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The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, it's not.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example and some others to compare.
Speed /
Eurofighter - 1550 mph - Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 - 1495 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
Rafale - 1381 mph - Mach 1.8 TMS.
F-16 - 1500 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
F-35 - 1200 mph - Mach 1.56 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Rafale 50,000f.
F-16 50,000+f.
F-35 50,000f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - 28.5 D/S.
F-22 - 27 D/S.
Rafale - 27 D/S.
F-16 - 18 D/S.
F-35 - 11 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - 36.5 D/S.
F-22 - 35 D/S.
Rafale - 36 D/S.
F-16 - 26 D/S.
F-35 - 26.5 D/S.
There where some examples of how different jet's line up, now focusing more on the Eurofighter vs F-22.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Most jet's can pull 9+ G's but only some can high -G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target, and has night vision built in, with out needing a different piece of equipment on the pilots head.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
Plus the Eurofighter has many different radars at different wave's, around the Jet's body, helping it in RWS's and able to see a 360 decrease around the Jet.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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@KjetilBalstad
Makes sure you read it carefully, not like dumbass kids that just try to attack 1 or 2 areas.
The Eurofighter is the best.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers and speaking with pilots themselves on the matter, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example and some others to compare.
Speed /
Eurofighter - 1550 mph - Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 - 1495 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
Rafale - 1381 mph - Mach 1.8 TMS.
F-16 - 1500 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
F-35 - 1200 mph - Mach 1.56 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 65,000 f.
Rafale 50,000f.
F-16 50,000+f.
F-35 50,000f.
The Sustained and Instantaneous Turn Rates, reports and papers that I've read over the years, state some what different numbers to others, so I've found the mid of the numbers for a ( about number ), for example the Eurofighter some reports and papers say between 26 to 31 D/S, so about 28.5 D/S and again for the F-22 between 25 to 29.5 D/S so about 27 D/S.
But just to say that yes the F-22 uses 1D Thrust Vectoring, but the Eurofighter had the highest number, in most reports and papers, but I'll get to why Thrust Vectoring on the F-22 is not something you want to trust in, due to its quick energy bleed and loss of speed quite fast, and if it does not get in to position quickly, it's like a sitting duck.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 28.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 27 D/S.
Rafale - about 27 D/S.
F-16 - about 18 D/S.
F-35 - about 11 to 16 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 36.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 35 D/S.
Rafale - about 36 D/S.
F-16 - about 26 D/S.
F-35 - about 26.5 D/S.
Now focusing more on the Eurofighter vs F-22.
Engine Thrust /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced, with a reliability rate of over 1000 hours and still performance like new.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so a higher Thrust to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Most jet's can pull 9+ G's but only some can high -G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D, as well the Meteor uses a ramjet meaning it maintains power to the target, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km, and the ASRAAM is a 6.5inch diameter vs the 5inch on the AIM-9X so about a 70% more volume rocket propellant, meaning a longer burn time.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km, range 30+km.
And both AIM-9X and ASRAAM use a IR seeker, so heat seeking and the ASRAAM and newer 9X's able to be used as LOAL and LOBL with the ASRAAM being able to outperform the 9x in 180 over the shoulder launches, and with the ASRAAM using IR imaging to better its ability.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and less time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it.
Just to point out that the numbers on all missiles like the 120D Meteor R-77 PL-15 and so on, all have a range of what it can do with still the ability to hit a target ( effective range ), but most of the time it's in good weather conditions, so ranges will very.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target, and has night vision built in, with out needing a different piece of equipment on the pilots head.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today Captor M most powerfule in its class Plus it has a wider field of view then some electronic scan radar with a fixed plate, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once, plus the new Captor E Radar will and is one of the most powerfule Morden Radars for the Future.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well but even though the F-22 may see the Eurofighter at about 200km the 120D's range is 160km max and no pilot will use max range, and with the Eurofighter jamming for example in some exercise the F-22 was not able to get a lock until about 30km away from the Eurofighter, and same with F-22 and most jet's having jamming to stop the lock on's, but the F-22's radar cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
Plus the Eurofighter has many different radars and systems around the Jet's body, helping it in RWS's and able to see a 360 decrease around the Jet, plus the Eurofighter's new Captor E Radar being able to fire Missiles then turn the jet more then 90 dec and still having the ability of guiding the Missiles to the target, as well as the Striker 2 gives the Eurofighter a bigger advantage in a BVR fight, but the F-22 does not have such abilitys and with just the one radar for fox 1 and fox 3's for example needs to maintain the Radar pointing at its target, meaning the F-22 is getting closer and closer to its target, and does not have IRST like the Eurofighter so the F-22 is blind in the heat seeking area, plus with the Eurofighter's IRST Pirate has a range of over 70 - 100km and able to pick up a stealth jet like the F-22 at 50+km, meaning the Eurofighter can fire a ASRAAM at the F-22, and it being a Imaging IR missile it is harder for the F-22's RWS to pick up on, not impossible but harder to see, the F-22 does not have other systems around the body to help guide any missile after it turns beyond its radar sight, so making the F-22 again having to stay pointing at the enemy getting closer and closer to it, and with the Eurofighter have IFF DASS MIDS LDP DVI VTAS HOTAS and IRST as well as the mean radar and others the Eurofighter is just getting better and better, as well as its specs and proformas.
In War Games the Eurofighter and F-22 have both won against each other in WVR, but the Eurofighter and F-22 have not fought in BVR yet.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is a Swing-Roll as well meaning it can hold both air to air and air to ground payloads at the same time, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
Eurofighter King.
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Just pointing out a few things for you.
1st) You said about the fact that the law is there to "Stop" those looking to do bad things with knives, but if you are planning on doing said bad thing, you would follow the rules in the first place, plus the law isn't working. Fact the knife killings and attacks are still going up, the only people being penalised are those like we in the knife and EDC community, we follow the law cause where not stupid, but the law is as dumb as a sack of spuds.
2nd) You seem to get leaving out a big part in the law for example, when looking at the knife laws look under "Lock Knives", and there you will see what the government classes a lock knife to be.
( have blades that can be locked and refolded only by pressing a Button ).
Now you have 2 words there "Only" and "Button". Now a Liner Lock isn't a button nor is a ring lock for example.
3rd) The law on Knives like I said before only penalises those in the EDC and Knife world, the fact that most and one report in 2019 states that over 70% of killings and attacks where done by Kitchen Knives over 20% by Hunting Knives and Machetes, with less then 5% by Folding Knives. That number has not really changed in 2021 and last month in 2022, the difference is more people are using Kitchen Kinves so it's around 80% now or so.
One more thing, people like me again in the EDC and Knife community all have knives that costs a lot of money, yes we would love to carry a £150 PM2 for example but we can't, because people that go around with £1 Kitchen Kinves. In fact most of the knives taken by the police from gang member something like 80% all cost less then £15 with around £25 being the most in most cases like the cheap Machetes you can get online.
If you ask me stop killing the EDC Community and start to understand that laws don't work when based on "Going after the bad guys", again if they want to do damage they don't give a fuck about the laws.
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All Facts and Specs are Online for all to read.
The F-35 A B and C types are shit.
The F-35 Can't move its slow less hard points range is bad and Hight is bad.
The F-35 has the worse turn of a jet today.
Speed /
1200mph Mach 1.56.
In Stealth Mode, Will lower in Beast Mode, due to Drag and Weight to about 1000 mph.
Sustained Turn /
11 D/S.
In Stealth Mode, Will lower in Beast Mode, due to Drag and Weight to about 9.5 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn /
26.5 D/S.
In Stealth Mode, Will lower in Beast Mode, due to Drag and Weight to about 22 - 24 D/S.
Hight /
50,000f.
In Stealth Mode and Beast Mode.
Engine's Thrust /
Single Non-Thrust Vectoring 40,000ibf.
All 3 Type's.
Hard Points Stealth Mode /
A and C types 4 - 6.
B type 4.
Hard Points Beast Mode /
A and C types 10 - 12.
B type 10.
Combat Range No Fuel Tanks in Stealth Mode /
A type 590nm.
B type 450nm.
C type 600+nm.
G's in Stealth Mode /
A type 9G.
B type 7.5G.
C type 8G.
Weapons /
Only the A type has a inbuilt Single 25mm with 182 rounds, but can't fire it does not shot straight and cam crack the airframe.
B and C types need a Gun Pod for a Single 25mm with 220 rounds but this takes up a Hard Point lowering its Missiles count.
The F-35 does Not yet use the Much Better Meteor Missile at the moment its useing the AIM-120D BVR Slower then the Meteor at Mach 4 Not as agile a No Escape Zone of only 20km and a range of max 160km but only if the enemy is coming towards you and not away, it's also using the AIM-9X and ASRAAM WVR Missiles, with a mixture of bombs like the Paveway 4 LGB.
The F-35 has been seen by S-400 Systems now for a while its stealth means fuck all in a real fight, and have been seen by other Country's Radar Systems as well.
The only thing not killing the F-35 off is that people have put billions in the program.
The F-35's RAM Coating have been Peeling off over time at Hight Temperatures.
The F-35 is not good for a jet to do all things, it can't do anything good.
Plus the F-35 is not up to its so called 80% Combat Ready.
Jets that can Easily Destroy the F-35 are /
Eurofighter Rafale Gripin SU-57 J-20 F-15 F-16-18 F-22 SU-27-29 plus more, all of these Jets have Much Better specs in All or some Aeras.
Just cause the F-35 can see slightly lower, does not mean fuck all in a real fight, the F-35 Can't do anything until it gets with in 160km max with the AIM-120D, and before the F-35 gets in that range enemy Jets would have seen the F-35 already, plus the F-35 Radar is not the best in use, and the F-35 Stealth is not as good as people think from the side's and back top and bottom still gives big RCS and most jets have Stealth RAM Coating, but most jet's don't push stealth 1st unlike the F-35, that is way the F-35 Can't fight or hold as much.
One more thing the Helmet is not 100% working at the moment, and the F-35 still has over 500+ Software Glitches.
And many more things wrong with the F-35.
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@LRRPFco52
The F-35 won't win as easy as you say it will against 4.5 gen jet's, for example jets like the Eurofighter or Gripin would win most if not all WVR fights and in a BVR fight both F-35 and Eurofighter would be basically 50/50, for example yes the F-35 may have a more powerful radar for now the APG-81 but the Eurofighter is getting the Captor E-2 system witch out classes APG-81 in a lot of areas and going to make the Eurofighter able to see the F-35 or F-22 from 55-60km up to around double that, going in to Defenses both are top class with the F-35's DAS and the Eurofighter's DASS, with the Eurofighter's Pirate System and the F-35's EOTS both are able to find track one another, but just cause the F-35 can see the Eurofighter from 170km means nothing really the F-35 does not have a weapon able to use that distance, the F-35 uses the 120D yes a range of 160km but against a Eurofighter the 120D's range for a good chance for a hit goes down to around 40-50km, yes it may be classed as a 80km hit but against not as agile and Morden Fighter like again the Eurofighter, while the Eurofighter is using the Meteor 90-100km good hit rate against Morden Fighter Jet's like the F-35, yes the Eurofighter may only see the F-35 from around 60km from the face of it, but as soon as the F-35 turns, the RCS like all jet's goes up, while the Pirate system can see the F-35 from 70+km from all angles on a good day around 100km.
In tearms of BVR Eurofighter vs F-35 it really is down to the pilots now both UK and US are the best of the Best, with both helping to train each other, so a BVR fight would most likely be 50/50.
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I've never been excited or anything for a new Abrams upgrade, fact is all the small things that get upgraded on new Abrams all fall short in my opinion due to the Abrams still using a L44 gun.
And yes you can make it sound like the Abrams is having bug upgrades done to it, but against the 3 main things that make a tank a tank ( Armour - Mobility - Firep Power ), the upgraded optics and census are good yes but nothing to write home about.
Take the Challenger 2 a tank that has a L30 120mm L55 Rifled Gun one of the best guns in my opinion, but it may not have the best pen at around 660mm using CHARM 3, but its the most accurate at longer ranges then any other. The Armour classed as the strongest armour to date Dorchester has kept the Challenger 2 really the only tank Undefeated in combat to date. The Mobility is yes not the best it's still fast, but its 1200BHP engine vs the 72+ Tone weight does show.
But the Challenger 3 is not just getting new optics and census, it's getting a new Gun unfortunately not a Rifled Gun but a L55a1 120mm, new 3rd Generation Armour from the same people that invented Chobham and Dorchester, so it'll be even stronger then before, plus a new 1500BHP engine supposedly if it gets a green light.
