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@user-ue5yw6zb9k Well, you obviously don't.
The Covid 19 vaccine has gone through the same testing as the regular vaccines. It hasn't finished phase 4 or 5 yet but all the preliminary testing is done. They usually allow vaccines to the public after phase 3 testing.
Also, mRNA vaccines have been being developed and tested for over 20 years. They have been tested and used on humans for about a decade. They know the risks.
And even with risks, the amount of people having adverse reactions to the vaccine are an extremely minimal percentage compared to the Covid 19 percentage.
The rate of death is an even smaller percentage than rate of adverse reactions.
So basically, if you people think the percentage of deaths for COVID-19 is too small a number to care about.......well the percent for the vaccines is way, way, way, way, way smaller.
Also, mRNA vaccines do indeed take less time to be developed. This means they can begin testing sooner. And! They don't use stem cell lines derived from aborted foetuses. Technology and progress amazing, I know.
Quit choosing to be ignorant. You can go read all the stuff they learned about mRNA vaccines over the last 30 years.
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WHAT'S IN A VACCINE?
When a person encounters a pathogen, there is no way to predict whether it will induce a mild or severe form of disease or how the body will react. But vaccines are selected to contain a weakened or dead form of the disease-causing germ that can spark an immune response. Exposure will thus allow the body to build up immunity in a controlled way. The immune system reaction stops this compromised foreign invader in its tracks at the site of injection. And the key to vaccine success is that, afterward, the immune system starts to create fast-response infection fighters called memory cells that will circulate throughout the body and be able to recognize (and fend off) that same pathogen in the future.
These weak or killed stimulants, called antigens, are grown in a lab setting, isolated and then mixed with preservatives, stabilizers and a substance like aluminum that will trigger the immune system to vigorously respond to the vaccine. The process saves lives: among children born in the past two decades, vaccinations will prevent more than 20 million hospitalizations and 732,000 deaths, according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates.
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@fkdkdkfkrkska48485 Yeah because you are being ignorant.
Instead of comprehending things you pick and choose what you want to believe.
The risk is nothing compared to the risk of COVID-19. And the vaccine isn't just about you not dieing. Just continue to be scared and ignorant. The more of you that do so, the quicker we won't have to deal with y'alls ignorance. You just aren't going to live as long as the rest of us.
Yes the vaccine did get fast tracked, by people all working together on the same thing at the same time, there is tons of documentation on every step, like I said, but you would rather be scared and refuse to find that for yourself, it's gotta be spoon fed to you or it's not true, which means there is no hope for you anyways.
There was testing, every vaccine starts shipping out to people after phase 3 trials. Why? Because we have been using and testing for a long time, even mRNA vaccines.
Testing happened, quit choosing to be ignorant.
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@o4pureh2o And I have found the kicker. That isn't the full amount of information...once again, y'alls motto, out of context.
The unvaccinated, as it's labeled in that particular data, are only the people that are completely unknown...the vaccinated and unvaccinated that are accounted for in the Australian pop. are grouped together. There is apparently another report that breaks that group of the pop. down further into vaccinated and unvaccinated, the different vaccines they got, the amount of boosters and so on.
Also, it is not accounting for the data on age of deaths, other underlying factors and the amount of people that are vaccinated.
The higher amount of deaths is happening at majority in older at risk groups who were vaccinated. Not every day people living their lives. Basically, because everybody there is vaccinated, the people who are frail and old or already sick who then catch it still, are counted as vaccinated. It's a statistic that was expected to go up once everybody was vaccinated...because you know people are still going to die from things.
I know y'all think when they claim that vaccines help stop infection they mean individually... that's not what they mean. Vaccines don't stop infection like that. They slow the spread of it by giving people immunity so that they aren't sick and contagious for as long a period of time. Which stops as many people from being infected... especially since y'all can't just stay home when you are sick or at least wear a mask when you go in public and might have something....cause we both know you kept going out and about, even before Covid when it was just the flu...you are definitely the type.
You don't have to fear monger....the actual truth is out there...this is why large sets of data being cherry picked out of context is misleading and dangerous.
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@foxwylde2510 sigh...not exactly....you are almost there.
Regardless, this history humbles vaccine scientists. They know that they hold people’s lives in their hands. As stated by Dr. Maurice Hilleman, perhaps the most prolific vaccine scientist in history, “I never breathe a sigh of relief until the first few million doses are out there,” (Personal communication, Paul Offit, 2004). For this reason, scientists and public health officials carefully analyze and continually monitor the data related to every vaccine before, during and after it becomes available.
