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Comments by "Jim Taylor" (@jimtaylor294) on "“Flying Flatiron”; The Javelin, Last of the Gloster Aircraft" video.
Aye. The Spey engined Phantoms famously always frustrated US Carrier crews on joint exercises, as they didn't have the same kind of jetblast deflectors nor strengthened decks as the FAA did, thus the Spey engined Phantoms melted / set fires on the decks of US Carriers they landed & took off from 😂 .
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I'm an '80's kid, yet have favourites from all over the Cold War era 😂 . The SAAB Draken for example; always struck me as the unsolicited lovechild of a MIG-21 and Concord with a pinch of Angel Interceptor from Captain Scarlet 😂
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^ TDS much? 😂
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Aye. We have only the government to blame for this. That said, the Tornado and Typhoon were basically British aircraft with foreign backing & assembly assistance. The Jaguar (mostly french) and Harrier II (50/50 with the USA) are counter-examples though.
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Ironically Tesco has never had an s in their name; customers just keep adding one 😂 . (even Wallace in A Grand Day Out does)
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@stevetournay6103 "All the more for us, and not a Sheep to worry us, huhu."
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@jackroutledge352 Good point. Both examples are something the RN & USN would do well to always keep in mind as practical examples re' interoperability 🤔 .
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@smelkus Not really. By the time of Jaguar there'd already been Concord (a mostly British project, unlike Jaguar) and the abortive AFVG (Anglo-French Variable Geometry) project, which preceeded what became MRCA (Tornado). Multinational projects re' aircraft started with Concord in the late-1950's, and by the late-1960's the UK government had basically ceased going it alone on most projects, having also essentially destroyed most of the domestic aerospace industry with forced mergers and starvation of government orders. (Handley Page most infamously of all; the latter resisted the Ministry of Supply's plan to amalgamate the aircraft companies, and as such was essentially barred from selling to BOAC, BEA or the RAF & FAA; civil servant pettiness put the same company that'd given the country the excellent Victor jet bomber out of business)
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@mrjockt Ironically it's still possible to produce relatively inexpensive aircraft, but the industry is no longer set up to do so. Companies like Lockheed are very good at squeezing every penny they can from the customer, which is usually the government. It's also notable that domestic projects have always been cheaper and taken less time and personnel overall vs multinational. The two reasons why the latter became popular are: • More governments covering the overall cost, even though that cost is higher. • Multinational projects are harder for a random change in government to cancel, as has been a recurring problem with UK domestic projects since the 1960's, and Concord famously evaded because the French fiercely resisted an attempt by the Wilson government in the UK to exit the project. (thanks to how robustly the project was written up, if the UK or France had left the project without the other's approval, then the leaving nation would still have to pay but would get nothing upon completion of the project)
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@mrjockt Agreed. France also has a history since the AFVG back in the '60's of entering multinational projects, having a good look around and then leaving again, whispering suspiciously with pockets full of microfilm 😅 . (even with the precursor project to the Typhoo & BAe EAP, the ACA)
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@awatt Yup. At least the USA now has a leader that can finish a sentence, doesn't get lost in his own house and doesn't resemble a Dalek when present led with stairs 😅 .
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^ Keep giming boyo. Your senile kiddie sniffer has finally collapsed into dust and his dull as ditchwater DEI hire VP is in the electoral dustbin of history, #GetOverIt 😆🤣🤡🤡
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Blackburn Buccaneer: humph
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Granted; whether the F-35 is a lemon or a slightly muddy peach has yet to be established... though its absurdly long R&D, cost and its manufacturer's long history for crookedness... certainly aren't encouraging 🤔 . That, and conceptually it has the same flaws as the P.1154, Mirage 3V, Balzac, YAK-41, and other expensive "beats as it sweeps as it cleans" projects.
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@ArmySigs Whether the Camel could even do that is debatable 😆 . The Camel is more positively thought of by most though; partially because it's been a century and most issues have long since been resolved and forgotten, but also we have basically all the hindsight possible 🤔
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