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  738.  @adamgates1142  That does nothing to address what I said. What I said was that you can create your own story and/or universe that's based on another one. You wouldn't be held accountable for being faithful to the universe you're adapting from. Meanwhile if you make a movie that's supposed to take place in an already established universe you'll be criticized for the inaccuracies that have been established in it. The law has nothing to do with it. Here's an example: Blizzard wanted to make a Warhammer based game, GW said no, Blizzard made its own game based on Warhammer called Warcraft. Even though Warcraft was based on Warhammer, it was never criticized for not being faithful to Warhammer. Because it wasn't Warhammer, it was its own thing, even though it was based on Warhammer. If Blizzard made a Warhammer based game, because GW allowed them, and then they made Warcraft with Warhammer name in it, they'd be criticized for their inaccuracies. It just so happens that a company by the name of Capcom did something like that, where they made games in which had nothing to do with the franchise they slapped the name in, like Resident Evil 5 and 6. Those were action games that had nothing to do with the names associated with them and Capcom got criticized for that. If they created a new franchise with those ganes they'd never be criticized for being inaccurate to a franchise they had nothing to do with. Even if they were based on them, I'll go further and say: they wouldn't get the criticism they got even if they were spinoffs and not part of the main series. You on the other hand seem to be resorting to avoidance to pretend to addressing other people's points in order to make your argument valid.
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  840.  @altrag  Oh really? People were crying about microtransactions 20 years ago? People were complaining about games being corrupted by activists trying to push social messaging? Did people complain about single player games requiring permanent internet connection? Did people complain about games getting released in an unfinished state and companies "fixing" later? And more recently the attempt of using NFTs in games? You're delusional. I never said games 20 years ago were all better. I'm saying most devs tried to surpass the quality of either their previous work or the competition. In other words: they had quality standards. They tried new things and genres. We had way more varied genres being released by big companies than nowadays. Where are AAA horror games? Or RTS? Capcom released a bunch of horror games, now all they release is Resident Evil. Playstation 2 got 3 Fatal Frame games. Microsoft nowadays seems to be going out of its way to make the most mediocre games possible. And RPGs weren't much better either some time ago, Square Enix started dropping RPGs in favour of westernised games, that phase seems to have ended (for the most part) after the massive success of Bravely Default on the 3DS. There hasn't been a good Hallo game since the release of Halo Reach, all Halo past that point have been crap (or worse), the last Bethesda game that could be considered good was Skyrim, everything else they released were mediocre AT BEST. The drop in quality is noticeable, you have to be blind to not notice it. Why don't people complain about those issues with Indies? Maybe because Indies still retain some quality standards? Does the fact that Indie games having higher quality standards mean ALL indies are good? No. But there's definitely more care and effort put in Indie games than AAA.
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  860.  @zapperdoom4812  "EA has been around since the 80s and in part is responsible for revolutionizing how companies go about creating and marketing products." No, not anymore. The only thing EA revolutionized lately was the implementation of microtransactions and gambling practices on their games. " If EA was to disappear in this moment, no matter your opinion, everyone loses. " Wrong again. If EA disapeared it would create a precedent. The precedent that burdening premium games with microtransactions and lootboxes is a detriment to the company that resorts to it. "Their yearly releases make for good competition with other companies." There is plenty of competition. The loss of a company that dishes out mediocre games would make no difference. If anything it would again create a precedent, the precedent that making mediocre games isn't sustainable. "Sure, they've had a bad business model post-2010, but they will learn from it." No, not really. EA only backs off when it receives backlash from the consumers or when the laws in some country doesn't allow them to do what they please. "You've also gotta realize how many developers currently have the same business model- that is pushing out video games yearly at the cost of the employee's well-being. " EA being one of them. You undermine your own argument. "Look at take-two and paradox interactive for example. Sure, take-two takes more time with rockstar games, but lately is been all the same recycled content. Same with paradox interactive." Look at indie developers, Capcom, SEGA, CD Project Red and many others. They don't need EA in the slightest, they release better games than EA has ever been able to in the past decade. EA is a cancer. Cancer must be removed.
