Comments by "faron tilley" (@forzaisspeed) on "Matsimus"
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I've never been excited or anything for a new Abrams upgrade, fact is all the small things that get upgraded on new Abrams all fall short in my opinion due to the Abrams still using a L44 gun.
And yes you can make it sound like the Abrams is having bug upgrades done to it, but against the 3 main things that make a tank a tank ( Armour - Mobility - Firep Power ), the upgraded optics and census are good yes but nothing to write home about.
Take the Challenger 2 a tank that has a L30 120mm L55 Rifled Gun one of the best guns in my opinion, but it may not have the best pen at around 660mm using CHARM 3, but its the most accurate at longer ranges then any other. The Armour classed as the strongest armour to date Dorchester has kept the Challenger 2 really the only tank Undefeated in combat to date. The Mobility is yes not the best it's still fast, but its 1200BHP engine vs the 72+ Tone weight does show.
But the Challenger 3 is not just getting new optics and census, it's getting a new Gun unfortunately not a Rifled Gun but a L55a1 120mm, new 3rd Generation Armour from the same people that invented Chobham and Dorchester, so it'll be even stronger then before, plus a new 1500BHP engine supposedly if it gets a green light.
So you have a tank like the Abrams that has been Destroyed so many times in combat that needs to have all these little upgrades here and there from time to time to try to stay relevant to be honest, vs a Tank that is Undefeated in its service in combat not forgetting fighting the same enemy and having the same weapons used against it like the Abrams had, the Challenger 2 to Challenger 3 is the biggest upgrade news for NATO in tanks for Years, most likely since 80-90's.
So what I think has happened and happens all the time is that there are a lot of US fanboy's out there, who because its a American Tank its the best, when in reality its not, and its not all American, in fact the Abrams is the least original country's tank out of Tank making country's in NATO.
Britain has the Challenger 2.
France has the Leclerc.
Germany has the Leopard 2.
And yes all tanks have parts small or big from other country's, but not has much as the Abrams does.
You can argue that the Gun is made in the US as much as you want, that doesn't mean anything, fact is the M256 is a Licensed copy build of the German L44, its not a American gun, same with its armour and a lot of its suspension system.
The Russian T-14 is stated to have over 1000mm effective frontal armour, so the M829a4 from the L44 wouldn't be able to pen it, and you ignore the people that stay it has over 1000mm of pen when in reality a round fired from a L44 wouldn't pen more then the same round fired from a L55.
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Good Video just a few points.
1st - Considering the Challenger 2 is the ONLY tank that has seen combat and not been destroyed, I would say the Challenger 2 has proven to be the best.
2nd - The L55a1 vs L30 argument is very thin, yes the L55a1 may have a higher pen but not by much, the L30 is still able to pen all known armour today.
3rd - The Lower Front Plate on the Challenger 2 is not weak like people say it is, in fact only 1 Challenger 2 was helf penned by a RPG at very close range, and yet the Challenger 2 and Driver was able to get back to base, the Challenger 2 was fixed and was back on the frontline in a short time, The Abrams has been penned more then once in the Lower Front Plate.
4th - The only real reason why the Challenger 3 has gone with the L55a1 is "Money", its cheaper to go with a NATO Gun and rounds for all NATO countries so the US or Germans can just use the UK's rounds.
5th - The L30 is more accurate at longer ranges, having the higher Fire of Effects Range, better then the L55 and M256/L44.
6th - Not to mention HESH is more capable in more areas, and that most armour on the Enemy Tanks won't have as good armour as NATO tanks, then HESH would still be capable and again more capable in other ways.
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The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
To read more about why theirs the reason why below.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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1st, the F-35 is shit End.
2nd, the Best is the Eurofighter, below is why the Eurofighter is better then the F-22.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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@bluntcabbage6042
1st - Yes plenty of Abrams from others have been Destroyed, but so have US running Abrams over the years, the first lose with the Abrams was in Operation Granby where the US lost 4 Abrams.
