Comments by "Andre Gon" (@andregon4366) on "The Critical Drinker"
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@adamgates1142 That does nothing to address what I said.
What I said was that you can create your own story and/or universe that's based on another one.
You wouldn't be held accountable for being faithful to the universe you're adapting from.
Meanwhile if you make a movie that's supposed to take place in an already established universe you'll be criticized for the inaccuracies that have been established in it.
The law has nothing to do with it.
Here's an example: Blizzard wanted to make a Warhammer based game, GW said no, Blizzard made its own game based on Warhammer called Warcraft.
Even though Warcraft was based on Warhammer, it was never criticized for not being faithful to Warhammer. Because it wasn't Warhammer, it was its own thing, even though it was based on Warhammer.
If Blizzard made a Warhammer based game, because GW allowed them, and then they made Warcraft with Warhammer name in it, they'd be criticized for their inaccuracies.
It just so happens that a company by the name of Capcom did something like that, where they made games in which had nothing to do with the franchise they slapped the name in, like Resident Evil 5 and 6.
Those were action games that had nothing to do with the names associated with them and Capcom got criticized for that.
If they created a new franchise with those ganes they'd never be criticized for being inaccurate to a franchise they had nothing to do with. Even if they were based on them, I'll go further and say: they wouldn't get the criticism they got even if they were spinoffs and not part of the main series.
You on the other hand seem to be resorting to avoidance to pretend to addressing other people's points in order to make your argument valid.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel He had experience with pod racing, he learned the ship controls when he got out of Tatooine, he crash landed inside the space station AFTER GETTING SHOT, and he accidentally destroyed the main reactor inside of it.
And let's not forget he was getting assistance from R2.
Call it bad writing, although it could be argued that he some force influence behind it, but that doesn't make him a Mary Sue.
Even if that was a Mary Sue moment, single moments don't make Mary Sues, you need a pattern of Mary Sue moments to make a Mary Sue.
You don't know what a Mary Sue is.
Also the pod racing is the worst argument you could come up with.
Anakin HAD EXPERIENCE IN PILOTING PODS, Wattoo made him race in them.
Anakin LITERALLY BUILT THE POD HE RAN IN.
Experience in pod racing in a pod he literally knew from the inside out.
That doesn't seem an unfavorable situation in any way shape or form.
Anakin worked in a parts shop, where he worked on fixing every kind of things, droids included.
It's not a stretch of imagination if he could build at home what he was used to build in the shop.
Your absurd arguments just prove you don't know what a Mary Sue is.
Or that you're desperate to downplay how bad the sequel trilogy is.
The point of the first movie was to show Anakin as the prodigy child with unlimited potential.
Do you know what a prodigy child is? You may not know, but I do. One of my cousins was.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Anakin didn't run a business, he built stuff.
No, Rey isn't a Mary Sue JUST because she can repair an airship the first time she gets in it, despite its owners not be able to.
She follows a pattern where she can pull every kind of stunts when it's convenient to her, despite having literally 0 experience or knowledge for her to be able to do it.
She repaired a ship, even though nothing points to her knowing how.
She flies a ship, even though nothing points to her knowing how.
She uses mind trick on a soldier, even though nothing points to her knowing how.
She beats a sith despite never handling a light saber.
This is a pattern. A pattern that is still present in the next movies right up to the end.
Rummaging through garbage doesn't give you knowledge on how to repair or build what you're rummaging.
A person that rummages through a bakery trashcan doesn't learn how to bake by rummaging on trash.
MaRey Sue DID NOT work with space ships, at no point in the movie such thing is mentioned.
The only thing the movie established was that she was a scavenger.
Rey is 100% a Mary Sue.
Anakin DID NOT invent a race car.
Anakind DID NOT sell parts, Wattoo did.
Anakin WORKED with machines and repaired them.
Anakin built a race pod based on knowledge he acquired from working on Wattoo's shop.
Anakin also had experience in racing in them. The movie literally tells us that.
Also his pod wasn't perfect, it stalled at the start.
Making stuff up just proves your intellectual dishonesty and nothing more.
Breaking the universe rules makes does make a Mary Sue, which Rey did, several times. Rey is 100% a Mary Sue.
The only one who is biased here is you.
Projection.
Can't say I'm surprised.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Wrong
And wrong
Anakin did not learn by himself, he was a slave working in a shop.
