Comments by "Hobbs" (@hobbso8508) on "Second Thought" channel.

  1. Aside from selling government assets to private owners? Aside from those owners profiting? Aside from the government actively pushing wages lower to help businesses make more money?
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  2. Bet you eat urinal cakes too.
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  3. Wrong. In fact they sold off government assets en masse.
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  4. Literally the first people they locked up were socialists. Maybe try looking even slightly behind the curtain rather than just accepting propaganda.
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  5. Nazism is a type of fascism. Neither are related to socialism.
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  6. Hitler literally said his idea of socalism had nothing to do with Marxism or Communism, and that Marxism is the antithesis of the German identity.
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  7.  @Harem__King  Wait, do you think it's when the government does stuff?
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  8. That's nice dear. Meanwhile a single billionaire has more money than the largest portfolio you just posted. The top 1% own 50% of stocks. The top 10% own 93% of stocks. So in reality the answer is the rich.
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  9. TIK thinks North Korea is a democracy. I think I'll take my advice from someone who can understand a defintion.
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  10. TIK is incompetent. His own sources don't agree with the conclusions he draws, and he even changes some of the sources in his videos to make them suit his ideology better.
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  11. "National socialism is a form of socialism were the suppressed class is the ethnicity associated with the nation state" Socialism doesn't have an oppressed class, that's the whole point of it. "Just like all socialists the national socialists believe the state should own the means of production" Socialists believe the people should own the means of production. "This is similar to marxists socialism except in marxist socialism ethnicity is swapped for class." Marxian socialism deals with class because it is an economic system. It points out that poor people work and rich people benefit from that work. It argues that we should give people the products of their own labour. What could your claimed ethnic socialism possibly argue in regards to economics? This claim of yours makes no sense.
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  12. The point of socialism is to correct that issue, thereby making the nation classless. No, socialism is not, and has never been, about state ownership. It is about social ownership. It can be via a democratic state, but cannot be absent democracy when controlled via a government.
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  13. Nope, just better than you.
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  14. Imagine taking literal Nazis at their word.
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  15.  @Harem__King  TIK is straight up banned on r/badhistory because people kept posting his idiocy there.
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  16. "Socialised the people" This is just a meaningless statement. "Socialised the workers" By destroying unions and removing their ability to have any decisions over the work or the profits of their labour. "Socialised the corporations" I bet you think feudalism is socialist too. Honestly, try again. There was no common ownership, therefore no socialism. End of story.
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  17. Lol. Don't know many leftists that crush unions.
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  18. Socialism is about more than just government control. Socialism requires not individual or state ownership, but collective ownership. Nazi Germany had zero collective ownership, and therefore no Socialism.
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  19. Nazis never held the means of production in common.
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  20.  @Rphcp  It's actually the opposite of a free market, which is not socialism. Again, the means of production were never held in common. You don't have common ownership in a totalitarian government. You definitely don't have common ownership when the means of production are still being owned and profited from privately.
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  21. State control of the means of production isn't socialism. Socialism requires social ownership.
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  22.  @robertvolz4200  That makes no sense. How can something be owed in common if it is owned by a non-democratic state? Where is the social part of the social ownership? It actually gets extra ridiculous when you learn that many early socialist ideas were developed in response to monarchiatic and feudaliatic rule, yet according to you that would be a form of socialism. Utterly nonsensical.
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  23. There is nothing syndicalist about fascism. In fact it works the exact opposite to syndicalism.
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  24. Yeah, none of that is true. Hitler's Germany did not fit the definition of socialism, end of story.
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  25. The Nazi 25 point plan was created to garner support from socialists. It is now widely accepted as nothing more than a political ploy rather than actual intended policy. The "union" the Nazis made was anything but. The union leadership were government appointed officials. Union members could not vote, strike or negotiate pay. The whoe point of the urinal cake metaphor is that names do not prescribe meaning. Putting "socialist" in your name don't make you one. Weird you think pointing out that Nazis were authoritarian gits who did nothing for regular people is seen as simping for them. You're so far up corporate arse that calling Nazis pro-capitalist means you think that's among sort of a redeeming feature.
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  26. No, I'm not. Socialism is about social ownership. By your defintion market socialism is not really socialism. Also by your defintion, socialism only exists as a bridge to communism. This is wrong on several levels, but mostly just due to the failure to correctly define socialism.
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  27.  @АлександрАлександров-щ7к8т  Sure, except their idea of socialism does not fit any standard definition of any kind. In fact when you read up you realise that they thought of socialism as a return to monarchism, with an absolutely obedient populous, where he personally would make decisions for the greater good. That is what he meant by socialism. Not the democratic system of common ownership proposed by every socialist. His idea had been tried historically and he wanted to go backwards, not forward.