So you have a tank like the Abrams that has been Destroyed so many times in combat that needs to have all these little upgrades here and there from time to time to try to stay relevant to be honest, vs a Tank that is Undefeated in its service in combat not forgetting fighting the same enemy and having the same weapons used against it like the Abrams had, the Challenger 2 to Challenger 3 is the biggest upgrade news for NATO in tanks for Years, most likely since 80-90's.
So what I think has happened and happens all the time is that there are a lot of US fanboy's out there, who because its a American Tank its the best, when in reality its not, and its not all American, in fact the Abrams is the least original country's tank out of Tank making country's in NATO.
Britain has the Challenger 2.
France has the Leclerc.
Germany has the Leopard 2.
And yes all tanks have parts small or big from other country's, but not has much as the Abrams does.
You can argue that the Gun is made in the US as much as you want, that doesn't mean anything, fact is the M256 is a Licensed copy build of the German L44, its not a American gun, same with its armour and a lot of its suspension system.
The Russian T-14 is stated to have over 1000mm effective frontal armour, so the M829a4 from the L44 wouldn't be able to pen it, and you ignore the people that stay it has over 1000mm of pen when in reality a round fired from a L44 wouldn't pen more then the same round fired from a L55.
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Daniel Large
Stealth means nothing, in fact stealth holds jets back.
Stealth can be defeated with a IR System, Morden IR System can track the heat between the Jet's body and wings due to the friction with the air, so for example the Eurofighter's IRST Pirate System, can see and track the F-22 from around 100+km depending on the weather, and with the Meteor Missile able to use that range, while the F-22 a doesn't have a IRST and can only track with its APG-77 or 77v1, and yes maybe able to see the Eurofighter from around 100+km away using Radar the F-22 doesn't have a Missile that can be used, the 120D is a SSR and only really having a good hire rate at around 70-80km, and the F-22's RCS is only good in a head on, if the F-22 needs to turn your show any other part of its body to the Eurofighter, the Eurofighter's Captor M for now, can see the F-22 at around 55km in a head on, but as soon as the F-22 moves the range of the Captor M to the F-22 goes up, and RAM only absorbs around 10-15% of the Waves fr Radars anyway.
Basically Stealth doesn't help in the real world, especially if you don't have the weapons to back it up with, the F-22 would need to get within 70km to have a "good chance" of a hite, while the Eurofighter has the F-22 all locked in to fire at 80km for example, remember BVRM's have a bad hit rate at distance and the 120D being a SSR vs the Meteor being a DSR Ram engine.
As for the F-35 yes it's stealthy and is going to be fitted with the Meteor well the Royal Navy's B types are, the F-35 has bad performance and bad specs, no Supercruise for one that weakens the F-35's stealth if it has to go over Mach 1, plus its can't turn as tight or climb as high, 50,000f no supercruise can't turn or run, only holds 4 to 6 BVRM's depending on load out and Type of F-35, with 2 IR Missiles, yes is has very good Software and Electronic Warfare abilities, but as soon as its seen and in the real world, in a war zone with other systems in play the F-35 will need to have back up, SU-35 is more then capable of taking out the F-35.
Plus the US is returning the F-22 early somewhere in the 2030's, so the US soon won't have a jet to back up the F-35 with.
Stealth is good on paper and in Red Flag, but in a real life fight/war stealth not so good, especially now with Morden jets and not old 3rd generation MIG's.
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The Eurofighter is the best.
The Eurofighter is so much better then the F/A-18 for example the only jets that comes close to the Eurofighter are the F-22 Rafale and SU-57 in specs, for example here's the Eurofighter vs F-22.
The Eurofighter can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring.
F-22 34,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring.
Both can Supercruise.
Both can take off, then go straight vertical up.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both over the years have won against each other but the Eurofighter has won the most in Games from BVR Fights to Dogfights.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Numbers Built /
Eurofighter 560+.
F-22 about 190.
Not to mention the F-22 is to expensive for the US Military to run, very small number of F-22's are actually combat ready but the Eurofighter most are Combat Ready, 1st there stopping training on the F-22, 2nd there lowering the F-22's upkeep, 3rd The US states its to expensive to upgrade the F-22's for today, making the F-22 more outdated every year, the Eurofighter is being updated and upgraded in a number of different ways, to keep it on top.
The Eurofighter is king.
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@williammason2034
I don't think you understand how the 2 jet's work ?.
Let me just help you with some points.
1st, The BVRM air to air missile has a bad hit rate at distance, so just cause a missile's range is 150km no pilot will fire at 150km.
2nd, The Eurofighter uses the much better Meteor, the F-22 uses the older 120D, now the ranges are close 150km for the Meteor and 160km for the 120D, but in tests the Meteor has been able to go up to 300km.
3rd, The Eurofighter's Radar is one of the most advanced, it can see the F-22 from distance, and the F-22's radar is good not as good as the Eurofighter, but the F-22 having stealth, it will see first, but seeing first means nothing.
4th, The F-22 will see the Eurofighter, but out of range for the 120D, and the F-22 would have to get closer, to the Eurofighter, and the Eurofighter would have seen the F-22 on radar, as the F-22 is needing to get closer, still BVR, again the Eurofighter uses one of the most advanced radars out today, and most pilots will fire about 80 to 60km with a BVRM, to have a better chance to hit, but still having a bad hit rate for air to air missiles.
5th, The Eurofighter would have seen the F-22 and started to counter, again still in BVR range but close enough for both missiles to have a chance to hit.
6th, The Meteor being more advanced and harder to jam and trick, vs the 120D that is easier to trick and jam, and with all up to date jet's have is RWS's and Defences like Toes DRS Flares Jammers Chaff some most agility to manoeuvre the missile.
7th, The Eurofighter holds more Meteor's then the F-22 holds 120D's, plus the Eurofighter is better in specs and performance, plus have the ability to fire a BVRM with the helmet, but the F-22 can't, needing to line the Jet's radar up with it.
8th, Plus all the info I said before all this, so I say again the Eurofighter is king.
Hoped this helped, but you may think differently, to the facts that are open to the public.
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Good Video just a few points.
1st - Considering the Challenger 2 is the ONLY tank that has seen combat and not been destroyed, I would say the Challenger 2 has proven to be the best.
2nd - The L55a1 vs L30 argument is very thin, yes the L55a1 may have a higher pen but not by much, the L30 is still able to pen all known armour today.
3rd - The Lower Front Plate on the Challenger 2 is not weak like people say it is, in fact only 1 Challenger 2 was helf penned by a RPG at very close range, and yet the Challenger 2 and Driver was able to get back to base, the Challenger 2 was fixed and was back on the frontline in a short time, The Abrams has been penned more then once in the Lower Front Plate.
4th - The only real reason why the Challenger 3 has gone with the L55a1 is "Money", its cheaper to go with a NATO Gun and rounds for all NATO countries so the US or Germans can just use the UK's rounds.
5th - The L30 is more accurate at longer ranges, having the higher Fire of Effects Range, better then the L55 and M256/L44.
6th - Not to mention HESH is more capable in more areas, and that most armour on the Enemy Tanks won't have as good armour as NATO tanks, then HESH would still be capable and again more capable in other ways.
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@PilotPhotog
Sorry to hear that, you didn't get a strike for it or anything did you, or is that for something else ?.
Quick question, when you make it again for example if you would like help with facts and specs or anything, I'm more then happy to halp with that, for 2 jet's that look and some what act the same, there is a lot of differences in them.
I would recommend doing a Video ( Eurofighter and F-22 ), for those 2 jet's are more on the same level, even more then the Eurofighter and Rafale are, for example specs - performance - numbers - fights / that the Eurofighter and F-22 have more kills on each other, then what the Rafale has on the F-22 - Hardware and Software.
Plus don't let the Captor M Radar on the Eurofighter be a hold back, yes it's older but due to it being more powerful then the RBE2 on the Rafale, plus its top of its class.
Good videos keep up the good work 👍.
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The Queen Elizabeth Class are the most advanced aircraft carrier in the world, with one of if not the best radars to date, able to hold 70+ F-35B's and room for Wildcat and Merlin and Apache Helicopters, all being run with a smaller crew being more automatic.
Plus the F-35 is a UK US designd and built jet.
The Queen Elizabeth Class is not a Nuclear Power Carrier for many reasons, 1st It's Easier to go to country to country, for some country's not allowing nuclear ships in their waters, 2nd Can take more damage if hit and not having to worry about a Nuclear bomb that can destroy the hole fleet, 3rd Does not need to be in for years refuelling like a nuclear Carrier does when it's power gets to low, 4th More docks it can go to around the world for maintenance and supplies, 5th All the other ships with the Carriers are non-nuclear powered meaning they need refueling as well so might as well re-fuel the Carrier as well, with a Carrier and even a nuclear powered Carrier still needs other things being refilled from the supply ships on the move, so again might as well re-fuel while doing it.
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The Eurofighter is the best.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers and speaking with pilots themselves on the matter, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example and some others to compare.
Speed /
Eurofighter - 1550 mph - Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 - 1500 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
Rafale - 1381 mph - Mach 1.8 TMS.
F-16 - 1500 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
F-35 - 1200 mph - Mach 1.56 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 65,000 f.
Rafale 50,000f.
F-16 50,000+f.
F-35 50,000f.
The Sustained and Instantaneous Turn Rates, reports and papers that I've read over the years, state some what different numbers to others, so I've found the mid of the numbers for a ( about number ), for example the Eurofighter some reports and papers say between 26 to 31 D/S, so about 28.5 D/S and again for the F-22 between 25 to 29.5 D/S so about 27 D/S.
But just to say that yes the F-22 uses 1D Thrust Vectoring, but the Eurofighter had the highest number, in most reports and papers, but I'll get to why Thrust Vectoring on the F-22 is not something you want to trust in, due to its quick energy bleed and loss of speed quite fast, and if it does not get in to position quickly, it's like a sitting duck.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 28.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 27 D/S.
Rafale - about 27 D/S.
F-16 - about 18 D/S.
F-35 - about 11 to 16 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 36.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 35 D/S.
Rafale - about 36 D/S.
F-16 - about 26 D/S.
F-35 - about 26.5 D/S.
Now focusing more on the Eurofighter vs F-22.
Engine Thrust /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced, with a reliability rate of over 1000 hours and still performance like new.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so a higher Thrust to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Most jet's can pull 9+ G's but only some can high -G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D, as well the Meteor uses a ramjet meaning it maintains power to the target, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km, and the ASRAAM is a 6.5inch diameter vs the 5inch on the AIM-9X so about a 70% more volume rocket propellant, meaning a longer burn time.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km, range 30+km.
And both AIM-9X and ASRAAM use a IR seeker, so heat seeking and the ASRAAM and newer 9X's able to be used as LOAL and LOBL with the ASRAAM being able to outperform the 9x in 180 over the shoulder launches, and with the ASRAAM using IR imaging to better its ability.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and less time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know about Radar Worning Systems - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old Radar Worning System yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it.
Just to point out that the numbers on all missiles like the 120D Meteor R-77 PL-15 and so on, all have a range of what it can do with still the ability to hit a target ( effective range ), but most of the time it's in good weather conditions, so ranges will very.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target, and has night vision built in, with out needing a different piece of equipment on the pilots head.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today Captor M most powerfule in its class Plus it has a wider field of view then some electronic scan radar with a fixed plate, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once, plus the new Captor E Radar will and is one of the most powerfule Morden Radars for the Future.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well but even though the F-22 may see the Eurofighter at about 200km the 120D's range is 160km max and no pilot will use max range, and with the Eurofighter jamming for example in some exercise the F-22 was not able to get a lock until about 30km away from the Eurofighter, and same with F-22 and most jet's having jamming to stop the lock on's, but the F-22's radar cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
Plus the Eurofighter has many different systems around the Jet's body DASS, helping it and able to see a 360 decrease around the Jet, plus the Eurofighter's new Captor E Radar being able to fire Missiles then turn the jet more then 90 dec and still having the ability of guiding the Missiles to the target, as well as the Striker 2 gives the Eurofighter a bigger advantage in a BVR fight, but the F-22 does not have such abilitys and with just the one radar for fox 1 and fox 3's for example needs to maintain the Radar pointing at its target, meaning the F-22 is getting closer and closer to its target, and does not have IRST like the Eurofighter so the F-22 is blind in the heat seeking area, plus with the Eurofighter's IRST Pirate has a range of over 70 - 100km and able to pick up a stealth jet like the F-22 at 50+km, meaning the Eurofighter can fire a ASRAAM at the F-22, and it being a Imaging IR missile it is harder for the F-22's to pick up on, not impossible but harder to see, the F-22 does not have other systems around the body like the Eurofighter to help guide any missile after it turns beyond its radar sight, so making the F-22 again having to stay pointing at the enemy for a guided missile and with the Eurofighter have IFF DASS MIDS LDP DVI VTAS HOTAS and IRST as well as the mean radar and others the Eurofighter is just getting better and better, as well as its specs and proformas.
