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What misinformation?
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Rogan is 100% correct. Pakman is just jealous
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@murphy804 on the point of the lockdowns and businesses shutting down. At the beginning there was justification, but the problem is that there was no desire to have a discussion by those who pushed them. Come May of 2020 it was clear this virus was not that deadly but schools remained shut down and same with businesses.
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@runnergo1398 what covid misinformation?
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it was democrats that did those covid restrictions. Trump wanted them to end but knew he had no authority to do so (despite you guys calling him a fascist). In fact, if Trump did a federal lockdown and a federal mask mandate you guys would have thrown down your masks and rallied in the streets calling Trump a fascist.
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@EVIL-C to be fair he challenged Dr Gupta on ivermectin saying he was prescribed it by his doctor and it is safe for humans. This was after Gupta criticized it and did so again after being on Rogan's show.
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Then why were gyms and parks shut down but liquor stores were left open?
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I learned that people will listen to a man in a lab coat without question. People listened to Fauci without question when other doctors were questioning his actions.
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You are comparing vaccines that have been around for centuries and have been fully tested vs a vaccine that has been around for a few weeks for a disease that we had a well over 99% chance of surviving from.
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Because it showed the powers we are willing to give to the government without question which is scary. At a drop of a hat many state governments shut down businesses, schools, and stripped people of their lives and refused to have a discussion on the issue. The pushed for censorship calling some things "misinformation" as opposed to allowing the information to be presented and then giving counter points. Many people just blindly followed what the government did without question and when others did question the draconian orders we were told to shut up and obey. It also divided us as a nation. There are many people I refuse to talk to because of covid. My advisor at grad school signed the covid vaccine mandate petition saying you had to take the vaccine or you get kicked out of college. I literally told him he is dangerous. Because at what point will he threaten my life, and other people's lives without having a discussion with them first. At the beginning the covid lockdowns were necessary in some ways. But at that point we needed to have discussions and be given information and choices. Instead we were told to shut up and keep going. To me I saw many people as dangerous because at what point will you do that again, shut down my life and ignore my concerns. And now to make it worse people like you just sweep it under the rug as if nothing happened.
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To add, we now have real world data on what happens when we do the lockdowns. What happens to the economy, kids' education, people's psychological health, etc. We can use that as a baseline in case another "pandemic" happens. Instead people just swept it under the rug. Mainly because they feel they will be shown to be wrong.
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@murphy804 we had the petri dish in the cruise ship. A well over 99% survival rate. Also, we needed to consider the damage from the lockdowns. Alcohol abuse spiked. Same with obesity and diabetes. Kids' education were ruined. People's psychological health were damaged. The economy was damaged. Sweden never lockdown and saw a low death rate. FL opened up early and did not see a high death rate despite having an old population. Also, hospital are always near capacity, that is how they make money. A CEO of a Texas hospital said they are always over 90% capacity and can open up temporary ICU rooms if needed. In 2017 a hospital in California has to put up tents to be used as temporary ICU rooms. That is why during covid hospitals knew how to put up ICU rooms, they have done it in the past. Fact is the lockdowns caused more damage.
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@alexobrien3890 almost all who died with covid in 2020 would have died in the same timeframe to begin with based on many stats. If you plot death rate as a function of age, death probability as a function of age, and covid death as a function of age you will see the same exponential curve. Around 40% of covid related deaths were nursing home patients where a 2010 report from UCSF stated that 65% of new nursing home patients die in a year. These people were at high risk of death to begin with. We have never shut down the nation in the past for these people. The reason why is because the lockdowns caused more problems. So we shut down schools and businesses ruining our economy and education just so 90 year old grandma may live a few more weeks. That is not a success.
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@murphy804 on the cruse ship the infection rate was high and the death rate was low. That was the point. In fact, a NEJM paper titled "Covid-19=Navigating the Uncharted" with Fauci as the lead author said " If one assumes that the number of asymptomatic or minimally symptomatic cases is several times as high as the number of reported cases, the case fatality rate may be considerably less than 1%. This suggests that the overall clinical consequences of Covid-19 may ultimately be more akin to those of a severe seasonal influenza (which has a case fatality rate of approximately 0.1%) or a pandemic influenza (similar to those in 1957 and 1968) rather than a disease similar to SARS or MERS, which have had case fatality rates of 9 to 10% and 36%, respectively." Also you have this from a CDC report "In a March 23 CDC report: Among 3,711 Diamond Princess passengers and crew, 712 (19.2%) had positive test results for SARS-CoV-2. Of these, 331 (46.5%) were asymptomatic at the time of testing. Among 381 symptomatic patients, 37 (9.7%) required intensive care, and nine (1.3%) died (8)." Of the 9 that died, all were above the age of 70. If the virus was really that dangerous that number would be much higher. You also have to factor in the people who got it early on and recovered with no symptoms and thus gave negative results. The whole point of the cruise ship data is that you had a group of people in a confined area, and yes, things were going as usual. In the article titled "The Corona Princess: Learning from a petri dish cruise (i)" it states " Even if everything had gone as planned, the quarantine was really only for the (approximately 3700) passengers because the 1000 or so crew members still had to run the ship, as well as cook and deliver food to the passenger’s cabins. " It was the petri dish and from there it was clear that it was not that dangerous Sweden did have a low death rate. Again, it comes back to if the virus was really that dangerous then Sweden would have seen a very high death rate. Same with Florida which is number two in median age as a lot of older people live in FL. FL is not even number one in the US. " Hospitals having the ability to extend their capacity doesn't mean they should be put in a position where they have to do so." Again, that is always the case. Remember, we have a for profit healthcare system and they want to make money. Just like how a restaurant or hotel want to be near capacity, so does a hospital. "The fact is, if this was left to run rampant, far more people would have directly died from the COVID-19 virus." And there is nothing to back that up. Again, if it was so deadly a lot of people would have died on that cruise ship, not 9 that were all over 70. FL would have had a very high death rate, they are not even number 1 in the US. You also have to factor in weaken immune systems due to gyms being shut down, spike in alcohol abuse, etc. How many became severely ill because their immune system became weaker as they could not exercise or go outside?
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@galvanaut7119 " It was encouraged by the authoritative sources to get adequate nutrition, sleep, and exercise" Then why were gyms and parks shut down? Liquor stores were left open as well. You also have psychological health as well that was never considered.
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@galvanaut7119 also, what vaccine required 3 to 4 shots in a years time to possibly work? None. On top of that, when the vaccine roll out was occurring you had people like Psaki saying they will still promote masks and social distancing, so what is the point? Does it work? Same with the mandate. If the vaccine works, why the mandate? If you are vaccinated you are safe. Others who are not are willing to take the risk. So stop the mask mandates and stop shutting down schools. In fall of 2021, with the majority being vaccinated in my state, there were still mask mandates and schools were still being shut down. Why? It made no sense. This is why only around 20% are taking the booster. There came a point people realized they were being lied to and this was nothing more than a power grab by the government.
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@alexobrien3890 no, that person is wrong. That is why they say "The rest of your comment is so wrong, it will take too much to address it" Because they don't have anything so they just hand wave it off.
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in many places it wasn't which is why so many moved. Put it like this, in fall of 2020 26 states had republican governors, 25 of them allowed fall sports. Of the 22 states with democrat governors only 5 allowed fall sports. It was insane how my state did not allow fall sports but the state east of us did. I remember seeing pictures in the winter from my niece's state with full bleachers in basketball games but when we started doing football in January of 2021 people could not sit in the stands.....outdoor.
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Died with covid. Corrected that for you.
