Comments by "Andre Gon" (@andregon4366) on "Was Anakin REALLY a Mary Sue?" video.

@jdlech More than once. His mother said something like: "I get worried sick whenever Watoo puts you on one of those things" The movie isn't even implying, it's literally saying Anakin has raced more than once before.
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@hamizanyunos1502 Rey literally broke the Force law when she pulled force heal out of her ass, even though force heal was decanonised, without any explanation of why or how something that was supposed to be impossible was now possible. That's the Mariest Sue any Mary Sue ever Mary Sued. EVER
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@hamizanyunos1502 It may have been a Mary Sue moment, but a Mary Sue moment doesn't make a character a Mary Sue, only when those Mary Sue moments become consistent with the character it can be called a Mary Sue.
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Or Leia. Fuck, Leia was a million times a better character than Rey could ever hope to be.
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@Maulinator69 Came here to say that. I WANT MY TIME BACK 😭
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@danielolsson7134 How can you lose a duel where you thrust your sword through your enemy and leave unscathed?
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@afawfulsituation3727 😂
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@ethanglover8244 That guy is the biggest loser I've seen here. He got shredded in the comment chain above and then comes here with his trolling as if nothing happened. You should check the royal beating he took, it's truly a sight to behold.
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60 Billion Double Dollar Man Not really. Game characters are only as successful as the player, and if you check the percentage of players with story mode achievements you'll see a success rate of those characters is between 20-30%.
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@rosesweetcharlotte My ass they don't notice. Nobody likes bad characters. There are less Gary Stues than Mary Sues because the biggest producers of Mary Sues are SJWs, feminists and other politically driven morons. And they make female protagonists because if someone criticizes their abhorrent writing they can simply call the critics bigots and sexists and dismiss any sort of criticism. But if a character is a Gary Stue, it shall be criticized as such regardless.
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@rosesweetcharlotte All Anakin did was turn left and spin before he got shot down. Is that fighter piloting? NO. Shitty excuses won't make Rey any less of a Mary Sue. And let's not forget that MaRey Sue pulled force heal out of her ass, which was canonically IMPOSSIBLE, with no explanation as to why or how something that was supposed to be impossible was now possible. That is the Mariest Sue any Mary Sue ever Mary Sued. EVER
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@hookyhook6006 The plot twist at the end blew my mind. I must have felt the same way as SW fans when they watched the "I am your father" line in the theater for the first time. What to expect from a game so good even George Lucas made its story canon? Guess George Lucas is also a man of culture.
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@hookyhook6006 Have you tried hypnosis? Could work.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel I said you before I'm not interested in engaging with you anymore. You've made it clear you have no interest in having an honest conversation. I'm tired of calling out your falacies. You've been blocked.
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@decay79 A Mary Sue moment doesn't make a Mary Sue. Only when a pattern of Mary Sue moments is present can a character be considered a Mary Sue. Besides all Anakin did was turn left and spin before he got shot. He knew how to control pods and was taught the controls of a ship in which the guy said something like: "You're learning fast." Any newbie could do that in a real life situation. The destruction of the base was pure luck, he was shooting droids and then accidentally fired torpedoes. After that he used his pod racing skills to flee.
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@decay79 No it wasn't. If you could prove what you were claiming you wouldn't just state that "it was like that through the entire movie" you'd have given examples already. You must be confusing ROTS, that was entire luck throughout the entire "movie". And no, my argument is not shitty writing, my words are not open to interpretation, they're meant to be taken literally.
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@decay79 He had luck ONCE. What other points are you referring to? The one where he won a race he had experience already? And started with engine failure? What kind of luck is that? P.S. I read your previous comments, I haven't seen those points you're talking about. No wonder, if you would have made them you'd at least copy paste them.
