Comments by "Hobbs" (@hobbso8508) on "US prepares for potential rollout of COVID-19 vaccines for kids l GMA" video.
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@MTMILITIAMAN7.62
"COVID has a mortality rate of .003% or less for children 19 years and younger"
CDC numbers are actually for 0-17 year olds, not sure where you got 19 from but okay. your numbers also don't account for the increased risk from Delta, and children left permanently injured. This also doesn't say much for the spread and mutation of the virus, which is the primary reason for the vax.
"The CDC even admits, COVID accounts for only .2% of deaths in children"
It's actually 0.85%. 499 deaths out of 58,167 total. We also DO mandate flotation devices all over the place, as well as fencing and locks.
" .04% or less for Americans aged 39 or younger."
Actually it's 0.1%, although expecting accurate results from you is a joke. Again, this doesn't account for spread, variant mutations or permanent damage.
this is also sad as you seem to think anyone over 40 deserves what's coming to them. Also, for the average to be 1.6%, and the majority to be around 0.1%, that's a VERY high mortality rate for people over 40.
"There are treatments available, but they have not been used much inside the United States"
Actually they have. the MATH+ protocol exists for a reason. It works.
"So they suppress access to Ivermectin and call it horse medicine, even though it is the preferred treatment for politicians and celebrities, has been wildly effective treating COVID in Japan and India"
It was trialed all over the world, and India literally stopped using it because it doesn't work. Oh, and I know people who actually took horse dewormer, so just stop.
"so they can push their new miracle drug with Ivermectin as its primary ingredient for $700 a pill."
No it doesn't. It's a completely different anti-viral. You can actually find the chemical formula of both drugs and see the differences.
"If a) then you can get vaxed and cease your concern over the vaxination status of others, because their private health decisions no longer affect you."
Incorrect, for several reasons.
1. While the vaxes are very effective against the original wild type of the virus, they have reduced effectiveness, in both efficacy and survivability, against the delta variant. They do however reduce the spread and make living decidedly more likely.
2. When reducing the spread it's important that large segments of the population take action to stop the formation of new variants.
3. Many people are too immunocompromised to get jabbed, and rely of herd immunity for protection.
4. Your conspiracy nonsense can convince people that they are fine without, putting their lives in danger.
"And science doesn't censor dissenting opinion."
Never said it did. I said they censor lies, which they do all the time. Try getting published on a lie.
"Marxist group think demands conformity without question."
Define marxism. You also fit your own definition exceedingly well.
"Science is a method of learning through testing and observation. Science must be falsifiable to be valid, and real scientists are skeptics who invite discourse."
Like how dozens of countries tried out Ivermectin and stopped using it as a result. You also missed out repeatable.
"Dissenting data is never censored in real science because science is about data."
Again, but lies are censored.
"Real science is not afraid of competing data and invites competing view points."
Like? Oh that's right, your nonsense.
"If you ask a question and are told to shut up and fall in line, that isn't science."
"Just asking questions." Either do the actual research or shut up. Arguing with people who have decades of experience without actually presenting anything factual is not science either, it's a joke. you're a joke.
"If you provide data and it is censored as "misinformation," and you're called a "science denier," that isn't science, and you're not talking to a real scientist."
Unless of course it's fake data that shows you are providing misinformation. Like people claiming that Ivermectin helps or that the vaxes don't. that kind of misinformation.
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@MTMILITIAMAN7.62
"I already told you where I got those numbers; from the American Council on Science and Health. I also get information from Statista"
Both get them from the CDC. The CDC are the only ones who have that data.
"The CDC receives funding from it's non-profit, the CDC Foundation"
And? The vast VAST majority of their funds are from the government. And even that it's irrelevant as the data speaks for itself.
"You still attempted to refute information I got from the CDC, which makes me wonder where you get your numbers"
I got mine from the CDC, yours are just out of date and according to you NOT from the CDC..
"Like I said, the ACSH has studied this and concluded the maximum average mortality rate of COVID among those 39 years and younger in the United States is .04%."
Wrong. Go back and look at recent numbers.
" So when we see that half of the population has a survival rate of 99.96% or greater, and the youngest half of the US population is responsible for only 2% of published COVID fatalities, it shows how foolish it is mandating an experimental vaccine to the entire population."
