Comments by "Oblithian" (@Oblithian) on "Rafe Heydel-Mankoo"
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I had this conversation at the time of the John. A. MacDonald statue vandalism. 100 years from now maybe 1000 years from now they will be looked at as people who destroyed art, and history.
If we look at the ruins of ancient temples or monuments, we think "It was a terrible thing to destroy this artifact". At the time it is nearly always 'justified' by a hatred for the person (or group) and/or their actions.
Whether it is the statue of Lenin, or a painting by Hitler. Fundamentally, it needs to be preserved. Erasing history prevents people from learning from it. Most of the folks in the mob saw an opportunity to flirt with the 'activist' image so lauded since the 60s. Those images of "triumphs of the people" shown in school, spurring their righteous persona. But at the end of the day, if it's hatred driving the action, the action is likely to be an issue. That's what much of this was, hate mobs. Their intents may have been noble initially, but as we all know, a noble goal does not justify any and all actions.
Has society improved as a direct result of those acts of vandalism? Did it change the reality of history? No.
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"Let my western ignorance explain to you the facts of your familiy's homeland".
When your argument is, "we need to hold grudges because some people aren't as well off" You have lost the plot.
1. Your baseline for comparison cannot be a modern western society it has to be what that country was, what it is, and what it might be by looking at other countries of similar situations without European colonization.
2. If the logic is that you have to keep holding a grudge because there is something to hold a grudge over there will never be a satisfying resolution for anyone, and you just perpetuate it indefinitely. People ruin their lives obsessing over vengeance, it's not a good place to be. Let it go, you will feel better.
3. We know historically colonialism wasn't whole heartedly opposed. Many at the time appreciated the education, the sanitation, the farming techniques, the tools, the weapons for hunting. Imagine if in 100 years time people demand reparations from your children for that time you scuffed their wall while helping them move furniture. Yeah it was worse than that, but fundamentally your children owe no burden for their parents debts and crimes. Pursuing that regressive logic will lead to a resurgence of lifetime indentured servitude. Imagine if doctors chose not to tell patients of a terminal but treatable diagnosis, to spare their feelings.
Now many may not like the British government or the abuses of power and negligence of certain individuals along the way. But who does!? People in Britain don't even like their own government most of the time. Do you punish the citizens? No. The only thing we can do is learn from the lessons of the past and strive to improve accountability for the crimes and overreaches of today, and most importantly... prevention.
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It irritates me that there are wrongs now, that all those opponents would complain at me for trying to resolve or hold people accountable for. Meanwhile they raise hell over grudges long past. I won't deny there were issues during colonialism. But as miopic as it is to only see the good, it is equally miopic to only focus on the bad and deny any good merely out of the immature inability to accept reality is not just for convenient advocacy. I would be complaining about those same issues then, holding those of issue to a higher Standard.
Meanwhile, just as now, they'd be the ones trying to justify every action as merely a small cost of helping others. Or outright claiming the facts are 'fake news, and misinformation' again without taking a critical and objective look at the information and perspectives they are receiving as well.
We need to focus on solving the problems of today for the people of tomorrow. That doesn't mean ignoring history, good or bad, but learning from all of it and striving to do better. There is no end to trying to resolve old grudges from those long dead.
If my great great great grandfather was rightful hair to a kingdom, I wouldn't be raising an army to take it back from a democracy that now resides there. I would also never take revenge on Hitler's descendants, they aren't the man himself.
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