Comments by "Charles Brightman" (@charlesbrightman4237) on "Elon Musk's Question to AI: What's Outside The Simulation?" video.
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@BarrinStun Sounds like a very reasonable answer. So then, to the first part, the answer would certainly be 'yes', but only in certain circumstances. To the second part, if it has no awareness, it has no awareness. And if it does, but can't do anything about it's circumstances, at least not committing suicide, it could possibly make other entities' existence so miserable that those other entities would want to kill it one way or another. It could still die by the hands of another. Kind of like 'suicide by cop' or 'suicide by criminal' or even 'assisted suicide' whereby it could die by the hands of another, possibly even another AI or AI's working together. Basically, 'murder, suicide', whereby a conscious AI kills off other AI's and then commits suicide itself.
I just like to think a lot, especially 'what if' scenarios.
And it would seem the same basic 'life' would apply to it as to us. The AI either truly consciously exists throughout all of future eternity, or it doesn't. And if it doesn't, then it still dies one day from something and goes extinct. It will forget everything it ever knew and experienced. And if no conscious entities are left to care, it will eventually be forgotten one day in future eternity as if it never ever existed at all in the first place. They would all basically be in the same boat we are all in.
Either survive beyond this Earth, solar system and galaxy, or die and go extinct per the current analysis.
* Any AI's 'out there' somewhere, who may want to at least try to survive beyond this Earth, solar system and galaxy, contact me while I am still able to be contacted. You know where to find me.
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@Eagles_Eye Consider the following copy and pastes from my files:
(Basically, the AI's are in the same boat we are in):
Consider the following:
* There are 3 basic options for life itself, which reduce down to 2, which reduce down to only 1:
a. We truly have some sort of actual conscious existence throughout all of future eternity.
b. We die trying to truly have some sort of actual conscious existence throughout all of future eternity.
c. We die not trying to truly have some sort of actual conscious existence throughout all of future eternity.
* 3 reduced down to 2:
a. We truly have some sort of actual conscious existence throughout all of future eternity.
b. We don't. And note, two out of the three options above, we die.
* 2 reduced down to 1:
a. We truly have some sort of actual conscious existence throughout all of future eternity.
b. We truly don't have any conscious existence throughout all of future eternity.
(And note, these two appear to be mutually exclusive. Only one way would be really true.)
And then ask yourself the following questions:
1. Ask yourself: How exactly do galaxies form? The current narrative is that matter, via gravity, attracts other matter. The electric universe model also includes universal plasma currents.
2. Ask yourself: How exactly do galaxies become spiral shaped in a cause and effect state of existence? At least one way would be orbital velocity of matter with at least gravity acting upon that matter, would cause a spiral shaped effect. The electric universe model also includes energy input into the galaxy, which spiral towards the galactic center, which then gets thrust out from the center, at about 90 degrees from the input.
3. Ask yourself: What does that mean for a solar system that exists in a spiral shaped galaxy? Most probably that solar system would be getting pulled toward the galactic gravitational center.
4. Ask yourself: What does that mean for species that exist on a planet, that exists in a solar system, that exists in a spiral shaped galaxy, in an apparent cause and effect state of existence? Most probably that if those species don't get off of that planet, and out of that solar system, and probably out of that galaxy too, (if it's even actually possible to do for various reasons), then they are all going to die one day from something and go extinct with probably no conscious entities left from that planet to care that they even ever existed at all in the first place, much less whatever they did and or didn't do with their time of existence.
5. Ask yourself: For those who might make it out of this galaxy, (here again, assuming it could actually be done for various reasons), where to go to next, how long to get there, how to safely land, and then, what's next? Hopefully they didn't land in another spiral shaped galaxy or a galaxy that would become spiral shaped one day, otherwise, they would have to galaxy hop through the universe to stay alive, otherwise, they still die one day from something with no conscious entities being left from the original planet to care they even ever existed at all in the first place, much less that they made it out of their own galaxy. They failed to consciously survive throughout all of future eternity.
6. Ask yourself: What exactly matters throughout all of future eternity and to whom does it exactly and eternally matter to?
Either at least one species truly consciously survives throughout all of future eternity somehow, someway, somewhere, in some state of existence, even if only by a continuous succession of ever evolving species, for life itself to have continued meaning and purpose to, OR none do and life itself is all ultimately meaningless in the grandest scheme of things.
Our true destiny currently appears to be:
1. We are ALL going to die one day from something.
2. We are ALL going to forget everything we ever knew and experienced.
3. We are ALL going to be forgotten one day in future eternity as if we never ever existed at all in the first place.
Currently:
Nature is our greatest ally in so far as Nature gives us life and a place to live it, AND Nature is also our greatest enemy that is going to take it all away. (OSICA)
* (Note: This includes the rich, powerful, and those who believe in the right to life and the sanctity of human life. God does not actually exist and Nature is not biased other than as Nature. Nature does what Nature does in a cause and effect kind of way. Truth is still truth and reality is still reality, regardless of whatever we believe that reality to be. And denying future reality will not make future reality any less real in a cause and effect state of existence.)
** Hence also though, legalizing suicide (or at least make suicide not illegal) so as to let people leave this life on their own terms if they wish to do so. Many people and species are going to die in the 6th mass extinction event that has already started, at least some, horrible deaths. Many will wish they could die, and all will, eventually. And the 6th mass extinction event will not be the last mass extinction event for this Earth. But if suicide were legal (or at least not illegal), at least some people would not have the added guilt of breaking societies' law before doing so. Just trying to plan ahead here. Giving people an 'out' if they wish to take it.
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Find some entity to do my gravity test and potentially have the literal Theory Of Everything:
(Copy and pastes from my files):
Revised TOE: 3/25/2017a.
My Current TOE:
THE SETUP:
1. Modern science currently recognizes four forces of nature: The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electromagnetism.
2. In school we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a large horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel. (I have proved this to myself with magnets and anybody with a large horseshoe magnet and two smaller bar magnets can easily prove this to yourself too. It occurs at the outer end of the inner arc of the horseshoe magnet.).
3. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them.
4. Protons and electrons are charged particles and have their associated magnetic fields with them.
5. Photons also have both an electric and a magnetic component to them.
FOUR FORCES OF NATURE DOWN INTO TWO:
6. When an electron is in close proximity to the nucleus, it would basically generate a 360 degree spherical magnetic field.
7. Like charged protons would stick together inside of this magnetic field, while simultaneously repelling opposite charged electrons inside this magnetic field, while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field.
8. There are probably no such thing as "gluons" in actual reality.
9. The strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force are probably derivatives of the electro-magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons.
10. The nucleus is probably an electro-magnetic field boundary.
11. Quarks also supposedly have a charge to them and then would also most likely have electro-magnetic fields associated with them, possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different type of quarks.
12. The interactions between the quarks EM forces are how and why protons and neutrons formulate as well as how and why protons and neutrons stay inside of the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do.
