Comments by "Ben Wil" (@benwil6048) on "Academy of Ideas"
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@smallasaurus4200 Ok, so I'm not sure what you mean with "faith that science will be the right answer", this doesn't make any sense. I think you've been lied to here because THIS is exactly what religious thinking is. IT is diametrically opposed to science in the way that in science this simply can not be. The entire premise of falsification is the opposite of this. In science we set out to prove ourselves wrong, so we do NOT have faith that it will be right, if anything we have faith it Will be wrong lol.
Not to be offensive but do you lnow what a scientific theory is? Very diff way of using the word theory. I suggest if you're unsure you look this up, because the creationists don't know what a scientific theory is and I get the feeling they have been filling your head with lies.
Regarding "random coincidences" and "anomalous happenings", we humans are pattern seeking creatures. Our brains are hardwired for this. It is understandable that you try to construe a link where there is none. I'm afraid these are what u said they are, random. Also you tend to remember the hits and forget the misses. Like if u were to pray "plz god help me find this item I lost" and u find it u go "aha thx god" but then forget the 50 times where u just couldn't find it 'oh god decided not to listen this time'. I'm sorry to say but the reason you think there must be a higher power is NOT because you're "crazy" it is because you have been spoon fed these stories since a young age, this is indoctrination. And imo a horrible child abuse.
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"science held in the same regard as religion", again I must vehemently disagree. religion is something to give "meaning", while the only thing science does is chase the truth, there is no meaning in science, only data and facts. Science holds no tenets.
"things beyond science", just a random fyi but science comes from the word "knowledge", "to know". I'll let that simmer for a while.
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"earthly things and spiritual things", the stickman analogy is nice but let me tell you where god fails to meet it.
The stickmen can look into the 'sky' and see the surface of this finger. But tell me, can You detect this god? Can I look up into the sky and see this god finger scoot by? We both know here that the answer is no, no we don't. There is nobody alive that has seen any gods. All you have is texts written by ignorant ppl, claiming all kinds of things that demonstrably never happen. When is the last time u saw the dead rise and wander Jerusalem? Or someone splitting a sea? Or entire cities vanishing cause the big bad, I mean dad, is angry? Even if we can only see an "infinitely small portion" of god, there IS something there to detect. And yet god is undetectable in any meaningful way. Feeling certain emotions is not detecting a god, anybody can have these emotions at any time. Especially when the priests n what not are doing Everything in their power to make u feel 'the presence of gawd'? Plz try look at this objectively. If the spiritual is real, it would be detectable. If god intervened somewhere we should be able to see this in some way.
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"flat-earth" false again, even ppl way back in Ancient Greece knew the earth was a sphere, by the power of math. It is specifically religion that failed yet again.
"It's just the logic of people who had more pressing issues than "Why am I here?""
What???? Come on man, the ENTIRE thing of religion is That exact question!
Why am I here? Why am I suffering? It's because god made us and has a plan. This is soothing to some ppl.
"Genesis', the world was created? How so? This is an assertion with 0 evidence to back it up. There was a Christian philosopher who came up with a very strong concept, it's called Occam's razor. It states that we should use the simplest explanation and not unnecessarily complicate things. I advise u to look into this as well. In short, we do not need gods to explain how the universe came to be in it's current stage. When Napoleon asked Laplace where god was in his solar system he said " Je n'ai pas eu besoin de cette hypothèse", god is not required ANYWHERE for the universe to work the way it does. And if you find yourself thinking "aha but he Created the universe, because everything has a cause" then please realize this is special pleading. In this case God needs a cause too, to say god exists always is just silly because well where is he? Instead, the universe has always been. Where is the universe? Everywhere. Where is god? Hello god? Will the real slim godly plz stand up? Nobody? You? No? Sorry looks like he's not home ;). Already you can see that we do have a universe, but god seems to be going for champion in hide n seek.
