question was qualified as practicing, it fell below 30%. As opposed to the US where it's impossible to be elected if you don't claim to be Christian. US politics is literally saturated with it at every level. That chart doesn't show quality of life - it shows the composite of life expectancy, education, and income - all of which could be independent of civilisation OR happiness. The median income could be $100k, but if 1% of earners make 90% of that money, it's a meaningless statistic. America is 14th on the education index and falling, 55th on the world happiness index, 32nd on the life expectancy (all substantially below Britain). As for executing kids and the mentally impaired, all that Texas does is raise the bar on the definition of "child" and "mentally incapacitated" and continue business as usual. Guantanamo does not follow the rule of US or international law. Prisoners are held there because it is outside the judicial reach of the US. Don't even START to compare US politicians with the incompetent idiots we have in the US. There are extremely tight regulations on the amount of permitted campaign donations, tight limits on the overall amount that can be spent on a campaign, companies do not have personhood in the US, and our government is not bought by corporates and special interest groups. Your politics is NOTHING like ours. Our politicians are weak, shitty, incompetent, and far too concerned by our relationship with the US, but they are NOT by and large, answerable to donors and business, all of whose influence is limited by law. I stand by my original assertion.
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  12335. ***** I think you need to calm down or you're going to have an aneurism. The ELITES in China, and the literati may well have a deeply held love of knowledge, but given the fact that until the last 50 years 99% of the population was an illiterate peasant class, your overgeneralisation about their love of knowledge was in error. Yet again, you are straw-manning me - when did I ever say that China had embraced western values such as democracy and liberalism? However, they have progressed politically, and the values to which I was most referring was actually capitalism and the aspiration to a non agrarian way of life. I find it amusing to read your apoplectic attempts to portray emigration as a negative "running away". So anyone who chooses to move somewhere different in pursuit of a better life is a coward huh? Better not mention that to America's founding fathers, or any of the inhabitants of Europe who migrated from Africa. At no point did I suggest that accepting immigrants and the improvement of nations from within would achieve the same result. I merely  illustrated that showing less advanced cultures the benefits of a more civilised, less superstitious existence was a good way to help them to aspire to a better life. Wherever they may live. "...Provide it for your own bullshit, you fuckin' hypocite!!!" It's not hypocrisy, because I am willing and capable of doing so. http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/aug/20/past.hearafrica05  I could provide dozens of such links on the subject, but as you won't read them, there is hardly any point. Now you really need to stop using big words when you don't understand their meaning or context. From the Open Society Initiative, I quote "British capital played a key role in extraction of resources during the colonial period, especially in southern and central Africa. The competition to find and control sources of raw materials, including minerals, was one of the main drivers of European penetration and eventual colonial partition of Africa in the last quarter of the 19th century. Africa’s vast resources were plundered to support the development of Britain – and other European powers – while contributing minimally to the development of the continent. " And now Z's turn to provide evidence for his claim that "Diversity isn't a virtue"
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  12805. Michael Coulter I disagree totally. They were his FAMILY members. Do you think that they would have been happy to see their brother imprisoned, and the family torn apart in the eyes of the public? We don't even know WHAT it was that he did, and we certainly don't know that they were traumatised by it. It was HE that brought this matter to his parents' attention, not them. I agree that it's sick that the victims are being interviewed on Fox News. Not because the sisters will stand by their brother, but because they are being exposed to public ridicule for entertainment. They obviously still love their brother deeply. It's impossible to look into the mind of the man he has become, but I suspect that growing up in the cloying atmosphere of such a religious family did not help him to grow up well adjusted. Of course one has no sympathy for his actions, but nor do I personally think that he should suffer for the rest of his life. As for penalties, convicted child abusers have their entire lives ruined, spend their sentence in fear for the lives, no chance of a decent career or becoming a contributing member of society. It's pretty much the only crime that you will NEVER be allowed to atone for, and then put behind you. that does not seem to me, to be a recipe for producing beneficial outcomes. The trouble is, society has such a visceral response to this crime, that they lose their minds. Meanwhile, poverty, and emotional/physical abuse consigns millions of children to far worse lives. Where's the impassioned plea for them from society?
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  12807. Michael Coulter No, I didn't miss the comma, I was being playful with someone who, like you, was being unnecessarily rude. You know - comedy not having to conform to rules of logic OR grammar and all that. I saw it as a way to possibly defuse his hostility with levity. But clearly you are now also butthurt on his behalf, which I'm sure he appreciates. A proxy hater frees him to go off and be rude to another complete stranger. As for your comment about being as bad as a child molester, it only reveals the narrowness of your hate-filled logic. How convenient it must be to live in your black and white world of moral absolutes, with zero understanding for stupid choices even whilst the rest of the world recognises that teenager's do not have a mature decision-making process. This teenager as he was, touched the breasts of younger females, whilst he himself was still a minor. It was clearly distasteful, but probably wouldn't even have got him more than a slap on the wrist and an order to undergo counselling had it gone before an impartial judge. I don't say that this was in any way acceptable, but before you line him up and shoot him, let's get a sense of proportion. Had the parents not informed the girls, literally NO HARM would have been done. He was curious, and acted inappropriately. He was mortified and brought the matter to his parents' attention. This is NOT a serial sex offender who represents an on-going danger to children! Which again, I emphasise, does NOT excuse his actions. but you go through worse - CHILDREN sometimes go through worse - being checked in by the TSA on a flight. So I'm trying to work out if you're a hypocritical Christian, or, as I suspect, a pompous atheist. If the latter, I would expect you to embrace rationalism a little more, and recognise that Duggar's bigotry is a DIRECT result of his upbringing, and whilst it does not give him a get out of jail free card, you of all people, should recognise the near impossibility of escaping the cloying emotional and mental programming from growing up in such an environment, as this is a key component of atheistic arguments for why one person grows up to be a Christian, whilst another is a Muslim. And if you're a Christian, you're just a hypocrite through and through. What about love, what about forgiveness, what about redemption, what about it not being your place to judge?
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  12809. Michael Coulter Michael you are in possession of information that I am not regarding this case, and the facts as you have stated them place a very different complexion on the case, and I am starting to understand your feelings, especially in light of your personal revelation. There is a spectrum of wrong, even within a case like this. Sodomising or raping a child produces actual physical harm, touching a sleeping child does not. Of course, it is still completely unacceptable, but as another commenter has pointed out, the harm in this case has been caused to the girls by revealing what happened to them. Shame and guilt are literal killers, and whilst we debate the morality of his actions, the truth is, the near-hysterical atmosphere towards this subject in some quarters (not making an oblique snide reference to you Michael) worsens the outcome FOR THE VICTIMS. I'm not big on punishment or revenge for any crime period, because I don't think it reduces negative outcomes, but merely panders to humanity's baser instincts. I favour treatment and restitution. Eventually, I hope that society will do whatever produces the best outcome for the good of society, without discarding the criminals as well. Criminals do not spontaneously occur out of a vacuum, and just as poverty leads to criminality, I find it impossible to believe that the atmosphere in which these kids were raised has not had a contributory effect. If there is one take-away where I totally share your repugnance, it's this family holding themselves up as paragons of virtue, even to the extent of OPPOSING the lifestyles of others.
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  12939. +Jee Dee I'm sorry but I did NOT describe sexism. I was describing preference based upon ABILITY - the fact that ability is linked to gender is coincidental. Female MMA fighter Rhonda Rousey is currently the best paid fighter on UFC. I watch her, and she earns what she earns because she provides exactly the same entertainment value as men. I don't watch female Olympians for the same reason that I don't watch Chinese basketball, or Saudi ice skaters - they're not worth watching. I didn't for one second suggest that there was no audience for female Olympians, but almost all female sports attract significantly lower viewing figures. That's clearly not because men do not find looking at healthy female bodies appealing, but because female SPORT is unappealing to a significant percentage of the audience. You keep saying that " target demographic is skill", yet I have demonstrated repeatedly that whilst skill gets you into a position where you can attract attention, it is NOT the sole factor in determining sponsorship. Don't believe me? Find a beautiful, skilful girl and then reveal that she is a paedophile - see how much sponsorship her skill gets her then. The fact that this woman MAY (and I'm still not sure I believe her story) have been passed over because she is insufficiently attractive is NOT sexist because EXACTLY the same thing may occur if she was an ugly male. At WORST, it's merely superficial - exactly like the people who might buy suntan cream because an attractive surfer is wearing it.
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  12944. +Jee Dee "Given that surfing brands are an image driven market" You said it right there."If you're so against "affirmative action" based upon merit and achievements "When it comes to the rights of advertisers to spend their own budgets however they see fit, I am absolutely against affirmative action, because the alternative is to lay out this huge list of demographics and then insist that they spend equally on each group.And you STILL haven't shown that this was sexism as opposed to "attractivism". You suggested that if it was a man, being less attractive would be less of an impediment, and you're probably correct. But even THAT is not sexism. It's a reflection of the fact that we have gendered standards of what attractiveness represents, so a less aesthetic male comes across as rugged, whereas a less aesthetic female comes across as masculine.I'm a reasonably fair minded guy: I'm not particularly bothered how this woman looks, but if she was pig ugly and you stick her in a bikini (as most surf females are portrayed in media), I would find that image actively DISSUASIVE of whatever she was selling. Why? Because our responses to attractiveness kick in before our intellectual analysis of the proposition on offer. And I should also note my surprise that you are not railing against the fact that female surfers are all portrayed in bikinis. "then most industries would be boycotted already"Most industries WOULD NOT be boycotted, because the target demographics are not interested in the kind of level of enforced equality that you appear to espouse. But I will agree with you on several issues. Provided it is not her behaviour in contract negotiations or on the circuit that prevented her attaining sponsorship, it is unfair in a cosmic sense, that she does not attain the same rewards for her effort as a male. It's unfair that babies die of cancer. You can't legislate for the inequities of life. I also agree that she has achieved incredible success and deserves full respect for that, and her appearance should play NO part in that (nor has it). Her hard work and skills have earned her respect as a surfer. That respect does not come with a guaranteed sponsorship deal, anymore than being the world's best male gymnast or baton twirler does. If she wanted wealth she should have become a banker.
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  12970. thisjerksaguy So far you've posted six comments in this thread. Every one has been nothing more than a unsubstantiated assertion, contrary to  the evidence I might add, and every one has finished with an insult. You've added nothing, whilst we can point to global communications monitoring systems such as eschelon which have been operating for decades, or more recent data acquisition systems that make eschelon look like a child's toy. The fact that these systems are not routinely turned  against the rank and file citizenry YET is not the point - they have that capacity. The laws are in place, the erosion of our rights is in place, and there are  plenty of precedents to demonstrate that they are willing and able to monitor our communications at the drop of a hat. Have you never seen crime reports, where the suspects' exact movements are tracked via their phone?  Did you not follow the case with Glen Greenwald;,a legitimate journalist being monitored and harassed across borders - as well as his boyfriend? Have you not been paying attention to the news that Hotmail scans ALL emails AS A MATTER OF COURSE for questionable content? Were you not following  the revelations in light Edward Snowden in which it was revealed that conversations between ordinary military personnel and their girlfriends were monitored and perved over? We can ALREADY demonstrate that eschelon IS real, and what is a privacy invasion system managed by five major international powers if not a global conspiracy? I realise it's important for your superiority complex to post yet another childish retort, but when you do, just realise that the only person who looks foolish now is you. This is already happening. It's in the mainstream media. It's widely reported by reputable news sources, and more.. It's fact. Now sneeringly tell us again how we're "conspiracy theorists" whilst ignoring the wealth of evidence to contrary.
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  13050. Storm-Y Bey Okay, being a little pedantic now given the framing of my statement, but I'll accept your slap on the wrist for my lack of precise clarity. Please don't call me ignorant  in the same sentence as you misspell the word "write", it doesn't increase your credibility. We'll just call that one all on the foo foos and continue shall we? ;-) Of course a divorce will change a man's standard of living - she gets to take half of his stuff and a percentage of his future income! But even if that were not the case, I'll concede the point that a woman provides services to the home (that men simply might not bother about without their presence, such as cooking and cleaning). I'll also concede that two can indeed live more cheaply than one (especially one who now has to give a percentage of his income to the other IN ADDITION to his living costs. At no point did I say that in ALL cases, women are dependent upon men. In the example you gave, the couple are non-dependent, or co-dependent (until the woman needs a spider squished or a jar opening - just being facetious ;-) If anyone is biased, it's you. You have the conformation bias of someone who has been raised in a society tells you that you are equal in every way, when you clearly are not. You see only those things that affirm your existing beliefs, whilst glossing over the things that do not. Does that mean that you should not be afforded equal respect - of course not. I show you EXACTLY the same respect in this conversation as I would to any man (more in some cases because you are polite and we're having a reasonable conversation). Does that mean you should be patronised or treated worse? Of course not. Does it mean that you should earn equal pay for an equal job? Possibly not, for reasons we haven't even touched upon. And does that mean that maybe, just maybe, the core idea of this personality's point had an essence of truth? That there  is a demographic of ex wives who are financially less secure and as a result can be targeted by a politician who recognises their existence? Yes, of course it does. But if you can persuade me that my beliefs are wrong, I'm open to a well reasoned argument.
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  13052. Storm-Y Bey I assumed nothing of the sort. I used YOUR statistic which stated that only 1/3 of women are the PRIMARY wage earner. That means that in 2/3 of cases, they receive more financially from the relationship, than they contribute. their employment status beyond that is irrelevant. You chose the example where the woman earns wages as an equal then use that to extrapolate my answer to THAT SPECIFIC CASE- how dishonest is that - nice trick - fooling no one. Of course, in a relationship where both partners contribute equally, if that relationship fails, then both partners should walk away with half. But that's not how it happens is it? even in the example you gave, they split the estate down the middle, then HE STILL HAS TO CONTINUE PAYING HER ALIMONY. It's not sexist to point out that that's unfair. I notice that you feel the need to continue throwing in insults at every post. That doesn't strengthen your argument. And now you're equating me to a racist? Hmmm - you're pulling out the full loser playbook here - attack the person not the argument. do you not see how foolish it is to accuse someone of sexism for simply laying out the facts? It's like calling someone a racist for pointing out that black is darker than white. Buddy, I'll happily put my intellect AND my knowledge of this subject up against yours any day. You've mostly argued from emotion, ignoring the wealth of far more common examples that contradict your position, whilst I've cited example after example from the real world. Let's talk about ignorance again.
