Comments by "" (@golfery5119) on "What New Air Force Recruits Go Through In Boot Camp | Boot Camp" video.

basic was sleep before?
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@lazycatt287 well see if he actually answers, but you should be good to go with at least a 60 (really even more with a 70). Yes the minimum is way lower (36) but since the Air Force is more selective than the Army (Army is largest branch with lowest standards), you'll want to score as high as possible to make yourself stand out more. If you can't get a hold of a AF recruiter thats in your area (since AF recruiters have a reputation of being harder to work with and moving slower than Army. Again AF is a smaller branch with higher standards), I would even suggest maybe going to the Army recruiter and having the Army recruiter set you up for the ASVAB and when you get a good score on it, then going to the Air Force recruiter with your score.
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@seanpruitt3496 I really don't get why people dog other branches and take so much pride in how hard they got dicked in the butt during military basic training which is pretty much a prison sentence.
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Don't forget for a much longer time a out the barracks too. Air force let's their unmarried enlisted leave the barracks (dorms) at the rank of E4 (and apparently there are some cases of e3s being allowed to move out) while army and Marines in most cases won't let unmarried enlisted leave the barracks until e6. Something to think about in itself.
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Air Force training is called basic military training (Army is basic combat training). It's not called "boot camp" lol I don't know why that was put in the title.
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Not all of us who didn't go AF got bad scores. I went Army and my ASVAB AFQT was 88.
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@fmpairsoft9039 dude, I went army (though honestly had I known more about the differences I probably would have joined air force instead)... But with your score why the hell would you want a mos that you're not going to be doing your job, and instead you're going to be scrubbing toilets and mowing lawns and doing gate guard? Seriously? I can see an officer wanting to do peacetime infantry because since theyre officers they don't have to deal with all the bullshit lower enlisted are put through. But to enlist in peacetime infantry where you are put to doing menial tasks so much more than other mos because you have nothing to do (we aren't in any wars right now. It is peacetime) is beyond crazy especially with your score That's like somebody with a college degree who seriously wants to work as an unskilled day laborer. You're not the first one I've seen like that but still I'd think peacetime infantry over before doing it.
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@fmpairsoft9039 OK. Hope you get a good sergeant who will actually put in very quickly for you to do schools, so you don't spend so much of your time sitting in a motorpool all day or being a janitor like so many other 11bravos that I know who all thought they would be doing the same high speed stuff you mentioned but other things got in the way instead (politics and bad leadership who care way more about management and making themselves look good than they care about their subordinates) .
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@lazycatt287 You already took the ASVAB? Remember you're not obligated to anything until you actually swear in and ship out. If you do got to go Army though then hoah. Hope you get a decent MOS and not something that'll have you sweeping out connexes in a motorpool all day or mowing lawns.
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why?
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@B_radd I think maybe it might be jealousy since more people in the air force overall do not have to deal with the same nonsense and ridiculousness that so many people in the army and marines do.
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@B_radd I myself won't forget the first time I saw the differences up close. Before I was told by a couple of people "join the air force because they're nicer and treat you better". "Nicer and treat you better" was meaningless to me (as it is to so many other people). I did call an ad recruiter but I got disinterested when he told me about weight limit so I went with army instead (really because I knew the army had a tape test. I have a large neck so I can pass. Looking back I should have physically gone to air force recruiting office) I was in ait at fort Lee and we did joint training with the other branches. We army trainees after class were forced to stand in formations lasting like an hour or longer and wait for our NCOs to get us. Sometimes we'd get smoked when the NCOs showed up and saw how restless some of the trainees had gotten. We had trainees assigned to be platoon guides but they were not allowed to march us. We saw that the air force and navy trainees were allowed to be marched by their platoon guides IMMEDIATELY after they were done with class. They did not have to stand around and wait forever for their NCOs like the army trainees had to do. Even the instructors pointed that out and talked about it. That's something that even when I go back and look online now, I still don't see people talk about. Then I found out later one the detail about how so many air force people get to do their own pt (had an air force e6 on deployment tell me hed been in air force for 10 years and hadn't done organized pt in 8 years). Shorter deployments, less if any time in the field, actually do their job instead of the motorpool,. Less if any ta50 layouts,. Get to move out of the barracks at E4 instead of e6 like army soldiers and marines have to do, less if any ruck matches, etc. Nevermind their basic is shorter (iny basic we had gotten done with the forge like three weeks before graduation. So our last few weeks were spent doing nothing but weapons cleaning and getting smoked by drill sergeants because we had nothing else to do and the drill sergeants themselves were restless). Their reception apparently doesn't have them standing out in formations for several hours at a time like army recruits (I saw a an air force basic video where one guy said he had never had to stand up without moving for thirty minutes before. Thirty minutes?! In army reception we had to stand up without moving for well over three or four hours at a time!). They apparently don't do ruck marches in their basic. And I've heard that during their last graduation requirement ( beast week") they even sleep in tents (whereas we had to sleep on the ground) and they even have showers! I bet they even have cleaner toilets (our toilets on the forge were all literally filled up to the rims with feces). So yeah it's easy to see why soldiers and marines get jealous of air force and I'm sure while navy doesn't have it as good as air force, they still have it better than army and Marines too.