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"there are even theories that it wasn't an actual 24 hour period" Yeah this is called apologetics. Again OPPOSITE to science, religion says "I want x to be true' and then jumps through one million hoops to get there "but This part specifically wasn't literal, the other parts are but this one is a metaphor" do you not see how weak this argument is? It's desperately trying to make the bible work, but it doesn't. It goes to show My point. So the days of creation are a metaphor, but Jesus was totally real, no metaphor? eventually god will run out of gaps to hide in, will the bible be wholly metaphor at that point? what is the point of it? We're going to cherry pick what we like anyway, the bible endorses slavery but you don't (I assume), why is that? are u more moral than god? And plz don't start with "it wasn't as bad/indentured servitude " it was slavery 200%, no doubt about it. Just cut out the middleman and accept you are NOT a sick, sinful creature but a human being that as always, makes up his own mind about morals.
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You seem to write off the ppl back then as having "more important thigns to do" but I must disagree each time. Ppl are scared little critters, we see things we don't understand and we try to explain because knowledge is power. This is how these rituals come to be, it's an attempt to escape powerlessness over the vast, mysterious force of nature. Also in genesis god is literally walking around in the garden, he is embodied. And the humans could hide from him, not all knowing. but an ubergod is more appealing than this one so that is how it came to evolve.
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"the tale of the golem", the golem's name was Adam. you know who he's supposed to be, look in your bible and see. Golems are made of clay, and then he magics and poof it's a real boy.
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Hold up here, so your indoctrination was successful and you became a Christian. My indoctrination was not successful, I am not a Christian. The difference is probably that for me it was not my parents trying to indoctrinate me but my grandparents and school. I would like to think I would have resisted the indoctrination in Iran as well. so no I would not be Muslim. But if I were this only goes to show my point lol, it shows the Power of indoctrination. You believing in gods has NOTHING to do with the truth value of the bible. All it means is that as a young impressionable kid, that is supposed to learn from it's parents how to survive, you've been fed contingent stories and because of this you accept them now. Not because they are true, because I think we can agree Islam is not true? So why would a Muslim be just as sure as you? Indoctrination is child abuse, my mom had nightmares of hell when she was 5. religion brings so much suffering into this world.
"Our nature influences our beliefs", I'm sorry but what? What nature? What? It is our environment that influences our beliefs lol, your parents and the ppl around you.
It seems that you're saying it is part of Christian duty to preach to save ppl? But tell me, do ppl that never heard 'the good word' go to hell? I mean, they don't know they're breaking "The law" so how could they be punished for it? So what do you do? You tell them and poof, oops suddenly YOU ARE going to hell. Woops sorry best believe now or BURN. Oh I can feel the love already, so hot. Actually no, it hurts and burns. Plz keep your sadist gods away.
You seem like a really good person and I think you do have a head on your shoulders. Sorry to see you've been abused like that, I just want to close with the following truth:
Creationists ALWAYS lie about science, plz dont listen to them and find real sources. I trust you could escape from this web of lies. It will only make you a more moral person. I hope you can escape it
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@smallasaurus4200 Lol nah man, you've missed the ball quite hard there. "Proud atheist" lol that's just funny, I couldn't care less. I see the projection is still strong.
I focus on what exactly? Microscopes? lol
I believe your bible says it exquisitely, "faith is evidence for things unseen" so no you're categorically wrong. You may want to refer to AXP episodes where they talk about the difference between faith and trust. Eg. "I trust this chair will not break" because I have empirical data of chairs not breaking under my weight, unless maybe the chair is wonky in some way. You have faith jesus is real, for no reason except jingle for the bible tells me so. That's faith, a religious belief. You also are aware religion is usually about worshipping something? There is no worship in science, and that is the end of it. The whole goal of science is to get falsified, this is the opposite of faith, which only seeks to confirm its bias.
Anyways "it takes the place of religion"? So science consist of mythology? I had no idea! you do realize religion is based on a collection of myths (aka stories) while science is based on empirical observation? And you clearly did not think this through, science takes the place of religion?
So... it's either science or religion? What are you doing on the internet then? This is a product of science, plz return to your bronze age huts and worship your fables, cause apparently it's either religion or science. And I think we all know how BAD religion is at explaining the world; flat earth, firmament, created in a few days, magic man in the sky, using a golem spell to animate a clay doll to become human, etc etc this is ridiculous. I hope you can one day find the fortitude of mind to escape your indoctrination. to that end I can only urge you to read the bible and be aware that if you were born in Iran you'd be convincing me of Allah right now, I wonder why that is....
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