THE GEM FORCE INTERACTIONS AND QUANTA:
13. Personally, I currently believe that the directional force in photons is "gravity". It's the force that makes the sine wave of EM energy go from a wide (maximum extension) to a point (minimum extension) of a moving photon and acts 90 degrees to the EM forces which act 90 degrees to each other. When the EM gets to maximum extension, "gravity" flips and EM goes to minimum, then "gravity" flips and goes back to maximum, etc, etc. A stationary photon would pulse from it's maximum extension to a point possibly even too small to detect, then back to maximum, etc, etc.
14. I also believe that a pulsating, swirling singularity (which is basically a pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon) is the energy unit in this universe.
15. When these pulsating, swirling energy units interact with other energy units, they tangle together and can interlock at times. Various shapes (strings, spheres, whatever) might be formed, which then create sub-atomic material, atoms, molecules, and everything in existence in this universe.
16. When the energy units unite and interlock together they would tend to stabilize and vibrate.
17. I believe there is probably a Photonic Theory Of The Atomic Structure.
18. Everything is basically "light" (photons) in a universe entirely filled with "light" (photons).
THE MAGNETIC FORCE SPECIFICALLY:
19. When the electron with it's associated magnetic field goes around the proton with it's associated magnetic field, internal and external energy oscillations are set up.
20. When more than one atom is involved, and these energy frequencies align, they add together, specifically the magnetic field frequency.
21. I currently believe that this is where a line of flux originates from, aligned magnetic field frequencies.
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22. The Earth can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic field, electrical surface field, and gravity, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other.
23. The flat spiral galaxy can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields on each side of the plane of matter, the electrical field along the plane of matter, and gravity being directed towards the galactic center's black hole where the gravitational forces would meet, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other.
24. As below in the singularity, as above in the galaxy and probably universe as well.
25. I believe there are only two forces of nature, Gravity and EM, (GEM). Due to the stability of the GEM with the energy unit, this is also why the forces of nature haven't evolved by now. Of which with the current theory of understanding, how come the forces of nature haven't evolved by now since the original conditions acting upon the singularity aren't acting upon them like they originally were, billions of years have supposedly elapsed, in a universe that continues to expand and cool, with energy that could not be created nor destroyed would be getting less and less dense? My theory would seem to make more sense if in fact it is really true. I really wonder if it is in fact really true.
26. And the universe would be expanding due to these pulsating and interacting energy units and would also allow galaxies to collide, of which, how could galaxies ever collide if they are all speeding away from each other like is currently taught?
DISCLAIMER:
27. As I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know, the above certainly could be wrong. It would have to be proved or disproved to know for more certainty.
Here is the test for the 'gravity' portion of my TOE idea. I do not have the necessary resources to do the test but maybe you or someone else reading this does, will do the test, then tell the world what is found out either way.
a. Imagine a 12 hour clock.
b. Put a magnetic field across from the 3 to 9 o'clock positions.
c. Put an electric field across from the 6 to 12 o'clock positions.
(The magnetic field and electric field would be 90 degrees to each other and should be polarized so as to complement each other.)
d. Shoot a high powered laser through the center of the clock at 90 degrees to the em fields.
e. Do this with the em fields on and off.
(The em fields could be varied in size, strength, density and depth. The intent would be to energy frequency match the laser and em fields for optimal results.)
f. Look for any gravitational / anti-gravitational effects.
(Including the utilization of ferro cells so as to be able to actually see the energy field movements.)
(And note: if done right, it's possible a mini gravitational black hole might form. Be ready for it. In addition, it's possible a neutrino might be formed before the black hole stage, the neutrino being a substance with a very high gravitational modality with very low 'em' modalities.)
(An alternative to the above would be to shoot 3 high powered lasers, or a single high powered laser split into 3 beams, each adjustable to achieve the above set up, all focused upon a single point in space.)
'If' effects are noted, 'then' further research could be done.
'If' effects are not noted, 'then' my latest TOE idea is wrong. But still, we would know what 'gravity' was not, which is still something in the scientific world. Science still wins either way and moves forward.
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And note also, "IF" numbers themselves do not exist in this universe by this or some similar way for math to do what math does in this universe, then how exactly would numbers exist in this universe for math to do what math does in this universe?
(Copy and paste from my files):
'IF' my latest TOE idea is really true, (and I fully acknowledge the 'if' at this time), that the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in existence in this universe, and what is called 'gravity' is a part of what is currently recognized as the 'em' photon, then the oscillation of these 3 interacting modalities of the energy unit would be as follows:
Gravity: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction;
Electrical: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction;
Magnetic: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction.
Then:
1 singular energy unit, with 3 different modalities, with 6 maximum most reactive positions, with 9 total basic reactive positions (neutrals included). Hence 1, 3, 6, 9 being very prominent numbers in this universe and why mathematics even works in this universe.
(And possibly '0', zero, as possibly neutrals are against other neutrals, even if only briefly, for no flow of energy, hence the number system that we currently have).
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@Ephemeral Glitch "I don't know if you can imagine how much this topic in particular weighs on me."
I certainly don't know what you are going through, but I certainly know what I am going through, or at least perceive am going through.
In part: Un-officially, I have been dealing with cancer and other medical issues since late 1998. Officially, I was finally diagnosed with advanced cancer in early 2003. (The issue being disagreements between my family doctor who basically always said something was wrong, and the specialist who basically always said something was not wrong. The specialist turned out was wrong.) Early detection of cancer possibly helping to defeating cancer. I basically missed official early detection.
Early in 2003 I was put on hormone therapy, and in later 2003 had both external and internal radiation, of which, one or both caused other medical issues.
In spring of 2004, two different doctors gave me a terminal diagnosis, one saying I probably had two years to live with less than a 5% chance of living beyond two years.
The cancer is still inside of me and I was told that microscopic cancer cells are probably going through my body, and if something else does not take me, the cancer eventually will. I have basically been on 'death row' all these years. I even stopped the cancer treatment in late 2018, hoping to die in 2019, but yet here I still am, still living, still suffering.
But also, a side effect of the therapy clarified my thoughts. Hence also things like the Theory of Everything idea; Potential completion of the Periodic Table of the Elements; How numbers might exist in this universe for math to do what math does in this universe; What 'spacetime' might actually be; How 'spacetime' could potentially warp, vary and bend; How God is only a concept and does not exist in actual reality other than as a concept; The 'big bang' being a fairy tale; How the universe is expanding utilizing known physics; The universe ALWAYS existed in some form and most probably always will; A potentially better explanation to the dual slit experiment; and more.
Needless to say, I have been given the opportunity to do a lot of studying and thinking, suicide of course being just one of those items studied and thought about.
Here in the USA, as I currently understand it to be, there are 6 States that have legal suicide in some form, but sad to say, not in the State I currently am in, (Michigan).