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@B_radd personally the most physically difficult thing in army basic was the ruck marching. It was more the mental nonsense (mass punishments for something a drill sergeant got mad at somebody else about. Sometimes another trainee in my platoon, sometimes a trainee in another platoon could get the whole company smoked). The reception was something I thought was one of the most difficult things I had to do in my life with the sheer nonsense of having to stand out in the heat of the day and cold at night for hours and hours on end. .I wonder how reception is for marines (already know air force recruits don't have to be in formations for anywhere near that long. Don't think navy would have to do it that long either). Basic was the best time of my life that I would not want to do again though.
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@B_radd it is what it is now but still there at times when I wish I could have joined air force instead. Just with being in the barracks. I don't have a girlfriend right now so unless I get a mail order bride I won't be moving out of the barracks anytime soon. Wish I could move out the barracks now as an E4 like air force (or at least when I make e5) instead of having to wait several more years to be an e6
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@B_radd haven't seen anything about space force except for some video supposedly about basic which I couldn't tell was real or some kind of joke. As of army and promotions yes but I think that's because we are the biggest branch but I also think maybe some mos are "bigger" than others (the army may want a tens of thousands of people in one mos but only may want a total of a few thousand in another. So army may want as many people as possible to be infantry or cooks but may only want just a small handful of people as radiology specialist). And in some cases like infantry or cooks the job might suck so bad that so many people get out of them leaving more spots open for promotion. Then after all that you still got so much politics. I myself have been in for four years this month and way into my primary zone and my superiors have been dicking me around this year about sending me to the promotion board or basic leadership course. So it's taking me just as long to make it to e5 or longer as somebody in air force who came in the same time as I came in army (October 2017) anyway lol
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@B_radd I heard a lot of people day that it is darn near impossible to get into AF as prior service and if you can get in, you are extremely limited for what AFSCs you can have and like the only ones available will be things like security forces. It's like active duty AF only wants a very time group of prior service people in, like prior service people from other branches safe damaged goods or something. But apparently it is not so difficult to get into AF guard/reserves as prior service. I know someone who was Army 68r (food inspector though she never did her job and was always in the motor pool like so many other soldiers) and now says she is in AF reserves in logistics (I guess that's 2G0X1). Im looking to stay on active duty in army for at least one more contract in another mos (I'm 92g currently) and then when I have more of my ducks in a row and am ready to get out I'll consider guard/reserve and especially AF version of guard/reserve if I am still able to qualify.
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@B_radd you moved out as an E3 and that is unmarried, or you got married then got out? If you actually were not married and they let you out the barracks ( "dorms") as an unmarried E3 that it is even more mind blowing than being allowed out as an E4.... Like how?
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@B_radd you mean go security forces then change my afsc? I don't know. I wouldn't want to be an no plus I heard that security forces goes to the field more often than other AFSCs do and Ivr had enough of the field being in the army already Cant wait to see how the future goes though
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@B_radd thank you and you too
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It's supposed to be way easier as well as way shorter lol
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Air force.doesnt need to have ground grunts who can deal with being treated like mindless little children and go forever without washing their asses. Air force is supposed to have technical minded adults who have some ability to think for themselves.
