Comments by "Oblithian" (@Oblithian) on "Nate The Lawyer"
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Equity is "both fair and just" that's what people actually mean when saying equality. That is how the systems were being designed (granted the US always lags in social change).
But these days that word is being misused to actually mean equal (or more than) outcome and not equal opportunity. The 'pay gap' has been proven broadly false, another misrepresentation by hyperbolic 'news' (of course with specific exceptions that need to be addressed).
In other words they are arguing things like this deal are equity, when in reality they are objectively, equal outcome or better. For example, something we would take as fair and just is if two people are offered half the apples they pick in a day. If one person slacks off they would get less, and that seems both fair and just. Correct? Now imagine, person A picks one apple, and relaxes in the sun, but by the time person B returns at sundown person A is hungry again and sees a massive pile that person B is taking home. They then demand half of those apples as they both spent the day 'picking apples', if they get them that is equal, but it is neither fair nor just. Now if instead of effort the factor was skill. Say person A&B built widgets for the same amount of time every day. Person A has a lot of practice and can make 300 in a day; person B is new and only managed 50. If they were paid the same that is equal outcome again right? But it's not fair and just (unless society ignorantly decides that equal outcome is fair and just arbitrarily, like altering a definition. Then by assignment it would be regarded that way and fiercely upheld as the 'norm', but it would still remain measurably unreasonable.). Because what it does is make a citizen, by law based on a trait at birth, in a position of objectively greater advantage because if that person tries as hard as the others they will always come out on top (unless by illegal act, like theft, or real discrimination. Which should be litigated).
That is exactly the opposite of an egalitarian society and NOT what we desire or had been working for. Regardless of what group benefits from that elevated status.
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Saying "B.L.M." created a situation where alienating and antagonizing everyone else could not do anything but create push back like "WLM", or "ALM", and I bet that's what they counted on. Because it's pretty easy to look at it and say "race war, look at them trying to stomp you back down".
Trouble is most people don't think like the stereotypical '20s, '30s mindset. And so BLM pushed conflating "WLM" with the initial level headed response/agreement that, "All lives matter, and therefore anyone being murdered on the street is completely unacceptable, and any racism that may have lead to this is intolerable and should be prevented".
But, either way if anyone (considered a minority) tried to support a caucasian friend during the scapegoating, and anti-caucasian hate/fearmongering. They were traitors worse than 'the oppressors' and they got called some racist pre-civil war sh!t. (Complete hypocrisy for a movement allegedly trying to promote rights and respect of those same groups)
I don't know if he just stopped, caring, there was a mental health issue, or he just liked causing a fuss. But he just went all over the map.
I can see why people get upset by his views (both mild an extreme) and in that line of work, your rep is what a lot of it is about.
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I mean, it on its face is a fair argument: That these days, we like to pretend bad people don't also do good things (no matter their political leaning). It is also fair to say, we should acknowledge these things.
It would also be fair to say something pointing out that, not everyone in Germany shared the beliefs of the party. So in that sense not all of them may have been evil (perhaps even most of them).
BUT! Saying "I completely support them" is insane. As is, "I love an immoral individual, especially" (which may be an unfair characterization, if he meant in the "god loves all life" sense of "love"). It also, does not mean one good thing necessarily outweighs a bad thing. But one needs to look at history and individuals as a whole, because there is ALWAYS good and bad. Even when the good is a tiny thing.
I don't know if it is mental illness, incompetence, uncaring/insensitive/thoughtless wording, drugs, temporary stress, who knows?🤷♀
*Apparently he said he was on some sort of medication?
If it is true and he is off it that would certainly lend credence to the assertion of mental illness.
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Look, no matter where you land this was a tragedy, fluke no, but unfortunate at every angle.
From this part of the world, every time we see an American cop pull out a gun immediately, we aren't surprised "mr. cowboy" shoots someone (that is the common term). Now, by the laws of the state it seems lawful and may not have even been intentional.
But here, you don't pull out a gun for shoplifting, you don't do assault with a deadly weapon to get someone out of the car, you talk to people. You maybe smash a window and drag them out if they are excessively beligerant. The police would have first blocked her departure with a squad car, before the confrontation. Things are just handled very differently start to finish.
We have very few police shootings and even fewer police deaths. There's a time and a place, grab the plate, follow her home, wait for her to return and have handcuffs waiting outside the store whatever the protocol may be.
