Comments by "115islands Compass" (@115islandscompass6) on "Today I Found Out"
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@cmaxz817
I know the historical fact that the United States promised independence (as a lure) to cooperate with the local Filipinos in the war in order to seize the Philippines, which was a Spanish colony, and then broke the promise.
However, the theory that Japan also tried to make Indonesia a lure for independence does not match some historical facts.
Below are two of them.
Japan knew from the beginning that it couldn't keep fighting the United States for years, and that if the fight was prolonged, it would lose to the United States.
In other words, the Japanese knew that it would be impossible to keep Indonesia under Japanese rule for long, and they also told the Indonesian people about it.
I think it is impossible to make independence a "lure" in this situation.
In the short period of three and a half years from the landing in Indonesia to the defeat, with indonesian people, the Japanese army had improved the education system, strengthened the military power, and infrastructure in order to "teach the Indonesian people everything we Japanese know."
Those developments were done at an unusual speed.
However, in the end, about 2,000 Japanese soldiers who thougt that "with such short-term military training alone indonesia cannot counter the Dutch troops that try to invade again" had fought the Indonesian National Revolution with the Indonesian soldiers.
And, because the Indonesian Declaration of Independence on August 17, 1945 was prepared at the house of Maeda Tadashi, who was a Major General of the Japanese Navy, the Netherlands accused Japan of "the Japanese army instructed the preparation of the Indonesian Independence Declaration".
How do you think about the historical fact that Soekarno and Hatta prepare the Declaration of Independence at Maeda's house?
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@cmaxz817
Looking at the records of the Cabinet at that time, the Japanese government did not refuse Indonesia's independence.
There were the opinions that the desire of Indonesian people for independence should be fulfilled, and Japan should let them to do that.
On the other hand, there were cautious opinions like "Recognizing premature independence can lead to internal turmoil. Indonesian independence should wait until Indonesia's administrative capacity is sufficient."
As a result, they decided to put them under military administration "for the time being".
It seems that Indonesia was so important to Japan that it had to be very cautious about making decisions that would change that trend significantly.
It is true that the British troops went to Indonesia as "coordinators" by the UN decision after World War II, but their purposes were to disarmament the Japanese troops, return the Japanese to Japan, and to protect the property of the Dutch.
On the other hand, the Japanese army under the control of the United Nations was obliged to preserve Indonesia as it was.
In other words, the Japanese army was not allowed to participate in any Indonesia's independence movement.
However, there were some Japanese who pretended not to see the Indonesians who were taking Japanese army’s weapons away and some Japanese actively released the arsenal storages.
As a result, a large amount of weapons passed from the Japanese army to the Indonesian.
Why did the Japanese give them weapons, even though they knew that the act was a breach of UN obligations and could be accused?
The reason Suekarno and Hatta hesitated to declare independence was that they were worried that the armed uprising of young people would lead to a civil war in Indonesia. It was not because the Japanese military instract not to declare independence.
After Suekarno and Hatta were kidnapped on 8/16, they promised young people to declare of independence on 8/17.
And then they went to the Maeda's house with Soebardjo by themselves to prepare the Declaration of Independence.
The above can be confirmed by the memoir of Soebardjo in later years.
On more thing, about the treatment of Tadashi Maeda as a traitor by the newspaper:
In occupied Japan which was under Allied control, the GHQ wiped out all important positions, not to mention politicians, and replaced those who were obedient to the GHQ.
Of course, the same thing was done at newspaper companies.
The GHQ also stipulated control of speech.
Articles, including even the slightest denial of the Allies, were not allowed in the newspaper.
Therefore, it can be misleading to think that newspaper articles at that time directly reflect Japanese public opinion.
And this is still the case today.
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@cmaxz817
International law stipulates that ownership of public and private property remains the same whether during a war or abroad.
So, for example, even in Indonesia, the buildings built by the Netherlands are their property.
And if you destroy such property, you have to pay compensation.
In other words, Japan did had to maintain Dutch property NOT because it lost the war, BUT because in any case it had to.
In fact, after independence, the Indonesian government paid for and bought the property left by the Netherlands.
