Comments by "" (@1987BillyBob) on "Republican claims Biden insurrection, IMPLODES on live TV" video.

Democrats did it with Trump.
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@DoctorBiobrain where does it say in the Constitution you even need evidence? It’s ridiculous how confidently you people invent rules.
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@DoctorBiobrain "Where did I say the Constitution requires evidence? Did you not watch the video? Different states have different laws." Every state has to follow the Constitution. You talk about CO when there was on due process. In ME it is going to the court, the secretary of state cannot do it themselves. So there you are showing you do not even know what is going on. You say "Where does it say a candidate needs to be charged or convicted of insurrection to be exempted from ballots?" To me it is section 1 of the 14th amendment. You need to have due process. A rogue judge making a claim with no due process has no legal standing. "Whether or not you think Trump should have been kicked off the ballot, we all know what he’s accused of." Being accused is not being being charged and not being guilty. "But are you now admitting that your original statement was meaningless since Trump doesn’t need to be charged with insurrection to be removed?" No, I am going off of your standard. The actual standard is that there has to be due process. With no due process you get rogue judges just removing people off of ballots just because they don't like them. That is how fascist nations are created. That is how Persia became Iran. If Trump engaged in an insurrection then charge him, give him due process. If he did he would be found guilty.
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@DoctorBiobrain no, in due process you have a jury of your peers. You have a plea offer. You have jury selection. You have both sides presenting and reviewing the evidence before hand. You have witnesses called and both sides asking questions. None of that was done in Colorado. "And government officials routinely enforce laws without trials" Minor laws such as speeding in which you still have to go to court at times. But in such laws like that you are not given even a misdemeanor. You are not giving a criminal record that can harm you later on in life. " Or maybe they’ll say a conviction is necessary in both cases even though that’s not in the Constitution" Sigh......again, section 1 of the 14th amendment. You need due process. You can't just let states go rogue on who they can choose to put on their ballots or not without due process. Without due process is unequal treatment of the law. Nowhere does it say you need evidence. So a state like Missouri can just remove Biden without evidence. That is your standard. To me, I do not want that chaos. I want justice and that is via due process. "But in no case can the Missouri guy throw Biden off the ballot because his state doesn’t allow it and he’s so dumb he didn’t know that?" Well same in ME but you claimed they could. And if you read the opinions of the CO supreme court, they wrote it on the idea that the US supreme court was going to take it anyways and either leave it up to them, or if they let it expire then Trump is back on the ballot. In the end, let the US supreme court to decide. Even they are admitting they do not know what is going on as this is uncharted waters. Should we let 50 states just go rogue here? My answer is no and I feel the US supreme court will say the same. In that you need a conviction in this case. Or Congress needs to decide. That he can be on the ballot and if he wins Congress can remove him as is listed in section 5. "Just like how you said Biden should be impeached for the border, but didn’t say what crime he committed. And that’s because he didn’t do anything wrong." Nowhere in the Constitution does it say a crime have to be committed. Congress can impeach someone because they feel they are simply doing a bad job. Just like Congress can override a veto.
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@DoctorBiobrain "Colorado and Maine aren’t taking Trump’s life, liberty, or property;" They are depriving him of liberty, the liberty to run on the ballot in the presidential primaries. He did not break any law, mainly Colorado or Maine law. If he broken a federal law he would be tried in a federal court which he has not. So yes, they are depriving him of liberty and they are not treating him equal in accordance to the law. ". And that’s the same as if a noncitizen tried to run for president and was denied." That is different. Being a citizen or not is an absolute. Same with age. Whether or not someone broke a law requires due process and is not a clear in many ways. "You just made up the part that they require a jury trial to remove him from the ballot. Convicting him of insurrection requires due process, not this. " Not true. On what legal grounds do they have to remove him from the ballot? What laws did he break, was charged with and found guilty of? Nothing. Especially Colorado law. If he committed an insurrection on the federal government that would be a federal situation and require a federal trial, something Colorado has no jurisdiction over. Thus, Colorado had no case here which is why there was no charge, not plea deal, no jury selection, etc. So he did not break any Colorado law, thus the courts of Colorado have no say in this. "I mean, I remember when they invented a new rule so Bush could win in 2000 and said it was just a one-time rule that wouldn’t apply again. " What new rules did they invent? Also, in the 2000 election Gore acted the same way Trump did as well in the 2020 election. They gave him his recount where it went to Bush. The election went on long enough. "You say we can’t have fifty states with their own laws, but that’s the system we have. You can thank the Founding Fathers for that. As a liberal in Texas, I’d love to have laws that protected our right to vote better but our system allows each state to make their own election laws. And in this case, Maine and Missouri have different laws. " I support state rights, but every state has to follow the Constitution. A big part of that is due process. Trump did not break any law in CO and ME and thus they have no charges on him nor any case on him. Therefore they can't just make a claim on him and deny him equal protection under the law. I feel that is going to be one thing ruling in Trump's favor. In that the CO judge gave an opinion that has no legal standing because it was not CO law they were discussing but a federal issue. "But the Constitution does say impeachment requires high crimes and misdemeanors. But you guys now think that means anything a Democrat does that you don’t like, which can be practically anything" But you don't need to be convicted of a crime. It is the House votes on it, and then 2/3 of the Senate confirms for removal. " Trump got impeached twice for crimes" What crimes? What was he convicted of? Nothing. So this comes back to you can say Biden committed a crime and that is all you need. Democrats said Trump committed crimes even though he was never found guilty of any but still impeached him. ". It’s so weird that people want this" Many people on the right don't. A big reason why so many voted for Trump was because they were sick of this game of political division. You impeach my guy, I will impeach yours, and back and forth. I hate that, I really do. But to me the political left has gone insane. For years with the left I have heard them say they are for the people. But here you go, you have Trump, who did not criticize Clinton or Biden supporters. He criticized Clinton and Biden and the liberal elites. Meanwhile, you have Clinton calling Trump voters a group of deplorables and Biden calling Trump voters a threat to democracy. Clinton and Biden attack the people creating division. Trump attacks the elites, mainly the liberal elites. But you are so stuck on team politics you call Trump a "criminal lunatic". This is what completely blows my mind in all of this. In the most recent elections you have Obama: Telling successful people, even small business owners that they did not build it Romney: Saying 47% of Americans do not pay federal taxes so he does not have to worry about them Clinton: Clinton calling Trump voters group of deplorables Biden: Calling Trump voters a threat to democracy Those are hard working Americans going about their lives being attacked by presidential candidates and presidents. Trump does not criticize the people. He does not criticize you if you voted for Biden or Clinton. He goes after Biden. He goes after the liberal elites. But not the people. Tell me, how can you not see that?
