Comments by "Hobbs" (@hobbso8508) on "Bloomberg Television"
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@aalvarez2914
"half the people who fell ill with delta in Israel were fully vaccinated"
Israel's exact wording was "as many as" meaning 50% is their upper limit. The population is also 57% vaccinated, meaning you are still safer to have it. Their predictions based on what they've seen are 88% efficacy. It's possible that the vaccinated are being effected at a high rate due to them being outside unmasked and travelling more.
"but they do not stop you from getting infected or spreading it to others"
Actually they do. That 88% efficacy is the immunity rate. Only 12% can be infected.
"That only happens after you’ve actually been exposed to the virus, like many of us already have."
For how long though? Similar reinfections can also happen, same as the vaccine.
"That’s when you build a mucosal secretory Iga antibody layer and response, which is what protects you from being infected and spreading it to others."
They're actually reviewing a vaccine that does specifically this, but that's not to say that the existing vaccines don't do this at all.
"These only give your body awareness of a piece of the spike protein too, versus people who’ve gotten over the real virus, who’s immune system now knows the full virus and can detect variants better too."
The spike protein targets a specific area of the virus. Without this natural immunity may develop any number of methods to stopping the infection. This means the ability of your body to stop variants is a guessing game, as you don't actually know how your body decided to fight the virus.
"That’s fine but there’s also no long-term safety studies on reprogramming live human cells to start creating custom proteins with lab-sequenced mRNA wrapped in polymerized antifreeze which is what the lipid shells are."
you're joking right. Reprogramming cells to create custom proteins is a daily affair.
"There are people dying from the vaccine they are downplaying and pretending their deaths had nothing to do with it, young people who had very little risk from the virus itself."
Very few. So far the vaccines are far safer than the virus. Also, with new variants coming out and hospitalisations effecting younger and younger people with the new Delta variant, the idea that things aren't going to get worse for the unvaccinated, no matter their age, is ridiculous.
"There is a backwards desperation to prevent there being a control group, because they don’t want it known a lot of unvaccinated people are doing just fine without it."
Actually the control groups are required to be offered the vaccine after the clinical trials have concluded due to ethical reasons. It's literally illegal to do so.
"The partial immunity the vaccine provides also lets people get infected and spread it, just with milder symptoms and creates evolutionary pressure for mutations too."
The 94% immunity the vaccines give stops the spread. The other 6% are so mild that the viral load is never really enough to pass it on in significant quantities, nothing like catching it while unvaccinated. Mutations are happening in the unvaccinated. Delta for example is from India, which even now is only 22% vaccinated.
"The people relying on the “vaccine” don’t seem to understand you still need the basics of a healthy immune system, or you’re still going to be infected with mild symptoms if you’re lucky, possibly creating variants and also spreading it to others."
The people not relying on the vaccine risk death as well as all those other things sooo.....
"The clinical claim is the vaccines reduce severe illness and death, that’s it "
Right, but that doesn't mean that's the only thing it does.
"That’s fine but that’s different than conferring immunity anywhere near natural immunity provides, which many already have so they don’t need this extra risk."
Your plan just sounds like letting people die from covid and hoping nobody gets reinfected. Never mind the 600K Americans dead already, this kind of thinking will kill millions. There will be many more with long-term health complications such as heart damage, lung damage and fatigue. This is the dumbest answer.
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@profusionlifetv7183
So not the party trying to restrict human rights 4, 5, 7, 9, 14, 16, 17, 21, 24, 25, 26, 28 and 30?
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@suzannalytle2758 Good job it does all those things then. Also has small business loans and grants, SNAP benefits extensions, vaccine distributions, FEMA Disaster Relief Fund funding, school funding, college funding, child care assistance, senior food assistance, mortgage assistance, WIC program funding, COBRA subsidies, child tax credit expansions and ACA premium tax credits.
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@keepinghealthy3332 8 months is the time between EUA and now, not how long it was in development total. They started developing it months before the EUA, meaning it has been tested for over a year. Their clinical trial alone started almost 14 months ago.
They were also allowed to run concurrent testing. Before the clinical trials cellular and animal trials took place over the course of 3 months, pushing total development time to 17 months. These also overlapped considerably due to Operation Warp Speed.
This is not an unreasonable amount of time considering the overlapping testing and huge number of people in the clinical trial. Vaccines also don't need stage 4 trials as we aren't giving the vaccines to unhealthy people, but to people not yet infected. Usually clinical trails for new medications take so long because the testing pool is expanded several times, putting clinical trials into 4 separate phases. They practically leapt to stage 4 trails, cutting of years of clinicals. Then they skipped stage 4 all together, saving years of work.
For reference, mumps took 4 years to develop, and that was in the 60s without modern technology, massive bursts of funding and an immediate need.
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@BillyTheKidder You would be correct, assuming that was the only case of the right being violent, but there have been multiple instances of the right politically attacking the left. Take Charlottesville. Some white supremist drove his car through anti-Unite the Right protesters, killing 1 and injuring 28. These attacks are not uncommon, and the rhetoric of Trump's supporters in the last 12 years has only been increasing.
"in which case arguing one party is better than another should seem ridiculous."
Not really. Just because you have to choose between 2 things, doesn't make those things the same. For example: your choice of sandwich filling is Nutella or literal dog shit I found on the front lawn. Still 2 options, they even look similar, but obviously they are very different.
I created that narrative to your response that the election results were fishy. They weren't, Biden won, and arguing Biden cheated is even less nonsensical than arguing Trump cheated. At least one side has the ability to show that the candidate at least attempted to cheat. Unless of course your comment was offhand and has nothing to do with a claim of cheating, which makes it a meaningless statement.