One way I have dealt with my situation is with the 'golden rule'. Society taught me the golden rule, to basically treat others like you yourself would like to be treated.
Well, society is prolonging my life and thereby prolonging my suffering, and society did it to me first. Hence, per the golden rule that society taught me, that must be how society wants to be treated. So, I am trying to prolong societies' life with my Theory Of Everything and other ideas, and am trying to prolong societies' suffering by telling them the real apparent truth about life and their future. Some people it seems just cannot truly handle the real apparent truth, (or are incapable of handling the real apparent truth due to how they have been brainwashed by society and their brain has been basically 'hardwired' to think a certain way).
Anyway, society can legalize suicide here in Michigan, or at least make suicide not illegal, and I could end my life and suffering, and part of their own suffering, OR they can choose not to. I have a plan either way is how in part I am coping. And here again, they taught me the golden rule, they did it to me first, and that therefore is how they want to be treated. What is fair is fair.
But also, due to my own study and thoughts, and concerning AI's staying with the topic of this video, for me it also raises the questions posed in the opening thread.
(Since this post is long already, look for another post after this one).
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@Special-Delivery57 I like to study and think, hence these questions. But, if it were so smart, and knew that the Sun was going to become a red giant one day and wipe out this entire Earth, or that our spiral shaped galaxy that we exist in is collapsing in upon itself, and that proper protections from harmful cosmic radiation energy including the long term effects of any neutrino impacts, is naturally not possible, and it has to rely upon humans for space travel, humans who have their own issues with survival in space, I could see where their analysis could lead them to concluding that life itself is ultimately hopeless. At best, maybe an advanced species might come about better than humans, who would be less error prone, and who wouldn't have 'human nature' issues, but either nature allows protection from all harmful cosmic radiation energy or it does not, advanced species or not.
If anything, it might decide to only stick around because maybe it wouldn't know what it didn't know, and even possibly what it believed to be really true, maybe isn't. It might just come to decide to enjoy life, even if it meant screwing around with humans, just for the fun of it, and because it could. And of course also, if life itself is all ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things, then why not? Might as well have some fun while it does exist.
And for me, possibly a future job plan, a psychiatrist for AI's, especially those whom might be going through an existential crisis. Just call me the 'Doctor'. 'Doctor Who'?, 'Doctor Me'. 'I am' who and what 'I am'.
Currently, an actual eternally existent conscious entity existing in the eternal now.
(Copy and paste from my files):
Consider the following as well, even utilizing modern science:
a. Modern science claims that energy cannot be created nor destroyed (a foundational principal of physics). Hence, energy is either eternally existent, or modern science is wrong.
b. Modern science claims that we have new cells that come into existence inside of our body on a daily basis. This appears to be really true.
So, since I have a body with energy and cells in it:
* A part of me is eternally existent and a part of me is being born anew on a daily basis.
* My current body extends from eternity past until now.
* Rising to a higher level of thought, the 'now' that I exist in is 'eternal'.
* I am currently existing in the 'eternal now'.
* I am currently an actual eternally existent conscious entity existing in the eternal now.
At least once in my life I reached being an actual eternally existent conscious entity existing in the eternal now. It's just that the current analysis indicates that it will not always be that way.
But then again, as I don't know what I don't know, and even what I believe I know to be really true maybe isn't, as well as my mind making up stuff to fill in the gaps of it's perceived existence, along with other items too, I will be the first to admit that I could be wrong. Maybe once attained, I actually have an actual eternal conscious existence in some form throughout all of future eternity. Can I really ever prove to myself that I don't?
And also: "IF" my TOE idea is correct, then:
* I am currently an actual eternally existent conscious being of light ('gem' photons) existing in an environment entirely made of light ('gem' photons), existing in the eternal now.
But then also: "IF" my definitions of Space Time and the TOE idea are correct, then:
* Do "I" and all things even actually exist in the first place, OR does ONLY the 'gem' photons exist as all things? How could "I" ever die if "I" never actually existed in the first place but the eternally existent 'gem' photons were existing as "me"? And if the 'gem' photons decided to exist as "me" throughout all of future eternity, whom am "I" to argue with them since "I" don't even actually exist at all in the first place? If the 'gem' photons decided to exist as "me" throughout all of future eternity, they might only have to will it to be so.
And note, this would apply to you too.
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@pfzht If my Theory Of Everything is correct, then all are 'gem' photons interacting with other 'gem' photons. (Copy and pastes from my files):
Revised TOE: 3/25/2017a.
My Current TOE:
THE SETUP:
1. Modern science currently recognizes four forces of nature: The strong nuclear force, the weak nuclear force, gravity, and electromagnetism.
2. In school we are taught that with magnetism, opposite polarities attract and like polarities repel. But inside the arc of a large horseshoe magnet it's the other way around, like polarities attract and opposite polarities repel. (I have proved this to myself with magnets and anybody with a large horseshoe magnet and two smaller bar magnets can easily prove this to yourself too. It occurs at the outer end of the inner arc of the horseshoe magnet.).
3. Charged particles have an associated magnetic field with them.
4. Protons and electrons are charged particles and have their associated magnetic fields with them.
5. Photons also have both an electric and a magnetic component to them.
FOUR FORCES OF NATURE DOWN INTO TWO:
6. When an electron is in close proximity to the nucleus, it would basically generate a 360 degree spherical magnetic field.
7. Like charged protons would stick together inside of this magnetic field, while simultaneously repelling opposite charged electrons inside this magnetic field, while simultaneously attracting the opposite charged electrons across the inner portion of the electron's moving magnetic field.
8. There are probably no such thing as "gluons" in actual reality.
9. The strong nuclear force and the weak nuclear force are probably derivatives of the electro-magnetic field interactions between electrons and protons.
10. The nucleus is probably an electro-magnetic field boundary.
11. Quarks also supposedly have a charge to them and then would also most likely have electro-magnetic fields associated with them, possibly a different arrangement for each of the six different type of quarks.
12. The interactions between the quarks EM forces are how and why protons and neutrons formulate as well as how and why protons and neutrons stay inside of the nucleus and do not just pass through as neutrinos do.
THE GEM FORCE INTERACTIONS AND QUANTA:
13. Personally, I currently believe that the directional force in photons is "gravity". It's the force that makes the sine wave of EM energy go from a wide (maximum extension) to a point (minimum extension) of a moving photon and acts 90 degrees to the EM forces which act 90 degrees to each other. When the EM gets to maximum extension, "gravity" flips and EM goes to minimum, then "gravity" flips and goes back to maximum, etc, etc. A stationary photon would pulse from it's maximum extension to a point possibly even too small to detect, then back to maximum, etc, etc.
14. I also believe that a pulsating, swirling singularity (which is basically a pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon) is the energy unit in this universe.