In War Games the Eurofighter and F-22 have both won against each other in WVR, but the Eurofighter and F-22 have not fought in BVR yet.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is a Swing-Roll as well meaning it can hold both air to air and air to ground payloads at the same time, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
Eurofighter King.
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Yes and No the F-35 is good but not the best, in area's like Bombing runs yes it's good, but just cause it can see 300+km away doesn't really mean anything, the F-35 longest range at the moment is the 120D about 160km, and air to air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so no pilot will use its max range, pilots will wait until about 70-50km for example, for a better chance of a kill, but due to better and more advanced RWS's and then Defences missiles still have a bad chance of a hit, the F-35's Sustained Turn Rate is not the best at about 17 D/S the F-16 for example is about 18 D/S, and its Instantaneous Turn Rate about 26.5 D/S better then the F-16's by about 0.5, but is no where near the Eurofighter's or F-22's Sustained Turn and Instantaneous Turn rates, the speed of the F-35 is slow at 1200mph, yes speed is not the big issue but, having a higher speed means you can get in and out faster, plus the F-35 wouldn't be able to out run any jet, and the F-35 only holds 4 missiles being the B type, and 6 being the A and C types when and if there have a upgraded hard points in them, and as soon as it opens its bay doors the RCS goes up meaning easier to see at a longer distance, 4 F-35's may sound good flying around and hard to sneak up on them, but they will have to still get closer then you think, again to have a chance of a kill on the enemy jet's, remember enemy jet's have RWS's and Defences as well so it's not just a case of 300km fire get a kill, the F-35 only has a 50,000f ceiling as well, meaning it won't be able to out climb other jet's, in real life a fight is not always 70+km away amd Dogfighting is not 20feet between, a dogfight is WVR about 30km, and as soon as 1 or 2 enemy's jet's get close about 50-60km the F-35 is in trouble, Stealth won't work and yes the F-35 has Defences as well, but in a WVR fight guns can be used for example and it only needs 1 shot in the right place to take out a muilt million pound jet, the F-35A is the Only type with a inbuilt single 25mm gun but it still has trouble shooting straight, the B and C types need a Gun Pod a single 25mm but with more rounds.
So the F-35 is great for electrical warfare, and at 100+km away, but as soon as the enemy gets in about 70km, main Radars may only see the F-35 at about 50-60km but IRST Systems will see it 70+km away, and some jet's can use there IRST's with their Main Radar to help give there BVRM's a longer range on a stealth jet for a lock on, but again missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so both sides are still having to get closer for a better chance for a kill.
The F-35 is good, but could be better.
The F-22 is old and outdated and just not good, jets like the Eurofighter and SU-57 are much better then the F-22 and F-35 in 95% of areas.
So the best jet is the Eurofighter.
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Yes and no, for example pilots love the F-16 and Gripin both are single engines, but yes if the engine fails then yes you are let's say fucked, but remember the F-16 and Gripin are both lighter faster and more agile then some twin engine jet's, the F-35 is yes under powered and heavy for just 1 engine, about 40,000ibf for all engine, but the B version when taking off in VTOL mode makes around 40,500ibf, but anyway yes and no a single engine design is bad and good at the same time, but in the F-35's case bad for many reasons.
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Yes and No the F-35 is good but not the best, in area's like Bombing runs yes it's good, but just cause it can see 300+km away doesn't really mean anything, the F-35 longest range at the moment is the 120D about 160km, and air to air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so no pilot will use its max range, pilots will wait until about 70-50km for example, for a better chance of a kill, but due to better and more advanced RWS's and then Defences missiles still have a bad chance of a hit, the F-35's Sustained Turn Rate is not the best at about 17 D/S the F-16 for example is about 18 D/S, and its Instantaneous Turn Rate about 26.5 D/S better then the F-16's by about 0.5, but is no where near the Eurofighter's or F-22's Sustained Turn and Instantaneous Turn rates, the speed of the F-35 is slow at 1200mph, yes speed is not the big issue but, having a higher speed means you can get in and out faster, plus the F-35 wouldn't be able to out run any jet, and the F-35 only holds 4 missiles being the B type, and 6 being the A and C types when and if there have a upgraded hard points in them, and as soon as it opens its bay doors the RCS goes up meaning easier to see at a longer distance, 4 F-35's may sound good flying around and hard to sneak up on them, but they will have to still get closer then you think, again to have a chance of a kill on the enemy jet's, remember enemy jet's have RWS's and Defences as well so it's not just a case of 300km fire get a kill, the F-35 only has a 50,000f ceiling as well, meaning it won't be able to out climb other jet's, in real life a fight is not always 70+km away amd Dogfighting is not 20feet between, a dogfight is WVR about 30km, and as soon as 1 or 2 enemy's jet's get close about 50-60km the F-35 is in trouble, Stealth won't work and yes the F-35 has Defences as well, but in a WVR fight guns can be used for example and it only needs 1 shot in the right place to take out a muilt million pound jet, the F-35A is the Only type with a inbuilt single 25mm gun but it still has trouble shooting straight, the B and C types need a Gun Pod a single 25mm but with more rounds.
So the F-35 is great for electrical warfare, and at 100+km away, but as soon as the enemy gets in about 70km, main Radars may only see the F-35 at about 50-60km but IRST Systems will see it 70+km away, and some jet's can use there IRST's with their Main Radar to help give there BVRM's a longer range on a stealth jet for a lock on, but again missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so both sides are still having to get closer for a better chance for a kill.
The F-35 is good, but could be better.
The F-22 is old and outdated and just not good, jets like the Eurofighter and SU-57 are much better then the F-22 and F-35 in 95% of areas.
So the best jet is the Eurofighter.
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The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
To read more about why theirs the reason why below.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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Yes and No the F-35 is good but not the best, in area's like Bombing runs yes it's good, but just cause it can see 300+km away doesn't really mean anything, the F-35 longest range at the moment is the 120D about 160km, and air to air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so no pilot will use its max range, pilots will wait until about 70-50km for example, for a better chance of a kill, but due to better and more advanced RWS's and then Defences missiles still have a bad chance of a hit, the F-35's Sustained Turn Rate is not the best at about 17 D/S the F-16 for example is about 18 D/S, and its Instantaneous Turn Rate about 26.5 D/S better then the F-16's by about 0.5, but is no where near the Eurofighter's or F-22's Sustained Turn and Instantaneous Turn rates, the speed of the F-35 is slow at 1200mph, yes speed is not the big issue but, having a higher speed means you can get in and out faster, plus the F-35 wouldn't be able to out run any jet, and the F-35 only holds 4 missiles being the B type, and 6 being the A and C types when and if there have a upgraded hard points in them, and as soon as it opens its bay doors the RCS goes up meaning easier to see at a longer distance, 4 F-35's may sound good flying around and hard to sneak up on them, but they will have to still get closer then you think, again to have a chance of a kill on the enemy jet's, remember enemy jet's have RWS's and Defences as well so it's not just a case of 300km fire get a kill, the F-35 only has a 50,000f ceiling as well, meaning it won't be able to out climb other jet's, in real life a fight is not always 70+km away amd Dogfighting is not 20feet between, a dogfight is WVR about 30km, and as soon as 1 or 2 enemy's jet's get close about 50-60km the F-35 is in trouble, Stealth won't work and yes the F-35 has Defences as well, but in a WVR fight guns can be used for example and it only needs 1 shot in the right place to take out a muilt million pound jet, the F-35A is the Only type with a inbuilt single 25mm gun but it still has trouble shooting straight, the B and C types need a Gun Pod a single 25mm but with more rounds.
So the F-35 is great for electrical warfare, and at 100+km away, but as soon as the enemy gets in about 70km, main Radars may only see the F-35 at about 50-60km but IRST Systems will see it 70+km away, and some jet's can use there IRST's with their Main Radar to help give there BVRM's a longer range on a stealth jet for a lock on, but again missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so both sides are still having to get closer for a better chance for a kill.
The F-35 is good, but could be better.
The F-22 is old and outdated and just not good, jets like the Eurofighter and SU-57 are much better then the F-22 and F-35 in 95% of areas.
So the best jet is the Eurofighter.
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1st, the F-35 is shit End.
2nd, the Best is the Eurofighter, below is why the Eurofighter is better then the F-22.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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@bluntcabbage6042
1st - Yes plenty of Abrams from others have been Destroyed, but so have US running Abrams over the years, the first lose with the Abrams was in Operation Granby where the US lost 4 Abrams.
Number of Abrams lost :
Around 20-37 Lost by Enemy Fire.
Around 7 Lost by Friendly Fire.
Over 100+ Lost By SDC, after being to badly damaged or unable to be recovered.
2nd - You say the T-14 is a paper tiger due to numbers, fact is the Abrams was the same at start barley any numbers, fact is way most Americans talk shit about the T-14, is because there scread of it. The T-14 first 5th gen tank with some very good armour, in testing the T-14's Front plate has been able to stop 120mm L50+ Rounds, papers came out mid November last year 2021, you can Google them to read yourself.
3rd - The US uses more of other country's Hardware Software Tech Parts Designs and Engineering then any other Major Player in NATO for their own Military.
The Abrams M256 is a licensed copy of the L44, yes it's a "Slightly" modified version, but its still a L44.
Without the L44 being Licensed to the US to be made, the US wouldn't have had a 120mm for a very long time, and would have needed to use the British 105mm L7 like they have been using for years already.
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No they do not.
The Eurofighter has a HMD, the F-22 does not, that is why reports have come out with details on the F-22's upgrades, and one of the many upgrades for it is a HMD, but it won't get it until I think 2024.
The Eurofighter on the other hand does have a HMD, and one of the most advanced to date, out performance the F-35's G3 Helmet System in area's, the Eurofighter's Strike 2 is able to see though the body and able to use its IRST and Captor Radar, to find and track plus able to fire missiles in a LOBL OTS, while the Eurofighter is pointing in the opposite direction, something the F-22 can't do.
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The F-35 is a UK US designd and built jet with others coming to the program later on but its not good.
The F-35 reports of over 10 major issues still, like 600 software glitches and frame structure weakness the funnest one is that the RAM coating peels off sometimes.
The F-35 has the worse specs on the planet for a jet today.
Speed / 1200mph Mach 1.56.
Hight / 50,000f.
Sustained Turn / 11 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn / 26.5 D/S.
Hard Points / 4 in stealth.
Hard Points / 8 to 10 in beast.
But in Beast mode the F-35 with external Missiles will slow it down more with drag going from its slow 1200mph to about 1000mph and worsen it's already bad turn rates with the extra weight going from 11 S/D Sustained to under 9 D/S and its Instantaneous from 26.5 D/S to about 22-23 D/S and its AOA worsening as well.
Range / A - C 1200 miles B 1000 miles and just internl fuel combat radius of 450NM.
Engine / Single non Thrust Vectoring 40,000ibf.
Stealth / Is shit in a real fight Radars are ahead.
6 F-35's has been seen by the S-400 Air Defence System.
Even British 1940's radars can see stealth jet's like the F-35 F-22 SU-57 and J-20, cause of there very long radar waves.
In a real fight it is not in a closed off Airspace and you don't know how many enemy jets there are, and in Red Flags to kill a enemy you just have to lock on to them there's no missile travel Time so the enemy can't use its defences like Jammers - DRS - flares - Tows, its just locked on you win so the F-35's 20-1 kil rate IS BS.
BVR Missiles are not as good as people think it is, with BVR Missiles they have a bad hit rate at distance and the more distance between you and the enemy does not make any difference with RWS and what with DRS / Flares / Toes / Agility e.g to dodge them the BVR Missile has a big weak spot its rang and the F-35 only holds 4 in stealth mode and there not even the Best BVR Missile the British European Meteor missile ever.
So the first shot first kill meaning is out the window with the F-35.
Even if the enemy does jot know where the F-35 is as soon as he locked on to the enemy jet it will 1st know your in a certain distance area and 2nd as soon as the F-35 fires the enemy will know in what direction your in and cause the F-35 is slower then all other jets except the F/A-18 and can only go to a hight of 50,000f Radars are ahead of stealth anyway and the enemy jet will soon have you in its radar and down goes the F-35.
Gun / Only the A has a inbuilt gun a Single 25mm with 182 rounds.
