Comments by "Hobbs" (@hobbso8508) on "The 'coolest' dictator?" video.

  1. He suspended the Constitution and marched the military into the legislature.
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  2. He marched the military into the legislature and suspended the constitution.
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  3.  @MrFreeman0179  While the US prison system definitely has faults, El Salvador is substantially worse right now. Also unny you swallow the "Nazis in Ukraine" BS hook, line and sinker.
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  4. And the last time that happened the new leader refused to give up his power. We've all watched Batman.
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  5.  @MrFreeman0179  The Azov Batalion was a few dozen Nazis who became an official part of the Ukrainian armed forces and were expanded with thousands of non-Nazi members.
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  6.  @MrFreeman0179  WW2 Nazi collaboration against Russia doesn't make someone a Nazi. Finland sided with Nazis too. Russia had controlled their nation for generations.
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  7.  @MrFreeman0179  I would argue that imprisoning innocent people and subverting the constitutional protections of the people IS a crime.
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  8.  @MrFreeman0179  Whataboutism doesn't change the point. Try addressing the argument.
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  9. And the innocent people being jailed?
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  10.  @allicientisglobal7678  El Salvadore already released 7,000 innocent people. This is why due process is so important.
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  11.  @allicientisglobal7678  Not really, since many were held upwards of a year, human rights organisations have estimated there are still well over 10,000 still wrongfully held, and the recent shift to mass trials and convictions will likely result in many innocent people being imprisoned alongside real criminals. Interviews with some of those 7,000 released reveal many view the actual numbers of innocent people as even higher than estimated by human rights groups.
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  12.  @allicientisglobal7678  Not really, since estimates put the number still imprisoned at more than double those released.
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  13. And the innocent people caught up in these arrests, forced to live locked up wit gang members for months on end, or even upwards of a year? What about the people caught up in the new mass trial process, where innocents can be tried with gang members? People are quick to look for a easy solution, but tend to miss the longterm consequences.
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  14.  @be12  The government already released over 6,000 people wrongfully arrested and held, some upwards of a year. The total number of innocent people held could be far far higher.
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  15.  @be12  The government already released thousands of people 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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  16.  @be12  Eventually, some of them do. The total number of innocent people caught up in all of this is however unknown.
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  17.  @augcaes  1. I don't have to. Pointing out that the current "solution" has never gone well does not require some alternative. 2. I could go over some deep solution to explain how to correct the issues at hand, but since I don't need to I won't.
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  18.  @augcaes  Pointing out human rights issues doesn't require some grant solution.
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  19.  @augcaes  I'm not sure "stop complaining" is an appropriate reaponse to pointing out human rights violations.
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  20.  @augcaes  Give it a few years. This will turn out the same way it always does.
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  21.  @augcaes  We don't stop murders by locking up innocent people without trial for upwards of a year. This "final solution" has a long history of issues associated with it.
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  22.  @augcaes  This is incorrect. Homicides have been dropping there since 2015, and continued drops were part of previous trends. The previous government made deals with the gangs long before Bukele. And no, that does not disprove my statement. Seriously, read any dystopian novel about safety at the price of freedom. And no, SOME innocent people were let go. Many more are thought to be wrapped up in this.
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  23.  @augcaes  If you look at the actual numbers the homicides from 2022 to 2023 dropped by about 300. Most of them were also gang members. Using that to justify the 20,000 estimated falsely imprisoned is a big much.
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  24.  @augcaes  The current gang imprisonment program didn't start until 2022. The homicide rate had dropped every year before then since 2015. So yes, I do think the drop was at least 80% due to the previous government's policies of negotiating with organised crime. As for the 20,000 number, that's quoted directly from human rights organisation, Humanitarian Legal Aid.
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  25.  @augcaes  If you want I can be more exact. In 2015 the homicide rate was 103. In 2021, the year before the crackdown, it was 17.6. In 2023 it was 2.3. Of the drop from 103 to 2.3, a reduction of 100.7, 85.4 was before the crackdown. 85.4/100.7 is 84.8%, so about 85%. I love that you trust a government that is actively suspending human rights and threatening their own government over human rights groups. That always goes well.
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  26.  @augcaes  That's incorrect. Bukele switched gears from dealing with gangs to mass arrests in March 2022. You're describing literally every scientist on the planet now so.... They fill their pockets by making a difference and convincing donors of the difference they are making, not by lying.
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  27.  @augcaes  No it didn't. The plan changed in 2022 when Bukele declared a state of emergency. My point is that their claims need to be reliable to receive funding. They can't just make things up. Further claims that Bukele is paying off gang leaders, incarcerated gang members are treated well while ordinary citizens are beaten and general acceptance that the stats this government are putting out are even accurate casts a lot of doubt on the current plans. Add to that the state run media and blatant lies by the current government about the opposition parties, growing poverty and extreme poverty, dramatic reductions in global investments and the current move to bitcoin that could crash the economy overnights, it's not looking good. And that's without even mentioning the democratic issues the country is soon to face.
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  28.  @augcaes  No it didn't. The plan changed in 2022 when Bukele declared a state of emergency. My point is that their claims need to be reliable to receive funding. They can't just make things up. Further claims that Bukele is paying off gang leaders, incarcerated gang members are treated well while ordinary citizens are beaten and general acceptance that the stats this government are putting out are even accurate casts a lot of doubt on the current plans. Add to that the state run media and blatant lies by the current government about the opposition parties, growing poverty and extreme poverty, dramatic reductions in global investments and the current move to bitcoin that could crash the economy overnights, it's not looking good. And that's without even mentioning the democratic issues the country is soon to face.
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  29.  @augcaes  State of emergency was 2022. Previously he was following the plan laid before him by the previous government.
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  30.  @augcaes  The point is that their claims have to have value or people lose trust. Without accuracy they lose credibility. Being such a large organisation they have good accuracy and are well trusted as a result.
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  31.  @augcaes  Released innocent people have been released and given interviews claiming that as many as 7 in every 8 inmates are not in gangs. The idea that everyone left is guilty, given we already know 10% were innocent, is a joke.
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  32.  @augcaes  What's sad is that the current administration is going to cause some big issues in the near future. The move the crypto, the suspension of the constitution, the allowance of the president to run for another term despite it being explicitly forbidden, the claims of gangs being paid off, and even the idea that the statistics the government presents are even trustworthy. It's going to be a hell of a decade for them.
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  33. Suspending rights and locking up innocent people for over year, then introducing a system of mass convictions meaning many innocent people may be grouped with real criminals and will be convicts in the process.
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  34.  @MrFreeman0179  What percentage is that? Is it 25 percent?
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  35.  @MrFreeman0179  Your response is pure whataboutism. Stop supporting authoritarianism.
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  36.  @MrFreeman0179  All this whataboutism just to excuse a rising authoritarian threat.
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  37.  @MrFreeman0179  All the whataboutism in the world won't protect the people of El Salvadore.
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  38.  @MrFreeman0179  What's sad is none of this makes El Salvador any less authoritarian.
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  39.  @MrFreeman0179  As I already answered, crime is actually up as the state continues to subvert the constitution and commit crimes against the people. Not sure you understand what whataboutism is either.
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  40.  @MrFreeman0179  Because your points are irrelevant. By your logic your own argument is worthless. What's funny is you think the false imprisonment of tens of thousands in a country of less than 10 million is the speck.
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  41. He already pretty much did this and got the constitution changed so he can run again. He's probably in for life now.
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