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Comments by "Jim Taylor" (@jimtaylor294) on "HMS Implacable - Guide 360" video.
the British government* ๐
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Ironic to think that the cause of death for the Implaccable twins was their smaller but elder half-sister Victorious gobbling up all the money ๐ . Makes one wonder how things would've gone had the twins bee prioritized, and the Illustrious class written off as too old & small. (I don't dislike Victorious though; she had quite the interesting life, albeit cut short by an onboard fire in the '60's, which given the amount spent on her was cruelly ironic)
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@empath69ย Yeah. Most Brit's would agree with you there, alongwith this one ๐๐
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ย @stefanpajung113ย I don't know. We did seize quite a few Vichy French ships where possible in WWII, turning them over to the Free French afterwards ๐
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That said: UK Submarine R&D fortunately was another matter, snd was the unsung reason we sent the entire Argie navy - with one of our old carriers - running back into port ๐ Granted though: Any Carrier big enough to get the Phantoms and Buccaneer S.2C's down there, would have made short work of Galtieri's lot too... but then again the Argies would've surrendered if we'd shown up with that much hardware ๐ (they only invaded after all because the junta had decided nicking the Falklands was less risky than a war wth Pinochet's Chile [which by Argentina's own estimates they would lose to Chile badly])
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Cite reasons why or it never happened ๐
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Many things could be said about how the Audacious twins and the Centaurs should've got more attention (and nearly did), or that we should've built two of the Malta's and focused on a small postwar force of large fleet carriers, with perhaps a couple of smaller specialist Carriers / fleet repair ships ๐ค . As it was though; never underestimate the lack of sense in a UK politician ๐
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@Philistine47ย Agreed. Similar thing with the debate over whether which Audacious class ship should've been kept in service (although of course both should have), with Eagle usually being the ship veterans & historians say should have stayed in operation.
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@FallenPhoenix86ย Eeh. Back in the early '60's the plan [at least one of them] was to keep the Audacious class into the 1990's with life extension refits, which likely would've worked and then led to a like for like replacement. Of course the government wasn't in a sensible mood so we got the 1966 Defence White Paper instead ๐คฆโโ๏ธ . Had the Midway class style refits occured, we probably would have seen the Audacious sisters operating a variant of the F-14, and the Invincible class would've never happened; rather we probably would've got some sort of ASW / Anti-Aircraft Cruiser to support the Carriers... or just the planned six Type-82 (Bristol class) Destroyers ๐ค .
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Amen. We're not the only culprit, but it happens a lot to us it has to be said. Such is the blight of Politicians and Civil Servants without sense ๐
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^ Not true actually. More like wasted the money; none left for project , an ongoing issue to this day ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
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โย @robertsneddon731ย Precisely ๐๐
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, or in my case; Tea with a snack ๐
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ย @stefanpajung113ย Aye; though it shows a glimmer of the old tradition, and that the first part was still very much in the RN's skillset ๐ .
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^ #Delusion100 ๐ @leftcoaster67ย Not so much Broke, as ruled by uninterested and unimaginative politicians. Warspite [which was at the time formally considered by the RN for conversion to a museum ship] after all was by 1945 too materially degraded to realistically preserve, but her near identical elder sister Queen Elizabeth wasn't. They could have scrapped Warspite & kept some of her and the other sister's effects on QE as an overall museum to the entire class, surprisingly easily. We have to remember after all, that Japan managed to preserve the Mikasa, despite being pretty much destitute postwar (in part because the ship and her role at Tsushima was deemed a valuable positive note in Japanese history).
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@RedXlVย A lot to unpack there, but I agree re' Carriers. Had we still even had a Centaur class with a long enough Catapult it would've deterred the Argentines. Heck: had we still had Vanguard in the reserve fleet in '82, she alone would have been an opponent the Argies would've surrendered to. (she would've comfortably outranged any shipboard weaponry they had to hand [and could've shelled anywhere on the Falklands with her 15" guns], their Sub's were too old to sneak inside RN ASW [as the conflict proved] and Exocet missiles aren't designed to penetrate armour... it would've been glorious, had she been retained in line with the US model of overmatching Soviet Cruisers, and had Argentina called our bluff ๐๐ . That said the weak UK Government response to the Argentine landing on Southern Thule in 1976 didn't help either (and shows the Argies were testing us even back when we still had the Audacious twins) as they weren't actually evicted and the illegal outpost demolished until the conflict in '82. The role of the Submarines in the actual conflict shouldn't be overlooked though, as they swept the waves of our opposition and kept them in port, while making Argie resupply of the islands by sea highly risky.
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Something like that ๐ Other Ships: exist Victorious: om nom nom nom
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@helicoptersauceย That she did. And before the onboard fire that wrecked the ship, she worked well too. There were better candidates for the money though, ad a pair of Implaccables would have looked cool too.
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@helicoptersauceย True. Begs the question as to what the reconstruction efforts planned for the Implaccables and Audacious's would've looked like though ๐ค .
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Aye. Civil Servants and ""Special Advisors"" too ๐
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@Kakarot64.ย Sounds like retail & warehousing as well really ๐ . (20% of the workforce to about 80% of all the work, and Failing Upwards is all too common)
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