B and C need a gun pod a Single 25mm with 220 rounds but takes up 1 hard point lowering it's missile count.
Plus the A type is still having trouble with its gun shooting straight still and with frame cracking it is having a hit with its life span.
The Agility of the F-35 is shit, so it might have a good AOA but what good is that if it has the worst turn rate of all jets today in a real fight doing fantasy tricks is the last thing in or mind, the F-35 has a big turning circle with a Sustained Turn of 11 D/S it loses speed fast and even its Instantaneous pitch up is slower then most at 26.5 D/S.
The F-35 is shit and Countrys now are seeing that the UK US and Japan are pushing 6th gen jets and more in to upgrading older jets and BAE System's are making the F-3 for Japan to replace some of the F-35's to lower the orders for Japan.
With Air - Air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, and with Radar Worning Systems - Jammers - DRS and Flares pulse jet like the Eurofighter Rafale and Gripin Agility to have a better chance to dodge missiles.
Would have been better off putting Ram on the Tornado or Jaguar better specs in some areas and cheaper to run.
The F-35 does NOT use yet the Best BVR Missile in the world The British European Meteor missile.
Jets that would easily kill the F-35 are :
Eurofighter - Rafale - Gripin - F-16 - F-22 - SU-27 - SU-30/34/35 - SU-57 J-20 - F-15 - F/A-18 - MIG-35 - Tornado - F-4.
All of these jets have in some and in all better specs then the F-35.
The ONLY thing not killing the F-35 off completely is that people have put billions in on it.
People really need to STOP reading Wikipedia and just watching YouTube Videos.
But most dumb kids don't take time to read facts they just see it has stealth and thinks it's the best ( Its NOT ).
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Good video but the F-22 is NOT the best, its outdated as well as the fact you got a lot of facts wrong in the video, just goes to show me that you don't know the F-22 - YF-23 or even other Fighter's, and are just reading off a wiki page.
I mean where to begin.
1st ) - Radar The APG-77 is good yes but not the best, it gets outclassed by radar's like the Captor E and APG-81, yes the APG-77v1 is a upgraded slandered 77 but even that is outclassed by again the Captor E and APG-81, even though the v1 type brings parts from the 81 and the 80 off the Block 60 F-16, the upgrades just give the F-22 more ability for air to ground attacks and a long range.
2nd ) - The F-22 does not have a IRST or FLIR System for example yes it does have a BAE System's ARL-94 system that worked like a passive radar like a IRST, but it does not do as much for example, it helps the 77 by picking up radar signatures from other jet's or SAM system's like all EWS like DASS on the Eurofighter or DAS on the F-35, the 94 lets the pilot search for a enemy with having the main radar with only giving out the smallest signature but a enemy will have to be looking for the F-22 first in order for the 94 to fine and start to search, unlike a IRST can search find track and lock on to on its own even it the enemy has its radar tuned off, the F-22 will need to use the main properly when doing other jobs where a IRST/FLIR can do most jobs with out needing to use the main radar.
3rd ) - The F-22 does not have a HMD ( Helmet Mounted Display ) most jet's have the ability to search find track and lock on to, using the Helmet the F-22 does not have this way to do so, it also means that the F-22 cant use Weapons like most other Fighter's can, or lunch a IR Missile over the Shoulder in a LOBL way like most jets can, plus BVRM it has limits on what it can do with its weapons in a combat fight WVR or BVR.
4th ) - Performance The F-22 is yes a very agile Jet but not as agile as a Eurofighter or SU-57, for example the F-22 has Thrust Vectoring where the Eurofighter does not, but the F-22 has a STR around 27 D/S the Eurofighter's STR is around 28.5 D/S, for there ITR the Eurofighter win's that as well, just cause the F-22 has Thrust Vectoring does not mean it has the best turn rates or moves for other words, at slow speed's the Eurofighter is more agile as while in high speed's, plus given the design of the F-22's body and wings the Eurofighter in its design is more then 20% more efficient in terms of energy bleed in turns and able to hold a tighter turn for longer then the F-22.
5th ) - Wins and Loses the F-22 has not got a clean win streak, the F-22 has been beaten many different time's over the year's, from the F/A-18 to the Eurofighter the F-22 hs been beaten even by a SU-27 in different game's and exercises before, in fact the Eurofighter has won more against the F-22 then the other way around.
6th ) - Speed using TMS the F-22's Mach speed is only Mach 1.95 round 1490 - 1499mph the 2 engines with a thrust for 35,000ibf is good more then most less then some, due to the weight and drag of the body able to supercruise around Mach 1.6 around 1200mph but even the Eurofighter can supercuise at Mach 1.6 being not with a full payload but still with some ASRAAM's for example, the Eurofighter having 2 EJ200 with 21,500ibf each with re-heat the Eurofighter has a faster top end speed then the F-22 at 1550mph at Mach 2.02 but even with a full payload for example the Eurofighter can still hit around 1350mph, plus it agility is still very very good.
7th ) - BVRM's The Meteor just wins, the 120D its not even close, the F-22 cant use the Meteor unlike the Eurofighter that can.
8th ) - All Round Capability the Eurofighter is just a better jet in more area's, even the SU-57 puts the F-22 in its place in most area's, the F-22 is just outdated and not as capable as other's, for example the F-22 is only now getting Link-16 put in its system, meaning with it it can now talk to other units and other jet's more easily all on one system, the 120D its only gotten that in the last year or so, again no HMD and so on.
9th ) - The YF-23 was the better jet, it came down to Lockheed just showing it off more that won the contract in the end, the YF-23 was more stealth and was faster, plus nearly just as agile even without thrust vectoring, around 23 - 25 D/S for STR while the F-22 needed thrust vectoring to have its 27 D/S.
And So on and So on more to say but if i was to wright all the things about the F-22 down i would properly still be writing 5 hours from now so 9 points should be good.
F-22 NOT the best.
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@KjetilBalstad
I think you'll find that what I have put is more Fact then anything you will find on youtube.
And you seen to not know that first see first shot is not as good as you think, for many reasons, RWS's Defences and the fact that missiles have a bad hit rate at distance.
Yes I know that the 120D and 9x are both LOAL and LOBL, just like the Meteor and ASRAAM, but the point being that you have missed, is that the F-22 can't lock on and fire unless the F-22 is pointing in the same area, cause if it fires a 120D for example and it does not see the jet with its own seeker then its a wast of a missile, at least the Eurofighter can help the Missile in LOAL with the helmet to find the target.
With RWS's and MWS's the Eurofighter will know as soon as the F-22 sees the it, and will start to counter, remember missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so the F-22 only holds 6 BVR missiles max and both the 120D and 120C aren't as advanced as the Meteor in terms of Performance and Harder to Jam and Trick for example, plus the Eurofighter holds more Defences then the F-22, as well as being more agile, the F-22 has a harder time to hit the Eurofighter then the other way round, plus the Eurofighter can jam the F-22 and then use its helmet or IRST to lock on and fire against the F-22 while the F-22 is blind, while Jamming the F-22 has to get about 30km to the Eurofighter to it on radar again, so just cause the F-22 can see the Eurofighter first means nothing, the Eurofighter is more advanced better performance, better Missiles and a better jet all round.
The Eurofighter and F-22 have not done BVR Fights before, just WVR and the Eurofighter has won so many times even the German Eurofighter's lacking some hardware and software, but even them kicked the F-22's ass.
With guiding missiles to the target yes a jet must maintain radar lock for example Fox 1's are a guide missile needing lock on, Fox 2's are IR base basically WVR Missiles, Fox 3's are like Meteor and 120D LOAL and LOBL missiles, but in a BVR case Missiles give off radiation to the enemy jet that it is targeted, making it easier for the enemy jet to counter with its RWS, when you fire and guide the Missile with the jets radar or helmet or IRST helping for example, the Missile doesn't give off radiation due to not it's self targeting the enemy but other systems on enemy jet's have MWS basically able to detect anything coming for it the same thing that somewhat helps detect IR Missiles in newer systems, due to IR Missiles not giving any radiation cause no radar in it.
And yes IR Missile like the 9x and ASRAAM are both LOAL and LOBL as well.
The Eurofighter with the Captor M is still better jet then the F-22 in a real fight WVR and BVR, when the Captor E comes in properly then the Eurofighter will be untouchable.
If you read my post again and read it properly then you'll find that it makes more sense than you think.
So again I think all find what I say is more true then what you'll find.
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@KjetilBalstad
I've reworded some of it to make it easier for others to understand and read now so hope it is easier for people to know what I mean, you don't have to read it just up for anyone that is interested.
The Eurofighter is the best.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers and speaking with pilots themselves on the matter, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example and some others to compare.
Speed /
Eurofighter - 1550 mph - Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 - 1495 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
Rafale - 1381 mph - Mach 1.8 TMS.
F-16 - 1500 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
F-35 - 1200 mph - Mach 1.56 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 65,000 f.
Rafale 50,000f.
F-16 50,000+f.
F-35 50,000f.
The Sustained and Instantaneous Turn Rates, reports and papers that I've read over the years, state some what different numbers to others, so I've found the mid of the numbers for a ( about number ), for example the Eurofighter some reports and papers say between 26 to 31 D/S, so about 28.5 D/S and again for the F-22 between 25 to 29.5 D/S so about 27 D/S.
But just to say that yes the F-22 uses 1D Thrust Vectoring, but the Eurofighter had the highest number, in most reports and papers, but I'll get to why Thrust Vectoring on the F-22 is not something you want to trust in, due to its quick energy bleed and loss of speed quite fast, and if it does not get in to position quickly, it's like a sitting duck.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 28.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 27 D/S.
Rafale - about 27 D/S.
F-16 - about 18 D/S.
F-35 - about 11 to 16 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 36.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 35 D/S.
Rafale - about 36 D/S.
F-16 - about 26 D/S.
F-35 - about 26.5 D/S.
Now focusing more on the Eurofighter vs F-22.
Engine Thrust /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced, with a reliability rate of over 1000 hours and still performance like new.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so a higher Thrust to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Most jet's can pull 9+ G's but only some can high -G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D, as well the Meteor uses a ramjet meaning it maintains power to the target, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km, and the ASRAAM is a 6.5inch diameter vs the 5inch on the AIM-9X so about a 70% more volume rocket propellant, meaning a longer burn time.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km, range 30+km.
And both AIM-9X and ASRAAM use a IR seeker, so heat seeking and the ASRAAM and newer 9X's able to be used as LOAL and LOBL with the ASRAAM being able to outperform the 9x in 180 over the shoulder launches, and with the ASRAAM using IR imaging to better its ability.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and less time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know about Radar Worning Systems - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old Radar Worning System yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it.
Just to point out that the numbers on all missiles like the 120D Meteor R-77 PL-15 and so on, all have a range of what it can do with still the ability to hit a target ( effective range ), but most of the time it's in good weather conditions, so ranges will very.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target, and has night vision built in, with out needing a different piece of equipment on the pilots head.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today Captor M most powerfule in its class Plus it has a wider field of view then some electronic scan radar with a fixed plate, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once, plus the new Captor E Radar will and is one of the most powerfule Morden Radars for the Future.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well but even though the F-22 may see the Eurofighter at about 200km the 120D's range is 160km max and no pilot will use max range, and with the Eurofighter jamming for example in some exercise the F-22 was not able to get a lock until about 30km away from the Eurofighter, and same with F-22 and most jet's having jamming to stop the lock on's, but the F-22's radar cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
Plus the Eurofighter has many different systems around the Jet's body DASS, helping it and able to see a 360 decrease around the Jet, plus the Eurofighter's new Captor E Radar being able to fire Missiles then turn the jet more then 90 dec and still having the ability of guiding the Missiles to the target, as well as the Striker 2 gives the Eurofighter a bigger advantage in a BVR fight, but the F-22 does not have such abilitys and with just the one radar for fox 1 and fox 3's for example needs to maintain the Radar pointing at its target for guiding missiles not using LOAL or LOBL, meaning the F-22 is getting closer and closer to its target unlike the Eurofighter, and does not have IRST like the Eurofighter so the F-22 is blind in the heat seeking area, plus with the Eurofighter's IRST Pirate has a range of over 70 - 100km and able to pick up a stealth jet like the F-22 at 50+km, meaning the Eurofighter can fire a ASRAAM at the F-22, and it being a Imaging IR missile it is harder for the F-22's to pick up on, not impossible but harder to see, the F-22 does not have other systems around the body like the Eurofighter to help guide any missile after it turns beyond its radar sight, so making the F-22 again having to stay pointing at the enemy for a guided missile and with the Eurofighter have IFF DASS MIDS LDP DVI VTAS HOTAS and IRST as well as the mean radar and others the Eurofighter is just getting better and better, as well as its specs and proformas.