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  28. @soulcapitalist6204  But in this case the state did NOT facilitate a collective. You can't have a state run through collectivism if the collective never gets a say. By removing democracy and creating an authoritarian state you create an environment where state facilitated collectivism is impossible.
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  29. The guy who thinks socialism is "when the government does stuff", thinks nationalisation is the selling off of government assets, and thinks destroying union's ability to strike or elect their own leaders is somehow strengthening them. Last time TIK messaged me in the comments he tried to argue North Korea is a democracy. He lives in a fantasy land.
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  30. TIK is so dumb he thinks socialism is when the government does stuff. He even tries to argue North Korea is a democracy. Dude is a joke.
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  31. In what way did the Nazis achieve common ownership?
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  32. ​ @soulcapitalist6204  How many political parties are there in North Korea?
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  33. Who said they were?
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  34. Reality has a strong bias.
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  35. Now look up the Night of Long Knives.
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  36.  @joninja7916  Bingo. Also happens to be when the Nazis actually took full power and allowed them to outlaw all socialist parties, while also killing and imprisoning the socialists within their own party. Honestly, arguing that Strasser proves the Nazis were socialist after they literally killed him for his socialist principles is utterly ludicrous.
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  37. Unions are not created and controlled by the government. Any union that is would just not be a union.
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  38.  @aidan883  No, it doesn't. Trade unions are controlled by the workers, not the government.
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  39. Tik also thinks North Korea is a democracy, and defined socialism as literally any form of government.
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  40.  @toydigger  His entire video is about the Nazis being socialist and relies on the idea that common ownership = government ownership. The issue clearly being that this would make all feudalism a form of socialism, and would make market socialism not real socialism, which makes absolutely zero sense. You can't just remove democracy and call something owned by an authoritarian state commonly owned. I even pointed this out to Tik in the comments, explained that authoritarian states like North Korea cannot have common ownership through the stare as they have no democratic rule, ie the mechanism used to allow people to make collective decisions. He responded by arguing that North Korea is totally a democracy because they can vote, and all definitions of democracy that are something other than "people voting", even if their votes are meaningless, is not real democracy. Amazing that the guy who tries to argue his opponents need to say things are not real socialism seems to spend a lot of time redefining terms.
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  41.  @theblatantaussie1530  "National Socialism isn't socialism for having socialism in the name. It is an derivation of Fascism, which in on itself is a derivation of Socialism." Wrong. Fascism is not socialism as it does not fit the definition of socialism. One of the main characteristics of fascism is suppression of the opposition. The opposition is part of the voting populous. The voting populous is required to have common control of the means of production for it to be socialism. By excluding a large segment of society you erode democracy and move away from socialism. "Socialists entire reason for existence is the justification of violent upheaval and restructuring of society to benefit themselves, no matter the cost." Also nonsense. In fact the Communist Manifesto specifically talks at length about achieving socialism via democracy, and many of the points they made have in fact been implemented in western societies democratically.
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  42.  @theblatantaussie1530  Except socialism doesn't even require government control, which is why your comparisons are silly nonsense. Control of industry is for the people in socialism. "fascism and Nazism is only socialism if you deny reality " Fixed it for you.
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  43. "communism doesn't require government control, according to the communist manifesto." At the end stage, yes. "Socialism is the state of governance after attaining the means of production" Nope. Nothing about socialism requires government. "It doesn't just require government control, it is nothing BUT government control." Wrong. Socialism does not require government control. "Learn your own ideology, jesus." Lol.
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  44. ​ @theblatantaussie1530  I personally am not an anarchistic socialist, mostly because it would be very difficult to guarantee human rights at scale. But socialism also doesn't require the government to be dissolved to function outside of government. Cooperative businesses function as examples of market socialism. Every single employee has a say on the direction of the company, and democracy is used to determine leadership, large decisions and more. Government still exists, but socialism is acting outside of it.
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  45. Taking Hitler at his word is cringe.
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  46.  @adamdoyle284  See what I mean, totally incompetent. If this is the lengths you have to go to then no wonder you think TIK is credible. Everything looks credible when you bend that far back.
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  47.  @adamdoyle284  No, it isn't, and if you believe it is then you're a bigger fool than TIK.
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  48. Considering TIK argues that: Unions having no voting power, no ability to strike, no ability to collectively negotiate and no democratic leadership are still definitely unions and not just a list of workers from watched by the government. North Korea is a democracy. The government selling off government assets to private individuals is nationalising. Socialism is when the government does stuff. TIK is the absolute epitome of 1984 up is down propaganda with these videos. Even the sources he is using disagree with him. The word privatisation was literally invented to describe the Nazi economy.
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  49. Nothing you said makes them socialist. In fact the social programs you are referring to already existed when the Nazis took power, and were sold off to private companies during the Nazi government.
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  50. So you think feudalism is socialism? And wait until you hear about market socialism.
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