Comments by "Goldenhawk583" (@Goldenhawk583) on "IWrocker"
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@Alias_Anybody For several hundred thousand years, we evolved to eat meat and fat, and get our energy from the ketones that diet provides. We did not start eating any significant amount of plants until we started farming, 6000 to 10 000 years ago.
Before meat, we ate plants, then we started scavenging, then we started hunting. Our brains evolved faster once we started scavenging, due to the far more nutritious food that meat and fat is.
After that, we ate plants on occation, but 80%+ was meat/fat. Plants were mainly eaten when meat was hard to get, and probably as a treat when sweet fruit and berries were found ( most were sour), allowing some fat storage before winter.
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@colihon3552 well, no, sorry. When we started scavanging meat and marrow from what was left of kills that other predators ate, we went from eating foods that really hold on to all its nutrients as hard as it can, using chemicals, to a food that just gives it away in comparison.
To get even close to having all we need nutritionally speaking, when eating plants, we ate all day.. most herbivores do, most of the day is spent eating. We had a large cecum where plantmatter was fermented, allowing bacteria to make nutrients available, and then we digested the bacteria. Pretty much like horses and gorillas do.
With meat becoming the staple food, we needed less and less time spent eating. A good meal of meats and fat would keep you going for a day, no need to browse for hours. Our brains grew fast then. THAT is when we figured out cooking.
Have you ever tried eating a meal of raw steak tartar? It feels so light , comfortable, it is not hard to digest at all.
Then, just 6000 to 10 000 years ago, we started returning to eating plants. Since then we have become, on average, 5 inches shorter, and our brains have shrunk about 11%.
Plants are not needed for humans anymore.. we are better off not eating them unless we have to, but when we have to ( survival), they do come with diseases.
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@colihon3552 We had hands and we weren't stupid, we used rocks to crush bones to get to to the marrow, and we used sharp stones to help cut meat and hides.
Yes, we used to have bigger jaws and more muscle in that area, because of the PLANTS, not the meat.
Again, look at a modern day gorilla, that big hump on the head is all jaw muscle, much needed to grind plant matter to a mush. Meat is LOT easier to chew, even raw. I am sure you have eaten chicken off the bone, or gnawed on the bone after eating a porkchop or similar. It worked fine, did it not? With the rather sharp , front teeth you have?
We used to be able to grind plantmatter as well, we can no longer do that. In order to grind fibers, you need to move the jaw side to side, you also have to bite down pretty hard. We can move the jaw side to side OR we can bite down, we cant do it at the same time. We could, but now we cant.
About the cooking. What you are saying is that we invented cooking before we ate any meat. Not just the use of fire, but actual cooking. While some plants can be roasted by just putting them in hot coals, most plants need a vessel to hold them, and water to prevent them from being burned and made inedible.
So cooking plants is more advanced than just putting a slab of meat on a stick and roasting it.
The use of fire for cooking may have come pretty fast after we started eating meat, but logically, it did come after, not before.
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@colihon3552 I write and essay, which is pointless, because you know everything there is to know and just set me straight?;:P Is that all you think we know about that time?
I have eaten raw steak:P np with that, lol. Using the word "gross" indicates you are partly using your feelings to decide what others ate like 200 000 years ago.
We did tend to use some tools, and could cut pieces of meat as well as pieces of plants. We did not need a lot of bite force to chew a mouthful of meat, but we did need a lot of muscle to grind fibrous plantmatter. We did not eat a lot of carbs back then, it was more fiber than anything else.
Like wild carrots, only edible in the first year , pale yellow, not sweet and very fibrous. In the year it seeds, aka year 2, it was just too much fiber to eat...for humans.
Grains? Yes, we did eat some grains, gathered by hand from the straws found among a lot of other plants in a meadow. Each straw would have 1 to 3 grains on them, so they were not a staple food. And even with our larger jaws back then, we could not really chew them, we had to grind them between stones first. Or, later, boil them ( after we figured out how to weave waterproof baskets , or use leather as a cooking pot.
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@colihon3552 0.o, are you serious? Bite your teeth together, rather hard, now try to move your jaw sideways to grind away on that raw , wild carrot. You cant.. but you can still chew a piece of meat. Even raw.
Now, swallow that carrot, ( with some water, you dont want to choke on the fibers), and observe your guts becoming bloated as it slooooowly moves from the stomach, through the intestines. It will start to ferment, causing gas, which can be painful. And the harsh fibers are quite mean to the lining of your intestines.
3 to 4 days later, you will get rid of it, rather smelly.
Now eat that meat. Observe again. No bloating, the stomach acid reduces it to a soup that enters your intestines ( the fibers remains mostly whole). This soup is absorbed almost completely in just a few hours, and by the time its ready to leave you, there may not be enough to trigger a need to go.. until you have had 3 more days of meat, and then you go. Amount far less than with fibers, gas and bloated pain, none, smell, far less offensive.
Bye:)
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@dirk-jandekrijger7303 They did not call them hunter gatherers for a reason? I will assume you meant the opposite.
And I am not sure what you mean though. My take is that hunting and fishing was the main way humans fed themselves after they evolved from being herbivores to being mainly carnivores . Yes humans are designed now to eat meat and fat, and plants are not needed to stay healthy, In fact, plants often cause health issues when eaten in large amounts ( more than 20% of total food consumed in a year).
In winter, with the ground frozen and perhaps feet of snow on top of that, finding edible plants would simply be a nope.
And even in spring and summer, finding enough plants to sustainably feed a village, would be a hard task.
Modern plants that we see in the stores today, can not be found in nature, and didnt even exist 1-200 years ago, they are all human made through selective breeding.
And in autumn, berries and fruits would ripen, and the sweet ones would be eaten ( causing a lot of tummy upset if they ate too much at once:P), allowing for storing of fat on the body before winter. ( Adding carbs to a diet of fat and meat will trigger the Randle Cycle, aka fat storage rather than fat usage).
We agree I think, they hunted, and plants were either medicinal, or a treat, with added fibrous plants during times of bad hunting.
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