When you waggle a gun in someone's face they are likely to be shot, not just if they don't comply.
Now, again, assuming she had stolen something she shouldn't have tried to drive through the officer. But this anti-police rhetoric is creating these situations. People get told not to cooperate, and I can barely blame them for wanting to run when they think all cops are racist murderers. But If the cop fell wrong he could have died been crippled, who knows. So he has a right to self defense. Could he have gotten out of the way, yes. But the law of the land is the only authority in a civilized society.
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If we get right down to it the conclusion, as inconvenient as it becomes, for the ethical standard will inevitably be that upon becoming a genetically separate lifeform, it has rights.
Now expressing and limiting the rights is where you get into the mud, especially because the US is a society of individualism and a fetus or zygote is completely dependent. Regardless, as with children they are given no say and therefore require protections (but no protection should be infinite). Just as a father currently has inescapable responsibilities to their offspring.
Steps can be taken safely to find an alternate host (or stored while waiting) before a certain stage. Like with anything else, after that stage there should be responsibility for not dealing with the matter in a timely manner (and getting into the situation to begin with, if voluntary). If you don't transfer the pregnancy before doing so becomes a matter of life and death for the unrepresented party, you should have an obligation to deliver it (though not to raise it. A government system should be in place for that). If in the event of a complication, requiring a decision to save one or the other, the default should be that the party with the highest survivability should be saved (unless self-sacrifice was explicitly stated by the party with capacity beforehand). No matter the circumstances of conception the unborn is innocent in this, and its life is inarguably fully affected in the handling of these matters. The arguments against which are equally applicable to a fully dependent infant, the only difference is, we see them and can feel more empathy. Other options exist and whenever they can be done safely then they should be. Inconvenience is never a good excuse for denial of rights.
One may have other opinions, and that is fine at the end of the day it is the most popular opinion that gets adopted and not merely my own. But I do seriously believe that this is how things will conclusively be done be it in our lifetime or in another few generations.
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It's obviously not entirely nonsense, but whether or not they can evade the statute of limitations or fulfill the burdens of the crimes, let alone get a conviction, is obviously another story.
The broader issue this raises, is how laws should be changed to prevent any actual unconvicted criminals from taking office to evade trial, and to hold politicians better accountable for committing crimes.
If the president robbed a bank while in office, or committed provable SA, etc. you should be able to arrest the person. Like if Biden committed massive fraud and stole federal pensions.
Because as of right now it seems like the president can do no wrong while in office. Pillage, plunder, murder, genocide, identity theft, insider trading, they have free reign while in office. While a person elected president might be expected to be upstanding, history shows very bad people can be elected. Countries need better precautions in the event heads of state start committing real crime.
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So, while I assume your assessment under the law is likely correct, I would not be able to agree about the comparison you make for 2 reasons.
1. In your example, there is no realistic possibility of the gun being real, loaded, and with a round chambered. Where as, in this case she knew she had both a gun and a taser. The risk of drawing the wrong one was always there. Further, she has a duty to take the care needed to avoid such mistakes.
2. She intended to use potentially deadly force which is a reality with both rather than absolutely no intent to harm (or possibility of death). Granted the differences in risk of death are substantially different between a taser and pistol.
Now, you have also said, that would be justified by the law in this case also. In that case merely unintentionally grabbing the wrong one is the only wrong doing and doesn't change that the more severe action is justified.
I don't suspect she got a lighter sentence than the other police officer because of race. Most likely it was because of the significant contextual differences. However, if there was bias, it would be more probable that it be based on the fact she was a woman (which is supposedly a thing that happens often).
I think we need to be training officers and changing procedures to better handle situations (in a way that reduces risk of mistakes and the necessity of shooting suspects). Not only for the sake of the public, suspects, and criminals, but obviously for officers as well. Even if they don't get punished, no one wants to have a situation like Al Powell.
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Why now, why not whe me too peaked, or before? What changed? Did he suddenly become more successful? Did he do it again and they just now realized (too late) that they should have spoken up sooner?
Were they trying to find eachother to share legal burdens? (I think it is passed limitations in UK, no?)
Why would Russel be untouchable? He seems like the kind of guy who would be trashy. The drugs, they sudden fame, his attitude... Had I been told this happened 10-15 years ago, I probably would have weighed on 'likely guilty' unless something showed otherwise. Even now I hardly think it is impossible.
At the end of the day, even the people who find it highly unlikely, or 'impossible,' would hope people who have been wronged in these ways would get justice. But the question is, were they?