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It's ridiculous that marines boot camp is so long. Army basic training might be the next longest (though I'm not completely sure if it is longer than navy. I think it is). We got done with our final training requirement three weeks before graduation and spent the remainder of our time cleaning the same weapons over and over again while the drill sergeants smoked the entire company for the flimsiest of reasons. Some of us mentioned how if we had have done sir force instead we wouldnt have had to deal with that extra nonsense for no reason.
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Damn. It is what it is now, but the first time I wish I had have joined the "chair force" was when I was in AIT. I was at Fort Lee and did joint training with the other branches. When class was done, we army trainees had to stand in formations and wait for our companies' sergeants to come get us. We had platoon guides, but all they were allowed to do was stand in front of formation and call us to parade rest, at ease,etc. We were not allowed to move and at times had to just wait there until the sergeants (now drill sergeants) came when THEY were ready to come get us. There'd be times when the platoons would get smoked when the sergeants saw how restless the trainees got because they were made to wait for so long (and especially if you had to use the latrine but couldnt). The Air Force and Navy trainees on the other hand were actually allowed to march back by their platoon guides IMMEDIATELY when they were done with class, without their NCO's. They did not have to stand around forever and wait like little children like we Army trainees had to do That was when I was like "maybe I should have listened and joined the Air Force instead of the Army). Then imagine my horror when I realized that unmarried enlisted people in the Air Force are allowed to move out of the barracks WAY SOONER than unmarried enlisted Army soldiers are allowed to (E4 in AF vs E6 in most cases in Army); they don't go to the field as much as we do nor do they stay as long; they not only have easier PT tests, but (though it depends on unit), they don't do PT sessions as much as we do (I love to work out but didn't realize how ridiculous and full of nonsense Army PT can be. I talked to an E6 in the AF when I was on deployment, and he told me he had been in AF for 10 years and claimed that out of all that time, he hadn't done organized group PT in EIGHT YEARS ), they get shorter deployments than we get (six months vs at least nine months with Army. Those extra few months of being in a tent or bay with the same people 24/7 will drive you insane), aside from Security Forces and a few other type jobs, most people in AF don't have to deal with TA50 all the time like Army does; they don't have to do the motor pool so much like so many soldiers do, etc. It is what it is, but yeah I wish I had have listened and joined Air Force instead of Army. Had I known all of what I know now about the differences (just with the AIT example, that's something I still haven't seen people mention online), I probably would have listened.
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@edgarretana8377 wow. In the dfac I do remember that we talked but softly and as quietly as possible. It wasn't quite as bad as it was at basic but we did have drill sergeants there standing and watching us eat and at times we were only allowed to eat for like ten minutes (I swear s couple of times we were only allowed to eat for five minutes like back in reception). One thing unique about dfac in ait vs basic/reception though: I never saw anybody get smoked in either reception or basic inside the dfac (only outside). In ait there were two occasions where I saw a drill sergeant make someone get down and do pushuos inside the dfac (the first time I don't know why and this involved someone not in my company, and the second time was when a trainee in my company had talked back to one of my company drill sergeants)
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@edgarretana8377 @Edgar Retana are in on active duty I air force? Do you folks have "accountability formations" at six in the morning (usually. Sometimes it can be earlier) like we have in the army? Or do you have it where you just go report to your place of duty at the time you're supposed to (like 0830 or 0930)? I think (though this might depend on unit) that so many people in Air Force don't do formations quite like army does but I might be wrong. I asked that e6 I was talking about on deployment one time when one of our first sergeants ordered us into a formation in the afternoon if he was used to being in formations like this and he did tell me "no". I never asked him if he does early morning "accountability" formations like we do. I wish it could be where if you have to be somewhere at sat 0830 or 0900, that should be when you report and that should be your accountability right there and if you're not there at that time then something might be wrong. I hate having it where if you have to be somewhere at 0830 or 0900,. FIRST you got to show up in the cold a few hours earlier at 0600 and then stand and wait around for thirty minutes in the cold for a first sergeant to show up. I actually miss how we had it when covid first got big because instead of having to do early morning formations, we just sent text messages to our first line supervisors saying we are still alive and are not awol. Also have no love for random formations throughout the day or a formation at 1700 when you're tired and just want to call it a day and get out of uniform.