In War Games the Eurofighter and F-22 have both won against each other in WVR, but the Eurofighter and F-22 have not fought in BVR yet.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is a Swing-Roll as well meaning it can hold both air to air and air to ground payloads at the same time, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
Eurofighter King.
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Can someone explain why the UK sold 55% of BAE Land to Germany, why did they think killing a British owned company was a good idea, the UK lost its biggest Land based system, now RBSL is a German company, the UK only has 45%, so how it that a 'Joint Adventure' ?.
Not to mention by doing so has just killed over 100 years of British Tank design and development, ie, the Challenger 3 is now German not British. Yes the US Abram's uses a German Gun and British Armour, but at least its owned by an American company, unlike the the Challenger 3, with it's Gun - Turret - Design - systems - and more being German but also owned by a German Company now.
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Chin Gon
Dumb dumb read this.
The Eurofighter is the best.
For Example it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring.
F-22 34,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring.
Both can Supercruise.
Both can take off, then go straight vertical up.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both over the years have won against each other but the Eurofighter has won the most in Games from BVR Fights to Dogfights.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Numbers Built /
Eurofighter 560+.
F-22 about 190.
Not to mention the F-22 is to expensive for the US Military to run, very small number of F-22's are actually combat ready but the Eurofighter most are Combat Ready, 1st there stopping training on the F-22, 2nd there lowering the F-22's upkeep, 3rd The US states its to expensive to upgrade the F-22's for today, making the F-22 more outdated every year, the Eurofighter is being updated and upgraded in a number of different ways, to keep it on top.
The Eurofighter is king.
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@Bellthorian
1st Not really, due to that of what I explained in my previous comment.
2nd The F-35's fuel and Weapons usage, is yes meaning its getting lighter as well, but the F-35 does not have the speed coming back to it like the F-16, meaning the F-35 has missiles in bay no drag so the only thing the F-35 is getting is lighter, its not getting the energy back from the dragging of the weapons, so the F-16 gets more back in the weapons being used, and fuel is the same on both, so the fuel is irrelevant, the F-35 top speed and supercruise is basically the same is if it was clean to some extent, plus the F-35 holds less then the F-16, so if both F-35 and F-16 go in to destroy a target, the F-35 without re-heat just supercruise it will only be doing little under 1000mph and F-16 with the drag as well not just the whight it's down to about 1200-1300mph with re-heat, they do the bombing and come back, the F-35 is flying supercruise still only under 1000mph, while the F-16 is now back to 1500mph with re-heat or little under 850mph in supercruise.
So what I'm trying to get to is this.
F-35 /
1) Re-heat - 1200mph.
2) Supercruise - little under 1000mph.
3) No drag interfering with speed while in stealth mode.
F-16 /
1) Re-heat - 1500mph.
2) Supercruise with 2 sidewinders - little under 850mph.
3) Drag from missiles 1500mph down to about 1200-1300mph.
So the F-35 maybe some what faster while supercruising but is slower in Re-heat and even when the F-16 has full weapons but still using Re-heat.
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@BlackBeltBarrister
You are wrong in that friend.
Fixed blades are legal to carry if you have a reason to do so, for example Work - Hiking, fixed blades are only illegal if you are just carrying it for the sake of it.
3 points to mention what the law on Kinves is really.
1st - You may carry a knife on you without reason, if it is 3 inches or under and non-locking, just not aloud to carry in Hospitals - Schools - Police Stations - Airport's for example, that does not include places like markets or shops.
2nd - You may carry a Knife that is 3 inches or over and Locking, and a fixed Blade as well if you have a reason to do so, ie Work - Hiking - Camping, you are not limited to a 3 inche or under non-locking knife for Camping.
3rd - If you are found with a knife that is over 3 inches locking or not and you are let's say out at 2am in town, you have the right to just hand it to the police that found it to be destroyed, you aren't going to jail or getting a fine or anything if you hand it in their and then.
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Yes and No the F-35 is good but not the best, in area's like Bombing runs yes it's good, but just cause it can see 300+km away doesn't really mean anything, the F-35 longest range at the moment is the 120D about 160km, and air to air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so no pilot will use its max range, pilots will wait until about 70-50km for example, for a better chance of a kill, but due to better and more advanced RWS's and then Defences missiles still have a bad chance of a hit, the F-35's Sustained Turn Rate is not the best at about 17 D/S the F-16 for example is about 18 D/S, and its Instantaneous Turn Rate about 26.5 D/S better then the F-16's by about 0.5, but is no where near the Eurofighter's or F-22's Sustained Turn and Instantaneous Turn rates, the speed of the F-35 is slow at 1200mph, yes speed is not the big issue but, having a higher speed means you can get in and out faster, plus the F-35 wouldn't be able to out run any jet, and the F-35 only holds 4 missiles being the B type, and 6 being the A and C types when and if there have a upgraded hard points in them, and as soon as it opens its bay doors the RCS goes up meaning easier to see at a longer distance, 4 F-35's may sound good flying around and hard to sneak up on them, but they will have to still get closer then you think, again to have a chance of a kill on the enemy jet's, remember enemy jet's have RWS's and Defences as well so it's not just a case of 300km fire get a kill, the F-35 only has a 50,000f ceiling as well, meaning it won't be able to out climb other jet's, in real life a fight is not always 70+km away amd Dogfighting is not 20feet between, a dogfight is WVR about 30km, and as soon as 1 or 2 enemy's jet's get close about 50-60km the F-35 is in trouble, Stealth won't work and yes the F-35 has Defences as well, but in a WVR fight guns can be used for example and it only needs 1 shot in the right place to take out a muilt million pound jet, the F-35A is the Only type with a inbuilt single 25mm gun but it still has trouble shooting straight, the B and C types need a Gun Pod a single 25mm but with more rounds.
So the F-35 is great for electrical warfare, and at 100+km away, but as soon as the enemy gets in about 70km, main Radars may only see the F-35 at about 50-60km but IRST Systems will see it 70+km away, and some jet's can use there IRST's with their Main Radar to help give there BVRM's a longer range on a stealth jet for a lock on, but again missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so both sides are still having to get closer for a better chance for a kill.
The F-35 is good, but could be better.
The F-22 is old and outdated and just not good, jets like the Eurofighter and SU-57 are much better then the F-22 and F-35 in 95% of areas.
So the best jet is the Eurofighter.
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Hoo Lee Sheet
Kid you are so wrong.
1st The F-35's Radar is not the most advanced, that would be the Captor E Radar System in the Eurofighter.
2nd The Eurofighter is classed as the most advanced Muilt-Roll fighter to date, the F-35 is just a advanced computer, it takes more then software.
3rd The Eurofighter is able to Jam any known Radar Systems, for example in some exercises it has been able to Jam the F-22's radar, making it unable to see the Eurofighter until 30km away.
4th The F-35 Can't shut another jet down no jet can, they clame it can but no proof or any tests showing it can, just propaganda.
5th The F-35 can shoot the Eurofighter with out it knowing, for many reasons.
A - RWS's on the Eurofighter will know when it's being looked for and when it's locked on to and fired.
B - Air to Air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so the F-35 won't use its max range on its missiles, the Missile for the F-35 until the better British Meteor, is the 120D max range about 160km, max effective range about 80km, and most pilots will wait until about 50-70km to fire.
C - Eurofighter's IRST able to see and track the F-35 around 70+km, plus helping the Captor M and E to send a Meteor missile, the Meteor Missile being a 2 stage rocket, faster more agile harder to jam or trick, plus being a 2 stage rocket a higher chance of a hit at longer ranges.
D - The F-35 only holds 4 to 6 missiles max in its bay, the Eurofighter normally holds 6 BVR Missiles with WVR ASRAAM Missiles with a gun, but the Eurofighter can hold more BVRM's if needed to, increasing the hit rate for the Eurofighter, more missiles higher chance.
E - Defences like DRS - chaff - Tow's - Flares - able to bleed the F-35's Missile energy better lowing the chance for a hit.
The Eurofighter is king, the F-35 still 500+ bugs in its software plus the H3 Helmet due to the bugs is unable to be used properly, aswell as the as the F-35 having the worst specs and performance in more areas then most jet's today.
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Hoo Lee Sheet
Kid you stupid or stupid.
1st The Eurofighter is more popular then the F-35, the only reason why people are buying the shit F-35 is its cheap.
2nd The Eurofighter has won more matches against the Gripin over the years, in fact the Eurofighter has more wins against other jets then loses.
3rd The F-35 has only gone against not fully upgraded F-15's F-16's and F/A-18's in games, plus its been beaten as well, by older jet's.
4th The F-16 isn't good, it's cheap that's why Country's still use it, even some country's with the F-16 are willing to pay more for a better jet to run, same with the F/A-18 replacing them.
5th The F-35 is just a computer, no performance even the J-20 has better performance then it, plus the F-22 can't do helf the stuff that a J-20 can do, the F-35 won't last against jets like Eurofighter Rafale Gripin SU-57 J-20 even the J-10.
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1st - The US didn't give the UK anything, fact the UK had the systems in place to make their own Nuclear sub, but like all things both the UK and US sheared information, the US didn't it to us.
2nd - The UK was 1st in nuclear powered subs, the UK was the first to write about nuclear powered engines, with papers on how to do such thing.
3rd - A Italian Enginner led a team of people from UK US and others to make the 1st running nuclear powered engine, not the US.
4th - The UK is one of the leading country's in Nuclear Technology, with Rolls-Royce being ahead of the US in tearms of capabilitie.
5th - The US goes for quantity where the UK goes for quality, so the UK Subs are smaller, but there more capable in more ways, more advanced for example.
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The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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@jeanbambois7970
You wrong in some of what you say.
Yes the F-117 is and was a stealth jet, but remember the radars back then aren't as good as they are now, so a F-117 now would get seen from a S-400 from miles away for example.
2nd Stealth does not make you invisible, it only gets you closer to a target, but only against some types of Radars, a IRST system on a Eurofighter will see a F-22 or F-35 from 70+km away, witch is further then any main Radar on jets today, plus long band Radars can see a F-35 from quite a long way away, for example a JY-27 tracked a F-22 not that long ago from a very long distance more then the F-22 pilot thought it could.
3rd When you see battle proven what do you mean, like bombing runs like most jet's, or in a real fight cause A stealth won't really help due to other Systems on enemy jets to find and track stealth jets, and B the fact at in a fight jet's need to get closer then you think for missiles to have a better chance of a hit due to missiles having a bad hit rate at distance.
4th The F-22 F-35 SU-57 J-20 are all 5th gen jet's, but not one has ever been in combat, again only bombing runs like most jet's.
5th Yes battle proven is the best way to test a vehicle out, you cant just do things like red flag games cause games aren't realistic and don't work like real fights do.
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Just a run down of the Eurofighter vs one of only 2 jets really that come close to the Eurofighter the F-22, just to show just how good the Eurofighter really is.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers and speaking with pilots themselves on the matter, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, it's not.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example and some others to compare.
Speed /
Eurofighter - 1550 mph - Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 - 1495 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
Rafale - 1381 mph - Mach 1.8 TMS.
F-16 - 1500 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
F-35 - 1200 mph - Mach 1.56 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Rafale 50,000f.
F-16 50,000+f.
F-35 50,000f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - 28.5 D/S.
F-22 - 27 D/S.
Rafale - 27 D/S.
F-16 - 18 D/S.
F-35 - 11 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - 36.5 D/S.
F-22 - 35 D/S.
Rafale - 36 D/S.
F-16 - 26 D/S.
F-35 - 26.5 D/S.
There where some examples of how different jet's line up, now focusing more on the Eurofighter vs F-22.
