Comments by "Da O" (@dao8805) on "Off-Duty Pilot Took MAGIC MUSHROOMS Before Trying To Shut-Off Plane MID-FLIGHT: Report" video.
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The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
You're right that depression is serious so anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what is dreamed or imagined. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they can perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
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The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
Anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek mental health treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing dissociation or depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what not. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake because he was just as sick as someone with diabetes or cancer or any other chronic illness that worsens over time if not treated. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
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This should not be a story about psychedelics. The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
Anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession. He was not being irresponsible. He was playing by the industry's rules and trying to keep his job.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing dissociation or depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what is not. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake because he was just as sick as a person with diabetes or cancer or any other chronic health condition that worsens if untreated. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they can perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
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@1stuart1 No, I never said "he did what he had to do". What I am saying is his employer, the airline industry and our society never should have put him (or anyone) in a situation of having to make an impossible choice between:
A)getting medical attention, and thereby throwing away everything he has worked for his entire life, and
B) trying to tough it out to support his family and keep his health insurance while trying to find ways to deal with it himself (the mushrooms) so that he would not jeopardize his future.
That is not a realistic or fair choice. It takes years and years to get where he was. Airlines do not trust their planes and passengers to people who do not demonstrate outstanding skill and reliability. No one is his position chooses to throws it all away. He was between a rock and a hard place. He was in a no-win situation because of airline industry policy and it does not have to be that way. All they have to do is let pilots access mental health care without repercussions to their careers. This pilot made his choice to tough it out when he was depressed, which is proven to affect a person's judgement.
There was no unsupported narrative in my response regarding sleep deprivation, depression and dissociative disorders. The pilot explicitly cites the first two as things he has been suffering from. Sleep deprivation is a huge issue among airline pilots and the industry knows it but still won't allow treatment of it. They, and they alone are responsible for the cause of sleep deprivation (because of erratic scheduling) and for their refusal to treat it.
As for the third item, dissociative disorders, his actions are overwhelming evidence that he was acting out due to that, in addition to his statement that it was like a dream. He was in an altered state not of his own choosing. Can I prove that? No. It will all have to come out in court. The problem is that people are judging him now, just based on media spin around mushrooms and portraying him as reckless and irresponsible. THAT is what is disingenuous here. Research these conditions to get a better understanding of how they affect perception and judgment and how lack of treatment leads to more serious psychiatric conditions over time.
Mental illness is a double edged sword that tells its sufferers that they can will themselves out of their condition, at the same time it is pulling them further into the abyss. It is just as real as diabetes, cancer or any other medical condition that is beyond the control of the person who has it. The difference is that sufferers of the later conditions are not judged for the effects of their disease the same way as those who suffer from mentally illness.
Ask yourself this: If a truck driver passed out from a diabetic or epileptic seizure behind the wheel, causing a multiple vehicle accident on a major highway that resulted in multiple deaths, would he or she be judged just as critically as this pilot? I very much doubt it. The public would at least be much more likely to wait for the full story to come out instead of rushing to judgment over media hype. The way this story has been rolled out by the media gives this pilot no chance and that is just not fair. All the blame is being placed on him while the airline industry is getting off scot free for inhumane and outdated policies that serve only their profit goals.
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The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
Anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession. He was not being irresponsible. He was playing by the industry's rules and trying to keep his job.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing dissociation or depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what is not. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake because he was just as sick as a person with diabetes or cancer or any other chronic health condition that worsens if untreated. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they can perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
The story here should be about getting the airline industry to treat pilots like human beings. Rising and other media really missed the mark on this story.
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This should not be a story about psychedelics. The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
Anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession. He was not being irresponsible. He was playing by the industry's rules and trying to keep his job.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing dissociation or depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what is not. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake because he was just as sick as a person with diabetes or cancer or any other chronic health condition that worsens if untreated. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they can perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
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This should not be a story about psychedelics. The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
Anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession. He was not being irresponsible. He was playing by the industry's rules and trying to keep his job.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing dissociation or depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what is not. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake because he was just as sick as a person with diabetes or cancer or any other chronic health condition that worsens if untreated. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they can perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
The story here should be about getting the airline industry to treat pilots like human beings. Rising and other media really missed the mark on this story.
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This should not be a story about psychedelics. The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
Anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession. He was not being irresponsible. He was playing by the industry's rules and trying to keep his job.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing dissociation or depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what is not. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake because he was just as sick as a person with diabetes or cancer or any other chronic health condition that worsens if untreated. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they can perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
The story here should be about getting the airline industry to treat pilots like human beings. Rising and other media really missed the mark on this story.
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This should not be a story about psychedelics. The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
Anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession. He was not being irresponsible. He was playing by the industry's rules and trying to keep his job.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing dissociation or depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what is not. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake because he was just as sick as a person with diabetes or cancer or any other chronic health condition that worsens if untreated. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they can perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
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This should not be a story about psychedelics. The real issue here is that the airline industry punishes pilots for even the slightest hint that they are seeking mental health help or should be doing so. That's the reason this guy tried to self medicate. No pilot goes 48 hours without sleep by choice. He was obviously having serious mental health issues for which he could not seek treatment without being grounded.
Anyone, in any profession, should be able to seek treatment without a threat to their career. Even going to marriage counseling is going to ground a pilot; thus the high rate of infidelity and divorce in the profession. He was not being irresponsible. He was playing by the industry's rules and trying to keep his job.
This pilot referenced feeling like it was a dream, so his condition may have worsened to the point of experiencing dissociation or depersonalization where a person feels like they are in a dream or altered reality , experiencing an event as though it were a movie, not knowing what is real and what is not. That would also explain his attempts to escape what he was experiencing by trying to take down the plane or open the emergency exit; both consistent with overwhelming terror. Anyone in a state of overwhelming fear is going to try to escape any way they can.
Furthermore, no one is talking about all the years he performed his job without incident and provided a service that society values. Instead, he has the eyes of the world judging him for one mistake because he was just as sick as a person with diabetes or cancer or any other chronic health condition that worsens if untreated. Until someone has walked in the shoes of a professional airline pilot, they have no idea of the pressure, the crazy schedules that constantly disrupt sleep cycles, and the constant expectation that they can perform as perfectly programmed robots instead of the very real human beings they are.
The story here should be about getting the airline industry to treat pilots like human beings. Rising and other media really missed the mark on this story.
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