It is a fact that Indonesian youth stole Japanese weapons.
However, it is also a fact that the Japanese pretended not to see what they were stealing.
It is also a fact that there were some Japanese who unlocked the warehouse and left the door open to make it easier to steal.
In response to your point that the Japanese government "thought this way," I already argued that it was misunderstanding, based on the minutes of the Cabinet at that time.
What is your basis?
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@dadyrocks49
working to wake up?
For example, what are you doing specifically?
According to polls, 70% of Japanese do not like China, despite the close relationship between China and Japan.
They are already aware of the dangers of CCP. In other words, it can be said that 70% of Japanese are already "woked up".
This survey was done before the election of USA, so "the dislike %" should be higher now.
And the Self-Defense Forces should be cooperating with the US military to the extent permitted by Article 9.
However, the system that GHQ built after the war to make Japan a "nation that will never war" by WGIP is still binding firmly Japan.
One of the WGIP's measures taken by GHQ during the occupation was to wipe out conservatives from key positions in various social parts, such as governments, parliaments, newspapers, universities and educational institutions etc., of Japan. And instead of them, GHQ put left-wing people in those key positions.
At that time, some hidden Communists were among those who pretended to be the left.
MacArthur later noticed this failure and tried to eliminate the Communists, but could not completely eliminate them.
They have maintained their vested interests and been still secretly eroding Japan from the inside.
And of course they are connected to CCP now.
The video says that the Japanese are not taught true history. But, in reality, the so-called "history written by the victorious countries" written by the Allies has been taught in Japan.
As MacArthur said after returning to the US, the Pacific War was a self-defense war for Japan.
Nevertheless, Japanese students have been taught the history written by the victorious countries still now. In order to make the victorious nation look like "justice," its "history" emphasizes Japan as an evil invader, with many fabrications inserted into it.
The GHQ forced Japan to educate such a miserable history in order to brainwash Japanese and destroy the patriotism of the Japanese and prevent them from having the spirit of "protecting Japan."
If the United States really wants to awaken Japan, it must break this system, but Japan's vested interests will not easily allow it.
The United States only telling the Japanese to wake up is as cruel and irresponsible as telling those sleeping in a casket deeply trapped in the ground to wake up.
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The Nanjing Massacre itself was Chiang Kai-shek's propaganda and fake news.
Here are some of the important facts that are somehow ignored.
❶ It was Chiang Kai-shek who announced that the Japanese army had carried out a massacre in Nanjing. But, Chiang Kai-shek escaped before the Japanese troops arrived in Nanking. He had the Shanghai reporters write the articles as he requested.
❷ There were European journalists who accompanied the Japanese army, but they did not report the “genocide” even after the war.
The journalists mentioned above were not even asked to testify at the Tokyo Tribunal.
❸CCP insists that the number of victims is 300,000 “for now”, but the number of unarmed people in Nanjing the National Revolutionary Army announced before fled from Nanjing was 200,000.
And when the Japanese troops left Nanjing, there were about 250,000 citizens in Nanjing. This can be confirmed by the number of "certificates of good people (armbands)" that the Japanese military asked Nanjing citizens to wear to distinguish between citizens and stool soldiers.
The reason why the number of "good people" is larger than the number announced by the National Revolutionary Army is that Nanjing citizens who had been evacuated for fear of fighting returned Nanking.
❹The "genocide" reported by Chiang Kai-shek was not substantively proved in the Tokyo Tribunal.
Most of the testimony of the pastor who was only one witness were "stories heard from others." The testimony about what the pastor actually saw with his own eyes is as follows:
"Two Japanese soldiers found a Chinese trying to escape into a safe zone. The Japanese told the Chinese to stop, but the Chinese did not stop escaping. Then Chinese were shot. "
Then, the decision made in the Tokyo Tribunal was the hanging of one general who was responsible for entering Nanjing for "murder of less than 100,000 people."
And there are other many grounds, but there are too many, so I will omit them.
In addition, all of the books about Nanjing massacre are hearsay records, many of the photographs on it are composited, and one-shots of anti-Japanese video works made in the 1980s are also included.
