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Comments by "nexus1g" (@nexus1g) on "Interview with a Cannibal" video.
Unless you're snacking on your own turds, you're not getting the B12 being produced in your intestines. B12 is absorbed in the stomach, not the intestines.
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The microorganisms live in the intestines. Without them, no B12. Without meat that has synthesized B12 in it already, no B12 either. The body needs either a symbiotic relationship with these bacteria or we need to ingest it already synthesized in another animal -- we do not produce it on our own.
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I'm saying that a man speculating does not trump published studies. Google Scholar... OK, cite something then, and I'll explain how you're not reading it right if you take it as meaning that vegan diets are proved healthier in some way. And more anecdotal evidence? Spare me...
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I'm not sure where you're getting your science from, but from the journals I've read, there's no conclusive health benefits for eating a vegan diet over a standard diet that includes red meat, dairy and fish. It is noted that there are frequently found deficiencies for those nutrients I listed. That being said, the last 10 years haven't been kind to Dr. Graham. You're listening to a chiropractor like he's a nutritionist. He's a 60-year-old who looks like he's well in his 70s.
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Yes, yes, I'm sure your vitamin B12 results come back higher than average and you take no supplements. What's with you and anecdotal evidence? Hasn't anyone ever warned you against this logical fallacy? And, no, our bodies to not naturally produce B12 on their own. It comes from ingesting microorganisms commonly found in plant-eating animals. Vegetarians have a common deficiency in this per the study I actually cited. You haven't cited anything.
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What part of "anecdotal evidence is a logical fallacy" do you not get? What part of "straw man arguments are a logical fallacy" do you not get?
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What you quoted says that unless we eat our own shit, it doesn't get into our system. If it's coming out in the feces, it's not being absorbed into the body. In fact, it states just after your quote that this B12 "is unavailable to the non-coprophagic individual."
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The lesson here is to stop following fad diets. And, no, Dr. Graham is extremely unhealthy looking. He looks much older than he should at his age. Do a Google search for "Dr. Douglas Graham 2012."
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Good grief. You'll listen to every crackpot theory out there just so long as it goes against the established norm, eh?
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Already answered.
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If the only thing you eat does NOT have B12, then unless you take a supplement or eat enriched food, you will NOT have B12 in your system. Plants do NOT have B12. Ergo, if you eat ONLY plants, you will NOT be taking in B12 and this will result in a B12 deficiency. I'm not looking for rationalizations for anything. You are. I'm quoting what research has found to be true. I couldn't give two shits about it for myself. I'm unbiased.
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That's either a clear sign of a yes or a clear sign of embarrassment. Such an ironic, detached post couldn't mean anything less.
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The peer-reviewed research YOU linked said we can't. I think you're just embarrassed because you didn't quite understand it as well as you should have. Your original point that eating meat is unhealthy is unsubstatiated, and there's no solid research to prove such. Research has shown the opposite (see the paper I originally cited). My original point wasn't that a vegan would have health issues. That is the straw man logical fallacy you came up with.
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Health effects of vegetarian and vegan diets, from Cancer Research UK Epidemiology Unit, University of Oxford, published in PubMed and featured on NIHs website. "Studies of cancer have not shown clear differences in cancer rates between vegetarians and non-vegetarians. More data are needed, particularly on the health of vegans and on the possible impacts on health of low intakes of long-chain n-3 fatty acids and vitamin B(12)."
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Thank you. I appreciate the compliment. I look at it as a disability and it helps me get through it. His particular disability is his inability to determine bias and credibility in the things he reads.
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Do you even know what a straw man is or anecdotal evidence? I get the feeling you don't.
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Things die to support other things. It's nature. Humans are obligate carnivores. If your diet requires supplements and enrichment to be healthy (like a vegan diet), then your diet simply doesn't work. The human body cannot synthesize complete proteins from plant matter like, say, a cow can. So your long-chain n-3 fatty acids are going to be low as well as retinol, vitamin B-12, vitamin D (most notably in colder climates during winter months), calcium and zinc.
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Emotional blackmail. That's a good way to earn credibility. You're such a disgustingly intellectually dishonest person.
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I didn't say there was. More logical fallacies?
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Again, that is not the plant that has B12, that's the dirt that has the B12. And again, as the research you posted stated, the B12 produced in the intestines is not available for the body to use unless you eat your own poop.
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I've killed and butchered my own meat. I'm quite familiar from where it comes, thank you.
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There are a few known causes for B12 deficiency anemia. They include the inability of the digestive system to absorb the vitamin, you've had gastric bypass surgery or the like, Crohn's disease, parasites, etc. However, ruling out other causes and determining a diet of only vegetables, the issue of B12 deficiency anemia would be due to a simple lack of intake of the vitamin which results in lowered red blood cell production.
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Well, I eat meat and I'm Mars, god of war. How do you explain that one? Anecdotal evidence... Again... Stop it. I don't care about you. I don't have access to your medical history -- just your word. Quote peer-reviewed research or just give up the ghost.
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I'm sorry, but this is a simple fact that plants do NOT have B12 in them unless enriched with it artificially. The only way you'd get ANY B12 from eating plants is by eating the dirt that comes up with the plants, and then you're getting the vitamin from the dirt, not the plant.
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Please cite peer-reviewed research rather than yet more speculation.
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I've explained all of this to you. Are you having a hard time thinking this morning?
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