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  978.  @altrag  So the PS2 era is a long time span compared to more than a decade? Thanks for your horrible attempt of false equivalence falacy. I'll make sure to ignore your horrible takes. I'm not referring to drop of quality of my chosen franchises, I'm talking in general. Most AAA games are safe and risk free, more concerned in pushing political messaging than providing a good gameplay experience. I never said anything about the reaction of non devs when faced with games, I am talking about inside decisions. Nice strawmanning. You can be sure as hell quality won't come from Microsoft in the next years, they've been trying their hardest on pushing mediocrity and don't seem to be willing to change that. And by mentioning Minecraft you just prove my point, quality comes mostly from Indies nowadays. Many big companies were big and kept growing because they had quality. EA was responsible for some of the greatest games ever made. Only to drop off their quality standards. From NFSMW (one of the best racing games ever) to Battlefront, that earned a boycott by many players. And you say it's the same. We'd expect garbage to come from Indies, but Indie games that are far better than most AAA games sure were unheard of until recently. The AAA industry standards of the present doesn't prioritise quality, it prioritises monetisation, any product is a good product as long as it justifies draconian monetisation. Then they spend nore money on advertising than on the game production to push it. Quality is no longer a selling reason. Something similar happens with music, advertising before quality. Somethings change, some do not. The industry changed tactics, it has a much higher focus on advertising than before. There's barely any quality coming from western AAA companies nowadays. You're blind.
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  1461.  @Arrakiz666  It feels like you're trying to poison the well here and I'm not OK with it, I'm not poisoning the well, the well has been poisoned by SJWs, you're just accusing the guy that said "the well water is not good to drink" as the one who made it that way. We're talking about cancel culture, not about internet hate mobs. If the problem as you astutely pointed out, existed before SJWs, why is this suddenly such a big problem now? Because: 1. SJWs made it worse. 2. They turned a problem into something socially acceptable. 3. They're not solving any issue 4. They cancel anyone, regardless of race, sexual orientation or political spectrum. Angry Joe is SJW as SJW can be and was banned (from sjw dominated websites), harassed and accused of rape after he made clear TLOU2 wasn't good. When SJWs use their wild cards of "fighting racism/sexism/etc" and someone who they claim are "protecting" disagrees with them they get cancelled all the same. All they do is to push their deranged narrative to absurd levels. Is this ok to you? youtube (dot) com/watch?v=YmfqRunW4Ro&t=562s This is the consequences of SJW influence. Pedophiles, fascists, authoritarians of all stripes existed on the internet forever, what's so different about this new group? Because before SJWs they weren't socially accepted by the majority, SJWs try to make them socially accepted by pushing their narrative. As I said before, when a right winger is a pedophile their ilk try to cover up. They know pedophilia is bad, they know if they're found out the pedophile will have to face justice. SJWs just want pedophiles be pedophiles without fearing any repercusions. SJWs ENDORSE pedophilia. SJWs don't solve problems, they make existing problems worse and create new problems. They solve nothing. Why was it never a problem for you when only the most vulnerable people, racial and sexual minorities, were targeted? It was always a problem, and SJWs never solved any problem, they just made it worse. Why is it only suddenly a problem when it affects, well... privileged people? Of course, if it's "white, male, Christian, and conservative" that means they're automatically privileged. Because race, gender, religion or political affiliation is synonym of privilege... Oh wait, no it isn't, it just means you're a racist, sexist and a xenophobe. The problem is still there. the difference is that what could once have been seen as a problem is now something you don't see a problem. And SJWs still have no problem to cancel non white/straight/male/etc. SJWs just cancel people they don't like. That's why SJWs are malicious. They do the bad things that have been bad since EVER and use it for their own benefit while at the same time they justify their actions. SJWs are sexists, racists and all kind of ists they hypocritically cry about while they masquerade it as social activism. And that's a fact. I know you probably hate that word, but it's just a word, it can't hurt you and it has a specific meaning. I don't hate words, I'm not an SJW. I just have a problem when you use them to make a false statement, which you did.
