Comments by "leafy" (@leafy803) on "Reading attack inquest: Deaths were “probably avoidable”" video.
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He wasn't deported after his previous prison term, ending in 2020 or other convictions. I would think his welfare, empathy for his background were priotized?.. '1. In 2011, as a teenager in Libya, the Defendant was trained to fight and fought (for a period of at least 8 months) as a member of the extremist Islamic militia Ansar al Sharia (which is now proscribed in this country) – doing so both during the uprising against the Gaddafi regime and after the fall of that regime.
2. When, in the autumn of 2012, the Defendant applied for asylum in this country, he lied about his role in Ansar al-Sharia, and as to the circumstances in which he came to part from them.
3. The Defendant held extremist Islamic views whilst in Ansar al-Sharia, and continued to do so, albeit with lapses (for example in relation to drink and drugs) up to and including the events on 20 June 2020 – as illustrated by his retention of militaristic images relating to his time in Ansar al-Sharia...
4. After his release from a prison sentence on 5 June 2020, the Defendant began to plan his attack and, by 15 June 2020, had identified Forbury Gardens as a potential venue for it. On 17 June 2020, he reconnoitred Forbury Gardens and confirmed it as the venue.
..13. At the Police station he admitted, on a number of occasions, that what he had done was Jihad (in the sense used by extremists) and that as a result he was going to paradise.
..In considering this issue I have applied the Guideline in relation to sentencing offenders with mental disorders.
Having considered the evidence, including the evidence of the various psychiatrists who examined the Defendant on 21, 23 and 25 June 2020 and the compelling reasoning in the
statements of the Prosecution psychiatrist Dr Blackwood, I am sure that the Defendant was
not suffering from a mental disorder or mental disability which lowered his degree of
culpability for any of the offences. Rather, although there are indicators that he had a conduct disorder in childhood, and meets the diagnostic criteria for an anti-social personality
disorder and for moderately severe substance misuse disorder, it is clear that the Defendant did not, and does not, have any major mental illness. Indeed, as Dr Blackwood has rightly
observed, to the extent that aspects of the Defendant’s behaviour on 18 or 19 June 2020 caused concern to others they were the product of drug consumption, had resolved by the
evening of the 19th and played no part in the events of the 20th. Instead, the offences were carried out in a pre-meditated, planned and carefully executed manner, and the Defendant
knew the nature and quality of his acts and that what he was doing was wrong. Equally, whilst the offences were shaped by features of the Defendant’s personality disorder, there was no substantial impairment of his ability to understand the nature of his conduct, to form a rational judgment or to exercise self-control.
..The seriousness of the murders is, however, aggravated by the fact that the Defendant has 6 previous convictions for some 16 offences – including 2 for racially or religiously aggravated harassment, 8 for offences of violence, and 2 for the possession of a knife or bladed article. '
Extracts from Judges Sentencing Remarks January 2021
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Extracts from Judges sentencing remarks in 2021..'1. In 2011, as a teenager in Libya, the Defendant was trained to fight and fought (for a period of at least 8 months) as a member of the extremist Islamic militia Ansar al Sharia (which is now proscribed in this country) – doing so both during the uprising against the Gaddafi regime and after the fall of that regime.
2. When, in the autumn of 2012, the Defendant applied for asylum in this country, he lied about his role in Ansar al-Sharia, and as to the circumstances in which he came to part from them.
3. The Defendant held extremist Islamic views whilst in Ansar al-Sharia, and continued to do so, albeit with lapses (for example in relation to drink and drugs) up to and including the events on 20 June 2020 – as illustrated by his retention of militaristic images relating to his time in Ansar al-Sharia...
4. After his release from a prison sentence on 5 June 2020, the Defendant began to plan his attack and, by 15 June 2020, had identified Forbury Gardens as a potential venue for it. On 17 June 2020, he reconnoitred Forbury Gardens and confirmed it as the venue.
..13. At the Police station he admitted, on a number of occasions, that what he had done was Jihad (in the sense used by extremists) and that as a result he was going to paradise.
..In considering this issue I have applied the Guideline in relation to sentencing offenders with mental disorders.
