Comments by "Hobbs" (@hobbso8508) on "Florida Governor Threatens To Fine Cities That Impose Vaccine Mandates" video.

  1.  @fegelfly7877  I actually found the Fox headline that seems to mirror what you said, except is very clearly reads: "Unvaccinated people make up for more than 90% of COVID-19 hospitalizations and deaths, per CDC" Looks like you just misread it. Easy mistake.
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  2.  @fegelfly7877  Sure, I mean at the end of the day the vaccine isn't perfect. I wish it were, but some people just lose their immunity or never build up a strong enough one, even with the vaccine. That's one reason the over 60s are so heavily effected. They also take a lot of AstraZeneca vaccine in the UK, especially for over 60s, which in general is less effective. Either way cheers for the convo and good luck to you.
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  3.  @talleywa5772  And 7% organ damage.
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  4. ​ @fegelfly7877  Well that can't be the exact title as searching the exact phrase yields no results, but no issue, I'll dig it out myself. Alright, found it. So according to the actual article, 80% of the UK population is vaccinated, and of those there were there were 22,318 cases in the last week of August. This compares to the 20,744 who were unvaxed. He then clarifies the stats for the whole month. According to the quote from the article: "The data actually shows that between 7th August 2021 and the 3rd September 2021 there were 47,580 cases among the unvaccinated population, 21,020 cases among the partly vaccinated population, and 41,748 cases among the fully vaccinated population. Meaning there were 15,188 more cases among the vaccinated population." Counting partial vaccinations is dodgy at best but I digress. Then he says this: "So now that we’ve cleared up that the experimental Covid-19 injections clearly do not prevent infection or spread of Covid-19" Well that's just not true. According to the very stats just presented case rates among the vaccinated are lower. This is because there are 4 times more of them. To get an accurate rate you first need to even out the population sizes when looking at cases. This means the number of cases per population of the unvaxed is 4 times higher than the vaxed. "According to table 16 of the report between the 28th August 2021 and the 3rd September 2021 there were 36 admissions to hospital related to Covid-19 among the unvaccinated over 60 population, whilst there were 7 admissions on the partly vaccinated population. However, there were a huge 299 admissions among the fully vaccinated over 60 population, and the same pattern can be seen for the weeks previous all the way back to the 7th August 2021." This shift to the over 60s is a bait and switch. Over 60s in the UK are 92% vaccinated (just checked, it's actually 93.3%), so any stat relevant would be related to rate, which is 12 times (the higher percentage actually pushes this to 15 times) higher in than the numbers given for the unvaxed population. This actually pushes the hospitalisation rate to higher in the unvaxed group. The author even shows a complete lack of understanding of this when he says: "Therefore, this shows that the Covid-19 injections are increasing the risk of hospitalisation when exposed to Covid-19 by 70% rather than reducing the risk by the 95% claimed by the vaccine manufacturers and authorities." "Therefore, the true number of deaths by vaccination status between the 5th August 2021 and the 26th August 2021" This is just playing with the stats. He took out the last week intentionally as the trend didn't meet his needs. He then goes on to say: "Therefore, this shows that the Covid-19 injections are increasing the risk of death when exposed to Covid-19 by a huge 566% rather than reducing the risk by the 95% claimed by the vaccine manufacturers and authorities." Completely ignoring the rates and population differences again. Even if you take his cherrypicked timeline at face value, you're still looking at the same number of deaths in vaxed and unvaxed overall. What's worse is the majority of those deaths are in the over 60s population, which means you are against focusing on a group with a 92% vaccination rate. So his numbers show the exact opposite of what he claims, with death rates dropping in the vaccinated over 60s. Maybe pick someone who understands what a rate is next time, or maybe someone who presents all relevant data.
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  5. So Florida dropping from 2,448 deaths the week before last to 2,280 last week is some sort of achievement? Deaths are still floating around record highs. Even during the January surge we didn't see this many bodies rolling in.
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  6.  @sababaratashvili8629  I was merely refuting the idea that deaths are down in Florida, but if you really want to get into it then we can. First of all, I was referring to all DeSantis policies, including his anti-mask mandate. Banning schools from masking, which is a valuable and tested method of reducing transmission, is simply an attempt to gain favour. Masks are designed to be worn by everyone in a particular area to protect those around you from yourself. Stopping mandating will just increase transmission and make schools hotbeds of viral infection. As for the vaccine, while it doesn't stop all infections, it does stop a large proportion of people from getting covid, even delta. Israel numbers put efficacy in around 42% without a booster after several months of waning. With a fresher second dose or a booster efficacy can rise much higher. This means zero transmissibility or mutation potential in a large proportion of vaccinated people. The vaccines also reduce deaths, which was the whole point of this comment. If you want to stop people from dying then vaccinate them. Finally are the long term damage issues of covid. 75 of covid-longhaulers experience organ damage, with 2.5% getting multiple organ damage. Don't you think that's something we should be trying to prevent?
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  7.  @schmeesmclaren1570  Source?
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  8.  @guitarpley08  Imagine the uproar if they had overturned the ACA and being unvaccinated counting as a preexisting condition.
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  9. So you're saying the best way to stop covid is to sacrifice millions of people?
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  10.  @chiefgstar8966  Sure, just make up numbers.
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  11.  @fegelfly7877  "When thousands of people claim they catch COVID after getting jabbed, it's not a 'personal anecdote' anymore." Well sure. The vaccines were created to fight the alpha variant. Delta is different and therefore efficacy goes down. We're still seeing some levels of efficacy and while you may still get infected, deaths are practically non-existent for the vaccinated. "Nice try, but Israel has become the world capital on COVID cases, despite leading the charge on vaccines." Florida is way worse than Israel. "80% of deaths in August were from vaccinated individuals." Also not true. "Per capita, for every death of an Israeli over 60 that had received the booster shot, there are 15 deaths of unvaccinated Israelis in same age group" "1) 90% of people who are hospitalized with COVID are vaccinated individuals" Unvaccinated. Check the CDC. I sent you the name of the article on this in a previous comment. " 2) I don't want to risk my health by taking an experimental jab known for dangerous side effects" Like respiratory failure, organ damage, blood clots and death? Oh wait, no, that's covid.
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