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@sithwolf8017 I bet you are the type of person who wears masks in a car driving by yourself.
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@sithwolf8017 never. There is a difference there. With that law there was an act of congress that discussed the pros and cons and realized a blind man cannot drive. However, they have other options such as public transportation. You are the type of person who will tell the blind man to just end their life giving them no options.
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@sithwolf8017 since when did we quarantine healthy people with no symptoms?
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@sithwolf8017 since when did we shut down schools over the flu?
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@sithwolf8017 since when did we shut down over the flu?
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@sithwolf8017 since when did we shut down schools over the sniffles?
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@sithwolf8017 since when did government restrictions were passed without an act of congress?
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@sithwolf8017 you are losing the narrative bud.
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@sithwolf8017 yes, disease spread. Doesn't mean they are dangerous. Again, life is full of danger. If you are scared you can hide. And again, since when did we quarantine healthy people who are not infected?
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@sithwolf8017 also, science has studied the psychological effects of quarantines and the negative consequences of them. But of course you will ignore that.
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@sithwolf8017 science is complex, but considering how you feel you are the center of the universe everyone should cater to you. .
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@sithwolf8017 you are losing the narrative.
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@sithwolf8017 you are comparing this to polio which you can't. Again, covid had a well over 99% survival rate. And while diseases have a level of danger to them, you have to look at the alternative. " And then there's your blasé attitude towards human life. It holds zero value to you. If a kid dies so what?" Again, funny, if I were to die of alcoholism you would not have cared. And the rate of kids dying was essentially zero. " If your family dies, who gives a shit? " My family was on the same page I was, and we are all alive.
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@sithwolf8017 " You value no one and nothing. " Again, you did not value my life. I told you, I had a cure for my alcoholism, it was being active which you stripped way from me. I told you the options I gave you to you. Work at home, do curb side pickup or delivery. You can hide at home. That was your choice. Bottom line is this, if you were scared you can stay at home, I supported that option. You are so selfish your stance was "bow down to me as I am king". That is your stance. My stance as that you had the option to stay home. But the moment you stepped outside of your home you take the risk in life. Answer this, when you drive down the road do you demand that every other driver pull aside so you have the entire road to yourself?
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@sithwolf8017 but hey, answer the question. Since when did we quarantine healthy people who are not infected?
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@sithwolf8017 you comparing covid to something that happened centuries ago when technology was far inferior. Again ,since when did we quarantine healthy people who are not infected? And yes, I will bet on those odds. I had a higher chance of dying in a car accident than from covid. The vast majority did. Again, I rather live life and enjoy doing the things I do and die from covid as opposed to living in fear. Again, if you want to live in fear you do it.
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@sithwolf8017 I know what quarantine means (you can't even spell it correctly). It is when you take someone who is sick and put them in an isolated place to keep them from infecting others. So again, when have we ever quarantine healthy people who are not infected?
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@sithwolf8017 "But meh, you want people to die from diseases." People have died for many reasons including diseases for as long as man has been around. Again, bottom line if you were scared you can stay at home. You can hide in your closet under your blanket wearing 4 masks. I, and others who know the virus exists would go out and live life. We knew the virus exist. We knew there was a risk we can die from it. You say I want people to die from diseases. That is 100% false. I want people to live life. If you were scared there were options to work at home, have groceries delivered to you where you can hide at home. You had that option. And I, and others had the option to live life knowing full well there was this disease out there.
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@sithwolf8017 you do know that I was also placing myself at risk going out in public? You make is sound like that I felt I was 100% immune. But meh, you are simply a fascist.
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@sithwolf8017 and again, you cannot even spell quarantine correctly.
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@sithwolf8017 no, that is quarantine, period. Again, if you were scared you could have stayed home. But meh, you like to be a fascist. No go hide in your closet under your blanket with your 4 mask. Ol' scary covid might get you and you will only have an over 99% chance of surviving.
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@sithwolf8017 to let you know, you are the type of person that destroyed my life over a disease where you had options to stay home. How about this, if we were to ever meet, how would you feel if I beat you down as payback? I bet you would hate it. But that is what you did to me and others. All because you were scared of a little ol' disease. I was open to options for you to stay home. As I said, I was willing to step outside and I, along with others who were willing to step outside knew covid existed. We were willing to take the risk . I mean, what ever happened to my body my choice?
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@sithwolf8017 what ever happened to my body my choice you fascist? Well, you do not even know what quarantine means, let alone know how to spell it.
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@sithwolf8017 I am not hateful, you literally support ruining people's lives. "Beating me is in no way related to following disease prevention measures" No, it is related to the fact you support shutting down people's businesses and ruining their way of life. Or shutting down schools and ruining kids' education. Or stripping me of my life that was my cure of alcoholism. You see, you did not care about my alcoholism at all as you don't care about others. You only cared about yourself. So no, it is not a false equivalence. It is me saying if you are going to destroy my life without having a discussion with me, how would you feel if I destroyed yours? I bet you would not like it. And yes, that is what quarantine means. "Flunked elementary school english class lol. Enjoy your miserable life mofo." Ha, says the person that enjoyed shutting down schools. But that is what quarantine means. Enjoy your miserable life mofo. Now go hide in your closet under your blanket with 4 masks. Ol' covid might get you.
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@sithwolf8017 you are the type of person who will break someone's legs and then give the crutches saying you helped them. You can call me miserable. At least I was not scared of a disease that almost all had a well over 99% chance of surviving from. And at least I gave people options. But go ahead and name call. You cannot even spell quarantine correctly, let alone know what it is. I guess you were in school when the lockdowns happened explaining your lack of education.
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@sithwolf8017 I graduated with a PhD in physical chemistry and an MBA chump. So you can call me a loser but I understand science. I also have access to peer reviewed papers and know how to read them. So I understand science well. My PhD studies was in ultrafast spectroscopy where we used ultrafast lasers to study dynamics of many molecular systems. So if you are trying to one up me, good luck. " Live your life as you will but don't cry when the consequences bite you in the ass." In which I don't. I just did two lacrosse games yesterday. My legs are sore. Not complaining, I will loosen up and have another one on Thursday. "It's funny. You claim that I know nothing of the people I "help" yet here you are claiming to know my life better than I do" I can tell by your comments. I am not the one telling others how to live life. I am not the one telling people to lock down at home even though they are healthy and have no symptoms. You are. "You want everyone to be as miserable as you " 100% false. I want people to live and enjoy life. I am giving them that option. You don't. As I said, if you are scared you stay home. I want to give you that option. We have it with grocery delivery and many jobs allow remote work and we have remote learning. I want people to have that option. Others, like me who want to get out of our homes and enjoy life I want that option as well. You just want to lock people up at home so they are miserable. "Make better choices for yourself and those you care about. Take up a hobby. Do something with your life instead of wallowing in whatever this is" Oh the irony. I do make great choices for myself. I go to they gym. Guess what, it was shut down during covid. I have hobbies. I am a lacrosse and football official. Guess what, those sports were shut down because of covid. So here you are telling me to take up a hobby when I am telling you the hobbies I take up were shut down because of people like you. Are you now starting to see the picture now? ". I'm working on finding new treatments for antibiotic resistant pathogens. What are you doing with your life?" Many things. Expand my role at my job as a scientist and become an NCAA official in lacrosse and football. But you know, I can't work on becoming an NCAA official in lacrosse and football when people like you shut it down. Are you seeing the picture now? People like you shut down my hobbies. You tell me to get a hobby while shutting it down. I doubt you will understand.