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  13131. SomeCartoonChick No go on, demonstrate your insecure need for moral superiority by starting with a patronising and ill-conceived insult. Do you feel better now? 1. Demonstrably not true. Each state and jail  has their own rules on what inmates are expected to do whilst in jail. Some spend 23 miserable hours per day in their cells. Others work. The ones who work are the lucky ones. The monotony of their day is broken up, and they get to increase their income if they are paid. 2. I was PRECISELY addressing the original poster's point. He was saying that financial inequality should not be an issue once in prison. I pointed out that at EVERY stage of the judicial system, financial inequality is a reality of life. But for the record, my preferred means of administering this system would be that the  prisoners are FORCED to work, and all of their expenses are taken from their pay. I agree that it's utterly injustice that a rich kid can kill 4 people and get off lightly with a defence of affluenza whilst a poor black teenager can be sent to prison for 2 years for accidentally receiving stolen property. But it's the reality of a judicial system where defence costs money, and more money equals better defence. How would you address this without unfairly denying the wealthy of buying the best lawyers money can buy? 3. I said to raise their KIDS right, not their parents. If you're not even going to read what I wrote, you really have no business commenting on it. Bad  parenting, whether brought about by poverty or disinterest, is a massive factor in criminality. There are plenty of poor kids in violent areas who do NOT turn to crime. Parents SHOULD to some degree, be held accountable for the children they raise. Please, finish this point with a silly unfounded assumption about me "wanting poor people down". That really improves your credibility. 4. Did I make a fucking exception in the case of the death penalty or did I just imagine it?! Jeez, read my words before strawmanning me would you? But just for the hard-of-thinking (that's you), I'm not for the death penalty at all, for precisely the reason that it cannot be retracted if someone is found to be innocent at a later date. I did not comment about the FAIRNESS OF THE SENTENCE. I merely commented that we must act on the assumption that everybody in prison deserves to be there equally. You can't determine the sentence based upon whether or not you think that they might actually have been innocent. That is not the prevue of the judge. The judge's job is simply to determine a sentence. If you want to address the fact that the poor are far more likely to be found guilty than the wealthy, blacks more likely than whites, males more likely than females, then I am VERY willing to have that discussion, and you will find that I am TOTALLY on the side of redressing these inequities, even though it's an insurmountable problem, and the only way to address it is to unreasonably convict more rich people. 5. Again, you have wandered off on a strawman tangent. Whether inmates work in prison or not makes little to no difference to their ability to get a job after prison. Employers are perfectly understandably reticent to hire a convicted felon, regardless of how they spent their time in prison. Many inmates justifiably have serious emotional problems after prison. These are caused by the feral nature of prison, the sexual abuse by inmates and guards alike, and being treated like scum for months or years. These are issues that are utterly independent from whether or not they are charged something for their keep. Giving them the self esteem of a regular job in prison, as well as contributing towards their incarceration is unquestionably a positive move not a negative, as is offering them the opportunity to educate themselves and earn qualifications. And did I for one second, suggest that anyone tacks on a huge debt when they leave? I agree that such a move would be utterly counterproductive. Now we can both continue to be insulting, or we can have an adult exchange of views on this issue?
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  13136. WikeddTung I heard this argument when music programs came out 20 years ago that enabled ordinary people to start making music. Those who had dedicated years to mastering instruments started complaining that it wasn't "real" music. Certainly, music was now being made by people who could not read music, had no comprehension of form and couldn't play instruments. The volume (amount) of music went up a thousand fold, and the ratio of dross increased exponentially as well, given you more to sort through to discover the quality, but the tools ALSO enabled those with commitment and talent to produce more adventurous work, more quickly, without the limitations of their own instrumental technique being the deciding factor.There has always been "consumer art", and masterful art. If you doubt it, just compare the wide range in Greek Kouros statues, which do not simply represent an evolution of the form, but an influx of copycats. Same with the religious or mythical art of the middle ages. Some of it was stunning, but there was an awful lot of by-the-numbers dross that looked like people had once seen a great work, then gone home and created their own feeble version. What is it they say about repetition being the sincerest form of flattery?The market has ALWAYS been flooded with unimaginative copycats. I personally have done some, as well as a good deal of original work. It's how artists learn their craft. At the same time, there has also always been a need for functional, but affordable. Not every movie can afford a score by John Williams. Not every art lover can afford a landscape by Constable.In the modern age, the noise ratio has leapt massively, and as a student of art, I can appreciate that you may have a much more keenly developed sense of that than most, but in my opinion and wide experience, there are far more talented artists now, when artistic capability is no longer the domain of the wealthy.I am curious however, what you mean when you talk about "The result is a lot of superfluous surface decoration (especially from digital design) and incongruous form, a lot of showiness for the sake for showiness and a lot of entertainment with little substance. It's almost the opposite of creativity.""People have blogs where they appropriate other people's images and intellectual property as somehow representing them and everybody is a "curator". "Yes, I agree with that. I feel that we live in an age where art is changing its fundamental nature in some ways. Just as the invention of oil paints doubtless radically changed the face of painting, or colour changed photography, there will always be those who bemoan the fact that things are "too easy" nowadays, whilst other recognise it as new stage in the evolution of a form of human expression that by its very nature, is in a constant state of flux." think eventually we'll see a turning back to a classical sensibility and then we'll see how really talented people use technology to make individual statements" I don't think we'll ever see a return to that former era because the public lacks the discernment to care, but perhaps amongst the cognoscenti and patrons of the arts, such a sensibility may re-emerge. Personally, I'm not convinced it ever went away.
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  13208.  @MerryXmasMfkrs  I don't doubt for a second, the truth of everything you just said about the harms you just highlighted, but you're not debating rationally. Your entire argument is predicated upon "If you saw what I've seen, you'd think differently." That is simply an appeal to emotion. You said, "People die from food, alcohol cigarrettes, blahblah... ok, let's give them an even worse poison." The standard for whether or not something is legal is not "Drugs harm people so let's weigh our decision against the harm caused by adding to that." I doon't consume alcohol, but I'd be outraged if it was made illegal begal because "drugs are bad mmkay." Driving fast is fatal. Driving drunk is fatal. Does the government ban ALL driving, punishing the vast majority who are sensible drivers? If I told you horror stories of all the road accident victims I've seen dead; the children mangled, the devastated families, would that make an argument to ban driving any more convincing? There are numerous studies that show that the black market and BANNING drugs is what leads to its abuse just as it did with alcohol during prohibition. If people could legally buy good quality marijuana and cocaine at a reasonable, perhaps they would never fall into the clutches of dealers who push them towards harder, more expensive drugs. Indeed, in Colorado, when marijuana was legalised, usage DROPPED. It would also facillitate better, more open dialogues about the dangers of abuse in schools, rather than the puritanical pearl clutching current approach that simply pushes young people away from accurate guidance. On a personal note, I am 100% opposed to government involving itself in anything where there is no harm to others, and yes, I realise familes suffer - the same is true of any self harming or risky behaviour - but there comes a point when self responsibility and autonomy is more important than protecting family members from discomfort. I do NOT accept other people making my decisions for me. Thank you for your good wishes. I wish you an excellent life also.
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  13513. +eddieisfiction It's not a matter of whether it's worth much or not. It's a question of why workers in just a few industries are EXPECTED to receive tips. You have still given no response to this point, which suggests to me that you don't give tips out of generosity, but out of convention.There is literally NO good reason why low paid workers in one industry deserve tips, and workers on the same or lower wages in others do not. You want to show sympathy, what about people in Walmart who do not receive a living wage from a 40 hour week. But I'm gonna bet that you don't tip the greeter at the door, nor the cashier who checks out your order. And for the record, I'm actually an extremely generous tipper - if the service warrants it. But I like the option to withhold tips if service is bad. Charge whatever you like on the menu, but if you include a gratuity, I'll stop visiting. My local restaurant was very reasonable and I ate there regularly. Recently they increased the menu by over 30% and now I don't. There's a cost equation whether tips are included or not, and as this trial showed, increasing the price on the menu, or forcing tips will ultimately only harm the people whose interests you support. For most people, eating out counts as a luxury, and luxuries are the first to go when budgets are squeezed. It's not people "like me" who are the problem, it's do-gooders like you who don't recognise that equation and force their silly pseudo morality onto others using guilt or other pressures.
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  13615.  @absolutelynot6086  "what had to happen first is to stop villifying all who claim disability" I know three people who claim disability. One had a stroke; the other two are simply gaming the system. I imagine it must be extremely frustratiing to have a genuine disability and be viewed sceptically. It's extremely frustrating to be a man and viewed as a potential predator and rapist. The universe doesn't care about fairness. I certainly don't view the disabled with disdain. I view non-disabled pretending to be disabled with disdain. All the assholes walking into shops without masks because they have "conditions" all of a sudden. I despise them. Selfish vermin. I feel nothing but compassion to people such as yourself. But there HAVE to be finiancial limits. Of course employers don't want to hire sight impaired people. Why would they - they're not charities. If I have the choice between someone with no issues, and someone who may have a condition that may worsen, at best will require special accomodations, and will be harder to fire, why on earth would I hire the costlier liability? It's unfortunate but it's just a harsh reality of existence, as is your impairment. "you cannot punish the whole for the sins of a few " Really, then why is the speed limit 70 instead of "just drive safely"? My mother is not disabled, but being old is a disability in its own right, complete with many medical issues. But she recognises that it is unfair that millions should be spent sustaining her for a few more years when so many young people have costly medical needs.
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  13807. I tell you what, I'll stop spewing "the usual boring ass "examples" when they stop being true and current huh? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-35976958 You're the same kind of idiot who tells black people to stop complaining that the police keep killing them. "apostasy isnt in the Quran just stop already" https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/apostasy.aspx Learn what you're talking about before lecturing others. "You dont like muslims because it feels foreign and scary,"Stop with your self righteous SJW psychobabble. The Jews were never blowing themselves up in public places, and beheading innocent civilians in the name of their religion. I don't like Islam because it is the avowed goal of the religion to impose itself on the entire world whether the world wants it or not. I don't like Muslims because large numbers of so-called moderates support violence against those who insult their prophet. I don't like Muslims because in Britain, they have doubled in number from 1.5 to 3 million in just 10 years and even if their beliefs were NOT toxic, I don't want Britain taken over by a theology. I don't like Muslims because they are lying apologists about the fact that their prophet was a paedophile. So you sit there with your self righteous head up your ass if you like, whilst these people run gangs that rape 1400 British school girls, and SJWs like you make the police so scared of being branded racist (ha ha) that they don't intervene. But meanwhile, Europe is slowly drowning under a tide of regressive theological bullshit, thanks to uncle tom apologists like you who sit there denying the truth and creating a toxic atmosphere where those who DO want to do something about it are portrayed as racists.
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  13948. Tell you what, why don't you just write an entire biography for me whilst you're simply pulling stuff out of your ass. But let's just address your comments one at a time: 1. Kyle is being an ultralib because, like you, his kneejerk reaction is "poor prisoners" not, poor society that has to deal with them. He immediately characterised them in the mildest possible was to elicit sympathy for them, rather than taking the balanced approach that recognised that very many prisoners deserve to be there. 2. The punishment is whatever society deems the punishment is - re-education, community service, jail time or execution. To simply state that jail time "is the punishment - FACT", precludes the possibility that society might find more beneficial means of dealing with criminals. And you prove to me that that's a fact. You won't be able to, because you won't find a statement of intent by the penal system regarding imprisonment. 3. At no time did I EVER suggest that we SHOULD load prisoners up with debt. Do you have any idea how ignorant it was of you to assume that that was what I was proposing? Your posts are just one strawman after another. But just to be clear, I would propose that inmates should do paid work during their incarceration, from which is deducted money to pay a contribution towards their living expenses. They'll never repay as much as it actually costs, because it's expensive to keep people in prison.  I absolutely DO NOT advocate sending people out of prison with lots of debt. But I do advocate that they should work whilst they are inside. Why SHOULD prisoners be relieved of any burden of responsibility just because they are incarcerated? You're so trapped in chains of conventional thinking that you can't conceive the possibility that alternatives might actually be better for the inmates as well as society. 4. Demonize and spit down on? It's funny, but the person jumping to massive conclusions here at every possible opportunity, is you. At no time have I suggested ANY disrespect to prisoners (even though many are total scum - rapists, child murderers, robbers, gang bangers, etc). I also acknowledged in the final line of my original post, that the imprisonment criteria should be evaluated so as, for instance, to totally eliminate all drug USERS for starters. So go on, why don't  you try to take an unwarranted moral high ground by totally misrepresenting and strawmanning my position for the third time?! Or maybe this time, you could stop your stupid posturing and actually try to evaluate my suggestions on their merits, rather than what you want them to say to make you feel morally superior.
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  13954. Bully you? YOU were the one who came charging into a discussion swearing, and with your foolish talk of god, parading your ignorant misunderstandings. So you have 3 kids. If one gets hit by a car do you just stand there with your hand up and say to the medics, "No, don't save him - only god has the power over life and death"? If you do, then you don't deserve kids. "Can you just choose to not die when your time comes?" Yes, if I have a heart attack, or I've accidentally cut myself, or any of a million other fixable conditions. Otherwise you'd likely have died at childbirth. "I do not get myself involved in other people's problems " Well isn't that fucking charitable of you. Let's hope nobody ever thinks that way about your kids if they ever need it. And who the hell Is talking about murdering anyone? Organ donation happens AFTER death. Someone dies in an accident or from a condition that leaves their organs healthy, and the organs are used for other people. You say I don't have a real point when you keep saying God this and god that, then you say I'M using manufactured beliefs to put you down. Does the word "irony" mean anything to you? Some bronze age people made up a fairy story about a sky daddy, and here you are, smart enough to operate a computer, still believing fairy stories. Quite frankly, it's clear that you've come shouting and ranting into someone else's conversation without even understanding what the subject of the conversation was. I suggest you apologise for your ignorance and your rudeness, then leave quietly before you humiliate yourself further. And by the way - sentences and paragraphs. Try them sometime.
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  14104. +Naryan Robinson Do you think that Walmart considers the emotional and health welfare of the people it does not pay enough to live? Do you think Britain's biggest companies would farm out all their labour to countries with no minimum wage, virtually non-existent health and safety, and child labour if they did NOT view people as assets rather than valued individuals? I am not saying I endorse that view by a long way; I am merely stating the way that it is.Children are something special and wonderful to those who want to have them, but to those who do not, they are simply another of life's choices, like a car or a house. That doesn't decrease their value TO YOU, but don't expect the rest of society to share your values. An increasing proportion of people are choosing NEVER to have kids as they realise that they are not necessary to a fulfilling life. That is a dispassionate evaluation made by people who realise that, enriching though children can be, they are also choices to be made in the plus and minus ledger of one's life. If you cannot see that, then it is YOU who is detached from reality. Perhaps if more people evaluated the impact of child rearing logically, rather than simply drifting into it, there'd be less unwanted kids, or less kids raised by single parents, to the detriment of the kids AND society.I realise that people like you get some kind of gratification and sense of moral superiority by being outraged at everything, but honestly, I'm neither fooled nor impressed. If you'd like to have an intelligent conversation about the issues, rather than using silly fake indignation littered with schoolboy ad hominem's as a tactic, come back and try again.
