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At least in the case of television we've paid something since long before streaming. Being bombarded with advertising is a cost.
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When it comes to intellectual property they've always wanted to have their cake and eat it. They want it viewed as the same as physical property when it suits them and not otherwise. Hence if you buy a television and it is substandard you can take it back for a refund, but if a film is substandard you can't. In the case of physical media they claimed you were buying a license, but then they also tied the license to that specific physical copy, so you couldn't ask for a new copy if the physical media failed or was damaged.
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@Mariposa_46 Tell that to all my books that were destroyed when we had a leak.
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I remember when we used to witness television shows and films only showing once, never to be seen again. People act like it has been normal throughout history to have continued access to everything.
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@ducklingscap897 You're confusing owning the right to make and sell copies with the right to own a single copy.
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@shanenokes1170 Exactly. It was hardly some nefarious action on their part. Anyone could easily get themselves a copy of a different version.
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@smughorse My experience is the opposite. Their customer service handles my queries promptly and I've never had a problem sorting out issues.
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Technically the same applies to physical media.
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@rodhernandez4134 This is exactly what happened, but it usually doesn't get mentioned because it does not fit the narrative of Amazon completely removing a book from existence.
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@sebfox2194 That is the quote, but taken out of context. The article in question was intended to make you think about where things are headed, not endorse it. But I suppose it is too much to expect people to actually go read and understand it.
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Technically you never owned the music on a CD either. If that CD stopped playing or was destroyed your license was gone with it. If you read the fine print for physical media you'll find you don't own any of the content, only the physical medium.
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Unfortunately like films and music only a very tiny minority make a substantial amount of money. That's the fault of the way business works. Sadly the biggest players in the music business have now also captured streaming, so the wealthiest musicians continue to siphon off most of the money.
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One roof leak and I lost many boxes of expensive books. Then there are the various LPs that were scratched or otherwise damaged. 78s that just broke. Cassettes that were mangled in the player. Analogue hell. On the other hand a dead computer does not necessarily mean a dead drive.
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Gets expensive once you factor in storage costs.
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If those same customers had bought a physical copy of an illegally produced book they would have been able to hold onto to it, but they would have potentially been breaking the law because they'd bought counterfeit goods
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You have to choose which Kindle the file will be encrypted for. That's always been the case.
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But digital books can also be preserved. It's actually easier and more secure than physical books.
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@GeekyC. You're basically acknowledging that physical books don't protect against such changes, because those older copies won't always be around and they're hard to replicate to create more copies.
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Possible to do, but not legal.
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Slow boiling is what makes the frogs jump out.
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@AJ-vy4yu Maybe they like authoritarian state capitalism, the political system of the Soviet Union.
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@kahnmann What happens if you owe anyone money? By your logic you don't own anything because someone can take your assets to cover your debts.
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Back when it was all physical books the majority of people bought the cheapest copy of a book, read it and then tossed it.
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@drmadjdsadjadi Consent from whom?
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No Kindle stops working regardless of whether Amazon still supports it.
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If you don't own a Kindle or have the equivalent application installed on your computer then you don't have any devices that can use a file downloaded directly to your computer. You probably read on a tablet or phone.
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@johnunderwood9575 Really people should stop misusing that quote. Furthermore if you owed money to anyone they could force you to sell your land or seize it to cover your debts.
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@johnunderwood9575 I doubt it is anything new for publishers to hold the right to make changes. It's certainly always been the case for musicians, barring a few exceptions, that the label owned the music and could do with it whatever they pleased. Including just not bothering to release it. "Owning" as in buying some physical medium containing a film or music is a very new phenomenon in human history. Maybe it will soon be gone, but it was merely an anomaly that it existed at all.
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@Clone895 Things were worse overall prior to the second world war.
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It's nothing new. It is pretty standard to re-issue a book with the film poster or similar after a film version has been made. Some I remember are Dune, Blade Runner and Firestarter in the 80s.
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Also my discs are from all over the world, so I need a player that is not locked to one region.
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No change at all for you.
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Piracy, i.e. copyright infringement, is by definition not stealing. It has nothing to do with whether buying is owning. Although technically we've never owned any of what is called intellectual property. We had a license to a copy tied to a physical form. If anything happened to that physical form, including it simply becoming outdated and thus unusable you lost your license.
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Our library gets funded whether I use it or not.
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Can you cite some examples of someone stealing their content? I'm sure that kind of data breach and destruction of all the backups would have been big news.
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People would rather vote for oligarchs who promise to be business-friendly and tough on crime.
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The only piracy that fits the dictionary definition of stealing is the one that involves ships.
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I'm curious to know what stops someone from downloading the books directly to a Kindle, then connecting it to a computer and copying the files off?