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@Callie_With_a_Bible Yes.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel It's not Rey hate, those who hate Jar Jar don't call him a Mary Sue. Getting shot almost instantly after entering a fight without taking down a single opponent is not a Mary Sue moment. Knowing how to fly a ship after getting training is not a Mary Sue moment. Being able to repair and fly a ship better than the people who used it for decades without any training does make a Mary Sue moment. Defeating a light saber expert the first time someone picks a light saber is a Mary Sue moment. Rey is ridden with those moments, whereas Anakin, despite being a prodigy child, has a couple feats. Anakin didn't beat Darth Maul, Anakin didn't fight droids and captured the throne room. He just won a race he had experience in racing and crash landed on a space station which he blew on the inside.
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@ttff-bd2yf And yet, despite being the greatest, he still failed pretty hard.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel He had experience with pod racing, he learned the ship controls when he got out of Tatooine, he crash landed inside the space station AFTER GETTING SHOT, and he accidentally destroyed the main reactor inside of it. And let's not forget he was getting assistance from R2. Call it bad writing, although it could be argued that he some force influence behind it, but that doesn't make him a Mary Sue. Even if that was a Mary Sue moment, single moments don't make Mary Sues, you need a pattern of Mary Sue moments to make a Mary Sue. You don't know what a Mary Sue is. Also the pod racing is the worst argument you could come up with. Anakin HAD EXPERIENCE IN PILOTING PODS, Wattoo made him race in them. Anakin LITERALLY BUILT THE POD HE RAN IN. Experience in pod racing in a pod he literally knew from the inside out. That doesn't seem an unfavorable situation in any way shape or form. Anakin worked in a parts shop, where he worked on fixing every kind of things, droids included. It's not a stretch of imagination if he could build at home what he was used to build in the shop. Your absurd arguments just prove you don't know what a Mary Sue is. Or that you're desperate to downplay how bad the sequel trilogy is. The point of the first movie was to show Anakin as the prodigy child with unlimited potential. Do you know what a prodigy child is? You may not know, but I do. One of my cousins was.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel No he is not. He worked in a place where building stuff was his job. He literally had the experience and know how. If he was a Mary Sue, there would be no explanation for that, like when Rey repaired and flew a ship without any prior experience and better than the people who owned it for decades. That's the difference between gifted and Mary Sue. You still don't know what a Mary Sue is.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Anakin didn't run a business, he built stuff. No, Rey isn't a Mary Sue JUST because she can repair an airship the first time she gets in it, despite its owners not be able to. She follows a pattern where she can pull every kind of stunts when it's convenient to her, despite having literally 0 experience or knowledge for her to be able to do it. She repaired a ship, even though nothing points to her knowing how. She flies a ship, even though nothing points to her knowing how. She uses mind trick on a soldier, even though nothing points to her knowing how. She beats a sith despite never handling a light saber. This is a pattern. A pattern that is still present in the next movies right up to the end. Rummaging through garbage doesn't give you knowledge on how to repair or build what you're rummaging. A person that rummages through a bakery trashcan doesn't learn how to bake by rummaging on trash. MaRey Sue DID NOT work with space ships, at no point in the movie such thing is mentioned. The only thing the movie established was that she was a scavenger. Rey is 100% a Mary Sue. Anakin DID NOT invent a race car. Anakind DID NOT sell parts, Wattoo did. Anakin WORKED with machines and repaired them. Anakin built a race pod based on knowledge he acquired from working on Wattoo's shop. Anakin also had experience in racing in them. The movie literally tells us that. Also his pod wasn't perfect, it stalled at the start. Making stuff up just proves your intellectual dishonesty and nothing more. Breaking the universe rules makes does make a Mary Sue, which Rey did, several times. Rey is 100% a Mary Sue. The only one who is biased here is you. Projection. Can't say I'm surprised.