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  14109. +randomacc27 I agree with almost everything you said there (except questioning my obviously considerable intelligence ;-) And I agree that we need the next generation. Where I am conflicted, is the idea that people should be REWARDED for providing that generation. There is not, nor ever will be a shortage of people willing to have children, planned or otherwise. As a single person, I already pay a disproportionate penalty for that - a higher tax code, a great deal of which is used to support the young via school, medical care, etc. Most of which I willingly pay to help nurture the young. And then IN ADDITION to that, you suggest that I should further contribute to the months or years of leave that people take whilst child raising? Whilst I am certainly no libertarian or brutal capitalist, leaning more towards socialism than most, a large part of me still feels that people should not have kids that they cannot afford to raise. If you cannot afford for one of you to take 6 months out of your career to raise a child, then don't have a child. People are not born with the right to OWN their own home, two cars, a big screen TV, state of the art phones, and all of the other luxuries that they seem to expect nowadays. In the past, people had to live a little more modestly, but nowadays, single people support the lifestyle expectations of the middle class. I don't see that as reasonable. However, you make a very persuasive case about the need for a next generation, but it is not one that I find absolutely compelling, hence my conflict. Thank you for your most interesting thoughts on the subject.
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  14168. Xzamilloh Please don't tell me what I do or  do not mean when I talk about the "gay agenda". I articulated PRECISELY what I meant - nothing more, nothing less. The fact that YOU may take it to mean more is down to YOUR insecurity, not my lack of clarity. I didn't say that the gay agenda was bad. In fact, I made it clear that I agreed with the first two aspects of it. The  normalisation of  same sex attraction is a very good thing. It breaks my heart when I see teen after teen committing suicide over gay bullying, and it enrages me to think of all the kids daily suffering from homophobia at school. My school life was made miserable and lonely through racial bullying, so I have great empathy for these kids. But like any social change desired by a minority group, you cannot force people to  accept it simply because it's fair. As for why, there is a gay agenda, there are many reasons. To avoid muddying the water, let's just say that it's because there's no reason NOT to give equal rights to people who have no choice in who they are, simply because one personally disagrees with it. Because personal bigotry or bronze age thinking is no basis for determining social and  legal policy. Any social change tactician would be wise to recognise that there may be a massive difference between changing the  law, and changing people's attitudes. Often the latter leads to the former, as it is doing with marijuana, but if people are commanded by law to change their beliefs, many would sooner die than do so - just ask all the Christians who were fed to the  lions rather than recanting their faith. You and  I really are on the same side, but you seem somewhat sensitive (not without some cause). However, this is exactly  the kind of "bite at everyone" kind of behaviour that ALIENATES people, rather than drawing them towards your position.
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  14967.  @jadis40  I'd have imposed martial law in March for 2 or 3 or 4 weeks without even blinking an eye. Not out of authoritarianism, but because a government's primary function is the wellbeing of the people. It was clear from the very start that it would never be over in a couple of weeks because the lockdown was never comprehensive. If it HAD been, coupled with effective track and trace, a ban on all travel into the country, and adequate PPP for genuinely essential workers and a total edict on mask wearing in stores, plus a flawless example set from the highest level, the number of deaths would have been tiny, and we'd likely be back to relatively normal life now, as they are in Australia or new Zealand. This entire situation has been a guidebook on how to mishandle a national pandemic. And yes, OF COURSE the restrictions will be lifted. They can't WAIT to do so. Johnson is a populist - all he wants is to be loved (and to enrich himself and his cronies). Do you think he wants to make the painful decisions? Of course not, because he's a coward, which is why he wanted to open for Christmas even though it was clearly an insane thing to do. But you don't buy hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine if your end game is to lock people down indefinitely. They're already halving the dosage in order to double the number of people given immunity quickly. There is ZERO evidence to indicate that the government has any desire to lock the nation down indefinitely. But if that WAS the plan, to what end? How would it be financially sustainable? How would it be socially sustainable? How would a country whose coffers never fully recovered from the 2008 recession, manage to pay for all the millions whose businesses have been suspended or destroyed? How would they prevent the eventual anarchy? And how would poverty serve the elites? You say you're looking at the bigger picture. Ignoring the slide towards fascism that you seem to be implying, what are the other consequences, and how do they weigh compared to the loss of life? Yes, people need to get back to work and school - no argument from me - but we hit 1000 deaths yesterday and that was WITH a national lockdown. America has lost 300,000+ with a far lower population density (although admittedly many of those in cities). You have only seen the consequences in Britain when we were trying hard to control the virus. How many people are you willing to sacrifice if we simply surrender all efforts? You say you are thinking long term, but I don't believe you are considering the many knock-on effects. I am VERY concerned about the economy, and perhaps even more concerned for an entire generation of children aged 4-7 who are missing education during the most important language and socialisation formative years. To me, it is a lesser of two evils - a draconian restriction on ALL our liberties for a month (or however long the science suggests to within reason), then the death of the virus; or trying to appease people who consider that an unacceptable infringement, and sacrificing hundreds of thousands of people. People who are financial supporters, child carers and more. To say nothing of the non-covid patients who die due to the lack of hospital beds.
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  15074.  @LamiNalchor  "The definition of when your freedom is causing harm for others can not be defined precisely." It may be slightly fuzzy at the borders, but not much. If it upsets a person to know that some people enjoy drugs, should the user stop taking them for instance? No, because the Karen's emotional issues are for HER to resolve, just as they would be if the Karen didn't think black people deserved to be treated equally. It primarily comes down to the definition of "harm." Off the top of my head, I consider harm to be only direct physical or social damage done as a direct result of drug use. For instance, if hospitals are overwhelmed with dying drug users, or drug users are consistently violent, or they die in such high numbers that families are traumatised. But even then, we don't apply that standard to smoking, drinking, eating bad food, or engaging in risky behaviour, so why should drug use be a special case? I think that you keep hiding behind "functionality of a society" to avoid addressing the real issues of civil liberties.To co-opt Milton Freedman “A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.” In this case, you are so preoccupied with what you perceive to be the social good of protecting it and the user, that ignore the far greater issue of personal liberty. I will concede one point you made - "Many people, especially less educated ones, know little about the effects of drugs, particularly party/designer drugs." I don't know if this is the case, but nor am I certain that it is not.
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  15109.  @1newme425  It's not murder when it's not yet a human. Is it murder when you have sex and your sperm are flushed down the toilet? They're independently alive. They'd POTENTIAL humans. A fetus is not a human. It's not a baby. I don't know at precisely what point it becomes one; when it develops a brain I'd say. Before that, it's just cells made of human stuff. I never said Jesus didn't exist. There's reasonable evidence he did but it's far from irrefutable. But nice try, switching Jesus for God. If I was God, I would have created my creations not to REQUIRE destruction in the first place. God is supposedly omniscient, yet he either didn't see that coming, or didn't care that he'd end up wiping out 95% of the creations he supposedly loves. "Sorry I can't allow you to lie. You can't passionately hate it and then let it happen. One is a lie. You are lying. If you did hate it you would be against it, and fight with everything in you to stop it. That's why I know it's a lie. There is no mitigating excuses, non. " So glad that you became a mind reader now. So there's no mitigating excuses for abortion, but they're just fine when God does it? You are so full of it I'm surprised you can stand your own hypocrisy. I'd explain the mitigating factors, but you are clearly not capable of rational thought. "Look to simple information theory.. It's not random, there is always a mind behind it." Oh dear, you're going to pull that one now huh? You really need to stop watching Answers in Genesis and William Lane Craig - they don't prepare you well for these conversations. For a start, you are equivocating over the meaning of "information." The sun conveys information. Within the laws of physics, it can be read and comprehended. "Things go the other way, entropy, goes to simple not complex." Wrong on multiple levels. For starters, entropy only occurs in a CLOSED SYSTEM. We do not know that the universe IS a closed system, and the Earth most certainly is not, nor ever has been. And if things go towards simple, how do crystals and snow flakes form? How do babies grow? "That's why a mind is involved." Ha ha. Even IF there was a mind (and all the stages can be explained without one), that doesn't lead to God, and certainly not the Christian God. "That's the proof. It's so amazing, and wow, my mind is blown." Is it blown by all the parasites that eat us, the diseases, the viruses, the disasters, the massive, massive loss of life, the misery, all the animals that live in horror then die brutally, the plants that kill us, and our own so, so VERY imperfect bodies? You don't get to claim the nice bits for god and disavow all the other stuff. "with it was random, it's not. If it were it would be just a soup of nothing." I suggest you don't argue subjects you are clearly massively ignorant and indoctrinated on. NOBODY claims evolution is random except ignorant Christians misrepresenting it. "Look and see things in another way, and then a lot of what we are told will be like, hang on... It's just a world view telling you," The lack of self awareness here is absolutely staggering. I already DID look beyond my world view - as a former Christian, and what I saw was an embarrasing fairy story created by patriarchal warlords and priests and goat herders from the bronze age. "That's why first seek God and you will see." Nope. Not how it works. I seek THE truth, not YOUR truth. I don't start with the conclusion then look for ways to make it true. "You will be so happy to see as well, because it's the truth" That's why the majority of prison inmates in America are Christians right? That's why US evangelicals voted for a POS like Trump as president right? As for happiness, a cow might be happy in its ignorance but it still ends up in the slaughterhouse. I will not delude myself simply to make the bleakness of the universe more palatable. You seem genuinely well-meaning, but you are like a walking poster child for the silly apologetics of Ken Ham or Kent Hovind's pitiful apologetics. They're conmen and liars and you've surrendered your intellect to them.
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  15518. ​ @rhondaingranm858  Declassifying SOME documents is not the same as declassifying THESE documents. He couldn't even name whch documents were in his possesssion so how could they be declassified? You can't just say "I declassify everything" - that's not how it works. I absolutely think Biden would break the law - he's a politician - they're all lying cheating sc*m, but the way THESE specific classified documents were handled was TOTALLY different to Trump who tried to hide them, hold onto them, then lied about his declassifification. To be clear, the issue is not just that Trump still HAD classified documents - it depends what they were and what he planned to do with them. It's that he refused to hand them back. Even when it was just Trump, I could easily imagine a situation where a man handling thousands of documents might simply forget where some were, and forget to return them. "They have all trumps business records where is the 64 million he's getting as payoffs." Are you serious?! His inept son in law just landed a business deal with the saudis worth 4 billion dollars. The same saudis that trump sacrifice the lives of hundreds of dissidents to. The same saudis Trump just signed a huge deal with. To use the word Trump loved to use regarding Hunter, it was a quid pro quo. Difference is, Joe was not president at the time. Perhaps he should have paid more attention to his own Ukranian aid quid pro quo scandal? The money doesn't have to go through his own bank account. However, given that criminal Trump runs over 500 shell businesses to HIDE his international dealings, there could easily be bribery money still hidden in there somewhere. "Follow the money." Thank you. Yes, I'm taking that advice. I'm following the money Trump keeps grifting. I'm following the tax money the Trump organisation got found guilty of cheating. I'm following the billions he's about to get fined. I'm following the money he paid in Chinese taxes. I'm following the Russian business deals. Sooo much corruption.
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  15565.  @yoloswaggins7121  No soldier (or policeman) signs up to take NEEDLESS risks. Yes, killing innocent children is unfair. War is unfair. Terrorism is unfair. If they don't like their kids getting killed, don't become a terrorist. Yes, I am absolutely talking about this case. You don't seriously believe he blew himself up do you? They dropped a bomb on the house from altitude then went in on the ground. And I'm 100% satisfied with that, because he was a terrorist. Then they tried to make it that HE killed all those people to appease well meaning liberals like you who are high on morality and low of prosaic practicality. In any action where civilians may become collateral damage, there is a cost benefit equation. Blowing up an entire hospital in Gaza because a single terrorist may be inside is outrageous. However, if half the hierarchy of Hamas were being treated there, then killing 100 innocent civilians could save the lives of thousands more so a reasonable exchange. The reason I didn't answer your Kabul attack was because it was going to take us down a whole lot of routes about the justification of terrorism as a tactic in the first place. I absolutely DO think it's justified. It's the weapon of the underdog. The Taliban had zero chance fighting toe to toe with America, yet they still forced them to withdraw. They fought smart. We can debate whether or not they are good people, but they had more right to be there than America did. I say this with respect, but idealists like you are all very well meaning in principle, thinking in absolutes and high-minded morality, but when yuo've been around a while, you realise that the world doesn't work like that. If you throw your soldiers lives away cheaply to protect the lives of terrorist families, you'd lose the political fight at home, and the confidence of the troops. That's EXACTLY what happened with Vietnam. America was on the verge of WINNING militarily, but the media footage of body bags and mass student protests, meant that the government, that was more concerned about its OWN survival, caved to public sentiment and withdrew. You cannot operate a war by public approval, which is why journalist access in Iraq was so restricted. And yes, I 100% think that killing 1 innocent child to kill a terrorist who has killed 10s of thousands is a fair trade. I suspect that you would be the one faced with the trolley problem, would choose to kill 10 because you refused to take the action that would kill 1. Ultimately, that is a failing of YOUR reasoning. Morality isolated from real world practicality is useless.
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  15651.  @mememachine5244  So your position is the world would not be successful without businesses paying people a wage to do things? Hmmmm. That seems like a much softer assertion than you were making at the beginning, but if that is ALL yuo are claiming, then yes, I'll grant it. As for university funding, you just pulled up the funding for a single university, now here's a study for the system in the UK as a whole. https://www.universitiesuk.ac.uk/policy-and-analysis/reports/Documents/2016/university-funding-explained.pdf that supports my statsistics. Perhaps a little less arrogance from you huh? "Sorry but you are just simply wrong, science came after business, science NEEDS business and a strong economy." more unsubstantiated assertions. I gave you multiple examples, including the LHC that you worked on, where business was not needed. How many more do I need to look up before you admit that maybe your claim is not as watertight or absolute as you seem to think? As for your comment on research funding, I quote from the University of Sheffield "The UK government funds research in universities through what is known as the ‘dual support’ mechanism. This comprises an annual grant from the funding councils to support the research infrastructure and specific project grants from the research councils to fund particular pieces of research." https://www.sheffield.ac.uk/finance/staff-information/howfinanceworks/higher_education/funding_of_research. I do not doubt that there are many companies funding projects that benefit them, but there are millions of projects that offer nothing in return except minor prestige as a supporter. Why would companies fund them? Many projects are funded by charities, governments or individual benefactors.