Number of Abrams lost :
Around 20-37 Lost by Enemy Fire.
Around 7 Lost by Friendly Fire.
Over 100+ Lost By SDC, after being to badly damaged or unable to be recovered.
2nd - You say the T-14 is a paper tiger due to numbers, fact is the Abrams was the same at start barley any numbers, fact is way most Americans talk shit about the T-14, is because there scread of it. The T-14 first 5th gen tank with some very good armour, in testing the T-14's Front plate has been able to stop 120mm L50+ Rounds, papers came out mid November last year 2021, you can Google them to read yourself.
3rd - The US uses more of other country's Hardware Software Tech Parts Designs and Engineering then any other Major Player in NATO for their own Military.
The Abrams M256 is a licensed copy of the L44, yes it's a "Slightly" modified version, but its still a L44.
Without the L44 being Licensed to the US to be made, the US wouldn't have had a 120mm for a very long time, and would have needed to use the British 105mm L7 like they have been using for years already.
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Can someone explain why the UK sold 55% of BAE Land to Germany, why did they think killing a British owned company was a good idea, the UK lost its biggest Land based system, now RBSL is a German company, the UK only has 45%, so how it that a 'Joint Adventure' ?.
Not to mention by doing so has just killed over 100 years of British Tank design and development, ie, the Challenger 3 is now German not British. Yes the US Abram's uses a German Gun and British Armour, but at least its owned by an American company, unlike the the Challenger 3, with it's Gun - Turret - Design - systems - and more being German but also owned by a German Company now.
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The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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@stubbk3
Considering the Abrams and Leopard 2 have had more blue on blue destroyed, and fact the Abrams Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 all haven't seen combat in years, fact the Challenger 2 is still king on the battlefield, battle proven against the enemy undefeated, plus the Abrams Sep V3 and Leopard 2a7 have not seen any combat and properly won't seen combat by the time the Challenger 3 is in service, where back at the start with the top 3 tanks in service non on witch has seen combat just going on numbers, fact the Challenger 2 to this day is still king.
The Abrams Sep V3 is still using the L44/M256 is a 44 cal a shorter barrel then both L30 L55 and L55a1, US still using its older armour at is on the M1A2+.
The Leopard 2a7 is using the new L55a1 a more powerful version of the L55 on the a6, still using its older armour but with some design changes to help.
The Challenger 3 will also be using the L55a1 with updated armour going from already the strongest armour to date being 2nd gen Dorchester on the Challenger 2, to 3rd gen armour made by the same people that made Chobham and Dorchester, and yes a new engine 1200 to 1500.
Challenger 3 looks like to be the better tank out of the 3 new versions.
You don't need quantity when you have quality so 148 yes may seem small, but when you have for example 30 Challenger 3's going up against 100 T-90's the Challenger 3 would still win.
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@TrangleC
1st, The reason why people class different jet's this gen or that gen, makes no sense, but it's like IPhone's a new comes out with a new thing and the Numbers go up to make it sound better with a newer version.
2nd, It's funny to be honest, that a 4++ gen jet the Eurofighter can easily beat any 5th gen, but you get kids that think the higher the number it must be better, while if history has taught us anything, is that's not always the case.
3rd, Plus it makes people feel better when they think they have the newer toy then others, just with a higher number 😂🤣.
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@cringebaby2558
Read this for a better understanding of the Eurofighter and F-22.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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@hans2936
Kid you stupid or stupid.
The Eurofighter is much better then the Rafale, and your wrong saying that the Rafale wins, most the Eurofighter wins from Red Flag and other games, the Eurofighter wins in all areas in specs and performance.
For Example the only jet that comes close to the Eurofighter is the F-22, read below to help you understand stand why.
One more thing the Eurofighter is classed as a 4.5 gen more advanced then the Rafale.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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I love it when dumb kid's say that the F-22 is the best or that it's on a different level, those kid's read to much Wikipedia, for example here is a few years of reading real reports and papers putting the Eurofighter against the F-22.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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