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  1598. *****  "If your computer goes down you don't play at all." Pretty dumb comparison, dumb to the point of making me think if your parents are related. If your console goes down you can't play either. "I just watched him kill some kind of butterfly/dragon in 3 wackes with a pike axe... WHOOOPIE!  Big challenge ..." Same as above. Apparently you don't know what video editing is. Quality is recognized by objective analysis. Objectivity has nothing to do with opinions. So quaity is not a point of view. "What does that have to do with anything?" Quoting yourself: "As far as your anti-virus firewall... if you over-ride as might be required to down load your mod then it is by-passed, and your system can still be infected." You brought the subject yourself, and now you're trying to dodge it. "When you play your game on your PC you will not be live on my console game or can even play with those with consoles" http://www.pcgamer.com/street-fighter-v-will-allow-pc-and-ps4-players-to-beat-each-other-up/ Did I already mention PC games are cheaper? And not limited to the tank controls of console controlers? And have free online play? And exclusive genres (instead of 3 or 4 excusives on consoles)? However I shouldn't say the XBone or the PS4 are actual consoles, they're more like watered down PC's. The only TRUE console worth of that term (and owning) is the Wii U. BTW What made me join the discusion wasn't the fact of you not liking DS. It was the fact of you not liking DS AND prefering CoD, which is just a very shitty game.
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  2062.  @jaxsonburch-eo1vz  They didn't always delivered, but some of the best games of all time came from them. Prince of Persia, Need For Speed Underground and Most Wanted, Metal Gear Solid. Iconic games that are remembered as some of the best games of their generation (or ever made). Where's that quality now? Ubisoft releases formulaic chore based garbage. All their games extremely similar to the previous, EA makes micro transaction ridden garbage, both crawling with woke social message (even racist, such is the case of the announced AC, which has caused outrage among Japanese players) and Konami doesn't even need an explanation. I just have the examples of 3 garbage (not mid) games because those are the ones that I can remember, those games are forgotten and I have a hard time remembering them. But there are way more than just 3. Most games Microsoft released in the past 10 years have been mediocre to crap, with only a few being decent to good. But hey, keep giving excuses. I bet you'll love Suicide Squad. And I played most of the games you mentioned, I'm very aware of the few good games that are released. The problem is that they're harder to find than in the 90's and yearly to mid 2000's. There's so much garbage I need to dig through to find them, it's insane. Last of us 2, that's a good one. 😂 And you can't play OW1 no more. It was replaced by a garbage sequel. Assassin's Creed Odyssey is crap too. Metal Gear 5 was made while Hideo Kojima was working in Konami, why not use Metal Gear Survive as a more recent example of a Konami game? Shadow of Colossus is a PS2 game. Nintendo hasn't lost its way, and my criticism doesn't include them (not the lack of quality part). It can be argued that if Nintendo games are good, that's because they retained their quality standards from the past. Mass Effect 2 was the last good Bioware game they made, Mass Effect 2 was released in 2010. The more I go through your list, the more flaws I see.
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  2190.  @xXREDstoneMANXx  If their religion was fine why is a regime ruled by their religion so oppressive? You dislike how people are treated, but you're fine with the root cause of that? It makes no sense. Other muslim countries don't like that because they are under regimes not ruled by islam's clergy, and Iran's regime hates those countries because of that. Islam's regime wants those regimes destroyed and replaced with their own. I've met many wonderful Muslims First, that's anecdotal. Second I never said anything against civilians who practice a religion being bad. Are drugs bad? Yes. Are the people who take drugs bad? Not necessarily. Same thing. If you strawman my arguments, I'll call you out on that. Tbh, it is just like your only ever seen negative things come from religion, and that has shaped your worldview, Wars were waged for the sake of religion, people used religion to justify torture and killing, religion is bad and obsolete. Besides, I'm advocating for human rights. How many people used Human Rights to justify torture and killing? 0 How many wars were waged for the sake of Human Rights? 0 People would still be wholesome if religion didn't exist. There would still be fucked up people if religion didn't exist. I never came close to deny that. What I said was that if religion didn't exist there would be one less reason for people to be fucked up. There are bad things that only exist because religions exist, whereas good things can still exist regardless of there being religions or not. That's a fact.