You claim Biden cheated. Can you name some instances of his cheating?
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@BillyTheKidder Your last comment said they rig the game, they cheat. So did Biden cheat or not. Moreover, did he cheat the system, or did he cheat within the system? Trump definitely tried the former, and partially succeeded.
I agree that reasons fornnot wanting to shout your candidate from the rooftops are generally more personal. My point what that incidents like Charlottesville, various right wing shootings, the attack on the Capitol and other situations like that are just points in a huge web of various instances and rhetoric pushed by the right over the last 12 years. I would also point to the nationalistic style of support very common on the right, that requires a huge amount of chest thumping, something less nationalistic people tend to steer away from. You call it cowardice, I personally call the signs unnecessary.
As for the sandwiches, it really doesn't matter what you consider either side, as long as you understand that a choice between 2 is not automatically a choice between 1.
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@BillyTheKidder The historical evidence is that candidates with a more extreme following tend to attract people with more extreme beliefs and more extreme actions to fit those beliefs, such as covering your house in 20 Trump flags or flying the confederate battle flag. Biden supporters tend to steer away from such blatant displays of nationalism and what essentially amounts to thumping your chest like a gorilla to prove your point. They voted rather than shouted, and it worked.
If you really want more examples I can give them, but arguing against it due to an insufficient number of points being made simply because you determined it so doesn't really help you case. Even if these were the only 2 newsworthy examples, it wouldn't really change much. But sure, by all means. I would like to preface this with the fact that Right-wing extremists perpetrated two thirds of the attacks and plots in the United States in 2019 and over 90 percent between January 1 and May 8, 2020.
El Paso Walmart shooting
2020 boogaloo killings
Kenosha protest shooting
Poway synagogue shooting
Jeffersontown Kroger shooting
Pittsburgh synagogue shooting
Planned parenthood shooting
Portland train attack
Charleston church shooting
LAX shooting
Attack on Pennsylvania State Police barracks
2018 mail bombing attempts
These are just the public attacks in the name of right wing ideals. This says nothing for the hundreds of videos and actions of right wing supporters calling for action:
Trump tweeted a video that included the statement "the only good Democrat is a dead Democrat"
Fox News claiming that "All the Democrats have is lying and deception"
Dinesh D'Souza on Larry King claiming that the Democratic left are fascists
Trump proclaiming that only his supporters are true American patriots
Numerous videos questions and attacking Colin Kaepernick as a thug
Numerous videos of people being shot, choked and beaten by the police without repercussions
Militia groups actively preparing for civil war in the lead up to the 2020 election
Increased KKK signups and marches
The direct attacks and lies about Obama including:
Calling him a Muslim and saying he swore in on a Quran
Claiming he was born in Kenya
Saying he is the literal coming of the anti-christ
Calling him Satan
Trump co-chair wishing death on Obama
Syracuse "hang Obama" threats
Warning ISIS of incoming airstrikes before they happened
Failed to stockpile ventilators
Obama Foundation owns mail-in ballot printers
Obama's full name means COVID (seriously, these are just bizarre)
The Capitol attack was just a culmination of years of rhetoric coming crashing down as Trump supporters angrily reach stage 2 of their grief journey. They probably won't get much past that either.
Add to all of this the fact that conservative gun ownership, violence and terrorism are all increasing, and have been increasing for over a decade, at a steady rate. Rhetoric from these conservative groups has been growing steadily. The silent majority is a thing and they voted accordingly.
Also, again, not that this matters, as the absence of what you consider to be an appropriate number of examples is not indicative of there being no issue.
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@jakeglenn2246
> "Facebook Co- founder(“World Economic Forum”) , Bill Gates , Fauci and Big pharma planned C 19 and removed Trump from office.
Interesting claim. Got any evidence for that? Honestly, you think that they started a virus, in China of all places, and spread it all over the world, just to prove Trump is incompetent? Even if you are correct all Trump had to do was not be incompetent.
>Why wasn’t the white house and GOP senators invited to event 201?
Because at every turn they have been working to undermine the whole pandemic response.
>Why weren’t the American people allowed to attend?
Which American people? American people were there.
>Which Big pharma reps were there and why?
Probably the ones producing the vaccine.
>Why was the CIA and NSA there?
Why wasn’t Trump notified?
These are contradictory. I'm sure Trump was notified and has the CIA and NSA acting on his behalf, or he skipped that briefing like he always does. Either way.
>John Hopkins was the organization that also tracked and reported on the C19 actual event!!!
Correct. I'm glad they were there since they obviously know the most about all of this.
>The American people have NOT elected Gates, Fauci, Big pharma or John Hopkins or the CDC to direct our healthcare.
Well, sort of. The CDC head is appointed by the president, who is elected. The rest of them were hosting a private event and invited officials, who decided it would be a good idea. Gates, Johns Hopkins and the rest have no obligation to help people, but maybe they aren't complete sacks of shit like Trump. Gates for instance donated billion upon billions around the world to help people, yet you think he is somehow orchestrating a pandemic just to get at Trump?
>Why is Roxanne S. Austin- Verizon BOD also on BOD of big pharma?
Why not? Maybe because they know a thing or two about business and can provide a unique approach that more pharmaceutically driven individuals cannot?
Here's an idea. If Trump and his personal team are being attacked so hard, why don't they do some investigating and prove it? They appointed judges and had the head of the department of justice on their side, and found literally nothing. No lawsuits, no trials, no evidence. Also, are you saying the virus is fake or the vaccine. Wouldn't the vaccine still be a good thing?
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