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  15729.  @patton3338  "Won't somebody pleeeeease think of the children" The whine of the dishonest since the start of media. Children are the least vulnerable demographic. Indeed, according to some sources, children were more harmed by 18 months in lockdown, than by the virus. To say nothing of all the people who topped themselves. Not sure what correlation you're making about unemployment and mask wearing or vaccination, but I'm pretty certain its bogus. I'm absolutely POSITIVE that your statement "You think an economy can operate well under that unrestricted madness, you're wrong." is just complete nonsense. To be clear - I am 100% in favour of vaccinations. I am NOT in favour of continued restrictions on a highly vaccinated population. Britain has a 70% vaccination rate, tens of millions have had covid, and at this stage, anyone who chooses not to be vaccinated for anything but medical reasons is completely on their own as far as I am concerned. We were told about this holy grail of herd immunity. We were told that Omicron was less harmful. At what point do the needs of the many take precedence? If this child is indeed vulnerable, then don't send her to school. Make sure she and her close contacts are vaxxed. Wear masks around her. How difficult is that? The fact that EVEN THE MOTHER sends the child in because she considers education more important than the trivial risk to her life tells you all you need to know. But yeah I'M the one simping for our corporate overlords. 🤣🤣🤣 Just shut up and do what your climate denying PM tells you to do.
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  15853.  @justmemadison  Again Madison, you're misunderstanding and throwing together a whole hotpot of events to draw an incorrect conclusion. It is NOT, I repeat, NOT the USA's responsibility to be the protector or feeder of the rest of the world. There are millions of starving and dying through lack of health care IN AMERICA. Yet every one of those people pays to help people in other nations who in many cases, are victims of corruption not poverty. Is America supposed to go stop all the corruption as well? And what makes you think the rest of the wold WANTS America interfering in its internal politics choosing winners and losers? How's that working out in Afghanistand, Iraq, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Venezuala or Yemen? You're right - once a deal of friendship or aid is made, that should be honored - what happened with the Kurds and Ukrainians was APPALLING, and the US will pay a trust and credibility penalty for those for decades. But those deals were mae for purely MILITARY reasons, not because the USA gave shit about the lives of people in those nations. In both cases, it made military sense to have a buffer between adjacent nations and those who the US didn't trust. I am NOT infected with greed, but you cannot give away the bread from your own children's mouths to fill those of a stranger. Charity begins at home. Madison, you have lovely idealism, but all idealism needs to be tempered by the intelligence of a prosaic understanding of the limitations of what you can do - Afghanistan is a classic situation where America failed spectacularly and is still entrenched in the longest war in its history. I would also guess with 99% certainty that YOU are not housing any immigrants or homeless in your home for instance, so you understand that fact. Anyway, I hope you and your loved ones are holding up in the pandemic. Take care.
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  15905.  SirVixIsVexed  I shouldn't even need to explain to any intelligent person why libertarianism is a joke, but okay. Rand does not believe in the value of altruism and believes instead, contrary to the example of parents, the power of unions, and the collective defensive might of nation states, that selfishness is the only pure and sensible standard by which to live. She stupidly conflates biological or evolutionary selfishness with social selfishness. She believed that altruism was at odds with capitalism, and that the two could not coexist. She saw altruism as a constraint within which individuals were always sacrificed to the will of the collective, seeing collectivists as little more than drones within a termite nest. Most stupidly, she believed that altruism was the domain of societies too ignorant to exist without savagery, and that in higher societies we could exist without it because we somehow supressed the excesses of human nature, living selfishly, yet within self-imposed boundaries. This of all her pathetic, childish beliefs is the greatest weakness, reflected in modern Libertarianism - the belief that society will somehow self regulate both financially and in terms of the application of physical might, settling into a utopia in which anyone who wishes to work may arise and forge their future on an equal footing. All of history demonstrates that the less oversight, the greater the likelihood that the powerful will arise to take advantage of everyone beneath them to their own detriment. Rand died in poverty, an abject hypocrite, depending upon social security AND medicaid to provide for her treatment as she died of terminal lung cancer.
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  15909. More wealth? Are you kidding you disingenuous idiots? The west has unprecedented levels of wealth, and it's sucked up by a vampiric 1% who use it to ensure that they are free to continue polluting whilst the rest of us have to go through our rubbish sorting it to save resources. All wealth does is pay for liars like you who mislead the population. And population control is vital. As you already pointed out, vast swathes of the population is starving, whilst the wealthy nations use their land to grow foodstuffs for entertainment and biofuels. Soy, rapeseed, coconut, even rice - valuable foodstuffs are stolen by a west that is willing to pay, depriving them of food. And resources do NOT grow exponentuially as people do, you fucking dolts. One woman can increase her ecological footprint by ten fold in ten years simply by having a child a year. Where do you think you'll get the land from for a tenfold increase in food production? Even by the most optimistic estimates, production cannot be increased that rapidly. And if you DO manage that, what about the tenfold rise in greenhouse emissions? You talk about capitalism funding better technology, and you show images of dams and windfarms, but the truth is, the oil industry has a strangle hold over the biggest CO2 producer on the planet, not onlly receiving unneeded subsidies, but actively imposing tarrifs on green energy such as solar. The level of suicidally moronic stupidity displayed by most of the commenters on this video below me, is depressing. You can SEE the planet self destructing - raging fires in California and Australia, increases in scale and frequency of hurricanes, rising sea levels and melting icebergs, global mean temperatures rising at unprecedented rates, and you STILL have the fucking ignorance to attack a girl who is trying to save your stupid lives? I hope you are all the first to choke if it happens.
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  16271.  @rainkidwell2467  Don't be ridiculous. Within ANY demographic group, there are variations and outliers, be it youth athletes, sumo wrestlers, males, females, etc. The purpose of classes is to create the most level playing field. The fact taht within ANY sporting demographic, your physical attributes made you a loser is a simple reality of life. However, consistently, the demographic "biological male" outperforms the demographic "biological female" in non stamina sports. Yes, there will be high performing females and poor performing males - irrelevant. As for your unique set of circumstances, which represents a fraction of a fraction of a percent, I don't know enough about YOUR specific condition to have much of an opinion. If you have an intersex condition, that is not what is generally considered as trans. But even if it IS what mainstream people consider trans, the vast majority of trans people DO go through puberty as their birth gender. It would be like having a conversation about racism and me saying "I'm a 6 fingered, 2% Samoan, 5% Hawaaiin 9 foot tall African American - what's your policy on me?" Your circumstances are so unique that people better educated than me on the subject would have to comment. I have NEVER suggested that trans women would beat every professional athlete - stop fabricating straw men to knock down. But as a DEMOGRAPHIC, after FULLY transitioning, a 10th percentile former male, will have unquestionable advantage in a majority of sports, against the 10th percentile of biological women. It would be moronic to suggest that a man who was bottom of his sport could suddenly start beating elite female athletes. That WOULD be misogynistic, and as a man who has taught several local level elite female martial artists, I would never be so patronising. None of which addresses MY original points, that dismissing people who are not convinced about trans issues as "transphobe" is a despicable poisoning of the well. People can have different opinions, or even be ignorant without being phobic.
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  16347.  @Nothing2CHere4U  Declaring a thing does not make it so. "only use of force (tyranny)" Use of force is not tyranny. Jeez, quit with the overly broad hyperbole would you? If somebody attacks me adnd I fight back, and I a tyrant? If you try to steal from my grandmother and I physically prevent you am I a tyrant? "You have done nothing to disprove my natural rights." Nor do I have to. The obligation is on the one making the POSITIVE claim to PROVE it, not the other way around. You have taken a term derived from Greek philosophy which described a way of VIEWING rights. The fact that someone came up with a term does not define it into existence any more than "frog privilege" makes that a thing. It is nothing more than a term used to describe a concept, not a description of reality. ""Culturally Derived" suggests you perceive a hierarchy of cultures, where certain rights DO exist among certain peoples" It does no such thing. "Culturally derived" merely suggests that rights themself are a cultural fabrication not a cosmic truism. It certainly acknowledges no culture-independent "natural right", which would transcend all cultures as you claim. It says nothing about the relative hierarchy of cultures nor the the truth of any such concept. For instance, Indians believe that cows are sacred. Does that make them so? Of course not. It is a local cultural belief, not a cosmic truth. At this stage, you're starting to sound like a Christian talking about "objective morality." I would say that your arguments are no more compelling but I don't think you've even made any have you? There is a PERFECTLY good reason why most cultures recognise the broad concept of "freedom of speech" as desirable, and it's for exactly the same reason that EVERY culture places limitations upon that freedom - namely that the exchange of ideas is powerful, but can also be tremendously harmful. It has NOTHING to do with evolution unless you're referring to evolutionary psycology, in which case, I grant you, there may be an element of truth to your supposition.
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  16391.  @teoethio  I am by NO means claiming Egypt is good and if they abandoned Palestin as yuo suggest, then that is a black mark on their character. I am merely stating that they will not tolerate the water that they depend upon to live on being throttled if they have the power to do anything about it, and they do. Again, comparing the Middle East to Vietnam is not a sensible comparison. The terrain in Vietnam was dense jungle which made travel onerous, and spotting the enemy difficult. Also, America could not go scorched earth because there were civilians in the area. Moreover, America has air weapons now that are total game changers. If you want to make a comparison, compare to Iraq or Syria. America's current strategy is not to put boots on the ground if they don't need to. Analysis suggests that water shortage in the Middle East due to climate change will be one of the great sources of military conflict over the coming century. Creating an artificial shortage for an entire nation, so that you can make hydro-electric power seems desperately short sighted, simply hastening something that could have been avoided. And speaking personally, I have always seen Egyptians as black according to their portrayal in the TV series Rome and in the Bible. Not that their skin colour matters. My hope is that Ethiiopia will be reasonable, and conflict can be avoided. On one hand they are to be praised for developing renewable energy. I just hope that they can find a way to do so that will not destabilise the region. My fear is that the American war machine is constantly SEEKING new opportunities to go to war to justify its bloated budget and pay dividends to its shareholders. They're a danger to the entire planet, even as so-called allies.
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  16595.  @ToyotaVertexSoarer  I only ever edit posts to correct for grammar, spelling or to refine an argument. I have certainly not deleted any in this thread. "Humans aren't animals" and you just made everything after this point meaningless. If you don't even comprehend or accept the most biologiical facts, we're not even operating from the same frame of reference. I am operating from the correct one and you are not. You don't get to redefine the meaning of words to suit your argument. You seem to think that sex between two people carries all of that extra stuff, and it's true that for a great many couples it does, but that is not a necessary component, nor is it omnipresent. Just ask all the millions of tinder fuck buddies. They meet, they have sex, they never meet again. The "energies" between two people has been researched every which way. People have been hooked up, measured, studied, recorded and analysed. I can understand that in SOME cases, sex can indeed be a beautiful sharing between two people although when you start to describe itin terms of "energies" rather than simply the heightened emotions of two people in close physical contact, I think you mysticise something that is not that mystical. I certainly agree that allowing one's hormones to blind one's logic is not a good thing, but then the Catholic church is a great example of what happens when you supress such fundmental urges. Somewhere in between a reasonable middle ground. You suggest that restraint is something only found in humans. You couldn't be more wrong. Animals that mate for lifew don't go around having sex with everything else, and in hierarchical animal groups such as lion or chimpanzees, the lower animals wouldn't DARE to try to mate with the alpha's females.. You talk about pregnancy prevention being the key, and again I agree, but not by denying such a pleasurable and fundamental act. Indeed, religious communities where abstinence is taught to teenagers, have higher levels sexually abnormal behaviour such as anal sex. Take an honest approach to sexual behaviour. Teach the kids about contraception then make it widely available. In Iceland for instance, condoms are available in sizes for 12 year olds. At first glance it is disturbing, until you recognise the fact that kids that age are inevitably HAVING sex so you may as well be prosaic about having to prevent pregancy. The reason I jump to religion is because it is respansible for a massive percentage of repressive and negative behaviour on this planet. To leave it out is like having a conversation about Flu without talking about how viruses work. I don't believe that I have the right to murder someone. When a foetus becomes a someone rather than mere cells, I think abortion should no long be a choice. Why do YOU think you have the right to condemn people to a life of misery simply because of beliefs habded down to you in a dusty old book?
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  17100.  @BeltFedSelfDefense  I don't know where you live, but saying "That hasn't been my experience" is the absolute worst form of evidence. That's why anecdotal evidence is not admissible in court. There are a dozen reasons why that opinion is not reflected where you live. Perhaps you only associated with people who share your values. Perhaps they know that you are a gun absolutist and don't express their true opions to you. People elsewhere in the world are more than willing to use force to back up their actions, but they don't feel the need for lethal force. I have to admit, fighting the police is the one exception I have to the need for guns (and I am NOT opposed to all guns). The more citizens that are executed by the police, the greater need I see for citizens to shoot back. HOWEVER, that will NEVER be the reality. The only circumstance when it's reasonable to fire on a cop is when they prove themselves to be bad cops, and by the time you know that, it's too late. If people regularly get into shooting matches with the police, the police will simply upgrade to military grade weapons and you'll STILL end up dead. But when I said that AR15s are not protected by the constitution, I meant ALL guns. The consititution provides for a well regulated militia, not for the arming of every citizen. I'm sorry but you are being deliberately disingenuous when you point to Mexico as an example of a disarmed population. Mexico is corrupt, lawless, and mired in psychopathic national drug gangs. Pointing to the absolute most lawless nation on the continent and saying "See, disarming made things worse" is incredibly disingenuous. Point to a nation that has similar levels of law enforcement, law abiding and criminality such as Britain, New Zealand or Australia. I agree 100% that it's crazy to expect a fair fight against a bad person with a gun. That's why you make it harder for them to get so many of them. Or at least, of the worst kind. And the good guy with a gun narrative has been disproven sooo many times. Even trained professionals hid when the shooting happened and the one time a trained good guy (an ex soldier) did pull out a gun to take on the bad guys what happened? The fucking police shot him. I'm sure that you THINK you're willing to go down in a hail of bullets to protect your gun, but would you really? People turn up, tell you to surrender your guns, you refuse, they insist, you shoot at them, next thing that happens is a drone kills you in your living room. You are not armed equal to the government threat you face and never will be.