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Wrong And wrong Anakin did not learn by himself, he was a slave working in a shop. Wattoo should have taught him how to work. And 2 he didn't learn how to fly a ship by himself, he literally learns from the Naboo ship pilot. That is not only shown in the movie, but you've been told by people in this comment section. You're literally lying, you know you're lying, I know you're lying and yet you're still trying to pass a debunked lie as a fact. What, do you really think I wouldn't notice it? Who do you think you're trying to fool? No, if the roles were swapped I'd be calling Anakin a Mary Sue. You're the one who would be doing that, you've already shown your projection, and I called it out. You're now projecting again. The prequels are better for many reasons, one of which being it not featuring a Mary Sue as the main character. To be fair not many things are worse than the sequel, the sequel is horrible. The prequels at least put an effort in being consistent with its own universe. The sequels broke established rules. If I was trying to mindlessly trying to put the sequels in over the sequels I would be explaining things that were featured in the movie, I'd be lying about it, just like you did. Your entire defense for the sequel trilogy is whataboutism.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel "Must be lying"? Dude, you literally lied. You claimed Anakin learned to fly ships by himself when there's a scene where he's by the pilot's side talking to him about the ship's controls and the pilot says something like: "You learn fast" If you don't remember, either fact check or don't talk about what you don't know. Disinformation is still disinformation, wether you do it on purpose or not. I couldn't care less if you remember something or not, you come up with false claims and they get debunked, either by me or someone else. Don't make claims you can't prove and you should be fine. Explaining someone the controls of a ship for a few minutes isn't enough for a layman, but Anakin had experience in piloting (pod racer), the trip was way more than a few minutes (making a portion of the movie lasting for 10 hours to make for the trip time would be absurd). And most importantly, Anakin barely did anything in the fighter, he got shot almost instantly as soon as he turned off the autopilot. He didn't outperform other pilots, he didn't make fancy maneuvers, he didn't outperform other pilots. Anakin turned left, spun and crash landed. Definitely not a Mary Sue moment.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel How is not remembering something my problem? You're the one who tried to spread misinformation, not me. Why would I care if you're doing it intentionally or not, when the results are the same? Also, what makes you say it was a few minutes? Because the scene is a few minutes? The trips take hours at least (according to the lore), no one will make a 10 hour scene just to portray the time the trips take. And who said it was enough? What did Anakin do in the fighter? He turned left, spun and got shot. Did he shot down enemy fighters? No. Did he outperform other pilots? No. MaRey Sue, on the other hand managed to do so the first time she got her hands on Millennium Falcon's controls, without any prior knowledge of them. And then you call me biased. At least Anakin knew what the buttons on his control panel did.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel And again cherry picking while ignoring everything else. I'll say it again: "And who said it was enough? What did Anakin do in the fighter? He turned left, spun and got shot. Did he shot down enemy fighters? No. Did he outperform other pilots? No. MaRey Sue, on the other hand managed to do so the first time she got her hands on Millennium Falcon's controls, without any prior knowledge of them. And then you call me biased. At least Anakin knew what the buttons on his control panel did." Do you really think I'll let you get away with it? This is what happens when you are disingenuous and meet someone who has no love for such dishonest tactics.
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@ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel Here tou are criticising my criticism and doing what I criticised you for. "He flew it better than the other pilots" I literally said he didn't, he got shot almost instantly. Thanks for your grift, I'm not interested in reading past this part or replying to your comments. It's painfully obvious you have no interest in having an honest discussion. Arguing against a disingenuous person is a waste of time. At least other people who may read this argument will be aware of your dishonesty. Seriously, why are the all sequel defenders resorting to falacies to defend that garbage? I know why, because they don't have any valid arguments. Have a nice day.
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@v0rteks644 😂 Brilliant!
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@decay79 So you're making a claim you can't prove. Well then: what's claimed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. I have little patience to little snakes like you.
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@decay79 Because you have no facts. Slither away little snake, slither away.
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@fegeleinherman8587 male Mary Sue: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xwDzY-Z3gdU Nobody mentions this character, because that only validate the point that people don't like bad characters regardless of their gender, and thus disproving their deranged narrative.
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