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As to if the defendant was underpenalized... I don't know. On one hand those kinds of thing can be traumatic, and have lasting effects.
On the other hand, if it was a genuine misunderstanding: Having experienced nearly being drowned and suffocated on multiple occasions due to extremely aggressive individuals (who apparently weren't properly socialized as kids), fearing death is not nothing but you weren't killed or permanently injured, your friend should learn not to attack their friends but they are still your friend and it wasn't intended as it resulted. Also, victims often become vengeful and desire even more than an eye for an eye (especially when manipulated by a third party without a complete possibly biased understanding of the situation).
So, if the allegations are true and it wasn't a misunderstanding and they continued their behaviour (or this was a repeat offence) more punishment would be suitable to the point that it motivates avoidance of said behaviours.
Without the full story though, neither came out of the situation happy, and additional punishment was already applied. I cannot say if it was enough, too much already, or not enough.
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I don't know the details of this case, maybe he has a history, maybe he had ample opportunity to say, "ease up a little", maybe he didn't care. If there was something to point to his guilt perhaps that time is worth it. But based on the limited details from Nate, 4 years seems like too much.
Failing his Due dilligence, kick him off the force. If there was malice, I do think he deserved a meaningful amount of time, perhaps even more. However, I do worry he may just getting excessively penalized for PR or maybe the jury is in fear for their own safety given the volitility stoked by all the news agencies at the time. If there is insufficient evidence for the punishment the justice system, and society has failed him (but if that is the case hopefully he can win an appeal).
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*ok,ok, ok, ok. Stop. This trans person is 100% trying to sexualize themselves, (that's like 80% of what those activists do, you see them shaking their butt and trying to attract attention) now they are trying to play the, 'everyone else is sexualizing them' card.
Also a tangential gripe, given topless nudity has been legal in my country for years. People pretty much never do it except to try and make it a thrill or a protest. If they themselves didn't think them 'sexualized' or private, they wouldn't find it so thrilling. They wouldn't be taking instagram photos on mountain tops facing away from the camera for 'exhilarating freedom, and empowerment'. They would just be confident and comfortable with walking around shirtless on any old day. crowds, no crowds. (Not that everyone has to be, besides it's considered bad taste for men to go shirtless). Anyway, the whole sexualized/male gaze is a problem but it's at the same time empowerment, is a faff.
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I am not for private schools, but I know that your kid can hypothetically get a better education there (just because there are hypothetical exceptions). And that is the reality.
But private schools are mostly just another barrier to entry for the wealthy. I am not saying they have no right to exist, but private schools typically still get money from the government, tax breaks, etc. I just think that if you are going to create this nook for a wealth based education gateway, especially in the US (where the public education system is on average quite inadequate), then no breaks, and they have to pay for EVERYTHING. It encourages more participation and interest in the public schools, it diverts needed funds to the public schools... etc.
It's not a solution (there are a lot of things needing fixing) it is just a better approach.
But my ultimate opinion is that we should be funding better digital learning because then you ALWAYS get the best lesson, not just left to chance if you have a bad teacher. You will still need in person classes for some things, but you can drop half the teachers who can't be bothered to take their job seriously anyway.
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Ok seeing the video you have to consider the situation. There was an active riot, where people were known to be killed and seriously injured, that alone should be considered an iminate threat. But he chose to be there for 'allegedly' the defense of others.
Now he was being chased by a violent mob, several of whom were armed, and there was no way of knowing of the others were also. It doesn't matter if in a split second they were facing a different direction they were still a threat and if he was not aggressive he would have to risk likely harm or death to discover that. After firing his weapon, an angry mob tends to feel even more justified in an attack. The attempt to disarm him after such violence could only be interpreted by a reasonable person in that situation, to be further threat (especially if that weapon would then be used against themself).
But regardless, the situation, until resolved was an ongoing threat, if he needed to fire his gun to keep it so that he can prevent being killed by another armed individual.
Note he didn't (despite the threat) fire on the person with a blunt instrument, or the man whose hands were in the air.
(Also note the photo or convenient still) was of the man in the tan shorts did not drop his weapon or keep his hands up. I don't know if he had fired at him previously, that would be important. He also shot at his arm (perhaps in an intent to disarm, depending on testimony).
17:41 the frame where he is getting behind Rittenhouse, He has regained a firing grip and appears to have his finger on the trigger.
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