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@sithwolf8017 it will be interesting to see how you respond when you tell me to get a hobby when I have a hobby and people like you shut it down. Maybe that will shine a light on your why I feel the way I do. People like you literally stripped away the activities and hobbies I enjoyed doing. Activities that kept me healthy and motivated me to live life and get better. That included getting my PhD and MBA and work the job I do now as a scientist. So please tell me, after you hear that, how are your actions helping others when your exact actions ruined my life along with others?
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@sithwolf8017 to add on expanding my role as as scientist, I work in spectroscopy. I do IR, Raman, UV Vis and Raman. I work in interacting with customers in those techniques which requires a lot of studying on my part as how techniques can be use is broad. So you ask what I am doing with my life, along with my hobbies I am also expanding my role as a scientist. However, if you shut down my lab I cannot do that as well. Are you starting to see the picture now? I doubt it.
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@sithwolf8017 I feel this is the point where you run away or you twist yourself in a pretzel trying to defend yourself where you are in the wrong here. You are making it sound like I am some worthless person, based on your most recent comment where I showed you I am not. I am highly active and involved in my career, my hobbies and my community. That is why I opposed the covid restrictions. So have fun on your study of antibiotics. I am sure you can do it at home. You do that. Let others like me enjoy life.
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@sithwolf8017 "What would you suggest that should've been done with covid?" I told you, and this is something we should have done prior to covid. If you are scared you stay home. We should protect the vulnerable that want to be protected. I fully support that. As I said, I had a colleague in grad school where the university offered all TAs work at home to fulfill their TA contracts. They can do that. I support that. What I am saying is that the moment you step outside of your home you are taking a risk and people should not cater to you. It angered me when that colleague, when the mask mandate was dropped, demanded all her students wear masks. She had the option to work at home. Instead she wanted to teach lab but demanded people wear masks even though the mandate was dropped. She strong armed her students. My approach is that is that if you are scared, you stay home and we offer you work at home, grocery delivery, etc. Let others live life. We have the technology to do that. And as I said, we have the technology to do that. "Sure, 99% would be fine, but remember that's still 80 million dead or permanently injured if covid were to spread unchecked and not taking into account comorbidities of which hundreds if not billions have at least one. That number increases with repeat infections and when taking said comorbidities into account" And that is the same with any disease. That is the risk in life. When you have sex you know the risk of getting HIV or Herpes. What we do is tell people the risk of the disease that exist and give them options. To me one option is that they can hide and work at home. I 100% support that. For others, like me, I fully understand the risk so I take it. Just like I know the risk when I drive to work, I can get in an accident and die. I know the risk of working a football game, I can get hit and die. I know officials who have died on the field. Or in lab, there can be a nitrogen leak and I can die. I know the risks. I choose to deal with them. " Look, I'm trying to get you to see how a virus impacts the body from a microbiologist standpoint just as you've done to get me to see yours. Have you ever actually read any of the papers on covid and its mechanisms of pathogenesis?" I have read many papers. During lockdowns when I could not do my hobbies I did. I am telling you what you need to do is tell people the risk, give them options and go from there. Even before covid we should have always protected the vulnerable. Just like before covid we should have always washed our hands. What is funny is that prior to covid I was in grad school. I always had a bottle of hand sanitizer at my desk and used it often. I did so because I supported cleanliness. Just like during my undergrad years I worked at a restaurant and I always kept the grill area clean. Or back to grad school, I kept the area clean. This was all prior to covid. It should not have taken a "pandemic" to get people to keep their work area and hands clean. I was doing it before covid. But the bottom line is this. I support giving people the option to hide at home if they want to and protect the vulnerable that want to be protected. We have the resources. But for others that want to live life, let them. As I said, I know the risks I take the moment I step outside of my apartment door. I know the risk driving to work where I can get in an accident and can die. I know the risk at work with the XRay spectrometers and gas cylinders involved, or a nitrogen leak. I know the risk of the disease out there I can catch. Heck, I flew the other day to Ohio and drove in a rain storm last week and I knew the risk of that. What we do is tell people the risk and give them options. Going back to sports, when I played football my coach, every year played a video called "See What You Hit" where it discussed the dangers of the game how it can lead to even death. I still played. i was told the risk and played. Same with covid. I know the risk. There will never be a time in life where there will be zero risk in life. I feel you are wanting that when that will never exist. What I am saying is tell people the risk, give them options and go from there.
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@sithwolf8017 as I said, at some point the mitigation causes more damage. Going back to traffic deaths. We have traffic laws to alleviate deaths, however, it still happens. To make traffic deaths be zero we can cap vehicle speed to be 15 mph. But the damage of reduction in productivity will be worse. It is the same with covid. Yes, locking people in their homes can stop the spread, but the damage physically, psychologically, etc. will be worst. And that was my problem. I knew the risk associated with covid and people had options to stay home. So, you stay home, let me live life because to me taking on the risk of covid to live life and do my hobbies was worth it. Just like I can work at home today and avoid taking the risk of driving to work. However, I enjoy working in the lab more.
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@sithwolf8017 because masks are a mark of depression. Plus, they do not work and actually causes more harm. Breathing in your own breath constantly is not healthy. And I am not going to wear one while I run around. It also makes no sense. It made no sense working a football game when it came back to my state seeing kids hit each other and tackle but then be forced to distant themselves on the sideline. I was washing my hands and using hand sanitizer before covid.
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@sithwolf8017 That surgeon thing is a flawed comparison. They are in a highly controlled situation. A clean room, where they wash their hands, and use the mask once that they put on with clean hands. That compared to someone wearing an old ripped up shirt. Or someone wearing the same mask for weeks they grabbed off of the counter with their dirty hands while leaving home. So you can't compare the public wearing a mask to a surgeon. 1. Physically impossible to breath in our CO2? I am physically fit and I felt the difference working out with a mask on and without. I could breath much easier without it on. Because it is also not just breathing in your own CO2 but breathing in O2. Many football teams were making players wear a shield on their face mask. Not just an eye shield but over their mouth. I asked a player how they felt about it and he said they could not breath well. And funny how you went to an insult of me flunking gen chem when I taught it in grad school. 2. How is it stupid? Many people where constantly grapping their masks with dirty hands or using the same one for weeks, or even simply days (back to the surgeon comparison). What is your point on pneumonia? Also, a damaging point on masks was the image. Just walking around seeing people blindly wear masks. There were psychological effects of not seeing someone smile. Or just the depressing sight similar to some mark of shame placed on society. Also, why not make people wear hazmat suites? Why stop at masks? As for football, these are young, healthy men. How many players in sports from professional sports down to youth died with covid? Same with the staff, coaches, etc . Basically zero. You may find some, but in the large picture it is zero. In football these players are more likely to be harmed with concussion. Sticking with football, the NFL and NCAA preach player safety. Meanwhile, the NFL tells a team to play on Sunday and then play on short rest Thursday. Or teams in TX like Rice University practice in the evening as it is cooler but then the NCAA has them play at 11 AM in 100+ degree heat index. That just adds to how inconsistent this whole thing was.
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@sithwolf8017 but again, to add on masks, why stop there? Why not wear hazmat suites?
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@sithwolf8017 if you are fine wearing masks then do it. No one is stopping your. And as I said, why stop there? Wear a hazmat suit. 1. Uh, I did not flunk gen chem. You flunked basic science. A mask will restrict your ability to breath, period. Do this, run a mile. Then run a mile wearing a mask and tell me at which time it was harder to breath. To me it was clear, while wearing a mask. Same for those Division I football athletes. You want to go to insults, a preschool kids knows that any barrier will prevent air flow. But again, why stop at a mask? Why not wear a hazmat suit? How about you wear a hazmat suit if you are so scared? We are going back to the point of you wanting to force others to cater to you. You want others to wear a mask when you have options. They are 1. You hide at home 2. You go out in public wearing a hazmat suit Please, stop being an anti science fascist.