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  3440.  @ALookIntoTheEulenspiegel  Anakin didn't run a business, he built stuff. No, Rey isn't a Mary Sue JUST because she can repair an airship the first time she gets in it, despite its owners not be able to. She follows a pattern where she can pull every kind of stunts when it's convenient to her, despite having literally 0 experience or knowledge for her to be able to do it. She repaired a ship, even though nothing points to her knowing how. She flies a ship, even though nothing points to her knowing how. She uses mind trick on a soldier, even though nothing points to her knowing how. She beats a sith despite never handling a light saber. This is a pattern. A pattern that is still present in the next movies right up to the end. Rummaging through garbage doesn't give you knowledge on how to repair or build what you're rummaging. A person that rummages through a bakery trashcan doesn't learn how to bake by rummaging on trash. MaRey Sue DID NOT work with space ships, at no point in the movie such thing is mentioned. The only thing the movie established was that she was a scavenger. Rey is 100% a Mary Sue. Anakin DID NOT invent a race car. Anakind DID NOT sell parts, Wattoo did. Anakin WORKED with machines and repaired them. Anakin built a race pod based on knowledge he acquired from working on Wattoo's shop. Anakin also had experience in racing in them. The movie literally tells us that. Also his pod wasn't perfect, it stalled at the start. Making stuff up just proves your intellectual dishonesty and nothing more. Breaking the universe rules makes does make a Mary Sue, which Rey did, several times. Rey is 100% a Mary Sue. The only one who is biased here is you. Projection. Can't say I'm surprised.
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  3794. ​ @engineeringtheweirdguy2103  you really have no idea what you’re talking about do you? Oh, so I don't know that discharged batteries will deteriorate in a matter of months if they aren't charged? (guess all battery manuals must be wrong then) Apparently I also don't know that Lithium batteries have a tendency of exploding and bursting to flames if something goes wrong. I also don't know that the lithium battery inventor and Nobel prize winner, John B Goodenough, disliked lithium batteries (because they have a tendency to explode and burst into flames) to the point of trying to make a safer alternative with Sodium based batteries. (since I haven't heard of it anymore, I assume it didn't go well) I also don't know that lithium batteries electrolyte is a gel based substance that can't prevent lithium to create ramifications (like a tree root or branch) and reach the other side of the battery causing a short circuit. (which makes them explode and burst into flames) I also don't know that proprietary batteries aren't as easily replaced as market standard batteries, especially if they're hardwired. I also don't know that farmers are forced to hack their own equipment to repair it. Oh wait, I do. Even medical equipment is getting to the point of not being repairable. Let me emphasys on this one: Companies are making sure that MEDICAL EQUIPMENT, WHICH IS USED TO SAVE PEOPLE'S LIVES, CAN'T BE REPAIRED, putting people's lives at risk. Companies are literally (as literal the word "literally" can get) putting people's lives at risk for the sake of profit. LITERALLY While the EU is cracking down on repairability (although very slowly and inefficiently), the US is going the complete opposite way. With lobbyists working as hard as they can to prevent the Right to Repair bill to pass. Guess I don't know any of this. And apparently, neither do you. Have a quick google at the required servicing to keep a model 3 in warrantee over the 8 year timeframe. It’s zero. A blank list. On paper, yes. In the real world the electronics are more prone to malfunction than mechanical devices. And that's due a simple well known engineering factor: The more complicated something is the more points of failure it has.
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  4618.  @BaschBarrage  The feeling of billions of people is still worthless. 0 multiplied by a billion is still 0 I'm not part of their culture, I have no obligation to abide by their rules. Besides, their arbitrary rules are based on a fantasy that they treat it as real. I don't ask for people take my fantasies seriously, so I'm not going to take other people's fantasies seriously either. I'm not making excuses to offend others. If you want to be offended, be offended. I don't care. This is not an excuse, IT'S A FACT. I literally don't care if you get offended or not. Besides, they get offended simply because someone tells them to be offended, someone that represents a, ideology based on a fantasy. I just need to read the first sentence to know theTurd takes from Andregon are worthless :) So are your feelings. And your opinion based on nothing other that your feelings. But hey, thank you for admitting your Intellectual dishonesty, it says a lot about you. And by the way, I'm not arguing with you to make you change your ideas, I'm exposing your unintelligent narrative for everyone who will read the comments. Since you have no valid points, rely on insults, falacies and dishonest tactics, and I'm exposing them, I'd say I'm doing a good job. there will be people who would doVīŏlèncè in the name of Jesus/Buddha/Cow/Devas/etc... then dont play victim after doing so If you are target of violence you're not playing victim, YOU ARE A VICTIM I'm suspecting you don't know how things work. No drawings or words justify violence. But violence justifies jail time. P.S. Ironic that you started replying to me questioning my age (Quote: "like I said, andre sound like under20, go do theSchool homework, then its bed time :)") and using it for your Ad Hominem, and now you're the one throwing childish comments (quote: "I just need to read the first sentence to know theTurd takes from Andregon are worthless :)" and Quote: "Andregon might love eatingTúrd, but others dont."). It really makes your childishness stand out. I guess you're an hypocrite after all.