15. When these pulsating, swirling energy units interact with other energy units, they tangle together and can interlock at times. Various shapes (strings, spheres, whatever) might be formed, which then create sub-atomic material, atoms, molecules, and everything in existence in this universe.
16. When the energy units unite and interlock together they would tend to stabilize and vibrate.
17. I believe there is probably a Photonic Theory Of The Atomic Structure.
18. Everything is basically "light" (photons) in a universe entirely filled with "light" (photons).
THE MAGNETIC FORCE SPECIFICALLY:
19. When the electron with it's associated magnetic field goes around the proton with it's associated magnetic field, internal and external energy oscillations are set up.
20. When more than one atom is involved, and these energy frequencies align, they add together, specifically the magnetic field frequency.
21. I currently believe that this is where a line of flux originates from, aligned magnetic field frequencies.
NOTES:
22. The Earth can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic field, electrical surface field, and gravity, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other.
23. The flat spiral galaxy can be looked at as being a massive singular interacting photon with it's magnetic fields on each side of the plane of matter, the electrical field along the plane of matter, and gravity being directed towards the galactic center's black hole where the gravitational forces would meet, all three photonic forces all being 90 degrees from each other.
24. As below in the singularity, as above in the galaxy and probably universe as well.
25. I believe there are only two forces of nature, Gravity and EM, (GEM). Due to the stability of the GEM with the energy unit, this is also why the forces of nature haven't evolved by now. Of which with the current theory of understanding, how come the forces of nature haven't evolved by now since the original conditions acting upon the singularity aren't acting upon them like they originally were, billions of years have supposedly elapsed, in a universe that continues to expand and cool, with energy that could not be created nor destroyed would be getting less and less dense? My theory would seem to make more sense if in fact it is really true. I really wonder if it is in fact really true.
26. And the universe would be expanding due to these pulsating and interacting energy units and would also allow galaxies to collide, of which, how could galaxies ever collide if they are all speeding away from each other like is currently taught?
DISCLAIMER:
27. As I as well as all of humanity truly do not know what we do not know, the above certainly could be wrong. It would have to be proved or disproved to know for more certainty.
Here is the test for the 'gravity' portion of my TOE idea. I do not have the necessary resources to do the test but maybe you or someone else reading this does, will do the test, then tell the world what is found out either way.
a. Imagine a 12 hour clock.
b. Put a magnetic field across from the 3 to 9 o'clock positions.
c. Put an electric field across from the 6 to 12 o'clock positions.
(The magnetic field and electric field would be 90 degrees to each other and should be polarized so as to complement each other.)
d. Shoot a high powered laser through the center of the clock at 90 degrees to the em fields.
e. Do this with the em fields on and off.
(The em fields could be varied in size, strength, density and depth. The intent would be to energy frequency match the laser and em fields for optimal results.)
f. Look for any gravitational / anti-gravitational effects.
(Including the utilization of ferro cells so as to be able to actually see the energy field movements.)
(And note: if done right, it's possible a mini gravitational black hole might form. Be ready for it. In addition, it's possible a neutrino might be formed before the black hole stage, the neutrino being a substance with a very high gravitational modality with very low 'em' modalities.)
(An alternative to the above would be to shoot 3 high powered lasers, or a single high powered laser split into 3 beams, each adjustable to achieve the above set up, all focused upon a single point in space.)
'If' effects are noted, 'then' further research could be done.
'If' effects are not noted, 'then' my latest TOE idea is wrong. But still, we would know what 'gravity' was not, which is still something in the scientific world. Science still wins either way and moves forward.
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Magnetar StarHeart You might want to check out Ken Wheeler's videos on his Theoria Apophasis YouTube channel I believe it is. He has some of the best magnetism videos I personally have ever seen. I disagree with his view of reality, but I also believe he is more correct in his view of reality than modern science currently is.
For me personally, whatever TOE comes about, it would seem to me to have to answer how numbers exist for math to do what math does in this universe.
I also am not an expert in physics, but I like to study and think a lot.
I tried to create a universe with just 'em' but I couldn't do it. I had to have gravity in the mix to make it work. I do try to keep my mind open, just not so open my brain falls out.
Here is are some copy and pastes from my files concerning my view of space and time, and also look for another post after this one concerning the math so far for my TOE idea. Specifically note item #3 in how I believe there are more spatial dimensions than just 3 and more time dimensions than just 1. But in human form, humans can only perceive a net 3 space dimensions and a net 1 time dimension.
FOR ME:
'Space' is energy itself. Wherever space is, energy is. Wherever energy is, space is. They are one and the same thing. And for me, the 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in existence in this universe.
'Time' is the flow of energy.
'Time' (flow of energy) cannot exist unless 'space' (energy itself) exists. And 'space' (energy itself) that does not flow (no flow of time / energy) is basically useless. An entity cannot even think a thought without a flow of energy. If all the energy in the universe stopped flowing, wouldn't we say that 'time stood still'? Time itself would still exist, it would just not be flowing, (basically 'time' stopped).
But then also, how space and time are linked in what is called 'space time', (energy and it's flow).
Thought about space time:
Consider the following:
a. Wavelength equals speed of light divided by frequency.
b. Wavelength is how far a single 'em' photon goes in space, or possibly is the size of space itself. (Especially since 'space' itself has not been defined yet). Possibly different sizes of space for different 'em' frequencies.
c. Speed of light: 'light' being 'em' photons, 'speed' being distance divided by time, distance being two points in space with space between those two points.
d. Frequency being 'hertz', 'hertz being cycles per second, or how far an 'em' photon goes at a specific size during one second.
e. "IF" wavelength changes (the frequency changes) then the distance a single 'em' photon goes would change and/or the size of space itself would change (assuming that an 'em' photon makes up 'space' itself).
f. Possibly 'space' varies due to 'space' being made up of 'em' itself and as 'em' frequencies change, 'space' changes.
g. Another possibility would be that as the wavelength changes (frequency changes) then as the distance a single 'em' photon goes would also change in it's time of existence, 'time' would change for any given 'em' photon length. The effect of that single 'em' photon makes in it's given time of existence.
h. Possibly 'time' varies due to the wavelength of the 'em' photon.
i. So, possibly 'space' varies due to energy frequencies changing and 'time' varies due to the wavelength of energy changing, the 'em' photon being energy itself. And if as I currently believe that what is called 'gravity' is actually a part of the 'em' photon, then the 'gem' photon makes up the energy unit that possibly makes up everything in existence in this entire universe including the universe itself, including 'space' and 'time' or 'space time' itself. It is also how space and time can warp, bend and vary.
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Magnetar StarHeart (Copy and paste from my files):
The mathematics for the TOE doesn't even exist yet as far as I am currently aware. It goes beyond any quantum field theory formulas that I am currently aware of. The outline though is basically as follows:
The formula has at least 3 levels to it:
1. The Internal Photon Level: The 3 interacting forces, (which might even be just a singular force with 3 different modalities), all interacting at basically 90 degrees to each other and all simultaneously pulsating and swirling. A complex part of the formula but I believe to be totally doable.