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@sithwolf8017 "Your a physics guy. Try explaining the physics behind a mask capable of breaking geometry and preschool shapes." Simple concept. You have a rain storm. You open your window completely. A bunch of water comes in. You put a screen up. Water still comes in but less of it does. Very simple. The screen does not stop all of the water but reduces the amount that comes in. Now with masks. No masks, you can breath easily. Put a mask on you can still breath, but it is much more difficult. Very simple physics. It seems you failed physics. No wonder you went to bio. As Ernest Rutherford said, all science is physics and stamp collecting. If you want to do insults, there you go.
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@sithwolf8017 and it appears you failed at stamp collecting as nothing showed that face diapers worked.
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@sithwolf8017 not a false equivalence. The screen is limiting the amount of rain coming it. Is rain still coming in? Yes. But not as much. Same as with mask. Is oxygen still coming in? Yes, but not as much. It seems to me you have zero experience in athletics or working out. As I said, I have experienced running around with a mask on and off. I breath much better with a mask off. On football game I was the backjudge on a 5 man crew. Lots of running. I took off my mask come the 2nd quarter because I said I cannot breath. I said to my crew chief to go ahead and write me up to the state. He did not as he knew how asinine the masks mandates were.....outside. But I could breath much better. Why? Because there was less resistance of oxygen getting in. Yes, I am a physics guy. I understand zero barriers means zero resistance. You want some advanced physics to this? Take super conductivity. Why are high field NMRs filled with very expensive liquid helium? To cool down a metalloid to be a super conductor to have a high magnetic field. Zero resistance. A mask creates resistance of air flow. I doubt you can do it, but run a mile with a mask on and then with a mask off. That is if you can even run a mile.
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@sithwolf8017 also, why are you ignoring my comments about wearing a hazmat suit? Is that too far for you and why?
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@sithwolf8017 some of the oxygen molecules.....wait for it......hit the mask. That is where the resistance come from. But now you are admitting they do not stop the virus as it creates no resistance there. So wearing them is pointless.
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@sithwolf8017 why not wear a hazmat suit? That creates more protection. You dismissing the hazmat suit proves my point. You do not care about the virus at all, you are just a fascist.
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@sithwolf8017 I will give you a macro and an quantum example. First, the macro. You have a 6 lane freeway. Cars are going down it with ease. Now you put up barriers that block off 5 of the lanes. Yes, cars can still go through that one lane, but now traffic is backed up. Why? Because they all have to funnel in one lane or hit a barrier. Same with oxygen with a mask. Sure, every oxygen molecule can make it through the holes. But some are going to hit the mask. Thus, less oxygen is going to get through.
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@sithwolf8017 ok, now a quantum example. Take XRF-WD instruments, they have what is called a goniometer. There light is diffracted via crystals and sent to a detector. Before it reaches a detector it is passed through a filter. In our systems there are 4 filters of different slit with. Wider slit widths allow more x-rays to pass through but lowers the resolutions. Smaller slit width allows less x-rays to pass through but increases the resolution. Point being, with smaller slit width x rays can pass through but.....wait for it......some are blocked. Gee, what a concept. Just like masks........wait for it.......block some oxygen particles. Gee, what a concept.
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@sithwolf8017 but here you are admitting masks do not block the virus. So now either stay at home and live in fear or wear a hazmat suit.
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@sithwolf8017 so basically what you are saying is that the basic physics I use everyday, such as filters, are meaningless. Well, I guess I better tell my engineering team that today. We better change all of our instrumentation. Better yet, I better start rewriting all the physics books out there.
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@sithwolf8017 so masks do not stop the virus. Thanks for admitting that. But they somehow do not resist oxygen flow? In our spectrometers we have this little thing called an aperture. Guess what it does? Limit the amount of light that go through. Some does pass through, but it limits it. Same as how masks limits how much oxygen passes through. It is really that simple.
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@sithwolf8017 and what strawman? Me bringing up the hazmat suit is proving a point that you have a stopping point. Same with traffic related deaths. Yes, we have traffic laws to prevent them, but they still happen. What will make traffic deaths be zero? Max all vehicle speeds to 15 mph. Why not do that? Same with you and masks. Why stop there? Why not wear hazmat suits? Why are masks are your stopping point? Why not go farther? To me I hate wearing masks because it is harder to breath with them and I hate the look and the psychological damage it does. What is your reasoning for stopping at masks and not going to hazmat suits?
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@sithwolf8017 also, how am I antivaxer? I have all my vaccines bud.
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@sithwolf8017 "You genuinely can't make it make sense as evidenced by your pathetic false equivalence fallacies and inability to grasp something a 5 year old can grasp. " Hmmmm, let is see. A 5 year old is cold outside in a windy day in the winter so they put on a sweater. Cold air still goes through but less of it does, so they are not as cold, if at all. Gee, what a concept.
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@sithwolf8017 so then why wear masks?
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Gyms and parks were shut down during covid. So Rogan is correct. What was also left open were liquor stores. We were told we cannot go to the gym because we can get covid. Or we cannot play tennis and basketball at the park because we could get covid. But we could go to the liquor store and drink away as that was essential.
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@squirrels666 after impeachment fail the question was what were the elites going to do to beat Trump. Global pandemic was a sick idea, but creative.
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@squirrels666 based on the inconsistent protocols that were pushed. How many who were pushing them did not follow them. Newsom told people to stay home but then went to dinner. In the NFC in 2022 you had many people in the suites not wearing masks including Newsom and Mayor Garcetti where kids still had to wear masks in schools. People were not allowed to attend church outside in their car, but a BLM protest was consider fine. Gyms were closed but liquor stores were allowed to remain open. Along with that you had the excuse of covid to change voting laws to increase mail in ballots, and the censorship. How democrats pushed the covid restrictions longer than republicans.
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@squirrels666 also, what could have Trump done differently to handle it better? He did a travel ban from China and was called a racist. Trump could have done a federal lockdown and federal mask mandate and you guys would have threw down your masks, gathered in large crowds in the streets and called him a fascist. The whole thing was a trap. But please tell me what could he have done differently.
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The whole point was to beat Trump,. Trump was a threat to the global elites, so they ganged up on him and created the pandemic. Many nations in Africa did not lock down and has a low death rate. Now every nation reports deaths differently, but African nations are not well known to have elites with a lot of power compared to nations in the western world. So Trump was not a threat to them.
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"how many people without any previous health problem died or had lasting sequels after getting Covid? " In the big picture, zero. You are welcome.
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That is not true. What Trump did was integrate it in other departments so improve communication.
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Trump did not do the shutdowns, governors did. Trump wanted them to end. You guys called Trump a fascist but if he did a federal lockdown and federal mask mandates you guys would throw down your masks and go dancing in the streets calling him a fascist. He did not. He did a travel ban from China and was called a racist. Also, Trump did not mandate the vaccine.
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@sithwolf8017 the small pox vaccine took more than weeks to developed and was tested for decades.
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@sithwolf8017 no, it was tested for decades. The eradication took decades.
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Same with politicians and bureaucrats. Fauci even admitted that the 6 feet distancing was not based on science.
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@jbibro not saying he is. Saying that so many were willing to listen to politicians and bureaucrats without question. Even a so called expert in "Fauci" who has never actually worked on a patient, people followed him even though he is a bureaucrat. Or when people were critical of ivermectin when Dr Gupta was calling it horse paste. Rogan challenged him on that saying his doctor prescribed it and it is safe for humans. Gupta doubled down later on CNN. So you have all of that.