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If Trump becomes president again the liberal elites will claim our nation is in trouble. And their fans will riot. Basically people like Pakman will say that the nation is in trouble, get his fans all railed up, and his fans will riot while Pakman sits back and watches.
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It was not a trial. No plea deal. No jury selection. No exchange and review of evidence. No witnesses called. No questioning of witnesses. There was no due process. That is why Trump has not been convicted of anything. If you read the CO supreme court opinions they wrote it with a lot of questions knowing it will get appealed to the Supreme Court and either they make a decision or let it expire which will allow Trump to stay on the ballot. Basically, the CO supreme court did the best they can to make a decision but ultimately let the US supreme court decide. And if they can't Trump is back on the ballot.
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It is not crazy. President order a "hitjob" on foreign enemies often. And yes, if you have the majority in the house it is good as the only entity that can remove a president is Congress. If a president did wrong doing Congress can remove them. That is the standard.
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That is not true for several reasons. One, in question if Trump engaged in an insurrection or not is at the federal level, not the state. If he were to be charged (he hasn't) it would be a federal charge as it was the federal government. Thus, the states can't just take up the case. That is why there has been no formal charge nor actual trial. The judge's opinion is based on feelings and not actual legal standard. That is why the district judge did not remove him from the ballot. The CO supreme court questioned a lot of things as well. If you read the opinion it is full of questions will ultimately they had to make a decision but knew it was going to go to the US supreme court. The standard set was that the US supreme court either makes a decision or let it expire if they take up the case. They did. If they let it expired then Trump stays on the ballot as the US supreme court did not make a decision on a federal issue. A state can't decide if someone committed a federal insurrection. That is on the federal courts.
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@BB-rh2ml where in the 14th amendment does it say you need evidence? That is what the OP is alluring to. If you can just say Trump engaged in an insurrection without any standard, why not do it on Biden? By your standard all we have to do is make the claim Biden engaged in an insurrection and boom, he is off the ballot.
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@lonewolf2123 they found with no due process, so it has no legal standing.
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@lonewolf2123 no plea deal, no jury selection, no evidence exchanged to review by both parties, no witnesses called to be questioned by both parts. There was no due process.
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@lonewolf2123 read the opinion from the CO Supreme Court. The opinion is full of questions where they knew it was going to go to the US Supreme Court. Thus, either they decide, or if they let it expire Trump will be back on the ballot. Basically, the CO supreme court wrote the opinion making it seem like they are making a decision but also resolving themselves of it knowing the US supreme court will take it up either saying yay or nay or sitting on it and Trump goes back on the ballot.
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What insurrection?
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@waltermcgarvin8001 He told them to go peacefully. So get your facts straight. There is no evidence he requested to get the metal detectors removed.. He was also standing behind protective glass. If he was so sure the people in the rally would not come armed, why did he stand behind protective glass? Those people were not armed. I know what you will say, "oh they had bats and pepper spray". For years I have heard our guns can never take on the government as they have tanks and canons. So people with no guns apparently were a threat to the government? As for the gallows, is was not functioning. No trap door. There is a picture of a woman around 5 feet tall standing on it and it would not even hang her. And if they were to overtake the Capitol somehow, what was their plan? They had no plan. No access to food and supply. What were they going to do? Sit there until they starved? So again, what insurrection?
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This nation was developed via bloodshed called the Revolutionary war, you do know that?
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There has been no charges on Trump, thus he has not been convicted of anything.
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That is the legal argument people are making on Trump.
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You don't have to say where or when. You just have to say he did.
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According to the left you don't need evidence to remove someone from ballot because section 3 of the 14th does not mention the world "evidence". All you have to say is that he engaged in an insurrection. That is what the 14th amendment section 3 says according to the left.
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Yes. This leads to the fact that, to a degree, an insurrection is justified. There was a poll that stated that 80% said violence is never the answer. The reality is violence should always be an answer, it just should not be the first choice. It should really be the last choice. The question becomes at what point do we stop remaining civil. This does not support what happen Jan 6th (it was not an insurrection). But to label all insurrections as bad is the wrong train of thought. If the people of Iran were to overtake their government and go back to more of what they had during the years of Persia, would that be bad?
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