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  17307.  @chrisbell5032  "there aren't many are there though" Yes, there certainly are. I know numerous hospital staff who were suffering the equivalent of post traumatic stress over the death and conditions they were seeing. Do you think China built two vast hospitals virtually overnight because they were overreacting? Do you think Britain spent millions on two more for no reason. The fact that you are unaware of the cases doesn't mean they didn't happen. As for your strange fatalism, you look when you cross the road right? You drive with reasonable care and attention, and I assume that you pay for medical insurance when you vacation in foreign countries. Why? Sure, people die young. My own best friend was only 37 when he died. But I'm sure you still collected your children from school when they were young right? As for the govrernment's estimates being wrong, you realise that this is a living organism, not a computer program right? And that it is at large in a society full of unpredictable organisms. Furthermore, complaining that they overestimated, after spending an entire year in lockdown to PREVENT those estimates coming true is a partricularly strange stance to take. If you were driving a bus full of people towards a cliff, and I warned you that if you don't turn, you're going to go over the cliff, then I forcibly yank the steering wheel to the side so you DON'T go over the cliff, you'd hardly complain that I was lying about the cliff would you Chris? As for masks, you have literally NO idea bout the impact they made because you are not qualified, nor likely have studied the data on their efficacy. But as they were worn in CONJUNCTION with lockdown, your point really is questionable.
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  17767.  @Cotac_Rastic  The planet will survive. The life on it may not. Virtually all life on earth has been wiped out on multiple occasions. Early life almost wiped itself out by overbreeding and excreting too much oxygen which was poisonous to it. You wanna talk about fragile? A single asteroid 65 million years ago wiped out the dominant lifeform on the planet. It's not about the duration of the event, it's about its severity. So yes, I do think that less than 500 years of industrialisation can do the same thing. "Humanity is an absoloute force of nature, one of the most incredible creations in the known universe." If you believe that, then why would you not want to take better care of our home? "nature itself produces more toxic influence upon the earth than we ever could have dreamed of" We can't control the sun, and man's output massively exceeds that of volcanoes. Methane would remain trapped underground if we didn't keep freeing it in our search for oil, so no, nature doesn't. "if we're a venus bomb as you claim it would've happened a helluva lot sooner bub." Utter nonsense. That's like saying, "If someone was going to drown in a tsunami, they would have done so before the one that killed them." There were never as many people on the Earth. Farming and car use and industrialisation was never as great. This is kindergarten-level logic. You shouldn't need it explained to you. "Listen, if you want high taxes and authouritarian rules that restrict your freedom then go ahead. But i will not kow-tow blah blah" Yeah, I get it - you're not willing to tolerate ANY inconvenience for the future of the planet. That's already abundantly clear. You want the freedom to kill yourself - that's fine, do it. But you don't have the freedom to kill everyone around you. Lots of people just like you died from covid for exactly the same reason. Fortunately, the world's governments who know the truth are starting to take the choice out of the hands of people like you. The switch to low carbon cars and fuel sources has been underway for decades, and even America, filled with the most selfish ignorant citizens on Earth, is slowly having to change, with Biden pledging to halve C02 emmissions by 2030. Anyway, you're clearly too stupid to waste more time on. You're dismissed. Bub.
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  18208.  @Jimraynor45  You've flipped my comments 180 and equivocating into the bargain. Devin was the one talking about "rights" in the sense you used it. I never claimed it was their right to prevent these sculptures. The sense of the word I used in my first comment was "reasonable emotional response." I did however, talk about legally agreed upon behaviour, and about the social contract. At no point did i suggest that living in a community should subject you to the WHIMS of your neighbours. If there was no residency agreement, then they have no case, and I hope that they surround his property with the nastiest, ugliest, most unpleasant crap imaginable, because no agreement right? "To say we don't live in a free society is tantamount to surrendering your rights" No, it's to acknowledge reality. I could name a dozen ways you are not free off the top of my head: You are not free to ignore the law of the land, you are not free to wander onto your neighbour's property or jaywalk down the middle of a freeway, you are not free to build wherever you like, or walk into schools with guns, or set up a meth lab, or create your own explosives factory, or marry a 10 year old, or even to import pharmaceuticals from Canada. Any rights you have are an artificial construct granted to you by the people in power. Your "freedom" extends only so far as their willingness to grant it, or your willingness to take it by force or guile. As for voluntary resolution, what if your neighbour is simply not INTERESTED in voluntary resolution, or despises you, or their desire to make a point is more powerful than their desire to get along with you?
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  18795. Rose, I wouldn't describe giving all kids a level playing field (at least in terms of quality of education) as "affirmative action". Of course, single motherhood significantly decreases a child's chances, and the black community has a very poor record in that regard. I'm afraid I disagree with almost everything else you said. You seem to be implying that one cannot consider another person's needs unless you are from the same demographic. That is patently not true., although I concede that you cannot FULLY empathise. Your example of thalidomide has nothing to do with discrimination. One needs a representative sample of the target group to test a medication. That is screamingly obvious. How any pharmaceutical company could think that a drug targeted at pregnant women could be tested on men is beyond me. Your comments about being a female economist leave me somewhat bewildered. In what way was the merit-based college admission system disadvantaging women? It seems to me that we live in an age where the sexes are being pushed into careers that do not appeal simply to fill quotas. We were told that female college numbers were down - several decades of positive discrimination, and feminisation of the educational curriculum from kindergarten onwards has resulted in a significant reversal, so now males are under-represented. You suggest that women should be encouraged to pursue medicine. Why? Perhaps women consider that the 10 years of study does not provide an adequate return, or more likely, they realise that it will have an impact upon their plans for family. Similarly, you suggest that more men should be encouraged to move into teaching and nursing. Despite being temperamentally less suited to those fields than women.
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  18925.  @elpeopuru3003  I am 100% in favour of protest rights, and yes, they SHOULD have the same rules applied for the same type of behaviour. So why were PEACEFUL BLM protestors met with extreme police violence, pepper spray, rubber bullets, illegal arrests and more, (I'm not talking about the looters who deserve all they got), whilst treasonous insurrectionists who broke their way into the capitol building, threatening the lives of America's leaders, breaking the building and smearing faeces on the walls, were treated with far greater courtesy? The people on the 6th who protested OUTSIDE are patriots and I support their (ignorant and misguided) attempts to fight for fair elections. But they WERE acting on feelings and incorrect information. When they stormed the capitol, they lost their status as protestors and became rioters or insurrectionists or both. There's zero irony to my statement. It is an unquestionable, demonstrable fact that black people face institutional racism by police, in society, and by the judiciary. That's not opinion. It has been proven time and again. It is also a proven fact that right wing voters tend to be lower info, lower IQ, religious motivated people. That also, is not opinion. If the right were treated how the left are, on the 6th, 100 people would would have been shot by the police. Instead, the president prevented the national guard from helping, the police were underprepared, and the police were taking photos OF THEMSELVES with the rioters. You're 100% right; both sides are not treated evenly, but it's not in the way you think. But then a victim complex is ALSO part of the right wing mentality. You have all the privilege and you still feel hard done by. It's all about fear and insecurity. I don't say that out of snideness, but it's a truism of the conservative mindset - fear of change - fear of "the great replacement" - fear of losing privilege. But it's coming no matter what, so better to greet it with optimism.
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  18954.  @markabrahams2191  The idea of this being bioengineered has been widely debunked. Here's a good article explaining why that can be demonstrated https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/04/26/no-coronavirus-is-not-biological-weapon/ As for China's refusal to allow outside investigators, even if they were not massively secretive by political culture, why the hell WOULD they allow outside investigators?! At BEST the implication would be that they are too stupid to discover the cause on their own, and at worst the implication is that this was deliberate. I VERY MUCH doubt that any sovereign nation with the muscle to refuse would accept foreign investigators under similar circumstances. You talk about chloraquin as a perfectly good preventative but one serious side effect is that it causes permanent damage to the retina. Given that Irenland just just down its entire vaccination program over just 4 cases of alleged blood clotting, how many people do you think would be willing to risk their eyesight to reduce the risk of a virus that was never a likely a danger to them in the first place? Indeed, emergency use authorisation was revoked by the FDA, and trials of both Chroloquin and Hydroxychloroquin are nowceased due to their detrimental side effects, not least of which was a significant increase in heart attacks. https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus_chloroquine I wouldn't call your research sad Mark, but I would suggest that it is incomplete. Your claims about the Dr Fauci article are incorrect and have also been debunked. https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/may/06/blog-posting/dont-fall-conspiracy-about-dr-anthony-fauci-hydrox/
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  18981. ​@Charles White Large companies use national infrastructure, are the greatest destroyers of roads, are the first with their hands out in disasters, and cause huge harm to the environment, the cost which has to be picked up by the public both financially, and in terms of loss. Moreover, when companies such as Amazon and EA are "incentivised" to trade in Britain with low tax rates, and literal payouts on taxes they never even paid, that is not big government stealing from their pockets; that's government stealing from OURS on the myth of trickle down economics. But even if NONE of that was true, there is a benefit to operating in a well ordered, safe, stable society. If you want to do so, you share in the cost of maintaining that society. If you don't, you can take your libertarian BS and piss off to Texas, where corrupt, inept politicians get wealthy, and the citizens cannot depend upon power, safe water or bridges. As for Ronald Reagan, comparing America, a nation that has the worst welfare in the Western world, to one which, prior to Bozo, rated moderately high on that scale, shows how little you know about anything. One of the factors driving the grerat quit, was people discovering after lockdown, how much they hated their jobs. Even in America, with almost no social safety nets, an unprecendented number of employees quit the jobs where they were being exploited. Sadly, unions in Britain became too powerful so authoritarian Margaret Thatcher broke them. British workers lacked solidarity, but in France, the workers would decimate someone like Thatcher. And now, one of the remaining unions with the leverage to swing its muscle is going to demonstrate why they deserved to be broken. They would be wise to find a middle ground that does not penalise the public for their greed. Workers deserve to be fairly compensated, and work in safety (or get compensated for the danger). THAT should be the primary purpose of unions, NOT exploiting their position to hold the nation to ransom. By the same token, governments role is to ensure the safe, prosperous, harmonious function of society, NOT to prevent citizens from deciding on the value of their labour to private companies.
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  19673.  @chrisw9534  A fair share in my mind would be a flat rate - 20% on every dollar earned in America, over a living wage regardless of income. No deductions, no offshore registrations, no creative accounting. There may be some truth to your theory about immigrants although ISTR reading that the effect is less prononunced the further north you go, yet wages are still depressed. Wages are also depressed because many states have no minmum wage and almost ALL employers exploit their work force if they can. Wages are also depressed because employers are constantly outsourcing to countries with cheaper labour. "If you're complaining about crony capitalism, then the last thing you should want is for the government to have more power and be more influential. " This is SUCH a cop out. The problem is corruption, not government. You might as well has said "If you're complaining about thalidomide, the last thing you should want is to vaccinate your children against measels." Ah "guns don't kill people - people kill people". How original. Crime is no lower in Europe, Asia, or Canada, yet murders - especially by gun - are orders of magnitude lower. The USA has a mass murder every day, school shootings monthly if not weekly, and regular murders by cops. All of these would be much harder without guns. Yes, there are millions of law abiding gun owners. There are millions of law abiding men walking around but you still wouldn't allow your child to go off with a stranger would you? The NRA is a business, and its business is to increase the sales of the arms industry. I have great sympathy with any law abiding gun owner. I think that they SHOULD be allowed to own guns for protection (even though statistically they are more likely to be harmed by their own gun). I simply think that there should be tougher regulations.
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  19686. ​ @chrlpolk  Prostate cancer is not optional, having a child is. If any woman takes leave due to illness, I am fine with them being paid, just as I would be for a man. If a woman took a week off to have a baby, I'd have no problem with her doing so and getting paid for it - 3 times in her life. Equating maternity leave with medical leave is ridiculous. Most people return from medical leave whereas a significant percentage of women take the pay from maternity leave then quit the job. Moreover, sick pay is limited (usually to two weeks per year or less, sometimes with REDUCED pay), whereas maternity leave ranges from a few months to a full year - all at he expense of the company. It's ironic that you chide me for not seeing the world from any perspective except my own (despite the fact that I am NOT an employer). You then go on to demonstrate yuor OWN inability to view the world from the perspective of an employer. Imagine this: you are the director of a video game company. Jade is the lead coder on your multi-million dollar game, then she falls pregnant and takes 3 months off to have a child. You now have to pay her $35k of her $100k salary to do NOTHING. Meanwhile, your essential, time critical project is down its lead coder. The assistant steps into her role and somewhere down the line you now have to hire AND TRAIN another coder, all during a time critical project. Frankly it amazes me that anyone would hire women at all were it not for the fact that they will be fined if they do not do so. They get sick more, have shorter careers, create greater workplace disharmony, and are a maternity liability. Worse still, ultimately the rest of society pays for a woman's CHOICE to have a child when the costs are passed on. Single people are the fastest growing demographic yet they all pay because some women feel the need for living dolls, and some men want someone to kick a soccer ball around with. So yeah, you can shove your sociopath where the sun doesn't shine. Next time, have a clue before stepping up.