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You really cannot compare covid numbers with other nations as nations reported them differently. In Africa many nations had no lockdowns and had low covid related deaths.
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@smkh2890 my point is that it is not valid. Every nation reported death differently. That is my point in Africa. It is the same in other stats such as economic stats or education stats and so on. For example, in N Korea they have a 100% literacy rate. Do you think that is valid? In the US the CDC admitted covid deaths were overstated.
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@smkh2890 here is the problem with "excess deaths". How many were they from covid vs the lockdowns? The covid restrictions led to a spike in diabetes and a spike in alcohol and drug use. On my end I was going to the gym constantly and had a hobby where I was highly active. That was stripped from me but the liquor store down the street was open. I drank heavily and went to detox twice. The second time I went to the ER and the EMTs in the ambulance said they were seeing more cases like me and covid was really nothing. So yeah, we can look at excess deaths. How many were because people were living less healthy lives?
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@smkh2890 there is a study that argued the covid restrictions led to excess deaths. As I said, in Africa many nations had no lockdowns and had low covid related deaths.
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@smkh2890 Australia is an island. They are isolated. So there is that. Australia also has a higher life expectancy compared to the US even before covid. So there is that. As with everything there are many variables.
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@alexobrien3890 many nations in Africa did not lock down. Sweden did not lock down and were fine. Florida opened up early and did fine.
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@alexobrien3890 FL has the 2nd oldest population in the US and is 8th in death per capita. If covid was really that dangerous they would be number 1 by a wide margin. They aren't. NY had strict lockdowns and is 11th in deaths per capita. MI had strict lockdowns and kept them going for over a year, going as far as saying you cannot be on your point in the lake or buy seeds. They are 5th in deaths per capita. Care to explain that?
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@qizhong "But what is your point behind that question - are you saying that the govt shut down gyms and parks but left open liquor stores because they were purposely trying to get people more unhealthy by forcing them to stop exercising? " In my opinion yes. I feel the whole thing was a scam to beat Trump in the end. To make our lives miserable. Look at how many democrats violated their own covid protocols. Newsom went to dinner. Beatlejuice got her hair done (to be fair she needs as much help as she can get). Democrats who did the lockdowns were sending their kids to private schools. You weren't allow to attend church, outside in your car, but a BLM protest was consider to be good.
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Yeah, because telling other people they cannot do the things they enjoy and made them healthy was not being reckless with other lives. I am a very active person and being active prevents me from drinking as I do have a drinking problem that runs in my family. I was told I can't go to the gym, can't teach my students in person, can't do my hobbies, that I had to stay home, but the liquor store was allowed to remain open. it destroyed my life and I had to go to detox twice. But man it was worth it as I did not get covid.
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it was the state government, mainly democrat governors. You guys called Trump a fascist, and still do. If Trump were to do a federal lockdown and federal mask mandate you guys would have thrown down your masks and rallied in the streets calling him a fascist. But when democrat governors told you to do that you guys obeyed.
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The rate of children dying was basically zero.
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Gyms and parks were closed.
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@kylesprague4723 if Trump did a federal lockdown and federal mask mandate you guys would have thrown down your masks and gather in the streets calling Trump a fascist.
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There is a valid point there. In science there is always many variables involved. You can't just pick one. A talking point on covid was that "x amount of people have died". There is more to it than that. For example, a UCSF repot from 2010 showed that 65% of new nursing home patients die in a year. Around 40% of covid related deaths were in assisted living homes. These are people of high risk to die to begin with. So we need to ask ourselves, was it worth it shutting down schools and businesses to save people who were at high risk of death to begin with?
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@ericdunayer6687 "Decisions were made based on the best available evidence at the time. In hindsight, they may now be viewed as wrong but, at the time, it seemed prudent. " The point is that there were no discussions being made. Sure, the initial lockdowns had valid reasons, but come May of 2020 it was clear that this virus was not that deadly to justify keeping them. We had the petri dish in the cruise ship. We had the numbers. We also know in education LRE is the best route where remote learning is not. Non of this was being discussed. It was just "follow the science" and people were censored. " Trying to halt the spread of the disease, especially to those who were most vulnerable, seemed especially prudent." And that is something we should have been doing to begin with. Protect the vulnerable that want to be protected. That is why we have assisted living facilities. However, there was also the argument that many in nursing homes rather die with covid as opposed to being alone. That situation has also been studied a lot in healthcare. Read the book "Being Mortal" on that topic. We can shield the vulnerable from disease, but at what cost? "It should also be noted that death is an easy statistic to use -- it is binary, i.e. you are dead or alive." It is more complicated than that. Someone in their 90s with many health issues dying with covid is not necessarily a covid death. Really, the covid deaths should be weighted. There is a table called the Actuarial Life Table where it gives the chances of dying in a year. If you are 90 years old that chance is 18%. We can start as something simple by taking someone who is 90 dying with covid in 2020 and weighing their death from 1 covid death to a 0.82 covid death, as there was an 18% chance of them dying in that time to begin with. We can expand as I pointed out with 65% of new nursing home patients dying in a year. What other health issues did they have and so on. So it isn't as simple as you are dead or alive. "But what about all those who have long Covid -- not dead but suffering." What was their health like to begin with? Were they healthy before and now suffering? Or were they obese? Again, you need other factors. That was the problem in all of this, there was no discussion.
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"sorry, who said the only thing you need to do is get the vaccine?" That is the point of the vaccine. You get the vaccine you are safe from the disease. "as for this totalitarian nonsnese, when you have a national emergency, you have temporary limits to your freedoms for the greater good" Yes, temporary. Come May of 2020 this should have been over. But many states stayed in lockdowns. That was the issue. Almost everyone agreed with the initial response, but come May of 2020 when it kept going that is why people became fed up and saw it as totalitarian. "More Americans died from covid than in WW2" Terrible comparison. The typical death of WW2 were men in their 20s. Those dying with covid were mainly the elderly with co morbidities. Around 40% were nursing home patients where a 2010 UCSF article stated that 65% of new nursing home patients die in a year. People dying with covid were at high risk to begin with. People dying in WW2 were young mean with decades of potential life.
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Here is the harsh reality, life is full of danger. If you are scared you can stay home. Many people like me would rather die with covid enjoying life as opposed to hiding in fear. You mention being selfish, I found it selfish that just because you were scared you had to force others to cater to you. Grocery stores have curb side pickup and delivery. I felt like my life was worthless to the democrats. I live a very active lifestyle. Alcoholism also runs in my family. When my life was stripped from me I was told I cannot do the activities I love, be involved in my community, go to the gym, go to work. However, the liquor store was open, so I drank heavily. I went to detox twice. No one cared. No one wanted to listen to me in how I was begging to get my life back. I was told to just shut up and wear a mask. People die all the time, that is life. You can live in fear. What is selfish is for you to tell others to bow down to you without considering my position. This is similar to one of my grad school colleagues. In Fall of 2020 as grad students we were given the option to work at home and still get paid. One of my colleagues wanted to work on campus but demanded people where a mask. That is selfish. If she was so scared she had the option to work at home, let others live their normal life.
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"We should have been protecting the lives of the most vulnerable regardless if covid would have affected us personally or not." Then you do that. You don't demand it from others. There were nursing home patients that were striking who said they rather die with covid as opposed to begin alone. You demanding things from me without consulting my point of view and lifestyle is selfish on you. Again, if you were scared you had options to hide.