Nope. As I said before, herd immunity is necessary to end the pandemic. You won't get that if half the population are not vaxed.
"Japan called Ivermectin a "miracle drug" for its effectiveness against COVID."
No. they called it a wonder-drug in 2011. As of a month ago it was still not approved as a covid treatment. Nowhere is it being used on a government scale.
"India's Uttar Pradesh State announced they were COVID free after implementing a treatment program based on Ivermectin."
Which also contained many other things, and currently the ivermectin has been taken out of that program.
"Natural immunity is not forming new variants. New variants of COVID are formed specifically by vaccinations"
No, they aren't. Variants are formed by mutations, which happen in people who catch covid. They are naturally selected for by things like immunity.
"which is why we keep getting new variants despite the increasing prevalence of vaccinations."
No, that's not why. Delta for example is from India, who at the time were very low on the vax rate, and still are pretty far down.
"My "conspiracy nonsense""
What about it? Is it still nonsense? Yes. Do you understand that? No? Is it depressing to see a human mind wasted like this? Yes.
"I've provided more sourced data than you have."
Try an up to date source. I've used the same sources, but not months in the past. Delta works differently.
"Maybe you can explain why Israel, one of the most vaccinated countries, experiences a massive spike in COVID cases?"
I can actually. Maybe you can tell me why this densely populated area who had a big spike are doing far better than the less densely populated, less vaxed Florida? For example, Florida had over 10K covid deaths in September. Israel hasn't had that many over the entire pandemic, and only had around 600 in September. So even accounting for population size, why did Israel do about 8 times better than their less-vaxed counterparts in Florida?
"O yeah, it is because the effectiveness of the vaccine wanes over time as well, and leaves the body immune compromised in the process."
You have that backwards. It wanes in the immunocompromised, which is also true for natural immunity.
"And maybe you can explain why these same politicians and celebrities are exempt from vaccine and mask mandates?"
The mandates are executive, meaning they cannot have any impact on Congress. Congress would need to pass their own legislation. Many celebrities are indeed masking, and are even in favour of the masking rules.
"Or why tens of thousands of educated nurses and doctors are willing to get fired to avoid being vaccinated?"
Mostly nurses, and at the end of the day your type of dangerous conspiracy nonsense can effect anyone. That's why your rhetoric is so dangerous and is getting people killed. The truth is that your claim of "tens of thousands" amounts to less than 1% of the total qualified medical professionals, and is by and large the least qualified.
"Or why hospitals are willing to fire tens of thousands of skilled employees in the middle of a pandemic?"
Why would you want someone unvaxed working in an ICU for instance? that's just dangerous and hospitals agree.
"You can get published on a lie, Just look at Michael Mann's "hockey stick" graph."
The graph that was a speculation based on preliminary data, and was put forth as such, and has since been heavily supported by the last 20 years of data? Weird you would point to something that was never a lie and is now more supported than ever, but you do you.
"Science won't censor you if you lie. It will use data to expose your lie."
Or show your methodology is a joke, or point out inconsistencies, or anything else they look for pre-publication.
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@MTMILITIAMAN7.62
"ACSH may receive some data from CDC, but not all of it, or even most of it. CDC is not the only ones to have this data"
They literally are. All the data from all the respective regions passes through them.
"he CDC does receive most of its funding from the government, from the same politicians whom also have stock in the pharmaceutical companies and are making billions of dollars selling a product, and are thus overtly biased."
Any evidence of bias other than your obvious confirmation bias? No? Didn't think so.
"I've studied the most recent numbers I can find from non-biased sources, which again, does not include the CDC."
Which is why they are out of date, as they all get their data from the CDC, and the CDC is up to date.
"Herd immunity is actually best achieved without vaccination, as even Pzifer's own scientists acknowledged stating that natural antibodies are far superior to vaccinated antibodies."
1. As long as your survive.
2. Until your natural antibodies no longer work because they don't have the correct antibody for the new variant.
"Sure, I can explain FL. The United States is over 30% obese"
That's lower than the US average. Israel is also 23%, so not exactly a massive void in the numbers.
"has some of the worst heart health and highest rates of diabetes in the entire world"
Now you're just describing America, as Florida is joint 17th for worst diabetes and actually 31st for heart disease, making them above average in heart health.