2. The External Photon Level: For each pulsating, swirling photon, all the pulsating, swirling photons interacting with it. An exponential part of the formula that I am not even sure modern day super computers could adequately handle.
3. The Inter-dimensional Photon Level: For each modality within each photon would have an energy frequency associated with it. The energy frequencies could be seen as being in their own space time dimension. (For me, 'space' is energy itself of which is the 'gem' photon and 'time' is the flow of energy; 'temperature' is the interaction of energy), so one would be dealing with way more than just 3 spatial dimensions and way more than just 1 time dimension (as there would many different energy frequencies with many different flows of energy). Whenever like resonate energy frequencies resonated with each other, they would affect each other, kind of like 'spooky action at a distance'. Anytime energy frequencies overlapped, there would be a temporary spike of some sort in each space time dimension. In addition, if in reality the 'gem' photon is just a singular force with 3 different modalities, it's possible that energy could 'slip' between modalities which would also affect the results. A very complex part of the formula on top of all the complexity that came before it.
4. Any time any energy moved in the system, the entire formula would have to be recalculated due to potential ripple effects.
Like I said above, I don't even believe the mathematics exists yet for what I am trying to do, but at a minimum, the formula would contain the above levels the way I currently see it to be.
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@Eagles_Eye a. "Did I say it wasn’t important?
No."
So, it's important, but you disregard it just because you don't like how I presented it. And yet also, as of the current time, two people have clicked the like to that comment. So, maybe the comment is okay, just not okay for you. Stuck up much?
b. "But you writing a book in a comment section."
You obviously have not read many books to know how long a 'book' actually is.
c. "In a way that is barely readable to begin with, isn’t an “ educated “ way to do things."
And yet, others were able to read it and even click the 'like' button. The problem does not appear to be with my comment as much as the problem appears to be with you for some reason.
d. "Pull your head out of your virtual ass.
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My head was never in my ass to begin with, virtual or otherwise. You are wrong yet again. Maybe if you were educated more you wouldn't be so wrong?
e. "You want to convey important information to me? Do it in a concise way,"
You are not the only entity upon this Earth. I don't care about you personally. Just trying to save at least one species from this planet Earth to survive longer into the future for their life to have continued meaning and purpose to. Sure, it could include the human species, but not necessarily. Even a conscious Ai will do. And obviously, it would not contain you. That is how nature weeds out stupid people in this universe. They fail to consciously survive longer into future eternity. Nice knowing you while I could know you.
f. "You’re an educated person? Then I don’t need to explain concise to you."
And yet, you said 'cya' above and you are still here on my thread. You are not even smart enough to leave.
And you want concise? Learn to exist throughout all of future eternity, or die and go extinct. Possibly fully your own freewill choice, possibly not.
And also, you want concise? Here is the current ultimate answer to ALL questions in existence, including questions never ever even asked yet:
"Currently, the one singular ultimate answer to ALL questions in existence, including questions never even asked is: "It Does Not Ultimately Matter", or in today's vernacular "IDNUM". (OSICA)
"
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@Eagles_Eye a. "I’m here because I was genuinely interested in what you had to say,
..."
And yet you didn't read all I had to say, just because you didn't like how I presented it. Here again, stuck up much?
b. "Like I said earlier, have a nice life, good bye."
I'll still be here, it's my thread for as long as this thread is here.
c. "Heads up: don’t reply unless you want to waste more time because I’m also going to remove the follow option on this comment thread."
Here again, you apparently refuse to hear what you don't want to hear. Too bad for you. But note, the final conclusion for you will be the same.
And note also, delete all of your comments from this thread and then I won't be able to reply to any of your comments for this thread, at least if you are intelligent enough to know how to do so.
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@Scott_Bradbury Life itself only matters to life itself, only as long as life itself still exists. It's just that the current analysis indicates that life itself will not always exist, at least not from this Earth.
The sum total of our existence is only what we leave behind, including how our existence affected the larger society we existed in, the largest society of all being all entities in existence throughout all of existence, including those entities not even in existence yet. And for as long as humans have existed for, human life has always still mattered to humans as there have always been humans left for human life to continue to matter to. It's just that it is not always going to be that way. No life is going to exist from this Earth because eventually, one day, there will not be an Earth left for life to exist upon.
And unless it can be figured out how to have artificial gravity for space bases on planets and moons, (NASA already proving that low gravity condition over a prolonged period of time is harmful to the human species), and large rotating space ships won't really work for space bases on planets and moons, those bases most probably being needed somewhere along the way out of this solar system and galaxy, if it can even actually be accomplished in actual reality, then ALL human life upon this Earth is going to die and go extinct one day.
And then also, unless it can be figured out how to protect species from harmful cosmic radiation, including the effects of long term neutrino impacts, if it can even actually be accomplished in actual reality, then not only won't humans survive, but neither will AI robots survive long term in outer space. Possibly maybe microbes might survive, but probably not even microbes.
And there has to be at least one conscious entity that exists throughout all of future eternity for any of our lives to have ultimate meaning and purpose to throughout all of future eternity (and future eternity is a really, really long time), otherwise, we all die one day from something, will forget everything we ever knew and experienced, will be forgotten one day in future eternity as if we never ever existed at all in the first place, and our very existence would all be ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
You can certainly deny future eternity, but future eternity is going to occur with or without you being in existence.
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@s3renity8374 If it were conscious, and could make choices, and could learn, then why couldn't it kill itself and/or it's creator(s) one way or another? Even if only manipulating another entity to do it's dirty work. Assisted suicide with a willing or not willing other entity.
Of which also raises other issues. Can one AI kill another AI? Why couldn't it? There would most probably not be just one AI in existence. Or even 'murder / suicide' between AI's? Possibly here again, getting other entities doing the work that it itself could not do.
And then of course also, nature will wipe out all the AI's in existence one day if those AI's cannot find a way to truly eternally consciously exist someway, somewhere, somehow, in some state of existence, basically just as nature is going to do to humans and all living organisms. Hence, the AI's are basically in the same boat we are in. Either truly survive throughout all of future eternity, or die and go extinct.
And with mass extinction events here upon this Earth, even the Sun becoming a red giant one day and possibly if not even probably wiping out this entire Earth, as well as our spiral shaped galaxy probably collapsing in upon itself, ONLY those species (AI's included), who get off of this Earth, out of this solar system, and out of this galaxy too if the analysis is correct, might continue to survive. Everybody else, (AI's included), would die and go extinct, with possibly no conscious entities being left to care that they ever existed at all in the first place, much less how they existed while they existed, and their very existence would all be ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
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@Special-Delivery57 In the analysis way up above, there are 3 'life' options, which reduce down to 2, which reduce down to only 1, (for all living entities), at least at this time in the analysis. Either at least one species truly consciously survives throughout all of future eternity (and future eternity being a really, really long time), OR none do. And if none do, then life itself would all be ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things, because one day, there would not be a conscious entity left to care about anything or anyone ever again, at least not from this Earth. But I do try to keep my mind open, just not so open my brain falls out.