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@jamie_lou and I feel bad for the deaths, but life is full of danger. Again, if you are scared you hide. I had a student with medical issues and an immune deficiency and they said they would rather be living life as opposed to having the covid restrictions. Same with nursing home patients saying they rather die with covid as opposed to being alone. People with attitudes like yours ruined people's lives and caused them to die as well. Again, alcoholism runs in my family. I was able to fight it by being active. I go to the gym, I am a sports official and I am active there. In grad school, and now I am a lab rat. My drinking problem came from being home alone and bored. It may sound pathetic to you but it is a real disease that I found a cure for. But that cure was stripped from me. I had to go to detox twice and the second time I had to go to the ER as my CIWA scored was very high. The EMTs in the ambulance said they were seeing more people like me in the hospital and that covid was not the issue. You say "Your right to flout pandemic guidelines shouldn’t supersede other people’s right to be alive." Which is ironic because you being scared of a virus that almost all had a well over 99% chance of surviving from should not supersede other people's right to live. Hiding in fear behind a face diaper is not living. The world is full of dangers. I could have died today leaving my apartment, driving to my lacrosse game, or during the lacrosse game I could get hit. You, your friends and family can all live in fear. Others will live life. To you someone dying from alcohol abuse during covid as opposed to dying with covid would have been a success. Your comment would have been "well, at least they did not give covid to little ol' me". That is sick on your part.
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@jamie_lou you can't compare this to serial killers. Serial killers are making the attempt to kill someone. When I walk about in life I am not trying to harm anyone, I am living life. However, I understand there is a risk in life the moment I leave the apartment. No different than someone dying in a traffic accident. When I am driving down the road and if someone hits my car in an accident and kills me, that person was not trying to kill me. It was an accident. I can personally avoid it by not driving and not getting in a vehicle on the road. But again, that would mean I cannot do that activities I love. You comparing this to serial killers is sick. You are basically saying I intended to harm people, I do not. You, however, do in stripping away my life. The moment I step outside of my apartment I expose myself to many dangers in life. I can get hit by a car. A rabid animal can attack me. If it is during a storm I can get struck by lightening. In a lacrosse game I player can run me over by accident. The list goes on. A part of that danger is that I can catch a disease. When I walked outside during the "pandemic" I was not trying to hurt anyone. I had no symptoms, I was trying to live life. And others who left their homes was doing the same thing all taking a risk. As I said, if you were scared you stay home. You stop being selfish and demand others to bow down to your demands.
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@sithwolf8017 in smallpox there was no force. It was the creator of the vaccine going out on his own to eradicate it. Also, that vaccine was tested and has been around for decades. You can't compare to what happened with covid. And yes, past quarantines are a violation against humanity. Fact is the world is full of danger. What you do is tell people what those dangers are and let them make their own decisions. I looked up covid. The cruise ship was the petri dish and to me it was not that dangerous. Again, if you are scared you stay home. You stop your holier than thou attitude where you felt wearing a face diaper was saving people's lives while ignoring other people's concerns. You are like the OP. If I would have died from alcohol abuse you would have said "well, at least he did not spread covid". All you cared about was the virus and yourself. It is an insult to the many lives you destroyed pushing the covid restrictions that did absolutely nothing. Again, if you were scared you stay home. Life isn't all about you, you, you. The moment you step outside your home you are taking a risk in life.
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@sithwolf8017 also, the ironic part here is that I am still alive. I took the risk of going outside during the "pandemic" and I lived. I am fine. I could have stayed home and lived in fear but did not. And if I would have died that would have been on me for not taking the so call measures you wanted me to take. I stepped outside and took the risk. Others who did as well were taking risks. They did not have to but did. You are criticizing me when I took the risk and could have died as well. So how am I selfish? What was insulting with what I did?
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@sithwolf8017 you are comparing diseases from the 1500s to now where medical technology did not exist in the 1500s. Fact is that covid was not that dangerous. We had the petri dish in the cruise ship. The numbers were clear, it was not that dangerous. And you are not the center of the universe. Again, if you were scared you hide at home. Others rather die with covid enjoying life as opposed to living in fear. The moment you step outside of your home you are taking a risk in life. You are not the center of the universe, you can't expect everyone to cater to you. The world does not revolve around you. I stepped outside of my apartment knowing I was taking a risk and I am fine. I also knew I could have got the virus and possibly die. Again, if you were scared you can stay home living in fear. Life is full of dangers, get a helmet.
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@sithwolf8017 and again, as I said, you were the type of person who did not care about my alcoholism and that the cure I had against it people like you stripped from me. You would have not cared one bit if I died from alcohol as long as I did not give you the sniffles. Why? Because you feel you are the center of the universe. As long as you don't feel some discomfort over the sniffles it was all justify to you.
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@sithwolf8017 I really think we need to quarantine you so you can't vote and spread misinformation and stupidity across the world. You freaked our over the sniffles and you are comparing covid to a disease in the 1500.
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@sithwolf8017 how am I selfish? I am the one that understands the risk of stepping outside of my apartment. I am not the one demanding people cater to me. You are. If you want to wear a mask then you can. If you want to social distance then you can. Also, you have options such as curb side pickup or delivery to your home. It is the same as my colleague in grad school when the university offered at home work that will fulfill her TA contract. I supported that. She could have done that work at home and do remote learning. Instead she felt the need to come on campus and demand everyone cater to her by wearing a mask. That is selfish. " I don't care about my well-being but about the well-being of others. " That is 100% false. Again, the covid restrictions stripped my life from me leading me to drink heavily. I had to go to detox twice. My cure for alcoholism was being active in life. You don't care about that. To you it is only covid. To me I support giving people options scared of covid to work at home, and have grocery delivery, etc. I support that. What I am saying is that the moment you step outside of your home all bets are off. You are taking a risk. When you step outside of your home people just don't bow down to you as if you are king. "And do you seriously think a parent would rather die with covid and leave their kids alone? " Funny you say that. I know parents who have made that exact comment. I know one parent who is a buddy of mine that told me that exact thing, they rather die with covid as opposed to living in fear. You are selfish. If you are scared you stay home. Let others live life.
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@sithwolf8017 again, if I would have died from alcoholism during covid you would have said "well, at least he did not give others the sniffles". You did not care about the damage done by the covid restrictions. Kids' education being ruined. Many businesses being shut down forever. The psychological damage. The increases in alcohol and drug abuse. To you it was just covid. I had the solution, if you are scared you stay home. We have the ability for people to do remote learning, work at home, get food delivered to them, etc. Let those people live in fear. Others, like me, will interact with society knowing the risk. There are risk far beyond covid. I can get in a car accident, get bitten by a rabid animal, get mugged by someone, catch some other disease besides covid, etc. That has been my entire life and yours. But you freaked out over covid and then decided to destroy other people's lives. You don't care about others. You are selfish. I am for giving people's a choice.
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@sithwolf8017 " Again more proof of your selfish mentality. Nobody is that suicidal." Nursing home patients were protesting saying they would rather die from covid as opposed to begin alone. There is a reason why when in many places the covid restrictions dropped people went out and had fun. When a judge in Wisconsin ended all covid restrictions the bars were immediately filled. There are several pictures of that. Same thing in my home state. When the covid restrictions were relaxed people are immediately fleeing to the bars to have fun. People would rather enjoy life as opposed to living in fear. Again, if you are so scared you stay home.