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  4619.  @BaschBarrage  You never gave any answer. All you did was throw falacies at me. Just because you typed some words that doesn't mean they're valid. Falacies are called falacies for a reason. And I called you out on those falacies. I don't know if you realized, but you lost any credibility as soon as you started to use falacies as an argument. Which was right at the beginning. Any narrative that requires falacies to work, is a worthless false narrative. No exceptions. And yet the existence of such rules didn't prevent wars, torture, oppression, genocide, etc. If anything, many of those terrible events wouldn't even happen if religion didn't exist. Rules may be important, I'm not denying that, but you don't need a religion to make them. The Human Rights are a set of rules that are simply superior to anything any religion ever came up with. That's reality. look at muricans, how easy it is to just give an excuse of a person havingMèntáIiIInèss and the person get less consequences for what they have done.. It's not just americans, mental illnesses is a serious and real issue that requires treatment, and every developed country recognizes that. A mentally ill person isn't necessarily responsible of their actions, no one should be responsible for something that's out of their control. It's no one's fault that someone is born with a birth defect. Mental illness is not an excuse. and whats the result of that, the result is more crīmīnál acts in muricans.. Americans have laws that punish people who break them. If that doesn't stop criminals from breaking them, a set of arbitrary rules you make up won't stop them either. The difference being that your set of rules can be interpreted in a way that justifies comitting terrible deeds, unlike laws properly made. why, because they know how to ease the outcome, by the excuse ofMèntáIiIInèss if caught.. Again, not true. Mental illness, being a medical condition can be proved. If you're not mentally ill, you can't use mental illness as an excuse to get away with it, meanwhile many people got away with killing and torturing by using religion as an excuse. is this what Andregon called humanrights? No it isn't. More falacies, that's very disingenuous of you to keep rely on falacies after I called you out on so many of them, and you never contested that. Human rights are written and available for everyone to see, you can search them up. No one in the Human Rights state that people can commit crimes and using any form of excuse to do them. Religion became instantly obsolete as soon as the human rights were created. Religion was unable to stop wars, genocides, torture, killing, etc. And in some cases it even justified that. In those cases those events only happened BECAUSE RELIGION EXISTED This is a fact. Human Rights can't be used to justify wars, genocides, torture or anything of the sort. Religion is no longer useful. Religion has become a problem since the moment people started to kill for the sake of religion. That's the moment religion became bad, that's the moment religion should cease to exist. that is why I asked to imagine a world where there's no rèIīgīŏn, yes nèandèrthaI sávágès :) The only savage here is the one that defends a practice that, to this day, is used as an excuse to perform the most abhorrent actions. A world with no religion would be a slightly better world to live in, since there would be one less reason to be a horrible person. Aside from that, it would still be pretty much the same thing. :)
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  5121.  @HaveYouTriedGuillotines  YOU were the one who started this "no u" game. Oh really? Let's see now shall we? I said: I find ironic you say your country drifted too far to the right when most things you said are perpetrated by the left and left pandering companies. As a reply to your original comment. Let's check that shall we? You said and I quote: Louis doesn't seem to understand that we live in the age of market fascism, post modern ideology, and violent activism. What "violent activism" has been happening in the last few months? BLM, which is: A- Left as fuck B- Violent as fuck What violent right activism has been happening recently? This is not a rethoric, I'm really not aware of any. Also you mentioned "market fascism". An expression as vague as vague can be, it means nothing, especially when companies are pandering so much to the left some of them, like Twitter, Reddit, Twitch, YouTube, etc, are taking action, by demonitizing and outright banning, videos, topics, people, groups, etc that are right leaning. Also what's the most fascist movement out there at the moment? Antifa, which is left. And "post modern ideology" you say? What kind of ideology is woke culture if not modern? There has never been woke ideology up until the 21st century, and, to counter your "market fascism" verbiage even more, companies are getting more woke than never (and going bankrupt because of that). Have you seen Disney, Holywood and NBA pandering to China, which is left, and shafting employees that talk against the Chinese system? I sure as hell did. I also witnessed Marvel coming with a new comic, woke as fuck, just to be shutdown in a month. These are simple facts, simple apolitical facts, facts don't lean either left or right. Facts are just facts, part of the reality we all live in, and a part of a reality that I don't deny, unlike you. I CORRECTLY called you out on your flaws, What flaws? All you did was making wild accusations without ever even attempting to defend anything