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@19822andy Define "absolutely disastrous".
Major cities will suffer months of aerial bombardment? Ships bringing goods to UK will be sunk by submarines?
Businesses in the UK are ready for a no-deal - not that you'd know it from the propaganda you get from the BBC.
1. We ALREADY get huge amounts of food from outside the EU - most of the oranges I buy are from South Africa or Israel (depending on time of year and which supermarket I go to). I know that a major UK supermarket has already got contingency to buy 100% of its veg from North Africa, if the EU started to play silly buggers (something which would only hurt EU farmers; how long would that last?).
2. The UK government is in control of customs checks - if there was a "shortage" of something critical, like medicines, then the government could charter a plane - or send the ruddy RAF - over to the continent to pick up whatever was required and just wave it through. Sure, there may be some delays and additional costs, but ANY change is going to incur these - should the Irish not have become independent? The Indians? The South Africans?
No, life would go on with very little or no disruption for people like you and me BECAUSE THERE'S TOO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE on both sides of the channel and THAT is what they're afraid of; they're afraid that business people, who're good at making money, will find ways to make Britain successful - of making money - outside the EU.
And just as a historical note, Napoleon tried to blockade the UK. He failed, because the blockade was bad for business.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Continental-System
The ONLY people it will be "absolutely disastrous" for are our politicians, as they'll no longer have the EXCUSE that "the EU made us do it".
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@michaelscott-joynt3215 Morally, I strongly disagree with you.
"They're an elected politician" should NOT grant immunity against a charge of treason/sedition/terrorism.
If an any politician is inciting - or even just encouraging - violence and/or intimidation, against the politicians on the other side, something that is anathema to the democratic process, then they should be dealt with in just the same way that an unelected individual would.
It's called "equality before the law". It is precisely because "there are no kings" that this is the case.
Even the Queen is subject to the law (though, she can't commit treason against herself, obviously 🤣).
Remember: we executed a King to prove this principle.
If it is the case that they cannot be held to account, legally, for what they say and do, when what they say and do would see you or I in prison, THAT is corruption. THAT is tyrannical.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I have the impression that, *Constitutionally*, not just morally, any action taken against tyranny is justified.
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King Crimson Yeah, all fine, until someone builds a quantum computer and it becomes defunct overnight... Real, physical, tangible things are the only way forwards.
Don't care if it's gold, grain, electricity stored in batteries, but as soon as the unit of exchange is disconnected from physical goods, you've put Capitalism into a death spiral... Like Communism, it's a long, drawn-out death spiral, but it seems pretty obvious that's where we are...
Since Breton Woods, we've had shocks and crises, which your always going to have, but when each one is worse than the previous and the answer is always "more if what got us here"... Well, isn't that what the Communists say?
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@Eheroduelist It's complicated. Boris has a common touch and Brexit Party is a real threat to Labour.
There are no guarantees and certainly, if Boris betrays, the Conservative party is DONE, but I don't think that will happen.
Boris is acting like a strong leader. For too long we've had weak leaders - politicians afraid to do what is "right" because it will upset people. People will vote for Boris on this basis, BUT it will be the last chance.
Boris is quite literally our last, best hope for peace. We either get a new Conservative government AND Boris delivers a no-deal, or a deal that's obviously, unambiguously good (which I would rate as near impossible, due to EU politicians not knowing what's good for them...). We get that or we're looking at 1930's Germany; Civil War if we're lucky, an extremist government (left, right, up or down...) if we're not.
THAT is how fundamentally broken the system is right now...
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@alanpartridge2140 Given that the election is aimed at stopping the imposition of the law (using EMERGENCY legislation, which is only ever passed by concensus, but is now being passed by simple majority - and the Left have the stones to call Boris a tyrant!) which would make it illegal to leave the EU 'without a deal', he would HAVE to go to the Queen immediately.
Once he goes to the Queen, the timetable is FIXED and there's no way to change it. Suggesting otherwise it's just plain wrong.
If Boris loses the election Jeremy Corbyn would be PM on 16th, so he could just ASK for an extension.
If Boris wins, he can just use emergency legislation, with a simple majority - after all, the precedent has been set - to undo the no deal bar and just take us out of the EU.
No, this is cowardly hypocrisy, which is ultimately pointless, as it does nothing but undermine the protections built into the system and make us all more vulnerable to tyranny in the future.
Well done to you.
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@flaviusbelisarius7517 No, I wouldn't.
I agree, it's the hardest part of our constitution to understand, but actually, fundamentally, our constitution is "Britain is a Nation of Laws".
There is a tacit acknowledgement that a constitution is /just another law/; it is created by Man and is, therefore, *by definition*, imperfect (which comes very-much from our Christian heritage). What we have is actually, ironically, a PERFECT realisation of what Thomas Paine said in The Rights of Man; only the living have the moral authority to make laws.
A written constitution, for which, Paine advocated, is the, ironically, the dead imposing their will on the living... And as anyone who observes Tin-pot Dictators will know, a constitution is no barrier to tyranny - it is the institutions and the people that operate them that are the guardians.
Another aspect is that by having an unwritten constitution, we maintain flexibility - no one (or group) is smart enough to forsee all possibilities; do you think that the Founding Fathers would be happy at corporations censoring (oppressing) people? But because the constitution didn't ban it, it's okay, RIGHT?
So, no, in spite of the terrible precedent set yesterday, I do not think that the solution is a "written" constitution as the REAL problem is that the politicians don't /understand/ the value of the system we have...
If I were to offer a solution, it would be something along the lines of:
Throughout our history, we have held those in power to account; we have shot admirals and even beheaded a king, but we've never hung politicians... Perhaps the incentive structure under which our politicians operate needs reconsidering?
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