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  19975.  @dungimon1912  @Dungimon Hmmm, that's interesting. I was considering either a couple of 32" 4K monitors, or an 8K 40 inch OLED but sitting much closer. I use my PC for work as well as games, so different criteria. Refresh rate is less important than screen real estate or image quality. I had a dual xeon with a Titan x, now I have a 24 core Threadripper with an RTX 3090 and two 28 inch monitors. I needed the 3090 because I run 3D apps that use the cores for rendering, and a video app that needs the CUDA cores for AI. I also run fluid simulation software that uses the CPU cores. The fact that games runs extremely well is a bonus! :D I have played multiplayer World war Z for a while, and I didn't realise just how much I'd gotten used to a bad refresh rate. Playing it max settings on 4K wit instant was a revelation. I installed the free update of metro Exodus to the ray traced version and the game was BREATHTAKING! However, even after just one hour of play, in a huge Coolermaster tower case, the temp it raised the card to was frankly disturbing. My leg was hot a foot away, and the whole top of the case is almost too hot to touch, giving me concerns for the adjacent CPU temp. TBH, I can't game from the couch (not least because I don't have a couch ;-) ) but also, I much prefer a desk for the keyboard mouse. Dunno if that's any better/worse for my bad back, but it works for me. I tried wireless, for about 5 years, but got sick of recharging and now I have a really nice desk, with a cable management, the wires are never a problem. I recall reading that your viewing distance from a wide screen should be 1.5 times the diagonal width of the screen for it to properly fill your field of view. On a 55" inch screen, you're correct in thinking that 2.5 metres is just a touch too far away - 2.05 would be optimal. Personally, I preferred to be a touch further back (9 feet on a 52 inch screen) because it means less eye movement. Whatever works for you eh? Thanks for sharing. Sounds like you have a nice set up there. What are your top three played games at the moment? Sounds like you have a very tolerant wife letting you game on the family TV - I've seen relationships end over that! :D
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  20306.  @DavidAdkins78  "nothing will ever really be "fair and equitable"" No it won't, but that's no reason to simply throw your hands up and say "Oh well might as well not bother then." Imagine if that approach had been taken to slavery or worker rights or slavery. "Politicians CANNOT improve on voluntary exchange." Nonsense. When my local mega supermarket becomes so large that it crushes all competition, literally operating at a loss in order to do so, once the competition is gone, our exchange is no longer voluntary. I have NO problem with capitalism. I have MASSIVE problems with unregulated capitalism. "Walmart has made retail so competitive" if competition is your only standard. If you ignore the cost in human lives during manufacture, distribution and retail. If you ignore long-term environmental damage. If you ignore the fact that huge swathes live in poverty so that you can save. And worst of all, if you ignore the fact that walmart is literally subsidised by the taxpapayers who have to give welfare to full-time employees who are paid so poorly that they cannot meet basic bills. "every family saves $2500/year even if they don't shop there." citation please. And again, I'm going to question that in overall context. This is NOT a zero sum game. That saving is undoubtedly offset in many other ways. "America has the richest middle class and poor in the history of the world thanks to capitalism." 11.1% of Americans live in poverty, defined as having insufficient income to meet basic needs. The average college goer will still be paying off college loans into their 40s and even a minor medical incident can bankrupt a family for life. Yes, they may have the latest games consoles and two cars; they also have record levels of debt - 14 trillion in 2019. "A simple fact that you Marxists miss is that GOVERNMENT cost us four times more than all corporate profits combined." What a ridiculous statement to make. It would be like me citing the amount that Republicans spend on suits or golf courses. The issue is not the COST of government but the VALUE that is delivered for that cost. Many countries have far higher taxation than America, but also much greater happiness and social wellbeing because that taxation provides value. The problem in America is corruption by capitalism. The wealthy corrupt the government into spending taxes on endless wars, profit prisons, excessive pharma costs, etc which THEY profit from. The entire western world has recognised that a level of socialism and government is optimal and needed for social thriving. Yes, government could involve itself less in some areas - regulation of recreational drugs and pharmaceutical sales for instance, but by and large, big government is the result of living in megacommunities with corporate scum constantly trying to exploit the masses and game the system. Companies whine about the regulations that were implemented to prevent their PRIOR exploition of more lax regulations, even as they try to exploit the new ones. The irony. The delusion of your world view is that you think America would be a better place without government and regulation. Typical libertarian nonsense demonstrably disproven by endless examples, and just 3 seconds of impartial examination.
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  20772.  @bucstart  The Independent's journalists disagree with you "The only thing Washington loves more than dressing up for the White House Correspondents’ Dinner is talking about how much of an “abomination” that same dinner is. The event that is known, a little sickeningly, as “Nerd Prom” among insiders is an “incestuous” slobber-fest, these self-hating guests will tell you." Peggy Noonan of the Washington Post says "The dinner hurts America in two ways. The first and more obvious is that it is, functionally, elite journalists telling half of America: We hate you. It's as if they break out of their "This just in" face and say, "You know how you think we don't share your values and respect your views? You know how you think we're biased, self-infatuated twerps who think we're better than you? It's true! We do! Ha ha!" Mainstream media's disdain for half the country is not news to themthey know exactly what their betters think. But how does it make our country better to grind your heel into the wound? How does that enhance the position of the press? " Ari Shapiro speaks to James Warren of Vanity fair "SHAPIRO: Is there something wrong with in a very public setting dining out with people who are your sources? Does it cross a line that taking a source to dinner at a restaurant privately does not? WARREN: Yeah. I think this is so overt. And if you want to know why the press can consistently fail to fully understand the desires and needs of many Americans, as we proved in many of us missing the Trump phenomenon, go there tomorrow night and see how removed many - not all, but many - of the assembled are from I think a basic reflexive understanding of a world in which the riches and status found in that big ballroom really do constitute another universe." Buuut, I'm sure you know better.
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  20774.  @victorabrams637  Yeah, slavery was a long tradition too. Is that seriously your best argument? The Independent's journalists disagree with you "The only thing Washington loves more than dressing up for the White House Correspondents’ Dinner is talking about how much of an “abomination” that same dinner is. The event that is known, a little sickeningly, as “Nerd Prom” among insiders is an “incestuous” slobber-fest, these self-hating guests will tell you." Peggy Noonan of the Washington Post says "The dinner hurts America in two ways. The first and more obvious is that it is, functionally, elite journalists telling half of America: We hate you. It's as if they break out of their "This just in" face and say, "You know how you think we don't share your values and respect your views? You know how you think we're biased, self-infatuated twerps who think we're better than you? It's true! We do! Ha ha!" Mainstream media's disdain for half the country is not news to themthey know exactly what their betters think. But how does it make our country better to grind your heel into the wound? How does that enhance the position of the press? " Ari Shapiro speaks to James Warren of Vanity fair "SHAPIRO: Is there something wrong with in a very public setting dining out with people who are your sources? Does it cross a line that taking a source to dinner at a restaurant privately does not? WARREN: Yeah. I think this is so overt. And if you want to know why the press can consistently fail to fully understand the desires and needs of many Americans, as we proved in many of us missing the Trump phenomenon, go there tomorrow night and see how removed many - not all, but many - of the assembled are from I think a basic reflexive understanding of a world in which the riches and status found in that big ballroom really do constitute another universe." Buuut, I'm being paranoid. Incidentally, you seem like a nice guy. I have a fantastic Golden bridge to sell you at a bargain price...
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  20996.  @paradisepipeco  I do know the two bull joke. How can one NOT be skeptical when one is paying attention to what is happening? My mother and one of my closest friends also think I am too skeptical - that I am making myself angry over what I cannot change, but I've always been a "Tell me the truth Doctor, if I have a terminal illness" kind of guy. I suspect you are too. I do indeed watch both Kirschner and Beau daily. Personally, I think Kirschner is too conditioned by the system he has spent his life serving, and his world view and self esteem is too wedded to a belief that the system is still basically honest and savable, much as a Catholic might be in denial about all the child abuse their collection plate money has sheltered. I think he is a decent person who does not have eyes wide open. Beau is MUCH more prosaic, and I find his analyses and tactical summaries very insightful. I like them both a lot. I see Garland as the Dem's "fuck you" to McConnell, but it's a pyrric victory. I think he's going to be another Mueller probe - all PR and no substance - a toothless tiger afraid to cause ripples. The Dems and legal profession are simply too timid and too conservative to move on it in a meaningful way. I recently heard that prosecutors, even of small local cases, will not prosecute cases that they are not sure of winning because of the reputational damage. What a dreadful indictment on the legal profession. I think with Trump, and his enablers, there is so much money behind them, and the Dems may only have until the midterms until the GOP becomes a lot more powerful, and can obstruct even more. I've never wanted to be completely wrong, but time will tell. America NEEDS that man to spend the rest of his life in jail, but I look to the pardon of Nixon as my template. Stay safe Jones.
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  21007.  @AlanWattResistance  You speak for "Christians" with complete certainty, as if there was any remotely cohesive set of beliefs. I never heard a truer statement than "The Bible is a mirror for people's personal beliefs." Bigots pull all the horrible stuff out and use it to hate. Good people point to the turn the other cheek, help people stuff, and control freaks point to all the rules and threats. "Morality is in-built or hardwired into every human soul" if we are created in the image of god, it's in the image of a genocidal lunatic who murdered his own children during the flood, and in sodom and gomorrah; killed children for calling Elijah a baldy, and killed Job's children just to test what his omniscient brain already knew, to name but a few cases of god's "morality." "Stealing is wrong, but you could argue that stealing something that nobody is going to miss would be ok, but the very act of stealing itself harms you within" That's why God authorised the stealing of land, people and wives on multiple occasions right? So stealing IS okay when it's part of a greater purpose? "Hell is simply an eternal seperation from God," says YOUR flavour of christianity. " God doesn't send anyone to hell, you send yourself to hell by your pride. " So I act according to the nature god gave me, living out the precise life his omniscient brain knew I would live, following a deterministic existence that I'm not capable of changing even if I wanted to, but it's MY fault that I am utterly unconvinced in the existence of god. That's like dropping a puppy then murdering it for falling. "not subject to the irrational desires of the body. " the desires God gave us. "You sometimes do things you didn't wish to do" Because I'm not perfect. "We're all failures, we all fall short of what is expected of us. These are our sins" no, failing to be perfect is not a sin, it is what it means to exist in an imperfect brain, in an imperfect universe - both of which god supposedly created with total omniscience.
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  21646.  @jfangm  Your second post was so irrational and poorly constructed, I wonder if you even thought about it before typing. "You do not have a right to a wage that is more than what your employer thinks your labor is worth." What if my employer thinks my labour is worth 10 cents an hour? Rights are only grants given by the government - there's no object right to anything, but every 1st world society on the planet (including America largely) has decided that people have a right to a living wage. No, just because lots of people think something doesn't make it right, but you're going to bring more than "Nu uhh" if you want to refute that one. Ultimately, if an employer does not want to value his employees' labour and they are unwilling to work for what he offers, then he has two choices - pay more, or do without labour. No, there is no cognitive dissonance; you simply don't understand nuance and complex propositions. The only time I supported the government paying people not to work was to save lives. Whether those lives are threatened by covid or starvation, is irrelevant. You dishonestly imply that I support the government encouraging dependence, while nothing could be further from the truth. The fact that workers place a value upon their labour which at least enough to cover their bills is not cognitive dissonance, but YOU seem to be confusing work and slavery. Why would ANY person labour when they are financially worse off for doing so? To climb a ladder that doesn't exist?
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  21780.  @ToxicAudri Hmmm, you raise many interesting points. Of course any child can have any emotional state they like, but they are expected to be obedient as long as they are within the school system. The conflict comes, as in this case, when that obedience is at odds with their personal belief system. A child of 11 lacks the wisdom or life experience to form a belief based upon either reason or a deep intellectual argument, so I'm sorry but I feel that at school, they ARE (generally) expected to be obedient. For instance, I teach a lovely 6 year old boy. His Muslim parents send him out every day with a prayer necklace on. I insist that he removes it during PE because it is a choking hazard. Now he can argue the point with him as much as he likes, but ultimately he WILL do PE and he WILL remove his necklace because he is unaware of government legislation about his participation, nor about my duty of care, nor does he have any conception of choke hazards. So YES, that IS a reason to strip him of freeedoms. In any case, he has NO freedoms as long as he is a minor. ANY freedom is granted to him by the adults around him, not bestowed by law or divine right. All of that said, I VERY strongly see the general points you are trying to make, and I wholeheartedly agree with the essence of what you are saying, which is precisely how I interact with kids. I try to treat them as I would have wished to be treated: with compassion, warmth, treating them as intelligent (even when they frequently are not), and I try to use reason. The problem is, one disruptive child can undermine an entire class for months. This is an issue that should have been resolved with the school BEFORE the child even walked into class, rather than making it a confrontational issue with a substitute. As I said, I think this was handled APPALLINGLY.
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  21897.  @jebremocampo9194  God almost certainly doesn't exist; there is no evidence because he's fictitious. It's not the job of people to prove the negative. Why would you BELIEVE, much less argue something for whicyh no evidence exists? At best, you may choose to keep your mind open until you have the facts. "Who gets to say it is not backed by evidence when most often hot button topics are sooo nuanced that even academics are dumb founded?" Such as? Truckers in Canada are largely fucking idiots, but irrelevant to this discussion. If they want to protest, let them. Then the police can go in with rubber bullets and water canons, arresty them all and impound their trucks. The lab leak theory was a simple disagreement of interpretation. I still think it unlikely but not impossible but where's the hate speech? If you start calling in the China Virus or Kung Flu as a derogatory racist term, then you stepped over the line into hate speech. People died when Trump started using that. Words have power. "You take for granted a lot of reality's complicated situations." no I don't. Black people - equal but poor, women different but equal, trans people - a reality, abortion, better than the alternatives, jews - ordinary people, vaccines - better than the alternatives, god - a fantasy made up by ignorant primitives - shall I continue? "You assume that you know what someone means when they say something, and you assume the intent, and you assume that you know the truth, and you assume the truth is simple." People may use weasel words for plausible deniability, but if they care to be understood, it's up to them to speak with clarity. There really isn't all the ambiguity that you introduce for the sake of argument.
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  22408.  @2010wilsoneya  It's only ridiculous because you're not thnking rationally. 1. Sleeping in your own bed was not a crime. Playing with a toy gun was not a crime. Owning a BB gun in a hotel room was not a crime. Looking at a gun in a walmart was not a crime. And EVEN IF THEY WERE, execution is not the penalty. 2. Do you SERIOUSLY not understand why this is moronic on multiple levels? i. Criminals do not have the force of the government behind them ii. Two wrongs do not make a right iii. The police are tasked with protecting the citizens, not murdering them iv. So what? If you report that a policeman tried to murder you in your bed when you are innocent of any crime, by your logic, the controller should just say "Well people in your neighbourhood kill more people and hang up." Seriously Sam, did you think about this garbage even for a millisecond? Every word you say speaks about your own prejudice. "would you allow your son or daughter to marry one of these men or women who have been killed by police " Would I allow my daughter marry an INNOCENT little boy in a park playing with a toy gun? Why not? Would I allow my son to marry an INNOCENT woman asleep in her own bed? Of course. Would I allow my daughter to marry an INNOCENT man whose crime was to investigate a building site? Sure. "dangerous black people are being killed by police" absolute bullshit. I wondered if you were just ignorant and stupid, but with that statement, you have confirmed tha you are in fact, a racist bigot. Fuck you. We're done.