you said. You didn't even put a shred of effort proving anything you said. If you "correctly" called me on my flaws I'd like to see you prove it. If you know you're correct, you also have the evidence for it. I'd like to see that. Case in point: I will reply to whatever I want, you projecting, right wing demagogue You still call me right winger even though I'm not. Calling right wing to anyone who disagrees with you is a dumb tactic for people unable to defend themselves or their narrative/argument. all you've done is then project them onto other people. INCLUDING your rampant and constant projection And more "no, u" narrative. You're dumb as a brick. After calling you out on it you just doubledown on it. What are you trying to accomplish? prove my point even more? YOU engage in double speak, YOU project, and YOU are the one making meaningless noise. YOU are the problem here. YOU need to correct yourself. https://dictionary.cambridge.org/pt/dicionario/ingles/irony I know why you're acting like that. You're accusing the right wing of everything bad that's happening because your precious and flawless system is failing, and the more you double down on it the harder it fails. Since you're unable to realise your own failure you go on a sperg rant as to how is "the other one's fault" as you refuse to accept reality as it is. You also refuse to give any arguments because you probably already lost so many discussions on the internet, and your points have been debunked to hell and back, that your only defense left is making accusations on anyone who questions what little you have left (a copy paste from some guy on the internet) in a futile attempt to discredit them. Seriously, having a discussion with you is as fruitless as having a discussion with a flat earther. Both have no facts, both resort to childish tactics, both try to discredit the person that disagrees with them with ridiculous accusations, both defend their cults as the fanatics you are. TL;DR Common sense, reality and/or facts are NOT political. Nor do they lean left or right. I don't care if you're left or right, if you're wrong I'll call you out on it regardless. I don't care if your ilk calls me a right winger and the right wingers call me left winger. All I care for are facts, something you were unable to present. All you managed to prove was your inability to have a civilized conversation.
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  5135.  @sonquan5492  The "facts" that I dismissed as claims are claims. And if being angry at some videogame is the worst that happens ro you then you have a very privileged life. What's so hard to understand? Videogames are videogames, they are inconsequential, you don't break bones, you don't get gashes, you don't get scarred. People don't know you, minor humiliations like this never stick for long because you're not forced to hang with the same people constantly bringing up what is a minor event by itself. Children tend to quickly recover from minor incidents like this by getting their attention caught on something else and completely forgetting about it. Chances are, the kid had already forgotten about what happened in the video by the time it was uploaded. And nobody said I was wrong you say? Please read Teratoma's comment. And saying "there are studies" is as valid as saying that "there are studies that the earth is flat". In other words: more claims. I open up to proven facts, not arguments backed up by people's feelings. I never tried to act tough, all I did when I talked about me was with the intent of showing how shitty my life was. Just because when you talk about yourself you do it to elevate yourself among others, that doesn't mean other people do it when they talk about themselves. I'll stop projecting when you stop projecting. See? I can also accuse you of projection. There's nothing relevant about accusing others of projection. Another tactic to dismiss someone else's arguments without providing rebuttals.
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  5141.  @Bro-dot-  Add seeing less qualified people getting promoted because they're in cahoots with the boss, or the disparity of salaries (the minimum wage here is way lower than the EU average), or having the director's ass kissers getting all the benefits. Having to do the job of the absent staff or the staff that the direction should hire, because they're understaffed and the directors are more interested in stealing from the company than to hire more people. Or what about more personal examples? A kid that grows having everything they could ask for and not being able to manage their money, because they were never taught that. Having their partner leaving without a trace after the electricity gets cut off only to realize that they never paid the electricity bills and they were hoarding or spending the money elsewhere, and leaving you with a huge debt to pay because you trusted them and the debt is in your name and they get away with it scot free. Or getting diagnosed with some messed up illness. There are so many things that can go wrong, I'd spend all day talking about them. And I admit to have a very limited knowledge, because I don't like gossiping and usually stay away from other people's lives. But some of these examples happened pretty close to where I live, as in a couple houses from mine, with one of my father's tenants, or several. Life isn't an utopia, but parents can make kids live in one. And changing a lifestyle like that to one where you have to fend for yourself is a big shock to many.
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