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Comments by "Jim Taylor" (@jimtaylor294) on "Operation Ten-Go - The bigger they come, the harder they fall" video.
Returning to port arse first... such are the oddities of war.
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Aye, or if the US had taken one home as a war trophy (pretty hard to top that for size of visible achievement).
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@lycossurfer8851 Aye ;) . >Warship... Reversing. Warship... Reversing.<
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Fair fights are for sport, not war. "Don't worry I promise a fair fight... and by that I mean one totally stacked in my favour!" - The Joker
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Theoretically. What the USN would have done with an intact Yamato class is anyone's guess, as unlike Nagato she wasn't a WWI era ship.
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In the case of Capital ships: mostly by torpedoes and gunfire.
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@redshirt5126 True, though enough was known for them to take her class particularly seriously. Makes one wonder how well Spruance's six Battleships would have fared. Then again he had six ships to one and the option of several more modern Battleships too... so its more of a thought experiment in how messy an outcome it would've been, rather than what outcome.
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@aldrinharlim Aye, but it is interesting to think about. In the case of Yamato is was possible that her sheer cache as a war prize might have elicited special treatment... hypothetically. Then again the IJN likely would've scuttled or blown up the ship had she been around at wars end, rather than surrender her. Death before dishonour was after all a generations old concept in Japan's culture, and surrendering their sole remaining modern Battleship would likely have been deemed unbearable.
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Warships are typically female. This's partucularly true in Japan, where female given names are commonly used ('Haruna', most obviously).
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It was. Then again in war it serves no real purpose to not go in with all available assets, when the situation allows one to.
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Might have been taken back to the US as a war trophy. After all the RN paraded a captured U Boat on the Thames at the end of the war. We didn't keep it as a permenant trophy though, which was rather a pity.
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^ Not quite. Mechanical Firing Control Computers had existed since before Jutland. Indeed it was inept handling of the Battlecruisers by Beatty in said battle which wasted the British range advantage. That: and WWII also saw the first Electronic Computer (Colossus), allowing the British to read Enigma messages, sometimes even before the German recipient of said message had.
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A man of culture I see ;) .
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A most excellent video as always. Cue the obligatory 'Bring on the Battleships!' wargaming video to come though ;) .
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Ah; a man of Rainsqualls I see ;) .
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Well, if being slain in battle by hundreds of opponents could be considered pedestrian...
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Given that only two allied Capital Ships would be lost to air attack after Pearl Harbour (and even if counting the latter its still only five ships in the entire war), despite no shortage of axis effort, shipboard AAA was evidently quite effective. This was particularly so after improvements in shipboard Radar and FCS. By contrast the RN lost three Capital Ships to Sub's and Gunfire. Most of the RN's Carrier losses were to Submarines also. The exceptions being Glorious (lost to Gunfire) and Hermes (the only one sunk by aircraft).
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^ Disagree. All instances of japanese aircraft attacking Battleships in the pacific after P/H failed to inflict any lasting damage. This is demonstrably due to excellent AAA. Indeed: by wars end Torpedo Bombers were essentially obsolete against RN & USN Capital Ships, as getting close enough to the target to launch torp's whilst having to fly low and slow... was suicidal. By the late-1950's TB's had largely ceased carring Anti-Ship torpedoes altogether, and within a decade of that only Anti-Sub' torp's were being used. These days fixed wing aircraft hardly ever carry torp's of any sort, with the Nimrod being one of the few Jets that did so (and that required brake parachutes and flying slow to avoid the Anti-Sub' weapon being smashed to peices on hitting the water) It's also of note that with ships motoring at speeds higher than 24knots, hitting them at all with torpedoes was extremely difficult. This was one reason why the Kriegsmarine failed to sink either of the UK's Cunard liners, as they moved too fast in open sea for the U Boats to catch or attack.
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^x1 Then we must differ, as that doesn't tally with what I've read & seen.
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@aldrinharlim Well its all hypothetical really. The USN had trouble sinking some of its own old warships with conventional and nuclear arms, so what'd happen there is unclear. As it is the Yamato would probably have faced her final action intercepting a shore bombardment assault on the home islands if not sent on Op' Ten Go. At least that's what the IJN had in mind. Either way. I can certainly picture the IJN moving her out of harbour at war's end with a skeleton crew. Abandoning ship and her then violently exploding some time thereafter. (somewhat like the Graf Spee... only far larger, especially if the 18.1" stores were set off in unison)
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Technically not. The number of Capital Ships sunk (permenantly) in WWII by aircraft is smaller than one would think. The RN lost two out of five to aircraft, for example (losing two of the rest to Submarines & Hood to gunfire). They also commissioned five modern Battleships during the war, negating the aforementioned losses.
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The USN lost three Battleships in WWII, all to aircraft, but the third technically was disarmed and thus only partially counts. The Germans lost only two Capital ships (discounting their ancient Predread's) to air attack, with the other two being sunk chiefly by gunfire. Italy lost one Battleship to aircraft, plus one more never repaired after Taranto. France scuttled most of theirs and thus doesn't really count, apart from the one ship they lost to gunfire at Mers el Kebir. Russia only had one Battleship disabled by air attack, the germans repeatingly failing to permenantly silence the elderly Dreadnought. And as for Japan... well they lost more of theirs to gunfire and torpedoes than to aircraft.
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^ That entire argument - and narrative - is wrong, but I would have to make a video to properly elaborate as to why. (there's not the character limit on here nor time in the universe to type an adequate reply in here)
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@jeg5gom Not meant to be touche, rather just making the point that from a Japanese point of view, being slain in a battle against insane odds is all too apt. Granted though; Yamashiro got the fate that Yamato might have expected, and probably would have had if Spruance had gotten his way.
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Will we get a What If Yamato vs Spruance's Battleships' wargame video after this? (given that it was the initially prepared for action)
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