Having considered the evidence, including the evidence of the various psychiatrists who examined the Defendant on 21, 23 and 25 June 2020 and the compelling reasoning in the
statements of the Prosecution psychiatrist Dr Blackwood, I am sure that the Defendant was
not suffering from a mental disorder or mental disability which lowered his degree of
culpability for any of the offences. Rather, although there are indicators that he had a conduct disorder in childhood, and meets the diagnostic criteria for an anti-social personality
disorder and for moderately severe substance misuse disorder, it is clear that the Defendant did not, and does not, have any major mental illness. Indeed, as Dr Blackwood has rightly
observed, to the extent that aspects of the Defendant’s behaviour on 18 or 19 June 2020 caused concern to others they were the product of drug consumption, had resolved by the
evening of the 19th and played no part in the events of the 20th. Instead, the offences were carried out in a pre-meditated, planned and carefully executed manner, and the Defendant
knew the nature and quality of his acts and that what he was doing was wrong. Equally, whilst the offences were shaped by features of the Defendant’s personality disorder, there was no substantial impairment of his ability to understand the nature of his conduct, to form a rational judgment or to exercise self-control.
..The seriousness of the murders is, however, aggravated by the fact that the Defendant has 6 previous convictions for some 16 offences – including 2 for racially or religiously aggravated harassment, 8 for offences of violence, and 2 for the possession of a knife or bladed article.'
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He lied about his background when he claimed asylum. We take people for their word, account. Also, obviously some countries don't have the same criminal history records protocols etc.., or reporting culture. Extracts from Judges Sentencing Remarks January 2021..
'1. In 2011, as a teenager in Libya, the Defendant was trained to fight and fought (for a period of at least 8 months) as a member of the extremist Islamic militia Ansar al Sharia (which is now proscribed in this country) – doing so both during the uprising against the Gaddafi regime and after the fall of that regime.
2. When, in the autumn of 2012, the Defendant applied for asylum in this country, he lied about his role in Ansar al-Sharia, and as to the circumstances in which he came to part from them.
3. The Defendant held extremist Islamic views whilst in Ansar al-Sharia, and continued to do so, albeit with lapses (for example in relation to drink and drugs) up to and including the events on 20 June 2020 – as illustrated by his retention of militaristic images relating to his time in Ansar al-Sharia...
4. After his release from a prison sentence on 5 June 2020, the Defendant began to plan his attack and, by 15 June 2020, had identified Forbury Gardens as a potential venue for it. On 17 June 2020, he reconnoitred Forbury Gardens and confirmed it as the venue.
..13. At the Police station he admitted, on a number of occasions, that what he had done was Jihad (in the sense used by extremists) and that as a result he was going to paradise.
..In considering this issue I have applied the Guideline in relation to sentencing offenders with mental disorders.
Having considered the evidence, including the evidence of the various psychiatrists who examined the Defendant on 21, 23 and 25 June 2020 and the compelling reasoning in the
statements of the Prosecution psychiatrist Dr Blackwood, I am sure that the Defendant was
not suffering from a mental disorder or mental disability which lowered his degree of
culpability for any of the offences. Rather, although there are indicators that he had a conduct disorder in childhood, and meets the diagnostic criteria for an anti-social personality
disorder and for moderately severe substance misuse disorder, it is clear that the Defendant did not, and does not, have any major mental illness. Indeed, as Dr Blackwood has rightly
observed, to the extent that aspects of the Defendant’s behaviour on 18 or 19 June 2020 caused concern to others they were the product of drug consumption, had resolved by the
evening of the 19th and played no part in the events of the 20th. Instead, the offences were carried out in a pre-meditated, planned and carefully executed manner, and the Defendant
knew the nature and quality of his acts and that what he was doing was wrong. Equally, whilst the offences were shaped by features of the Defendant’s personality disorder, there was no substantial impairment of his ability to understand the nature of his conduct, to form a rational judgment or to exercise self-control.
..The seriousness of the murders is, however, aggravated by the fact that the Defendant has 6 previous convictions for some 16 offences – including 2 for racially or religiously aggravated harassment, 8 for offences of violence, and 2 for the possession of a knife or bladed article. '
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