Even with this history in mind, some reasonably wonder about the COVID-19 vaccines because they have not previously been approved for use in people. But here, too, we can be confident in what we know:
mRNA vaccine
Although COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are new, this type of vaccine has been studied in people before. mRNA vaccines against HIV, rabies, Zika and flu have been tested in phase 1 and phase 2 trials in people. The technology has also been used in clinical trials as a way to treat some cancers. Even though these products have not been licensed for use in people, these efforts provided important information about mRNA technology and its safety.
mRNA is made and used in protein production in all cells of our bodies. As such, cells have mechanisms in place to ensure that no protein is made in quantities greater than needed. One way this happens is that mRNA has a “poly(A) tail.” In the cytoplasm, this tail ensures mRNA decay. As the mRNA is used to make proteins in the cell, the length of the poly(A) tail decreases, until it is too short for the mRNA to continue being used as a protein blueprint. Once this happens, the mRNA breaks down and is removed as cellular debris. This process limits how long mRNA remains in the cytoplasm — and, therefore, how much protein is produced.
As such, poly(A) tails ensure that the cell breaks down the vaccine mRNA in a timely manner. Likewise, this understanding allows scientists to design vaccine-delivered mRNA in a way that ensures it does not stay in the cell longer than needed to generate immunity.
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@BS-ge4ne Regardless, this history humbles vaccine scientists. They know that they hold people’s lives in their hands. As stated by Dr. Maurice Hilleman, perhaps the most prolific vaccine scientist in history, “I never breathe a sigh of relief until the first few million doses are out there,” (Personal communication, Paul Offit, 2004). For this reason, scientists and public health officials carefully analyze and continually monitor the data related to every vaccine before, during and after it becomes available.
Even with this history in mind, some reasonably wonder about the COVID-19 vaccines because they have not previously been approved for use in people. But here, too, we can be confident in what we know:
mRNA vaccine
Although COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are new, this type of vaccine has been studied in people before. mRNA vaccines against HIV, rabies, Zika and flu have been tested in phase 1 and phase 2 trials in people. The technology has also been used in clinical trials as a way to treat some cancers. Even though these products have not been licensed for use in people, these efforts provided important information about mRNA technology and its safety.
mRNA is made and used in protein production in all cells of our bodies. As such, cells have mechanisms in place to ensure that no protein is made in quantities greater than needed. One way this happens is that mRNA has a “poly(A) tail.” In the cytoplasm, this tail ensures mRNA decay. As the mRNA is used to make proteins in the cell, the length of the poly(A) tail decreases, until it is too short for the mRNA to continue being used as a protein blueprint. Once this happens, the mRNA breaks down and is removed as cellular debris. This process limits how long mRNA remains in the cytoplasm — and, therefore, how much protein is produced.
As such, poly(A) tails ensure that the cell breaks down the vaccine mRNA in a timely manner. Likewise, this understanding allows scientists to design vaccine-delivered mRNA in a way that ensures it does not stay in the cell longer than needed to generate immunity.
The chances of adverse effects happening to anybody are slimmer than dieing from COVID-19...and y'all say that is like impossible, right?
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WHAT'S IN A VACCINE?
When a person encounters a pathogen, there is no way to predict whether it will induce a mild or severe form of disease or how the body will react. But vaccines are selected to contain a weakened or dead form of the disease-causing germ that can spark an immune response. Exposure will thus allow the body to build up immunity in a controlled way. The immune system reaction stops this compromised foreign invader in its tracks at the site of injection. And the key to vaccine success is that, afterward, the immune system starts to create fast-response infection fighters called memory cells that will circulate throughout the body and be able to recognize (and fend off) that same pathogen in the future.
These weak or killed stimulants, called antigens, are grown in a lab setting, isolated and then mixed with preservatives, stabilizers and a substance like aluminum that will trigger the immune system to vigorously respond to the vaccine. The process saves lives: among children born in the past two decades, vaccinations will prevent more than 20 million hospitalizations and 732,000 deaths, according to U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates.
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@lovehategoddie from a year where 45 million people got the flu and 61,000 died... 2017 if I am remembering right from the guy I fact checked earlier...
We have just over 1 million and are almost at 61,000 deaths. ...so for fun, lets say we reached 45 million infected with Corona. If we get another, 60,000 deaths per 1 million people and base it off that. Here actually, lets just make it half that, 30,000 people for every 1million. So,
44,000,000•30,000=1.32e12 (1e12 is 1,000,000,000,000 (a million million).
Even if we start by cutting the death rate im half for the first next million to catch it, and then halving it again for the next million and so on as if it were getting weaker over time..... it's a lot of people.
Luckily we don't just have to wait for that because we have smarter people than us working on medicine to save people like all of us
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@luizy6701 It's all about the question of free will, how much of what we are doing is actually us making choices and what is just "programmed responses". Even with the Oracle, Neo was being controlled bit passively, the whole bench scene, She knows Neo will sit, he wants to sit, bit once she says have a seat he feels like she was reading the future, so he decides to stand. Then he decides he might as well sit and that it doesn't matter, just like the Oracle had seen already. So is he making those choices? And then with his vision of Trinity, he has already made the choice, so does that mean he is making all the choices and actions in between those moments of his own free will or is he just playing a part in a play still?
Basically what is free will, why do we fight so hard for the feeling of it when even that is a simulation? What is the point of life? You know all that...lol What is the Matrix?