Engine Thrust /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
And most jets the Eurofighter F-22 Rafale F-35 and so on can all Supercruise.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Most jet's can pull 9+ G's but only some can high -G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D, as well the Meteor uses a ramjet meaning it maintains power to the target, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km, and the ASRAAM is a 6.5inch diameter vs the 5inch on the AIM-9X so about a 70% more volume rocket propellant, meaning a longer burn time.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
And both AIM-9X and ASRAAM use a IR seeker, so heat seeking and the ASRAAM and newer 9X's able to be used as LOAL and LOBL with the ASRAAM being able to outperform the 9x in 180 over the shoulder launches, and with the ASRAAM using IR imaging to better its ability.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Just to point out that the numbers on all missiles like the 120D Meteor R-77 PL-15 and so on, all have a range of what it can do with still the ability to hit a target ( effective range ), but most of the time it's in good weather conditions, so ranges will very.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target, and has night vision built in, with out needing a different piece of equipment on the pilots head.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once, plus the new Captor E Radar will and is one of the most powerfule Morden Radars for the Future.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
Plus the Eurofighter has many different radars at different wave's, around the Jet's body, helping it in RWS's and able to see a 360 decrease around the Jet, and has a voice system control as well, plus the Eurofighter being able to fire Missiles then turn more then 90 dec and still having other systems on the body guiding the Missiles to the target, as well as the Striker 2 gives the Eurofighter a bigger advantage in a BVR fight, but the F-22 does not have a IRST like the Eurofighter so the F-22 is blind in the heat seeking area and does not have other systems around the body to help guide any missile after it turns beyond its radar sight, so making the F-22 again having to stay pointing at the enemy getting closer and closer to it, and with the Eurofighter have IFF DASS MIDS LDP and IRST as well as the mean radar and others the Eurofighter is just getting better and better, as well as its specs and proformas.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch, for Dogfighting and BVR Fights.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
some points, going in to more about why using the max range of a BVRM is bad and some reasons why.
1st, The BVRM air to air missile has a bad hit rate at distance, so just cause a missile's range is 150km no pilot will fire at 150km, some mean reasons why BVRM's have a bad hit rate at distance, the longer you fire the more time and distance it has to travel, so a 1 stage rocket will slow down faster and be less agile over a shorter time then a 2 stage rocket but for the Meteor it uses a ram jet so does not have to worrie so much, for example the 120D is a 1 stage rocket it burns for a few seconds to get up to speed, then no more energy so any turns it has to make will bleed energy slowing it down lowing the chance to hit the target, and the 20+G that some missiles can do, is not as agile as you think, again down to the speed of the Missile even a slite turn the Missile is pulling high G's due to small wings and speed fighting the air to turn even with Thrust Vectoring it still loses energy, and the Meteor uses a 2 stage rocket, with the ability to throttle the energy but having a ram jet it keeps the power going all the way to the target so increasing the hit rate, so when you fire and the enemy sees it due to the RWS, the enemy will counter to lower the chance of a hit, that is one of the mean reasons why BVRM's have a bad hit rate at distance and that fireing one at max range is not the best thing to do.
2nd, The Eurofighter uses the much better Meteor, the F-22 uses the older 120D, now the ranges are close 150km for the Meteor and 160km for the 120D, but in tests the Meteor has been able to go up to 300km, thanks to the 2 stage and ram jet and able to throttle the energy.
3rd, The Eurofighter's Radar is one of the most advanced, it can see the F-22 from distance, and the F-22's radar is good not as good as the Eurofighter, but the F-22 having stealth, it will see first, but seeing first means nothing.
4th, The F-22 will see the Eurofighter, but out of range for the 120D, and the F-22 would have to get closer, to the Eurofighter, and the Eurofighter would have seen the F-22 on radar, as the F-22 is needing to get closer, still BVR, again the Eurofighter uses one of the most advanced radars out today, and most pilots will fire about 80 to 60km with a BVRM, to have a better chance to hit, but still having a bad hit rate for air to air missiles.
5th, The Eurofighter would have seen the F-22 and started to counter, again still in BVR range but close enough for both missiles to have a chance to hit.
6th, The Meteor being more advanced and harder to jam and trick, vs the 120D that is easier to trick and jam, and with all up to date jet's have RWS's and Defences like Toes DRS Flares Jammers Chaff some agility to out manoeuvre the missile.
7th, The Eurofighter holds more Meteor's then the F-22 holds 120D's, plus the Eurofighter is better in specs and performance, plus have the ability to fire a BVRM with the helmet, but the F-22 can't, needing to line the Jet's radar up with it.
Just a quick run down to show why stealth does not work for a fighter jet, and to show why the Eurofighter is king.
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@outrider425
Kid learn some things first.
1st - The Challenger 2 has the strongest armour to date, plus its the only tank that is Undefeated in combat, unlike the Abrams that have been Destroyed many many times over.
2nd - The L30 out reaches the M256/L44 on the Abrams, meaning the Challenger 2 would be able to destroy the Abrams before the Abrams could fire back with any chance of a hit.
3rd - The Abrams is weaker then the Challenger 2 in more areas around the body on the tank, for example at the back of the turret and sides of the hull, the Challenger 2's L30 would have no problem going through the Abrams.
4th - The Systems in both tanks are good, both would see each other from around the same distance, but the Challenger 2 has a better smoke system making it harder for the Abrams to see it, unlike the Abrams just having the basic smoke grenades.
The Challenger 2 is king, the Abrams wouldn't stand a chance, and the Abrams doesn't have a hope in hell in a long range fight.
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@illusions4559
Kid you still talking shit, Stealth is not the be all and end all as you claim it to be, yes many country's have done testing for stealth, but on its own its not good, you said the F-117, just look at what happened to it, it got blown out of the sky.
Kid if you know what you were at least talking about you would know, that the F-22 and Eurofighter haven't yet done a BVR fight, the only time they tried to do one, the US pulled out cause the Eurofighter's Pirate System was able to see the F-22 from a longer range then the US expected, so the US pulled out and since refused to do a BVR against the Eurofighter since.
Fact if you know any, the Pirate System on the Eurofighter can see the F-22 from 100+km depending on the weather, Morden IRST Systems can see the heat on the Jet's wings / body due to the air friction between them, not just engines are needed to see with them.
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@illusions4559
1st - The F-117 still got shot down, by a older SAM System, and the fact that the F-117 didn't have the Defences like other jets at the time did, or even able to manoeuvre to a point to at least try to help it, just like the U-2 the US thinking nothing can get it, so they basically didn't do a lot for its defense, but a existence between the RAF and USAF, the EE Lighting vs U-2 the RAF didn't just prove that a jet could A - Catch the U-2 but also B - Could shoot it down with ease, and the EE Lighting continued passed the U-2 to a hight of around 88,000f, same with the SR-71 no Defences just speed, witch SAM Systems where getting very fast very quickly.
2nd - In a BVR fight is really the only thing that will fully show just how good both are against each other.
3rd - The 120D only has a top range of around 160km vs the Meteor's 300km. The Meteor has a hit rate higher then the 120D at a longer range, for example the Meteor vs fighter jet for a good hit rate is around 100km, vs the 120D good hit rate is around 70-80km so about a 20-30km difference, not to mention the 120D only has a NEZ of around 20km while the Meteor has a NEZ of 60km, 40km between the 2, same with speed Mach 4 for the 120D vs the Meteor's Mach 4.5, plus the 120ad is a SSR while the Meteor is a DRS with a Ram engine.
4th - The F-22 is yes a good fighter, but the facts are facts, the Eurofighter has a higher win rate over the F-22, making the Eurofighter the better fighter.
5th - The point of the 2 fighting are one in the same, both need to train of the other.
6th - The fact I say Kid is to those that talk BS in a subject they don't know that much about, then argue when someone tries to help them, so I call them "Kid".
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@stubbk3
Considering the Abrams and Leopard 2 have had more blue on blue destroyed, and fact the Abrams Leopard 2 and Challenger 2 all haven't seen combat in years, fact the Challenger 2 is still king on the battlefield, battle proven against the enemy undefeated, plus the Abrams Sep V3 and Leopard 2a7 have not seen any combat and properly won't seen combat by the time the Challenger 3 is in service, where back at the start with the top 3 tanks in service non on witch has seen combat just going on numbers, fact the Challenger 2 to this day is still king.
The Abrams Sep V3 is still using the L44/M256 is a 44 cal a shorter barrel then both L30 L55 and L55a1, US still using its older armour at is on the M1A2+.
The Leopard 2a7 is using the new L55a1 a more powerful version of the L55 on the a6, still using its older armour but with some design changes to help.
The Challenger 3 will also be using the L55a1 with updated armour going from already the strongest armour to date being 2nd gen Dorchester on the Challenger 2, to 3rd gen armour made by the same people that made Chobham and Dorchester, and yes a new engine 1200 to 1500.
Challenger 3 looks like to be the better tank out of the 3 new versions.
You don't need quantity when you have quality so 148 yes may seem small, but when you have for example 30 Challenger 3's going up against 100 T-90's the Challenger 3 would still win.
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Yes and No the F-35 is good but not the best, in area's like Bombing runs yes it's good, but just cause it can see 300+km away doesn't really mean anything, the F-35 longest range at the moment is the 120D about 160km, and air to air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so no pilot will use its max range, pilots will wait until about 70-50km for example, for a better chance of a kill, but due to better and more advanced RWS's and then Defences missiles still have a bad chance of a hit, the F-35's Sustained Turn Rate is not the best at about 17 D/S the F-16 for example is about 18 D/S, and its Instantaneous Turn Rate about 26.5 D/S better then the F-16's by about 0.5, but is no where near the Eurofighter's or F-22's Sustained Turn and Instantaneous Turn rates, the speed of the F-35 is slow at 1200mph, yes speed is not the big issue but, having a higher speed means you can get in and out faster, plus the F-35 wouldn't be able to out run any jet, and the F-35 only holds 4 missiles being the B type, and 6 being the A and C types when and if there have a upgraded hard points in them, and as soon as it opens its bay doors the RCS goes up meaning easier to see at a longer distance, 4 F-35's may sound good flying around and hard to sneak up on them, but they will have to still get closer then you think, again to have a chance of a kill on the enemy jet's, remember enemy jet's have RWS's and Defences as well so it's not just a case of 300km fire get a kill, the F-35 only has a 50,000f ceiling as well, meaning it won't be able to out climb other jet's, in real life a fight is not always 70+km away amd Dogfighting is not 20feet between, a dogfight is WVR about 30km, and as soon as 1 or 2 enemy's jet's get close about 50-60km the F-35 is in trouble, Stealth won't work and yes the F-35 has Defences as well, but in a WVR fight guns can be used for example and it only needs 1 shot in the right place to take out a muilt million pound jet, the F-35A is the Only type with a inbuilt single 25mm gun but it still has trouble shooting straight, the B and C types need a Gun Pod a single 25mm but with more rounds.
So the F-35 is great for electrical warfare, and at 100+km away, but as soon as the enemy gets in about 70km, main Radars may only see the F-35 at about 50-60km but IRST Systems will see it 70+km away, and some jet's can use there IRST's with their Main Radar to help give there BVRM's a longer range on a stealth jet for a lock on, but again missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so both sides are still having to get closer for a better chance for a kill.
The F-35 is good, but could be better.
The F-22 is old and outdated and just not good, jets like the Eurofighter and SU-57 are much better then the F-22 and F-35 in 95% of areas.
So the best jet is the Eurofighter.
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@TrangleC
1st, The reason why people class different jet's this gen or that gen, makes no sense, but it's like IPhone's a new comes out with a new thing and the Numbers go up to make it sound better with a newer version.
2nd, It's funny to be honest, that a 4++ gen jet the Eurofighter can easily beat any 5th gen, but you get kids that think the higher the number it must be better, while if history has taught us anything, is that's not always the case.
3rd, Plus it makes people feel better when they think they have the newer toy then others, just with a higher number 😂🤣.
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1st When it comes to a jet's speed, most refer to the in jet speed, with speed of sound always changing, with altitude and temperature, so the speed of the jet at 30,000f for example will read a Mach number higher then its TMS.
2nd We use TMS to get a real Mach Speed of the jet, so the Jet's speed for example will say 1550mph the Eurofighter, with the Speed of sound having a fixed point of about 767mph, the Eurofighter has a slightly over TMS of Mach 2.0+, but at 40,000f the read outs for the pilot will read about Mach 2.6 for example.
3rd And for the F-22 again its speed is about 1498mph, using TMS it has a Mach of 1.95, so not the Mach 2.5 as some think, 2.5 is just the read out for the speed of the jet at hight and colder temperatures.