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@sithwolf8017 "When you've seen the shit I've seen then we'll talk. " Which is what? People having the sniffles? I went to detox twice. Both times the nurses there were commenting how they saw an increase in patients because of alcohol and drug abuse. Many people there would have rather enjoyed life as opposed to being told to live in fear. Again, all over the sniffles. What did you live through? I bet nothing. " When you've seen parents asking themselves where they went wrong and begging for some miracle while their kid takes their pitiful last breath after suffering for 3 months" Oh stop with the lies. The rate of death for kids was zero. " When you've seen a fit grown adult be reduced to living in a bubble for the rest of his life because he got measles" Stop with the BS and lies. We are talking about covid here, not the measles.
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@sithwolf8017 the fact you have changed this conversation from covid to the measles and polio shows how much of a hack you are. Again, if you are scared you hide. And as I told you, I support giving people options to hide, to work at home, to have delivery systems for them. You see, I give people options because I am not selfish. You are so selfish you are like "well I want to leave the home, but I demand everyone to cater to me because I am the center of the universe."
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@sithwolf8017 and yes, people die in the end. I can die tomorrow. I can die driving to work Monday. I guess I should demand everyone cater to me. In fact, I am going to call the local police and tell them that the roads better be 100% clear for me when I drive to work Monday as I am scared I would die in a car accident. I bet that is something you do.
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@sithwolf8017 unlike you I am not selfish. Again, if you are scared, you hide. And again, you have yet to address this, but I will ask, if I were to die from alcoholism during the lockdowns, how would you have felt? Be honest. By your comments I feel you would have been like "he did not infect me with covid so the lockdown was a success".
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@sithwolf8017 and yes, people die. That is life. I guess you can live a life of fear or enjoy life. Again, I can die tomorrow. But why worry about it? I am going to enjoy life.
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@sithwolf8017 I get it with people like you. I give options for those scared of covid. With you if I were to die of alcoholism you would not have cared. That is because you feel you are the center of the universe.
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@jamie_lou with kids dying the number was basically zero in the large scale. Kids die all the time, but the number is low. That is why we have never shut down in the past for them. If you look at those that died with covid and compare those in the ages of 0-17 to those over 85, there were 187 times more deaths in the ages of 85+ compared to those 0-17. That is huge. Listen, I feel bad for the kids that die, but that has always been the case. As to your points 1. It was a face diaper. If you want to wear one then fine, go for it. I know people who were one pre covid and had no problem. Just don't force me to wear one. That is where the problem lies. Also, many people were wearing cloths that did nothing as the whole thing was stupid. But again, if you want to wear one go ahead. I am not going to stop you. 2. Yes, you are scared. You can claim you are not scared but you are. But it goes beyond that. It is when you start forcing others to do it. That is the problem 3. No, people did not care about my alcoholism. I fought a lot to get back to normal so I can have my cure. I was told to just "shut up and wear a mask" or "stay at home". People did not want to listen to my concerns. But when it came to covid, a disease that almost all had a well over 99% chance of surviving from, man we needed to stop the world. You say I have no empathy, here is the issue. The moment you step outside of your front door you are taking a risk in life. As I said, I have no problem with people wearing a face diaper, it is when you force others to do it. I have no problem following some irrational health guidelines, it is when you force others to do it. The problem I have is you forcing others to cater to you. I never do that. I know people who had compromised immune systems that hated the covid restrictions, that wanted to live life. I, along with others, rather have died from covid enjoying life as opposed to living in fear. So again, it boils down to this. If you are scared then you hide. You wear a face diaper, you do all of that. What you do not do is force others to do it. What you do not do is lock people who who are not infected because of "contact tracing". What you do not do is shut down businesses and schools. Do you understand? I doubt it.
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@jamie_lou and you can say I have no empathy. Here is the reality, on kids. I have known kids who have died playing football. Should we ban that? Or should we accept the idea that kid wanted to play and was having fun doing so and there was a freak accident that killed them. Same with the virus. We can shelter a kid from it, but then what is their life worth? Or we can allow them to go to school, to the park and play. Tragedies happen. I can die today leaving my apartment, but I rather leave my apartment and enjoy life as opposed to living in fear. You say I have no empathy, you are the one that has no empathy. There were nursing home patients striking saying they rather die of covid as opposed to being alone when they were not allowed to see loved ones. Again, if you are scared you hide. And with my alcoholism, when I am at events I don't demand people don't drink. I am not pushing to ban alcohol. If someone wants to have a beer while being next to me then I am fine with that. I have learned to control it. I don't stand there and yell "don't drink, alcohol is bad". If they want to enjoy life and have a drink that is fine. I still go to bars, I just don't drink. I am not pushing to ban alcohol. You people are wanting to force other people to cater to you, that is the issue. Again, if you want to wear a face diaper then go ahead. I am not stopping you. Just don't force me to wear one.
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@jamie_lou and you can be done with this conversation, it is because you have zero empathy and you don't want to listen.
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@jamie_lou more kids die in traffic accidents than covid. So should we ban driving?
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@sithwolf8017 uh.....do you know how laws are created? They are not created off of governor's orders. You have a bill that is written. The legislation debates it and votes on it. It goes to the governor can pass it or veto it. And if passed, it goes to the courts to determine if it is constitutional or not. You live in a world of black and white, I don't. You do not even know how laws are created in this nation. "Kids die while playing sports? We invest in better equipment, train sport officials in first aid, have first aid equipment within immediate reach the second something happens, and even have a medical professional on site at the sporting event just in case with emergency services on speed dial in order to MITIGATE the risk of death or injury." And kids still die. Gee, what a concept. According to you we should just ban all sports. That is your stance based on your stance on covid. My stance on covid was that if you wanted to live in fear and stay home you can. Same with sports, if you were scared then don't play sports. Simple. But again, you do not know how laws are created in this nation. "See the problem is you have no clue what mitigation means hence your "whatever happens happens" attitude towards life." Uh, no, I 100% understand it. Again, with covid, I knew the risk of it existing. I choose to go out and live life. I fully supported the option of people staying home and living in fear. We have grocery delivery. We had remote learning. As I said with one of my grad student colleagues, the university gave her the option like everyone else to work at home to fulfill her TA contract and get paid. Instead she worked on campus and demanded people wear masks around her, even when the mask mandate was dropped. That is her being selfish. She had the option to stay home, do remote learning and work at home and not demand others cater to her. Your problem is that you want people to cater to you. Fun fact, the moment you step outside of your home you are interacting with society and are taking risk. Do you want everyone to pull over on the road so you can drive it on your own and not get in an accident? I bet you do. That is your stance. My stance is if you are scared, you stay home. When I drive to work tomorrow I know the risk of getting in an accident. I don't demand others cater to me. Just like with covid, I knew the risk of the virus existing. I did not demand people wear a face diaper, or quarantine even though they were healthy with no symptoms. I did not demand other things from people. And laws we have in place in society were put in place via an act of congress, and passed by the governor, and determined to be constitutional by the courts. A strict process.
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@sithwolf8017 " You genuinely can't accept people do things because they want to help people" And this is where you are wrong. The people you are trying to "help" you know nothing about. It was like the nursing home patients that were told they cannot have visitors. Many strike saying they would rather die with covid as opposed to being along. As with me, I would rather live life enjoying it and die with covid as opposed to living in fear. You are not helping me, you are harming me. Same with others like me. You have this mindset "I am helping others" while destroying my life and the lives of 10s of millions of other people. That is you. So go ahead, pretend you helped lives while destroying the lives of 10s of millions of people if if helps you sleep at night. You fascist.