But seriously, all of our reactions and things we do are just kind of programming, that our brain runs to keep us surviving, and are we making those choices...we all have ways we react to things because of patterns we've picked up in our lives. Do we actually make the choices we make, how do you unplug from the matrix of society when it is harming you...I don't know man, there really are countless layers. Like the whole religious allegory side, the metaphysics side, the political philosophical take on society. It's about a lot of things. That's what's so great about it. And then all wrapped up in a scifi action flick with gorgeous aesthetic. It's a work of art.
I am a biased fan boy though.
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@badkitty1159 You claimed that the exact same thing that "trumps people" did, was somehow not suspicious. Then I disagreed with you and said by that logic they are both guilty then. You got mad and started calling me a loser essentially. Then when I pointed out again how you were wrong, or just pointing out they both did this, so by your logic then trump is guilty of whatever too, they wouldn't allow witnesses in but that's not suspicious. Retaliatory is to seek revenge. I was furthering a conversation and making a point. Once again, your comment however, is a absolutely a retaliatory attack. Prob because you know I am right and it made you go into super defense mode. Once again, you pointed at Bidens people holding this investigation up as proof of his wrong doing... So, by YOUR logic, that would mean since trumps people held up investigations, trump is also guilty. Making america great doesn't include dividing it's people even more. That's how you start a dictatorship.
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This is just an ignorant lie. Not even close to true. The vaccines were almost done with phase 3 trials when we started to get them.
Regardless, this history humbles vaccine scientists. They know that they hold people’s lives in their hands. As stated by Dr. Maurice Hilleman, perhaps the most prolific vaccine scientist in history, “I never breathe a sigh of relief until the first few million doses are out there,” (Personal communication, Paul Offit, 2004). For this reason, scientists and public health officials carefully analyze and continually monitor the data related to every vaccine before, during and after it becomes available.
Even with this history in mind, some reasonably wonder about the COVID-19 vaccines because they have not previously been approved for use in people. But here, too, we can be confident in what we know:
mRNA vaccine
Although COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are new, this type of vaccine has been studied in people before. mRNA vaccines against HIV, rabies, Zika and flu have been tested in phase 1 and phase 2 trials in people. The technology has also been used in clinical trials as a way to treat some cancers. Even though these products have not been licensed for use in people, these efforts provided important information about mRNA technology and its safety.
mRNA is made and used in protein production in all cells of our bodies. As such, cells have mechanisms in place to ensure that no protein is made in quantities greater than needed. One way this happens is that mRNA has a “poly(A) tail.” In the cytoplasm, this tail ensures mRNA decay. As the mRNA is used to make proteins in the cell, the length of the poly(A) tail decreases, until it is too short for the mRNA to continue being used as a protein blueprint. Once this happens, the mRNA breaks down and is removed as cellular debris. This process limits how long mRNA remains in the cytoplasm — and, therefore, how much protein is produced.
As such, poly(A) tails ensure that the cell breaks down the vaccine mRNA in a timely manner. Likewise, this understanding allows scientists to design vaccine-delivered mRNA in a way that ensures it does not stay in the cell longer than needed to generate immunity.
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@bluecoffee8414 we used all the other vaccines before longterm trial phases were done too. They only have to make it through phase 3 trials to be deemed safe enough for the general use in the public.
The COVID-19 vaccines hadn't finished phase 3 trials when we began to distribute them but they had made it through phase 1 and 2 trials. Shortly after that release they completed phase 3 trials.
On top of that there had been a decade of use and testing on humans before 2020.
Regardless, this history humbles vaccine scientists. They know that they hold people’s lives in their hands. As stated by Dr. Maurice Hilleman, perhaps the most prolific vaccine scientist in history, “I never breathe a sigh of relief until the first few million doses are out there,” (Personal communication, Paul Offit, 2004). For this reason, scientists and public health officials carefully analyze and continually monitor the data related to every vaccine before, during and after it becomes available.
Even with this history in mind, some reasonably wonder about the COVID-19 vaccines because they have not previously been approved for use in people. But here, too, we can be confident in what we know:
mRNA vaccine
Although COVID-19 mRNA vaccines are new, this type of vaccine has been studied in people before. mRNA vaccines against HIV, rabies, Zika and flu have been tested in phase 1 and phase 2 trials in people. The technology has also been used in clinical trials as a way to treat some cancers. Even though these products have not been licensed for use in people, these efforts provided important information about mRNA technology and its safety.
mRNA is made and used in protein production in all cells of our bodies. As such, cells have mechanisms in place to ensure that no protein is made in quantities greater than needed. One way this happens is that mRNA has a “poly(A) tail.” In the cytoplasm, this tail ensures mRNA decay. As the mRNA is used to make proteins in the cell, the length of the poly(A) tail decreases, until it is too short for the mRNA to continue being used as a protein blueprint. Once this happens, the mRNA breaks down and is removed as cellular debris. This process limits how long mRNA remains in the cytoplasm — and, therefore, how much protein is produced.
As such, poly(A) tails ensure that the cell breaks down the vaccine mRNA in a timely manner. Likewise, this understanding allows scientists to design vaccine-delivered mRNA in a way that ensures it does not stay in the cell longer than needed to generate immunity.
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