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@Yee R
Sigh, as a Japanese, I cannot understand the self-deception of the American people.
Americans always say to have helped rebuild Japan after the war. However, that is doubtful from the Japanese point of view.
American people says, "We have provided food assistance to Japan."
However, that "food" was livestock feed in the United States.
And the United States demanded a price several times higher than the regular price and made Japan pay it.
Japan's food self-sufficiency rate had declined as the US measures had reduced agricultural land.
On the other hand, hyperinflation occurred to maintain the rich life of the occupying forces.
As a result, many people starved to death, mainly orphans from the air raids.
The Eloa Foundation was done by Japanese Americans, not by the US government.
Nevertheless, the US government had set high interest rates on its repayment.
There is always a mechanism for US "help" or “support” to generate US profits, and it is more appropriate to regard it as “exploitation” rather than help or support.
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@Yee R
•About MacArthur
Haha Do not Americans use diplomatic rhetoric?
MacArthur started by denying the Japanese system altogether.
One of the WGIP actions taken by GHQ during the occupation wiped out conservatives from key positions in various areas such as the Government of Japan, Parliament, newspapers, universities and educational institutions. And instead left-wing people were placed in those key positions.
There was a hidden communist among those people.
And GHQ released criminals detained by law to crack down on Communists.
When these made the Communists stronger, GHQ tried to eliminate them, but could not do it completely.
Communists in power are still confusing Japanese politics.
And GHQ brought individualism and materialism to Japan as a "reconstruction".
For example, their agriculture recontruction destroyed the traditionally inherited mutual aid community agricultural structure.
In Japan, where there are many natural disasters, a system in which landowners who had large lands hired farmers to work and cared for their welfare was a system in which everyone can live happily. It was based on the disposition of the Japanese who care for each other, and was also the foundation for fostering that disposition.
GHQ also killed Shinto. Forbidden to teach Shinto to children is like banning reading the Bible in the United States, I think.
By Americanizing Japan, Americans ideologically brainwashed, corrupted, and extinct the Japanese.
So, I think GHQ did not rebuild, but colonize.
I was surprised when former President Trump tweeted, "Where did the samurai go?" Because it was the United States that wanted to eradicate the samurai and actually did so.
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@Yee R
The knowledge and perception of Shinto and the emperor that you base your perspective on is wrong in the first place.
The emperor was consistently opposed to the war.
Hideki Tojo was nominated as Prime Minister in emperor’s attempt to avoid the war. This was because Tojo was highly respected and admired by the military for his personality, which always cares for his subordinates.
So, he was expected to controlling the power from the military saying, "We should fight against the approaching Western powers," and overcoming a difficult situation in diplomacy.
Therefore, when the emperor told the people that "Japan has exhausted all its diplomacy and there is no other way than war," the people obeyed.
Hideki Tojo is also misunderstood.
During his time as governor of Manchuria, 20,000 Jewish refugees fleeing persecution in Germany on the Trans-Siberian Railway once sought help and protection at the Manchurian border. At that time, Japan had already formed an alliance with Germany. (By the way, it is believed that this was to prevent Germany from giving weapons and support to the Chinese warlords.) However, with their relief based on humanitarianism, in response to an officer who asked for permission to help and protect them, and support the trip to the United States, it was Hideki Tojo who allowed all of supports and moved the army to do so.
The name of the officer who sought permittion was later engraved on the Jewish golden monument. However, it is clear that many refugees could not have been saved without the permission and support of Hideki Tojo.
To consider Shinto to be still worshiped in Japan today is the same as to regard that the Japanese are worshiping Christianity based on that Japanese people, who have never touched the Bible, enjoy Christmas parties or give presents each other on Valentine's Day.
It remains in Japanese life as a cultural event, but it is no longer a religion for most Japanese.
I think it's natural to think that the "samurai" that former President Trump said refers to the spirit of the samurai, though.
In other words, I think he wanted to say, "Where did the Bushido spirit go?"
And the "extinct thing" I said is also the spirit of Bushido.
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