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@sithwolf8017 " In fact it was YOU who projected their selfish behavior on to the world." How so? As I said, I am open to allowing people who are scared to stay home. Let others live life. You literally support destroying people's lives. "You are miserable therefore everyone has to be as miserable as you. That's not how reality works." No, that is you. You are fine with businesses being shut down for good. You are fine with kids' falling behind in education. Tell me, how does that help people? I doubt you will answer.
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@sithwolf8017 I doubt you will answer this question, but how does shutting down businesses and people's way of living help them? How does shutting down schools and ruining kids' education help them? I will wait for an answer I know I will not get.
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@sithwolf8017 "You genuinely can't accept people do things because they want to help people." Here is how I can help you. I lock you in a rubber room and simply have people feed you 3 square meals a day. As such you will be safe from all the dangers in life. How does that sound? I bet you won't like it, but that is literally what you support doing to others.
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@sithwolf8017 here is a topic that came up in one of my MBA courses that I doubt you will respond to as well. Traffic accidents result in around 40,000 deaths a year. You know what will make that zero? Banning driving. Why don't we do that? Now go ahead and name call me as that is all you have.
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@sithwolf8017 you are completely clueless. You say "mitigate" where I know what that means and support it. There comes a point where the mitigation causes more damage. But you will never understand that. Now go hide in your closet under your blanket with 4 masks on.
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@sithwolf8017 "For example quote me verbatim where I said I wanted to ban all sports" That is what you are leading to. I understand mitigation. I also understand that at some point it causes more damage. In my MBA studies we discussed traffic deaths. Around 40,000 die a year in traffic accidents. You know what will make that number to be zero? Capping all vehicle speeds to 15 mph. Yes, we have traffic laws to alleviate traffic deaths, but they still happen. So capping all vehicle speeds to 15 mph will make that zero. But then what will happen to our society, our economy? My commute time to work will be over 2 hours. Say goodbye to overnight delivery. There comes a point where the mitigation causes more damage, and that was my point on covid. Come May of 2020 it was 100% clear this virus was not that dangerous and we needed to get back to normal. That people's lives were being ruined from the covdi restrictions. Kids' education was ruined. The economy was ruined. Businesses were closed forever, etc. You had the psychological damage and the spike in alcohol and drug abuse. The mitigation was causing more damage. That is my point. I was all for protecting the vulnerable that wanted to be protected. I am all for allowing people who were scared to stay home. But most wanted to get back to normal because to them that was a better way of life. Same with the nursing home patients. Yes, we could have completely shielded them from the outside so they don't get covid, but is that a life worth living? Most wanted to see loved ones knowing it met they could catch covid. So no, you did not want to help people. You wanted to demand others live a life you felt was best and refused to listen to them. And yes, your approach was that of zero deaths. Similar to banning sports for kids or capping vehicle speed limits to 15 mph. You did not care about the negative consequences as long as it did not lead to deaths in certain cases. So to you, you did not care that quarantining people led to psychological issues, or led to businesses being shut down for good, or kids falling behind in education as long as it led to zero covid deaths. You ignore all other negative consequences and focused only on covid deaths that you wanted to be zero. As I said, I could have died from alcoholism and you would not have cared as long as it was not a covid death.
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@sithwolf8017 "People die no matter what so we should stop mitigating the damage and let every preventable death happen without taking any action to prevent it. " Nope, never said that. There is this thing called opportunity cost. I know definitions are difficult for you but it is the loss or potential gain from one alternative when another is chosen. Going back to traffic accidents and deaths. Yes, we can make traffic deaths to be zero by capping all vehicles to be 15 mph, but the cost would be an economy that is not good. And productivity that is not good. So us, as society, while having traffic laws to alleviate traffic deaths, accept some level of deaths to keep productivity up. Same with covid. Yes, we could all lock down at home and stop the spread. But as we have seen it led to a bad economy, a spike in alcohol and drug abuse, kids falling behind in education, bad psychological health, etc. Thus, it is better to go back to normal realizing the survival rate is well over 99% and the covid restrictions caused more damage. So yes, people will die with covid, but the alternative was way worse.
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@sithwolf8017 so how am I pathetic? Because I am willing to look at the whole picture and not just focus on one variable?
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What is sad is that people still take covid tests. I took two tests. The second one I saved and kept changing the date if I needed to submit one.
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1. So you think it is right to tell people to stay locked up at home and not go out and enjoy the activities they do? 2. It was authoritarian. We have just shown to the government that now we, the people, will bow down to them without question. So next time they want power over us they can use it. That is scary.
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@alexobrien3890 yes they did. I am a sports official, sports were canceled. Parks were closed in my state. So were gyms. "Did you really consider the temporary lock down of certain businesses and school for a GLOBAL PANDEMIC too much to ask of US" it was supposed to be temporary. I see the point during an emergency of doing a quick lockdown. But it should be set to last no longer than 30 days. In that timeframe you have discussions. You come up with a plan to open back up and get back to normal. Come 30 days you don't have it then it ends. But many states kept pushing it. ".as I said in another post businesses can recoup, education can recoup...DEAD PEOPLE don't recoup" Not really.. Many people lost their business. Many kids are behind in education. it is not that simple. Now you have people whose lives were ruined. What is the point of living then? Life is full of dangers. If you are scared you can stay home. That is what this came down to. Come May of 2020 I looked at the risk and felt covid was not that dangerous and said I would rather die with covid and enjoying what I am doing as opposed to hiding in fear.
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Hospitals are always running at near capacity. In 2017 a city in California had to put up tents to be temporary ICUs because they were overran because of the flu that year. A CEO of a hospital in TX said that they are always running at over 90% and if needed they can open up new ICUs. This is why so many hospitals were able to open up ICUs so quickly, they had experience in the past. We just never talked about it. And people always die. Many people, like me, would rather live life and enjoy it dying with covid as opposed to living in fear. Same as many in nursing homes were protesting saying they would rather see loved ones as opposed to being alone. And come May of 2020 we knew how serious it was. We had the petri dish in the cruise ship. It was not that dangerous.
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@mikecantreed hospitals are near capacity because of money. That is the drawback of a for profit healthcare system we have in the US. We also have other issues such as a high obesity rate. You also have the issue of staffing and the pure complexity of healthcare to begin with. Healthcare is a challenging topic as it is always changing, the people involved have to be highly skilled (which we lack those with skills), it is personal, expensive, etc. Covid was not the straw that broke the camel's back when it comes to healthcare. We have always had issues. We just never focused on it in this way. "Also Covid 19 was the deadliest pandemic of the last 100 years. Millions of people died globally." That is not true. There is a big difference of dying with covid vs from covid. Looking at the cruise ship data. There were over 3000 people on there. Over 300 were known to be infected via tests. That does not rule out those that were infected and recovered and thus gave a negative result. Of those 9 died, all over the age of 70. So those that were at high risk to begin with. If it was that deadly then almost all of those 3000 would have tested positive and a good portion, over 5% at least, would have died. And it would have spanned a wide range of ages, not just those over 70.
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@mikecantreed and yes, my personal risk tolerance matters. It came to a point if you were scared, you stay home. There are many dangers in life. The lockdowns stripped my life from me and caused more damage than covid ever could have done. Come May of 2020 it should have been if you were scared you stay home. Let others live life. Covid is not the only danger out there. I have a higher chance dying in a traffic accident today, should I not drive to work today?
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@mikecantreed what? What are you saying?
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"When did anyone say "all you need is the vaccine"." Fauci said that the vaccine would basically eliminate the virus. Also, what is the point of the vaccine if it does not protect us from the disease? I have vaccinations for other diseases and have never caught them. That is the point of a vaccine. Also for social distancing, Fauci admitted that was not based on science but was just created on a whim.
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