"All of these factors matter more to susceptibility to COVID than vaccination status."
Not according to Israel's stats that show vaxed people are about 10 times less likely to die from covid. The UK shows similar stats.
"The CDC admits only 6% of COVID fatalities are from COVID alone."
And? they did die of covid though.
"When we see that about 76% of all COVID fatalities are over the age of 65, it makes sense that Florida would have elevated COVID fatality rates compared to the rest of the country."
Even among over 65s their covid deaths are far in excess of the much more vaxed Israel. this also doesn't account for the massive discrepancy of 8 times as many deaths. I mean maybe we could talk about 20% or something like that, but 8 times the rate is unthinkable.
And no, Michael Mann was not sued. He instead sued a blog over a smear campaign over his research. You are literally falling into the very lie that he sued over.
"Anything else I can clear up for you?"
Literally anything would be a start. How about this, you could try not being a conspiracy theorist loonbag who puts millions of lives on the line over obvious propaganda while claiming it as "science" but that's not going to happen now is it. Lets face it, the most effort you've ever put into anything is fingering yourself while you moan Trump's name. Go take your horse pill suppository and stop endangering Americans.
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@MTMILITIAMAN7.62
"As long as you don't die from it? Don't worry, I didn't."
But millions did. Millions more are left with permanent injury such as heart and lung damage.
"I didn't even miss a day of work."
Bit of anecdotal evidence to brighten your day, as useless as it is.
"Until your antibodies don't work because they no longer have the correct antibody for the new variant?"
Yes. Your body is basically taking out lottery tickets when it sees a foreign body like this, and keeps spilling out potential antibodies until 1 fits. Since the virus has 29 separate proteins, there are potentially hundreds of ways to latch onto it as an antibody. As such, antibodies created through natural immunity may attach to an area of the virus that has since mutated. There is also the memory cells forgetting the virus, which is the same as vaccine waning immunity. I've known multiple people who caught both the wild type and delta.
"You mean the new variant created by the vaccine"
Delta came from India in December, when there wasn't a single person vaxed there. There were also 3 variants before it.
"which not only doesn't work for as long, but doesn't work as well, as natural immunization?"
It's far easier to track and more predictable, meaning we know if you have immunity or not and the chances of that immunity lasting. Natural immunity, as I have already said, can wane and can be useless. It also requires you to put your health on the line at the risk of death or permanent injury.
"Numbers from Israel, UK, and CDC comparing vaxxed to unvaxxed consider only vaccination status, not BMI, cardiovascular health, immune system health, or a host of other factors that contribute to COVID fatalities."
And age. The weird part is your assumption that unvaxed people are fat or have poor immune systems. If anything these people are more likely to be vaxed, which only strengthens my argument.
"If you are obese, have a genetic disposition to cardiovascular disease, and you have diabetes, and then contract COVID and die, you more died with COVID than from it."
No, you died from it. Again, these people could have lived for decades. Claiming that obesity killed them and not covid is just a disingenuous attempt to change covid stats. If you really want we can just use excess deaths to show your idiocy.
"COVID in this case is just the straw the broke the camel's back."
More like the anvil.
"I never said Michael Mann was sued."
You know he won that lawsuit right?
"I said Michael Mann lost a lawsuit. He did sue, for deformation"
No, he didn't. They never showed that anything said was anything other than defamation, and instead passed the blame onto the individual who wrote it rather than the entire think tank. He won the suit.
"Subsequent investigation revealed him and the IPCC to be biased partisan hacks more than legitimate scientists."
Coming from you that's a compliment with the nonsense you believe.
"I've had more stimulating conversation with toe nail clippings."
That actually explains a lot more about you than it does me.
"You seem to struggle with even 3rd grade level literacy and reading comprehension. You have no cohesive argument and seem to only be able to strawman my argument."
I'm literally just refuting your points word for word. Sorry you can't explain all those US deaths, especially in less vaccinated and less masked areas. Must be tough for you.
"So I am going to let you get back to licking windows on the short bus."
But then I'll end up right back next to you Rob. You'll be sitting there talking to your toenails again.
Not surprised you're quitting though. Your entire argument boils down to trying to cherry-pick stats to make it look like covid didn't kill anyone, when in actuality it's killed more people than the stats show, not less.
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