Comments by "leafy" (@leafy803) on "Yousef Makki: Coroner's court rules schoolboy was ‘unlawfully killed’" video.

  1. 'In a lengthy ruling delivered at south Manchester coroner’s court on Wednesday, the coroner Geraint Williams concluded that while Yousef did have a knife on the day of the killing, he had not waved it at Molnar, and it had been in his jacket pocket when he was stabbed. Consequently, Molnar had not acted in self-defence, Williams ruled. However, Molnar “did not intend to directly or obliquely kill Yousef or cause him serious harm”, Williams added. Williams ruled that Molnar had shown “calculated deceit” in hiding two knives in gardens nearby, before lying to the police about others being responsible for the killing, blaming “four black guys”. Williams found Molnar “an articulate and intelligent young man” but described Chowdhary’s evidence as “self-serving and disingenuous”. The coroner dismissed Chowdhary’s claim to have not seen the stabbing, and suggested that then, as now, Chowdhary was frightened of Molnar. Chowdhary admitted arranging the drug deal on the day of the murder, and ordering £90 worth of cannabis – more money than he had. When his dealer turned up with two other men, he panicked and ran away, leaving his two friends alone. The men beat up Molnar and stole his £2,000 bike, the court heard. Annoyed with Yousef for not intervening and angry with Chowdhary for running off, Molnar forced Chowdhary to hand over his jacket as “surety”, Williams ruled. This led to an “altercation” in the street in Hale Barns, which led Molnar to draw his knife, and ultimately to Yousef’s death.'
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  2. 'While a jury in a criminal trial must be sure beyond reasonable doubt of guilt, at an inquest a coroner can make conclusions based on the lower standard of using a balance of probabilities.'
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  3. 'While a jury in a criminal trial must be sure beyond reasonable doubt of guilt, at an inquest a coroner can make conclusions based on the lower standard of using a balance of probabilities.'
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  4.  @Pleblordy  I've been reading about it tonight, you may be interested in the 'Chief Coroner’s Law Sheet No.1' on Uks 'judiciary' online guide. Also 'Carter Perry Bailey' guide on the Supreme Court's judicial review 'R(Maughan) v HM Senior Coroner' that was referenced in the above.
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  5. 'Earlier coroner Mr Williams, concluding the inquest, said: “I find as a fact Yousef Makki did not use a knife to threaten or attack Joshua Molnar. “I also find use of a knife unnecessary, disproportionate and unreasonable. I conclude he did not act in lawful self-defence. “Therefore, I conclude that Mr Makki was unlawfully killed is fully made out by the evidence.” Mr Williams said Molnar was angry at the time of the stabbing and he was dishonest in the aftermath, using “calmness and calculated deceit.” And Molnar’s explanations as to what happened he described as “self-serving and too convenient” as the evidence pointed to Yousef not being violent. He added: “No explanation has been offered why Mr Makki would suddenly produce a knife and threaten Joshua Molnar, his good friend.” Molnar admitted lying in panic about what happened after the stabbing and lawyers for the Makki family highlighted many “discrepancies” in his account of how Yousef was stabbed. Molnar told the jury at his trial that during a row Yousef had pulled a knife out first. At the first inquest he said he could not remember who took a knife out first. Another youth, Adam Chowdhary, was with the pair at the time. He said he did not see what happened because he was on his phone. Chowdhary had bought the flick knives online. Mr Williams said he did not accept Chowdhary did not see what happened. He added: “I find Mr Chowdhary to be an unimpressive witness. Parts of his evidence were self-serving and disingenuous.” Yousef, from Burnage, Manchester, became friends with the pair, both from wealthy Cheshire families, after winning a scholarship to £12,000-a-year Manchester Grammar School. All three were 17 at the time. While a jury in a criminal trial must be sure beyond reasonable doubt of guilt, at an inquest a coroner can make conclusions based on the lower standard of using a balance of probabilities. Molnar’s trial heard that Yousef’s death was “an accident waiting to happen”, he and Chowdhary being “rich kids who have never had to live in the real world”. They called each other “Bro” and “Fam”, acting out “idiotic fantasies” of being “middle class gangsters” by messing around with knives, smoking cannabis and listening to drill music, the jury was told. Molnar was jailed for 16 months for carrying a knife in public and perverting the course of justice after initially lying to police. Chowdhary, now 21, did not give evidence at Molnar’s murder trial. He was found not guilty of perverting the course of justice and given a four-month detention order after admitting having a knife in public.'
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  6. In his conclusion, Mr Williams said Molnar was 'annoyed at Mr Makki' for not intervening in the attack by drug dealers, which was exacerbated by Yousef calling Molnar a 'p****'. Molnar then produced a knife he took from Chowdhary, extended his arm towards Yousef and fatally stabbed him, the coroner said.
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  7. 'Adam Chowdhary, from Hale Barns, was acquitted after the trial of perverting the course of justice. He was given a four-month detention order after admitting possession of a flick knife, one of two he claimed he and Yousef had jointly ordered online during a break from lessons at MGS.'
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  8. Yousef Makki stabbing death was unlawful, new inquest concludes - Guardian. Justice served, say Yousef Makki’s family after unlawful killing ruling - Independent Police will 'carefully review' Yousef Makki inquest ruling after coroner found he was unlawfully killed when he was stabbed to death by a friend - as schoolboy's family say they have finally got 'justice' - Daily Mail Youth who imported the knife that killed Yousef Makki deleted 47 items from his phone, new inquest hears - Manchester Evening News
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