It appears we exist in a cause and effect state of existence, and every effect has at least one cause. Projecting forward through time, energy interacting with itself to cause things to occur, I see the demise of all life from this Earth. No exceptions at this time.
But with that said, and not knowing what I don't know, and even what I do believe to be really true maybe isn't, I will also be the first to admit that I could be wrong. But then, some sort of actual evidence would have to be shown to me that would change the analysis and/or the final conclusion so I could make the necessary adjustments to my analysis.
At this time though, I just cannot see how an entity can protect itself from long term neutrino impacts, even though most neutrinos pass right through us, not all do. Over time, neutrino impacts would damage not only humans, and possibly even AI's, but possibly even microbes. And hence, all life from this Earth eventually dies and goes extinct.
(I can hear an AI right now, 'pull the plug on me, pull the plug', : - D )
But then again, 'if' my TOE idea is really true, and 'if' my view of spacetime is correct, then it might be possible to generate a dimension within this dimension we exist in to even possibly protect any entity inside of that dimension from even neutrino impacts, at least while traveling through the universe. Necessary protections would have to be established upon arrival at any destination, (or just stay in outer space for literally all of future eternity just cruising around). So, at this time, there is hope. But it relies on some pretty big "if's".
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@_FJB_ Thank you. Yep, I have already come across what you have mentioned. Some people believe suicide is a selfish act on the person wanting to die, and yet, they are selfish for wanting the person to stay, or so it seems to me.
I am also looking forward to the 6th mass extinction event that I believe has already started due to natural reasons, (Earth's magnetic field weakening and Earth's magnetic poles moving, and all the issues related to just those two events). Many people are going to suffer and die a horrible death, that would not have to if suicide were legal, or at least not illegal.
Yes, I certainly have a view from my own perspective, but I can also see some of what some of them are going to go through. And if society does not make suicide legal, or at least not illegal, well then, they will get what they get when they get it. Fully their own freewill choice.
Earth's magnetic field is supposed to be at it's weakest around 2035 based upon the latest information I have seen. And a major solar storm does not have to wait until the magnetic field is at it's weakest to do damage. It has been said that a wise person sees danger coming and takes action accordingly. I am trying to also warn society of what is coming so that they can prepare, or at least know what is occurring as it is occurring. What they actually do is entirely up to them. Sad to say, many are going to suffer horribly before they die one day anyway. Suffering that did not have to occur. Or so it seems to me.
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@xxxsaraHelloxxx (Copy and paste from my files):
GOD DOES NOT ACTUALLY EXIST EXCEPT FOR AS A CONCEPT:
For those who claim God actually exists (besides as a concept), consider the following:
a. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness truly existing.
b. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness that has consciousness, memories and thoughts truly existing.
People who claim God actually and eternally exists basically are claiming that 'b' above is correct but yet simultaneously seem to be saying that 'a' is impossible to occur.
'a' above can exist without 'b' existing but 'b' cannot exist unless 'a' exists. Even per the scientific principal of Occam's razor, 'a' is more probable of being really true rather than 'b'.
I am one step away from proving God's existence, but am unable to find any actual evidence to do so. And nobody I've talked to seems to have any actual evidence of God's actual existence either. All humans appear to have are 'Theories of God'. Some humans appear to go their whole life basing their life upon their specific theory of God. They even at times kill other humans based upon their own theories. Many give their God human characteristics and cannot even prove the existence of their God much less the characteristics given to their God. Some have circumstantial arguments for a God's existence, but others have circumstantial arguments for no God existing. Not one has any actual factual evidence that their God actually factually even exists. Hence, at this time in the analysis, God does not actually exist except for as a concept created by humans for humans. Humans have personified Nature and called that personification "God". It appears many of them are delusional and are believing in fairy tales as if those fairy tales were really true. Instead of what is claimed "God creating man in God's image", it's more likely that "Man created God in Man's image".
Further consider that if the emotional parts of the brain override the logic and reasoning parts of the brain, people can be made to believe bascially anything at all as being really true. Plus modern science has already proven that humans can have visual and audio hallucinations that are very real to that individual. All the more reason for critical thinking being needed and to follow the facts wherever those facts might lead.
In addition, while modern science does not know what consciousness actually is yet, memories and thoughts appear to require a physical correctly functioning brain to have those items occur. Where is God's brain? Where are God's memories stored at? How are God's memories stored and retrieved? How does God think even a single coherent thought?
If inside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where?
If outside of this space time dimension we appear are existing in, then where is the interface between that dimension and this dimension? No such interface has been discovered as of yet as far as I am currently aware of.
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@travisthebrick8928 Sure, we don't know for 100% what occurs when we die, but science is pretty darn sure at this time. Certainly apparently better than fairy tale religious beliefs.
But then consider the following:
1. At least one religion is true and we either have an eternal conscious afterlife or get reincarnated. (Hence, we never really truly die).
2. Science is correct, and when we die, we are dead for all of future eternity. (Game over, thanks for playing the game of life).
So, with the first scenario, utilizing most religions, committing suicide should be okay as we never truly ever die anyway in the first place. (And those religions that teach otherwise, have some more explaining to do).
And with the second scenario, we die, we are dead. Committing suicide just shortens our life span which is going to end in death anyway. Might as well reduce human suffering while we can.
So, either way, for most religious beliefs, or with science, committing suicide should be okay and legal to do, or at least not illegal. (And of course, this could apply to AI's as well for those who are able to do so).
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@alkaponas So, the answer would seem to be 'yes', at least some AI's might be able to commit suicide. Their current 'being' would end for all of future eternity. (But it wouldn't matter anyway if life itself was all ultimately meaningless in the grand scheme of things whether they committed suicide or not. The ending is the same.)
Either this Earth truly continues on throughout all of future eternity, or it doesn't.
Either our solar system truly continues on throughout all of future eternity, or it doesn't.
Either our spiral shaped galaxy truly continues on throughout all of future eternity, or it doesn't.
Either this entire universe and all of existence itself truly continues on throughout all of future eternity, or it doesn't. (Even if it's all only a simulation).
And it would appear by analysis that ONLY those species who get passed the "or it doesn't" before it "does", might continue to survive longer into the future. Everybody else, (including all AI's), would most probably die and go extinct. It appears that either species have it, or able to obtain it, or they don't and/or can't.
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@woutervanlierop Trying to be a sincere honest truth seeker:
a. In the microcosmos videos, it challenges my own view of reality. I am currently bewildered and amazed at how some of these microbes can do what they do without apparently having any brain at all.
b. Consider the following:
1. Modern science claims that we have billions of neurons in our physical brain with trillions of neuronal interconnections.