Wattoo should have taught him how to work.
And 2 he didn't learn how to fly a ship by himself, he literally learns from the Naboo ship pilot.
That is not only shown in the movie, but you've been told by people in this comment section.
You're literally lying, you know you're lying, I know you're lying and yet you're still trying to pass a debunked lie as a fact.
What, do you really think I wouldn't notice it?
Who do you think you're trying to fool?
No, if the roles were swapped I'd be calling Anakin a Mary Sue.
You're the one who would be doing that, you've already shown your projection, and I called it out.
You're now projecting again.
The prequels are better for many reasons, one of which being it not featuring a Mary Sue as the main character.
To be fair not many things are worse than the sequel, the sequel is horrible.
The prequels at least put an effort in being consistent with its own universe.
The sequels broke established rules.
If I was trying to mindlessly trying to put the sequels in over the sequels I would be explaining things that were featured in the movie, I'd be lying about it, just like you did.
Your entire defense for the sequel trilogy is whataboutism.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel "Must be lying"?
Dude, you literally lied.
You claimed Anakin learned to fly ships by himself when there's a scene where he's by the pilot's side talking to him about the ship's controls and the pilot says something like: "You learn fast"
If you don't remember, either fact check or don't talk about what you don't know.
Disinformation is still disinformation, wether you do it on purpose or not.
I couldn't care less if you remember something or not, you come up with false claims and they get debunked, either by me or someone else.
Don't make claims you can't prove and you should be fine.
Explaining someone the controls of a ship for a few minutes isn't enough for a layman, but Anakin had experience in piloting (pod racer), the trip was way more than a few minutes (making a portion of the movie lasting for 10 hours to make for the trip time would be absurd).
And most importantly, Anakin barely did anything in the fighter, he got shot almost instantly as soon as he turned off the autopilot. He didn't outperform other pilots, he didn't make fancy maneuvers, he didn't outperform other pilots.
Anakin turned left, spun and crash landed. Definitely not a Mary Sue moment.
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Or better yet, seeing as she has no character, introduce a new force faction.
I mean, she has no character to define her as light or dark side, so make her fall on the, I don't know, void maybe?
It's a side that only consumes, like a black hole, and neither the dark or light side want to have anything to do with it.
And so, both Jedi and Siths would set their goal to defeat her, because if they don't there wouldn't be a galaxy to protect (Jedi) or conquer (Sith).
Yeah that last part is a bit cliché, but hey, that's all I managed to think of in a few minutes. I'm pretty sure a competent writer would come up with something better with more time.
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@tomebasic2843 Kinda but not really.
For the untrained eye he might come as Mary Sueish.
If you look carefully you'll notice that Anakin did race before, the problem being that not only he lost every time, but he also crashed all those times.
Mary Sues don't fail.
Another thing was the fighter scene, he was taught the controls of a ship when he left his planet. The ship pilot even stated Anakin was a fast learner.
If he was a Mary Sue, he'd be able to fly the fighter without instructions, kill more enemy fighers than, well zero, and wouldn't be shot.
Anakin didn't do much in the fighter. All he did was a turn, a spin, got shot and crashed on the battleship hangar.
And those were his accomplishments: won a pod race and fired the torpedoes accidentally.
He was a prodigy child, those exist, my cousin was one of them. Anakin was also a child, children don't make many enemies, but he did have one: Sebulba. Aside from that finding someone to hate a child would be dumb.
Who would hate a child?
Is kid Anakin a Mary Sue? Not really.
But I can see where it comes from.
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@skeetsmcgrew3282 I could name 5 videogame franchises.
Look at Pokémon, it's the most profitable franchise of all time.
It spanned multiple games, series, movies, card games, and who knows what else.
It's still strong AF, even though the last game (Sword and Shield) was terrible.
What kills franchises is companies and executives poor decision making, script writer, director, actor lack of talent, among multiple other factors.
When they become big, they get sold to people whose only interest is money. And they proceed to milk those franchises dry.
Of course that now that third rate politics seem to be trying to invade everything that's another thing to ruin it.
Trying to suck a franchise dry of everything it has while pandering to deranged activists (also known as cultists) is not a good combination. And that kills franchises even faster.
Some franchises are meant to end, that I totally agree, some others however do not.
LOTR had a solid ending, Terminator kept itself open to new iterations.
It was the bad quality of the end product that killed those franchises.
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