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  22626.  @DefinitelyNotAMachineCultist  "The point is that one direction, even at the extremes, is less bad than the other." It depends which direction you are referring to. To me, many of the very greatest evils in American society, most especially political corruption, disregard for the environment and dissembling about it, heartless disregard for human life and social division can all be laid squarely at the feet of capitalism. Socialism - evn at its most extreme, never threatened to wipe out the planet. "Both Castro's Cuba, and Pinochet's Chile can meaningfully be called dictatorships." so what? They are not exemplars of socialism - they are exemplars of dictatorships, with some socialistic ideology. "You do realize that a big part of his entire scheme was putting private property under de facto control of the state, right?" Again, so what? How is that either socialism OR capitalism? But even if you interpret this as a malformed example of socialism, it makes as much sense as complaining that humans are ugly because the elephant man exists. You don't only judge a system by its worst failures. EVERYWHERE that capitalism is given unrestrict reign and influence over politics, life for the masses eventually gets worse with falling wages, corrupted politics, greed, power accumulated in the hands of the few, and a turn towards low key fascism. Yes, capitalism has lead to great advances in society in the form of technology, science, agriculture, and far more, but only when constraints are placed upon it. Why then, is it not reasonable to view socialism through the same lense of reasonable constraints?
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  22739.  @AlanWattResistance  The vaccine NEVER claimed to provide 100% protection. I KNOW YOU KNOW THIS because I personally have remnded you on at least a few occasions. At this stage, I can only assume that it is wilful ignorance, or outright disingenuity. The idea that a vaccine which would have what, a few years of emotional effectiveness, is being used GLOBALLY as a panacea for people's concerns over the changing world simply holds no water. It amuses me that you disbelieve the vaccine "narrative" as being implausible, yet you have no trouble believing that the governments of the entire planet managed to cooperate enough to conspire in this short-term plan to give the impression of stability EVEN AS America is on the verge of civil war, Russia and Europe are rattling the sabres on the borders of Ukraine, China is threatening Taiwan, the planet is having the worst climate decade in recorded history, and Britain has virtually self destructed. And all without a single person in a single country revealing the truth? But you think a vaccine is going to reassure us that everything is okay? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 The irony is, like some well drone worker ant, you proclaim that individualism is unsustainable, whilst demanding that very individualistic right to defy the vaccination that would protect the colony. You appear to be somewhat inconsistent in your position. The sad thing is, I bet you and I would have a lot in common regarding a general distaste regarding big government.
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  22765.  @gethcreator751  BritainForTheBritish The Iranian non-proliferation treaty was made with 6 nations as a single entity, in exchange for return of money that was stolen from them by the USA, and the dropping of trade sanctions. If ANY ONE of those six nations (let alone the most powerful one) withdraws from the deal, it becomes nul and void and Iran is no longer obligated to comply with it. The US DID withdraw, then reimposed sanctions, then threatened the other 5 signatories with penalties if THEY abided by the terms of the deal and continued to trade with Iran. Iran was 100% within its rights to start re-enriching nuclear material. "if May didn't care about public opinion she would of overturned Brexit" That's massively simplistic and naive. It's like saying "If you don't mind breaking the law, you'd rob Fort Knox". There are degrees of not minding. Had she countermanded the democratic will of the majority of the British public, her party would have been unelectable again. Therefore, it was her own peers in the houses of parliament that brought pressure. Also, she never had the power to unilaterally impose her own will on parliament - it had to go back for approval and by the house of Lords. I was not ranting, I was discussing, and I didn't misquote - I simply omitted the first couple of words because they were irrelevant to the conversation which was about Britain and the US. It's a pity that you've become snarky when we were having a civil conversation. Still, if that's how you react when you are intellectually outclassed, fair enough. It's kind of childish, but then what should I expect from a person whose channel is called "Britain for the British", a statement so blisteringly ignorant of Britain's history over the past 2000 years that you have disqualified yourself from being taken seriously right there. Go away fool, I'm done with you.
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  22875.  @YorickReturns  "If a job genuinely isn't worth it, then you quit. It's simple." Respectfully, that's simplistic not simple. There are many people at that end of the labour market that simply do not have the luxury of quitting a job that isn't worth it. I've had friends work for well below minimum wage because they were so desperate for work. I know teens and people in their early twenties who will do almost anything for work. One of my students has a job as a kitchen porter and they refuse to give him enough hours to pay his bills because they don't want to be liable for sick pay and holiday costs. To some extent I agree that people have been told that they are owed something (the great lie being that we all have the right to home owners for instance), but I DO think that a person who works a 40 hour week should be able to afford his rent, utiulities, food and at least a little extra. I like the idea of FAIR competition, but competition is rarely fair. Whether it's migrants that Britain has being forced to accept competing for jobs and undercutting the market because they're willing to live in the short term like rats (no disparagement intended) jammed 10 or 20 to a house, not paying normal living costs, or companies competing by forcing staff to work under conditions that are unreasonable so that they can pay returns to investors, not ALL competition is good. I think we share some distaste about OVERregulation, but where we diverge is that you appear to trust to the markets to act fairly, self regulate and provide the best result. That's clearly a fantasy that has simply never been the case. You suggest that the housing market would benefit from deregulation. I don't know in what areas you feel this would be the case? I worked for a housing developer for a while and they would have LOVED to do away with all the regulations about safety standards, environmental compliance, build density and including affordable housing so that Britain's housing stock was not entirely taken over by houses for the wealthy. Even with the measure of freedom they have, the banks lent to people who couldn't afford the repayments, all got burned in 2009 and now you need such a large mortgage downpayment that the people who could previously have afforded to get on the housing ladder cannot do so. How has deregulation helped that situation?
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  23121.  @grmpEqweer  "They shoved him hard." Clearly a matter of interpretation. To my mind, they shooed him out of the way. And yes, he stumbled backwards. That's the intent. That's not violence - it's clearing an obstruction. "The point was to harm." absolutely not. The point was to clear an annoyance out of the way. If the point had been to harm they would have struck him or used a baton. "The police are being protested themselves and they are angry." I agree 100%. They've been untouchable for decades and they see that privilege being challenged. How DARE the civilians question outr authority! "For whatever reason, you don't want to recognize that the police used excessive force." It wasn't excessive. Anyone who has ever dealt with an aggressice assailant will know that the policemen was extremely restrained. The reason that I object to this narrative, is that the police in America are ABSOLUTE VERMIN. 10% of them should probably be on death row, 25% should be in jail, and a good deal more should be out of joobs. HOWEVER, you don't accomplish justice with injustice, or by constantly clutching your pearls. We need cool, dispassionate assessment of their behaviour. "The one time I was attacked at a protest I was knocked over from behind, " That's a VERY different situation. If you are withdrawing, there is NO need for violence. "t was a planned beating. This was in 1992, it was an AIDS march. They wanted to beat up the uppity queers. And obviously, it was the point of the operation." And this fucking disgrace against humanity is precisely why the police need to be held accountable. I just don't see this situation in remotely the same light. "So peaceful protesters being attacked is not surprising to me." Nor me, but this man was not peaceful. He was aggressive. He had aggressive body language. He was right in their faces waving an object at one of them, and he towered over them. I'm not suggesting he was going to be violent, but NOBODY has to let an adversary that close before responding.
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  23793.  @davidbarlow350  It took ten minutes to cast serious doubt on your first three cited experts. I'm not "arguing the toss", I'm shooting down the credibility of your narrative with facts. "On July 23, 2020, Risch published a Newsweek op-ed that championed the widely discredited COVID drug hydroxychloroquine. He relied entirely on older, shoddy studies suggesting benefits for COVID patients while ignoring more recent, rigorous studies showing zero benefit and significant potential for harm. Risch also ignored his obvious logical fallacies, such as disregarding confounding variables (adding azithromycin, doxycycline, and zinc as treatments) and conflating correlation with causation (the “natural experiments” of countries using or not using hydroxycloroquine). His own colleagues published a stinging rebuke of his argument." https://medium.com/swlh/credible-misinformation-dr-harvey-rischs-newsweek-op-ed-700105a12e25 "After testing this three-drug cocktail on hundreds of patients, some of whom had only mild or moderate symptoms when they arrived, Dr. Zelenko claimed that 100 percent of them had survived the virus with no hospitalizations and no need for a ventilator... ...He said that while he was optimistic, it was too early to tell whether the drugs would ultimately work." https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/02/technology/doctor-zelenko-coronavirus-drugs.html "Raoult “We confirm the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in combination with azithromycin (an antibiotic) in the treatment of Covid-19”, write Didier Raoult and his team. But many experts argued on Saturday that it was impossible to draw this conclusion on the sole basis of this study, which has not been published at this stage in a scientific journal, because of the way it is drawn up. Their main criticism: the study does not include a control group (that is to say, patients to whom the treatment studied is not administered), and it is therefore impossible to establish a comparison to determine if it is the treatment that is causing the improvement." https://www.archyde.com/professor-raoult-publishes-a-new-study-immediately-criticized/ I can't be bothered to fact check your entire rambling, conspiratorial response. Go back to flat-eartherism - at least no lives will be lost. We're done.
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  23867.  @sarastewart2633  To my knowledge, there is NO job in the western world that a capable, qualified women is not allowed to do except male porn actor. That would be hiring discrimination which is strictly illegal. And I'm sorry, but the fact your cousin died climbing a ladder is EXACTLY the point. Men are not all wrestling lions or defusing bombs, but there is a higher incidence of deaths climbing ladders or operating machines than there is filling shelves or working in an office. I'm not demeaning women, but the reason that they generally tend not to take the more dangerous jobs is because they don't apply for them not because they ae PREVENTED from doing so. And yes Sara, I klnow that women work more hours if you factor in unpaid, but they're much EASIER hours and they do less of them over a lifetime. Don't tell me that going and working in McDonalds or an office or shelf stacking for 4 hours then coming home to 4.5 hours housekeeping is remotely comparable to say working full time on a building site, gardening, being a soldier, a sewage worker, or the vast number of other physical jobs that women barely touch, and REFUSE to touch. By the age of 50 most men's bodies (in physical jobs) are destroyed, whilst women are still more or less going strong (not withstanding the effects of aging). I agree that the word "cuck" is used by insecure men yet you still accuse people of misogyny like you're being paid by the use. It's every bit as much being used as a denegrating shield to pigeonhole an interlocutor rather than engage in good faith.
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  23870.  @sarastewart2633  Sara you're repeatedly straw manning me. Absolutely NOBODY is suggestiong that women are not taking on jobs with as high a skill level as men. Women's brains work slightly differently to men's (or vice versa) but when it comes to intellect, each appear to be equally capable judging by the proportions in sciences (though not theoretical physics so maybe there's something interesting happening there). However, there is a marked deficiency in certain fields such as STEM and all the shitty, heavy, dangerous careers. That is NOT a matter of discrimination. That is not because equality has simply not caught up. It's because women are incapable or don't want to do those jobs so they simply choose not to do them. Moreover, in countries where interviews were double blind, women got LESS jobs, not more, demonstrating that they are LITERALLY less qualified, and it is only discrimination or fear of being accused of discrimination that gave them the jobs they had. I would also note that education has been employing positive discrimination for decades, leading to less males in universities, and worse results for boys in secondary education. Proof once again that feminism is an ideology of dominance not equality. I will concede that the fact that the law mandates equal opportunity, that is not the reality for all employers. But given that women are less qualified. enforced equality is an applling hiring stndard. You're still missing the point entirely about your cousin. I'm not saying climbing a ladder is particularly dangerous if performed correctly. But it is MORE dangerous than sitting at a desk or being a stay at home mother. You can talk about health and safety as much as you like, but if the job AS IT DONE, not as the rule books SAY it should be done, results in a tenfold mortality rate over whatever jobs women are doing, then it can reasonably said to be more dangerous. It sounds as though you are bitter than women cannot claim the oppression points of doing dangerous jobs. I never claimed that ALL men are doing more dangerous jobs, but of the dangerous jobs, the MASSIVE majority are performed by men. Your cousin is a complete irrelevance on that issue. As for paying women less, I believe in exactly the same pay for exactly the same job with the same experience. If you take a break to raise a child then you no longer have the same experience and however long yuo took off to raise a child should be reflected in your pay. I do NOT believe in maternity leave. Choosing to raise a family is ultimately a woman's decision, and the employer or society should not be penalised for that decision. IF you make the case that the offspring will eventually be a financial benefit to society (an appalling way to view ANY citizen), then the woman should have to commit to at least 5 years of work for the same employer after pregnancy.
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  24030.  @nvcomics  Completely irrelevant. That is not what this video is about. Ben and this guy he quoted both suggested that capitalism stifles innovation. That is patent nonsense. The first company to come up with a cure for cancer, covid, alzheimers, flu, and many other conditions would make trillions. That's good for society AND the inventors. I am illustrating that a system in which companies are rewarded for their creations, benefit MORE if their creations are NOT competing with others. Thus, whilst in movies or video games, it's risky to do something innovative, in FAR more situations, it's better to be original while satisfying a market need. Bringing in the workers is an irrelevant side track. Whether they are talken care of or not is an issue of worker rights. Only in craphole nations like America, and other 3rd world nations, is that such an issue. In the rest of the western world, there are rules about minimum wages, sick pay, holiday pay, etc. I am not arguing in FAVOUR of monopolies, although I am 100% in favour of patent protection for a short term. Humanity has NO right to a choice of suppliers for any product, but creators have a right to reasonable recompense for their work and investment. Gamestop does not disprove anything. Not only does Gamestop not REMOTELY have a monoply unless you narrow the definition of what they do, down to exclude online retail, but even if they WERE a monopoly (and they're not - they have thousands of high -street competitors), the failure of a single poorly managed company, operating in a manner that the consumer no longer cares for, proves only that Gamestop, like Blockbuster video and Fred's Horse and Cart Emporium, that THAT business failed to adapt.
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  24033.  @nvcomics  I don't need to weasel out of anything because I comprehend a nuanced argument with examples on both sides. "when TikTok came around" And Tik Tok was copy of Vine before it. So much of what mankind does is iterative. You're complaining about a lack of innovation, but what if 3 camera phones minimal design, maps, or whatever are simply the natural and inevitable direction for thos products? Capitalism has driven companies to want to make better products. Yes, there is DEFINITELY lots of trend following, but that is not because that is safe - it's because that's the logical course for those products. Look at consoles - Playstation came out with super fast storage on its latest model which is game changing, but Microsoft and hardware manufacturers were already developing direct storage because that is the logical direction forwards. I don't know who you think is trying to brainwash us into believing that there is more innovation than there actually is. I see innovation everywhere I look. If you look at the graph of human advancement, it's been near vertical for the past 100 years, achieving more in a century than the entirety of the rest of human history. It seems to me that you have justifiable issues about Patent infringement and outright copying. I share yuor sentiments on that but only because I hate coprate theft. It's a literal business model for Chinese companies - why go to the cost of innovation when you can simply steal? But that's a problem with international patent protections and the utter disregard of China. The west should simply ban any such products, but of course $$$$$. The modern world THRIVES off innovation. Innovators are the ones driving retail, but I guess you only see what you focus on. Some products don't NEED improvement, while others have small, logical improvements. Personally, I think phones are massively OVER designed. But a certain market wants phones that do everything. And when new products are TOO different from what people are used to, they get angry and that costs sales.