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@cringebaby2558
Read this for a better understanding of the Eurofighter and F-22.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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Yes and No the F-35 is good but not the best, in area's like Bombing runs yes it's good, but just cause it can see 300+km away doesn't really mean anything, the F-35 longest range at the moment is the 120D about 160km, and air to air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so no pilot will use its max range, pilots will wait until about 70-50km for example, for a better chance of a kill, but due to better and more advanced RWS's and then Defences missiles still have a bad chance of a hit, the F-35's Sustained Turn Rate is not the best at about 17 D/S the F-16 for example is about 18 D/S, and its Instantaneous Turn Rate about 26.5 D/S better then the F-16's by about 0.5, but is no where near the Eurofighter's or F-22's Sustained Turn and Instantaneous Turn rates, the speed of the F-35 is slow at 1200mph, yes speed is not the big issue but, having a higher speed means you can get in and out faster, plus the F-35 wouldn't be able to out run any jet, and the F-35 only holds 4 missiles being the B type, and 6 being the A and C types when and if there have a upgraded hard points in them, and as soon as it opens its bay doors the RCS goes up meaning easier to see at a longer distance, 4 F-35's may sound good flying around and hard to sneak up on them, but they will have to still get closer then you think, again to have a chance of a kill on the enemy jet's, remember enemy jet's have RWS's and Defences as well so it's not just a case of 300km fire get a kill, the F-35 only has a 50,000f ceiling as well, meaning it won't be able to out climb other jet's, in real life a fight is not always 70+km away amd Dogfighting is not 20feet between, a dogfight is WVR about 30km, and as soon as 1 or 2 enemy's jet's get close about 50-60km the F-35 is in trouble, Stealth won't work and yes the F-35 has Defences as well, but in a WVR fight guns can be used for example and it only needs 1 shot in the right place to take out a muilt million pound jet, the F-35A is the Only type with a inbuilt single 25mm gun but it still has trouble shooting straight, the B and C types need a Gun Pod a single 25mm but with more rounds.
So the F-35 is great for electrical warfare, and at 100+km away, but as soon as the enemy gets in about 70km, main Radars may only see the F-35 at about 50-60km but IRST Systems will see it 70+km away, and some jet's can use there IRST's with their Main Radar to help give there BVRM's a longer range on a stealth jet for a lock on, but again missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so both sides are still having to get closer for a better chance for a kill.
The F-35 is good, but could be better.
The F-22 is old and outdated and just not good, jets like the Eurofighter and SU-57 are much better then the F-22 and F-35 in 95% of areas.
So the best jet is the Eurofighter.
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@loading...9167
Kid read this.
The F-35 A B and C types are shit.
The F-35 Can't move its slow less hard points range is bad and Hight is bad.
The F-35 has the worse turn of a jet today.
Speed /
1200mph Mach 1.56.
Sustained Turn /
11 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn /
26.5 D/S.
Hight /
50,000f.
Engine's Thrust /
Single Non-Thrust Vectoring 40,000ibf.
Hard Points Stealth Mode /
A and C types 4 - 6.
B type 4.
Hard Points Beast Mode /
A and C types 10 - 12.
B type 10.
Combat Range No Fuel Tanks /
A type 590nm.
B type 450nm.
C type 600+nm.
G's /
A type 9G.
B type 7.5G.
C type 8G.
Weapons /
Only the A type has a inbuilt Single 25mm with 182 rounds, but can't fire it does not shot straight and cam crack the airframe.
B and C types need a Gun Pod for a Single 25mm with 220 rounds but this takes up a Hard Point lowering its Missiles count.
The F-35 does Not yet use the Much Better Meteor Missile at the moment its useing the AIM-120D BVR Slower then the Meteor at Mach 4 Not as agile a No Escape Zone of only 20km and a range of max 160km but only if the enemy is coming towards you and not away, it's also using the AIM-9X and ASRAAM WVR Missiles, with a mixture of bombs like the Paveway 4 LGB.
The F-35 has been seen by S-400 Systems now for a while its stealth means fuck all in a real fight, and have been seen by other Country's Radar Systems as well.
The only thing not killing the F-35 off is that people have put billions in the program.
The F-35's RAM Coating have been Peeling off over time at Hight Temperatures.
The F-35 is not good for a jet to do all things, it can't do anything good.
Plus the F-35 is not up to its so called 80% Combat Ready.
Jets that can Easily Destroy the F-35 are /
Eurofighter Rafale Gripin SU-57 J-20 F-15 F-16-18 F-22 SU-27-29 plus more, all of these Jets have Much Better specs in All or some Aeras.
Just cause the F-35 can see slightly lower, does not mean fuck all in a real fight, the F-35 Can't do anything until it gets with in 160km max with the AIM-120D, and before the F-35 gets in that range enemy Jets would have seen the F-35 already, plus the F-35 Radar is not the best in use, and the F-35 Stealth is not as good as people think from the side's and back top and bottom still gives big RCS and most jets have Stealth RAM Coating, but most jet's don't push stealth 1st unlike the F-35, that is way the F-35 Can't fight or hold as much.
One more thing the Helmet is not 100% working at the moment, and the F-35 still has over 500+ Software Glitches.
And many more things wrong with the F-35.
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@tristinjudd2595
The point being is that the US can't afford all F-22's in full ready state, more then 50% are in long term storage, then take out the ones that have crashed and are needing years of work to fix, then take out the ones that have crashed and destroyed, the US only has about 75 to 80 left, not the 185 most people think they do, plus the US can't afford to use all the ones in storage anyway if WW3 breaks out they'll have what 20 to 30% of them out to run so what about 110 to 130 F-22's in the sky's, less then most other jet's, and remember it takes 1 bullet to take out a jet, and how many 3th gen MIG-21's are still flying yes old and more outdated then the F-22, but F-22 only holds 4 to 8 missiles depending on the Missile and air to air have a bad hit rate at distance as well as the F-22 only having a main radar APG-77 and has to be facing the target for a lock lock and fire and must stay facing the enemy until pit ball for example getting closer and closer to the Enemy, and not all 120 F-22's are going to be all working and flying at the same time, as well as if they fly at all against the enemy in a real fight.
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@tristinjudd2595
Kid haha you read wiki did you.
1st The F-15's record is shit yes 104 kills that most came from other country's not the US, and that about 99 of those kills where against older outdated 3rd gen jets like MIG-21's and 25's, the only 4th gen kills its got is 4 to 5 MIG-29's that where flown by very bad trained pilots, most if not all people in the Air force as well as most people that know those jet's, know that MIG-29's are more then capable of Destroying F-15's, if Russians or another country was flying the MIG-29's the F-15's wouldn't have a clean record.
2nd The RAF are Better trained then the USAF and US Navy, the British help train the US in a lot of areas, for example the RAF have won time and time again against the top Top Gun pilots of the US.
3rd The F-22 is old and outdated and stealth does not work for a fighter jet, the F-22 has never seen combat just bombing runs, it's never done the thing it was designed to do, the F-15 is just old yes some are up to date but most are still using older hardware and software, Russian Jet's like the SU-35 SU-30 SU-27 are more then capable of killing any US jet F-15 F-16 F/A-18 even the SU-57 is more Advanced and better performance then the F-22, and the F-35 is just a expensive Bomber that's it.
4th The Best jets in the world are European and Russian, like the Eurofighter Rafale Gripin SU-35, most if not all US jet's where and or using British German Italian or Russian - Designs - Part - Hardware - Software, not one US jet is all American even the F-22 uses British Designs and Hardware in it, the F-35 is a UK US designd and built jet from the start, plus the F-16 was designed by a French man.
5th The US only has numbers and Russia actually has more jets in all then the US, so the US doesn't even have numbers over Russia.
Kid stop reading Wikipedia and read real reports and papers.
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The F-15 is good not great but OK, plus the record of the F-15 is a bit stretched on the fact that people only look at the numbers not the jets it was against, and how capable the enemy pilots where.
1st It's not all American, it uses a lot of British Hardware and Software.
2nd The F-15's kills aren't that impressive yes 104 to 0 with some shot down by SAM's, but it was against already somewhat outdated MIG-21's and 23's and other old 3rd gen jets, plus the 4 or 5 MIG-29's that where being used, was flown by very bad trained pilots, that didn't know how to use the MIG-29 to its full performance, didn't try to really shake the F-15's off.
3rd Even the F-15 pilots were surprised that the pilots in the MIG-29's didn't try harder, plus the MIG-29 in the hands of a pilot that knows how to use it properly, is more then capable of killing the F-15 in a WVR fight, just saying the F-15 was lucky not to have faced capable pilots in the MIG-29.
4th Plus most of the Air Force didn't fly, the resistance from their air force was really not there, most of the jet's like the MIG-29's where kept under hardened bunkers, instead of out flying.
The F-15's record is good but the numbers shout louder then the enemy jet's it faced.
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The Eurofighter is the best.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers and speaking with pilots themselves on the matter, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example and some others to compare.
Speed /
Eurofighter - 1550 mph - Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 - 1495 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
Rafale - 1381 mph - Mach 1.8 TMS.
F-16 - 1500 mph - Mach 1.95 TMS.
F-35 - 1200 mph - Mach 1.56 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 65,000 f.
Rafale 50,000f.
F-16 50,000+f.
F-35 50,000f.
The Sustained and Instantaneous Turn Rates, reports and papers that I've read over the years, state some what different numbers to others, so I've found the mid of the numbers for a ( about number ), for example the Eurofighter some reports and papers say between 26 to 31 D/S, so about 28.5 D/S and again for the F-22 between 25 to 29.5 D/S so about 27 D/S.
But just to say that yes the F-22 uses 1D Thrust Vectoring, but the Eurofighter had the highest number, in most reports and papers, but I'll get to why Thrust Vectoring on the F-22 is not something you want to trust in, due to its quick energy bleed and loss of speed quite fast, and if it does not get in to position quickly, it's like a sitting duck.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 28.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 27 D/S.
Rafale - about 27 D/S.
F-16 - about 18 D/S.
F-35 - about 11 to 16 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter - about 36.5 D/S.
F-22 - about 35 D/S.
Rafale - about 36 D/S.
F-16 - about 26 D/S.
F-35 - about 26.5 D/S.
Now focusing more on the Eurofighter vs F-22.
Engine Thrust /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced, with a reliability rate of over 1000 hours and still performance like new.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so a higher Thrust to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Most jet's can pull 9+ G's but only some can high -G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D, as well the Meteor uses a ramjet meaning it maintains power to the target, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km, and the ASRAAM is a 6.5inch diameter vs the 5inch on the AIM-9X so about a 70% more volume rocket propellant, meaning a longer burn time.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km, range 30+km.
And both AIM-9X and ASRAAM use a IR seeker, so heat seeking and the ASRAAM and newer 9X's able to be used as LOAL and LOBL with the ASRAAM being able to outperform the 9x in 180 over the shoulder launches, and with the ASRAAM using IR imaging to better its ability.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and less time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it.
Just to point out that the numbers on all missiles like the 120D Meteor R-77 PL-15 and so on, all have a range of what it can do with still the ability to hit a target ( effective range ), but most of the time it's in good weather conditions, so ranges will very.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target, and has night vision built in, with out needing a different piece of equipment on the pilots head.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today Captor M most powerfule in its class Plus it has a wider field of view then some electronic scan radar with a fixed plate, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once, plus the new Captor E Radar will and is one of the most powerfule Morden Radars for the Future.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well but even though the F-22 may see the Eurofighter at about 200km the 120D's range is 160km max and no pilot will use max range, and with the Eurofighter jamming for example in some exercise the F-22 was not able to get a lock until about 30km away from the Eurofighter, and same with F-22 and most jet's having jamming to stop the lock on's, but the F-22's radar cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
Plus the Eurofighter has many different radars and systems around the Jet's body, helping it in RWS's and able to see a 360 decrease around the Jet, plus the Eurofighter's new Captor E Radar being able to fire Missiles then turn the jet more then 90 dec and still having the ability of guiding the Missiles to the target, as well as the Striker 2 gives the Eurofighter a bigger advantage in a BVR fight, but the F-22 does not have such abilitys and with just the one radar for fox 1 and fox 3's for example needs to maintain the Radar pointing at its target, meaning the F-22 is getting closer and closer to its target, and does not have IRST like the Eurofighter so the F-22 is blind in the heat seeking area, plus with the Eurofighter's IRST Pirate has a range of over 70 - 100km and able to pick up a stealth jet like the F-22 at 50+km, meaning the Eurofighter can fire a ASRAAM at the F-22, and it being a Imaging IR missile it is harder for the F-22's RWS to pick up on, not impossible but harder to see, the F-22 does not have other systems around the body to help guide any missile after it turns beyond its radar sight, so making the F-22 again having to stay pointing at the enemy getting closer and closer to it, and with the Eurofighter have IFF DASS MIDS LDP DVI VTAS HOTAS and IRST as well as the mean radar and others the Eurofighter is just getting better and better, as well as its specs and proformas.
In War Games the Eurofighter and F-22 have both won against each other in WVR, but the Eurofighter and F-22 have not fought in BVR yet.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is a Swing-Roll as well meaning it can hold both air to air and air to ground payloads at the same time, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
Eurofighter King.
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Hi love your videos, just wanted your opinion on the F-35, in spec talk the F-35 is shit and just relying on stealth is a very bad thing.
But what do you say on it ?.