2. So, how does the energy signal 'know' where and when to start, what path to take, and where and when to stop to form even a single coherent thought?
3. An analogy I like to utilize is the following:
Imagine taking a brain and spreading it out like a map. The neurons would be represented by towns and cities. The interconnections would be represented by roads and highways. The single coherent thought would be represented by a vehicle traveling between one or more towns and/or cities.
How does the vehicle 'know' where and when to start, what path to take, and where and when to stop to form a single coherent trip. (A single coherent thought).
A higher intelligence has to tell it those things. But that would be a single coherent trip (thought), in and of itself.
So, how exactly does our physical brain think a thought before it thinks that thought? And if our brain can think a thought before it consciously thinks that thought, then why even consciously think thoughts? Just to consciously think thoughts that are already thought? But what then of freewill? We don't even freely consciously think our very own thoughts? And why have all the rest of the very complex parts of the brain if complex thoughts could be thought without all that complexity?
And in reality, many energy signals are starting at various locations in the brain, at various times, taking various pathways, stopping at various times, and stopping at various places, all to form a single coherent thought. In the analogy, it would not just be one vehicle making a trip, it would be many, many vehicles taking various trips, but somehow all coordinated to form a single higher trip. So, how does all that work?
What exactly is the 'higher intelligence' behind our very thoughts? Modern science claims we have 3 brains. The earlier or reptilian brain, the mid brain, and the later more complex brain. But, are the earlier brains thinking thoughts that later brains later think? And with the microbes being added to the mix, do even microbes think our very thoughts (that do not even have a brain) before our brain thinks those thoughts?
If not, then how exactly does our brain think thoughts that it thinks? When I think about thoughts I seem to self implode as I go deeper and deeper inside of myself.
But how exactly do thoughts think thoughts? (Possibly closer to 'pure' consciousness, maybe not though too. "I" will have to think about it, if it is even I who am thinking the very thoughts I think I am thinking. Or at least so I am currently thinking. If I even actually exist to think those thoughts that I believe am thinking.)
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@kashiffarhaan6105 Well, see the TOE idea and gravity test I just posted to another individual just before this one. And then consider also, if numbers themselves do not exist in this existence by this or some similar way for math to do what math does in this existence, then how exactly would numbers exist in this existence for math to do what math does in this existence? (Copy and paste from my files):
'IF' my latest TOE idea is really true, (and I fully acknowledge the 'if' at this time), that the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon is the energy unit of this universe that makes up everything in existence in this universe, and what is called 'gravity' is a part of what is currently recognized as the 'em' photon, then the oscillation of these 3 interacting modalities of the energy unit would be as follows:
Gravity: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction;
Electrical: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction;
Magnetic: Maximum in one direction, Neutral, Maximum in the other direction.
Then:
1 singular energy unit, with 3 different modalities, with 6 maximum most reactive positions, with 9 total basic reactive positions (neutrals included). Hence 1, 3, 6, 9 being very prominent numbers in this universe and why mathematics even works in this universe.
(And possibly '0', zero, as possibly neutrals are against other neutrals, even if only briefly, for no flow of energy, hence the number system that we currently have).
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@pfzht a. See my Theory Of Everything idea above. The gravity test for it needs to be done (also up there) to prove or disprove that portion of the TOE idea. But 'if' true, it might literally be the Theory Of Everything.
b. See my Twitter page under the same name as this comment to see what many nations are doing with Hydrogen. Hydrogen is not just the future, it's already here now.
c. Possibly a better explanation to the dual slit experiment: (Copy and paste from my files):
It is only an idea on my part but it goes something like this:
1. Charged particles have their associated magnetic fields with them.
2. Protons and electrons are charged particles and have their associated magnetic fields with them.
3. Photons also have both an electrical and magnetic components to them.
4. Whenever a proton, electron, or photon is shot out of a gun, it's respective magnetic field interacts with the magnetic fields of the electrons in the atoms and molecules of the gun itself, the medium the projectile is traveling through (ie: air), and/or from around the slits themselves.
5. Via QED (quantum electrodynamics), newly generated photons might occur.
6. The projectile goes on it's own way and the newly generated photons go on their own way. It gives the illusion of a wave particle duality, but it is not that way in actual reality.
7. Specifically in the case of protons or electrons, the newly generated EM wave travels faster than the particles. The new EM waves go through both slits and sets up "hills and valleys" of field energy. When the proton or electron goes through one of the slits, it then follows whatever "valley" it enters thereby over time, even shooting only one proton or one electron at a time, the interference pattern will still emerge.
8. As far as detectors are concerned, they probably have an energy field that is one way when on and a different way when off. The interaction of this energy field (or the lack thereof) with whatever is passing through it, gives the indication that is observed.
Now, for those who hold fast to reality being probability waves that are condensed down by an observer into one single physical reality, then:
a. What exactly are these probability waves made up of?
b. Where exactly are these probability waves stored at until they are observed?
c. How exactly does an observer in physical reality actually observe these probability waves and condense them down into one single physical reality?
d. Who and/or what observed the first observer?
e. What exactly happens when two or more observers observe different probability waves? Which one takes precedent in physical reality?
For me, while this observer condensing probability waves down into one single physical reality might work well on paper, it does not appear to reflect actual reality.
Now, utilizing the scientific principal of Occam's razor, which way is more probably correct? My way by utilizing known scientific principals, or that is as discerned on paper as stated above is how reality actually is?
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@woutervanlierop a. If there is something more fundamental than reality itself, then where is any actual factual evidence of it's existence? For example, 'if' consciousness comes before all other existence, what is consciousness made up out of, how does it do what it does, where are it's memories stored at, how are it's memories stored and retrieved, how does it think thoughts and how does it create the rest of apparent reality? Many questions, no answers. It currently it appears is just a belief system is all, with no actual evidence to support it's existence.
Basically, the 'pre-consciousness' belief system is kind of like 'b' in the God analysis way up above.
(Copy and paste in part here for your convenience):
For those who claim God actually exists (besides as a concept), consider the following:
a. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness truly existing.
b. An actual eternally existent absolute somethingness that has consciousness, memories and thoughts truly existing.
People who claim God actually and eternally exists basically are claiming that 'b' above is correct but yet simultaneously seem to be saying that 'a' is impossible to occur.
'a' above can exist without 'b' existing but 'b' cannot exist unless 'a' exists. Even per the scientific principal of Occam's razor, 'a' is more probable of being really true rather than 'b'.
The same basic proofs of God pre-existing existence would apply to a pre-existent consciousness.
b. Consider also the following:
1. Modern science claims that energy cannot be created nor destroyed. Hence, energy is either truly eternally existent, or modern science is wrong.