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  24144.  @bigdaddy3950  "I was raised by a single mother who taught her 4 children to not rely on anyone" How did she afford to raise you? "it’s up to the individual to pursue the dream" The dream? Millions of hard working Americans cannot even make rent, much less medical insurance and luxuries. You seem to think that because you made it, that option is open to everyone, and I notice that you totally ignored all the points I made about things being harder now for young people that in the past. How old are you? "ask not what your country can do for but what can you do for your country" Yeah, that's jingoistic bullshit cited by the politiical class to con the working class into thinking tere's something noble in sacrificing their happiness for the prosperity of the country that siphons that money off to give to millionaires and billionaires. I truly can't believe that a clearly intelligent man such as yourself would fall for such a blatant piece of emotional manipulation. "these values made us the greatest country in the world" utter, utter nonsense! Really, you have to stop swallowing this garbage. America was built on the the theft of land from the native inhabitants, the theft of labour by poor immigrants and slaves, and yes, in some cases, a pioneering spirit. MODERN America is built on the greed of corporations and the sweat of an exploited working class. Which is not to say, I do not respect it if you are a truly self-made man. I'd be curious to know in what area you have done so.
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  24198.  @pedropradacarciofi2517  A standard is a defined set of parameters or behaviours, that must be met in order to receive a specific label or certification "60% alcohol", "made in France", "created by Armani" or whatever. It is both proscriptive and descriptive. I think that you are confusing it with a norm. But norms are descriptive. They describe what is common. They do no proscribe the charcteristics of members in a set. "africans" does not tell you that they are or must be all black, or all live in Africa for instance. If you want to see the studies, go look them up. It's never been easier. I have both the Hite and Kinsey studies. They are in region of 700 pages long each. You can buy them on Amazon. They make fascinating reading. In my opinion, the Kinsey report is more exhaustive and honest, but is tainted by the fact that Kinsey was a pervert. The Hite report is much drier, and polled fewer people, and collates the data less readably, but is still fascinating and probably more scholarly I'm sure you could buy them from a 2nd hand book store for less than $50. As for my last paragraph, it's quite clear that YOU are the one who is ignorant of the facts, and is not approaching the issue in an impartial scientific manner. You misrepresented the percentage given in the video we both just watched. You also said "It's not a spectrum for 99.9% of people, why should we take the 0.01% as the normal?" Nobody is forcing you to do anything. I'm explaining to you what the facts are. Gender doesn't NEED to be on a spectrum for 99% of people for it to be on a spectrum for the set "people". That said, 7.5% of men and 12.2% of women have had same sex hookups, and that number is far higher among prison and navy populations. That's sexuality not gender, but clearly one often follows the other.
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  24201.  3MM4 P33L  "babbling numbers & studies." stating facts you mean? "why should we confuse & create disorders in the minds of children?" I'm not sure that's what we're doing. Kids ALWAYS recognised the boyish girl and the girlish boy in class. Now they're free to be who they always should have been. Or are yu suggesting that gender is so malleable and fluid that discovering that some people do not conform, will cause thousands of kids to go over to the other side where they will face ridicule and bigotry, and that gender is noting but a choice? As for why abused kids have less successful outcomes, there is an element in which bad cultural surroundings lead to worse outcomes, but it's more that neglected kids are not pushed to succeed. There's a massive correlation between poverty and worse educational outcomes as well as crimnality. I don't know to what extent, social role models contribute, but there's a difference between education and role models. We teach kids all sorts of behaviours taht most never go on to adopt, so why should this be different? Gender and sex are two different things. Trans identity has NOTHING to do with sex so how can it be the sexualisation of children? 10 year olds already HAVE a gender identity, and some a sexual one as well. I don't agree with permanent surgery at that age (is it even being done?) but if one goes through puberty as the wrong gender, that also is a decision with lifelong emotional consequences. It's not a black and white issue. There is no simple answer. Whichever way you go, people get harmed. But I don't agree that education harms anyone.
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  24275. "You see what happens when someone doesn't do their job, they get fired and he finds someone to replace them" If he were competent, he'd hire people based upon experience and qualifications in the first place, not based upon TV recognition and how photogenic they are when speaking to the media. What's the old saying "Measure twice cut once"? The problem with Trump is that HE is not remotely qualified to do the job, so he has no idea how to do it properly. Worse still, his wealth has always shielded him from having to consider any opinions other than his own so his arrogance prevents him from accepting advice from people. In fact, he goes out of his way to do the complete opposite. I do believe an utterly unqualified person could be president if they were humble enough to listen to their advisors and smart enough to know when to ignore them. Unfortunately Trump is neither. It is not a sign of competence that he has fired dozens if not hundreds of people and 25% of his hires are under federal investigation. It's a sign that he gives poor leadership at every level then fires his staff for HIS mistakes. Giuliani is a classic example. The man was clearly barking mad before he was hired, but because the man showed massive loyalty, Trump has hired him. The man has incredibly managed to turn a train wreck into a laughing stock as well. In one week in office, the man has undermined Trump's primary legal defence, and guaranteed that Trump's criminality is front and centre. What about Cohen or Bornstein or Jackson or DeVos? none of these people were remotely qualified to do the jobs they have. And be honest, Trump isn't firing people for the incompetence he knew they had when he hired them - he's throwing them under the bus in an effort to deflect away from his own errors.
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  24541.  @teddyboef2821  "That says all we need to know." It says only that there was such a smorgasboard of facts, half facts and opinions, some of which I agreed with, and some I didn't, that I didn't get around to responding. But if it will keep you happy. The matter of revoking asylum. To say that it is against international law is asinine. No government operates entirely within international law. They do only what is expedient. Assange did so much to outstay his welcome that I was amazed he lasted as long as he did. He was like a little kid hiding behind his marginally bigger brother and throwing rocks whilst enemies twice the size of the big brother surrounded them both. He was a fool who didn't know when to act tactically. But would governments like him dead? Yes, and with good reason. That reason is not in the interests of the people, nor wholly against them either, but the reason is valid nevertheless. Yes, the government DOES abuse national security, exactly as it is doing with border funding right now. It's a complicated issue. NO governments can operate without a level of secrecy, and it is not for an individual with no comprehension of the greater context to arbitrarily decide when to undermine that secrecy. That's why this is nuanced. Whistle blowers are vital. Edward Snowden was a true hero and martyr to the planet. Assange was a hero who abused asylum and became a self serving fool. Wikileaks is NOT covered under the constitution. Freedom of the press has limits and Assange breached those limits. No newspaper could print the identities of spies operating in foreign countries for instance. But this is why the entire issue needs publishers/journalists who are themselves sqeaky clean. As long as Assange's motivations were to the truth and the wellbeing of the people, he was a hero. Clinton was regularly investigated and cleared of wrong doing. The "man" in charge of the nation right now despises her, and has the most dishonest self-serving senate in living memory walking in lock-step ready to approve his every inane piece of mental vomit, yet STILL they have provided nothing but innuendo. BUT, yes, she was an appalling candidate and an entitled, horrible human being. But for all that, she was still infinitely better than Trump. HIS legacy will scar the planet and geopolitics far beyond the life even of his youngest son. None of which is relevant. The second Assange made it personal and started choosing winners and losers in national elections, then he become a political operative, and a foreign agent and should be treated as such. For better or for worse, we elect our representatives and can theoretically hold them accountable. Nobody elected Assange and he answers to no one. That makes him a liability to democracy. It's like vigilantes - they make great movie characters, and we can all empathise with someone who sidesteps the law to take revenge, but with only a second of thought and a modicum of intelligence, you can immediately see why such a role could never be sanctioned or allowed to go unpunished.
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  24733. This is not a free speech issue. I believe in free speech but not unrestricted free speech. I was delighted to see Alex Jones lose his platform for instance. But Peterson wilfully misrepresented bill C16. He repeatedly portrayed himself as a martyr who was going to be be punished by the state for refusing to use preferred pronouns. That was NEVER a danger, and he was never in a position where he was compelled to use anyone's pronouns. I don't care whether enforced monogamy is an anthropological term. That wasn't the context in which Peterson used it, as evidenced by his huge embarrassed pause when Rogan called him on the contradiction. As for the amount of Peterson you have watched, why is that n the same sentence as your unfamiliarity with his comments on monetising SJWs? The juxtaposition suggests that you don't believe it, in which case, I guess you haven't watched ALL the Jordan Peterson. Regardless of what his book was about (it came long after he had started receiving a monthly 5 figure income from youtube et al). Peterson became a cause celebre as a direct result of his opposition to C16, and then his subsequent eulogising to his primary target demographic - disaffected young males. The fact that as a result of his fame he was also able to sell a million books is coincidental. He said it. He did it. It worked. And no, people didn't buy his book for free speech alone any more than people bought Milo Yianoupolis' book simply because they hated feminism. He appealed to a deep-seated sense of disaffection and grievance; the exact sentiment that lead so many people to vote for Trump. Jordan doesn't frighten me, he disgusts me, because he comes clad in the disguise of a kindly father figure or an uncle, and some of the things he says are quite intelligent and reasonable, but mixed in amongst his wisdom is utter utter crap, but most of his audience lacks the discernment to recognise it. So he places these little toxic seeds into their heads and appeals to their sense of victimhood. How much Peterson do I have to listen to before I can be considered to have a reasonable measure of the man? Everything? Or perhaps some of the things he says are so asinine and egregious as to disqualify him from further consideration. I might ask you equally, why are you defending a person who spouts some arguments with such huge holes? It seems to me that it is YOUR confirmation bias that is blinding you to his flaws.
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  24828. ​ @ritecomment2098  1. The deaths were needless because Boris Johnson's response was woeful. He was way too late shutting the border, even allowing superspreader events at the start, way too late locking down the country, he reopened too early, and then again in christmas simply to pander, the government messaging was appalling, he made repeated excuses for rule breakers among his inner circle, and has shot himself in the foot by continuously flouting the guidleines that he imposed. Kids were treated as though they could not pass it on. I could continue, but the point is, the way Johnson managed the virus at every possible point, lead to a worse outcome for the country. 2. Don't put words into my mouth. People die all the time. That's part of life. However, easily preventable deaths from a wholly new source should be prevented if possible and reasonable. If it costs a million pounds each to save a 98 year old, then that is clearly not reasonable. Mankind has successully worked for millennia to increase our life expctancy, and it is outrageous that anyone would argue that now we suddenly write off savable elderly by virtue of their age. And you know full well that it is not just people in their 90s who are dying - plenty of people in their 30s and 40s are also dying prematurely, and who would be alive now without covid. 3. More hyperbolic straw manning. I never for a second suggested that we "imprison the UK population in their homes against all sorts of 'risk'." For starters, other risks are not contagious. But IF the entire UK population HAD been "imprisoned" for just two weeks, and then the borders closed, this would have been over almost two years ago, which would have been massively cheaper than what we did instead. 4. Covid is not flu. It's caused by a different virus. Flu does not leave the same long lasting after effects in many cases, such loss of taste and extreme fatuigue. But even if covid WAS flu, I would remind you that 100 million people died of Spanish flu in 1918. Your dismissal makes as much sense as saying WW2 was "just another war."
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  25113.  @TheCheese1988  It amazes me how an intelligent person as you clearly are, justifies theft and a sense of entitlement to other people's money. Let's unpack this. At its most basic level, taxation is designed to provide support for the infrastructure that enables society to function: roads, army, police, government, safety regulation, etc. It was NEVER intended as a form of wealth redistribution nor SHOULD it be. By what right does a poor person who has made bad life choices have any expectation to share in the income of those who earn more? Nobody CHOOSES to be born into the society that they live in. I believe it was Rousseau who coined the term "the social contract" the tacit agreement of the population to be governed by laws that they did not explicitly choose. The only way that ANYONE would voluntarily agree to that is if those laws are perceived to be both fair and necessary. On a fundamental level, providing social infrastructure is both fair AND necessary. Ignoring idiot libertarians who think that they can somehow pay only for what they use (somehow forgetting about foreign adversaries, immigration control, law and order, health and safety and a million other things that they cannot possibly pay for on a "by the use" basis. Don't get me wrong, I think that healthcare IS a human right, and affordable tertiary education benefits society, but it is not the DUTY of the wealthy to benefit society. YOu say that "a person profiting from a country and its citizens gives a share of their wealth back" and by "a share", you actually mean a GREATER share as a percentage, but this is where you are thinking like an uber-lib. Society has no RIGHT to their money. Except for those who make their wealth from investing, the wealthy have already more than given back to society in terms of jobs, and services required to support their businesses. Take Amazon - your example. They employ 566,000 people worldwide. That's over half a million people who would possibly not even HAVE jobs were it not for Amazon. Again we can definitely talk about minimum wage but that's a different conversation. Then talk about all the other industries that benefit - the fuel industry that puts gasoline in all those worker's cars, the taxation levied upon the gas to deliver all those goods, the delivery drivers (not employed by Amazon), the packaging manufacturers, plus the manufacturers of all the things they sell. The ripples of income generation for society and the goverment is massive. So when you talk about the benefis Basos takes from society, he pays every step of the way for that benefit, and society would be far worse off without Basos than the other way around. Now you have proposed that people who, through their own labour or that of family members before them, earn much more than the average, should simply have more of that income stolen from them. Why? Did they use more of society's resources to accumulate it? You say that being taxed on their earnings is "ergo fair". They ARE taxed on their earnings. If they earn 20 million and you earn 200k, if you are both taxed at a flat 20% THAT is fair. You are absolutely spot on in assessing that the wealthy are able to use their wealth to exploit a plethora of tax avoidance schemes and I would argue that THIS is what needs addressing. In a sense, simply increasing the tax rate for ALL high earners is the same as a regressive tax for the poor in that it penalises ALL wealthy for the crimes of just a percentage of them. Take Jeff Basos or Elon Musk - a bigger pair of scumbags you could not hope to meet. Perhaps they pay their staff minimum wage and hide their money offshore. Then take Bernie Sanders. I assume that he is straight down the line with his taxes. Why should he pay a higher tax bracket because scum like Musk avoid their share? The solution is not simply to raise taxation on ALL higher earners (I realise Sanders would never be in the same tax bracket as Basos). The solution is to ensure that the wealthy are not able to exploit loopholes that their wealth enabled them to have implemented in the first place. And the solution is to take money out of politics.
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