Comments by "nexus1g" (@nexus1g) on "Veritasium"
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Master Evar "A fallacy is something that undermines the argument. thunderf00t never used authority as an argument,"
He's using his authority to avoid using proper sources while still being taken seriously.
"And no, I don't think your use of "appeal to authority" is correct. Authority is one who has deciding power over someone else. Just becasue you think you are smarter than someone else on a subject you don't have to believe you have any deciding power in that subject. And even then, you don't have to believe you are smarter than someone to make the claim that you are right about one thing they are not."
An authority, in this case, is a person with knowledge in a subject.
"Oh, and a lot of this is based on your interpretation of the video. I didn't interpret it as if he made himself an authority on the subject, and I do not view him as an authority on the subject."
You being persuaded is not a requirement here.
"In order to be fallacious, the argument must appeal to the authority because of their qualification in an irrelevant field"
A biochemist speaking authoritatively, without presenting valid evidence, about structural engineering.
"If you have any other sources, you are free to present them."
John Lock, Essay Concerning Human Understanding, Argumentum ad Veracundiam.
As Wiki sums it up, "...[An appeal to authority] can be misused by taking advantage of the 'respect' and 'submission' of the reader or listener to persuade them to accept the conclusion."
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Cane: I would say that it's psychological to keep the cane from falling, but since this is specifically about physics phenomena, I'll say that it's because of differences in friction between the two fingers from increased and decreased weight over the individual fingers.
Phone: Conservation of angular momentum I would suspect is playing at least a part in this. I think it's interesting that the phone seems to become stable at its apex, but during its ascent and descent is when it seems to become unstable. It's also worth noting that the ascent sees the phone spin around the long axis in the opposite direction when compared to its descent.
In the case of the phone, we not only have the angular momentum of the spinning phone, but also the vector along which the phone itself is traveling through the air which seems that it may play a role. I'm unable to articulate what the relationship is.
Cup & Water: Since create an abundance of electrons on the cups, there is going to be a difference in charge between the water and the cup. As such, when the two come close together, electrons are going to try their best to balance out between the water and the cup. Electrons start flowing from the more negatively charged cup to the more positively charged water -- a static discharge. Prior to the discharge itself, however, the two opposite charges will be attracted to one another.
Cereal: Most cereals are fortified with iron.
Teabag: The teabag is porous. As it burns, it is releasing lighter-than-air gases. When it reaches the bottom of the teabag, the mass left is light enough to be lifted by the gases that happen to get trapped in the remaining meshing.
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Master Evar "Which is nowhere"
Oh, excuse me -- not debunked, he titled his video, "The Hyperloop: BUSTED!"
Close enough.
He even goes so far as to assume that they, and I quote, "...haven't done even the simplest expansion calculations." His assertion is that an entire team engineers just simultaneously and inexplicably forgot about their high school physics classes. But thunderf00t remembered because he's just awesome like that.
Of course, the more likely alternative, apply Occam's razor here, is that they have a solution for this issue, but they're keeping the method and/or materials proprietary.
"Then I think you accidentally wrote the wrong name when you responded, because I'm very sure I've only responded to comments who have responded to me."
Yeah, that was my bad. It was a response to you.
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Master Evar "No, it wouldn't. Please explain why."
For instance, you say that what I stated isn't authority but independence from authority. Well, then you're just establishing yourself as a better or, at the very least, alternative authority.
"What if his dad was not Troy Aikman, but he had a little brother who believed in him a lot and thus put higher credence on his big brother than the professional football player? Or what if his dad was a high-ranking politician?"
If he's persuasive based on that authority, he's implicitly using that authority to support his arguments. If his authority is irrelevant to the argument, it's a fallacious appeal to authority.
"By your logic, anyone who has something impressive in their life can't make a claim without making an appeal to authority. What if some movie star claimed that 1+1=2 because they learned that in school. They make an argument, and they are no an authority on the subject of math but they they still are some sort of authority."
If they used their notoriety in a way that persuaded people that they were right, it would be a fallacious appeal to authority. A valid argument would have to be made for why 1+1=2 is true.
A celebrity simply claiming that 1+1=2 is true, with an expectation to be taken on their word is a fallacious appeal to their authority over their audience.
"He's using tools (mathematics and physics) that he has studied up on in order to make his argument."
He throws out finished product numbers and assumptions. It's entirely his authority that sells these points.
It's worth noting here that you don't have to be wrong to make a fallacious appeal to authority.
"So people who knows how to speak are always making appeals to authority as well?"
Again, only if they are persuading using their perceived authority.
It's important to note here that there are valid appeals to authority. For instance, if you get a doctor saying that they think you have the cold, not a flu, they are validly appealing to their authority as a doctor.
"Yes, but then it's THOSE PEOPLE who are making an appeal to authority, not thunderf00t."
No, they are both making an appeal to authority.
"If someone cited your comments here because they thought you were right, does that mean your comment suddenly becomes an appeal to authority?"
Clearly I am appealing to myself as an authority here. I'm not comprising my argument of anything but my opinion. I haven't even quoted a dictionary definition. Absolutely I'm making an appeal to my own logical authority. If I weren't, I would be presenting external resources from globally-recognized authorities on the matter for proof of my conclusions, not arguing my own conclusions using my own logic.
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