Specs and facts of the jet are below if you want to read them or you can look in to it yourself.
The F-35 is a UK US designd and built jet but its not good.
The F-35 has the worse specs on the planet for a jet today.
Speed / 1200mph Mach 1.56.
Hight / 50,000f.
Sustained Turn / 11 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn / 26.5 D/S.
Hard Points / 4 in stealth.
Hard Points / 8 to 10 in beast.
But in Beast mode the F-35 with external Missiles will slow it down more with drag going from its slow 1200mph to about 1000mph and worsen it's already bad turn rates with the extra weight going from 11 S/D Sustained to under 9 D/S and its Instantaneous from 26.5 D/S to about 22-23 D/S and its AOA worsening as well.
Range / A - C 1200 miles B 1000 miles and just internl fuel combat radius of 450NM.
Engine / Single non Thrust Vectoring 40,000ibf.
Stealth / Is shit in a real fight Radars are ahead.
6 F-35's has been seen by the S-400 Air Defence System.
In a real fight it is not in a closed off Airspace and you don't know how many enemy jets there are, and to kill a enemy you just have to lock on to them there's no missile travel Time so the enemy can't use its defences like Jammers - DRS - flares - Tows, its just locked on you win so the F-35's 20-1 kil rate IS BS.
BVR Missiles are not as good as people think it is, with BVR Missiles they have a bad hit rate at distance and the more distance between you and the enemy does not make any difference with RWS and what with DRS / Flares / Toes / Agility e.g to dodge them the BVR Missile has a big weak spot its rang and the F-35 only holds 4 in stealth mode and there not even the Best BVR Missile the British European Meteor missile ever.
So the first shot first kill meaning is out the window with the F-35.
Even if the enemy does jot know where the F-35 is as soon as he locked on to the enemy jet it will 1st know your in a certain distance area and 2nd as soon as the F-35 fires the enemy will know in what direction your in and cause the F-35 is slower then all other jets except the F/A-18 and can only go to a hight of 50,000f Radars are ahead of stealth anyway and the enemy jet will soon have you in its radar and down goes the F-35.
Gun / Only the A has a inbuilt gun a Single 25mm with 182 rounds.
B and C need a gun pod a Single 25mm with 220 rounds but takes up 1 hard point lowering it's missile count.
The Agility of the F-35 is shit, so it might have a good AOA but what good is that if it has the worst turn rate of all jets today in a real fight doing fantasy tricks is the last thing in or mind, the F-35 has a big turning circle with a Sustained Turn of 11 D/S it loses speed fast and even its Instantaneous pitch up is slower then most at 26.5 D/S.
The F-35 is shit and Countrys now are seeing that the UK US and Japan are pushing 6th gen jets and more in to upgrading older jets and BAE System's are making the F-3 for Japan to replace some of the F-35's to lower the orders for Japan.
With Air - Air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, and with Radar Worning Systems - Jammers - DRS and Flares pulse jet like the Eurofighter Rafale and Gripin Agility to have a better chance to dodge missiles.
Would have been better off putting Ram on the Tornado or Jaguar better specs in some areas and cheaper to run.
The F-35 does NOT use yet the Best BVR Missile in the world The British European Meteor missile.
Jets that would easily kill the F-35 are :
Eurofighter - Rafale - Gripin - F-16 - F-22 - SU-27 - SU-30/34/35 - SU-57 J-20 - F-15 - F/A-18 - MIG-35 - Tornado - F-4.
All of these jets have in some and in all better specs then the F-35.
The ONLY thing not killing the F-35 off completely is that people have put billions in on it.
But most dumb kids don't take time to read facts they just see it has stealth and thinks it's the best ( Its NOT ).
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Yes and No the F-35 is good but not the best, in area's like Bombing runs yes it's good, but just cause it can see 300+km away doesn't really mean anything, the F-35 longest range at the moment is the 120D about 160km, and air to air missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so no pilot will use its max range, pilots will wait until about 70-50km for example, for a better chance of a kill, but due to better and more advanced RWS's and then Defences missiles still have a bad chance of a hit, the F-35's Sustained Turn Rate is not the best at about 17 D/S the F-16 for example is about 18 D/S, and its Instantaneous Turn Rate about 26.5 D/S better then the F-16's by about 0.5, but is no where near the Eurofighter's or F-22's Sustained Turn and Instantaneous Turn rates, the speed of the F-35 is slow at 1200mph, yes speed is not the big issue but, having a higher speed means you can get in and out faster, plus the F-35 wouldn't be able to out run any jet, and the F-35 only holds 4 missiles being the B type, and 6 being the A and C types when and if there have a upgraded hard points in them, and as soon as it opens its bay doors the RCS goes up meaning easier to see at a longer distance, 4 F-35's may sound good flying around and hard to sneak up on them, but they will have to still get closer then you think, again to have a chance of a kill on the enemy jet's, remember enemy jet's have RWS's and Defences as well so it's not just a case of 300km fire get a kill, the F-35 only has a 50,000f ceiling as well, meaning it won't be able to out climb other jet's, in real life a fight is not always 70+km away amd Dogfighting is not 20feet between, a dogfight is WVR about 30km, and as soon as 1 or 2 enemy's jet's get close about 50-60km the F-35 is in trouble, Stealth won't work and yes the F-35 has Defences as well, but in a WVR fight guns can be used for example and it only needs 1 shot in the right place to take out a muilt million pound jet, the F-35A is the Only type with a inbuilt single 25mm gun but it still has trouble shooting straight, the B and C types need a Gun Pod a single 25mm but with more rounds.
So the F-35 is great for electrical warfare, and at 100+km away, but as soon as the enemy gets in about 70km, main Radars may only see the F-35 at about 50-60km but IRST Systems will see it 70+km away, and some jet's can use there IRST's with their Main Radar to help give there BVRM's a longer range on a stealth jet for a lock on, but again missiles have a bad hit rate at distance, so both sides are still having to get closer for a better chance for a kill.
The F-35 is good, but could be better.
The F-22 is old and outdated and just not good, jets like the Eurofighter and SU-57 are much better then the F-22 and F-35 in 95% of areas.
So the best jet is the Eurofighter.
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@hans2936
Kid you stupid or stupid.
The Eurofighter is much better then the Rafale, and your wrong saying that the Rafale wins, most the Eurofighter wins from Red Flag and other games, the Eurofighter wins in all areas in specs and performance.
For Example the only jet that comes close to the Eurofighter is the F-22, read below to help you understand stand why.
One more thing the Eurofighter is classed as a 4.5 gen more advanced then the Rafale.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, few years reading reports and papers, and all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years, with some Eurofighter Pilots with a joke about having Raptor States for lunch.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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I love it when dumb kid's say that the F-22 is the best or that it's on a different level, those kid's read to much Wikipedia, for example here is a few years of reading real reports and papers putting the Eurofighter against the F-22.
The Eurofighter is the best, it can do everything the F-22 can do and more.
Some Example's to show why the Eurofighter is king, all can be found online Paper's and Reports open to read.
The Eurofighter and the F-22 both can take off and go straight vertical, something that kid's say only the F-22 can do, again they read Wikipedia.
The Specs of the Eurofighter vs F-22 for example.
Speed /
Eurofighter 1550 mph Mach 2.0 TMS.
F-22 1495 mph Mach 1.98 TMS.
Altitude Ceiling /
Eurofighter 65,000 f.
F-22 63,000 f.
Sustained Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 28.5 D/S.
F-22 27 D/S.
Instantaneous Turn Rate /
Eurofighter 36.5 D/S.
F-22 35 D/S.
Engine Thrust - Vectoring /
Eurofighter 21,500 ibf x2 - 2D Vectoring, Vectoring up down left and right.
F-22 35,000 ibf x2 - 1D Vectoring, Vectoring up and down.
Plus the Eurofighter's EJ200 Engines are the most advanced.
Being 3 Different types of Thrust Vectoring, 1D - 2D - 3D.
Eurofighter is lighter and smaller so has a better power to weight ratio.
The Eurofighter has better range / Combat and A to B.
The Eurofighter Has a Better Dive/Cilmb Rate with better energy hold.
G's and -G's.
Eurofighter 9+ and -3.5G's.
F-22 9+ and -3.2G's.
Hard Points /
Eurofighter 13.
F-22 8.
Gun /
Eurofighter x1 27mm with 150 rounds.
F-22 x1 20mm with 480 rounds.
Missiles BVR - WVR /
Eurofighter BVR Meteor Missile the best in the world x2 ranges 1st 150km for fast agile Targets 2nd in testing showed to go 300km for other Targets, The Biggest NEZ of 60km, Speed of Mach 4.5, more Agile then the AIM-120D as well, WVR the ASRAAM Faster then the AIM-9X and more agile between 5 to 55km.
F-22 BVR AIM-120D 1x range Maxed at 160km a NEZ of 20km, and a speed of Mach 4, WVR AIM-9X more agile under 5km.
But no pilot will use the full range of their missile, like the 150+km on the Meteor or the 160km on the 120D due to the low chance of really hitting anything, and giving the enemy longer for the RWS's to pick it up and just do a 180 run, making the distance longer for the Missile, you'll want to fire within about 100 - 70km or even 50km, to have a higher chance for the Missile to hit and last time for the enemy to have to counter.
This is what I find funny is that people say, ( well this jet can fire from hundreds of miles away and kill it before ) NO, it's Bullshit their are the one's that don't know fuck about RWS's - MTT or even Defences, older 3rd gen jets with old as shit RWS's yes probably, but not 4th gen or 3rd gen with advanced or one of the most advanced RWS's ever in it, and plus again people that say from hundreds of miles away, don't know missiles.
Eurofighter uses the Striker 2 Helmet more advanced and able to lock on to targets and fire with out lining the jet up with the target.
F-22 is outdated and old the hardware and software is not there to be able to use the Helmet to lock on and fire like the Eurofighter can, so the F-22 needs to line up to lock and fire.
Radar /
The Eurofighter uses one of the best Radars out today, able to pick up the F-35 and F-22 from distance, and able to track a multi group of targets at once.
F-22 has a good Radar picks up the Eurofighter from distance as well, but cant handle as much as other radars can, but still can track lots of targets.
In War Games not just Rad Flag and in friendly training Between the Eurofighter and F-22 both have won against each other over the years.
Design /
Eurofighter was designed for Air Dominance and does have some stealth in the design having the smallest RCS against the Rafale and Gripen, with the Wing Design on the Eurofighter it is 20% more efficient then your wing design on the F-22, The Eurofighter is 1 of 2 jets the other being the J39 the Eurofighter in the same mission go from air to air then air to ground with its payload, the F-22 its one or the other.
The Eurofighter can do all the F-22 can do plus more, The Eurofighter has better specs better Missiles better Hardware and Software plus is used by the best the RAF.
Plus the F-22 is to expensive for the US to upgrade and keep maintaining, the F-22 was stop being made years ago, plus stop training for the F-22, but the Eurofighter is still being maintained and still being updated with newer and newer Hardware and Software.
The Eurofighter is king.
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The real law in Knives, some of what he stated was wrong, so here is a better picture 3 points on the law in the UK.
1st - You may carry a knife on you without reason, if it is 3 inches or under and non-locking, just not aloud to carry in Hospitals - Schools - Police Stations - Airport's for example, that does not include places like markets or shops.
2nd - You may carry a Knife that is 3 inches or over and Locking, and a fixed Blade as well if you have a reason to do so, ie Work - Hiking - Camping, you are not limited to a 3 inche or under non-locking knife for Camping.
3rd - If you are found with a knife that is over 3 inches locking or not and you are let's say out at 2am in town, you have the right to just hand it to the police that found it to be destroyed, you aren't going to jail or getting a fine or anything if you hand it in their and then.
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@cattledog901
Kid not really.
1st Stealth jet's have never seen real combat, just bombing runs.
2nd Plus Stealth holds a jets capabilities back.
3rd Plus a stealth jet is way to expensive with out others, the F-22 was to expensive for the US to keep making, since then the F-22 is now outdated against most jet's, plus the F-22 it's going to be another 4 years before it gets a HMD, something that a lot of jet's have already, part for that is the cost.
4th Stealth is beaten by IRST System's by seeing the heat from the friction between the Jet's wings and air, plus stealth jets are seen by radars at low bandwidth then can help a higher band see it, for example a JY-27 radar from China tracked a F-22, the pilot thinking that it couldn't be seen.
Stealth is not the best and radars are already ahead, plus country's are now not pushing as much for stealth like they did back few years, the only reason why the F-22 has good performance is cause they had to copy the Russians with Thrust Vectoring, but the F-22 still is not as good as the Eurofighter is performance for example.
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