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You probably read on a phone or tablet.
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It's the same with Amazon if you have made local copies of the files. We've backed up every book we've ever bought, many of them downloaded directly to the Kindle, then transferred to a computer. If you relied on the online copies of that music it would also be gone. The only difference is that buying DRM-free stuff makes keeping backups a bit easier.
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You were happy until now to only have them downloaded to your iPad. How were you going to lose all your books? In fact if you have been making regular backups of your iPad you have backups of all the books downloaded to the tablet.
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That's great until that DVD stops working, the book gets wet or the DRM on a game no longer functions. This is besides the huge amounts of space books and discs take up.
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If dictionaries were ubiquitous people could look up words.
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@DittersGustav Of course they're likely to remake them with different plots and even different characters. That's always been how it worked. What in history is true rather than being dictated by the survivors or victors?
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In a real 1984 scenario the all-powerful capitalist state would go house to house taking books and returning updated versions. Or perhaps they'd simply require you to bring them in yourself along with severe punishments for failing to do so. Either way not that different to the way humans have historically behaved.
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@pmc2999 Yes, but then don't try to read anything written before you were born. The meanings of words have changed.
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@Alexk4578 And yet conservatives are in general at forefront of wanting to censor, change and ban books.
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@CitizenMio Exactly my point. You will ultimately no longer be able to get the earlier versions. But at the same time a digital version is substantially easier to store, protect and replicate to an extent that billions of people could get a copy. Maybe hard drives will eventually become obsolete. CD has not yet and its been around for 40 years. Neither has MP3 and that's been around for 30 years. FLAC and AAC still work too. Both have been around for over 20 years. But it doesn't really matter because we can just move to a new format. I don't know what cassette formats you used, but we used the same one from the mid-60s onward. What version change is going to brick my device? Where do you keep backups of your physical books in case a disaster should happen? Or do you just have a secure vault at home for them? Dopamine hits are in that sense a myth.
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@thenellierose Good luck finding it in a physical book.
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There's no scrolling on a Kindle. What you do have is the ability to easily highlight text, so I just mark it while I'm reading. If I need to find something again later that I forgot to highlight the search is usually no worse than hunting through a physical book. Worst case I can recall what chapter I was in when I read and I can do a manual search as I'd have to do in a physical book anyway.
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Probably because once downloaded onto a phone the files are hard to access, so no need to register it as a device. I've always had to have a device registered on there to be able to get books, even to be able to download them to my computer. I've never used a phone to access them.
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Nice thing with ebooks is that not matter what edition you buy you can replace the cover with anything you like. Unlike print books where you're stuck with the current cover, even if it is the one that now advertises the film based on the book.
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We have physical copies of some games which no longer work because the DRM software is now outdated. Just put a Blu-ray into the player on the weekend and discovered the disc can no longer be read by the player. Already have numerous DVDs that just don't work anymore. Lost quite a lot of books to a roof leak once too. My point is that you need to backup and protect physical copies too.
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You can't transfer them by USB to the device you use, hence the message.
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You can continue to access them that way. This only affects people who download them to their computer outside of any of the Kindle applications or devices.
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@TAdler-ex8px You say that even while corporations are openly abusing the power they have. The absolute worst thing is to have power in the hands of those with a profit motive. They'll make the worst totalitarian government look like a bunch of cute pussycats.
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@konberner170 There's never been a country that is actually communist, so what might come out of one is pure speculation. On the other hand a substantial portion of research that leads to human progress is done by people doing it essentially for its own sake, so there is no evidence that private research and development is indeed essential.
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@thegorgon7063 What is just like 1984 is people making up a story about Amazon completely removing all editions of the book from their store and all Kindles.
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Well if you've ever considered piracy, i.e. copyright infringement, as stealing then you have changed the meaning of the word steal.
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Of course.
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@X24453 They won't touch it as long as the bill is paid.
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@AlaskaWRX907 It's only obsolete if Amazon refuses to sell you books for it. Is there any model where they've done that? My wife was still getting books for her 2010 model until it actually died a few months ago.
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I don't inherently have a problem with a company terminating someone's account if that person has violated the terms of service, but the company should be required to refund the customer's money. Of course you can easily backup all your digital books and we always have. It doesn't take much storage space. It's actually easier and safer than physical books. Technically when you buy a physical book, a CD, etc, you're getting a license linked to that physical copy. If anything happens to it your license is gone. Physical media comes with its own set of cons.
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@JustSomeDinosaurPerson They can just use one of our many backups.
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Just download them to your tablet. They're not disappearing from your account on 26 February.
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Microsoft has very rarely made older computers redundant. I've also never encountered any problem installing any software on a Windows 11 system. I'll run Linux on my server, but have no interest in using it as a desktop OS.
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