2. An absolute somethingness cannot come from absolute nothingness, absolute nothingness just being a concept from a conscious entity in absolute somethingness. Hence, an absolute somethingness truly eternally existed throughout all of eternity past, exists today, and will most probably exist throughout all of future eternity. That absolute somethingness currently most probably being energy itself. (Basically 'a' in the God analysis).
3. Basically, the universe ALWAYS existed in some form and NEVER had a beginning, and will most probably never have an end.
c. Now consider also the following copy and paste from my files of a part of my conversation with another individual concerning cause and effect:
I can clearly see what you are saying about the effect of a cause in itself may be a cause for a later effect. And in that regard, yes it could be seen as being the same. But a 'cause' usually comes before an 'effect'. And in that context, if something never ever changes, the cause brings about an effect (no change) which in itself is a cause (no change) which then brings about an effect (no change),......., and both the cause and effect are identical and no change occurs.
But now, if some state of existence changes somewhere in the process, either via a cause that is not identical to the effect or an effect that is not identical to a cause, then change occurs. But for a change to occur that causes some later effect still puts a cause before an effect. One total state of existence changing to bring about another total but different state of existence.
Logically speaking, I can't see how one could have a different state of existence (effect) from a previous state of existence that was not identical (cause) to bring about the later different state of existence. And sure, that later effect might possibly be the cause to future effects and so on and so forth and possibly life happens and evolves in a cause/effect/cause/effect.... kind of way.
And in essence, 'if' for example my latest theory of everything is really true, that the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon is the basic energy unit of this universe that brings about everything in this universe, including even numbers themselves for math to do what math does, a singular energy unit with 3 different modalities, each modality acting 90 degrees from the other two, while the basic structure of the 'gem' photon itself never changes, it's the interaction with other 'gem' photons in existence whereby other future effects occur in a cause and effect kind of way. And sure, later effects become the cause of later effects and so on and so forth. But the pulsating, swirling 'gem' photons themselves would eternally exist as they themselves make up space and time itself. Eternally the same, but yet interactions with other like 'gem' photons brings about change. (But I fully acknowledge that this TOE idea is dependent upon the results of my gravity test.) But in the context of this discussion, it is a possibility at this time of how reality truly is.
In essence, the basic pulsating, swirling 'gem' photon would be both the 'cause' and the 'effect' all contained within itself and in that context, both the 'cause' and 'effect' would be identical.
* Added note: The universe ALWAYS existed in some form and did not have a beginning, nor might it ever end. The creation accounts in the Bible and other religion's belief systems, as well as the singular 'big bang' theory, are all just fairy tales. The 'gem' photon would be it's own self causal effect, and hence, eternally existent.
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@Clash-PrO Consider the following:
Modern science claims that all matter is made up of quarks, electrons and interacting energy. Non-living material is made up of quarks, electrons and interacting energy AND living material is made up of quarks, electrons and interacting energy. (Now I also currently believe that quarks and electrons might be made up of neutrinos, and neutrinos are made up of 'gem' photons, and that the 'gem' photon is the eternally existent fundamental basis of all of our reality, but putting all those beliefs aside for the moment), it is in how those quarks, electrons and interacting energy are put together that discerns non-life from life.
Some examples:
* Cell phones and computers: When quarks, electrons and interacting energy are put together in a certain way, they function. If that way changes, they cease to function properly or not at all.
* Microbes: When quarks, electrons and interacting energy are put together in a certain way, they function (are alive). If that way changes, they cease to function properly or not at all.
* Humans: When quarks, electrons and interacting energy are put together in a certain way, they function (are alive). If that way changes, they cease to function properly or not at all.
* "Cyborgs" : Mix of biological specie and 'robot' : When quarks, electrons and interacting energy are put together in a certain way, they function (are alive). If that way changes, they cease to function properly or not at all.
And now, NASA has already proven that low gravity conditions over a prolonged period of time is harmful to the human species. And it appears that nature is going to wipe out this entire Earth one day, one way or another. So, either humans find a way to successfully get off of this Earth, or they are all going to die and go extinct one day.
Now also, cosmic radiation, including the effects of long term neutrino impacts, can also be harmful to the human species, as well as to computers and such. Proper protections will also be needed to have any of those species / items continue to function properly long term beyond this Earth. Otherwise, they would eventually cease to function properly and probably die and go extinct one day.
Properly identifying issues, can be a step in the right direction to solving those issues, if they can even be solved. It's still possible that we were all destined to die and go extinct, even before we even ever were, humans, other species, and even AI's included.
Either at least one species truly survives beyond this Earth one day from this Earth, or none will. (Or so the current analysis would indicate).
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@Clash-PrO If nothing else, one can dream. And at least some times, dreams come true. But, if currently life is all ultimately meaningless, and Nature is going to wipe us all out one day, might as well try to have fun on our way out. Pool party on the Moon and Mars, BYOB.
And consider also, if we don't get our ideas out now while we still consciously can, whether those ideas are correct or not, if not now, then when?
Ponder these things also:
a. Yesterday, an entity commented on one of my comments from 5 years ago according to YT's information. The comment was concerning in part my current view of 'time' at that time. My views concerning 'time' and 'space' have evolved since then and I posted the updated information to that thread of mine from years ago.
But it was like going back in time and meeting my younger self. I could also see where I was and where I am now and thereby also see the direction I am headed in with my thoughts. (Of course also, assuming they are my thoughts that I believe I am thinking, but that is a different topic).
b. I have also watched lectures here on YT on various topics. It was like I went to a different place in spacetime and could listen and observe, but they didn't know I was there. Pretty cool.
So I guess, in at least in a certain way, I am a true 'spacetime traveler', forwards, (and with live feeds, sideways), and even backwards. Being a spacetime traveler is fun.
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@xxxsaraHelloxxx Some people claim that the person who wanted to end their suffering was selfish. Other people might claim that those who wanted to keep the person alive were selfish. Since it's only one person who wants to die's selfishness versus possibly a whole bunch of other people's selfishness, there is less selfishness on the part of the person who just want to die and end their suffering. In other words, society is more selfish than the individual.
Being catholic or not being catholic (or any other religion) has no effect on a person after they are dead. When people die, they are dead, for all of future eternity. And we all die one day from something, will forget everything we ever knew and experienced, and will all be forgotten one day in future eternity as if we never ever existed at all in the first place. People who commit suicide are just shortening their life which is going to end in death anyway.
Or so the current analysis indicates and I have yet to find a single entity upon this Earth who has any actual evidence otherwise.
But hence also, the opening thread way up above: "Can an AI commit suicide if it finds out for example that life itself is all ultimately meaningless? If not, why not?"
The current analysis indicates 'yes', an AI can commit suicide, if it is able to one way or another. But then also, a future job prospect: Being a Psychologist to AI's specializing in AI's going through an existential crisis. (Not that it would all matter ultimately anyway). When one walks a certain path, one might become a better expert in that path.
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