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Don't think BMT is easy because it's still military basic training. However I'm sure it's easier than the other branches' basic trainings... Just with the fact its shorter for one thing.
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@MCsAdvice I'm army but why the hell would it even matter if you went through the toughest or least difficult basic training? It's basic training.
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It is what it is now, but the first time I wish I had have joined the "chair force" was when I was in AIT. I was at Fort Lee and did joint training with the other branches. When class was done, we army trainees had to stand in formations and wait for our companies' sergeants to come get us. We had platoon guides, but all they were allowed to do was stand in front of formation and call us to parade rest, at ease,etc. We were not allowed to move and at times had to just wait there until the sergeants (now drill sergeants) came when THEY were ready to come get us. There'd be times when the platoons would get smoked when the sergeants saw how restless the trainees got because they were made to wait for so long (and especially if you had to use the latrine but couldnt). The Air Force and Navy trainees on the other hand were actually allowed to march back by their platoon guides IMMEDIATELY when they were done with class, without their NCO's. They did not have to stand around forever and wait like little children like we Army trainees had to do That was when I was like "maybe I should have listened and joined the Air Force instead of the Army). Then imagine my horror when I realized that unmarried enlisted people in the Air Force are allowed to move out of the barracks WAY SOONER than unmarried enlisted Army soldiers are allowed to (E4 in AF vs E6 in most cases in Army); they don't go to the field as much as we do nor do they stay as long; they not only have easier PT tests, but (though it depends on unit), they don't do PT sessions as much as we do (I love to work out but didn't realize how ridiculous and full of nonsense Army PT can be. I talked to an E6 in the AF when I was on deployment, and he told me he had been in AF for 10 years and claimed that out of all that time, he hadn't done organized group PT in EIGHT YEARS ), they get shorter deployments than we get (six months vs at least nine months with Army. Those extra few months of being in a tent or bay with the same people 24/7 will drive you insane), aside from Security Forces and a few other type jobs, most people in AF don't have to deal with TA50 all the time like Army does; they don't have to do the motor pool so much like so many soldiers do, they dont do ruck marches like soldiers, etc. It is what it is, but yeah I wish I had have listened and joined Air Force instead of Army. Had I known all of what I know now about the differences (just with the AIT example, that's something I still haven't seen people mention online), I probably would have listened.
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even just with basic. basic is really just prison. the fact that their basic is like the shortest makes me wish I had joined . In army basic we spent our last few weeks doing nothing but weapons cleaning since we already had our last graduation requirement (the forge) weeks earlier. And speaking of the forge, I've heard from that Angry Cops video that Air Force doesn't do a 12 mile ruck march (which we were made to do PT when we were done rucking. then we got smoked with low crawls in the mud, then we had to do more and more and more ruck marching), and they actually got to wash their asses since they have showers????? And they get to sleep in tents whereas we sleep on the ground. I wouldn't be surprised if they have access to cleaner latrines. We had porter potties where the toilets were literally filled up to the rims with shit. So many of us just shat and pissed behind trees at night instead of using those porter potties.
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Are you serious, or are you somebody who's already in the Army/Marines and says they wish they had joined AF instead? If you are serious, I might not be able to give the best advice since I'm Army, but I'd say take a few college courses to make yourself stand out more than other people trying to join. I'd also say study your hardest for the ASVAB to get as high of a score as you can. Even if that means going to an Army recruiter first and having that recruiter set you up for the ASVAB and then going to the AF recruiter with your scores. The Air Force is one of the if not the branch with the highest standards to join so you want to make yourself look as good as possible to make yourself stand out since they don't take just about anybody like the Army does. Of course you also want to have as clean of a criminal record as possible. Ditto for your credit report and also not have any medical conditions (even though the Air Force doesn't really do any physical things like Army, it's still the fact that since AF is much harder to get into, they might use something like eye surgery as an excuse to disqualify you).
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